>>108609512
Low IQ

>>108609512
Linux Is Not UniX.

>>108609512
Pic rel isn’t a freetard system.

have you ever read about VAX/VMS anon

>>108609512
>professional workstations have always used UNIX
That's not really true is it? I absolutely prefer Linux to windows but that doesn't change the fact that an overwhelming percentage of the engineers who use CAD for their work do it on their windows workstations

>>108609588
fpbp

>>108610018
Pretty much everyone uses Windows for work in the real world. You only really see loonix desktops in academia.

Windows NT killed them all in the 90s.

>>108610018
OP's pic is an HP 9000 model 425, I think that's from 1991. Windows was a toy of a system back then (and Linux was just beginning), so there was a multitude of Unix-based workstations for professionals.

>>108611332
It's the polar opposite. Everyone uses Linux for real work but keeps a Windows 11 shitbox corporate laptop exclusively for Powerpoint authoring, corporate SSO/SAML integrations with 3rd parties (mostly ticketing, HR/compliance, training, internal flaky/specialized apps, etc), and the native Teams client (used as rarely as you can get away with).

Windows 11s such an unbelievably bad product and user experience that I almost can't believe anyone willingly uses it for any reason unless they're forced to. It's completely insane.

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>>108611332
TOP500, the list of the world's most powerful supercomputers, has been completely dominated by Linux for years.

>>108613231
define "real" work

>>108609512
What people means is
>FOSS software is shit and can't compete with corporate alternatives
And they aren't wrong.

>>108613255
Do you think super computers are running a GUI? They’re running workloads for calculations create elsewhere.
>>108613231
The only world in which that could conceivably be true, is “webshit”, but thankfully AI has proven that to be so mundane it can be automated away.

There’s no question linux is great for servers, embedded systems, and specialized tasks, but it’s not well suited for a general purpose desktop. When you see it being used that way, it’s usually to cut down on costs. A university obviously needs a lot of OS installations.

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>>108613334
>Do you think super computers are running a GUI?
No, but workstations do

>>108613389
That's AI-generated.

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>>108609512
>Why do people say "You can't cook a gourmet meal in a microwave" when professional chefs have always used commercial kitchens?

>>108613660
Except it's not a microwave vs commercial kitchen; in this case they're both UNIX

>>108609512
>conveniently ignores everything that happened from 1995 to 2025

>>108610018
NASA & CERN?

Enough bait! Post more sweet Unix workstations!

>>108609996
>VMS
Nobody needs 5+ years uptime on a workstation because it's running a stock exchange or a nuclear power plant.

>>108609512
it's a government money laundering psyop. the government should have never touched computers for the proles. but they realized mac and windows could be used to control business and plebs.
it was always a psyop. the OS user shares are fake. they're all empty machines propping up a fake system which tries to rug you.
you should always be using linux. unix made sense. if the tool you need on linux doesn't exist then you should build it because that will be profitable. and then it was always a lie that programs can be compiled only for a specific thing. wine has existed a very long time already.
we will see the utter destruction of apple and microsoft for trying to hold software they never owned hostage.
I regret being a mac and windows user my whole life until recently but I hadn't thought about that level of the system too hard. I was misled by halo art being very good and that games are not meant to be restricted by system and if they are you should be working towards freeing the art. the company has already made it's money. they cannot take our art.

>>108614590
>I was misled by halo art being very good
I'm reminded. Wasn't Halo one of the best 3D games on Wine in the 2000's?

>>108610018
the only reason they use windows for CAD is because autodesk are a bunch of fucking faggots like every other SaS companies like adobe, valve, etc forcing people to use a specific version of windows.

>>108613860
Code doesn't age, not even after 30 years.

>>108616094
Ever wonder why aren’t they writing software for linux?

>>108613334
>but it’s not well suited for a general purpose desktop
And what makes this so, very specifically? What kernel features are against the grain of this "general purpose desktop"?

>>108609512
Because they're coping, Why are you confused?

>>108617557
NTA but there is nothing hard about porting a CAD app to Linux. Some commercial ones for Linux like BricsCAD exist and KiCad is quite good.
The only real issue here is that, because Autodesk hates Linux more than Microsoft does, Windows has just been accepted as a de facto standard for CAD. Case in point, almost no one uses AutoCAD on macOS.

>>108617585
For the kernel it’s driver support. Expanding out, it’s the linux fragmented ecosystem which makes it unappealing for software vendors to target.

You may not like it, you may not even agree with it, but clearly we can see linux is rarely treated as a first class citizen when it comes to commercial software. It has been over 30 years, and the situation has stayed the same.

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>>108609512
>people say
>people
it's NPCs, anon, OS a tool like any other
evangelists of any kind are just extremists, ignore them now and forevermore

>>108617621
I don’t think KiCad is generally a “CAD” package since it’s focussed on only on PCB design. It’s also considered a toy by pros, who want something like Altium Designer (also only on Windows).

>>108617621
It’s probably because Autodesk don’t want to put in a ton of extra work (which it will be, despite you saying “there’s nothing hard”) just for a very vocal 2-3%, most of whom are broke/freetards.

Maybe we’ll start to see more companies target corporate distros like LTS Ubuntu releases, and I’m sure flatpak will help, but linux users just aren’t accustomed to spending money on software, so the culture would have to change.

>>108617654
KiCad actually does see some industry use now.
>>108617691
You've been on /g/ for too long. Linux has had successful commercial software for decades because it's not targeted at the average person in the same way, say, MS Office is. It's still a mainstay of the media industry, for example.
CAD is actually very unusual in how its Linux ecosystem has worsened over time. If you do CAD, you use Windows. That's just how it be.

>>108617753
>KiCad actually does see some industry use now.
And it runs perfectly well on Windows, so that makes it easier.

>>108617623
>driver support
GNU exists in the first place because of printers. I've never had any driver issues on Linux

>>108617817
>Lore I know from 40 years ago therefore I win argument.
I guess there’s no problems anymore with Nvidia. Anyways, I can’t waste time debating freetards, there’s no point.

Do you actually think when you hear this parroted on /g/ or other places 100 times a day it's all coming from actual workers giving a professional opinion? Do you know what the demographics of this place are?

>>108618947
Distrohoppers, ricers, anti-work communists, trannies, and losers. Not me though.

>>108617623
So then it's neither endemic to the system, nor is it actually about being a general purpose desktop? Then why are you asserting as much?

>>108609512
Haven't you noticed that expensive professional workstations with expensive contracts ceased to exist as a class? What you call a typical desktop computer today was a workstation back then. You need to see them in relation to other systems available back then.

Moreover, they did not have magical features, and were often made with specific users in mind. For example, if you just wanted to edit an image that was suitable for printing or big screen, you needed MEGABYTES of memory. In the mid-80s, cheap micros had 64 KB and low res TV output, and business machines (pun intended) could have 512 KB, with very limited graphical features. You either had to buy/rent a minicomputer (now they are generally called servers) that had the memory, but was very expensive, had a lot of extra features and backward compatibility you did not need, and no graphical output subsystem by default, then make programmers do the processing, or get the fastest microprocessor, connect as much memory as addressing model allowed to it, add a specially ordered high resolution monitor (1024×1024 or something!), develop a custom video card to support it (which itself had to have 1 MB or more for its frame buffer, an insane amount), and get something powerful but not as expensive as a complete minicomputer of the same class. Custom accelerators for 2D/3D could easily make those workstations more expensive than ordinary servers, though. You notice that there wasn't that many companies doing those?

>>108619598

Obviously, they needed real operating systems for those, so they ported Unix. Initially, GUIs were custom for every manufacturer, either their specific hardware was used directly by the main program, or they wrote/ported graphical environments to work with their hardware, then programs would be using it. Everything was tied together, but it was not a problem, as those complex software tools were written with specific customers in mind, and updated as they were using it. Then companies like Sun proclaimed that big businesses would buy beefy network servers and primitive graphical terminals, just like they used text terminals for dozens of users, and decided that interoperable graphical server supporting any configuration under the sun was needed for Unix. That's why X server is what it is.

2000 character limit was introduced to make Twitter users feel less retarded.

>>108617921
>I guess there’s no problems anymore with Nvidia
Correct, you can install NVIDIA drivers on any distro.

>>108617921
Also Windows doesn't even come with NVIDIA drivers preinstalled, while some Linux distributions DO come with in the proprietary drivers.

>>108609607
freetoddlers btfo

>>108609588
low test

>>108617921
>I guess there’s no problems anymore with Nvidia.
Yeah they got bullied into releasing an open source kernel driver and most of the rest runs in on-device firmware now so the drivers are much less gay than they used to be. Nvidia-on-Linux is the core stack for the entire AI boom so they have a major financial interest to get it right.