Many such cases. After all TADC was astroturfed on here of all places, getting fucking pinned on /b/ with the pilot release while everyother board was getting spammed.

>Megacorporations is…LE BAD!

>>153251273
You're not gonna bring up the fact they got funds from the Australian government?

>>153251273
I don't care as long as the end result is good.

>>153251286
>everyother board was getting spammed.
Thank you. I thought I was the only one who had noticed. Motherfuckers would try to pull bullshit out of their asses trying to excuse why they had to post TADC in unrelated boards.

>>153251302
Around a quarter of funding for many Australian film projects is government assisted.

>>153251302
civilized countries give government money to arts and media, yes. that's normal.

>>153251273
Source? Did someone breakdown their funds details?

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>>153251302
The fact that our taxes goes to make movies and series it's enough divine casus belli to burn down these institutions.

>>153251412
Our taxes should very much be going towards the arts and not to bombing children overseas.

>>153251302
why would that be noteworthy

>>153251434
The sweat of the poor and the risk of the rich should only go to infrastructures, services and charity. But your entertainment is a private matter, millions wasted in a shitty movie is a crime.

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>>153251434
That will be $136.000, taxpayer.

>>153251434
>TADC art
lmao no

>>153251439
cant you see anon? getting gibs from the government once singlehandedly disqualifies it from being ackshually indie, y'know?

>>153251273

Their shows are highly satanic because they're made by trannysexualiseds

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>>153251624
>claims to be indie (independent)
>is, in fact, very dependent

>>153251273
hey, it worked for the NFB

SMG4 died so we could get a Netflix deal and put our drill fetish sloppa in theaters sorry sorrryyyyyyy I know I know it's just ugh it's so hard to be a smol indie bean :((((

>>153251273
Did you quote a comment from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YklLiolmM_0
Or are you the same guy?

>>153251298
Unironically yes

>>153251434
Art sure, like high brow art, classical concertos, fixing museums and even paying liberal arts fags to make stuff so they don't spend all day tweeting about the impeding communist revolution

The Astroturfed Dickcut Circus is not art

>>153251641
Why are you looking for Satan when you should be looking for Jesus?

I find it amazing how /co/ constantly seethes about Glitch, despite the fact that Glitch really hasn't done anything wrong besides being somewhat falsely advertised as indie, which really isn't that bad compared to the shit bigger studios like Netflix or Amazon have done. What, are you guys just sick of TADC threads or something?

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>>153251961
I'm mad because their success should have been mine
I'm working my ass off at the goddamn warehouse, barely having time to make my shit while people like Goose and other successful indie fags get to live their dreams. I unironically think about roping every day, I can barely afford my apartment and my animations get 500 views on a good day and I cant afford to hire other animators so I'm doing everything myself
I want both the industry and indie scene to collapse just so I can have some sort of satisfaction
If I can't succeed, no one can

It's taking them four years to do a nine episode cartoon. If they're not in the majors, they're indie, that's the rule.

>>153251273
Stuff has to be funded somehow

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>>153251961
Im personally annoyed because they have an obvious artist selection bias which 100% is a requirement from their donors but at the same its pretending to be a wholesome chungus organic indie studio.

If media companies get free gibs from tax payers then they should be publicly audited every year. full transparency of their books. All expenditures and salaries made public.

Press on this and watch them shit their pants

>>153251961
>muh whataboutism
fuck off

The word indie is just a buzzword at this point. If your definition of indie is just "not backed by a large corpo maaaan” then technically Mr Beast counts as an indie animator

>>153251273
>indie animation
>look inside
>pulsing flesh

>>153252988
Mr Beast was selected by a talent studio with connections to Disney and was pushed by youtube. In no capacity is he indie.

>>153251273
QRD, please?

Trillions must smile

>>153252988
He is independent. He's only internet famous, he just happened to be very lucrative at it.

>>153253129
/co/ is having a seething autistic meltdown and hallucinating things again

>>153252988
As of the past decade, the definition of "indie" has been watered down and abused so much that it really has no real requirements outside of vibes.
You can grab two pieces of indie media, and they'll be like
>indie media A
>made by a team of around a hundred or more, owned by a multimillion/multibillion dollar public corporation, multiple parent companies with net worths in the billions or trillions, has access to an insane amount of resources including regular merchandising campaigns and streaming deals
>indie media B
>made by 3 guys over Zoom, funded by a patreon with 12 subscribers, budget of a case of beer and a sandwich, their only resources are a Makeship plushie campaign and that they know someone who can do a Joe Swanson impression
And people will tell you that these are both equally independent works.

>>153253278
So official Games Workshop animations vs. If The Emperor Had a Text-to-speech Device, then?

>>153251273
>massive financial backing
Presumably you have numbers

>>153251701
SMG4 deserved to die from the moment it was born

>>153252435
You think they aren't but you haven't checked

>>153253409
All countries?
Please expand on this to prove your point

>>153254019
Probaly not in the US because it's the dumbest country ever but others yes

>>153253278
>>indie media A
>made by a team of around a hundred or more, owned by a multimillion/multibillion dollar public corporation, multiple parent companies with net worths in the billions or trillions, has access to an insane amount of resources including regular merchandising campaigns and streaming deals
name seventeen examples

>>153254103
One would already be nice

>>153253278
"Independent" means independent. It doesn't mean "low budget."

>>153254771
If you aren't part of one of the majors you should be and remain poor

>>153251298
...
YES!
MEGACORP BAD YOU IMBECILE!

>>153253246
Cartoon side of the board*

>>153251273
there is a large, noisy crowd of "animation culture" leaders and veterans who used to be "indie" 15 years ago & still think of themselves as such even though they became the current industry long ago

this includes a significant number of youtuber/"content creators" types who similarly became industry aligned media outlets without realizing it btw

>>153251273
>massive
Numbers?
>megacorporations
Which ones???
>uhm, Australian government
Not a megacorporation and I'm pretty sure it's not on a regular basis, it was like a one time donation. Maybe I am wrong. But I like the shit GLITCH produces so I don't care. Fuck midwit pseuds seething about "muh modern art le bad" as well, zero abstract thinking when engaging with works, only "duuuuh pretty picture". Would be lauged at by those same classical artists cause classical art was also more than just about "pretty pictures". An average consooomer pretending to appreciate classical art doesn't even know that the classical artists had subtle differences in their styles and won't tell apart a Da Vinci painting from Michelangelo and such.

>>153255577
The australian government is a racket meant to maximize the profits of mining magnates and real estate developers. All governments are indistinguishable from megacorporations under capitalism.

>>153251273
One thing else that bothers me about Glitch is that they claim they give creators freedom, and they do, but is it really because they people in charge are fine with creator freedom or because they so happen to pick up shows that already align with everything they want? There's a big overlap in themes between Glitch shows, such as female protagonists dealing with technological horrors, so clearly they have a preference and a bias, so i wonder how much of that creator freedom is only because they only pick up creators who don't need to watched over, not because those in charge trust them, but because they are already on the same wavelength.
Am i articulating this point well enough? Does anyone here understand what i am trying to say?

>>153255626
Yeah you think female protagonists are DEI

>>153255615
>I couldn't find a megacorp to support my hot take so here's my best commie impersonation

>>153255626
>every single company is supposed to release any kind of project or it's not freedom
This is some delusional shit anon. Artistic freedom mainly means the company isn't trying to censor the project they already agreed to pick up. But obviously a company is not obliged to take on something that will harm their reputation or be a monetary liability. Freedom on practice is mostly about the government not being able to censor shit, as well as certain megacorporations that have practical monopoly on some things, for example payment processor censorship should be battled. Cause it gives precedent that they can just ruin you financially at any moment for whatever reason. And there aren't really any feasible alternatives to the main payment processors.

>>153255753
I never said that, i'm simply pointing out a pattern.
>>153255879
I stopped reading soon after your greentext as that's not what i said either and i find your twisting of my words to be insulting and i question how much of my post you actually read and how much you choose to ignore out of pessimism.
I'm wondering if Glitch is all for creator freedom because they truly belive in it or because they only pick up creators who already align with what they'd be willing to give freedom for.
Like i said, they do give creator freedom, i'm simply question if it's because they actually want creators to be free or if it's because the creators use that freedom to go in the direction they themselves are already going towards and they wouldn't bother with anyone who'd use that freedom to create something that wouldn't fir in with their own personal biases and preferences.
The only show so far to not fit in with that is Lackadaisy and even then it's not apart of their main branch.

>>153256366
>I'm wondering if Glitch is all for creator freedom because they truly belive in it or because they only pick up creators who already align with what they'd be willing to give freedom for.
When a lot of money is involved, it's always the latter.

>>153255773
Literally on the wikipedia page.

>>153254771
If they're owned by a multimillion/multibillion dollar public corporation and have multiple parent companies with net worths in the billions or trillions
They aren't independent
But people still call them indie

>>153255626
>or because they so happen to pick up shows that already align with everything they want?
there is literally nothing wrong with this

>>153257097
>If they're owned by a multimillion/multibillion dollar public corporation and have multiple parent companies with net worths in the billions or trillions
>They aren't independent
name eighteen examples

>>153251551
where googly eyes
>>153253393
In an ideal world, SMG4 would die around Meta Runner, Meta Runner gets 5 seasons, Sunset Paradise gets 3, and Fishy Boopkins Gets his own show

>>153257097
Corporate employees call them independent due to a flawed perception that subordinate borg tentacles enjoy greater distance and independence from the borg

>>153251273

I work for glitch on the 3D team. You're not correct, you're not even providing evidence of your claim.

Truth is Screen Australia who are the government funding body who give money to film and animation projects wouldn't help us when we asked / needed it back in the meta runner days. They came crawling back to us once TADC popped off and when they did we didn't need them. Aussie creative grants are bullshit because the funding body only want to put money into already successful projects. Fuck em.

>>153257097
Name the parent company then?

>>153256945
Litterally not

>>153251448
*the risk of the poor

>>153255567
The scrappy kids of yesterday would never sell out to the man and become today’s squares of the system, networking on Twitter is punk

>>153257097
Glitch doesn't have a parent company. And for that matter hasn't revived government cash since the end of meta runner.

>>153257114
I'm not saying there is, but what i am saying is 1, are they allowing freedom only because they pick of those they believe deserve Glitch's freedom and 2, more variety wouldn't hurt.

>>153259793
But they have teamed up with Amazon.

>>153255626
That’s what a brand is dude. Look at the Glitch logo. Look at the way they write their public statements and who their audience is.
Every horse show is a cute story for girls because the horse show money comes from cute toys for girls in order to sell more cute toys for girls. Glitch is cornering the internet plushie autistic Hot Topic market because that’s their thing. Disney TVA makes safe, positive shows for grade schoolers. Some other small outfit will become the place for another kind of thing you’re looking for.

>>153251273
>recieved massive financial backing from megacorporations
They're gonna need alot more after tadc ends. Without a new cashcow to take it's place, that studio is in for a real struggle.

>>153260243
i think you're saying that because you want it to happen and not because you think it'll happen

>>153252079
Bro you need therapy. Imagine roping because someone else is more successful than you. You soud incredibly narcissistic ad don't realize if you chill and wait long enough you can be a success too. Its not a zero sum game.

>>153260130
No they didn't, they are licencing some of their shows for Amazon to have on their platform for a set period of time.

If a company pays you to rent a product you make does that company suddenly own you?

>>153260348
>if you chill and wait long enough you can be a success too
Bro does need therapy but you can’t help him by saying poverty is just a personal failure, just empathize or not and move on

>>153258000
Make a better product then

>>153261145
>Trying to create an incredibly successful marketable cartoon to escape poverty
At that point you might as well actually try to become something decent like a nurse or a lawyer if thats your main goal.

>>153261100
Read my post again and read it well.
Did i say Amazon owns Glitch? No. I said they teamed up.
Don't twist my words.

>>153261253
Exactly. If you can’t afford to live that’s not magically changing if you decide to chill and wait long enough.

>>153261308
You misunderstand me sir. What was implied by me saying "chill and wait long enough" was actually meant to mean "continue to work on your projects consistently and you might get somewhere". Sorry for the confusion. Also he said he barely affords his rent, which means technically he can actually afford to live but barely

>>153260121
That’s a chicken-or-the-egg question, it seems.

>>153251312
that shit was on /v/. I dont even hate the damn show but the pilot was mid. I blame retarded fans because they will call it indie despite not really being so. Is it so bad to call themselves a "small business"? Just drop indie.

I think niggers just use the word
>indie
To mean small animation. It is used interchangeably so these retards think it is indie because the team is a small team when compared to Disney. You dont need to be indie. Japan has a whole business of various studios. They are businesses.

>>153251739
You need to keep the masses entertained in all classes
The rich are too powerful to be allowed boredom
The poor have too little to lose to be allowed boredom

>>153255626
Gooseworx got approached and shit out a concept for TADC in 2 weeks, so they're the ones approaching these creators, meaning they have that creator's "vibe" (I hate that word but it fits I suppose) in mind already. Then again, even if the concept was made in 2 weeks, it's obviously doing very well, so SMG4 knows what he's looking for when he approaches these people. It's more than likely the case that Glitch presents opportunities to people they're already pre-okay with having creative freedom. For what it's worth I'm enjoying TADC a lot as well, away from the fandom, but haven't been interested in any other Glitch Production shows yet, so no idea on their plots/similarities/differences/etc. As a side note, because of the fandom, is anyone else not going to see the movie, because they don't want to be part of a mass casualty event?

>>153251273
>recieved massive financial backing from megacorporations
What megacorporations?

>>153251370
It's actually just the Australian government donating for the arts or some shit iirc

>>153252079
If it makes you feel better mainstream Western media is dying. I cant imagine ""indie"" garbage will outlast it for long frankly.

>>153255626
I honestly never really trust any company that claims to allow artistic freedom, because behind the scenes that isn't really happening, not entirely.

>>153251273
I hate you so much

>>153251273
Dana Turdrace is a hack

>>153261266
>hur dur I didn't EXPLICITLY say this thing I very clearly directly implied
Don't backpedal, you slimy disingenuous fuck.

>>153261392
No, I understood what you said and disagreed. You misunderstand me. The guy has to deal with his actual problem and where it came from, take care of his needs, and not conflate his feelings with his work. If he thinks self improvement and success is going to fix his problems he’s just going to find someone else to resent in his career all the way up the mountain.

>>153264339
>Dana Turdrace
Not her name.

>>153264339
Elaborate mate

>>153264493
You're moving the goalposts, the original argument was about whether doing something consistently or not would be enough to allow anon to escape poverty, which it in fact could do hypothetically. Now you're making it about anon healing his insecurities, because poverty isn't his only problem, which is an argument I have never mentioned.

>>153265601
No, dude. You were one who greentexted creating an extremely successful series to escape poverty because you didn’t get what I was saying to you about your cute cartoonist tough love schtick. You make this kind of guy more obnoxious doing that because he has real problems that are unrelated to what he’s seething at Gooseworx for that he should be actually addressing in the time its gonna take him anyway to git gud because that’s gonna impede getting good.

>>153258000
Ah, so just like here in NZ, where it boils down to
>Maori/Pacifika/diversity projects for iwi/treaty obligations and to give labour-voting artfags something to do
or
>Giving millions of dollars to James Cameron to make his blue furry movies
I miss the days when they made an effort with shit like Bro Town or Eating Media Lunch and the likes.

>>153251683
>>is, in fact, very dependent
Ae they, if they haven't received government funding for years after working with too many Americans?

>>153265853
Maybe, but I think if he's able to pay rent and he's not homeless that it's not super duper bad. I dunno maybe I'm heartless ig idk

>>153264388
Like I said, its just /co/ seething uncontrollably about it's own hallucinations

>We should support small creators so they can make things.
>Small creators took the bag so they can make things, it's time to stop supporting them
>Also we're not even doing to have this discussion until they find real success
Explain

>>153252079
>t. Next person who's going to burn down a warehouse