>>24223026
>tranime pic
didn't read

>>24223028
What did you expect me to use? There are already too many frogs

>>24223026
>Do you think that our entire personality and tastes are simply a product of our experiences and the traumas we’ve gone through?
Yes. It is also the result of our socialization

>>24223026
If you take biology seriously it is obvious that we are to a large extent a product of our environment.

>>24223030
something i like

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>>24223026
You’d be a different person if you lived a different life, but I don’t see how that means souls don’t exist.

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>>24223026
>Do you think that our entire personality and tastes are simply a product of our experiences and the traumas we’ve gone through?
not really
your behavior might become dictated by that temporarily, but (You) are not your raped brain or your raped body
and yeah systematic trauma over years can make people into golems but it's unnatural & not them, they'd slowly return to their proper forms, if disfigured, once the trauma stopped
>this makes me think that we don't actually have souls, and maybe you're an incel loser because they programmed you that way, and it really isn't your fault
those are three completely different lofty statements
- we don't have souls
- you're a loser because you were programmed
- it's not your fault
i'll let you guess what i think about each one

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>>24223026
Yes but also no because God gave you freewill to choose

the brain adapts to environment, for better or worse
it can work for you or against you
it can adapt to trauma or good conditions

but (You) can decide whether to be conquered by your brain or whether it will be subordinate to you, an example is people who overcome drug addictions vs people who let it take them
and this is why i hate "you ARE your brain, everything is nothing, you're a byproduct of chemicals" because regardless of how literally true it is, it tends to make people let go or submit themselves to an ORGAN which is EXTERNAL to their real self
you're not your brain, you're not your dick, you're not your nose for powder, you're not your emotions, you HAVE these things but you are not them

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>>24223052
>but I don’t see how that means souls don’t exist
because that means that essentially there’s no difference between you and a retarded nigger and everyone else, so there’s nothing that makes you who you are, the concept of a soul becomes unnecessary

>>24223077
>essentially there’s no difference between you and a retarded nigger and everyone else, so there’s nothing that makes you who you are, the concept of a soul becomes unnecessary
do you see how this carries something submissive/nihilistic to it, even though unstated?
it's dangerous, man

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>>24223077
You could grow up in the exact same environment as a retarded nigger and come out of it completely different than they did. What would be the difference maker then? Why would you come out different under the exact same circumstances? You can't control your environment but you can control your reaction to it.

>>24223084
How is that nihilistic? I didn't say anything about the value of life or anything like that, I just said that if everything we are is due to our environment, then a soul isn't necessary

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>>24223093
So I’m not a different person after all, I’m just the same person reacting to different events, but in the end I’ll always come to the same conclusion

>>24223077
Do you oppose such "programming" or is it par for the course?

>>24223094
>I didn't say anything about the value of life or anything like that,
If it's all predetermined it doesn't matter, right? Par for the course, we were meant to be ruled like animals, there was no other outcome.

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>>24223099
I'd say reacting to the same thing/situation as somebody else in a different way is what makes you different.

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>>24223107
Cope, you have no soul loool, how do you know that reaction isn't also fabricated ?

>>24223101
I don't know if such programming exists in the first place

>>24223106
>If it's all predetermined it doesn't matter, right? Par for the course, we were meant to be ruled like animals, there was no other outcome.
Of course it matters, but if the environment is what decides who we are, what makes us different from animals that act on instinct?

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>>24223128
Because otherwise everyone would have the same reactions, yet people are different. What ultimately makes you different is you, not just the environment you were born into, although it does heavily influence you. Nothing can take away from the choices you make, and that’s what gives you a "soul," or whatever you want to call it. I don’t really believe in God or anything, so I’d say it’s more about free will or something.

>>24223128
>but if the environment is what decides who we are, what makes us different from animals that act on instinct?
It doesn't, so why do you think your predetermined animal life has value? Because you feel good sometimes?

OP speedran the atheism to determinism to moral nihilism to antinatalism to suicide pipeline.
RIP.

>>24223026
Too dumb to look into identical twins separate adoption studies? Tldr: environment has almost no impact on how you become as a person or perceive the world. It's all genetics.

>>24223035
>>24223039
>>24223052
>>24223070
>>24223074
>>24223093
Wrong. It's all genetics.

>>24223251
Thank fuck.

>>24223093
>n*gger
grow up

>>24223077
>>24223093
>n*gger
grow up

>>24223336
>>24223337
Oh shut the fuck up you obnoxious faggot

the first time ive seen an inabakumori fan have a coherent thought, also read camus

>this makes me think that we don't actually have souls, and maybe you're an incel loser because they programmed you that way, and it really isn't your fault

While i do believe that personality and etc are pretty much determined soley on your enviornment, you still have the choice to pull yourself up from being a chudcel white supremacist loser. Humans still have free will to a point and you still have overall control over your own life

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>>24223337
Shrink down grandpa

>>24223256
what if you raised one normally with love and care and beat the shit out of the other one every single day?

>>24223041
not important

You're so smart

>>24223030
Why not cirno, she's cute

>>24224886
Identical twins who where separated describes their upbringing very similarly even though they were objectively very different. If you have identical twins grow up together they will chose to differentiate themselves from their twin. If they grow up separately they become extremely similar. It's a survival strategy not to be clones in case whatever they do is shit then both fail when they grow up together. There's loads of studies on this. Socioeconomic factors does not exist, it's all genetics.

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>>24225005
What if one of the twins gets brutally molested every day for a decade? Would those Socioeconomic factors exist?

>>24225012
Go do the dishes and cooking instead woman.

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>>24225041
Think I'll let the dishes pile up and rotmaxx instead

>>24225005
im not disagreeing with you, atleast not that much, i aknowledge that genetics is king as the most deterministic factor, i just humbly suggest that enviroment can play into the development of a human being to some extent

>>24225080
Unless extreme it's minor. Sorry to pop your balloon. You're a meat machine.

>>24225103
sorry to pop your balloon popping balloon but ive been under the impression that human beings, and all other animals for that matter, are simply vehicles for our genes to reproduce, nothing else really matters

>>24225103
>>24225113
of course i forgot to include the timeframe
since i was like 12

>>24225113
The lack of popping is concerning. Carry on and make your own mix of meat machines, they're a lot of work but great fun. I have two so far.

>>24225120
>they're a lot of work but great fun. I have two so far.
i imagine they are
>Carry on and make your own mix of meat machines
if i amass a sufficent amount of shekels ill consider it

>>24225120
>I have two so far.
also congrats on the little meat machines, i hope they bring you as much joy as they are a bother

>>24225136
>shekels
Ah yes, some of that is needed. I suggest you start hanging on /biz/. I live like Ingvar Kamprad but so far I've amassed 10 million and don't even use my whole pay check even with a stay at home wife and 2 cars. Renting is definitely suggested in our communist heaven.
>>24225140
They are definitely worth everything in my life, although I'm chronically tired. Hoping to have my first day off in 4.5 years soon with a baby sitter in the summer. These days I try to do as little as possible outside house chores, work and playing with the kids. I would go to the gym if I wasn't chronically sick from their germs.