>>287508952
>anime secondary
>didn't even bother with Fate/stay night (2006)
https://vocaroo.com/1EzfSobb1iSf

>>287508952
you could have just read the vn and would have already been more qualified than 99% of /a/

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>>287508952
I love Rin.

>>287508952
Whats the point of avenger and other corrupted classes, is it because no summonings were correct starting from the third holy grail war? Whats the point of an incorrect summoning? Why do people from the church or similar participate if they just want to destroy magic? Will we connect to angel notes at some point? Why the hell did they want Rin to learn Baijiquan? Her dad being Christian and wanting to participate with Gilgamesh made no sense from the getgo, why? Why are there a ton of Chinese characters as servants now? Theyre cool dont get me wrong, and why was Shirahama allowed to create characters for fgo, knowing she is lgbt?

>>287509486
>why was Shirahama allowed to create characters for fgo, knowing she is lgbt?
[citation needed]

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>>287508952
>not even deen stay night
God damn you. You deprived yourself of best girl.

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lads, am I being too silly for being conflicted about playing fate/extra because of pic related? I know it's a different universe and all that but still

>>287509560
The only good thing about Extra is unironically the anime's visuals and soundtrack.

>>287508952
Let's see
>No Deen Fate nor UBW film
>No Last Encore
>No Case Files
>No Babylonia or Camelot films
>No Strange Fake
I don't feel like Moonlight/Lostroom counts since it's way too tied to fgo, but even as an anime secondary you are still lacking context.

>>287509560
This scene only feels like cucking if you pick Archer, otherwise it's just hot lesbian sex

>>287509645
damn I wanted to play with Archer but I guess that'll do

>>287509516
白浜鴎‍ look for this with the flag, she changed it but it appears

>>287509560
It's not really Rin, it's her bastard niece using her famous aunt as her moon cell avatar. She's actually a blonde.

>>287509516
Managed to get better proof: https://twiman.net/user/2952662411/illust

She changed it but it was there before

>>287509486
Don’t worry about it.

>>287509714
Wow, she's Ukranian as well.

>>287509720
Dont leave me hanging, i love the lore of the type moon verse.

>>287509735
She isnt but she has made drawings supporting palestine and she had the lgbt sign for a long time.

>>287509758
I mean, she had the LGBT and Ukranian flags. If her having the former means she's LGBT (instead of an ally,) then she must be Ukranian as well.

>>287509705
No I know but as they say: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, et cetera et cetera

>>287509774
Ok, youve got a point in the ally, the question is why was she allowed to work on fgo? And was it worth it?

>>287509827
>the question is why was she allowed to work on fgo?
Because they like her art?

>>287508952
I don't see the VNs anywhere in that list, redo it and come back later

>>287509849
Could it damage the brand? Or type moon in the long run?

>>287509878
How so?

>>287508952
Go play the VNs before posting here you fucking causal

>>287508952
quickly summarize kotomine's motivations and goals throughout zero and heaven's feel

>>287509970
This

>>287509916
Maybe since Japan doesnt like lgbt or similar stuff

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>>287509998
Type-Moon, a company known for being shy about those topics in particular.

>>287509970
Why did he took an interest in Kiritsugu as his arch rival from the first moment he knew about him? Since according to his goals he wasnt that important

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>>287509560
Play it.

>>287510028
Nero specifically was bisexual according to the information we have, and if its artoria then i take it as a reimagining of the character because he looks more appealing to the japanese market that way, and it worked.

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>>287509560
Just good ol' mana transfer.
I'm more conflicted and confused by this line from CCC.
What did they mean by this?!

>>287510070
>Nero specifically was bisexual according to the information we have
He was also a man. I don't think accuracy was actually a concern for them.

I dont like smthe saber class thanks to Artoria, shes too by-the-book good while everyone else is trying to get ahead, is the point of the assassin class to let any magi participate?

>>287509878
Dawg, she's the author of one of the best fantasy seinen ever. TM's brand is not hurting from hiring her.

>>287510090
I meant the real person, not the character in fate, which was fun to play with, but i thought she was artoria in the beginning.

>>287509970
>>287510036
In Zero Kotomine doesn't know what to do with his life because there's nothing that brings him joy. So he just jumps from one thing to the other without finishing anything, always abandoning his current objective. Similar to how Kiritsugu jumps from war zone to war zone without caring about his own life. This made Kirei interested in him.
In Heaven's Feel Kirei has fully accepted that he only finds joy in people's suffering. And now he wants to bring satan into the world to cause chaos under the excuse that any life deserves an opportunity to exist. He projects himself into Angra Mainyu and wants to see if someone like that can forgive himself once he commits all the evils he wants

>>287510119
>I meant the real person
I know. The point is that "it was like this in the original myth/history" in Fate is basically has negative weight. Not null weight, negative. That's how irrelevant it is.

>>287510108
I knew that, but is it that great?

>>287509486
Extra classes aren't corrupted classes, they're just classes you aren't supposed to be able to summon. They do have a purpose within the system but you aren't supposed to summon them as a master. Ruler is meant to be summoned by the grail itself, not a human master.

The grail being corrupted allowed anti heroes and impure heroes to be summoned, it didn't cause extra classes to be summoned. At least half of servants summoned in the 4th and 5th war should never have been summoned, they aren't pure heroic spirits, Gilles is definitely an anti hero.

Church is just there to mitigate the damage and asess the holy grail whether its legitimate or not, as a neutral entity they volunteered to make sure shit doesn't get too fucked up. Magic Assosiation and Church aren't friends but they do have a working relationship sometimes.

Rin's grampa originally wanted to reach the root with kung fu, he didn't care about magic at all. Zelretch thought he was cool and gave him a few magic tricks. The reason Risei and Kotomine know Bajiquan is also due to Rin's ancestor. The families have had a relationship for generations.

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Caenis:
>(All compassion one moment, the next she's... Huh. What's with this chick? Some kinda samurai thing?) Wait. The hell am I admiring her for!?
https://tri-hermes.org/Lostbelt/olympus.html#section-10-thou-art-the-ardor-that-corrupts-the-stars-iii

Sanzang:
>Whoa, whoa... Wait. Before you get up in arms about my outfit, maybe you should do something about yours? I mean, I can totally see your belly button in that. You're pretty much showing it off, right? And it really calls attention to how perfectly shaped your abs are. Almost like they've been carved out of rock. And that, uh, slit in your skirt? Are you aware of how sexy that look is? 'Cause it's beyond sexy. [...] Even with your navel on full display, huh... But isn't that a swimsuit underneath your– [...] She's telling ME what the Buddha would want!? That's some serious confidence! And what's more, it almost feels like...the gods have blessed her in some way.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230930053951/https://grandorder.wiki/Dead_Heat_Summer_Race!/Story#Team_Formation:_Raikou_Encounters_the_Monk_.5BDiamond_Realm_Edition.5D

Phantom of the Opera and Marie Antoinette have Siren Song which affect opposite-sex enemies, and can be improven to Shriek from the Palais Garnier B+ and Royal Melody B+, which do not make distinctions of gender.

>>287510135
The irony is that both had a wife and descendants to come back to, but wasnt Kotomine trying to find a way to cure his wife from her bone illness? That or cancer, i dont remember too well.

>>287510169
>wasnt Kotomine trying to find a way to cure his wife from her bone illness
No, you completely made this up. Kirei had a terminally ill wife who killed herself once Kirei told her he was never able to love her for real no matter how hard he tried to be normal

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>>287509645
Nah it was cucking no matter what, imagine Tamamo promises herself only to you, and you catch her willingly fucking other people five minutes later. Lesbian or not it was definitely cheating sex that Hakuno watched, and if you watch it play out, you know your servant was getting off to it. Rin even kisses you before she fucks someone else, and your servant says they only love you, before it gets revealed that they got really into fucking Rin/Rani and went above and beyond way longer than was necessary because they got into it. Whether you were into Rin/rani, or whether you were into your servant, you got cucked in both directions there.

You can understand Nasu's logic for how the scene happened in the first place, but you can also understand why it was wildly unpopular and its the only thing they promised to change in the remakes because of how it was received, because they turned Hakuno into a canon cuckhold.
Its probably why they went the other direction with it in CCC, trying to fix Hakuno's reputation a bit.

Tamamo explains the logic earlier in the game how you can skirt across T regulations by not showing too much, Nasu wanted to do a homage to Rin fucking Saber in Fate route as well, but he really didn't think it out enough.

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>>287510198
Back in the day; in older VN's they would have scenes where the heroine was raped by other men, and old VN writers thought the reader would find it hot no matter what as long as sex was happening, even if it wasn't the protag. Nasu has a very "old school VN" mentality which is very outdated with the current age. They legitimately can't understand why you would care whether its the protagonist doing it or not, they think all sex is the same, whether its the villain doing it or random goblins, for old VN writers sex is sex.

>>287510153
This is good, but i expected a bit more depth, what happened to the sisters from the third war? Luvia is a descendant of one of them, and the other? Kotomine did want to win the war? How would the wars have gone if the grail wasnt corrupted? Why is there no pushback? Is it the counterforce? Shirou in the clocktower made no sense for me, he left but why did he enroll? Go deeper with the magic association and church relationship please, the magic association doesnt seem to make any progress at all to reach the root.

>>287510198
>>287510241
It's just hot. They're both girls and they're already into you. There's no cock involved. It really doesn't matter

>>287510196
Ok i had it wrong, so she died, this was before the fourth war, right?

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>>287510196
The story hints that he does have feelings for her, just not in a way that matters.

What I mean is, whether he could feel love or not, he would never be able to recognize whether it was love, and even if he felt it he would receive no pleasure from it since his emotions are reversed to begin with, so even if he felt something, ultimately he could never recognize it, and ultimately it wouldn't matter.
However the fact he still ends up thinking about her, and the advice he gives Shirou implies he at least has some misgivings about the situation whether he admits it to himself or not.
Even the way he gave Karen up for adoption to not ruin her, even if it worked out terribly, in his own fucked up way was the closest he could get to showing her love. The way mats say that he gave Rin clothes that he wanted to give Karen, clothes that he thought would fit her, indicates he was still thinking about her.

The irony with Kotomine is that even if feelings exist he could never consciously understand them because his emotions are too warped to understand it, and they could never give him pleasure. So the thing he was searching for, even if he found it, it wouldn't matter.

>>287509486
>Whats the point of avenger and other corrupted classes
Each of the extra classes have a different reason for existing. Avengers manifested because of Einzbern family attempting to summon Angra Mainyu as a servant in the Third Fuyuki Holy Grail War changing how the Greater Grail works. The MoonCell one is all BB shenanigans. Those are the only 2 I'd really define as corrupted.
>is it because no summonings were correct starting from the third holy grail war?
While the Grail became tainted after the third grail war. I wouldn't say no summoning were correct. More like the rules got expanded/more lax. Like objectively Zero's were all pretty much summoned correctly, and some of F/SN's without spoilers.
>Whats the point of an incorrect summoning?
You'd have to focus this one more or give an example really but in the major instance of incorrect summoning, it's important to remember that Angra Mainyu being incorrect wasn't the point. They wanted it to be correct.
> Why do people from the church or similar participate if they just want to destroy magic?
The Church DOES NOT want to destroy magic, that's very wrong. They care very much about humanity and the Holy Grail. They have a vested interested in who wins, what wishes, etc, and have teamed up with the Mage Association before.They care about heresy not magecraft but we also don't know much about the church when it comes to the Fate side of the Universe, a lot of it comes from the Tsukihime side.
>Will we connect to angel notes at some point?
probably not, but there's also a chance given how Nasu likes to connect. V.V being Type-Venus means yeah she could show up in FGO but unless something new about Angel Notes comes out, it's doubtful but also Angel Notes was referenced in Carnival Phantasm
>Why the hell did they want Rin to learn Baijiquan?
We don't really know the specifics but Kotomine knew Baijiquan, he was her guardian. It's likely that Rin just asked to be taught self-defense.

>>287510290
Who was Karen given to? And why was her magic so gruesome?

>>287510336
I just remember the church sending executioners against vampires, Ciel being one of the best at it and going all Reeeee heretics but Kotomine was part of both groups and he wamted to win the grail, which didnt make a lot of sense to me, unless he was going to go against them.

>>287509486
>Her dad being Christian and wanting to participate with Gilgamesh made no sense from the getgo, why?
? what's the point of this one? Gilgamesh is pretty much a slam dunk pick for winning, if you have the catalyst for him. Why not summon him, he's the King of Heroes and the first one. You have to remember, unless you personally interacted with a servant from a previous war. You're not going to know what that hero is like. Tokiomi had no way of knowing Gilgamesh would be like that. Whereas Waver in any war that summons Gil post zero would be able to tell you about him.
>Why are there a ton of Chinese characters as servants now?
There's barely 30 out of 466. Given China's history, that seems like a fair amount.
>why was Shirahama allowed to create characters for fgo, knowing she is lgbt?
Stupid question really.

>>287508952
Start with the VN
Buy it on steam to support Nasu

>>287510398
As we watched, the slam dunk pick didnt really work out.

I thought they would go in another direction, is all.

I just found it curious if she asked to work with them or type moon asked, there were news about people buying the divine comedy in Japan just to know more about the characters she designed. The books sold out.

>>287510458
I mean it did work out, just not for Tokiomi. Gil and Kirei arguably won the war. Gil didn't come out of the gate betraying Tokiomi, it was his constant playing it safe that fucked him over. Gil's not a bad servant to pull if you handle him right. Tokiomi had no idea how to do that. Kirei did. It's why Kirei and him surprisingly work well together.

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>>287510431
not with that troonslation
takajun did nothing wrong

>>287508952
>no VN
you should have just watched 10 second tiktok clips and called it a day

>>287510546
Wath was the point of having touko in the ending, will they do something more with her and her sister? The movie will tell us how they both started out, but will they continue their stories at some point?

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>>287509136
Everybody loves Rin!

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>>287508952
What was your favorite show? What was your least favorite?
What was the best part?
Who's the best character? Who's the worst?
Did you read the VN?

>>287510616
In HF? She built a puppet body of Shirou to house his soul.

>>287510616
I assume you mean the HF's movie. Touko is who they got Shirou's new puppet body from. Mahoyo does deal with both of the sisters but Touko has a lot in Kara no Kyoukai, which I'd recommend. Whether or not their stories will continue depends if Mahoyo 2 ever sees the light of day. Tsukihime 2 will come out first (if ever) but after that, we don't really know what's next. I hope it'll be Mahoyo 2 since that's what Nasu really is interested in doing.

>>287510685
Ok, but will there be anything new with her sister and her? Or are they just fanservice characters at this point

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>>287508952
You didn't read the FSN VNs?
I gotta tell you man (and I'm not saying you're not a Fate fan, I mean I didn't even get to Zero or Illya. And your experience is valid) Ufotable and Deen were dog shit in their own unique ways. I just finished reading the VNs and watching the anime and was really disappointed with the anime. Ufotable's fate can't even be considered fate, it's some bastardized version that only has animations of fights of entities with no agency, character or humanity, and non battle scenes with puppets flapping their mouths soullessly without expression.
I give FSN (VN) a very solid 8, would probably have been a 9 probably but I can't be very objective as I was spoiled by basically every major plot point on /a/ and /v/.

>>287510431
But I don’t want to support Nasu.

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>>287510260
>what happened to the sisters from the third war? Luvia is a descendant of one of them, and the other?
It's implied that modern Tohsakas are descended from her. Due to the two sisters having terrible relationship, one of them went back to Finland, but the other stayed in Japan and married into the Tohsakas. This added to build up the current Edelfelt resentment towards Japan, the Holy Grail War ritual, and Tohsaka family in particular.

>>287510863
>Ufotable's fate can't even be considered fate, it's some bastardized version that only has animations of fights of entities with no agency, character or humanity, and non battle scenes with puppets flapping their mouths soullessly without expression.
the unlimited budget works meme was a mistake

>>287508952
Fate is just amwf propaganda.
>FSN has female king Arthur give her virginity to a Japanese high school boy
>Medea instantly forgets her marriage to the Greek hero Jason to get bred by a Japanese kungfu wobbly fist master
>Medusa gets wet thinking about Japanese dick
>Tohsaka ancestor implied to have married and impregnated an Edelfelt Sister from the 3rd Grail War
>Kotomine's white wife literally dies trying to fix him
>FZ has a prestigious German family hire a Japanese mage to impregnate their crown jewel, he also happens to have a devout assistant who happily serves as his stress relief
>FApoc has the queen of ancient kingdom fall in love with a literallywho Japanese
>FE has a Roman empress fall in love with a Japanese boy
>FGO goes hard with this, Japanese teenager/college student/shota is sought after by female knights, goddesses, witches, queens/empresses, etc.

>>287510863
I generally like the Fate shows, but this is correct.

>>287508952
>No Carnival Phantasm
Holy new

>>287510980
Are they cousins?

>>287510075
Mate is this some kind of shitty AI filter or are you playing on some weird ass settings?

>>287510039
>Tamamo
Tbf Hakuno isn't that much into her, seeing by how hard it is to even enter Tamamo's route

>>287510140
Yes, barring some minor pacing issues.

>>287508952
>I can finally call myself a true Fate fan
>never touched any of the novels
Yep, checks out!

>>287509558
I can't fucking believe Stay Night lured in me, and then the series was never as good as Stay Night ever again

>>287508952
>didn't read the two VNs
So you watched a lot of fanfics just to participate in discussions where you’re a secondary and don’t belong? What a waste of time.

>>287509758
Link to her Palestine art? I'm curious.

Taking it all into account since she hit the trifecta of big virtue signal trains of the last few years she couldn't just been trying to do just that. Did she have an online presence back when the: "I stand with Paris" crap was happening?

>>287509998
They're pretty chill about separating the art from the artist, especially in what I'm assuming was a freelance sense.

>>287510140
From what I've seen, better than Type Moon

>>287511627 here:
https://x.com/shirahamakamome/status/1744739999936073875

>>287511670
No, but it was the first time i saw a Japanese artist care about something international, which was weird, since they dont really care about it.

>>287511641
Wish i knew how to do this.

What happened to DDD?

>>287511725
dead, the remains were cannibalized by FGO

>>287511749
Understandable, pretty good actually, what happens if they retire? Theyve made enough money for that

>>287511556
Rin's small tiddies teheee eksde

>>287508952
https://youtu.be/ffE1-RTTpTE?si=aAP_Pc04BgmNenGl
Be like Richard, actually engage with the source

>>287509486
>be LGBT
>design a servant based on the chuddest Christian who existed

>>287509486
>and why was Shirahama allowed to create characters for fgo, knowing she is lgbt?
Rin is literally canonically bisexual, you fucking anime-only cunt.

>>287511169
With the HD Remaster Mod (apparently made by AI). It loses the "soul" of crusty PSP visuals, but I'm fine with it

>>287509698 >>287509714 >>287509758 >>287511627 >>287509758
Why does this upset you so much? Grow up, you fucking manchild.

>>287508952
Dumb secondary.

>>287509136
So does Shirou

>>287511085
They are. In one of the spinoffs when Tokiomi finds out that Zouken wasn't going to train Sakura as his heir like he promised, he sends her to her Finland cousins so they could train her.
I don't know if Rin and Luvia know they are related.

>>287508952
How do you feel about the fact that single most powerful character in fiction is Aoko Aozaki?

>>287508952
>didn't read the VN
you are not ready to participate in Fate threads

>>287514031
I think you have too much faith on the average poster

>>287514123
your average poster isn't ready either. that's why the threads are so bad

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Bane?

>>287508952
Delete the Prismaslop, trash series

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>>287514011

I enjoy how Extra sticks to the basic idea of information about your enemy servant being the key to victory and how Rhino 2 is the smartest master you fight against (if you save Rani).

>>287511400
Same, FSN Fate route lured me in, and then I liked Fate less and less

>>287509560
>>287510198
What is it with Fate and cuckshit, even the gacha does this kinda shit with every girl

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>>287517297
Fate is not a shy series.
Where a chinese gacha has a fragile audience that it would fear to anger or distress, Fate is purely a passion project that became a mega-hit by merit of its qualities. Yes, yes, smug anime react all you want, but whether the qualities are substantial or simply perceived, they're still the backbone of its success. It did not succeed from some kind of marketing blitz or from carefully curated designs by committee.
Following that, the artist's passions are paramount. Nasu loves tumultuous emotions. Death, fear, and loss are part of it. So yeah, that also includes teasing the player about the characters loves and bonds. It never really means anything; nobody's ever been truly cuckolded in all of Fate. Fate/Extra's mana transfer scene is the closest to it, and it wasn't made a big deal of because it was a girl doing it.

>>287517585
>nobody's ever been truly cuckolded in all of Fate
Saber's backstory (which is the most important in the VN), Diarmuid's... you might also count Rin dating other men in both HF endings even though it's not her route

TOHSAKA'S HOLE

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>>287511015
Yeah...
>>287511022
Same...

As a new fan I'm definitely just being a broken record of decades of Fate fans but it's really a shame that, for example, some people think "oh okay I should watch Fate/Zero then UBW then HF and skip Deen and Ufotable did a great job so I don't need to read the VN".
But I don't know why I'm getting all bothered over this hypothetical. Well, I sometimes watch reactions, tohoho... so that's the only reason, but regardless, I suppose there's no point in being affected by what others do.

Either way though we can all agree that Saber is cute!!!! Right?

>>287517776
Okay I more meant main characters, obviously there's going to be some stuff from mythology.