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Because being Dick Grayson is suffering, it is a double special
And Terra's Redemption arc are taking twists
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>>153252826
Bump if you are reading both or one
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BEHOLD THE NEW AND IMPROVED AND NOW TECHNORGANIC VICTOR CYBORG
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Because how long it took for DC to mention Smallville Cyborg?
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>>153252971
Did DC forget about Grid?
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>>153252979
Osterman murderfucked Grid into a permanent death
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>>153252922
So it's just the Omegadrome + Clone Body shit from the early 00s again, basically.
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>>153252982
>my machine-self proceeded to kidnap you then built all of this
>his own mecha-world where he could keep his friends safe
>even if it's against their will
Remind me again how this isn't just the Technis Imperative?
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In the end Tara markov never hated her family aka the titans or her brother, she simply is a retarded tsundere, and the redemption arc is in

And 4chan is shitting itself again
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>>153253040
The whole point of the parts with old Titans is its satirizing all their old plot points/story beats. Last issue barely had a plot because 90% of the issue was that.
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And there she is, and brombal said that Victor and Tara will be very close.

Next Stop, Nightwing.
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Now if 4chan doesnt shit itself again
This is how Dick's life is after last issue's shenanigans, which is sounding like Daredevil.
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>>153253111
A lot of people are probably gonna agree with Terra until we learn more about Eva.
>>153252979
Honestly, this feels like a new origin story for Grid.
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Also there will be a Zatanna preview at the end of this storytime, i didn't include in titans because it makes no sense adding early on.
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God damn I was confused by them calling Spoiler in her Spoiler outfit "Batgirl".
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>>153253160
This reads and looks like he got raped.
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>>153253281
nah, is waters wanting to give dick the miller's daredevil treatment
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How many many times was bludhaven and gotham's origins tied to satanic black magic and sick shit?
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>>153253342
Bludhaven? Pretty sure this is the first time. Nobody's really gone into any of its deep history/past before.
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And here is the Zatanna preview
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And That's It!
Support your LCS if you like
I was going to add Deathstroke too but that deserves its own thread for reasons.
Lobo is also getting covered unless someone does it since yesterday it was nearly impossible.
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>>153253105
The whole point of the FIRST issue was satirizing the old plot points and story beats. They're in the real world now, and the real world threat is still just another repeat of a story they already did.
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>>153253491
So is this Nightwing meets Supernatural?
Because it feels like Nightwing meets Supernatural.
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>>153253491
Dick you need to fuck the witch. That's the only way out of this. Babs will understand. I hear she's in jail now.
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>>153252995
1998 was late 90s not early 2000.
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>>153253644
Yeah, and they already did one of the main cast being split between their two halves earlier in the volume (plus, Johns already did it specifically with Cyborg in his JL run).

I can't tell if it's meant to be self-aware or if it's just oblivious.
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>>153253111
>schoolgirl in american comics
:|
>schoolgirl in japanese comics
:3
>japanese schoolgirl in american comics
:/
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>>153252826
And Deathstroke is done >>153253763

Moving to Lobo
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Last issue in this new Titans run was all about how the series needed to change and introduced new characters as a means to that end. But this issue is something that could have been done with the OG team, nothing would have changed.

Swap Jon Kent, Yara, and Batgirl for idk Aqualad, Speedy, and Kid Flash and nothing would have been different.
The premise that the most popular version of the team is overdone in some way is stupid if you are just going to do the same stories with a worse team.

Plus this "New Titans" line-up looks really lame. Faggot Jon Kent shouldn't be on any time. Yara Flor has never been an interesting character nor really had a concrete personality, Stephanie Brown's only role in the Bat family is to be on the bottom of every popularity ranking. (plus when you have people with the powers of fucking Superman and Wonder Woman on the team, what the hell would the worst Batgirl be able to do?)

The Fantastic Four have managed to have the same cast have plenty of fun adventures for many decades, it's ridiculous to suggest that the Teen Titans needed to change. Just have them do something new and fun
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>>153254372
Titans have been circling the drain since the 90s. We are talk about a book that was able to compete with the Claremont X-Men and now it's c/d-list book if we are being charitable even with the OG characters.
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>>153253754
I'm not seeing self-awareness on the similarities to Technis Imperative or GRID or even the Dark-Winged Queen arc.
>>153254372
Thank you. What genius actually thought the Titans would be improved by shoehorning in gay superboy, popozuda wonder girl, and worst batgirl.
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I agree DC overthinks the Titans. Just hire some writer with the mandate to not do Trigon, Deathstroke/Traitor, Brother Blood or them feeling lesser than the JL and you can probably get something decent. Adding 5 new sidekicks isn't gonna do much.

I also feel like new ideas/pitches for those characters as individuals is probably harder than it looks. Some of that is due to Wolfman getting most of his characters to their natural conclusion in NTT.

Cyborg is the most obvious example. He has been in a dozen Titans books, a dozen Justice League books, JL Odyssey, and like four solo books and no writer has found any interesting angles for him. He should probably just stay in the Titans because nobody has any better ideas.

I feel like Beast Boy and Raven should be integrated with the more Vertigo characters like Doom Patrol, JL Dark, Hellblazer, Animal Man. I'm not sure you are ever gonna get the most out of these characters in mainline DC.

Maybe Starfire could hold a solo book in space, but you need a good sci-fi writer because most of DC Cosmic isn't very interesting.

Nightwing had to reinvented as basically a completely different street-level character when he got his solo. Donna Troy, Roy Harper, Tempest...They are all just sidekicks who are never replacing their mentors and their franchises aren't big enough to allow them to develop like Nightwing did. Being on a Titans book is probably as good as it gets for them.
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>>153254099
Lobo is out >>153254787
Therefore all missing issues from yesterday are done
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>>153252893
The demonic hell chains are new

>>153252947
I don't recall Yara making a forcefield before

>>153253018
Oh I guess everyone is getting new powers

Did Steph contribute in any way?
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>>153253228
thats her outfit since shes been a batgirl since after rebirth. notice the bat symbol
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>>153255291
stephs drones attacked cyborg a bit
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>>153255808
Fact, is the new canon, stephanie never was robin or was teen pregnant.
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>>153254626
>worst batgirl.
steph isnt gook girl shes off doing stuff in her own book
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>>153255899
no she was still robin it was mentioned in the new history of the dc universe mini last year. however they did not mention the pregnancy
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>>153253228
She's been Batgirl since she added a bat on the rebirth spoiler costume.
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>>153255986
I forgot that, had to check out, the torture was written off, so is obvious that DC is rewriting everything to keep the most retarded stuff from the past out of the new canon.

She only became Batgirl recently in the new timeline.
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>>153253228
>>153255808
Aside from the Bat-logo her New 52 Spoiler costume was pretty similar to her old Batgirl look, they just swapped up her mask from a Batcowl to a mouth mask and a hood

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>>153256016
Everything is canon again

People remember both the Post-Crisis and New 52 versions of their lives

Steph remembers being Robin and Batgirl and people remember her as both
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>>153252826
Titans variant covers
New Titans #34 Cover B Ethan Young Variant
New Titans #34 Cover C Stephen Byrne Variant
New Titans #34 Cover D Fico Ossio Things to Come Variant
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>>153253143
Dick variants:
Nightwing #137 Cover B David Nakayama Variant
Nightwing #137 Cover C Martin Simmonds Variant
Nightwing #137 Cover D Denys Cowan Things to Come Variant

>WATTERS AND COWAN EXPLORE MORE FOLKLORE! There have long been legends of something bestial lurking in the forests just outside of Bludhaven . Some say it's demonic. Others think it's extraterrestrial. When a trail of violent incidents seems to connect this creature to the city's new super-highway, Nightwing resolves to get to the bottom of it. What he uncovers will bring one of his Titans teammates to Bludhaven , looking for some long-overdue closure...
Nightwing #138 Cover B Dani Variant
Nightwing #138 Cover C Philip Tan Variant

>NIGHTWING… CRIMINAL?! A new prosecutor is determined to hold Nightwing accountable for his alleged crimes, challenging Blüdhaven's once beloved hero to turn himself in to the police. As long-buried bodies surface beneath the city's highway, Dick Grayson must confront the cost of his choices and decide whether saving Blüdhaven means finally facing the law.
Nightwing #139 Cover B Ben Harvey VariantCover B Ben Harvey Variant
Nightwing #139 Cover C Gabriel Hardman Variant
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There's a good chance starfire got pregnant
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>>153257382
Thus Elayna'r Grayson is born
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>>153253712
Omegadrome + Clone Body was Grayson/Faeber Titans issue 20, which came out in 2000.
Don't fuck with me, casual, I have the floppy in my longbox.
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I'm all for convenient consolidation but if you were gonna put Deathstroke in a separate thread when you had a flimsy excuse to put it in this one, you should have given Nightwing a separate thread

These may as well be two separate Dicks
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>>153257607
>New Titans #33: Aren't you tired of this franchise just rehashing the same stories over and over? What if we did something different?

>*look inside*

>New Titans #34: WHAT IF CYBORG GOT SPLIT BETWEEN HIS HUMAN SIDE AND HIS ROBOTIC SIDE? WHAT IF HIS ROBOTIC SIDE WAS EVIL? WHAT IF WE RETREADED DICK/KORY/BARBARA DRAMA?

The joke's on me I know
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>>153255251
Titans should function more like Teen Titans Spotlight from the late 80s. Short stories highlighting different members of the team. It doesn't have to be solo adventures, but it's not trying to juggle a large cast in every issue. Raven, Beast Boy, and Troia all work in the Vertigo style. Cyborg should read like a mid 00s Warren Ellis sci-fi book. Starfire could go cosmic and try to pilot an Omega Men relaunch, but I'd rather see her on Earth. Maybe Ryand'r comes to live with her in New York or something.. Arsenal should be back in the spy fiction space, contracting with the CBI or Checkmate like he did in the 90s.
Aqualad is fucked, he's Aquaman but more boring.
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>>153257892
>WHAT IF WE RETREADED DICK/KORY/BARBARA DRAMA?
It's shocking to me how it keeps happening every 3 years
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>>153257471
I hope they bring back Mar'i
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>>153253257
Everytime Batman uses the Batcomputer, it makes me wonder why does he need Oracle in the first place.
That's why I always felt that Oracle is a silly superhero.
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>>153253491
This feels pretty by the books but I'm enjoying. Even something that's not too crazy can be an enjoyable read sometimes, but is there anything else that leads into this? Or is this a general All-In jump in if you want run? I could use more books to read, especially with the one dollar backlog weekends here
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>>153258560
The previous two issues are essentially a restart of the run

I enjoyed Watters stuff for the most part prior but Dexter Wordfilter was not the artist that should have been on the book and Cowan is a WAY better fit for the tone
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>>153255291
>I don't recall Yara making a forcefield before
I think it's supposed to be the burst of energy Wonder Woman and company can make by clashing their bracelets together
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>>153258478
Aged up superhero kids from the future are always fun.
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>>153258798
Pre-Flashpoint Diana was able to bang her bracelets together to make a shield because her bracelets were forged from the Aegis

Can't recall if the other Amazons could pull it off too
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>>153255251
Actually I think you could do some interesting stuff with Donna with all the New Cronus stuff, but literally only Phil Jimenez remembers that's a thing.
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>>153258478
What is this an image for Ryan choi
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>>153253491
No wonder /co/‘s miserable ass doesn’t talk about this book, it’s pretty good
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>>153259920
That's messy. How does Donna's connection to New Cronus work with her classic origin without acknowledging the retcons as a plot point like Return of Donna Troy did.
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>>153254626
When did Steph turn into Babs?
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>>153260682
It works the same way Terra is alive in this issue despite dying in Judas Contract. Nobody actually cares about DC continuity anymore.
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>>153255251
Beast Boy should working in the DC Weird corner for awhile.
Raven should work in the DC Dark corner for a bit.
Starfire is ready for the Justice League.
Nightwing is Nightwing.
Cyborg might as well be the "Mr Terrific" of the Titans.

We have two generations of young people
Young adults like Jon, Yara plus the Conner, Tim, Cassie generation, Aqualad, Mia, Steph + Cass, Static, etc.
Actual teens like Damian, Cheshire, Blue Beetle, Wally's kids

Decide your brand names ("Teen Titans," "Titans/New Titans", "Young Justice") and do a team book for each
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>>153260947
Young Justice name is tainted thanks to the shitty TV show and DiDio
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>>153260708
Those aren't even remotely similar.
Terra is alive because Flashpoint made it so she never died.
The Judas Contract "happened" because Cosmic Wonder Woman restored everyone's memories of all the previous continuities so the most popular takes could reassert themselves.
So the New Teen Titans "happened" but no one wants to talk about meta/cosmic bullshit Snyder pulled out his ass to restore it to continuity. And nobody has to think about it, because how she got resurrected isn't relevant to the current story, and can be handwaved away.

But using New Cronus, which is tied specifically to Donna's origin, which has been dramatically changed during literally every reboot over the past 40 years, can't be ignored like that.
You need to establish her relationship with the Titans of Myth, the other Titan Seeds, and explain how it fits in with Donna's upbringing on Themyscira.
Unless they want to go back to Donna's origin being canonically multiple choice, with her being unique in remembering everything as distinct realities, it's not worth the hassle.
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>>153261366
Also Terra mentions here that she Died TWICE
Which begs you to wonder if She can Trully die due to her being part of the Elemental Spectrum as her brother and Atlee's race, and that every time she dies, the earth gives birth to her once more.

Reminder that if she had continued to be a hero, She would be part of the New Guardians of the Universe alongside Kyle Rayner as she was chosen as him from birth to be part of it.
Which again, is something DC could revisit and have Her, Kyle and the others fulfil their destiny.
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>>153261366
Donna was connected to Titans of Myth before they changed her origin to be a Titans Seed
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>>153261533
Which is the second death, do you think? Did Brombal go back to Terra II just being a resurrected Terra?

>>153261907
Sure. "Connected". Hyperion raped her in the first NTT run. But the other guy said New Cronus, which was post-crisis only.
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>>153261852
TBF, Winick and Abnett runs only got new lineups and flopped because the batbooks cucked them out of using Nightwing.
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I just looked it up and apparently Hyperion was in Wonder Woman just a few years ago only to die the next issue

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperion_(Prime_Earth)
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>>153261852
DC seems to be letting mediocrity slide and unless they end up wanting to use Jon or Steph anywhere else (unlikely) they'll probably let Brombal get to #50.
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>>153262364
Abnett's new line-up was actually prior to Ric Grayson. That made him swap Dick for Kyle.

(And the reason why Kyle was likely because he had a similar enough design they didn't have to throw out the art they already made for the book)
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>I am forgotten
IIRC dick slept with "kory" in s1, babs in s3 and got together again with "kory" and had a kid together
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>>153262892
FUCK BATMAN!
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>>153262892
Is it bad that I'm Team Babs? I enjoyed the 2003 show too, but Dick moved on
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>>153262841
There were 3 lineups for Abnett.
There was the Rebirth lineup, then the rework that spun out of No Justice, then the final team when Dick got Ric'd.
That first rework was still a nostalgia book, being the first time Nightwing and Donna were teamed up with Beast Boy and Raven in almost a decade.
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>>153263055
no, it's not bad, i just find it funny DC can't decide themselves what to push for
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>>153263055
It depends whether you prefer the Batman family of books, vs the Teen Titans.
I have never been a Batman fan, but I like the Teen Titans, so I like Dick and Kory. Dory, if you will.

But, given that Nightwing is a much more Batman-centric character, I understand the pragmatic purpose of having him be with a Batgirl
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>>153261852
1999 Titans doesn't fit at all lmao.
It had five extra members from the get go and it didn't rehash any NTT stories due to Grayson not being allowed to use any villains beyond Slade in a storyline that revolved more about Adeline. IIRC Slade appears in 5 issues as well.
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>>153261852
I don't know why it's so hard for these writers to just have the Titans go on adventures. See new things, fight new villains, meet new people.
Plus they also have the whole catalog of literally every sidekick from DC to use if they need a new character.

It should not be this hard to come up with a monthly serial of these characters fighting crime and saving the day
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>>153264300
tbf, devin grayson is the best writer the Titans have had since wolfman left.
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>>153264315
I'll check out his stuff then. I'm new to comics, got in with the Absolute line. Titans so far seemed okay, but this new lineup just doesn't appeal to me. I want to read the classic characters.
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>>153264255
>But, given that Nightwing is a much more Batman-centric character
That's kind of the whole crux of the argument. I know people who are super into the arc of Nightwing growing up to be his own person with his own life and not just constantly one of Bruce's weirdo kids who are sucked into his orbit. That's their ideal.

For them, Dick/Babs is the height of everything wrong with where DC keeps taking him. A phoned in relationship built on nothing but the idea that as the "main" boy and girl of the next gen, they should be together. Kind of like Superman/Wonder Woman in a way.
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>>153264437
You know, I don't like Dick and Babs. It's just way too obvious. It feels unnecessary, it shrinks them both.
Those are two of the very few Batfamily-members who can support their own books, so why should *they* be in a relationship together?

If it were Stephanie Brown and Duke, Cassandra Caine and idk Jason Todd, that would make some sense. Those are characters who can't support their own titles, so to see them you can pair them together.
But Barbara Gordon can be even better served with a love interest specifically for her, and likewise with Nightwing.

It's like if two of the human Lanterns were dating, it just makes their universe smaller.
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>>153264482
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In general I really don't like Batman comics 'canon' relationships.
Like Bruce and Catwoman make no sense, that's a terrible ship. Firstly Bruce doesn't need a love interest, having a steady date would only take away drama from his story and, since he's a father already, wouldn't progress him narratively.
And then Catwoman is a thief, a supervillain. So either you need to discard Batman's moral code, or you need to neuter (or should I say spay) Catwoman by removing her criminal element.
But the later can't happen, since being a thief is roughly 70% of Catwoman's character.

To me BatCat is so nonsensical, it makes Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor look like a well executed comic book romance.
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>>153264482
Just like Superman/Wonder Woman it's something that only came in well after the characters had both been around by fans who had gotten into the business

There's been an increasing unwillingness to write superhero characters dealing with regular things like jobs and relationships as comic writers become more and more disconnected from the idea that writing is a job that they do, so they write characters as if they fuck all the people they know at work and they love their job
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>>153264482
It can make it seem smaller, yes, but there are other characters that have their own books work out even with a relationship going on. Marvel has a lot of problems but back then, they could have three different books with their own stories and enemies going on while those same characters are in some weird love triangle. You just need good writers to carry it, which are in dire supply.
>>153264437
People will remember when things worked and didn't work. In the same way some people liked Kory living with Dick, others could prefer the cute moments Babs and him got into. What matters is the execution. It felt like he grew up after realizing that he can love somebody but not be the best match for them.
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>>153252979
DC has a hard time remember MANY things lately...
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>>153265543
DC just want to ignore new52 and their old stupid shit under didio in general.

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