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Do any anons have experience keeping chibbens?
I'm getting myself some soon, I've built a coop complete with a little aviary and will be keeping four chickens in my backyard.
My yard isn't too big, the main part is about 40 square meters (400 sq ft), the coop and aviary are on the side of the house where there's another narrow strip of yard.
I won't be getting a rooster, the neighbors don't mind the chickens but surely they would mind getting woken up by a rooster at five in the morning (as would I).
The yard doesn't have grass, just some large beds with small trees growing there, I'm thinking of planting some greens there.
Would like to hear any experiences with chickens. I've read up a lot on the interwebs, but personal accounts are always interdasting.
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>>5112831
>come to /an/ to vlog about how a fox just attacked my birds and took the entire ass off my chicken but my dog saved the day
I piss on foxes and coyotes dude holy shit. They went hungry today tho.
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>>5112833
Alternately if you put roosts above the entrances to your lay boxes, they will always choose the higher roost bar.
>>5112831
Chickens are very easy if you have a basic tolerance for stock loss, but if you can’t bear the idea of them dying, you need more advanced biosecurity efforts and anti-predator measures and it’s pretty easy to go so hard in the paint that you make a simple thing difficult.
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>>5112834
Damn that's harsh. I heard a story here from around town where many people have chickens, they have one of those automatic coop dors that opens at a set time, apparently the fox figured out it opened up at the same time every day and just waited right in front of it to gobble up the chickens.
This is partly why I'm building an aviary, so that instead of something like that the chickens can just go outside the coop at all times and I'll just let them into the yard in the morning.
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>>5112836
I'm building an aviary right in front of the coop, I hope that keeps them safe from predators, but I get what you're saying. It's pretty common here for people to keep chickens and it happens every now and then that someone gets careless.
As they say hope for the best plan for the worst.
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>>5112837
There’s a high price to pay for free roaming freedom, I have huge geese and a sheepdog on high alert at all times, but they do have a coop they sleep in I lock at night, but I want them to have free roam of my yard and woods and shit.
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>>5112843
I'm indeed using hardware cloth, I'd read online that it's much better for some reason.
I'm also providing two roosts at different heights. I hope that's good enough for the birbs.
>>5112847
My idea is to let them out in the morning and put them back in the evening, but they'll always be able to go into the aviary (it's built in front of the coop and completely closed off on all sides), except in very cold weather when I'll close the coop door.
I don't expect predators during the daytime, I live in a village and there's buildings all around my house, no forest or open field nearby. There's actually a small pig farm next door. We do get martens around here, and foxes may also roam at night. But during the day there's too much going on for them to show up so I think the chickens will be fine in the yard.
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>>5113109
Should be. Hardware cloth is better than chicken wire because raccoons and other animals cant reach through and grab your birds.
If you check on them at night when they're roosting you'll be able to tell if they need any modifications.
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>>5112831
I'm a free range chicken farmer
Hens will still do a egg song so they could possibly be a noise issue.
If you got no enrichment they will get destructive. No grass, no foraging? Their gonna get into trouble. Mone have 2 acres and I still catch them finding Styrofoam to vacuum up
Don't ever leave a chicken around Styrofoam or foam board holy shit.
I'm a big hippie. I don't like when people just cage birds as egg machines in their side yard. You need to treat them well and treat them like living things. They are gonna need a shitload to do all day if your gonna coop em up.
Keep egg boxes tighter than you think.
Learn deep litter technique to save yourself alot of cleaning.
Have a plan for winter. They can handle temps but you still need to supplement heat if you have long stretches of cold.
I'd be happy to any any questions but just a heads up. I'm a autistic weirdo poultry farmer. This is how I live, it's not a business or a hobby
Here's1 of my roosters....of like....idk 4....either way here's his asshole.
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>>5112831
Quit looking at his butthole. He is shy.
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>>5112834
Why not just hunt em back? Look at this idiot.
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>>5113991
Your life is shit either way man...don't torture birds cause you can't tend em.
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>>5114036
>torture
birds are relatively unimportant and also dumb as fuck and filthy as fuck to match. people shouldnt have to ruin what little land they have and be guaranteed all other pets being too filthy to let inside to enjoy food self sufficiency.
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>>5114141
>the self sufficiency, good health and resilience of a human being, even that of a dog, matters more than the false empathy you have for an imaginary chicken that holds abstract values. the real creatures dont care about being in a sufficiently large pen. they are retarded. also, we eat them.
>DURRR SOMEHOW I GET FROM THIS: REPUBLICANS BAD KILLEM. FREE RANGE OR STARVE.
Even in the midst of the ww3 the world chose over listening to people like you, retards like you continue being walking “never vote blue no matter who” ads.
It does not matter how much you imagine chickens like being “free”. They do fine in properly set up pens. Space, shit to perch on and peck, they’re fine, its a fucking chicken dude. It’s for our own sustenance, for our own health, to keep us and our other animals away from a fetid disease vector and to keep our food source away from predation and its own plagues.
Imho, the fact that only humans with separation from the common dogmas and IQs 115+ are capable of understanding that self concern and concern for others and the environment are interdependent without descending into such ridiculous outgroup preference that man himself may find his real needs placed below the imaginary needs of a chicken, and even then remain prone to becoming xenophobic and parasitic instead, is solid proof this species is going to either go extinct or at least get kicked back to the stone age until this arrangement finally changes. And there’s no indication it will.
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I lost all 26 of my birds (guinea fowl, silkies, sapphire gems and buff orpingtons) in November 2024 to a combination of coyotes, foxes, stoats, a red tailed hawk, and a great horned owl took at least one too. Barn cats managed to kill three stoats since then, and I've shot 6 coyotes so far, but there are dozens more in the area. I definitely cannot bring myself to shoot at a raptor tho. I have given up on using my old barn, just because it's security is so shit. The chickens were super happy having a whole barn+hayloft to themselves and I was getting around 40 eggs every day, but I'm working on building a new, fully enclosed and atv-portable coop that I can just move around the yard every couple days, and insulate/heat more easily during the winter, before I get any more chickens. Won't be able to keep nearly as many, maybe 12, but they will be safe. I'd prefer to totally free range again, but there's just too many predators around, and I don't have the money for any major infrastructure upgrades, nor do I have any dogs yet. Once my daughter is old enough to care for dogs we'll get a couple, but i'm mostly focused on filling my pasture with wildflowers and beehives in the meantime. Fuck I miss those chickens tho. RIP Prince Fluffy Bottom, you were the best cock Ive ever known
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>>5114163
It triggered you. Like 4 paragraphs triggered.
Good food comes from good animals. You are a slop person who eats slop food with slop advice for a slop world.
>>5114215
If you can't keep animals you can't keep it. Its fine. Don't.
Do something else with your time.
A LSD is a game changer though, also you need to start just hunting back man. Sometimes I'm in the bed of my truck at 3am with a rifle.
Sometimes you gotta put some time in.
Me and my dog walk my property line once a week and piss on the inlets. I think I lose like 1 bird a year to a hawk.
But maybe you belong somewhere else.
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I have a small backyard and keeping only three hens and no rooster because of the city law. I built my chicken coop/run around a fruit tree and it works for me. It can get close to 120F where I live during the summer and the shade from the tree absolutely help keeping them alive. shit is brutal
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>>5114235
>duh muh slop
Eggs taste the same, meat tastes better, yard isnt a parasite/disease repository that smells like sewage, dog and cat can go in the house because they dont have chicken shit on them, dont have to worry about sticking to chicken friendly dog breeds, chickens never get killed, chickens rarely get sick…
Pen supremacy
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>>5114345
Eggs and meat both taste objectively better when chickens are raised on good pasture, and they are healthier for you as well.
You can spend a lot of time to keep an enclosed coop clean if you want healthy birds or just move your coop to fresh pasture every week or so. Birds have sensitive respiratory systems, so things like excess ammonia and dust will kill your birds if they aren't kept in check.
Good electric fencing, landscape with bushes and trees, and a good chicken dog will keep predation down to a minimum.
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>>5114350
I never said you should kill local wildlife and I will repeat that you should just build better fences if you have predation issues. Coyotes go into heat when they sense packmates have died. It does not help to kill them unless you kill them all(good luck).
A coop you don't need to clean all that often and one you can move to fresh pasture is far superior to a stationary coop in literally every way once you solve the predation issue.
Confining birds is only easier for those without adequate land and skill to keep birds outside. Those birds will have a less fulfilling and natural life, and produce worse eggs and meat. Fact.
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>>5114353
I did a taste test and pen chicken tastes much better.
Having acreage to rotate through shouldnt be a prerequisite for growing food and cleaning a gravel lined pen is absurdly easy.
>think of the birds
I dont even think fulfillment is a part of the chicken equation. They are retarded.
It’s part of the human one. Enjoy your delusional beliefs.
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>>5114358
Explain how penned chickens tasted better. My experience is exactly the opposite of yours. Pasture raised birds have far superior texture and flavor compared to non pasture raised birds. Even the cornish cross has greatly improved texture and actually tastes like chicken when raised on grass.
Chickens have great memory and enjoy a variety of activities only afforded to them when raised on pasture. You seem pretty retarded to be so ignorant of that.
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>>5114364
Because if your pen isnt that retarded, the chickens can still run and fly around. Mine is the size of a one car garage for ten birds. Animals go in the animal house. Not rocket surgery.
Honestly, if cats can be happy in apartments an even more retarded animal can do fine in a small house.
The chickens do not care.
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>>5114345
Rotational pasturing both improves soil and significantly reduces parasite load because the land is given a chance to rest. No chickens for parasites to infest? The parasites eventually die. You break the cycle by removing the birds from the infested ground.
Birds can be very hard on soil if they are allowed to stay in one spot for too long. Even very large non rotational pastured areas will experience soil damage and erosion around areas the chickens move through consistently. You move them to new, well rested areas, to stop this and what was once damaging the land becomes beneficial for it.
The manure is deposited in a balanced manner and allowed to breakdown, so there is no smell(if you smell ammonia your birds are suffering) and the soil improves over time. When the soil improves you get increased plant growth. When you bring the birds back to a rested section of land they have even more grass, bugs, seeds, etc. to consume.
A diet that isn't just gmo corn and onions means the meat and eggs will be more nutrient dense and have better flavor. True golden yolks come from the beta carotene present in plants and grasses.
Rotational pasture is the superior choice in all ways for anyone that has the land and skill to do it.
>>5114366
>You don't know chickens are happier outside!
>I know for a fact that chickens are totally happy confined to shit covered gravel!
Cope. You continually ignore my questions and cherry pick weak ass arguments. Do you even have dirt patches in your gravel covered jail so they can have dust bathes? Chickens use dust bathes to help control external parasites.
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>>5114345
They don't. Your taste buds have been destroyed.
You are a liar anyway. Not a single photo and all your posts reek
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>>5114382
I find it ironic that you think so highly of chickens that you think only the rich should adequately care for food producing livestock. Crypto gambler turned tradlarper or trust fund/fat inheritance hobby farmer?
These retarded things were bred to be kept in tiny cages. Trust me, a larger pen is the same as being free to them. They are retarded. All they actually care about is familiarity and routine.
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>>5114391
I'm poor and I free range just fine. If you can't keep chickens you literally shouldn't even have a dog. You are disconnected from the natural world.
Its fine.
Go play video games man. You are sitting here trolling and bragging about treating animals like a disposable commodity.
Do you have so little power over your own life that abusing a chicken makes you feel like you have some control? I think I'm onto something here since you're acting like only rich people can care for chickens.
Got a chip on your shoulder friend?
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>>5114391
>still cannot respond to any arguments
>still coping
You've already shown everyone how little you know or even care to know about chickens. I rent 10 acres for 400 bucks a month to keep my flock of 500 laying hens on using a coop I built myself, btw.
Here's a little test you can try. Simply open the door to your coop in the morning and see where your birds choose to go. Any guesses where they will go?
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>>5114712
>U CANT HAVE FOOD UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTRY AND FREE RANGE IT BECAUSE IN MY IMAGINATION IF I WERE A SUPER SMART CHICKEN ID CARE ABOUT HOW FREE I WAS! BUY FACTORY FARMED EGGS INSTEAD OF KEEPING A BIRD BRED TO BE RETARDED IN A RELATIVELY GIANT WIRE HOUSE IT DOESNT EVEN NEED AND CANT COMPREHEND THE SCALE OF
>t. A supposedly hyperintelligent monkey that rarely leaves its 4chan shack, rarely leaves a proportionally small area considering the supposed breadth of its comprehension, and has hobbies as engaging as “scooping up poop” and “taking pictures of its pets”
Zoos and aviaries must make you livid. But they don’t make birds livid. Birds are dumb. You are schizo.
livestock is just livestock
And you sound like you actually are aware this “traditional” larp is worse, more diseased, dirtier, lossier, less efficient, robs you of your own freedom, all in the name of sating an imaginary mind a chicken does not have. You’re coping with kneecapping yourself and living in filth. The sane are defending man’s right to produce his own food from the attacks of delusional ARA PETA retards that would rather man starve than a chicken not live how he personally would want to if he were one.
>oh no, the chickens live in an absurd amount of space for a chicken and are clean and safe from predation! oh no, you’re eating fresh meat and eggs on less land and can do whatever you want without worrying about dead birds or manure pits
Chickens will live in the pens and you will be angry, irrelevant, and likely punished for antisemitism since you keep whining about jews
>its da jooz hes a joo
Our white ancestors kept chickens in pens and invented factory farming. The jews ought to throw you in a cage for blaming them for treating livestock like a food source. They’re the ones who came up with PETA retardation.
>inb4 hitler
Kept financially afloat by the epsteins and financed by the rothschilds. Go be a nazi somewhere else.
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The funny part about this argument is that chickens are happier in a regularly cleaned pen/run with adequate enrichment and apace than they are in a big ass field of nothing. Zero need for their prey survival instincts.
Free ranging is actually a cope for having more birds than you can directly tend and not having the money for a well built barn sized run or the time/employees to clean it. Chicken tractors are a cope for being bad at free ranging. Going around a shed or garage sized gravel patch over natural dirt with a big litter scoop takes 10 minutes and guarantees less contact between chicken and turd than they would have in chicken tractors or restricted but still less secure pasture. Also more freedom of movement than they’d have in chicken tractors. Not sure how you’d clean up after 500 birds in a barn all by yourself.
The work with penned chickens is just more complex. It takes less time and can be skipped or delayed without consequence but you have to keep track of more small tasks (including separate manure composting and a mealworm farm at the high end) so I can see why low IQ individuals such as antisemites might be intimidated. If you’re dumb enough to blame jews for your problems taking care of a bird domesticated in an 85IQ pre-industrial jungle country is definitely too much for you. Nazis are not renowned for their intelligence.
A quick recap of antisemite brilliance:
>das white race vil defeat ze jews
>*holocausts random shoemakers and math teachers, pardons elite bankers that actually helped cause problems for jews and gentiles alike*
>*invades the russian empire which is whiter than them and loses half the country*
>oh scheiss the jews made me do this
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>>5114742
I'm not writing an essay to respond to how stupid and bad faith your entire essay was when you fail to address a single point I've brought up.
You dont really understand the difference between a commercial poultry/egg operation vs a guy with 5 chickens, and I never brought up anything about jews.
You're also confusing multiple posters for one.
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>>5114750
No one was ever talking about commercial factory farms other than the one pointing out that everyone seething about jews abusing chickens was retarded because factory farms are a white invention
This was always about keeping chickens in a large aviary instead of free ranging them, or doing that retarded chicken tractor thing, and cletus mctrustfund up there telling everyone
>you just shouldnt have chickens
>you belong somewhere else
>you’re not in touch with nature
As he shoots at nature and has an outdoors-only killer mutt because he cant figure out how to erect a pen for some artificial avians
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>>5112831
>How do I keep chickens?
>>5114737
>A quick recap of antisemite brilliance:
>das white race vil defeat ze jews
>*holocausts random shoemakers and math teachers, pardons elite bankers that actually helped cause problems for jews and gentiles alike*
>*invades the russian empire which is whiter than them and loses half the country*
>oh scheiss the jews made me do this
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>>5114754
The argument started for me because of this post >>5114345. Basically everything he said is objectively incorrect if you have the IQ to maintain your land properly.
You're still confused about the people posting in this thread. I never said any of those things.
And just so you know I built this exact coop >>5114370 for my rotational pasture laying flock. You know how to weld? The project required about 10 hours of stick welding to build the rails that the entire coop is built on.
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>>5114764
Its objectively correct. A regularly maintained enclosure does in fact keep chickens safer, cleaner, away from open sewage (aka rain anywhere they’ve been) and ironically gives them more space and enrichment than your trust fund hobby project. It also keeps other pets away from chickens and their manure so you can have a dog as a pet or pest control, or to protect goats chickens be damned… i’ve seen retards here with chicken dogs laughing about how their GP only kills a chicken when they’re excited or stole all the eggs and think - wow, what a retard, i’m glad I have my chickens in their own garden of eden instead of in a chaotic mess like that goy.
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>>5114765
A well maintained pasture is going to provide far more benefit to chickens than a well mainted pen with a gravel floor. Chickens need various types of soil/dirt to keep themselves clean. You call a grassy field with shrubery nothing, but it has just about everything chickens need for enrichment and it provides a more varied a nutritious diet.
Rain is a non issue with adequate coop and ground that hasn't been grazed bare. The grass prevents mud from building up quite well.
The coop I have keeps the dogs from eating 98% of the eggs because most of the birds lay inside the coop that the dogs can't get into. They kill no chickens and keep predation down to an absolute minimum, maybe even zero.
I keep my birds in an area using 3 150 foot electric fences. They have a huge amount of space and their coop is over 500 sq.ft with 10 spans of 32 feet for roosting.
Is 2000 eggs a week just a hobby? My eggs are being served at restaurants and they're selling really well in a supermarket, and I have loyal customers that come back every week to buy eggs at the farmers market.
I'm getting another 500 birds on tuesday. Hopefully 4000+ eggs per week will pass your "just a hobby test". Lol
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>>5114777
Chickens do better on well maintained pasture with a good coop, predation countermeasures and live more natural, healthier lives. Their meat and eggs are both objectively higher quality.
My birds are healthy, happy, and they wouldn't be providing me with so many high quality golden yolked eggs if I wasnt caring for them all properly. :)
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>>5114778
They literally do better in a pen, especially an oversized one with a chicken jungle gym of shit to perch on
And when they are the animals that matter (ie: people) are less burdened and don’t need acreage for the imaginary well being of theoretical smart chickens
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>>5114779
>no grass
>no bugs
>nothing to scratch
>no dust baths
>minimal sunlight
>not a lot of space
>constant battle with dust
>repressed immune system
>lots of maintenance
I have a chicken pen I keep important breeding stock in. Guess what they do when I open the door for them in the morning? They all run outside to scratch around, take dust baths, lay in the sun, and eat bugs/plants. I've got enrichment stuff in there for them, but they still choose to go outside every single day.
All youve done is say "No, Im correct just because, okay?" Very intelligent argument lol.
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>>5114788
>wait you mean your regularly cleaned sand and gravel over soil pen that’s protected from rain and includes enrichment, excessive space, daily refreshed water, and a controlled food supply is GOOD for the most retarded bird on earth?
Yes goyim the picture was an example. I don’t use leaf litter or deep bedding like some people. The pen is large enough to have dedicated bathing areas. The chickens dig up whatever dirt they need. They live in ze pod and are happy.
I leave it open while cleaning and if they slip out they walk in circles trying to get back in.
It takes some real chutzpah for you to shill your disenhoused roving roof roost to me goy
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>>5114793
>still does not understand the argument is about a well maintained pasture system vs well maintained 100% enclosed system
>jew obsessed
Are you making it a point to demonstrate how stupid you are after consneeding? Kek
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>>5114801
>needing acreage to avoid maintaining a basic enclosed system
>higher disease burden
>has to kill cute yotes
>i am jewish your petulant nudnik
>or am i?
>only in your schizo delusions
Chick pen chad will forever live in your head rent free
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>>5114808
There’s no argument because you lost the argument. You’re clearly some yuppy with dogs for kids.
>2026
>a bunch of city kids parents and grandparents died in a bioweapon leak
>bull market double top
>inheritance and casino winnings out the wazoo
>buncha seatac spokanedalene portland norcal city kids flood into the skillet state and buy cheap, easy land
>ski resort wannabes from helena even
>the world is inundated with west coast hobby farmers with PETA leanings, seething at penchads well contained chickens
Sad!
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>The Chad Hen Warden
>might clean up and refill things today, maybe tomorrow, can always make time for real life
>owns a borzoi, a husky, and a pitbull, no chickens eaten, no chicken turds eaten or rolled in either
>chickens never get sick
>great tasting eggs and meat, never too gamey
>no eggs stolen by the dogs
>eggs always organized and easy to find
>never killed a canine in his life
>raptors are his friends - no rodent lives more than a day
>unacquainted with the smell of stagnant water mixed with chicken shit and soil
>never had a chicken die of anything but old age
>clean and orderly property
>fly control is localized and effective. what bugs?
>doesn’t need extra acres for regenerative memes, chicken scoopings, yard waste, and occasional feathers, bones, and blood support DIY fertilizer production
>refers to the pen as alclucktraz, ze pod, and the cluck shed
>has funny hentrance and eggxit signs
>if he dies the chickens will eat eachother instead of him
>the virgin free ranger
>beholden to the imaginary opinions of a chicken
>cares a lot - chicken doesnt know or care, would break into his house and eat him if he passed out
>no free time, rarely leaves the farm
>has lost chickens to dogs (including his) and wildlife
>fights to maintain vast swaths of pasture instead of just building a shed with wire walls
>shot coyotes, felt horrible about it, had nightmares about shooting his dog
>seethes at birds of prey and other cool wildlife
>pretends the farm cat does something, knows it doesn’t
>dog steals his eggs
>flies and sewage puddles everywhere
>entire property stinks all the time
>dogs stink all the time
>drags a chicken tractor around not knowing its just a worse pen
>thinks grass is magic chicken food yet never thought of mowing the lawn and giving clippings to the birds
>ya’ll cowards don’t even farm mealworms
>smells bad
>>5114817
Aloha snackbar!
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>>5114843
>retard still doesn't understand what well maintained means.
500-1000 chickens will smell like chicken, yeah. It only really smells bad if you let the manure build up. Just like... an enclosed coop! The only difference is that ammonia build up and dust are significantly lower with a good pasture coop like the one I posted.
Don't you have some chicken shit to shovel, penlet?
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>>5114855
Now we’re back to “noooo you cant keep chickens at home to feed yourself you need to spend $4800 a year because uhh FULFILLMENT”
And also back to chickens not giving a fuck about a sufficient enclosure (actually sufficient, not keep em alive for a year sufficient) because chickens are retarded
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>>5114858
Never ever said that. You're just making shit up for the one hundredth time. Pasture is simply the superior choice if you have the space and proper predator deterrent strategy. That's all I said.
Even if you think chickens are retarded and only have them for meat and eggs a pasture system produces much higher quality and nutrient dense eggs and meat. This is a fact backed by legitimate studies.
The chickens I have on my property are making me money. I keep them happy and they provide me with eggs to sell. I have automatic waterers setup(plassons, you should get one for your pen they're amazing), so I go everyday to collect eggs and feed them their daily food ration and give the dogs their food, 30-45 minutes. Every 7-10 days I spend about 2 additional hours moving my electric fences and then the coop. I sell cases for 120 dollars each and then dozens for 11 dollars on average. My chickens produce around 2500 eggs per week, or 14 cases. We gross nearly 2k a week from 500 laying hens. 1 ton of organic feed is around 750 dollars and lasts 8-10 days, which is our main expense. A conservative estimate is around 1k a week in profit on eggs only, and that will go up to 2k a week once we get 500 more chickens next week. Egg production reduces to about 35-50% productivity in the colder months, so it reduces yearly income, but it's still pretty good for the amount of work we do, and we can at least break even if the weather is particularly shitty.
Add 1000lbs of heirloom breed organic meat birds sold for 6/lb every other week on top of that and you're making a comfortable living off raising chickens in a humane and environmentally friendly way. End game shit for any true chicken enthusiast imo.
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>>5114873
>extreme seethe
Oh you are just a loser troll consolewarsfagging about chicken coops. Impressive and hilarious. Too bad you couldn't muster up a single good faith reply in our exchange.
Hope you learned something today, angry little guy. :)
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You guys are argueing with a Israeli.
He can't say am yisrael chazirim.
>>5114828
Reported him for trolling but I guess that's allowed here now.
So
Am yisrael chazirim. Am yisrael met.
You can't say it ROFL. All you can do is seethe
>>Hisssssss aloha Muslim hissssssssss
Rofl. Everyone else gets 6 paragraphs and I simply get hissed at
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OP here I'd forgotten about this thread and the shitflinging has been absolute cinema but you can all stop being gay now.
I'm getting my chickens next week and I'm really excited. Got everything ready, the other day I left some meat in the pen as bait to see if a fox or marten got to it, and they didn't so I'm hopeful that I built it well enough.
I won't be doing deep litter because my coop is wooden and it's elevated on stilts, so from what I've read that's not good for deep litter. I also have a poop board under the roosts, so that should help catch most of the poop.
I'm using both pen and "free range" (it's just a shitty little back yard). The pen will always be accessible, and I'll let the chickens out into the garden during the daytime. I hope that with only a handful chickens the poop in the garden won't be an issue.