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Is quality work even possible in this wretched day and age?
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>>2974858
If you really wanted to do it you could. Everything besides the really curvy part is just straight miter cuts. The really curvy part could be traced with one of those contour gauges to get the inner outline and then your wood stock bandsawed to fit, then approximate an outer curve that looks decent and matches up to the other trim. Then grind a card scraper to match the profile of your existing trim and scrape the new trim in.
So yeah it's possible, will anyone take t the time to actually do that? Depends entirely on how much you are willing to pay them.
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I think that alot of poor people wound up with creaky old rich people houses in the 1960s-2000s and then looked at like their next house with cheap ikea decor and just shit their pants at the idea of something that isn't cheap and cheerful 90 degree angles.
yeah you couldn't afford that shit 70 years ago either I'm sorry but that's reality.
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Yeah, quality isn't dead. It's just skewed. You can cut trim with a miter saw and look like a hero for lining up 45* cuts, because the average person can't do it.
It was the same way back then, but instead of being a guy with a miter saw and a garage, you were an extremely specialized finish carpenter, who was feeding his family with very specific work. It still exists today, but you can imagine how expensive the labor would be, due to 99% of people being satisfied with a Home Depot miter saw, and some guy they hire on {whatever}.
Fine furniture, craftsman homes, all still exist. In fact, there are more craftspeople than any other time in history. Same goes for painters, musicians, etc.
This looks like it was partially carved by hand
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>>2974905
>some one with skills
Someone with the skills would bash this out on site quicker without driving back and forth to their workshop and pissing about with trial and error programming while still needing hand finishing. It would only make sense if there were many exact pieces of trim to carve, which is unlikely - there are probably lots of unique pieces to fuck about with.
A proper craftsperson has the vision and just grin and bears the work because it has to get done and there aren't real shortcuts like you see on handy youtube hax to make reddit cuboid cuckboy furniture.
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The only way forward in business today is to run your own, find some sort of union or organization that has defined advancement opportunities laid out ahead of time, or to cram you head far up the asses of the top brass while they fuck you.
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>>2974976
Meaning that doing quality work will only plant a target on your head. You'll be compared to the cheapest shit contractors then be expected to clean up their messes then questioned why they're faster.
Just give your ass because corporate or management is going to take it anyway.
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>>2974931
At least he posted a cute image. Although i assume he's the mediocre ragebait >>2974917.
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The quality and craft "exists" but only the rich can afford it..or really who can bother to do it. Everyone else gets meximelt labor from run of the mill contractors and stock materials available. It's not so much harder to /diy/, you just need lots of tools to refine material. Also there is not as many "permahomes" to bother with this type of shit anymore or people who own houses don't live in them for life anymore so they don't give a fuck. The second their children get the house they either sell it or become the slumlord and turn it into a low maintenance rental unit. Think of it like Japanese house building only we have the foresight to know not to spend a ton of pointless work on it since it's just going to be demo'd or "not my problem'd" in a mear 30 years. Basically anything without bricks or a slate roof is dogshit no matter how many copes your realtor comes up with, nor how many walls you used Sherwin Williams on.
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>>2974858
this shit just looks tacky and tasteless. I get that it takes skill and effort to make a complex shape like that but who the fuck cares. The novelty of living in a fancy house wears off in less than a month.
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>>2974858
Yes it is.
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>>2974858
That reminds me of something I saw on an old 1920s school. It looks like the molding was plaster, but why the hell would they do plaster instead of real wood? was it cheaper/easier?
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>>2977442
That is how they used to do it. All those super fancy ceilings you see in old rich people's homes? Plaster, not wood. There would often be a wooden backer but it was plain and you wouldn't see it. Even single moldings were done this way. Wooden moldings were low end. This is how far drywallers have fallen. It used to be an actual skilled trade that employed craftsman.
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>>2977467
>Wooden moldings were low end.
PLAIN wooden mouldings were low-end. Machine-made decorated mouldings were firmly middle-class and hand-carved wooden mouldings were still the province of the rich.
>This is how far drywallers have fallen. It used to be an actual skilled trade that employed craftsman.
Drywalling =/= plastering
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>Drywalling =/= plastering
It used to be one job. 'Drywall' was originally 'gypsum lath' and was used instead of normal lath and a scratch coat. It was one of a dozen products used to replace lath a hundred years ago. Instead of having to put in lath, then a scratch coat, and then wait for that to set up, you could nail up drywall and start on the brown coat. If you were really cheap you'd go straight to the finish coat. No waiting. Then they developed spray-on textures and other shit that can hide the fact that the wall wasn't very flat. So, no more need for any plaster coats at all. Just tape up the seams and spray it with something. Maybe knock down the spraycoat if you wanted to be fancy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1CACkgUJcU
Same thing has happened with plumbers. I remember when they are all hyped about PEX and how easy it is to install. Now PEX installers get paid much less than someone that can do copper but not enough people want copper pipes to make a living at it for a general plumbing installer. With tract developments it is all speed, speed, speed. Plastic pipes, compression fittings, solvents, and glue (for the drain lines). This is for residential stuff only of course. Real plumbers barely do residential work anymore where I live. Only custom home builders hire them.
Shit, it is getting tough to find anyone that can even work on copper pipes. I wanted to add a sink to my garage and called a few guys to come out for quotes. When I told them I didn't want them to just slap a sharkbite coupling on it and run some PEX, that I wanted actual soldered copper lines run to the sink they thought I was crazy. Two guys told me straight up they couldn't even do soldered copper. Meanwhile, my neighbor had a 'professional' PEX and sharkbite repair fail on him twice. You'd think it would be foolproof by now but they seem to make better fools every year while the old stuff just keeps on working just fine.
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I remember some faggot architect on youtube talking about how old buildings had those elaborate outside walls because it was all layers made to guarantee water would never get in and nowadays it's all panels with caulking that fails in a few years and leak
>>2977467
I hate that shit, it feels like if it ever got dirty or anything at all hapened then it would be a hassle to fix
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>>2977816
Making moldings in situ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78hem4-AUXM
Making panels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6yp2dp5IVo
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>>2977408
>because they care more about the work being finished before their next cocktail party than about a job well done
More like it's the contractors are rushing through jobs to get them done so they can extract the shekels and move onto the next.
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>>2974858
Sure, I used to do this stuff and still would if it would not require me to move to a city of more than 20k people or travel. Your picrel is not particularly high quality, decent but exploiting that no one is going to look all that closely so perfect is overkill. Might just be parallax, age and filth, hard to say from just this photo.
>>2974919
>cardboard templates
Nah, you just scribe it right onto your work piece, takes 5 seconds. Cut the outside curve with your coping saw, remove the bulk of the profile with chisels, fine tune with a couple scrapers ground to the profile, cut the inside curve, clean and fine tune the inside with your knife and nail it up. Takes about 15 minutes to do it to the quality of OP pic, 30 minutes for perfection. If you had lots to do you might make a scraper shave or two to speed the work. Learning to do something like this is easier than learning to get good at coping, you don't need perfection here and small variations will never been noticed, there won't be a gap emphasizing the flaws.
Good luck getting your 3d printed molding to look like stained wood, even if you manage it, it won't last, the wood will darken, the grain will either become more pronounced or get lost as to wood darkens and your faux finished 3d printed molding will stare at you from across the room.
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>>2974858
You've got rationalism, modernism, and the Bauhaus to thank for that.
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>>2981724
Is it really craft when its ugly as shit and didn't actually work? Craft requires skill and skill means you know what the fuck you are doing. Take this stepstool for example. Oh, wait, my bad. That is a Bauhaus chair. It is like these fuckwits designed the shit, never sat in it, and were like, yeah, people would like this. On to my next travesty.
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>>2981771
That is a piece of multi-use furniture for children, it can be used as a desk either standing or sitting, it can be sat on as either a low or a high chair and it can be used as a step stool. Most children would have no issues with putting that to use, wouldn't even have to show them how it can be used for all those things, stick it in their room and they will figure it out.
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Look at this shit. Might as well have slapped it together with shit from Home Depot. I've literally seen better chairs made by those Pottery Barn obsessed chicks throw shit together using pocket screws and construction lumber.
>>2981847
And it sucks at every one of those tasks. You ever sat in a comfortable chair with a flat bottom? Nom 'cause they either carve the base out so it fits your ass or they put a cushion on it. What about a back rest that is the end of piece of wood a half inch think? Man, gotta love it. Fucking visionary. So, its a shitty chair, a shitty step stool, and a shitty desk. Congrats, they made a piece of shit x3.
>>2981925
The Spruce Goose is 78 years old and it still looks great too. Ain't hard to look sharp when you don't do any work. Who puts furniture together using exposed screws and finger joints? Morons. It was clearly used more as a step stool than a seat by the wear patterns. Congrats, its less useful than an old apple crate. At least that you can flip over and carry stuff in. This piece of shit's only second use it to make children uncomfortable. You could get the same effect by having a picture of you for them to look at.
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>>2981941
They are only uncomfortable because you never learned to sit in a chair. Flat bottom and uncomfortable backs used to be the norm and it was not because they did not know how to make "comfortable" chairs, it was because they knew how to sit in a chair, only put your ass on it and not your thighs and sit up straight. Backs on things like dining chairs were there so the man could easily pull out and push in his lady's chair. Once you get back to the 19th century most chairs had uncomfortable backs, even if upholstered and not chairs meant to be pull out and pushed in, they were for there aesthetic purposes. Up until recently there were only a select few situations where it was OK to recline into the back of a chair, so most chairs were designed to only be comfortable when sitting properly.
Industrial revolution meant there was a great deal of money to be made selling chairs to people who never learned to sit in chairs, so chairs were made to be "comfortable."
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>They are only uncomfortable because you never learned to sit in a chair.
Would you listen to yourself? Jesus fuck. Should I replace my mattress with a sheet of plywood? Better not, 'cause I didn't learn how to sleep properly I guess.
>Flat bottom and uncomfortable backs used to be the norm
It was the norm because crafting comfortable chairs was hard and a skill to be valued. It was easier to make a cushion for them. Every household had a seamstress back in the day. You couldn't get clothes off the rack. Cushions, curtains, clothing, fabric covers, table clothes, it was all made at home. Same with upholstered chairs. While some educated trust fund welp might have to go to class to 'learn how to sit' I guarantee you normal people sat how they felt like in normal looking fucking chairs.
>Backs on things like dining chairs were there so the man could easily pull out and push in his lady's chair.
Which is why the husbands chair at the head of the table didn't have a back, right? You are so full of shit.
Picture related is something a craftsman produced. Look at the seat. I have a chair like that. The dished out seat is a key feature of the type and they are quite comfortable for a piece of wood. And yes, you can lean into the back of the chair without issue. It was not a mass produced chair either. Shit, some of the oldest chairs of this type date to the early 1700. Things like wing chairs, which you were absolutely expected to lean into, are even older. 1600s. Look at actual medieval paintings of chairs and people sitting. Christ you sound like a fucking moron.
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omg how will my fat cigar smoking ass ever be comfortable in this modernist bauhaus chair?
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>>2974868
Eh... Sometimes things can be like trends, I'm a locksmith and no one wants to buy bronze handles/deadbolts/etc. Save for brown folk, they love that shit, I also have a personal rule that if anyone tries to haggle, I up the price. For some odd reason, only brown folk try to haggle.
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OMG NOT ONE OF THE MOST POPUAR CHAIRS EVER INSPIRED BY THE BAUHAUS CRAFT AESTHETIC!!!!
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>>2974858
Yes, just not where you expect them. A prominent example is the movie and TV industry, there's a whole infrastructure of craftsmen who still know how to do these historic styles, and suppliers who make historic-style mouldings and other trim for them to use. There are also people who specialize in restoring and maintaining historic properties.
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>>2977504
Nobody wants to copper solder cause if you fuck up they know they're getting got on their insurance. Also if you got copper you have an old house which means there might be a failure hiding behind a simple fix. It's a bummer but part of the deal, goes hand in hand with old shit
>t. Fixlet with a 1929 house