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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

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Greeting and salutations brothers. May we all have thick and healthy hair.

Is 2.5mg Dutasteride a meme? I’ve seen the study from 2006 and although 2.5 has the initial edge vs 0.5mg at the 12 week mark, it seems to even out at 24 weeks.

>>18680428
Definitely overkill with a high risk of sides

>>18680428
idk but apparently blocks more scalp dht

>>18680447
Could achieve the same by just stacking topical fin

Thoughts on PEMF hats?

Seen people gain growth on it.

>>18680465
It might help a little bit but I would say snake oil more or less. You're gonna go bald no matter what without a DHT blocker.

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About 5 months into finasteride, I went through a massive shed in my hairline and the top of the scalp around 3 months in that seems to have stopped but now I'm experiencing an even bigger shed on the back of my head, what would typically be the donor area for the transplant. I thought hair from that area was DHT resistant and wouldn't be affected by treatment? Anyone else had an experience like this?
Anyways, my phone camera is broken so I can't take progress pictures but compared to pic related, I'm happy to announce my crown area actually started covering up nicely, but post shed my hairline and the widow's peak in particular look thinner than ever so I'm just waiting for the new layer of hairs to come in. Anyone got an idea how long that should take?

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>>18680477
The donor area isn't immune, just typically. Personally I think there should be up to a Norwood ~7. A couple weeks post shed you should see increased hair count but it will take a couple months for it to be more apparent.

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>>18680477
As the other anon shows, the true “donor” area is much smaller than you think. I’m a diffuse thinner and you can see how my density is compromised in every area on my scalp besides that band of hair a NW7 man has.

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Whats your guy's experience with brainfog and does it clear up?

Took my first 0.5mg dut capusle yesterday and got pretty immediate brain fog. Feels like my inner monologue is obfuscated and I can't think as clearly. I'd describe it as low-mid level brainfog. Made me feel somewhat ''heady'' as well and zoomed in. Nothing too extreme but enough to be moderately noticeable and a bit upsetting.

It's not a placebo/nocebo as I had no idea before taking it that these effects could come about. Has anybody had any experience with this?

Happy to hear about experiences on fin as well with brainfog.

>>18680540
it is a placebo retard

>>18680540
>Took my first 0.5mg dut capusle yesterday and got pretty immediate brain fog
Dut does not go into your brain + you need a week to build up enough dut for it to even be effective at blocking 5ar, you psyopped yourself into getting side effects.

>>18680541
>>18680542
its a known side effect and it does enter the brain. maybe it is placebo for him tho

>>18680540
I'm sure you had at least some idea about side effects existing, just not the specifics. It's probably a product of the initial anxiety of starting a new medication and you started ruminating on that mild reaction to being nervous whether you were aware or not. The problem is that you've now gone all OCD and have convinced yourself of a negative reaction loop. It's tough to overcome you just need to stop thinking about it and move on with your life, no more worries about hair.

>>18680541
>>18680542
I wasn't aware of it as an effect before I took the pill and had been feeling it for a while before finding that out, i don't see how it could of been a placebo

One pill does effect your chemistry still, and can cause the neurosteroid deffiencies that lead to brainfog.

>>18680563
the fact that you’re one day in mentioning neurosterioids and got started on dut instead of fin like 99% of people makes what you’re saying extremely sus

>>18680563
>>18680549
One pill is not enough to cause any side effects, you guys have no idea what you're talking about. It can take up to a month for you to build up enough dut in your system for it to actually start blocking 5ar, it's why you still need to take finasteride every other day for a while if you switch to dut otherwise your DHT spikes after a week and you go through a shed.

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>>18680564
I did a tonne of research (well reddit and grok expert mode LMAO) and found out that dutasteride provides better protection against balding and more regrowth to a substantial degree than finasteride, with the same percentile of side effects.

I've found out about the neurosteroids after researching the brain fog I felt.

I feel the brain fog is too substantial to be imagined, or placebo. My plan is to try the dut again once the brain fog subsides, and if it doesn't work that time lose more weight before going on it again (being fat can cause defiencies in allopregnanolone)

Other than that if they don't work out i'll try fin. But this brainfog is genuinely quite substantial.

it's gonna be wild how I'll have been bald almost my entire life and then far into the future I'll be an 80 year old with a full head of hair kek

>>18680534
damn, i have the same thing as you.
is this really hair loss?
i only have this spot when the hair is around a couple cm's long.
long hair and and really short hair, it looks normal

>>18681045
>is this really hair loss?
yes
and its the worst kind bc you risk losing your donor area and not being able to get a transplant. could be caused by stress, inflammation, etc.

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>>18681045
I used an extreme scenario (short hair + flash + dark room) but yes, that’s diffuse thinning AKA hair loss. You can see my crown in daylight here, it’s see-through but the thinning isn’t as apparent. And with medium to long hair styles my crown looks normal. My stack was fin daily and now I’m dut daily; I don’t do topicals. It has gotten a little better on dut but I likely need 5+ years of treatment to get my scalp hair looking anything like the DHT-resistant horseshoe hair under harsh lighting.

I've been on 0.25mg/day fin for over a week and so far no sides. Will progress to 0.5mg/day and probably hold that dose as long as I can tolerate it. I just need stability until GT20029 comes out.

>>18681379
I told myself that I’d “wait” while cruising on fin too, but here I am, on Dutasteride 0.5mg and 2.5mg oral Minoxidil daily and I had a nuclear stack with topicals before. The only way you’ll be satisfied with low-dose Finasteride is if that is enough to get back your pre-recession hairline, to be honest, since it seems that is the goal you’ve ostensibly set in your mind with a future treatment. What drives you crazy is waiting to see if these drugs are doing anything, since it takes months for visible results (and topical minoxidil needs to be used with a retinoid or else you might end up being a non-responder). We only have to go through this because our past selves were too foolish to not start popping Finasteride the second our hairs started miniaturizing and enjoy our NW1 forever.

>>18681389
I am only NW2 with diffuse thinning but it started almost three years ago and has progressed very slowly. Getting my 25 year old hair back would be great, but failing that i'll accept stability. I'm not desperate to see gains but i'm hopeful for future treatments. Hopefully my hairs haven't permanently miniaturised.

>crushing up finasteride pills and mixing into minoxidil and applying to the scalp

Has anyone tried this? AI is telling me that the finasteride should dissolve and it should work. I figure this is much safer than taking the pill systemically and I could get by using .1 mg per day so its going to save money as well.

Thoughts?

>>18681429
Yeah but you're going to be applying a thick off-white paste to your scalp by the time you break enough pills down. I remember calculating yearly scripts wouldn't offer enough fin needed to create a proper strength topical.

>>18681417
I was also NW2 before treatment and am like 1.5 now. Hair greed is a real thing, and in truth your face and its proportions (facial thirds) will never look right with anything that wasn’t your original head of hair. Sad but true.

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perfect hairline is overrated unless you're like 20
just grow that shit out it hardly matters man

nw2 is fully serviceable
this is why I'm gonna opt for minimal hairline touch up and focus on density up top

>>18681721
Growing it out (to cover your NW2 hairline) or getting a cope fringe/curtains isn’t viable for all of us, most men look best with short or medium length hair. This guy would look a lot better with the original width of his forehead instead of the current receded one. It looks like his forehead is wider than his cheekbones/jaw even though his original hairline probably wasn’t. But the grass is always greener, NW4+ dudes wish they had that hairline.

>>18681721
It matters if you’re not married.

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>>18680534
>>18681045
>>18681062
>>18681071
I have this. This pic is from 5 months ago. Not sure if you guys have gone to a doctor or a dermatologist to get yourselves checked out or not, but in my case, I have hypothyroidism, which causes diffuse thinning across the entire scalp, that includes the back, the sides, and the top, so it's uniformly sparse rather than the typical pattern you see in AGA. I've also lost a ton of body hair and some eyebrow hair, I can't even walk without my thighs and that middle section between your balls and ass rubbing against each other and causing discomfort. Anyways, along with the hair loss, also came some form of Seborrheic Dermatitis. My scalp itches like fucking crazy, I have red pimples on my scalp and nizoral and dermarest didn't help, in fact, nizoral made it burn so I stopped using it, so at this point I think I'm going to try and see if something like aloe vera might help to hydrate my scalp since hypothyroidism causes skin problems. Anyways when my hair loss first started back in 2023, it came with this white gunk on my crown that I could scrape off with my nails and it smelled awful, somehow it went away on it's own, but the hair loss continued. To finish this off, you guys should go see a doctor to rule anything out.

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And here's the side, also thinning.

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And finally, here's a good close up of that cowlick section underneath the bathroom light, recently got a haircut but somehow it didn't turn out this bad, maybe because I asked for a 4 rather then a 3 on the sides, regardless, get yourselves checked out. I'm currently in the process of switching medications since levothyroxine was causing some really bad side effects.

>>18681739
>>18681741
>>18681743
I have no experience with your scenario, but have you tried other medicated shampoos besides niz (ketoconazole)? there’s like zinc pyrithione, selenium sulfide, piroctone olamine, climbazole, etc? and to be honest from the front it looks like your hairline is receding anyways, i’d say it’s worth trying fin either topical or oral since at least then you can rule out AGA and focus on your other causes of hair loss

>>18681746
No, but I've heard of them so I will be checking those out.
And no, my hairline hasn't receded, it's always been like that since I was a kid to a teen and to now, an adult, already made the comparisons using older pictures and already had a dermatologist look at my scalp a year ago, AGA has been ruled out.

>>18681748
I’m going from the side view so that could be the case, idk if you care enough to show a hairline comparison. But the only way to beat AGA is to beat to the punch, which is to start treatment before you visibly lose ground

>>18681749
As I said, I already visited a dermatologist, and he told me the hair loss is being caused by the hypothyroidism, not AGA. My doctor also found out I was deficient in vitamin D3, calcium, and magnesium which is also contributing to the issue. I'm planning on switching from levothyroxine to either tirosint or levoxyl since those are the better options for thyroid issues, and of course the supplements, as far as minoxidil is concerned, I might use it to speed up the regrowth once my TSH levels and everything else is in check. Since my hair loss isn't being caused by AGA I don't see any point in using finasteride or dutasteride.

>>18681751
I’m just saying, you’re already going through hair loss, it happening again later due to AGA would be devastating, no? I guess you’d be vigilant enough to start treatment for AGA whenever that happens, so I get it. In any case, hope you find a treatment that works soon anon

>>18681752
Nah I'm good, I don't think AGA should be a problem considering my dad and both grandfathers have hair, one thing my family from both sides does have though is thyroid disorders. Thanks though.

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ive always had a big ass forehead but im 27 and these pictures worry me. also i don't have good photos to compare so i don't even know how bad it actually is

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i also haven't ever had my thyroid hormone levels checked or anything i dont have a young healthier reference if my levels are fucked

>>18681787
>>18681788
>>18681791
>>18681792
Dude…do you have to ask? You’re Norwood 2/2A and progressing…

What do we think of Bimatoprost for hairloss?

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>crown gets a bit itchy sometimes

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in general which style of electric trimmer is best for the head? I've heard that foil shavers don't have enough power?

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>>18681923
if you're truly at /it's over/ status it's time to just wigmaxx
stop raping your scalp with razors my man

>>18681925
no, I'm too lazy to wet shave, I'm sue as hell not willing to do all that once a week while also finding a new job in a different town.

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I was at the pub last weekend. Trying to chat up a blonde. We met earlier in the night and had joked a couple times. Seemed alright. And my confidence was up because an older woman, fifties easy, had tapped me on the shoulder and told me I was the best looking man here. So, I approach the blonde. Continue our previous banter. Then she says to me 'you have the same hair as my baby'. Laughing. She pulls out her phone, shows me photos. And her baby has a full on horseshoe. with just a few thin wisps on top. I pretended to be really hurt by what she said. As a joke. But, I wasn't actually pretending very hard either. Because, I am receding. But, I didn't think badly. Didn't think super noticeably. Just a maturing hairline. And, I've always had a widow's peak, so maybe it looks like full blown norwooding to an outside observer. But, I don't even have a bald spot. She hit my insecurity like a sniper. First time I remember someone hitting me with hair-loss like that. Unprompted. Other than times me and other men have been discussing the topic and told me I might be receding. But, that was in the context of mutual respect and honesty within a safe-space. Not bullying. I don't know. My hair is clippered #1. So maybe that's all she meant, I have a round head with short hair. Look like a baby. Or she was negging me. And it actually was a little jab. Or, she was a fair bit shorter so maybe had a bad angle looking up at me and I did look very bald from her perspective. Or, she was subtlety trying to mention she had a baby. Get me to stop trying. These possibilities were rollin through my mind drunken. All seemed likely. Either way. Wind out of my sails. Conversation quickly died. Wake up call to stop telling myself my hair is OK?

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>>18681925
>just spend hours every week meticulously tricking people into thinking you have hair
Truly dishonorable.

is it even worth trying 0.625mg oral minoxidil? i got side effects from 1.25mg that wouldnt go away after over a month, but eventually went away from discontinuation months later. on day 1 it caused eye pain/discomfort, i guess from blood pressure changes. i havent tried 0.625 so idk if i would get side effects again. ive been on fin for 6 months and now instead im on dut 3 for months. it seems like miniaturized hairs are growing longer than usual fair (although they havent fallen out yet); before they just stopped growing, no thickening yet though. not going to do topical minoxidil.

>>18682029
It's not possible to have sides for over a month with low dose oral minoxidil. The drug is incredibly short acting and is does not accumulate in cellular tissue. Your blood pressure would return to normal after about 2 hours since last dose on 1.25mg, a day max with 5mg+.

>>18682049
i was taking it daily for over a month and the side effect wasnt going away until much later when i quit the drug. blood pressure and heart rate changes normalized very quickly after quitting the drug though. im 100% the eye pain was induced from the drug though because it happened as soon as i took it.

>>18682056
So your sides persisted after quitting or not? Increased blood pressure and heart rate are not inherently dangerous as long as you are still within a safe range and your health is not being impacted. That's just the trade-off and if it's not worth it to you then don't take it.

>>18682058
yes, eye pain persisted for months after quitting

>>18682062
You shouldn't take it then. More than likely psychosomatic than some sort of rare lasting damage. 0.625mg isn't ineffective but I wouldn't take it if 1.25mg isn't tolerated. Better off with what you feel safe taking long term.

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if you're this far gone and this is the best density you can do for an HT, would it still be worth it to you?

would there be ways besides fibers, to mask that crown density like with sea salt spray/mousse or something? idk

>>18682105
yeah i'd be perfectly happy with that. but am also old enough where the after pic would be much more accepted.

>>18682111
yeah this level of hair for a 50yo man would be totally acceptable
probably less so for a guy in his 20s

>>18682105
It's fine, under normal lighting I doubt the average person would consider this anything but a full head of hair.

>>18682192
That hairline is a problem though, looks artificial and pluggy. The bane of every transplantee for the most part

>>18682193
looks better than no hairline tho

>>18682194
Yeah but I would rather have a denser receded hairline than taking it all the way to a squared off, but whispy one.

>>18680385
Hello placebo retards I have taken dutasteride 40mg per day loading dose and it just works 5mg/day. Stacked with oral liquid minoxidil my hair is thick af.

>>18682203
Being a PFS believer must be hell.

Anyways, as you probably know the oral min basically kicks shit into overdrive. And it makes lashes and brows thicker. Add some tint to that and you'll add to your looks. Shit is pretty great. I might add some of that stemoxydine to my stack as well just to see what happens

What's the point of lower dosages if it builds up and evens out eventually? It just changes the time horizon, nothing else.

subliminals work

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can we post baldspo here for those already too gone who need to just start dressing for a skinhead style and getting fit?

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>>18682249
get the head tattoos
it's time

>>18682249
>>18682255
Tough, keep em coming.

>>18682203
Good for you, if I could get 3.0mg+ dutasteride compounded for sane prices I’d do that daily. DHT is a total meme. Also, I’m pretty sure a “loading dose” is bro-science since the efficacy of the drug depends not on its half-life or blood/tissue levels but rather the half-life of the 5AR enzyme itself.

>>18681925
The problem is that you can't be around anyone who has seen you before the wig. You would have to move to a different country or state. And then you have to do it everyday. You can't go outside without the wig even once. And then if you get a gf she will find out and dump your bald ass. This shit just ain't feasible. Wear a hat or take the tranny drugs.

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Ive accepted my baldness since I was 20. Shave it clean every week since I can grow a decent beard or rock a mustache but sometimes I miss customizing my hair for a look. My hair looks like >>18682105 if I let it grow but I don't since bald fits me. Wonder how other baldies around here feel about so many men going for transplants/drugs, if there's pressure on them do it, etc.

>>18682249
Yes please but my baldspo is fictional. He's my fit inspo as well, I shall attain this body no matter what

I started using topical minox 2weeks ago and it’s giving a persistent headache on the application area. Will it subside or no? Im already using it only at night and only like half of the recommended dose so I cant really cut back on that…

>>18682766
The alcohol might be irritating your scalp. Try foam or oral min if it doesn't go away

>>18680540
Ignore the others, I had this to a T and the only side I was aware of was ED. It's not a nocebo, at least not for everyone. Try low, lower, and lowest doses, try topical, but ultimately being a brain dead retard with no working memory isn't a life worth living. Hail Mary a hair transplant and then when that fails just chrome dome it with the inner peace that you did everything you could.

I had extreme brain fog but that went away, and then came the ED, absent libido, and watery semen. I checked my levels and everything was good with high T. Sucks.

>>18682794
Shit just happens when you get older. My 20s vs early 30s are a night and day difference with libido. A big part of it is mindset too.

>>18682806
My libido was pretty high a couple months ago. Nothing to do with mindset, I'm not a woman.

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any place I can reliably buy cheap fin?

>>18682894
It’s dirt cheap for generics at any pharmacy, provided you have a prescription ofc. Alldaychemist seems legit, but you never know with those kind of sites

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I've noticed the sides of the front of my hair line is starting to thin out pretty bad over the past year or so, should I start taking dut or fin? not sure if dut would be too overkill

>>18682770
The foam version of rogaine has even more ethanol than the liquid.

>>18682934
Yeah I fucked up its actually the propylene glycol that can have a reaction

>>18682812
Yeah it kind of felt like a lightswitch for me too, predating using fin btw. How old are you? Nearing/past 30? A lot of people cite 30 as a changing point.

>>18682922
Always start on fin and for most people it will be enough to halt balding indefinitely and regrow any recent loss. If you are not satisfied after a year of fin you can look into minoxidil and finally after that consider upgrading to dut.

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Is it worth grabbing one of these for $75?
Part of me feels like this red light fad is all snake oil but I don’t know. People also say some brands are better than others, would this be better than nothing?

I’m on vitamins, supplements, rollers and minoxidil. Is it finally time to take the finasteride pill?

>>18683008
You should have started fin yesterday. These tools and supplements only exist as a too good to be true alternative to the scientifically proven meds, they target the timid and uninformed and capitalize on fear. Seriously you are going to do all of these things on top of wearing a fucking helmet blasting lasers into your scalp than just take fin? It's insanity, really.

>>18682894
Depends on your country there is no one answer for everybody.

Has anyone gotten wierd tingling or sometimes itchy nipples / breast area? it happens every so often, and i get hives on my chest. are these early symptoms of gyno? how should should i keep taking it?

>>18683040
on fin, forgot to mention

>>18683040
Yeah it's a common side effect at the start, it lasted maybe a month for me and subsided completely after a year or so. Never turned into any gyno and it's been 3+ years. The hives are not from finasteride unless you are having an allergic reaction to it which is unlikely as your only symptom.

>>18683043
shit u got balls. i stopped for 2 days now cuz i heard gyno could form as early as a month, but if it's a common side effect i might just continue. that's really the only side effect i've gotten, no ed or issues with libido. thanks for the info

>>18683047
Yeah it's scary, almost quit many times, glad I didn't. Just got to push through it all until you stop caring.

>>18683011
Alright I’ll skip the tech options. Im a dumb poor fag with little to no experience with insurance, doctors or prescriptions. Is it worth taking saw palmetto, pumpkin seed oil, nettle extract etc to achieve the same effect as finasteride naturally?

>>18683067
No, not even close. Get fin at all costs. If you live in a developed country you can google for a telehealth service which will write you a prescription. If you are in the US you have many options to choose from, I would recommend amazon health
https://health.amazon.com/onemedical/Male-hair-loss-treatment/dp/B0BVC7BBN2
$30 for the initial consultation and then $6 a month for your supply of fin. If you are not in the US shop around and find a comparable service, good luck.

>>18683070
dr.b will also give you a fin AND dut prescription you can give to any pharmacy chain for 15bux with minimal questions asked, surprised by how easy it was to get dut

What are your thoughts on the minoxidil finasteride combo topical sprays?

>>18683094
Messy, less effective and more expensive overall compared to the oral variants. If you truly can't tolerate the meds orally it's a good backup, otherwise no.

how bad is the "shedding phase" of fin/dut?

>>18683040
In clinical trials, gyno/nipple sensitivity is literally the rarest side effect, much more rare than even ED. If you weren’t on fin you probably would not have thought anything of it. It’s like thinking you need a root canal because of fin or that you look older after 10 years of taking fin.

>>18683114
Depends on the person. I didn’t notice any shedding making my hairline look cosmetically worse when starting, but I had slow burn recession for 5 years that only progressed to NW2 before I stepped in with fin (now dut). But I saw a lot of baby hairs sprout near my hairline that would grow for a couple inches and then shed, until some of them became strong enough to be real terminal anagen hairs. Some hairs also stayed in place but sprouted thicker from the root if that makes sense, a few even had tips that were depigmented (severe miniaturization). So, don’t fear shedding, when you’re on treatment it’s always a good thing,

>>18683102
Is that also the case for topical minoxidil vs oral? Swear I read about some recent study that showed there was no big difference

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How did Hunter make balding cool?

>>18683129
DHT growing chewbacca tier hair everywhere but the top of your head is some kind of sick joke that tells me God isn’t real.

>>18683128
Yes. Enzyme activity on the scalp is the biggest bottleneck for optimal minoxidil results. Most people are lacking in SULT1A1 activity which leads to a poor response. You also have to contend with proper application, longer hair amplifies this. Under the best possible conditions it may be comparable to oral but you would need to apply it to your entire scalp to even be in the same league as it.

>>18683116
yeah which sucks even more, but maybe it means that my breasts are more sensitive to estrogen.. do u agree with the other anon and suggest i continue to take it?

>>18683157
The only alternative is dutasteride which is technically more “potent” but they are different drugs and some people who have issues with fin do great on dut. But if the problem is aromatization of test into estrogen then you likely will have the same problem, since the extra testosterone from fin/dut will aromatize. How long have you been on fin? Gyno doesn’t take more than a few months to form, if you’ve been taking it for months without gyno then you should stick to it. There’s nothing else that works for male pattern hairloss.

>>18683167
I took it once for like 2 weeks and felt that sensitivity and itchiness in the breast so I took a 3-4 week break then hopped on recently again for like 10 days. After the 11th day, i got the same symptoms, which makes me believe either my breasts are very sensitive to the rise in estrogen or it's my hormones try to settle and adjust to the new changes. did you face something similar to that? i think ur right about the aromtization, like my breasts just can't take it and will grow into full blown titties

>>18681923
All electric trimmers leave stubble. Just use a normal razor under the shower. After getting the hang of it you won't even need shaving cream.

>>18683172
I’ve had no problem with nipple sensitivity or gyno yet, I used fin for years and now dut for years. But I never had gyno growing up. I understand your apprehension since gyno can’t be reversed once it happens, but that’s also true of severe hairloss. If I were you I would save my hair and bite the bullet to get the surgery that removes gyno. It’s a lot cheaper than a good hair transplant (and you still need to take meds anyway). My only symptoms on these drugs ever were a lowering of libido that stabilized over time. Or try dut instead and see if you feel any difference. And aren’t there drugs/topicals bodybuilders use to avoid gyno when taking steroids? Look into those too.

>>18683176
yeah i was looking into things like serms and AI's but apparently they also have side effects, one of which being fucking hairloss, and if i need to stay on another drug to combat the high estrogen in my bitch tits, then i'd rather get that surgery. do u know if gyno can still grow after the operation? i heard recurrence is pretty low but not 100%

>>18683178
I think there’s the type of surgery that removes fat around the tissue which can lead to gyno again, but if they remove all the glandular tissue then it can’t come back.

>>18683172
Brother many thousands of people experience a bit of sensitivity when starting fin, you can search any hairloss forum and find the same thing being reported, they didn't get gyno either. The sensitivity you would experience for gyno is not a little sensation, it's full blown pain when touching the area and a noticeable amount of tissue swelling. When you see a symptom being reported for gyno or any other condition in a medical report it is ALWAYS to the extreme unless explicitly stated otherwise. You are overreacting over what amounts to nothing.

>>18683181
ur probably right and i'm even might be giving myself a nocebo thinking about my nips so much, wow that sounds gay. you know i heard 20% of all gyno cases come from some kind of medication which gets me worried, but if other people are reporting the same thing then i guess i'm fine. i'll just take it for 1 month consistently and feel my tits for lumps every week

>>18683186
Be gentle and do so sparingly or you can irritate the tissue and add another layer of worry.

>>18680385
Thoughts on using a topical with fin/min/tret all combined in one?

>>18683191
not a bad idea, but it's probably more expensive than just getting each one separately

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/topical-bicalutamide-the-ultimate-guide.138249/

I'm making this but using tablets. Does anyone know where I can find a source for pure bicalutamide powder from China?

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Is it better to be a manlet with hair or 6'2 and bald?

>>18683735
both are bad. i’m here so obviously i’m going to say being a manlet with hair is better, and i’m 6 feet tall. i’d rather look like tom cruise than vin diesel or the rock any day. so even though you can be attractive bald, i still pick the manlet with hair.

>>18683735
Probably plenty of people who would trade places it all depends. I would rather keep my height but if I was uglier it would be a tougher call.

>>18683735
i'd rather be 6'2 and bald

>>18680535
For all the drugs he's running the physique really looks like shit

>>18683735
The manlet can get a leg extension, gaining ~20cm in height. The baldcel can take meds and get a hair transplant. Honestly with so many hair loss cures in the works right now I would rather be 6'2 and bald.

>>18684317
>leg extension
>~20cm in height
Do they add copium to fin now?

>>18681925
I saw a man with a hair system peeling off at the back and that convinced me i'd never feel comfortable with it. If drugs and transplants don't work i'll just be bald thanks.

>>18684317
>Honestly with so many hair loss cures in the works right now
pretty much all of them are bunk
the most promising one is VDPHL01 and that's literally just because it's minoxidil

everything else will fail almost certainly

>>18684467
you might be right but why are you so certain they'll likely fail?

>>18684491
It has been proven time and again that DHT is the smoking gun when it comes to male pattern hair loss. And once you hit your genetic age (determined in the womb) where MPB kicks in, DHT will miniaturize your follicles until fibrosis and scar tissue is created, which is irreversible. That’s why regrowth in slick bald areas is considered miracle tier and impossible once the arrector pili muscle has detached from the hair follicle. So either they create a better hair growth stimulant than minoxidil (hasn’t happened in nearly 50 years) or they find a way to literally turn back the cellular clock on your scalp. Not happening in our lifetimes. You will be 50 years old on fin/min and maybe they will have robots who recreate (to the best they can) your juvenile hairline with a transplant.

>>18684609
If regenitive stem cell therapy can continue to advance then targeted hair follicle regrowth would definitely follow as a top 5 cosmetic use for women, trickling down to men naturally. I doubt there will ever be a cure, but there will be a near perfect option to fix it maybe within 50 years.

>>18681925
how can you be christian and wear a wig?
all aspects of it is a sin
it's like lying to people everyday
and you also don't accept your body how god made it

>>18684633
if there was a just god baldness wouldn’t exist in the first place

>>18684635
God sent two bears to maul a bunch of teenagers that were making fun of the prophet Elisha for being bald(they were probably going to beat him to death after they were done mocking him too). There's a lesson in that.

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>>18684317
>The manlet can get a leg extension, gaining ~20cm in height.

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What am I in for?

>>18684692
Depression and heart palpitations.
Dutasteride is very strong stuff. I take only a fraction of the (topical) dose they recommend and it still impacts me in a significant way. I don't ever get depressed about anything, by the way, which is one of the things they ask you when you get on Dutasteride. I don't think it matters whether you're prone to it or not. It happens on this stuff.

>>18684692
a limp dick and some hair regrowth

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>>18684698
>>18684707
Fuck I'm excited

>>18684609
i'd be happy with a hair growth stimulant better than minoxidil because of minoxidil side effects

>>18684692
My face got a bit puffy for a week or two when I started oral min and my eyebrows got really thick, no heart stuff. If you get sides from dut just switch to fin, I'm sure you'll be fine if you are relatively healthy mentally and physically.

>>18684698
Topical dut has a molecule weight which exceeds the 500 da rule meaning it is not passing the systemic barrier in a meaningful way, in other words you are imagining your symptoms.

>>18684692
bro how did you get oral min prescribed
then again, I'd still rather dose out 12mg oral min with a dropper, way cheaper.

>>18684698
The min palpitations only come from starting with too high a dose, acclimate over a week or 2 and you won't get any sides.
First week I was on 5mg oral min, I took a second 5mg dose at night to see what would happen and it made me incredibly horny and kept me up all night.

>>18684766
What's hard about getting oral min? It shouldn't be a problem unless you are european or something.

>>18684750
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with limited knowledge or competence in a domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence.

>>18684787
Topical dut does not go systemic, I will grant you until the end of time to pull up any data suggesting otherwise. Sorry you're just mentally ill, it's not the meds.

is fin affecting skin or acne just placebo? i thought it doesnt block the type of dht found in skin

>>18684790
It will lessen hormonal acne yes, DHT is DHT. It used to be prescribed to women for that reason, maybe still is rarely.

I feel like my throat is dry is that a side of fin???

>>18684802
no

>>18680385
How bad are Turkey Hair transplants? I saw a youtuber went to one, and recommended me the same clinic, but reading from leddit. I'm told to avoid Turkey

>>18684808
hair transplanting requires the skill and finesse of actual surgery so don't go for clinics competing on price alone

>>18684808
You always get what you pay for. Obviously a $3k turkjob is not going to compare to a reputable surgeon in the west charging $15k. Don't cheap out the results are permanent without additional surgeries.

>>18684828
>>18684814
My issue is I have traction alopecia. I went a American doctor, and he was asking for 7k, the one Turkey clinic I looked at was asking for 3k.

>>18684829
Then decide if a lesser result is worth saving $4k

>>18684829
Traction alopecia is usually worst at the hairline, and that’s the easiest place to get butchered and end up with a “hair plug” look. Low graft survival rates and donor over-extraction is another risk when you go to a hair mill. Don’t cheap out.

>>18680385
I keep long hair. Is it balding if I can see my scalp without my hair being wet? I mean outside of my part, just above my forehead, i don't part it but I can see my scalp, especially after I massage my hair with coconut oil

>>18684893
First of all, yes, read the OP. Pull your hair back and look at your hairline, is it straight across from edge to edge, or does it form an M shape?

>>18684893
Post a pic of it under direct light and you will have a guaranteed answer

>>18684808
It depends on the clinic, do your research, look at results and if possible talk to people that have done transplants at that clinic.

Will you get results if you use too little topical minox? I only need like 0.3-0.4ml to cover the hairline +inch behind it. Or am I getting all the negatives without any gains

>>18684633
>and you also don't accept your body how god made it
Are christians also not allowed to get chemo because god specifically created Timmy's body for him to die of leukemia at 4 years old?

Holy fuck, how often will I have to shave my head? I took the buzzpill 2 days ago and I already feel like i'm starting to get an intense norwood shadow

>>18684938
It works where you apply it. Mix it with tretinoin or adapalene if you feel like it isn’t working, some people are non-responders to topical minoxidil.

>>18684960
Keeping the clean shaven bald look is ironically a lot more work than taking a fin pill a day

>>18684893
>Is it balding
Yes.
If you have to ask, it's over or close to.

>>18681721
of course it matters. sweat wind rain will fuck up your cope fringe and reveal non existent density and framing. NW1 is the defualt state.

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Why aren't you using copper peptides on your hairline and crown? Why aren't you microneedling with GHK-cu?

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>>18685164

>>18685164
>>18685165
because it probably doesn’t even grow 3 hairs per cm^2 for all that effort and cost. Time has shown that anything besides Fin/Dut/Min is not worth the effort. Unless you take spiro and get estradiol injections because you are willing to troon out for your hair, or need RU because you’re a roidhead on something besides exogenous testosterone.

>>18682894
>any place i can buy a cheap generic cheaply
Have you tried literally any pharmacy ever, genius?

the proper fag board is really slow (and retarded most of the time) so i'm asking here
do i as an actual tranny still need fin/dut? Some apparently still make DHT somehow even with the test gone but at the same time many say that they are fine without fin/dut so idk.
Also does age have some effect on regrowth? My situation is pretty bad at NW 2-3 but i'm in my early 20s so is that a source of hope or a cope?

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>>18685330
thats how you look like irl

>>18685361
I've never seen a balding tranny because estrogen literally regrows hair and is easy to buy like steroids and that dude isn't taking any.

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>>18685361
i'm not that mentally ill. would never go outside looking like that or even tell anybody about being one while looking like a regular dude

>>18685370
>estrogen literally regrows hair
but to what extend i wonder. there is no clear consensus and people who supposedly regrew a lot of hair are often accused of having done a transplant.

I'm not quite on hrt yet but i'm really close so i wonder if i should even bother with getting a fin prescription in advance.

>>18685382
You will want to do everything alongside HRT as a NW3 and even so the best case realistic scenario is reversing .5-1 norwood scale. Eliminating 100% of DHT and Test will not regrow a receded hairline and nobody knows exactly why but it's much harder than recovering density from a diffuse pattern loss. You are basically locked into a typical male hairline if you do not opt for a transplant. I'm not one to judge but objectively this will not be doing you any favors and you should perhaps reconsider because you will inevitably look like this >>18685361

>>18685394
>is reversing .5-1 norwood scale
i also heard some people say that you reclaim stuff lost in past 1-3 years. Is that bullshit and only NW matters or is time also a factor?
>and you should perhaps reconsider
i know. this has been on my mind for quite a while and made me hesitate a lot. however i am a little lucky that i don't care about people seeing me as a guy for now. so i thought about presenting as one until i have the money for a transplant and other stuff.

>>18685399
That information is likely pertaining to thinning cases which can be recovered with far more accuracy when factoring in time and regimen. The hairline specifically following the norwood scale is unlikely to recover regardless of what you throw at it. You will see it gain some density and square off at the rounded temple points but it will never lower back down to a norwood 0-1 especially from 2-3 in 99.9% of people. There is no going back without surgery. Keep in mind transplant clinics do not have expertise in re-creating female hairlines (there is a difference) and your result may be less than desirable, especially if you ever decide to be a man again.

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>>18685403

>>18685403
>unlikely to recover regardless of what you throw at it.
I know i know. There is no avoiding transplants and other similar things in this case. That i already made peace with.

Now how i make the best of what i already got? Is there any need for fin/dut if in most cases DHT should be suppressed alongside 'regular' test?
I am already on minox for a little bit and i think i can see some baby hairs where there weren't any before but i could also be misremembering what it looked like before. There's potential if its the first case is what i wanted to say i guess.

>>18685409
Yes you will still have test.

>>18685411
not with hrt you don't. i think there's a bit of confusion. i'm just asking of there is any need for fin/dut on top of that or if hrt alone solves the DHT problem so much that those are not needed at all

>>18685412
Yes you do even with hrt.

>>18685412
You need such little DHT to ravage your hair follicles (only 10% of the testosterone in a male body turns into DHT), it’s best to take fin/dut irregardless

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>>18685403
>Keep in mind transplant clinics do not have expertise in re-creating female hairlines (there is a difference)
To be fair, there are surgeons who will lower a female hairline and give a great result. It generally involves FUT (better graft yield, scarring doesn't matter since women usually wear their hair long).

honestly why hang on to thinning hair
i shaved yesterday
feel better and free

>>18685523
thinning is easier to address with drugs. when you have the typical pattern of male hair loss, your follicles get obliterated with nothing left there except scar tissue.

>>18685522
I feel like this wouldn't translate well on a broad male skull

>>18683735
I see 6'2 bald guys doing way better

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Isn't it bizarre that anyone living in the developed world could ever blame a nutrient deficiency for hair loss. Fucking bulimics have full heads of hair simply due to genes and nothing else. You need to be a tortured Auschwitz prisoner to experience genuine telogen effluvium or nutrient related hair loss.

>>18685648
usually a nutritional deficiency is caused by some kind of autoimmune disorder, especially thyroid issues and diabetes, it's mostly a symptom rather than the actual cause.

>>18685648
to be fair some people are fat but still have poor nutrient intake for hair, so some really thin people can be even worse, but yeah it's usually androgenic alopecia that's mostly causing balding even if youre far from ideal in vitamin and minerals intake

>>18685652
and what are your thoughts in terms of autoimmune conditions?

>>18682894
everyone is recomending legit pharmacies but im jus tryna get some off the gray web with no perscription. We're zoomers here, we don't wanna talk to a doctor thats scary. Video calling an indian is even more scary.

>>18685660
you're going to get grey market fin from india then, tough shit

>>18685662
i don't care where its from bro

>>18685660
You go to a dermatologist. They’ll prescribe a whole package deal and then throw it at you like candy. It’s nothing to be scared about.

>Go in because of folliculitis
>Notices my diffuse thinning
>”Are you interested in treating that, Anon?”
>Walk out with a grocery list of prescriptions including face wash just because.

>>18685667
okay i will try it. I need to go for other things anyways. Just as long as you promise it'll be okay

>>18680385
if your head looks like yaqub, then you must shave it to exert power over the peons

>>18685660
U can just do telehealth which will hace you upload pictures and then make a quick call.

Or do all day chemist (pls no ban if I'm not allowed to say that)