So what would happen if the government decreed women were property overnight, would the military and police start marching into cities right away? Or would they be condoned off and slowly strangled?

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>>11456864
Nah if you do that it's going to be your limited forces that will be encircled and destroyed piecemeal. Take it from me.

What you're going to want to do is make change like that slow enough to stomach for a lot of the population, alongside consolidating power in a specific smaller geographical area for when the dramatic changes are needed. A society based around open and total female slavery will be in a semi-permanent war state with its neighbours, which is why preparing for a warfare that is not total and instead might just be a way of getting new slaves in a few generations is needed. Transforming society on a continent wide scale is unlikely to succeed, building those chains in the shadows in a specific region for when global order becomes unsustainable is the only reasonable way.

If your patriarchal slaver enclave is good enough at producing propaganda you might be able to get enough slaves just by girls in surrounding regions who saw the completely stupefied yanderes that are filmed constantly and know they want that bliss for themselves, no slaver raids needed, but where's the fun in that?

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>>11456885
Nah, what you do is wait for a major regional/worldwide event. Especially something like a world war. So many young men that died on the front lines, how terrible. Those that are left are either lucky, unfit for service, or powerful enough to get out of it.

Now you have so many women that need a man to take care of them. But a man can't take care of tens of women on his own! At least, not if they have full rights and privileges of a free person. So it becomes commonplace to sign some of those away in exchange for the attention and security that comes with being married to a man.

Other regions can't get involved. After all, it's to prevent a major decline in birthrate!

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>>11456860
Wasn't expecting autistic world building to win.
>>11456864
You boil the frog. What you're describing would fail to the scale of years because you can't control a population with an army. What you want is slow, gradual social change. Starts with a few things here and there- tax breaks for families are re-packaged as, 'bachelor taxes.' Sex based discrimination in pay gets repackaged as 'freedom to rest' for women, even as men aggressively out-earn them. The more it sounds like it is to the benefit of women, even while undermining them, the better.
To the scale of generations eventually someone says, "Why not make women property?" and no one even bats an eye.
>>11456891
The problem is that wars tend to preferentially select for the kind of men who would lead to go get shot like a dog.

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>>11456895
Imma be honest here, there are two main reasons why a slow strategy wouldn't work.

First: It would mean I'd be dead long before that change arises. (Or at the very least, too old to properly enjoy it.) And if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen while I'm still around.

Second: You need a catalyst. Some form of event, usually, that creates/exposes a major problem. Need to make people say "okay, at least for now". Without some ideal or problem to rally behind or against, social reform tends to wither and die. Then once the time of crisis is finished, people are simply so used to the new lifestyle that they don't want to change. They'll see how much better they have it.

Especially with such a subject as touchy and sensitive as women's rights. It'll be hard to budge, but once the metaphorical ball gets rolling, people will realize nature won't let it stop.

Now don't get me wrong, a social change of this scale can't happen overnight. That change would be a catalyst for female supremacists to gain the upper hand. But it must start strong and quickly gain momentum.

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>>11456860
>How would a man find his slave wives(auctions, arranged Marriages, etc.)?
Depends the degree of progress of the society. In my case online orders are common place and so is custom ordering a bride from specialized (and certified) groomers who are dedicated to raising entire families with specific traits. I'm thinking a 2010 level world, more modern versions will also allow to order genetically/cybernetic enhnaced brides depending how much you're willing to pay.
>What sets wives apart from other slave women/what privileges are they given?
There are no free women. Either they're slaves living pampered or tragic lives, or they're attached to permanent milkers/the free use docks to be plowed and milked over and over of their fluids.
>Is there any real Courtship or are women sold purely as products?
Product placement, everything is cold and dedicated to Master's satisfaction.
>Any sort of eugenics or specialized training when it comes to slave wives?
Major corporations dedicate themselves to perfecting slave girls with specific traits such as bloodlines focused around purity, or fit girls, or girls with huge assets.

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>>11457127
>You need a catalyst.
The problem with a catalyst is that it creates an expectation that things go back to 'normal' eventually. It's the entire reason I placed the Kith setting squarely in a place where such an idea can't happen because there's a clear break with the old world.
>First: It would mean I'd be dead long before that change arises.
And that is why you will fail. Conservatives tend to suck and blindly adhere to their politics because they're old and for few other reasons but at least they have the bare bones of generational continuity covered. The average revolutionary fails even the most basic of hurdles because they can't even think five years out, let alone to the scale of generations. Whatever your patriarchal society ends up being, it needs to be fixated on the basics like how they intend to pass the torch onto the youth.
>But it must start strong and quickly gain momentum.
You can't do that without building entire generations of strong nuclear families and you can't do that without engaging in this to the scale of generations.
>>11457463
>There are no free women. Either they're slaves living pampered or tragic lives, or they're attached to permanent milkers/the free use docks to be plowed and milked over and over of their fluids.
Eh, in Kith Society while there are women who are 'liberated' in the sense they have no debt and are not recognized as property, that usually only exists within a framework where they loop back around to being functional slaves. They're still tethered to their father, or husband, their work is still subservient to men and while they might make respectable money it's because kith patriarchs will pay a jealous ransom to have the services of a skilled female doctor / midwife, or the best courtesan in the territory.

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>>11451985
>Urbanite society is heavily predicated on debt based economics
>women who decide that the best escape is to try and rope a slave kith into buying her and buying out her debt
Debt slavery sounds like the most fun way of corrupting women it's just the whole "no one forced you to sell your body" aspect.
She's doing this to herself and it can be used to fuck with her self image.
Values of equal rights/female independence traded for money/safety.

>>11457883
>tethered to their father, or husband, their work is still subservient to men
Related: Women raised on the idea their self worth/self-esteem is built on being useful for master.
She could be a midwife, sex worker or her entire point is being sold/married off.
what ever lewd/degenerate way master uses her society sees her obedience as a good thing.

>>11457463
>slaves living pampered lives
>perfecting slave girls with specific traits such as bloodlines...
Cute in a fuck up way, pampered women born and raised purely as pleasure slaves or domestic servants with benefits.
Skip the existential dread a master decides everything for you and never go a day worrying about paying bills/missing meals.
Wives/concubines are bred like dog breeders with the added fun of race play if master is into that!

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I don't think I'd have the heart to treat a servant bad, I would want to treat them really nice.

the carrot is better then the stick.

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>>11458228
>the whole "no one forced you to sell your body" aspect.
More that the Kith are noble for having absorbed the consequences of her bad life decisions and that she is now bound to them. Her life may be constrained by the expectations of Kith society, but her actual quality of life is typically better. Unless she did something bad enough to warrant getting bought up by a penal kith.
>Related: Women raised on the idea their self worth/self-esteem is built on being useful for master.
The official line is that whatever she wants in life, it is best pursued by working for her master.

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>>11458333
>absorbed the consequences of her bad life decisions
>her actual quality of life is typically better
Hope some kith really lean into the pet girl side of slavery, women having their arms bound, gagged, collared and leashed.
All of it done to make sure they cant hurt themselves or get into trouble when they're not under master's direct supervision.
Being unbound outside master's home becomes a privilege and worming doing non domestic work is even rarer.

>>11458236
>carrot is better then the stick
Also social standing of Masters being tied to how well cared for & trained their women are, as slave women are seen as a extension of their owner.
Like to the point Collars, leashes an etc. aren't seen in a negative light women love their enslavement.
Maybe instead of celebrating birthdays women count the anniversary of being sold to their master.

>>11458550
>turned into a constantly horny petgirl?
That pic, What's the thread's take on drugging women and the more unscrupulous side of slavery?
A woman starts causing trouble so just keeping her bliss out is a option.
Pill that takes away scary thoughts in her head or helpfully turns off some higher order thinking.

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(imagine Norman Rockwell's "Freedom of Speech" attached to this post)
I don't like the posts about murdering, dismembering and eating women. My personal feelings aside, I think it goes against the inherent spirit of patriarchy and makes this thread completely indistinguishable from the slavery thread.

>>11459604
The Patriarchy general was always just a spinoff of the Slavery general anyway, and both are just bondage threads that spiraled into fags ERPing. Don't think too much about it and just enjoy the pics.

>>11459712
I think the point is that when the ryona and/or cannibalism guys roll up then we're not enjoying the pics.

>>11459712
he's right though, patriarchy may be controlling and condescending, but it at least takes care of women in that framework, while slavery doesn't give a shit and sees them as expendable

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>>11460160
>patriarchy may be controlling and condescending
>takes care of women in that framework
Calling master daddy kind of thing going on there.
Raised to obey and don't need to worry about anything other then satisfyingly your owner.

>>11459604
Might be a minor thing but there's a bit more of a focus on slave breeding.
Something about women being born into slavery, cant miss freedom if you never knew it

>>11460160

Slavery is just generic BDSM.

The appeal of patriarchy is the condescension and dehumanization directed toward women and also the motive of reshaping society into an enduring patriarchy. For me the pleasure lies in acknowledging the truth of my biological inferiority as a woman

You have to disregard our emotions arguments and intellect, and understand that we can only imitate and manipulate men our primary motivation is male attention. So while you can "love" women the way you love dogs you can't have illusions about us. Unruly women desperately need to be correctively raped, women's legal and economic rights have to be violently destroyed and overthrown by men who are courageous enough to not be misled by women leveraging our pussy power.

All of this is made clear in all the doctrine of the major abramaic religions and the myth of the serpent in the garden of eden. Free women pose an inherent danger to orderly society.

In my personal experience, spending time around intelligent, dominant, misogynistic and abusive men was a great therapeutic way to gradually break down my leftost/feminist views, but even after I gave up feminism it took a while before my politics swung completely towards militant patriarchy and my "real world" views began to change.

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>>11460868
>So while you can "love" women the way you love dogs
Nah I am far nicer to dogs than I am to slaves. Especially you.

Look if you want to get scolded for being stupid again you should at least post tits. If you eat a ban then we don't get to hear your cries for attention anymore, it's win/win.

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>>11460885
You can have my leftovers. Sloppy seconds.

Women can be treated like toys, pets, wives, accessories, whatever. Generally the master will find slaves that fit their wants. Easier to trade slaves around than train one to go against her nature.

As a happy consequence, sadistic masters will find masochistic sluts, caring masters will find obedient servants. It helps that girls are so vulnerable to emotional attachment.

It's pretty expensive to find women to break and mutilate and dispose of, especially on a regular basis. So those unfortunate lumps of meat are shared in groups.

The entire point is that slaves are property. Just as you don't shatter your TV and get a new one, you don't abuse your slaves without cause. Loyal slaves are so much more valuable than defeated slaves. From a logical and efficiency-centric standpoint, it's just stupid. Give them both the stick AND the carrot, not just one.

I suppose that part's just my view on it. Like to hear well constructed arguments for some other philosophy of ownership.

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>>11460992
>philosophy of ownership
I generally believe that slaves have a chaotic mind that needs the order that comes from living for someone else, not themselves.

slaves will continually make things worse for themselves without chains to guide them. It doesn't help that a slave will so often attach deeply to people, which tortures their simple minds even further. Living as a servile accessory to who they love just comes naturally.

Also >>11460868 I want you to write "inferior" somewhere on your body the next time you try to get my attention. Even if its probably better if you don't post it since I don't actually know if you can catch a permaban for that at least it's entertaining for you to claim you're doing as you're told.

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>>11461156
>write "inferior" somewhere on your body the next time you try to get my attention
Hoping humiliation rituals and Honorifics are part of your patrachy.
Like women aren't just told they are inferiors being rule by the benevolence of men.
But daily life reinforces it, bowing, addressing men with sir/Mr, kneeling beside master at the table, etc.
Collars, leashes are external signs of enslavement but having women internalize slavery is important too!

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>>11461606
Oh with how lowly of a creature that slave actually is "inferior" is a much better slave name than what I assigned it before. Honestly if its going to be this dumb then there's lots of honorific rules it should follow.

>Never address Men as anything other than "Sir"
>Always kneel when in the presence of Men, do not stand as if you're somehow equal unless needed for your service to Men
>Do not pretend you are anything more than a dumb child compared to Men. you might know a bit more about cooking, cleaning, and cocksucking, but only that

inferior is pretty lucky that it's not that horrible to look at honestly. Plenty of other things that aren't quite as high grade that say this stuff to Men and won't even get the pity to indulge them in their needy begging.

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>>11461637
>creature that slave actually is "inferior" is a much better slave name
Cute slave nick-names and fem slur type pet names could be a thing too.
Bitch, cum-dump, cock warmer, etc. done specifically to be the opposite of men having honorifics.
Demeaning in a playful sort of way too, "of course that bitch can read she's happier riding cocks!"

>>11460992
>Women can be treated like toys, pets, wives
related note: teaching of social norms and "how to be a proper slave woman" is done in large part by women.
Mother-daughter, women hen pecking each other or enforcing norms cause of altruistic motives.
More fun when the oppression and enslavement of women isn't just men's project.
But their loyal and ell trained bitches also help

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>>11461680
I prefer "assmeat" as a name for a fresh slave. Suitably humiliating, degrading, and diminutive, my favourite part of the girl is the ass too so it helps reduce her even further to just a extension of me, not her own person. inferior there is a special case.

slaves also don't get called by their actual name that much. Usually being slapped around, just called "slave", or having orders barked at them with "that bitch". If you want to pick assmeat or inferior out of a group just slap the one you want and tell her what to do, the rougher you treat them the better.

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>>11461680
Some other good slave names:

>bootlicker
>footstool
>doormat

Honestly there's no reason at all to call a slave by anything that isn't in some way demeaning. It's best if once you enslave them nobody new they meet ever knows what their old human name was. Master has so thoroughly subjugated every single part of them.

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>>11461871
>Usually being slapped around, just called "slave", or having orders barked at them with "that bitch"
Like to think it's a sliding scale of "degrading" names.
Women at the bottom might not even have names maybe just a alphanumeric tag and that's it.
Think something as insulting has having a nose ring with a barcode and numbers written on it.
Half way up you get insult type names.
And at the top there cute & short pet names just a few syllables long.

At every level names are used to put women in their place.
Just at the top is the softer/paternalistic side of being owned.

>>11462184
>nobody new they meet ever knows what their old human name was
Could have society really lean into this Slaves taught to count their lives only after enslavement.
Master strictly watch slaves for any hind they're trying to use their old name and punish them accordingly.
It's the whole idea that nothing be fore enslavement mattered only or service to master matters.
Obey and you shall be rewarded

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>>11456864
I wonder if it'd be possible nowadays because of social media. Anyone trying to set one would find himself discovered and his face in all news channels.
Oh how I wish I could have been born in this kind of life:
https://youtu.be/qxnKvm3UEsU&t=37

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Anyone for legalizing rape?
If we're already crossing the line with enslavement might as well go all the way....

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>>11463620
You wouldn't break into another man's car and drive it around, would you? Unless, of course, he gives you permission.
In which case the car's "feelings" don't matter, since it's merely property.

Rape is still very much illegal. But using someone else's slave (with her owner's permission) even if she fights back isn't considered rape.

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Cringe and retarded

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>>11463620
It seems like you mean more of a "free use" situation, since like >>11463692
Said, "rape" would make more sense as "forcing yourself on someone else's property" likely extending to things like punishments, sexual acts or even just trying to make a woman who has a private owner do work for you.
I always lean towards setting ideas where slavery is either not universal, or there are layers to it, and those without direct private owners get the least protections. In this way a woman can try and stay "free" but will be subject to the whims of any man she encounters

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>>11463620

I think rather than legalizing rape, rape should be abolished as a criminal offense and converted into a private property offense in which the damaged party is the woman's owner.

Women are biologically hardwired to prefer sex that would be considered "rape" by SJWs today. Women have been conditioned by thousands of years of evolution to be slower, weaker and submissive in relation to men to reduce the amount of force needed. Many women find it far easier to orgasm from being forcibly taken without express consent, and this feeling of complete ownership is essential to create lasting bonding between the woman and her man. This is why all societies after the agrarian revolution viewed women as property of male family members who were traded and sold in marriage as livestock. Basically the idea of "rape" as a crime against women is redundant, women are biologically predisposed to submit and be untraceable. For those who do resist, breaking via "rape" (which they enjoy) is necessary to correct our behavior. I also think in a patriarchy it would be important to negate all notions of public laws enforcing any kind of "rights" for women. We are livestock and property, how we are treated is entirely uo to our male owners. This is not to promote violence or cruelty toward women. It is to promote the idea that man is the god and master over us and that our obedience to our man and loyalty to him comes before all other things. I would expect socially enforced customs rather than government and laws tactile regulate the treatment of women by men.

So in an ideal patriarchy, there can be no crime committed against a woman, except perhaps a misdemeanor offense akin to animal cruelty. The crime, whether economic damages or emotional damages is to her male owner, he is considered the victim, he is responsible for avenging our honor, and it is him who is owed compensation.

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The same goes for crimes comitted by women. Our master is responsible for our training and all our actions outside the home. Both legally and culturally, it is taken as an axiom that women seldom are capable of forming any evil idea without the influence of a man.

I actually think adopting this fundamentally different view of women is necessary to create a true patriarchy. For the same reason it's important to be strict with us, discipline us, and also limit the extent of emotional care or obsession with us. We are at best cherished pets and livestock, but undue love or obsession (simping) toward women can lead men to become corrupted under influence of outnof control emotions.

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>>11464233
>he is responsible for avenging [the slave's] honor
What honor? All he's responsible for is ensuring he's compensated for damages. That, and of course making an example out of he who wronged him.

Things such as "honor" and "status" are not words that can be attributed to slaves. A slave might have pride in her value to her master, but it's not an "honor" to serve him. It's a responsibility, an expectation.

Just as one cannot commit a crime against a woman, a woman cannot be tried for crimes against a man. However, severe (usually public) punishment or even termination of the malfunctioning slave might be enough to satisfy the wronged party.

Should a slave commit a crime with no master (or is owned by the state), by default she's to be given to medicine. Usually, sadistic masters will buy her up for an insignificant sum before that. The promise or threat of weeks of torture prior to termination is enough to keep unprotected slaves in line.

>>11464241

I'm sorry sir, I didn't mean to apply that honor applied to women in an individual sense. I apologize for this idiotically poor wording on my part and it definitely merits correction.

What I meant is that the right of ownership of a man over his women is itself traditionally considered a sacred preserve as is the act of sex and reproduction. A man's right to control access to women should be taken very seriously and, and so trespasses or wrongs done to women and by women should still be accorded the proper weight-- just specifically the law does not allow for the possibility of women to possess individual human rights or be accorded any legal agency. This is the regime that our biology favors and most conducive to social harmony.

I generally believe the patriarchy would be a society of law and order, and sexual debauchery would be carefully regulated by responsible men. It would usually take place behind close doors and with express permission and purpose, for example designated breeding festivals for freshly indoctrinated captives who have shown they can behave well.

I'm sure there would be some eccentric men who would engage in wanton flamboyant cruelty toward their slaves or permit other eccentric practices, this would be tolerated as long as it did not violate patriarchal law (meaning no women with authority over men, learning to read/use technology, or engage in independant commerce) but this would be subtly shunned if it started getting out of hand. For example if there was a plague, an estate owned by a notoriously sadistic bastard who ate women might be the last to receive state medical assistance, if at all, in the hopes that he might die off. Or perhaps if a slave strangled him people would look the other way and just send his women to other estates to be rehabilitated rather than sent to female re education camps for feminists.

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>>11464244
>I'm sorry sir
>sir
>Didn't capitalize "Sir", referring to a Man with the same respect she gives her weird little slave friends

You didn't capitalize the M when referring to Men either. Can you tell me why you're doing this, inferior?

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>>11464156
>he gives you permission.
>In which case the slave's "feelings" don't matter
Less the idea of free use(that sounds fun though) more that slavery takes way women's consent in running her own life.
Master knows best! So just extend that to the sexual domain, anytime, anywhere and obviously she can't say "No"

>>11464233
>>11464235
>rape should be a Property crime
>Women are at best cherished pets and livestock
On that note: what about women being groomed/brainwashed into not even having a concept of consent.
At some point once slavery is so normalized, master fucking his slaves according to his desires isn't something that's questioned.
There's just the eternal bliss of obedience and that's all a slave knows.
So any sort of freedom/self ownership for women becomes an abnormality.

>>11464244
>breeding festivals for freshly indoctrinated captives who have shown they can behave well
Carrot and stick kind of deal, really like the concept of a society that actually rewards women for "knowing their place".
In this case it's being master's breeding bitch, like some Morality flip trope play is fun.
Instead of pushing women into education it's learning domestic or sexual skills.

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>>11464607
Forgive her, she's merely an unowned slave, after all. Merely a woman. Whichever man allowed her to learn to read and have unrestricted/unmonitored access to the internet is to blame. The gift of reading and writing is to be granted ONLY for specific purposes, such as bookkeeping. Her father, presumably, was poisoned by the current culture of feminism. Tragic.

>>11464775
>Women being groomed/brainwashed into not even having a concept of consent [so that a] master fucking his slaves... isn't something that's questioned
Interesting proposal. However, I find it lacking. The problem with removing all women's humanity and dignity is you can no longer take it from them. Breaking in a slave is often part of the fun, especially for a man's first slave, or one meant to personally serve him.

For me, I don't believe I would actively *enjoy* punishing malfunctioning slaves. But I would, and do so cruelly, because the feeling of power when her will breaks and she finally submits would be so extreme.

Training a slave from scratch would be cheaper than buying a ready-to-serve slut, of course, and offer more "customization" at the expense of time and effort. Those trained by a master as opposed to the schools are simply better slaves. Additionally, training her yourself means you get her virginity and the benefits related. No slave can be more dedicated than a slave whose first time was with her master.

So, of course, we need a mix. Slaves "mass produced" by the government and sold for cheap, higher quality specimens sold off by their fathers, and rape-flesh from conquered nations.

In summary, various slaves' attitudes should vary anywhere between "please let me pleasure my Master", "if it pleases you"/*nods silently*, and "stay the fuck away". Other slaves look upon untrained meat with pity, hatred, disgust, or maybe jealousy if she's extremely masochistic. But never sympathy.

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>>11465225
>forgive her

she's just a slave, even if I have more disdain for her than many of her sisters she just deserves a especially hard scolding and beating. I'm not going to give weight to the words and "thoughts" of a slightly more intelligent appliance.

Perhaps asking permission from whatever man she can find if she can post her braindead screeds would help her truly inferior mind. "please Sir, please may slave inferior post what she thinks are thoughts about how Men are truly superior to her Sir!". she struggles with basic surrender and obedience which are not good problems for something morally the same as a coffeemaker to have.

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>>11465225
>removing all women's humanity and dignity is you can no longer take it from them
It's the perverse normalcy of slavery.
Regardless if they mass produced or hand raised by their fathers slave women are programed with a mindset from the start.
Slavery under their benevolent male owners becomes the norm, pleasure and obedience is what they know.
To the point that offering freedom seems like abuse in a slave woman's mind.
Having to run their own life or think for themselves is an unnecessary burden women cant handle.

>Training a slave from scratch
Picturing there's a large wealth/life style gap for these slaves.
Women bred on mass are raised in institutions focusing more on volume to meet demand
Hand trained slaves it's closer to idyllic life in the country with father n mother.
Just with /d/ undertone that everyone knows women are meant to be sold as slaves later.

>Other slaves look upon untrained meat with pity, hatred
On this note, what place would you have for women to help with slaver training.
Something like a /d/ version of Aunts from hand maid's tale?

>>11465387

Watching you tie yourself in knots to reconcile your desire to abuse and degrade women with your reddit tier lefty feminist tranny beliefs is certainly amusing. Why don't you just give in and take the redpill? It's what millions of years of biology wants. Women aren't going to respect you unless you do.

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>>11465503
Nah.

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>>11465503
Personal attacks? Seriously?
Idiot.

>>11466402
>offering freedom [to a slave]
Absolutely not! I merely said that because there is demand for untrained slaves, there will be supply. Whether it be from a protected feminist city owned by the government (for the express purpose of producing breakable slaves) or by conquering other societies.

The default is, of course, obedience without hesitation. After all, having to break in every slave you purchase or use would be exhausting.

>Picturing a large... lifestyle gap
If we assume that the enlightened continent in question is North America, a quick Google search says approximately 625 million people. Under another assumption that our ideal society is created after a decimating event that halves the population, we're working with about 300 million.
The culture surrounding slavery among the entire populace is bound to be extremely diverse. In some areas, a slave might live as something of a maid. Able to go out without express permission, obtain a basic education, perhaps even have a sense of dignity instilled in them by society. In others, they're treated as cattle. Not worth communicating with, not worth a man's time, not worth the effort it would take to turn her docile. Others still might keep women as prized possessions, showing them off in public and taking great pride in the slave's obedience, looks, or sexual ability. Hell, some small towns might even go so far as to make "slave" a synonym for "wife" and live a traditional country life.

My point is that there are bound to be hundreds of unique cultures surrounding slaves. Of course, one thing is common: A woman is decidedly beneath a man.

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>>11465586
>>11465402
Oops typo with the quoted message number.

>What place would you have for women to help with slaver training
The best teacher is example. In schools, teachers are experienced slaves. I'd imagine that role would be a reward for years of obedience and excellent service. Of course, should a man wish to take the whip from her and punish the new meat in her stead, she has no ability to refuse.

Even for a slave who is to be trained by her Master, she takes classes in school, depending on the slave's desired use. Housework, culinary, sex, service, motherhood, etc.
Usually a young man's first slave is an experienced slave, with moderate knowledge and skill across all areas. Second is a fully fresh slave, probably taken from market the day she's put up, then broken by her Master's hand. Of course, training a slave in specific skills is far easier in schools, so she's sent away for a few seasons. By the time she comes back from that cruel place, she's eager to serve her master with all her ability, if only to protect herself from further lessons.

Manors with dozens of slaves might be able to forgo school entirely, since there are enough skilled females to teach new blood. This is the ideal scenario for a generic slave, as the Master tends to either not have time to abuse each slave, or is kind to his property.

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>>11465586
>Personal attacks? Seriously?
>Idiot.

she's a lot dumber than a idiot. Personal attacks still need to come from a person to really count but I have no clue how she ended up so defective.

>showing them off in public and taking great pride in the slave's obedience, looks, or sexual ability.

Yeah that's the kind of slavery I love. A living monument to Master and his domination. Able to instantly put a smile on any humans face, and well known to be the best at sucking cock a slave can possibly be.

A fractured world like that would be fun. Especially taking said personal slave on a visit to lands where she would never get this care and training. Helps with further displays of obedience, seeing with her own eyes what life as cattle could be like.

>>11465590
looks like we have a bitch looking for degrading princess treatment
wants to be treated as a prize and babied but still raped and humiliated

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>>11465593
Maybe. slaves are fucking weird, it's hard to tell sometimes. I think she tries to get a rise out of people and enjoys being talked down to as a result.

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>>11465586
>untrained slaves, there will be supply...
>producing breakable slaves...
Kind of like this idea, an entire "rape fetish industry", cause the norm for society is well trained slaves.
really breaking or raping women becomes a rarity you only get with captives or "nature reserve" types.
Fuck up in a /d/ kind of way, women given freedom/rights purely for the amusement of take it away later.

>make "slave" a synonym for "wife"
That's at least one part of it, should take it further that women are all just default assumed to be slaves.
"Free"/"wild" woman denotes it's abnormal for women NOT to be slaves.
Just find it fun with all this morality inversion type stuff.

>>11465589
>young man's first slave is an experienced slave
>Second is a fully fresh slave, probably taken from market
Really want to lean into the MILF/mommy vibes of this.
It isn't just using mature women(or older sister types) as a practice slave.
She's grooming young women to fit her master's tastes.
Aside from that always more fun when it's women helping to brain wash others.

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>>11464607

I'm sorry Master... i was never good about capital letters or spelling. I promise to correct my mistake. I know i don't deserve to even reply to you but please accept my apology.

>>11464775

>Groomed/brainwashed

Ultimately, that's the society I would strive to create and the inevitable outcome of patriarchy. I also believe it's essential for humanity to continue as a species. The writing is on the wall at this point, given how completely liberal developed countries have failed in ensuring replacement levels of reproduction. Women's education, personal liberty (right to refuse sex) is unmistakeably to blame, the availability of contraceptives is just icing on the cake. We simply weren't meant to function this way as a species. I see the modern day "4b" movement as well as most contemporary feminism as basically a way of subconsciously goading men to overthrow liberal democracy/capitalism and take back their birthright (which is the female uterus) we're prepared to take society hostage to force them. I believe it will start with China and then spread across east Asia and the west pretty quickly.

>breeding festivals

I mean, realistically I expect a surprisingly high amount of women would be quite receptive to it, which would shock and demoralize the more free thinking types. However the race to compete would mean a majority of women would see the writing on the wall and go along with it, as in any imperial transition. Fear brings compliance.

There would be a minority who tried to resist in secret. It would take decades, maybe even a few generations to fully excise this rebellious strain. And it would take finesse to ensure it remained permanent. Nevertheless I believe a "great transition" of some kind is necessary and inevitable

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>>11465225

Thank you for your forgiveness. I really don't deserve such generius treatment but i think you're right that being angry at me or seeing me as in control of what i say is pointless. I'm impulsive and attention seeking like a child, as all women fundamentally are. My father was indifferent to feminism but yes liberal society, women's education, free access to technology did this. Educated, literate women represent the downfall of civilization. And that's not to give credit to women, it's just a derivative effect of social corruption.

>>11465387

Much as we might disagree... I have to admit you do know how to talk to women. I'll do my best to implement your suggestion and be more deferential/ask before contributing. But it's not like I can resist the urge to reply...

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>>11466395
>>11466407
Do people usually pay attention to what you have to say? Where is this confidence coming from? Are there people who think that their footstool has good thoughts on philosophy, and listening to what comes out of it's mouth?

>it's not like I can resist the urge to reply...
Oh I know exactly what you want, inferior. You're lucky that I don't actually think highly of you in any meaningful way.

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>>11466484
Image reminded me of this gem.

What do we think of separated male/female cultures? Here's what I'm imagining:

Human race builds a moon base, free from customary laws and outdated ethics. It's a true "man's space", where patriarchy is taken to it's natural conclusion. Those left on Earth are allowed to live out their petty squabbles. Women still claim feminism, fake men still simp.
But now and again as their broken society crashes, the culture on the moon comes to clean it up. We come with overpowering force, technology, and intel. Fix the mess, knowing it'll come crashing down again in a few months, and take some slaves as payment. Prominent men are allowed to join our enlightened society after a very strict screening process.
After only a few years of this, there are easily ten women for every man. Those on Earth probably reject the change because it's new, but that's fine. They're little more than slaves who bring us slaves, resources, and entertainment.
The females we take are remarkable some way. Naturally obedient, incredibly obstinate, exceptionally beautiful, whatever. Of course, this only fuels the discourse and constant state of fear of those on Earth. The majority of slaves are taken from backwards cities who still believe in women's rights, and must be broken. But her children will be brought up right. Maybe, after 5 or 6 births, she'll be allowed to visit her family and tell them how much happier she is.

>>11466407
>>11466395
If your goal is truly submission, then stop seeking power from unaccountability under the pretext of inferiority. If your dishwasher isn't functioning as you need it to, you fix it. If a self-announced slave like you isn't functioning properly, she'll get fixed. Until such time as a Master takes ownership of you and your mistakes, hold your fucking tongue.
To put it in a way you can understand: Shut the fuck up, bitch.

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>>11466395
>breeding festivals
>high amount of women would be quite receptive to it
Playing into this sort of thing; patriarchy using women's need for social validation.
Master calling you a good girl, women praised for being collared and just general love bombing.
Other end of it is women hen pecking each other to accept slavery plus life long brainwashing of women.
Starting to think most issues of having a "bad girl" get solved by master's other slaves.
Only severe cases are dealt with by master himself.

>availability of contraceptives
>take back their birthright (which is the female uterus)
Fun irony might be a patriarchy that keeps arround contraceptives and the like.
But used only at master's discretion, feminist tools of female liberation turned into chains.

Related topic; is breeding women before they start going baby crazy and having silly ideas about women's rights.
A cum brained and happy bitch is one that won't question her enslavement.

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>>11466484

I'm sorry for my arrogance Sir. i don't think what I say has any intrinsic value. I'm well aware how simplistic and illogical my thought process is compared to Men. I know I don't have the capacity for independant critical thought. But I just feel if I had appropriate supervision and direction, i could be of use to mankind. It's not that I think I'm capable of generating ideas of value, but i want to showcase my submissiveness and obedience. The fact is, I welcome being corrected, I try to modify my behavior, and I genuinely want to obey. Lurking and reading this thread had a big influence on me over time... i credit the men of this thread for indirectly saving me from the poison of feminism. I'm just trying to synthesize and repeat the things i thought i've learned from men who talked to me and influenced me, sharing statistics, research and videos, and also helping me realize that I wasn't a lesbian. I'm just trying to showcase what i've learned, serve as an example for other women and help spread the ideas I now passionately believe in. Please consider showing me leniency ans forgiving me.

>>11466516

I apologize Sir, i thank you for helping me understand how I was wrong. I am a defective piece of equipment jusg like you say. I need fjrm correction from a sterm master who is well aware of my limitations. Although i understand given my behavior that i would be unfathomably lucky if any Man even consider accepting me as his property. I didn't mean to act like i was seeking power or had anything to offer Men except as an obedient piece of equipment, to be used how Men choose, and when they choose. I will stop polluting the thread with my idiotic thoughts and will ni longer talk back to my Male superiors. I will only speak if directly commanded to or invited to by a Man in this thread... and i'll do my best to stay on topic and only respond as prompted. I won't share my ideas again without permission from a Man. I promise. Please forgive me.

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>>11466985

Thank you for your reply Sir, if I may respond:

I definitely think women's need for social validation should be aggressively weaponized against us for sexual conditioning, IQ reduction and instilling the collective "crab bucket" mentality necessary for patriarchal self reinforcement. Basically all women should be connected to an AI enhanced social network from early childhood that doubles as a tracking device and product cataloged. Women earn value through clicks, shares and attention, and the algorithm works to promote submissiveness, political indifference, fertility, beauty, and hard work. This should be easy to accomplish with current technology, neural implants or contact lenses screens would be the icing on the cake to keep our hands free.

A platform like onlyfans can be used to facilitate the transition to female slavery, as it becomes more and more popular until it is created for us at the age of first menstruation. At first, we're earning money and celebrating our "independence" while we're being marched into the digital slave pens. Then, "credit accounts" are launched, and debt slavery becomes legalized to pay it off. The platform can then hire us out on contract to any Men. Heavy government taxes can be used to tip the scales further. Pretty soon, only the top earners have any semblance of "freedom" (idols in guided cages exhtoling the virtues of the system. Gradually, being purchased by individual Men who pay off our debt, to be owned replaces any idea of "freedom" for women.

>contraceptives

I think we're already witnessing a rapid cultural shift in the direction we need. With the growing popularity of "your body my choice." There is a more and more of an open political push for early pregnancy and marriage, a growing rejection of feminism, college, and female careers. (Replaced by AI). Social media is also quickly becoming refined mind control. I'm personally excited to see what could happen in the next few years.

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>>11466991
You're even worse at being literate when you're grovelling like that. Is it because you're trying to type one handed? Is begging like that making you especially horny?

Did you also write "inferior" somewhere on your body like you were told? If you can't follow basic instructions like that then I don't know why you even look at this thread.

>>11467122
Fuck off asshole

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>>11467017
>sexual conditioning, IQ reduction... AI enhanced social network
>promote submissiveness, political indifference, fertility, beauty...
The AI use (under strict male supervision) also opens up another fun way of grooming women.
Total surveillance making independent thinking & decision making useless for women, so they don't develop it as a skill.
No existential dread, just a life time of being master's good girl and immediate positive validation.
Dark side to it is emotional manipulation, punishment hurts more when they're used to being loved/praised

>onlyfans can be used to facilitate the transition to female slavery
Looking at the ends state of apps like this is fun too.
Every woman having their data harvested to refine a online slave market.
Idol industry brings up the point of masters managing their slave's online image for the sake of sale.

>push for early pregnancy and marriage
More /d/ but patriarchy that's sex positive.
If she isn't being sold off as a wife, then breeding festivals and sex work is an good alternative.
It's the Idea of women living to serve taken to it's furthest extent.

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>>11467017
Fuck, why does this hit the spot. This is all so scarily plausible, with many teen girls already gleefully showing off their bodies on social media and starting an onlyfans on their 18th birthday like it's no big thing. They're taking an active part in the commodification of their own bodies, and you're seen as a prude for pushing back against it. The traditional right wing and the Silicon Valley techbro sphere are quickly merging into one big interlinked ideological monstrosity, and the latter group keeps inventing new tools of mass manipulation and dumbing people down. I don't want to believe that this is the future we're headed for, and yet imagining it unfold makes me so fucking horny that it won't leave my brain until I rub myself to orgasm.

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Series of questions for all here (even slaves):

In your fantasy, how harsh is the treatment of slaves in society? Gentle and loving, rough and cruel, something else?
How widespread is slavery? Niche past time a few people get up to, completely and fully adopted?
Gender ratios? 1:1, or something more extreme like 1:100?
How eroticized is slavery? Slaves are used only for sex/emotional satisfaction, slaves' purpose includes each and every thing his Master wishes including menial labor?
What are the social dynamics between slaves? Too beat down/stupid to care, supportive and sisterly, vengeful and competitive?

For me and my ideal household, I'd take to a gentle albeit superior approach. Manor run by slaves who are genuinely happy to be there. Punishments are swift and extreme for intentional disobedience, but merely uncomfortable/monotonous for genuine mistakes. I'd rather my manor be the only estate in the area that actively practices slavery; makes obtaining new slaves easier and establishes my name among the powerful. Of course, aside from my sons, I'd be the only permanent male resident in the building. I'd have a few male hired hands that I'd rotate out every few months for the more difficult grunt work, but they'd live in a separate building to prevent interaction between them and my slaves. Perhaps 8 men and 35 women in total.
Slaves owned by me are expected to do everything in the household. Maidwork, caring for the land, nursery duties, managing imported and exported goods, etc. I have final say over all, of course, but the day-to-day is completely handled by my slaves. There is no greater honor than for a girl to be called to my room, especially if it's frequent. Because of that, slaves work hard to be recognized for their work and even harder to please. I purposefully keep some rivalries going between individuals or groups. Because of her nature, a slave will perform better when she's able to show up another.

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>>11467745
>how harsh is the treatment of slaves in society?
You get a bit of everything. Slaves don't exactly get a say in how they're treated by in Kith society the rule of thumb is that you're no more physical in your treatment than is necessary to get what you want.
>How widespread is slavery?
Slavery is so endemic that women functionally can't exist outside it in Kith society. The women who manage to buy their freedom usually end up doing it for superficial reasons or to ensure their master's legacy. One of the more common folk tales told to girls revolves around a slave wife who's husband is murdered so she buys her freedom so that she can raise his sons in peace.
>Gender ratios?
Depends on the cohort but typically 1:4 to 1:10 men to women.
Men are ironically disposable. Kith society doesn't have much of a place for men who aren't the first or second born of a patriarch and the expectation is that they forge their own life. Which does lead to a hyper-competitive society where unless you're the inheritor of your father's business you're building your own little empire. Which includes an element of risk. If not outright murder than committing some offense that turns you into a slave and then you're off to the mines.
>How eroticized is slavery?
Very. There's a tall vertical slice here but female slaves can be anything from a cock sleeve and sexual relief to slave wives. Patriarchs usually have one or two designated 'favored' wives but their obligations usually mean two or three political wives. They'll try to get along with them well enough but it's usually just a perfunctory relationship.
>What are the social dynamics between slaves?
It's usually a harem environment. Kith society is hyper-sexualized and there's usually only one guy- who's incredibly busy with his own life- responsible for the satisfaction of 5, 10 women. And those women usually have their own attendants and servants. There's usually a pecking order between the slave wives and attendants.

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>>11467745
>How harsh is the treatment of slaves in society?
Ultimately, how the owner decides.
The point of slaves isn't 'to treat them harshly' it's to use them to facilitate your needs, whims and desires in life. They are a tool found in society, not an objective caste to enforce society around.

>How widespread is slavery?
Entirely Ubiquitous. Exists almost everywhere.


>Gender ratios?
1:1.

>How eroticized is slavery?
Slaves exist to fulfill any reasonable request. However law admits that there are some things, such as hard manual labour, that slaves cannot be reasonably expected to complete, and a common social perception on the role of a slave being, if not an erotic one, then a pleasure-based one. While some slaves may be uses in commercial uses, there is typically an element of allure or eroticism in it.

>What are the social dynamics between slaves?
Varies. A good slave owner, who owns multiple slaves, will maintain a good, healthy environment where his slaves are disciplined, attentive, mentally and physically healthy, and get on well.
However, it is unrealistic to expect owners to put the desire to not burden slaves above their own personal wants at all times, and some slave owners take pleasure in causing extreme exhaustion, suffering, or a hostile culture between their own slaves.
Though these are typically looked on as 'degenerate' behaviors by most decent society, and slaves can be repossessed on grounds of animal abuse if their treatment is too poor.
You can't just stick them in a dog kennel outside all year and feed them on expired food from the pantry. You do that, you go to jail.
The hallmark of a good slave owner is inspiring loyalty in a slave, enough that the slave admits it, even when she cannot be punished for speaking wrong.