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When will you realize that Debian was a lost cause more than a decade ago? It was infiltrated by Red Hat ever since the systemd debacle in 2014. All the Debian old guard went to Devuan.
Enjoy your elections, I doubt it will change anything no matter the result.

Switching to devuan

>>108558885
Devuan still uses the Debian repos, it just blacklists systemd. If Debian goes to shit, Devuan will too.

What do I switch to then

>>108558870
Why must we play this game of "It's over. Time to move somewhere else" every single time? So many good projects with important roles get taken over, and just leaving and letting them do whatever they want is literally just letting them win. I don't understand why this culture of giving up is so prevelant, but it's why things are so bad right now.

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>>108558603
>Current DPL Andreas Tille has proposed rejecting all non-signed emails after the goyim redpilled too many voters in the mailing list kek
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2026/04/msg00001.html

>>108558999
there is a lot more work done in devuan than just using debian repos without systemd, and in the eyes of the devuan maintainers debian already went to shit, which is exactly why the project exists.

>>108559214
They used patch packages to remove their dependence on systemd but now they dgaf and just blacklist anything that has systemd as a dependency.

>>108559076
Have you thought of contributing to give your opinion some weight? Maybe improve Debian for everyone in the process? Of course not, you entitled manchildren wants to dictate how Debian should be run but refuse to do the work required to become the leader.

>>108559308
>refuse to do the work required to become the leader
I don't have a vagina, so I'm disadvantaged compared to Sruthi who can just push her husband's commits under her own name to get street cred.
>most female Debian developers are the wives of other developers

>>108559338
No, you're disadvantaged because you're retarded and lazy, quit making up excuses for your pathetic existence.

>>108559352
Why should I have to participate in a project that advantages Sruthi? The other Anon was right that moving to another distro is the best choice. Debian will be long fucking unfixable by the time anyone in this thread will have risen through the ranks enough to become DPL.

>>108559368
Because actually participating is the only way to enact changes, do you really think whining anonymously on 4chan is gonna affect anything?

>New Debian Developers/Maintainers from Nov–Dec 2025
https://bits.debian.org/2026/01/new-developers-2026-01.html
Sruthi saw that and was like "Needs more jeets!"

>>108559407
I question the premise that we have a responsibility to contribute to Debian, rather than to other distros that are already more accommodating.

Why Debian? How long do you estimate it will take to rise the Debian ranks? Will Debian still be salvageable by then?

>>108559462
You're free to keep being a leech but that's the thing about parasites, if your host shrivels up and dies you have no choice but to die alongside it.

>>108559308
Why contribute to Debian when you could contribute to Devuan?

>>108559214
Devuan was forked because they had a melty about SystemD. That's it. You're still codebased on all the upstream, so if Debian goes to shit, unless Devuan is going to "hard fork" it's going to shit as well.

>>108559532
Because Devuan is just a badly made copy of Debian? You're free to contribute to whatever you want but if you refuse to contribute to Debian why do you make these threads trying to influence how Debian is run? Like what makes you think you're entitled to do so?

>>108559505
How is contributing to projects other than Debian being a "leech"?

>>108559601
>why do you make these threads trying to influence how Debian is run?
You're not even replying to the OP (Me) lol. You're gonna find that these threads aren't a hivemind but do being together people frustrated with the state of Debian.

>>108559568
yeah, it's like the chromium forks.
they don't have the capability to fork all of debian's projects to make a new distro.
at the end they'll be forced to do whatever debian decides. for instance if debian drops i386, they'll probably won't have the time/computing/people to keep it alive by themselves.

>>108559638
bring together*

>>108559623
Has Devuan contributed anything back to Debian? Maybe help them maintain an important but badly maintained packages? If they haven't then they're nothing but a leech distro.

>>108559660
Who said Devuan is the only other choice? There's plenty of other stable distros to move to that aren't Debian-based.

>>108559642
Firefox forks are the single biggest piece of cope in existence. All of them are just about: config edits for vanilla FF lol.

>>108559671
If that's how you want to operate, just fleeing like a pussy every time someone you don't like takes over then be my guest, just try and stay out of Debian for good this time.

>>108559407
then stfu already faggot
>>108559568
>had a melty
and go back

>>108559671
List them then. Besides Devuan, The only stable, server suitable distro that I know is Alpine. Alpine it's great, but we don't have much choice of systemd-free server distros.

>>108559765
>and go back
>crying over words
UH-OH, MELTY.

>>108559642
>they don't have the capability to fork all of debian's projects to make a new distro.
I mean, they could. If they weren't so upset about SystemD and only SystemD.

Their main selling point is "you can run Debian with whatever init you want!" and it's like "great, but I can do that myself... why do I need you?"

>>108558603
u guys should vote for me i will change sudo defaults so created user is in sudoers out of the box

>>108561536
technically u can, i ran debian recently with sysvinit as my init
it also supposedly supports runit
devuan used to just be a package blacklist but has evolved to have an openrc/runit implementation over sysvinit and makes package services for those inits so theyre a bit more usable than just debian with sysvinit instead of systemd
problem is their installer sucks whale dick

>>108561536
>only SystemD
there is no such thing
which is the entire issue

>>108559308
I agree with that. That is the other side to the point I was making, by giving up on something you lose all ability to enact change. The best thing you can do is contribute to something you like, so when they try to ruin it you have somewhat of a say.
I do get why some people are hesitant though, given how many people have been kicked out of projects they've spent a lot of time on, but then you're just giving up because there is a chance something bad may happen which is gay.

>>108559959
OpenSUSE Leap, RHEL clones, OpenMandriva, Mageia

>>108558870
What does this Mouette character think Debian is about?

>>108563202
Seeing as this Mouette character has an @debian.org email address, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that he knows more about what Debian is about than you.

>>108563313
What is the answer to the question?

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>>108559710
What else can we do?

>>108558603
LET'S GO

>>108558603
Fuck
It's drawing closer

>>108563332
the real deal:
ff pre memory leak release (around 3-years ago, 8 GB RAM was about enough), the tough part would be to implement all the new w3c compatibility (I imagine), but maybe you could get away with carefully copypasting from their repo

>>108564710
The Firefox memory leak meme only happens on Windows

>>108558603
Thank you for the naan, sir.

>>108565329
I doubt it, very much so

>>108566498
Firefox has never used more than 5 gigs of RAM on Linux for me. That's still a lot...but it's way worse on Windows.

>>108566645
big if troo

>>108558603
Yaaas slay girl!!! We need to vote her in to own the chuds and defeat Donald Trump's America!

>>108559462
>Why Debian?
Because Debian is the golden child. It's the one distro where everybody, even people who don't use it, can put aside their autism to respect it. If you lose Debian, you lose your fucking balls. Shit needs to change and it needs to be Debian.

Test

The hour is fast approaching. Her reign begins in 4 days. What's the female form of Maharaja or Raja or Sultan?

>>108564710
what about palemoon?

>>108563202
>>108563313
Mouette is the leader of GNOME packaging on Debian, of course this is not surprising someone like him has the same GNOMEtard mentality as Ebassi

https://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/01/27/people-behind-debian-josselin-mouette-founder-of-the-debian-gnome-team/

>>108559715
emotional stability of a woman (male)

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>>108559308
I'm not the guy you were responding to.

Why can't those who use Debian have a voice here? I have Debian on every machine I own. The success of the project is very important to me, because I use it every day. Debian is also one of the only actually relevant community run distros. Its continued existence is an important part of the entire FOSS world as a whole.

I don't think it's entitled to say that someone who is not technical, who has apparently hardly been part of the project in 3 years, and whose repeatedly stated main goal is not technical advancement of the project but political activism is not a good fit for such an important role. That is her main goal, by the way. I'm not bullshitting. And her definition of "diversity" is just getting more indians into the project.

I've read every single one of her replies on the mailing lists (which is the most active she's ever been on the mailining lists, as before she hardly used them), and these are her goals. She gives wishy washy non answers to everything but these political/activist subjects. She doesn't understand the FOSS ideology. Her platforms (of which there are three or four different versions now for some reason) repeatedly talk about things that are contrary to the Debian philosphy.

It is ridiculous to say that those who use the project cannot complain about events that make it worse. Obviously we shouldn't expect volunteers to follow our every beck and call, but that's not what's being discussed here. What's being discussed here is that the current only person in the runnings is unfit for such an important role.

>>108567356
I haven't respected Debian in 15 years.

>>108562999
debian is still the only distribution, except niche like LFS that has
>hurd support
>kfreebsd support
>netbsd support
>init freedom, but you need >100iq
>stable AND rolling releases
>supports binary package and source packages (apt built-dep)
>strong big endian and i386 support

rocky is the only stable alternative to debian for servers (outside of paying for rhel), but it's bad for desktop and rolling releases

also mandriva was killed twice in the past, once over copyright infringement, i wouldn't trust it with my life.

>>108568414
Saar quickly we must adopt greater caste-based surnames to defeat her bloody izzat.

>>108568998
so join Debian. in 3 years you could be DPL.

>>108568618
Ironic coming from a pussy whose first instinct is to flee like a bitch. LMAO.

>>108568998
>Why can't those who use Debian have a voice here?
>Obviously we shouldn't expect volunteers to follow our every beck and call
You just answered your own question, also since your entire complaint is that she shouldn't be allowed to be DPL just because she's brown do you really expect anyone other than mentally ill /pol/ browsing losers to even listen to you?

>>108569790
No, his argument is that she's nepotistic and racist.

>>108569463
>>kfreebsd support
Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is discontinued anon...
>>netbsd support
what?? elaborate more on this
>>init freedom, but you need >100iq
Replacing systemd isn't trivial, you have to recompile packages and modify DEBIAN/control files to remove dependencies on systemd, or use raw dpkg if you're lazy. Devuan already does that hard work is basically debian with proper init freedom.
>>stable AND rolling releases
Debian sid is NOT rolling release, it is rolling development, plus sid packages are still outdated compared to arch.
>>strong big endian and i386 support
Didn't Debian 13 announce they will be dropping 32 bit support?

>>108569962
didn't know kfreebsd was discontinued.
but debian can be used with the netbsd kernel

debian sid isn't strictly a rolling release, but most critical packages that need stability testing land in experimental prior to making it to sid. also the difference in update frequency when compared to other rolling distros is minimal, often by only a few weeks.
and you can use debian clone of aur to get updated packages, or simply build-dep to build them from source.

also i checked and i386 is still officially supported.

>>108568592
Does he know his comrade Bicha is a rapist?

>>108569790
>she shouldn't be allowed to be DPL just because she's brown
Freudian slip. Anon said she's inactive and has no stated plan to tangibly improve Debian.

I have 2 Debian mini pcs, 3 Debian servers and Debian webserver, should I start looking for alternatives?

>>108570690
Should've looked for alternatives a while ago honestly.

>>108563328
That question is nothing but a weak attempt at guilt tripping the Debian developers.
>NOOO BUT THINK ABOUT MUH FREEDUMZ
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU I CANT KEEP USING SYSVINIT
>WHAT ABOUT MUH CHOICES
His response is 100% correct.

>>108569857
>>108570488
Really? If you really have no problem with her being Indian then why call her "Pajeeta"?

>>108570690
There's a chance they NotA her (I think this is unlikely, but who knows). Even if she gets in, I'm hoping there's a chance that she will have minimal impact, either because she's incompentent or because the other more competent members of the project silently step in behind the scenes and defang her ability to impact the project.

But if she gets in, it is definitely worrisome. I'm confused on how much power the DPL actually has. I know the DPL is in charge of the projects money, which she has clearly stated she wants to use for diversity initiatives (though she did say that she would prioritize eg server costs over diversity if it came down to it). A similar major power of the DPL is appointing people to important positions, kind of like the supreme court or something. That is also a bit concerning, given that she may be able to restructure Debian. But once again, who knows.

I think it's worth staying until things actually go south. Perhaps they don't go south. It's never a bad idea to look at your options though.

>>108571009
No, the question is "What is Debian about?"
No one cares if you feel guilty answering it, because the purpose of any project would be readily apparent.

>>108571047
There are multiple people in this thread...

>>108569790
If that's you're only takeaway from all the criticisms people have made then you are either A) Indian defending your izzat and butthurt by the pajeeta and naan posts B) Still mentally stuck in the COVFEFE era where you could ust go "its because you hate PoC" and get upboats on Twitter/Reddit

>>108558603
>Current DPL Andreas Tille has proposed rejecting all non-signed emails after the goyim redpilled too many voters in the mailing list kek.
Isn't the whole point of the mailing list to be open?

>>108571595
Who cares what it's about? It's certainly not about capitulating to parasites like you who can only demand without ever giving back.

>>108572267
>Who cares what it's about?
Anyone who has ever downloaded Debian or developed for it cares. So can we get an answer?

>>108572360
Anyone who has ever downloaded Debian or developed for it knows what it is about. You're the only one here who is confused.

>>108570001
>but debian can be used with the netbsd kernel
This is useful because...
>debian sid isn't strictly a rolling release
sid isn't rolling release of any sort because the packages aren't release quality. It's just a development track, no different from Fedora rawhide or Arch unstable. Actual rolling release has a testing period of at least a couple weeks before packages go to end users. sid just pushes things devs know are broken.
>debian clone of aur
Because that turned out to be such a great idea for Arch and totally doesn't lead to pathological user behavior.
>i386 is still officially supported
They have enough packages to debootstrap something, but you have to roll your own kernel. Not supported by any reasonable definition. I lost all respect for Debian when they dropped m68k and i386. There's literally no reason for this shitheap to exist if it only supports the same platforms as SUSE and RedHat.

>>108572418
Since you know, what is the answer?

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>>108572565
>m68k
Bro who is running Linux off a 68k?

>>108572570
How about you download it and see for yourself.

>>108572591
A lot of comp arch courses use 68k. People still build new hardware on FPGAs and small IC runs.

>>108572674
You have a surprising inability to articulate something you believe to be so self-evident. You even insist that I am not already a Debian user, because my using Debian would collapse your argument about it being self-evident.

>>108572853
Why do you use Debian?

>>108572924
How can I be certain that the answer to that question is necessarily how Mouette would answer it? Neither of us are interested in discussing my opinion; what is Mouette's?

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>>108558603
oooh man I loved Debian. I use Proxmox, Debian LXCs, LMDE, Raspbian .. all based on Debian why can't we have something nice anymore?

>>108572986
>what is Mouette's?
Do you think I read minds?

>>108573007
>Do you think I read minds?
>>108563313
>>108571009
>>108572267
>>108572418
>>108572674
Seems like you do, as you've been avoiding answering the question for 31 hours.

Debussy

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Debian devs right now

>>108574153
kek
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k

>>108573085
>you've been avoiding answering the question for 31 hours
the charges, officer?

>>108574442
Charged with simping for morbidly obese Indian pussy.

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>>108568998
When you use a project's software you need to make yourself familiar with their leaders and contributors, to know what you'd expect from them. And if you looked at debian for the last years you would know that this was inevitable.

Many project got the same fate, because unlike leaders like deraadt of OpenBSD they didn't learn how to say "just fuck off with your stupid agenda" [*] and just accept CoCs being shoved in their arses to not be called a "bad" name. Now I can't wait for the future where debian becomes desian and we got all of them chocolate desis as our devs and DPLs.
>[*]: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=175789384527410&w=2

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>>108563313
Mouette is right, Arch and Gentoo are for user's freedom, Debian is more about "whatever the devs decide is good, and I will accept whatever they spoonfeed me, in exchange of a just working system"

>>108572053
Creating a safe space for poojets and pdf files takes precedence over openness or following their own philosophy.

>>108575233
Haha dude, even mentioning Debian amd OpenBSD in the same sentence is an insult the former, they don't call Debian the universal operating system for no reason, meanwhile literally nobody uses OpenBSD, hell, does it even have a filesystem that doesn't lose your data on crash yet? Maybe Theo should learn a thing or two from the Debian developers and stop being rude to potential contributors so his OS can stop being so useless.

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>>108564710
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>>108566498
>>108566645
>>108566918
I once was stuck with a 4th gen i5 and 4g of ram (the other stick acked xerself) for an extended amount of time, and I would have 30+ tabs occasionally without a problem, you just need to moderate it right with something like Auto Tab Discard. And I used many bloated webapps like youtube.

From my experience (linux) Memory leaks are present more on Chromium, especially in super bloat webapps like instagram and some ecommerce website that will wasm, webgl, animations etc just to show you AI generated marketing slop text and hipsters drinking coffee pictures.

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>>108561571
>problem is their installer sucks whale dick
I remember trying to install it some time ago and it shat itself, so I just installed debian, and accepted systemD up my arse. Systemd hate is over exaggerated, I sure prefer bsd rc, runit, openrc et al. more, but not to the extend they describe systemd like it's the devil.

>>108561551
And make python packages install without the

--break-system-and-nuke-me

>>108575440
The point is that it's too complicated for personal use. Linux sysadmins swear by it. It makes sense that Debian stable, a popular server distro, would have it as the default.

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>>108565751
>naan
what is this? Is it that flat bread?

>>108571130
She said she will get some people to help the dpl, maybe so she won't be responsible for technicalities. You should be worry about her importing more jeets so the next election it will be more easier for her to get the leadership or her jeet friends. Then debian will becom more like EFF.

>>108575546
She already said she wants to use Debian funds to fly jeets to Debian meets.

>>108571047
NTA
"Pajeet" is like calling a black "nigger", or a woman a "whore". It just means their worst kind. Not every indian is a jeet, but every jeet is indian.

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>>108575501
Yes. Alternatively: Thank you for the paan, sir.

>>108575346
>universal operating system
>only supports 3 architectures
what a joke

How does NOTA work? If 50%+ vote NOTA she doesn't get elected ?

>>108575912
Yep

>>108575769
He's not wrong though. I'd love to use OpenBSD/FreeBSD on my servers but these platforms are just 20 years behind. Things like a stable FS and Docker/OCI-containers are a MUST nowadays on the server world. Without them, your OS is literally unusable for production work.

>>108569463
>init freedom, but you need >100iq

Ok then explain how to replace systemd with openrc if it's so easy. Because I'm on the verge of using Gentoo (with bin pkgs) for servers in order to escape systemd and this new leadership.

>>108576035
>Gentoo
Why use that when devuan exists?

>>108576041
Devuan solves a single problem: systemd. But the issues Debian is currently facing are coming from different sources. Will Devuan be able to offer an alternative to that when things will go to shit?

>>108576041
Because sysv-init is obsolete garbage and so is the rest of the OS

>>108575996
-t can't deploy samba without a container

>>108576079
Have you ever worked in the industry in the last 10 years? What will happen when the developer team wants a CD pipeline for their product? You can't just tell them:
> Sorry, but I prefer deploying/upgrading manually like back in the 90s

>>108576115
They had pot and zfs snapshots in the 90s?

If you're dealing with people trained on Linux tooling, you have to support that. Debian doesn't strike me as a particularly intelligent choice, but being Linux it wins by default.

>>108576073
So you use Windows, where many parts of the current OS were made for Windows 95. Much more modern.

>>108575996
What are you talking about? FreeBSD is a great server OS. ZFS is better than any Linux native option I've tried, so much so that I'm switching to it for my Linux installs. XFS is a supported option if you want something that isn't ZFS. Jails are incredibly nice, and I prefer them to docker. If I really need Docker I can just make a Debian/Ubuntu VM (haven't tried this myself yet but plan to).
I'm sure OpenBSD is good as well, but haven't tried it. People like using it for routers at the very least.

>>108575769
>3
Not true, is it?
>The following are the officially supported architectures for Debian
13:
* 64-bit PC ("amd64")
* 64-bit ARM ("arm64")
* ARM EABI ("armel")
* ARMv7 (EABI hard-float ABI, "armhf")
* 64-bit little-endian PowerPC ("ppc64el")
* 64-bit little-endian RISC-V ("riscv64")
* IBM System z ("s390x")

>>108576914
ARM, POWER, RISC-V, and x86_64 (not even 32)
So actually 4. Still less than OpenWRT.
>universal status
revoked

Bump

>>108576953
>Still less than OpenWRT
Go daily drive OpenWRT then

>>108576881
>>108575996
Containers are absolute communism. Run that shit off bare metal, it'll be faster.

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>>108558603
fixed it for you

>>108579270
Sad but true

>>108579210
I'd rather use a competent desktop distro. Not like Debian; one that can actually build Firefox.

>>108579631
https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/contributing/build/supported.html#build-hosts

>>108579631
Since when couldn't Debian build Firefox?

>>108580192
Since about 5 years ago the distro builds started getting dangerously out of date, and now debniggers are on the same status as Windows users where they just take whatever (((Test Pilot))) software Mozilla decides to give them.

>>108580400
I don't understand. You can build the latest Firefox on Debian just fine, never mind that Mozilla hosts a .deb repo.

>>108579247
>Containers are absolute communism
If containers were communism, I'd use them. Containers are feudalism/capitalism, allocation of resources and strict division between classes (host, container, client).

Running applications on bare metal is communism, because every application has access to the machine's resources according to how much they need. Whereas in containerized systems the resources are owned by the host, managed by the container and leased/rented to the working applications.

>>108581102
Touche. However, I call everything I don't like communism.

So the election ends in a bit over 6 days

hows the nothing burger going?

>>108583175
Still coping

>>108580666
Debian, the organization, fails to provide acceptable builds. Competent desktop distros don't have this problem.

>>108583624
Debian provides Firefox ESR though

>>108574121
Claude

>>108583734
doesn't update it on time though

Next year I am going to run for DPL and as part of my platform I will promise to release the Raji Files.

>>108584089
Really? The Chromium package on Debian updates ASAP, so I figured Firefox ESR would be much the same. That said, I don't use Firefox ESR

my ESR is the latest version and it does receive updoots and fixes, they are very fast to ship them to the browser, for obvious reasons.

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>>108558766
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>108584740
KEK we could just keep these threads going on forever

>>108558603
Is this just AI and trannies doing the bidding of the Epstein class on a dead board?

>>108579631
>>108580400
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/140.9.1esr/
>last modified 07-Apr-2026 09:32

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr
>[2026-04-08] Accepted firefox-esr 140.9.1esr-1~deb12u1 (source) into oldstable-security (Debian FTP Masters) (signed by: Mike Hommey)

i'd say within a day is not "dangerously out of date." you're just dumb. i'm pretty sure the firefox packager for debian is a mozilla employee too.

>>108585060
What do you mean somebody posted retarded made up FUD? We never get that on /g/.

>>108585060
>trend documented over 5 years
>but it's not out of date now
Debian is not a serious distro.

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>>108585122
>trend documented over 5 years
Where is the documentation? There's nothing on Google when I search "Firefox doesn't build on Debian". I also find it extremely difficult to believe that Firefox couldn't build on Debian given that Mozilla maintains a .deb repo.

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>>108585122
T O Y O S
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>>108585153
Because the issue was never failure to build. Try reading the discussion next time.

Debian is already kill

>>108562999
V O I D

>>108585386
>the issue was never the thing I said

She won didn't she

>>108587537
It was a landslide.

>>108587554
Such a landslide that Tille is trying to stop the goyim from redpilling people on the mailing list

>>108587575
I look forward to watching Debian victims rationalize this.

>>108587554
I'm a newfag to the Debian elections and mailing lists being a zoomzoom. I checked the website and all I could find is a dummy tally sheet, a graph showing that people voted, and the results page 404'd. Where is the info she effectively won?

>>108587621
The election isn't over. There's still five days left. 234 people have voted so far. Sruthi has yet to cast her vote.

>>108587894
>234 people have voted so far
Holy kek.
https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/leader2026/voters.txt
As far as I understand, if you don't vote then that's automatically a NOTA. There's over 1,000 Debian Developers and yet barely over 20% of them have voted when the election is nearly over.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2026/04/msg00044.html
>When the French government goes after Debian it is fine for you when they arrest all DDs in France, like they did with Pavel Durov?
>And if a DD in France had a house or apartment or some savings, it is fine for you when this gets confiscated to compensate for whatever penalties France wants to impose on Debian?
kek, Sruthi's incorporation plans are getting dunked on.

>>108587942
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2026/04/msg00048.html
>Does it make a difference whether Al-Qaeda was ever anywhere a legal entity?
lmao

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today my current debian install is 5 months old!

is this the userbase of debian?
no wonder you're going extinct

I have no idea what a debian is or does.

>reeeee youre going extinct!!!!
project is older than you more likely, fud nigger!

>>108589691
Nice, I've been on Debian for 3 months and plan to stay even after this crisis

>>108558870
>All the Debian old guard went to Devuan.
My arse did they. The "Veteran UNIX Admins" shtick looked fucking silly to DD's because it was immediately obvious it was just Roio (Dynebolic GNU/Linux) and his Italian mates LARPing as the assassins of Calligula.
Joey Hess quitting outright was a bigger blow to Debian than the "old guard" you're talking about, and Allbery/Jackson never fucking left.

>>108559040
Artix

>>108591072
Not stable

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>>108591111
check'd. unstable protest meme BTFO for good.

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>>108591111
neither am I

>>108591111
it's just arch

>>108591111
Isn't it just arch without systemd?

>>108591111

>everyone abstains from voting so they don't look racist for voting against the pajeeta, assuming it will default to NotA
>the fine print says that only votes that were actually cast will be counted towards the total
>pajeeta wins by voting for herself

>>108587917
>As far as I understand, if you don't vote then that's automatically a NOTA
That's not how it works, unfortunately.

>>108591494
So it's over?

>>108591496
We don't know what the 234 people voted for.

Sorry libtards but /ourgirl/ is mere days away from winning the election in a landslide! Only trannies are against the mighty Pajeeta!

>>108591501
234 is still extremely low turnout, we'll see how many votes there are by the end

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https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/leader2026/voters.txt
>theres only men here
i refuse to believe these fags are voting for a woman as their leader.

>>108591363
>>108591388
ie it's not stable

>>108591649
I caught a Laura there

>>108591649
Is Sruthi too ashamed to vote or what?

>>108591877
She probably doesn't know how

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>>108592006
thats both tragic and funny

>>108558603
Are regular people allowed to vote on this? Can I do anything?

>>108592006
She has voted in previous elections. That's why it'd be strange if she doesn't vote in this one.

>>108592542
You can stop using Debian.

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>>108592542
only devs man. grab some popcorn and watch it all unfold with us.

>>108591649
there's a noel in there
also never under estimate the power of s_y males

>>108587917
>There's over 1,000 Debian Developers and yet barely over 20% of them have voted when the election is nearly over.
In most previous elections the majority did not vote. Unfortunately this is nothing new.

>>108594277
so that shows no one gives a fuck about the project leader elections? is just a symbolic role?

>>108594308
I don't know. I think in most cases where voting is not compulsory you end up with something like this. Look at most real presidential elections. It's probably better this way. Only the people who care will vote, which means the result is probably more representative of what people want

>>108594266
I thought Noel was a boy's name and Noelle was a girl's name

>>108558603
Call ICE and deport her?

>>108594599
here in murrica noel is a girls' name, idk

>>108595367
Noel is a boy's name in Australia, pronounced "Nole" Fuckin old mate Nolsy did some sick skids the other day

>>108595367
Noel is a boy's name, Noelle is a girl's name. Americans always make up ridiculous anglicized spellings. White bitches named "Shauna". The fuck is that.

>>108595089
>Call ICE and deport her?
Deport her from India?

>>108595089
>they're still around
I thought they're busy helping the jews bombing the innocents in iran like a good goyim

>>108596136
hope they bomb india next and take out sruthi

Election ends in a few days and the turnout is still very, very low. Not only are there fewer votes, there's been an INCREASE in "Bad Ballots"; not sure what makes them different from "Rejects".

>>108598207
bad ballots are missing the troon/pride flag

>>108598232
kek

>>108587917
262 now

>>>>>>>>> BREAKING <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sruthi has voted.
>219 srud Sruthi Chandran
https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/leader2026/voters.txt

WE WON SRUTHICHADS!!! MAKE DEBIAN GREAT AGAIN!!!

I need a sloppy posthaste

>>108600325
Now we wait for Hector

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Inshalah, may that DALIT lose the war.

270 DDs have voted so far. Three days to go.

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=166250
Debian forums are buzzing!

>>108602451
>This should be like an important stuff yet nothing was posted neither on https://www.debian.org/News/ nor here on DebianForums nor to https://micronews.debian.org/ nor https://bits.debian.org/
It really makes you think.

>>108587917
>>108599361
272 now

Isn't Sruthi's husband a DD?

>>108603840
>husband
Sruthi would never enter an equal relationship, bad izzat. She owns her men outright. Sruthi is a brahmin, so she literally commands other, lower-caste Indians and can purchase people according to Hindu custom.

>>108558603
so who won?

who cares about the "universal" operating system that deprecated x86 and adopted a very non universal init

>>108604179
>deprecated x86
No one uses that anymore.
>adopted a very non universal init
systemd is used everywhere these days so yeah, Debian is very much still the universal operating system.

>>108604179
>waaaaah waah 32 bit
Post hands

NOTA status?

>>108603840
Yes, she said he got her into Debian
Also his name is Pirate which is kind of kino I will admit

Does she need over 50% of all votes or of all voters? Like, if there's some 500 devs, but only 100 vote, does she need 250 or 50 votes?

>>108606522
If someone needed 50% of all potential voters to win, nobody would ever get elected because 75% of people aren't going to vote.

>>108605725
Debotism

>>108605725
People accused him of marrying her for her looks, but it's clear that their connection is deeper and they share a love of technology and Debian.

>>108607812
>People accused him of marrying her for her looks
KEK

In 2025, there were 362 voters.
https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/leader2025/
In 2026, with 2 days to go, there are 285 votes so far.

>>108608117
HECTOR JUST VOTED

>>108608117
So far, 18% of ballots have been rejected, compared to 15% last year.
There's more "bad ballots" this year too, both as a percentage and in absolute values.

>>108558603
why even is there an election when only one runs for lead? doesn't that mean that 100% the jeet will be leader?

>>108608799
There's a "None of the Above" option on the ballot, hence the energy gathering autism

>>108608789
>rejected ballots
lolwut? Do they just throw out your vote if you vote for someone they don't like?

>>108559601
>Devuan is just a badly made copy of Debian
So you don't know how forks works? Let alone how to do research?

>>108608952
They're a true democracy.

>>108608952
No, they check whether 1) the voter requested a ballot, 2) the vote email was properly signed, 3) the ballot was properly filled out, 4) the voter is a registered DD.

Debian and all of its offshoots and forks are for trannies, cucks, women, browns, faggots, and techlets.
Real men use Void, Artix, Gentoo, Slackware, or good ole fashion LFS.

>>108609785
all tryhard and troon coded except Slackware. 2/10 bait.

>>108610114
As if Slackware isn't a tryhard distro lol

>>108559601
2020-2024 showed that you can complain and influence whatever you want. Think of all the pronoun update PRs, hatefilled Reddit threads/twitter posts, and other attempts at excerting control that happened during COVID. Or is that not something you're able to do because "its okay when my side does it." Compared to the COVID era this thread is literally nothing. There are no harassment campaigns or attempts to remove funding. If anything, there needs to be more complaints about the state of Linux because we need to undo all the fucking that politically biased partisan retards pushed already. Long before COVID or even the 2016 elections.
Basically you're a faggot.

>>108610774
>2020-2024 showed that you can complain and influence whatever you want
And that nothing ever changes no matter how much you do it, not even when it's over something that's a matter of your life and death. All it does it make the majority of people wish you would just shut up, sometimes to the point that they wish you'd just drop dead.
Seriously. Nothing changed. The mainstream narrative won and that's all anyone believes.

NOTA status?

>>108575296
>Arch
>user's freedom
lmaoing @ people parroting this so many years later

Less than a day to go until the Sruthipocalypse.

>>108612473
I will pray to the god of NotA tonight

>>108612473
The voting period ends 40 hours from now

>>108613280
>Voting period: Saturday 2026-04-04 Friday 2026-04-17
I assumed that meant 17th April, 00:00 UTC, which is in a little less than 10 hours.

>>108614172
It ends on Friday 2026-04-17 23:59:59 UTC, so exactly one second before April 18. UTC is +0 so that's still like 35.5 hours away

>>108614339
>It ends on Friday 2026-04-17 23:59:59 UTC
I don't know if I can handle the suspense.

>>108558870
>(Pic related)
Kek. I'm not surprised that line of thinking came from a Gentoo.org email address.

I love Gentoo, but Debian is not Gentoo. It is in fact VERY opinionated.

>>108614705
>It is in fact VERY opinionated
Doesn't Debian just have default settings for like everything? At least with the Live ISOs, the only things I can really say are opinionated are the package freeze and the lack of a firewall out of the box.

>>108615144
There's also the whole not including non-free drivers in the default install.

>>108615150
That's funny because Debian simultaneously doesn't adhere to Fedora's codec autism. h264 videos just werk out of the box on Debian lol

>>108615158
Because Debian's freetardism is a complex hazing ritual where Fedora's is based on sober assessment of the parent company's risk. There's no reason Debian couldn't shove everything in their install images like Mint.

>>108615150
They added non-free drivers starting with debian 12.

>>108615158
>>108615741
Debian used to release a non-free version of the install disc, which included non-free firmware. I guess they discontinued that.

It's funny how despite the freetard autism, the FSF still won't list Debian as a libre distro. Why? Because Debian hosts a nonfree repo and it is trivial to enable it, by attaching nonfree to the deb and deb-src lines in sources.list

>>108615944
You're right. I had no idea.
>The Debian project has taken the decision in October 2022 to create a new repository non-free-firmware and include its content on installation media for Debian 12 (bookworm) to make things easier for the users.
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/736065/how-do-i-install-non-free-firmware-in-debian-12-bookworm

>>108615996
That first time installing debian 12 and having wifi work out of the box was glorious.

>>108616011
What sort of network cards are people using that they have issues with Linux? I've never had any problems with WiFi, whereas on Windows I actually have to install drivers for my Intel card.

>>108616171
I've only ever had thinkpads, which are supposedly "god tier" for linux yet none of them have had free wifi drivers.

>>108616171
Broadcom cards are notorious. I remember when you used to have to use a wrapper with the binary blobs and it worked less than half the time. Now there are bcm* drivers.
>>108616348
All the Thinkpads I've had have had "open" wifi cards that didn't require nonfree drivers: 2 T430, X230, T430s, T470. Thinkpads always had several options of wifi cards, so I guess if you bought them used the person who configured the laptop had to have chosen the right card.

I flashed my x230 recently with 1vyrain and removed the wifi card whitelist so I could install the intel 7260hmw card. The process was painless.

>>108615956
FSF is an irrelevant organization in the last 20 years and nobody should care what they think. Their crusade against firmware files is the most utterly retarded shit.

>>108616924
>Their crusade against firmware files is the most utterly retarded shit
Firmware SHOULD be free software.

>>108615144
No, it's the complete opposite of that. They have "Debian defaults" that can and will sometimes differ from upstream. They also sometimes apply Debian specific patches.

>>108616940
The problem with that is they assume standalone proprietary hardware is 100% OK but somehow when the host OS has to provide a firmware file it's an issue. Which is fucking retarded. It's a psyop to derail people who should be agitating for auditable hardware.

>>108617505
>proprietary hardware is 100% OK
Isn't the FSF against these too? Either way, if you only want free software, then you're not gonna use proprietary firmware.

>>108617505
Risc-V

>>108617740
>Isn't the FSF against these too?
Do you see them telling people not to use x86 or ARM?
>Either way, if you only want free software, then you're not gonna use proprietary firmware
That makes no sense. The firmware only executes on the device you were previously OK with being 100% proprietary. If you burn the firmware file to an EPROM and attach it to the device, the FSF is somehow totally OK with that.

>>108617889
Isn't auditable in any useful configuration. You may as well just spin up some shit in a FPGA.

Bump

Has it been decided yet? I want to move back to Debian but I might keep my distance if what's her face gets voted in.

The election ends in about 20 hours

>>108616171
Before Debian 12, everything in the non free firmware repos (ie, what you need to make wifi work) was not enabled by default. So it was really annoying to get your wifi to work. Starting with Debian 12, those repos were enabled by default and your wifi works out of the box. I was not on Debian before 12, so I never experienced this myself. But I imagine it was one of the bigger quality of life improvements they've made.

election ends in about 12.5 hours

>>108558603
what's the easiest way to move from ubuntu to devuan? any tips for adding new partitions and deleting old ones and moving config files for DE browser etc, without me having to spend the time to figure these out myself.

>>108571130
you should worry less about her and more about her handlers

Another victory for devuan

>>108559076
I don't see it as giving up but the opposite. This is the process of accelerationism.
>progressives introduce shitty new development
>conservatives begrudgingly stay and try "reasonable" concessions to preserve what they know
>enlightened extremists make their own path, even if they have to walk it alone
In this case by moving on to Devuan you're not conceding anything, you're creating a new space for yourself. And we win when enough people move to Devuan that an entire ecosystem is created that covers any usecase people would go to Debian for, and Debian is seen as the old distro from a period of enshittification that it is.
If that sounds unrealistic you're a buck broken. Also Lunduke is a jewish grifter.

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>>108622242
I just put my dotfiles in a zip before installing a new distro. It usually doesn't work for browsers though because security. Extract your configs individually when you need them, it's often better to start from a blank slate. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Devuan installer detects your existing distro and preserves your home folder.
If you're gonna do a minimal netinstall use ethernet or usb tethering with your phone though it will save you some headache.

>>108622597
Devuan with systemd would be the perfect distro

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>108622974

>>108623089
????
You'd get to enjoy the benefits of systemd without the vendor lock-in.

>>108623332
SystemD is the vendor lock-in. Unless you're on some autistic shit like SystemD namespaces you probably wouldn't even notice a difference.