Thread #287518916
Volume 51
Sasuke vs. Danzo!!
Chapter 478: Sasuk'es Susanoo!!
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This is basically a redo of Sasuke overpowering Orochimaru's will but done infinitely worse.
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New Official art
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Uhhh…just a blatant asspull lol
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Done!
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so now you can touch someone and put a curse mark that you can activate whenever you want? that's convenient... for a panel.... and then ignored for the next of the series... this is Overpowered as fuck when you know shadow clones exist...
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Arigatou, OP!
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Fuck you
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THNX LEADER! That was fast
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Wish we actually got to see those two go at each other's
https://youtu.be/1aBqUNyN_Ko?si=X359GW2BDAYpZrcd
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absolutely based. If only he actually killed sasunigger here...
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Raiga was (sort of) canonized lol
>>287519655
jeez, why?
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I don't get why people keep insisting on this pairing.
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Because it would have saved us from abortion.
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He loved his brother so much, that he only tortured him a little bit, coma inducing brain torture style where he nearly died, 250,000+ times relieving the same scenes in a time chamber. and he killed those other innocent people who had brothers, but he did it... Because he loved you.
DEEP
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Danzo's boss theme:
https://youtu.be/Lr8EPMRN0rg?si=FlxXJEoA16aTCMgZ
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The Uchiha massacre would've made more sense if it had been the entirety of the the leaf village that just banded together to kill the Uchihas.
Several times throuout the story they mention how feared the sharingan was, so it'd make sense that enough people would want them all gone.
Itachi could've been someone who fought for the village, either out of loyalty or because he wanted to protect Sasuke.
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>>287520033
Yeah but then Sasuke would have a legitimate reason to want to destroy Konoha in its entirety, and Naruto would have to reckon with the fact that his home village that he wants to be leader of committed genocide against the tribe of his so called best friend. Narrow wouldn't be able to talk no justsu his way out of that one, he'd actually have to change the whole ninja system like he said he would.
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I like the theory that Sasuke had some evil genetic occurrence among the Uchihas, he's the one who went insane when that thing activated and murdered everyone in the clan and Itachi took the blame for it and made him believe with his Tsukuyomi that what happened is the version where Itachi killed them, for his sake and fled the village. Everyone kept that a secret. Then Orochimaru attacks the village for the secret Uchiha genetic power that only Sasuke has
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>Sasuke would have a legitimate reason to want to destroy Konoha
Not too different from the reason ended up having anyway. Also, people wanted to team up and kill Naurto himself back in the first chapter, and he didn't let that change him for the worse.
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Doesn't make much sense, since this power is never really revealed, unless you are talking about the sharingan, which we know others had it since Kakashi had it as well.
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>>287519942Vanilla genjutsu is just fake visions that fuck with your chakra flow making you feel pain/sleep or get mentaly tormented for days like the Tsukuyomi, Izanagi is a genjutsu (illusion) on reality itself but just for the user and for a short time, so he can like use it once, shoot himself on the head but then re-write that reality when the Izanagi ends, I just don't know how it would feel to die and come back while the jutsu is active tho
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>Colored first
>again
No no no no no no no no no no no no no
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>>287519135
The "ocular" part of "ocular jutsu" has been stretched very thin in part 2.
>Direct eye contact traps you in an illusion
>Things you look at with your special eye are destroyed by either unending flames or by collapsing them to a point
These make sense
>Pointing a finger at someone traps them in an illusion
>emitting chakra out of your whole body in a giant skeletal figure
>rewinding death and teleporting out of the enemy attack
These have nothing to do with your eye
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>Not too different from the reason ended up having anyway.
What do you mean? Him wanting to kill all Konoha citizens over a decision made by 4 boomers is far more retarded. He would've been far more justified in his actions if he knew all of Konoha 11's parents took part in genociding his clan or something.
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>>287519617
So many possibilities and we get the boring one becoming canon.
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Fuck off you obsessed retards
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>>287518972
She TANKED that meteor kick
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>hmph... female.
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>>287520865
This basic kick from Danzo is as strong as like 4th gate Lee
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>>287519829
Lord Seventh would never betray his wife. He is a noble man of faith and strong conviction.
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Beat me to it.
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ENTER THE MOST DOGSHIT OF KISHI'S PLOT JUTSUS
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>>287520904
Its humorous how you can tell Itachi's holding back just by his body movement orelse he would have kicked Sasuke through the drywall
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>>287520865
What would that kick have done to the Konoha girls?
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>>287518972
Now hold on though.
Way back when the explanation of taijutsu and ninjutsu was made, the idea was that taijutsu always expends the amount of stamina used, whereas ninjutsu requires you to convert stamina into chakra first, so shitters like Naruto and Sasuke back then wasted some in the process. This did not apply to Sakura, the one with good understanding of these basics.
Surely a top-tier ninja older than most known history who is also the fucking Hokage can do the conversion accurately?
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>>287518986
Maybe he felt guilty about the situation, its a very one of a kind situation after all, though he's saying it out loud just for fun
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>>287519204
Its actually a Tayuya upscale
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Something really annoying about this manga is that it really doesn't properly showcase the passage of time whatsoever.
Like, how much time has passed the Hidan/Kakuzu fight and the Pain Assault? Or between the Pain Assault and the Kage Summit? It feels like all of these events have an interval of only a few days between one another (or weeks at most), but Naruto has supposedly aged 2 years from the start of Shippuden to the end of the manga.
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>>287521016
>That kick legitimately busted some of her eggs
fortunately not all of them
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>KWAB...
>oh shit he's actually going to die
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True. Such a gentle kick.. He loved his otouto more than anything. The wrist snap was also super clean and quick to limit pain and complications while recovering.
I admit the comatose mind rape genjutsu was a little harsh but boys will be boys, eh?
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Boooo
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>>287521468
Itachi was just worried about damaging the hotel and didn't want to unless he absolutely must, the goodest boy
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>so now you can touch someone and put a curse mark that you can activate whenever you want? t
you have to be really really really good with curse marks. only Danzou and his student Orochimaru have demonstrated it (though Orochimaru needs to bite).
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how'd he do that with low chakra?
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CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
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>>287519347
>first kill Sasuke while blabbering about Itachi
>then go after Naruto and start making fun of Sasuke
Danzo is so fucking cool
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>O MY SUSANO'O
Sasuke was thoroughly mid diffed
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>>287519829
By giving as abortion with a different coat of paint?
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You can clearly see they are on his pocket there.
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>>287519001
>Danzo is already at full swing
>Tobi wants to interfere
Would he even be fast enough? His teleports always take like 2s at best.
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>Still full swing, maybe 2 inches away from his neck
>Instant susano'o
Shouldn't it take time to manifest?
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>>287521566
And Sasuke fans, you guys gotta remember nobody liked Karin back then, specially in Japan.
>Naruto gets the second most popular female in the manga
>Sasuke gets...a glorified parody of the main heroine with all her worst traits comically multiplied
Also, they don't care that much about genes when it comes to pairings so even saying "they will have powerful children!" won't matter.
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sasuke loves big foreheads
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I wish we got this Sasuke from here on out but the fucker literally just becomes a good guy in like 5 panels once the zombies come into play and his severe schizo mental break EVIL SASUKE Linkin park extrodanaire just disappears and nobody brings it up
Susanoo is gay as fuck but at least it going from hand to skeleton to archer as EVILSUKE keeps going more off the deep end is cool and is honestly the only cool use of it in the series
Really pisses me off that Sasuke doesn't go more and more off from here and be the ultimate villain, but instead just becomes a good guy again and kills Kabuto even though Kabuto is on his (Obito's) side and then after the war is resolved and bunny goddess is killed he just goes "lol I am LE EVIL FIGHT ME NARDO" but that Sasuke doesn't feel like this Sasuke at all. That Sasuke feels like the Sasuke before the itachi fight
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>>287519124
>Naruto
It feels wrong when he's referring Naruto by his real name, instead of nine-tails or whatever.
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>>287519071
How sick would it have been if the Hasirama face opened up and had two sharingans
Would have been an actual prelude and hint to the alien slop about to come, which if anyone outside of Madara would know about (which he didn't btw), it would have been Danzou
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Itachi is the problem here. As anons have said, he doesn’t have strong enough reasons to be evil. Itachi is the embodiment of good and wants Sasuke even in death to be good. Scapegoat Danzo is presented to him on a silver platter so he can have his edgy phase against someone who takes ALL the blame for the massacre.
You would have to re write Sasuke and Itachi from the beginning of shippuden, undo the Itachi retcon and make Konoha more at fault.
As for eyehax, i would have prefered if he was a true copy ninja (not like kakashi of maybe 4 jutsu’s)
Susanoo just comes out of nowhere and really fits Hyuga more if they had the favled Golden Byakugan
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I never realized that this fight introduces both of the literal cancers that ruin the rest of the series (hashi cells being NANOMACHINES tier explanation and the answer the every plot question in the entire series) (O MY NEW SHARIGAN IA-ABILITIES)
At least Sussanoo was expected due to Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi and all the lore. Izanami and Izanagi aren't part of that direct segment of the lore so I don't think anybody expected two more. Sussanoo doesn't fit eges either but as a "ultimate final boss" thing it's fine I guess. But lol wait there's actually two better ones LEMAO they also have arbitrary abilities needed for this exact situation LEMAO and really have no other use LEEEEEMAAAOOOOOO
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I guess bro, i guess
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Rawr means "I love you nii-san" in dinosaur.
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>>287520033
It would have made more sense that ANBU and ROOT killed them (possibly with Obito) and Itachi arrived at the scene after, and got blackmailed into taking the fall for it to protect Sasuke. That would have been the perfect way to do the retcon and have Itachi be blameless (for that at least), but it would have made Hiruzen evil so Kishimoto went with the bullshit in canon.
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here would have been a reasonable alternative for Itachi, just take child Sasuke and run away instead of slaughtering your clan. then you don't have to traumatize and mindrape him a bunch of times and don't have to give him the shittiest childhood imaginable which all together made him into the spergy school shooter he is now
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>>287523717
It such a shame this series is so low-test and sexless.
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My brain is broken
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>>287519167
How exactly was either of these done good or bad? Let alone "infinitely worse" kek. I'd actually go for the opposite way if there had to be one, I fucking hate how Sasuke just plot shielded his way through Oro and got freebies everywhere. Meanwhile he's actually getting his ass handed by Danzo, this is far more tolerable.
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He's not low chakra
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Susano is kind of instant most of the time we see it.
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>>287523499
Hashirama cells are only used to explain Obito being Tobi which is in itself far worse than anything the Hashirama cells could ever do. Other than that they're just used to make Madara even stronger than he was while alive, which isn't really crazy or anything considering Madara fucking solos the 9 bijuus the moment he comes back to life, meaning it's not about Hashirama cells but plot shield.
Izanagi is only used by Tobi to kill Konan which could have been done any other way.
I fail to see how these two, ESPECIALLY Izanagi, are "cancers ruining the rest of the series" when they're barely ever relevant (especially Izanagi). Do people just look at a random overpowered ability and decide it ruined 200 chapters even though it never did anything?
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We know, Danzo.
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I kinda like that Danzo dies right before firing up his strongest jutsu because he's still thinking about "Madara".
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>>287523717
>he was forced to take this down because boobs are inappropriate or something
>from the same manga with the harem jutsu
narusasu/narusaku fans are something else
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>earned
Sasuke got tons of random powerups at VotE, including not just 3rd tomoe but also O MY STEROIDS (second steroids power up)
Naruto managed to shit out 2000 clones against Gaara despite being a jobber up to this point
Choji ate a pill and got 100 times stronger
I'd argue Sasuke developing his Mangekyou Sharingan (a power that is explicitly based on emotions) and unlocking each power after getting used to MS in real battles and having emotional breakdowns.... is way more justified than any of this.
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I think it's more that Kishimoto has a bit of habit inventing overpowered abilities to solve a problem or to make someone more "powerful".
Like you said, why did he bother with Izanagi for Obito to kill Konan when he could have had him kill her in any other way? What's the point of almost every antagonist using Hashirama Cells? And the cells come up more than just Obito/Tobi and Madara btw, it's used for
>Orochimaru binding the Kages (except for Hashirama himself)
>Powering up the White Zetsu Army
>Yamato
>Danzo as you can see right here
>Madara getting Rinnegan, surviving long past the VotE, and making the clone of Hashirama,
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>Like you said, why did he bother with Izanagi for Obito to kill Konan when he could have had him kill her in any other way?
But you were talking about "inventing abilities"? Danzo already showed Izanagi.
>What's the point of almost every antagonist using Hashirama Cells?
That's literally the only way one could even ATTEMPT to rationalize 14 year old Obito being this strong and adult Obito tanking insane amounts of punishment. That's also the most sensible way to make Madara as OP as he is and it should have been emphasized more instead of making it look like alive Madara could pull off that shit too.
>Orochimaru binding the Kages
Wasn't it just Orochimaru being better at Edo Tensei?
>Powering up the White Zetsu Army
Zetsus are basically nature/mokuton related, it makes perfect sense to have that happen. And rather than Hashirama cells, it's really Yamato being used for that. It didn't change anything mind you, at no point in the story does a Zetsu pull off something that makes you go "wow, that's because he has Hashirama cells, otherwise they'd be toast". It's mostly flavor and giving a very little Yamato abduction subplot, inoffensive at worst, decent at best.
>Danzo as you can see right here
Which is fine and also needed for Danzo's Izanagi to even make sense. You know what's the issue here? The one that is being discussed when people aren't going on about buzzwords like "spam", "OP", "uchiha"? The fact that Danzo apparently had Orochimaru experiment on him. That is retarded and makes 0 sense with his or Oro's character. Why don't people ever bring that shit up instead of whining about OP magic?
>Madara
I prefer him sacrificing an eye to "survive" (actually revive) than slipping away somehow. The only issue here is that it makes it look like Sasuke could've used Izanagi to win the final fight.
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Fuu and Gaara love scene was PEAK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJU3qd1UeLs
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So he just did that?
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..won the tankiest waifu award.
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How does this attack compare to Kidomaru?
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Visually?
Kido's better.
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Yo Narsaku bro did you ever see this new content.
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I could to watch a season or two, always that you tell me that Hinata doesn't exist in it
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>>287524849
It lets you tank and attack multiple times for less cost
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He's not that low on chakra yet.
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No shit, that's a spread.
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>>287524451
Sharingan evolving through pain is itself an amazing balancing act. It's not possible to train for it. Under normal circumstances no person would ever reach the higher Sharingan levels without effort or suffering.
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>>287519365
because we were in need of another boring ocular jutsu.
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It's retarded how instead of him going "I have to preserve my chakra" and then the fight becoming harder because of it it's him going "I have to preserve my chakra" and then instantly, effortlessly winning, so the sentence only serves as humiliation ritual for Karin.
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Tayuya would have countered that kick
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>>287528725
Making money for Kishimoto by entertaining Japanese children and also connections. I mean, it's even in the last game's title.
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>>287528328
It's a very advanced curse seal applied by a master. You can surmise that Orochimaru learned curse seals from Danzou. Orochimaru's curse seals are fancier (granting senjutsu powers as well as carrying Orochimaru's chakra) but he has to actually bite the victim to apply them.
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>>287529224
My point is that they should have adapted all of the Naruto boss fights, not just half of them like they did... Especially for the big Naruto compilation game, the definitive edition one. Well they should have done more Boruto as well.
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>>287519135
How do japs react to all the techniques being named after their gods and stuff? If you lived in burgerland, it'd be like reading a story of the Wild West and the best sharpshooter technique being called "the Jesus".
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>>287529325
>achieving the Byakugo seal
How is it earned? She spent the entirety of Shippuden getting rocked before revealing "errrm akshually I was filling up this thing for 3 years and it's now available on the very last day of the war thank god!"
>Gaara getting stronger when he lost his tailed beast
How did he earn that? Emotional growth I guess? But he got that before losing the beast...
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>Sakura achieving the Byakugo seal.
That was an asspull. She nevers actively works to do that and came outta nowhere. AND it was pointless since Naruto and Sasuke got better healing abilities around the same time.
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>How is it earned?
Because it wasn't handed to her like every other power-up in the series and it's implied she had to work for it. Just because Kishi had poor execution doesn't mean she didn't earn it
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>AND it was pointless since Naruto and Sasuke got better healing abilities around the same time.
Doesn't change the fact it was one of the few earned power ups
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>>287529432
Sorry, the way it's portrayed matters. You can't just go out of nowhere
>hey guess what she was actually doing some magic shit offscreen all this time and it didn't show at all and she never used it and it finally finished at the exact right moment
and expect us to go "wow! truly a masterful depiction of training and earned growth!"
You can state anything. You need to show things in a convincing manner. He didn't.
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>Sakura achieving the Byakugo seal.
We quite literally do not see her actively trying to master it.
We just get told she was doing it off-screen.
>Lee losing the weights.
Not a power up.
>Gaara getting stronger when he lost his tailed beast.
How is that earned? Genuinely, what is your thought process for this?
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>>287529460
I mean, the entire war was a mess, full of asspulls and bad writing. Sakura earning the seal was a natural progression to her character. Unfortunately, her character development ended after the Gaara rescue.
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>>287529346
Not really. It'd be more like naming your move "metatron" or "Prometheus". America doesn't have a "God" the same Japan does as America doesn't have a history the same way Japan does. It's just an extension of European lore basically.
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If that's the theme, why are most relationships in the story completely unexplored and also why does half the story hardly relate to it at all?
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>>287529959
These are 5 main villains in a manga that really does not have that many significant ones.
>What is the point of most of the Akatsuki according to this theme?
Mysterious designated punching bags for most, with very few exceptions. Those exceptions tend to be also linked with connections. Pic related.
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Off-screen techniques only feel earned when they aren't that strong, it not have been given focus make sense.
Like, nobody is losing their hair because Neji and Hinata learned vaccum palm in the unseen years between part 1 and 2.
But if you're going to show something extremely hard on screen you have to make it believable that it's hard to accomplish or else people will just wonder why isn't anybody trying to learn?
That's the issue with a lot of shit Naruto learns, the pros are just too great for people to be turned down by the risks.
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>Oh fuck I have to save this shitter again
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Is naruto a bottom?
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