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does this count?

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Is this too revealing for SFW?
I mean, are boy buttocks NSFW at all?

>>4004958
Not NSFW. No one cares if a boy shows ass.

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>2 boys crossdressing
>one is notoriously more feminine than the other and has clearly coerced the other
there needs to be more of this

When did people start calling bishies traps and decrying actual traps as "draw a boy call it a girl"? Are they just that afraid to admit they're attracted to something that's not feminine?

>>4007558
>"draw a boy call it a girl"
Meant "draw a girl call it a boy"

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>>4007589
cute

>>4007591
Why would Santa do this?

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>>4007558
That sounds nice
There’s no feminine male thread so I’m guessing type B is allowed?
>>4007559
> >"draw a boy call it a girl
Based?

>>4007654
I'm OP and I'm fine with anyone somewhat androgynous being posted.

>>4007654
I love Case B so much.

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>>4007730
When you think about it, Anyone on A is likely deranged while B is more likely to be based

>>4007742
Because A only exists in porn and meticulously scheduled Grindr meet-ups while B is something you'd see in real life. A is only appealing to the porn-addled lizardbrain

>>4007654
Type B is like 90% of traps, most secondaries who do not know the characters outside of gelbooru posts think otherwise.

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potya2929

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i wish she drew/uploaded more

>>4007654
I'm personally fine with more androgynous traps. But fans of them have some sort of superiority complex claiming things like "you don't actually like traps" or "it's just a phase and you'll move on to true traps" if you like girly traps

>>4007859
does B exist irl? I don't think I've ever seen such a thing

>>4008081
I knew a B in high school.

>>4008082
what was he like? did you know him well? are these types common anywhere?

>>4008098
I didn't know him personally, I only saw him around and thought he was cute. He was some flavor of south East Asian, he always wore a beanie no matter the weather. He was the only boy in a friend group of girls.

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>>4008100
uoooh sounds cute

>>4008158
It hurts to remember.

>>4008166
yeah I also went to high school with a boy or two who I thought were kinda cute and I can't help but wonder what could've come of that had I not been, well... me

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>>4007859
Type B getting memed into dressing like A tho

>>4007979
This board and other (traditional, if it makes sense) cute male spaces have adopted a very anti-trap posture as a tranny gatekeeping measure, I understand them.
"femboys" have become a very reddit and tiktok thing which most people simply associate with the worst trends of LGBT shit. "Traditionalist" trapfags also hate the term femboy.
Mostly as a response to the Bridget tranny thing and other happenings, trapfags have fluctuated to the more boyish sides of their beloved characters. It's also got to do with the times, many just came to terms with their homosexuality.
And well nobody wants to be associated with trannies nowadays.

>>4009233
The internet is in a sad state. I'm glad that we're still mostly sane on this board.

>>4007654
Case A never happen irl
Case B are usually 14-17 year olds

>>4009233
>many just came to terms with their homosexuality.
Feels like more of them came to terms with their heterosexuality/bisexuality with a pref for women.
All of the old head trapfags just do straight trap art now, doppel, dross, itla, krekk0z

>>4009472
>straight trap art
>Straight
>Trap

>>4009472
desu they are appealing to the overwhelmig tranny majority crowd who like trapxfemale. those do not really care about their characters as much as autistic trapfags in 4cheng and obscure forums do

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>>4009233
>tranny gatekeeping measure
What are you talking about
The anti-trap sentiment has always been there, separate from the anti-tranny sentiment. I should know, I've been on that "don't draw a girl and call it a boy" shit since Obama was in office.
The anti-tranny sentiment is a separate thing and merely co-opts anti-trap sentiment. The fundamental impetus for those single-digit IQ morons claiming all trap shit is trans shit is their extraneous political antipathies which they compulsively keep shoving into every thread
>most people simply associate with the worst trends of LGBT shit
Ironic, since the whole Redditor femboy trend era was an extremely straight male phenomenon.
The real problem with trap shit has fuck all to do with the LGBTs and everything to do with straight males: the vast majority of trap art I've seen was so obviously designed to appeal to people who would only ever fuck dudes if they were made-up so heavily that they didn't look like dudes. It felt like an intrusion, quality yaoi being crowded out by heaps of low-effort, often grotesquely bad trap content catering to straightoid tourists looking for cheap sexual novelty.
Most of the time, crossdressing art was only appealing if it was made by fujos on Pixiv and Tumblr because those girls still wanted to see a guy under that summer dress
>>4009517
Not the oxymoron you think it is. Trap content caters less to the boykisser demographic and overwhelmingly more to the much larger market of "I'm not gay ... but."
>>4009472
Fascinating process, no? I think what's going on is that they've "discovered" women the way straight guys "discovered" traps.
That's kinda what happened with me. I like ___, and imagined his alternate universe girl version in a position I normally put boys: being violated by a mob. And I thought ... damn, is she hot?
And that's how I memed my way into bicuriosity

>>4009517
Most of them are straight now though

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Who cares? traps are gay, Aniki said so. Post cute fuckable traps now.

>>4009543
>you gotta be a REAL gay man into MANLY men like me or you are straight
Nigger kys with this shit.

>>4009575
You yourself as a trap enjoyer may be gay or bi, among many other queers. I myself have developed an appreciation it over the years (in spite of trap content's annoying tendencies).
But it's undeniable that the lion's share of the trap content audience is inevitably gonna be guys who otherwise identify as straight just by the fact that they outnumber everyone else and the whole concept went mainstream on the internet some time in the first Trump administration

>>4009630
>>4009575
>>4009543
You guys need to go into timeout, ok?

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i thought i was the crazy one
anyways, yeah anti trap sentiment has always existed, mostly against draw a girl call it a boy.
it was mostly the purely loli moeblobs hated though (and loved on /a/), now people throw an autistic fit over minimally androgynous dressing characters.
>>4009575
i bust it to gayboys who get wet because of men

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All trap hate should just die. If you don't like it because "lawl it doesn't look male at all" then shut the fuck up and ignore, no amount of cope will make the character not male and a gay thing.

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I don't understand why bifags get salty if people call them straight for liking traps. You're bi so you're basically straight.
Why would you want to be associated with homos over straight men since most of them like hairy man ass and muscles?

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>>4009671
>>4009711
You wouldn't get it.

>>4009711
Absolutely yes, liking cute boys is only as gay as you are

>>4009820
Straggot cope

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Do not respond to bait.

>>4009853
Are you referring to me, or the straggot?

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>>4009853
There wasn't bait here at all.
>>4009844
>>4009860
Chill.

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>>4008081
I don't know, but I can believe B can happen. It's at least plausible, so automatically miles ahead of A for me

>>4009711
Liking traps doesn't necessarily make you gay, and liking traps doesn't necessarily make you ungay.
People have multitudes.

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>>4009853
I hid that A/B post from the start, then foolishly tabbed into incognito out of curiosity. I regret it. If you're too retarded to filter out a tag then you deserve to feel crowded or whatever.

>>4009671
>lawl it doesn't look male at all
Which is always a pointless argument when it comes to anime. These people don't lose their minds when a character is born with blue hair, elf ears, and can use magic, so why all the think pieces and anger if a dude has wide hips and a cute face? It's the hypocrisy that annoys me more than anything else.

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well i dont know about baits, but i want to grab hideyoshi by the boypuss and insert my schlong onto him. put triplets in his boywomb; ill find a way. make him my boywife. kill his stupid sister. restore hyperborea

I just don't get why you'd be angry at not being called gay or being told traps aren't gay if you're bi. It feels like trolling, especially when most bifags like the idea of a trap cucking them and fucking a chick

>>4010365
>especially when most bifags like the idea of a trap cucking them and fucking a chick
see why no one likes when you make stupid assumptions

>>4010367
Just basing off of what os actually popular

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>>4010370
>popular
Gee I wonder what the contrarian autistic faggots in the contrarian autistic website actually like

>>4010371
Which isn't prudent to my generalization

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Stop replying, post delicious boys. It's not hard at all.

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>>4010373
Show me a single time a trapfag has gotten salty for being called straight outside of 4chan and I'll concede.

>>4010287
>so why all the think pieces and anger if a dude has wide hips and a cute face?
trans derangement syndrome and general westoid inability to say they don’t like something without having to “bolster” that dislike with politics or moralisms

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>>4010365
>most bifags like the idea of a trap cucking them and fucking a chick
No they don't

>>4010370
>actually popular
I think you're looking for the cucking with raceplay, not femme guys

>>4010373
Were you tryna say "germane"??

>>4010389
Replying's kinda the point for me, though.
I'm not here for the traps.

>>4010287
>pointless argument when it comes to anime. These people don't lose their minds when a character is born with blue hair
Me, my issue with traps is less about the concept of androgynous dudes in girl clothes and more Miyazaki's chief charge against the otaku as a people contemptuous of life.
Like, dudes who look and dress like that, those exist outside porn. Traps don't.
Characters with blue hair and elf ears are fantastical, but may or may not still act like people. Merely looking like an elf is superficial and physical.
Traps are less fantastical, but they don't act like people more often than not

Type A in >>4007654 is an extremely common scenario for traps, I would even say it's *the* classic trap porn scenario. And yet, it's not a thing real people often do if at all, because any real person who would even want to do this would have to transgress either modern sexual consent ethics or their survival instinct.
When traps don't act like people in a way that rings true to life lived beyond the page and the screen, that's because they're not designed to do that. Their unreality goes to their conceptual core.
They're not merely crossdressing androgynous boys, they're walking, talking blow-up dolls in the shape of crossdressing androgynous boys.
They are a representation of a sexual ideal that is a pure artifact of objectification, a void of personhood. Fetish taking the form of flesh, if by flesh, you mean a stock character archetype.
All this to say that the effect is such that, when I see a trap, I can't appreciate the nubile boy in a skirt because all I see is an Ugly Bastard behind the screen masturbating to him.

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>>4010725
Don't you think you have too much fridge in your food

>>4010725
Okay, have you written up essays about any other stock trope being a ~hollow void of personhood~ or is that only for the ones you can't cum to...? You're just a hypocrite with no real logical basis to stand on, rambling on about the ontology of personhood and bad character writing doesn't change that.

In the end, when you're out casually browsing: filter traps or get fucked. Last reply from me

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>>4010762
>have you written up essays about any other stock trope being a ~hollow void of personhood~
Yes, but with friends IRL.
Yes, I have friends, hard to believe.

In my country, the stock soap opera villain is a mother-daughter pair of rich haughty bitches conniving against an opposing mother-daughter pair of impoverished virtuous cardboard women with no personality.
Some amateur culture commentators have read this Marxistly, ascribing this antagonism to class consciousness, but that's a hacky take.
It's actually quite a traditionalist narrative applying no real moral valence to wealth: nothing's wrong with the fact that the evil mother-daughter are rich, it's that they're rich but of poor character. Very fairytale.
These narratives tend to end with the virtuous bitches rewarded with wealth and status, while the wicked girls are humbled or have to learn their lesson.
Sometimes, the daughter is redeemable while the mother (or a news recreation CGI double) ignores her daughter's last minute pleas to repent in the middle of her scheme, and she is hoist by her own petard, which sets her on fire, then she falls off a 40-story building

These charas are similarly a hollow fantasy, except instead of serving as a male coomer fleshlight, they are a ramy al-jamarāt for straight women wanting mindless cheese and feeling victimized by various social circumstances: being poor, neighborhood mean girl, etc.
My issue is that, instead of making for gross fapping, they make for bad drama: there is no actual charge in these characters' relationships to make for compelling narratives because they are mindless puppets of the melodrama, having no real wants and desires. They are not worth watching, and yet take up 98% of the airtime on primetime TV. They are my true nemesis.

I also dislike tsundere when it's done badly, especially because I actually like that trope.
When done badly, most of my complaints about traps also apply to tsundere, often including the squelching prurience.

>>4010460
Trannys are the deranged ones, wanting everyone to play along with their fetish, lest they kill themselves.

>>4010890
whyd you pluralize it like that. is this your first language? do not worry, you have nothing to be embarrassed about

>>4010892
Please do not call attention to the lapse in spelling convention. You are not helping or setting a good example with your own post

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Nobody cares about your opinions and none of you is convincing anyone else about anything so whatever shit you're all arguing about is pointless.

>>4010905
Generally good advice, but I just like chatting

>>4010905
you're right but i have a lot of anger in my heart

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>>4010725
This is mostly not true. And the extent to which it is, it's missing key context.
Non-sexual crossdressing by boys and young men has been a pervasive storytelling trope since antiquity. And while real life examples of fugitive men and boys crossdressing tended to be more pitiable or pathetic than their mythic counterparts, they did still happen. The relationship between this and modern traps is not immediately apparent, but I will return to that later.
Another important element are pretty boys and dandies. Many different cultures go through spells where the ideal of male beauty, including in heterosexual contexts, trends towards youthful androgyny and peacocking. This can even sometimes dip into effeminacy*. East Asian beauty standards have tended to hover closer to this throughout history and Japan is no exception.
But most important of all are effeminate homosexual** men and the boys that grow in to them. They are a phenomenon that has existed across essentially all cultures. This is one of the most durable homosexual archetypes even in societies where both homosexuality and male effeminacy are taboo. And, depending on the time and place, it has gone all the way to crossdressing. Japan specifically used to have crossdressing male actors/prostitutes. That "used to" is extremely important. It is the font from which the modern trap springs.
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>>4010941
It is ultimately true that the combination of crossdressing for both deceptive and sexual purposes has been rare in real life throughout history. Sexual crossdressing tended to manifest more like the original Bridget. He dresses and looks like a girl. But he tells anyone who asks that he is a boy and even wears a Mars symbol on his habit. He's not hiding his maleness and historical gay traps usually didn't either. Those crossdressing male prostitutes were sought out because they were male. Crossdressing with the intention of genuinely convincing people that the crossdresser was female has usually been limited to those pragmatic situations and their mythic representations that I mentioned at the start. And Bridget is once again relevant here. To the audience, his crossdressing is meant to titillate. But, in his own universe, it was originally forced on him for pragmatic reasons. What would finally merge these two previously distinct forms of crossdressing is taboo.
The Western world, and the US in particular, has a lot of taboos surrounding traps. There is the taboo against homosexuality rooted in christianity. And non-pragmatic or humorous crossdressing has been taboo since even before then. Even male beauty standards in the West have tended to be weighted more towards manly men, especially in the US until very recently. And these taboos and norms have now been exported to the rest of the world.
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>>4010942
This rigidity in gender norms is often seen as oppressive even in Western societies. And it must be doubly so in societies where it is a recent addition like Japan. Any boy or man who would otherwise have been a happy pretty boy or non-deceptive crossdressing homo instead feels great pressure to suppress these desires and be "normal". But you may have noticed that there was a hole in Western trap taboos. The non-sexual, pragmatic, but also deceptive trap has never been an issue in the West until very, very recent tranny issues. The pressure had to go somewhere. So, taking the path of least resistance, it flowed through this hole. And the modern trap was born.
In purpose, the trap occupies a very real sexual niche that is now largely denied from both those who want to be them and those who want to fuck them. But in expression, the trap is bound up in an entirely different form of crossdressing that, in reality, is almost wholly separate. So yes, traps do represent a fetish divorced from reality. But the road that led to this is far different from the typical otaku ouroboros. It is an aspirational/vicarious fetish for expressing natural desires that have become difficult and uncomfortable to express otherwise.
Traps and the reactions to them are some of the most fascinating anthropological phenomena. It would be a mistake to reduce it all to objectification.

*Throughout these posts I'm using effeminate to refer to what a given culture considers to be girly or woman-like within itself. I'm not saying these behaviors are actually feminine nor am I using modern, Western gender norms.
**I'm using homosexual to mean any male who willingly participates in sexual acts with another male. Currently held beliefs concerning sexuality are very new and so do not graft well on to historical cultural norms. But this is not the topic at hand.
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>>4010943
All of this has been in relation to the "type A" trap. The "type B" trap is simply what has survived or been revived of pretty boy and effeminate homosexual expression in the real world. But it is due to dissatisfaction with the limits placed on "type Bs" and the social stigma that they continue to face that the desire for "type As" persists. Many boys and men don't feel like they can even get away with being a "type B". So if they're forced into the realm of fantasty anyway, they may as well go all the way to what they really want. And even some of those who feel comfortable being "type Bs" wish they could go further but are left only with the fantasy of "type As".
The same goes for those who want to fuck traps. Some are uncomfortable with expressing a desire to fuck "type Bs", even to themselves. And others like "type Bs" but long for more.
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>>4010892
They're not worth thinking about enough to concern myself with grammer you condescending, gender mutilating shitfuck.

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You see, I just like cute boy dressed like woman

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>>4010943
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>>4010941
I'm sorry, but your points are just 19th century anthropology and I mean that in the most derisive way possible. Whatever you get half-right is made full-wrong through conjecture and overgeneralization.
If you start talking about women weaving their pubes in the shape of dicks, I will only be half-surprised.
I feel like this is the 2nd time I explained to you what I think about your topics, and if so, then none of it stuck, so I am not continuing this conversation with you beyond this one most salient point:
>It would be a mistake to reduce it all to objectification
No, it really is that simple.
My fundamental point is that "trap" is, at its core, an exonym.
Being used by the "trap" himself does not convert it to endonym because its usage is wholly in the context where the supposed trap is aware of their status as an object. Devoid of a beholder, the trap ceases to exist.
Further above, I explicitly compared the "trap" to the simple concept of androgynous men who crossdress. Those are not traps because they do not exist for sex. They do not exist for anything, they simply do, as may you or I. When one is, at least for the moment, existing for one's self, how could a term like "trap" ever be apt given its clear intentionality centering on the reception of the beholder?

>>4010944
You misunderstood the chart?
Type B is a boy who is mistaken as a girl in spite of their wish to be seen as merely a pretty guy.
In that specific case, they didn't seem very happy to be mistaken as a girl. Did you miss that?

>>4010953
>They're not worth thinking about enough to concern myself with grammer
Don't mind if I steal this cope.
Very lion don't concern himself etc.
>gender mutilating
This is such a poetic way to metonymize "genital mutilation," you should consider a career in letters

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>>4010964
I especially love them when they're designed by a woman.

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Too big to post. https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=9040707&tags=sammy_same

>check thread
>poonfoid losing her mind and writing books over sexy things daring to exist
must be a day ending in y

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>>4011022
Mild disagreement here, I do not mind who designs it.
If anything, I love traps who are cute both crossdressing and not crossdressing.

>>4011022
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>>4011024
Ah cmon this is tasteless and does not even resemble a boy in the slightest
Bet you do not even like cute males at all

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I was pleasantly surprised to learn these two were guys. Don't know if it's too /co/ to be posted here.

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>>4010997
Starting out with dismissive insults against a respectful, good faith argument instantly invalidates all of your opinions. But I'll deign to grant you one reply.
You act like I'm making this shit up, but I'm speaking from experience. I don't do it so much anymore. But when I was a teenager I would frequently concoct these fantasies where I was another, much cooler boy with psychic powers or piloting a mech or whatever else I stole from the things I'd been playing/watching. And all of these boys were at least androgynous with some being full blown traps. And of course, I did the typical thing of always having a justification for any crossdressing. They were forced to do it or they were from a place where it was normal for boys to wear skirts or whatever. Even in my fantasies I wasn't bold enough to willingly, intentionally crossdress.
It was my way of coping with being too afraid to present myself how I wanted out of fear of judgement from my family and peers. It was also my way of coping with being terrified to act on my homosexual crushes. So yes, there was a sexual component to it too. But it was not about being "beheld". I wanted to be a pretty boy with long pretty hair and cute clothes and a boyfriend because I couldn't summon the courage to do that in real life.

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>>4011043
Jesus God, the media literacy in this room.
I'm not here to fuckin invalidate your lived experiences or some shit.

Live and be the way that makes you happy, no one can or should take that way from you, and I'm sincerely very sorry if it came off like I was doing that.

But what you said, while not being entirely wrong, is incomplete in an area where being the teensiest bit lacking can be quite glaring, and not only did you misunderstand the nuance of my point then, you are still doing it! I did not say what you think I was saying!! How can I be more clear than my last post!!

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Boys that look 100% like girls when no bulge/penis is visible are the best and the best part is that they are boys.

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>>4011143
I like these boys and more androgynous boys.

>>4010725
>No they don't
Yes they do, which is why every artist is shifting towards that.

>>4011241
*every artist you watch and like, projecting straggot

>>4011247
>straggot
lol oh it's you.

>>4011291
who do you think I even am? do you think everyone who says straggot is a single person?

>>4011303
my boywife

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Only you are cringe enough to use a word like straggot like it's some sort of insult.

>>4011325
I believe what that anon meant to say is you are a retarded nigger-loving tranny kike. Is that more to your liking?

>>4011325
you are obsessed with someone i dont even know, nice pic though

>>4011325
It's in insult when I say it. You need to get out of the closet.

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You will submit to this motherly boy. He has juicy tits on top of a plump dick

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>>4011922
I'm gonna rip his thong off and suck on his cock yessir I'll be a bottom bitch for cute blonde boys

>>4012106
What character is this?

>>4012118
OC most likely

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>>4012118
>>4012120
Nursery Aide June from Pokemon BW2 which appears in front of the ferris wheel in Nimbasa City during summer which after battling him you can ride the wheel with him and he then reveals he's a crossdressing guy.
He can only be battled if you play as the male protag wink wink

>>4012126
Huh, welcome to the magical realm I guess

>>4010365
I dunno about angry, but traps being gay is the gay component of my sexuality. I like cute boys with girly faces and hips and I have a fetish for making them crossdress. The way I see it, if someone would've called me a faggot for liking this 20 years ago, then it's gay, and I'm bi because I like that AND girls. It doesn't mean I don't have a gay side just because I mostly like a certain kind of male, so it's annoying because it's just factually incorrect to say I'm not gay. I'm accepting and being open about myself and not being a closet case, and then it's gay guys who want to put me back in the closet and say I'm somehow 100 percent straight because the guys I like are too cute for their personal tastes. It's gaytekeeping as if all homosexuality boil down to liking musclemen.

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>>4010365
Nah man, it's gay as fuck to like traps. For me, I like cute boys who crossdress but you can still tell that they're a sexy lad. I have accepted my doom as a faggot who also likes pretty Anime waifies

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feels like i've seen more fujos into traps lately

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>>4008081
femboys on hrt who do shady things before they hit twink death sometimes. Especially ones of Asian/latam ethnicity.
>>4009233
It’s funny because femboys seethe if you call them trannies
>>4012485
They always had odd fetishes like feminization. Just look at pixiv

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>>4012207
>The gay component
But it isn't gay, it's bi, there is no "gay" part of you, you just like dudes occasionally. Just embrace who you actually are.
We all know you will end up with a woman in the end.
Feels like a weak virtue signal.

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my cute boywife Tomaru-kun

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Consider being trapsexual
Because everything else honestly sucks in comparison