it depends

>>108618552
>profits
unethical

>sharing for free
absolutely fine

>>108618552
No, it's digital Kleptomania.

>>108618552
I'd say if they gave me an option to buy that I would actually own the product? But most "buy" buttons I can click are actually on some tiny print "rent" and they can revoke my access whenever they want and it's heavily illegal for me to try to prevent that. So at best it's scamming a scammer, nobody is clean.

>>108618570
>klepto = stealing
Also, it's clearly NOT stealing. The damage caused by stealing is removing the item from the rightful owner. Copying it doesn't cause that harm. That's a fucking lie they tell to make you feel bad. Like I said, they're filthy unclean liars.

depends on the race/politics/etc of the person i'm pirating from
also japs are faggot retards who refuse to sell their shit so they can get fucked

i don't care.

>>108618552
profits?
don't chumps know that they can get it from the same place the seller got it, and for free?
frankly if people are that dumb then I think both pirates and publishers are both crooked

>>108618552
It's always morally correct to pirate Adobe software.

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>>108618552
It is ethical for archival purposes. Like, there's been no reissue of the original version of The Stepford Wives since the days of DVD in 2004. That's ethical to pirate, as it cannot be purchased even if you wanted to.

>>108618639
you haven't been able to pirate adobe for nearly a decade now

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>>108618585
>>klepto = stealing
>Also, it's clearly NOT stealing. The damage caused by stealing is removing the item from the rightful owner. Copying it doesn't cause that harm. That's a fucking lie they tell to make you feel bad. Like I said, they're filthy unclean liars.

>>108618552
>piracy: the act of attacking ships in order to steal from them
by calling it piracy you're already presupposing harm and an actual crime, it's a really retarded term
>the act of illegally copying a computer program, music, a film, etc. and selling it
piracy also assumes the copied content is sold, so piracy is always unethical
however, downloading and sharing content freely is fully ethical

>>108618552
Jesus was a pirate.

>>108618552 (OP)
If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing. Also stop being a faggot.

>>108618552
>will my imaginary friends think im a bad person

>>108618552
If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't theft. And if you're not stealing there's no ethics issue.

>>108618657
I pirated it last year.

>thing costs money to purchase
>refuse to pay and obtain thing anyway
This is theft.

>>108618747
okay sure. but now you have to prove that theft is bad. I dont think theft is bad if i am thieving from a person or persons i dislike. if i dont like you, you can get fucked. thats my philosophy

>>108618806
Your logic is unassailable, my melanin enriched friend.

>>108618552
>some random guy selling some random shit he made for like $5
sure I'll buy it
>popular movie made by 10,000 hollywood jews that all have 8 figure salaries
I don't need to buy that

Depends. If there's no physical copy, I don't buy it. Simple as.

>>108618747
If you're stupid enough to mold your business around a model where people can steal your shit effortlessly from the comfort of their own homes, you're a low IQ ape and you deserve to be gypped.

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>>108618552
>the word for "piracy" includes the character for "sea"
lmao
I always found calling this "piracy" completely stupid, but it somehow feels even more ridiculous when the word for "pirate" is just the characters "sea thief."

>>108618552
it's an ethical responsibility, an ethical must, even if you don't consume the slop yourself.
conversely, to give globohomo or globomurdocho money is maximally immoral.

>>108618747
You are stealing both real estate from my sight, and thought power from my brain. I charge for both. Where should I mail my parcel?

>>108618696
see >>108618865
new contextual usage of words can change their connotations, and even possibly their meaning over time.
a ironic case in point, the Arabic word shater/شاطر (original plural: shuttar/شٌطّار) originally meant thief. but as the legend have it, when the shuttar used to fuck with the crusaders and their supply chains a lot, the word's meaning turned over time into meaning shrewd/smart/industrious.
there is no context where i would consider so called "digital piracy" morally questionable. it's connotations should in fact be considered exclusively positive. and even literal piracy in the high seas against global tyranny (political and economical alike) would be welcome by me.

>>108618945
you are advocating for lesser humans to go wild and rampant, you have no idea what you're talking about

>>108618552
No, but pirating Japanese media is.

>>108618862
it's theft (air quotes) in a large, unregulated and open space, precisely because it's a dangerous area and there's no systems in place to apprehend perpetrators. Sounds like piracy to me, it's a product of the environment

>>108619083
I'm really sorry for your loss. I hope the coastguard will find the people who stole your things, recover the stolen things, and return them to you, so you can have again the things that were stolen.

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>>108618552
No but I don't care.

>>108618552
I wish piracy WAS harmful to companies, I wish every torrent download incurred a direct loss on the companies, but they're just crying because they're claiming money they would've never had regardless of whether piracy exists or not

>>108618966
are globohomo and globomurdocho the upper humans?

>>108618552
Digital items have no finite number. It is impossible to steal them thus it is ethical.

>>108619210
the upper humans are those that can see why piracy is unquestionably immoral

>>108619227
Resources were used to create the digital item in the first place. It's not unreasonable to ask for compensation for the resources used to create the digital item plus a reasonable profit.

>>108619260
I don't think it's ethical to sell shit you have infinite number of. Sure some profit is expected but at some point it's just greed.

>>108619260
>It's not unreasonable to ask for compensation
Yes I agree.
However, it's also not unreasonable to spend the least amount of money in order to obtain something. In this case 0 dollars for sharing a game.

>>108619260
what if the product is shit and no one wants to buy?
is it illegal to not buy since the company hasn't made a profit yet?

>>108618552
>the people who drawed the anime frames got paid once already by the time I watched the series
I say yes

>>108619228
"upper humans" don't indulge in circular reasoning like the retard you are

>>108619260
>gta 5 came out 12 years ago
>gta 5 cost around $300 million to make and market
>gta 5 did $1 billion in sales in the first three days
>between game sales and the shark cards for gta online it's made $10 billion in revenue
>gta 5 is still $30
So where's the reasonable part come in?

>>108619472
how is it circular reasoning to call thieves trash and non-thieves not trash?

>>108618552
Piracy is one thing, charging for pirated content is worthy of a hanging.

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>>108618747
Nigga I pay for shit, da fucc u talkin about nigga fo real, cap-ass nigga you think I get FREE INTERNET nigga? You betta wise up nyukka imma take whatever I want I pay the bills nigga. Fuck ass jewing me fo sum 1s and 0s n shit, u got me fucked up nigga. You want me to pay twice? TWICE, NIGGA?! Das some ol bullshit. Fuck it ain't nuffin nigga but some images on a damn PC monitor(2x 32" 4K HDR 144hz NIGGAAAAAAA!) I take dat shit all day nigga, skreet up.

Cappin out payin fo ones and zeros, HEELLLLLLLL NOOOO! Lootin and scootin nigga!

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>>108618552
>ethical
That word's a spook.

>>108619484
>how is it circular reasoning to call baddies baddies
is it jeet hours already

>>108618552
Reference arbitration clauses for why I do not give a single fuck about the damage I do by pirating everything. If they don't have one now they will eventually.

>>108618806
Dislike isn't enough to justify theft you have to account for what that person/company is actually doing with the money you spend on them to decide whether it's immoral or not. for instance you can know that the money you spend on college is actually immoral because those colleges and universities funnel that money into war contractors and arms manufacturers and then they obviously start/maintain/participate in unjust wars, so by going to college you're participating in the cycle and could technically justify scamming/thieving from them since you'd be doing good by removing that cash from that cycle.

It's honestly safe to say the same about majority of big companies since they all do this bullshit but you can't just say 'oh he's a dickhead so stealing from him is right'

>>108619723
that insult is literally circular reasoning

Lucifer literally cracks his own content and submits it to the torrenting sites. Yeah figure that one out. What’s a fitgirl repack. He loves cuckolding, he gets all the tight and has to torture us to suicide to pay off his debts.

>>108618559
FOSS is a digital commune of hippies.

>>108619750
Flawed. A college degree is not easily pirated. A movie is. It's actually more convenient these days to pirate a movie than it is to buy one. Explain the procedure to pirate a degree.
Stupid fuck.

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Why would I pay when I get a better experience for free?

>>108618552
Of course not. Hijacking ships on the open seas is never ethical.
Neither is "copyright infringement", which you mean by saying piracy in this context. But it's not theft and I'm still gonna do it

>>108619765
looks like you are really really slow.
let's play with some history since there is zero chance you will put two and two together on your own:
was it unethical to "steal" all the weapons stored in the bastille?

>>108618552
With everything moving towards subscriptions, yeah. Paying in perpetuity for a single product they can EOL or revoke at any time is beyond retarded.

>>108619825
Why does he do it? Is he enjoying it? Never got the full story on this cat. Where do I find more.

>>108619903
>yes, downloading this song IS the same as storming the capitol
and to answer your nonsensical question, yes it is unethical, categorically so

>>108619903
that has genuinely nothing to do with either meaning of "piracy", you intentionally misleading shitter

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>>108618557
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>>108619789
>Explain the procedure to pirate a degree.
Be Indian. Pay for a fake degree. Use it to get a job that pays more than what your entire village is worth. Get hit by a train.

>>108619998
okay.
is the very existence of globomurdocho ethical?

>>108620032
of course, as much as the existence of gobbledygookmooks!

>>108618552
Both
Piracy is ethical for preservation because corporations won't do it

Piracy is unethical for breaking the output>compensation cycle because it disincentivises creation
>Uhh well actually all output should be free
OK then don't consume paid output

>>108619932
that makes you at least a seemingly consistent goy bootlicker (or maybe you wish everyone is from the other side)

>>108620049
not doing piracy hardly gives actual creators anything. if you send them literally 1/20 of the price of the product directly, you would be literally/mathematically have given them more that buying stuff. this is even more egregious in e.g. the mainstream music market with the big labels.
now, it logically follows that "hardly anything" is still > 0 in any case. but the big issue here is where most of the money actually goes, and that's the part the intellectually dishonest (or clinically retarded) are not touching.

>>108620076
OK then we agree piracy without giving back to creators is unethical

>>108620179
piracy is unethical by definition, dummy
downloading and sharing a movie for free isn't though

>>108618585
>Also, it's clearly NOT stealing. The damage caused by stealing is removing the item from the rightful owner
You're stealing the pay they would receive. Its the same reaspn turnstile hopping is theft. If you have sex with a prostitute and sneak off without paying, you're stealing her services. If an employer underpays their staff, it's wage theft.

>>108618552
>implying big corps care about creators

>>108620220
>stealing the pay they would receive
now you're arguing that you have a claim on my money and that had X thing not existed I would've given you money, good job
>nooo, I didn't predict my sales wrong, it's your fault I'm not selling anything

>>108620196
>let's go back to circular reasoning
lol
i hear big media literally pays people to do this crap. could they have found /g/eets to be a relevant target audience? doubtful. but it is plausible that some HR firm is doing this to justify some useless payments lol

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>>108618552
I like your image, it clearly states not to buy pirates copies- thats totally a fair assertion that (1,-1) . But if your just downloading to watch yourself than (1,0) so your not harming creators, in fact you benefit them when you share knowledge and shill their content- should we de demand advertizing revenue if we choose to share knowledge of their video? By their contorted logic its easy to construe that we experience a financial loss when doing so for free

>>108620265
since you're so slow, I'll indulge you
>unethical: any action that breaks rules
piracy is by definition unethical
you should be asking about if it is immoral or not, idiot

>>108620179
no. many creators are also themselves unethical and don't deserve anything. zog runs deep in the chain.
deservant should get directly supported, without intermediaries, and as a general appreciation, not per-digital-copy payments. this would also help slowing down the race to the bottom when it comes to the art itself and the actual quality and variation of it, instead of it being mostly unskilled glorified whores doing derivative crap over and over again.

>>108620278
>he thought he got somewhere with the word "rules"
lol

>>108618945
Motherfucker I just read 3 pages of this shit and can find no mention of stealing from the Crusaders. WHY IS THE ORIGIN OF SHATER 10+ PAGES LONG? بطيخ اصفر!
https://usul.ai/t/asl-kalimat-shatir/1

>>108620196
>piracy is unethical by definition
Preserving media that would otherwise be lost is ethical, no?

>>108620286
Yeah OK next time you pirate a marvel movie I'm sure you're doing it for the advancement of the art

>>108620401
no. that would be an explicit anti-zog move per >>108618865

>>108620297
it looks like the original meaning is more generic than "thieving". it describes trouble makers not living a straight life, and being split/away from their families.
https://shamela.ws/book/1687/2368
https://shamela.ws/book/7030/6207
and do note that i attributed the new meaning to legend. i don't know if it's actually historically accurate.

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>>108618552
Yes.

It depends
If paying bring shit like drm, ads ect... Then it's normal to pirate

>>108620483
Maybe its a western capitalist way of thinking but WHY THE FUCK?

Why is it wrong to sell thing if people still want...thing?

>>108618552
>ethical
Ethics doesn't matter.
The only real things are fire, blood, steel.

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>>108619706
I would've respected him more but his hairline is too shit for me to care

>>108618570
I agree

>>108619139
The first good post

>>108620220
>You're stealing the pay they would receive.
Really? Why doesn't my bank account move when every time I pirate something then

If you couldn't or wouldn't buy the digital product if you had to pay, then they are losing no money.

>>108620450
That makes more sense, I already knew the "shatran" meaning from the Qur'an

>>108620220
Labor is not the same as digital media.

>>108620514
And Black wind!

>>108618552
Maybe, I've got a handful of shows that no longer exist due to being purged for bullshit reasons like a tax write off

>>108620672
You do know labor goes into the creation of the product. You are still stealing labor which makes it the same as those examples.

>>108618552
Nah, it's not. But it's also not something extremely immoral.
It's just another way to obtain media you want to consume that will piss off bunch of people.
I'll say tho that being super open and vocal about it is very fucking annoying and retarded, especially if you also share your sources in the public. A good pirate keeps location of his treasure island hidden.

>>108618552
Corporations creating games and other media don't care ethics or morals. It is like corporations destroying whole world with raw oil and plastics, then pointing fingers at their customers who has no alternatives and moving their responsibility to these customers. We live in a world where elite rapes children and eats humans while destroying the world and worthless sheeps can deal with the real world and take responsibility while they do what they want.

If there is a trash can, I put my trash in it. If there is somebody who needs help, I help. If I like a media and getting/having it by buying it is more convenient, then I buy it. But if the media is behind propriterary service, there is drm, rootkit and other tracking/spying shit on top of that, I can't even own the thing I "buy" and in the future they can just take it away from me anyway, then I am not supporting them. If car I drive "is bad for the environment" and the people saying this are the same people who sink trillion litres of raw oil into the ocean because preventing it would have cost too much, I don't listen what they say.

These people who cry about "piracy" and other shit are the same people who will not defend your country in the war time. Their friends, family and all the people they care about, are just going to buy a new car or nicer house while we are dying in the battle field.

>>108618552
Sharing is human nature. Don't let anyone tell you you can't share.

>>108618557
Yes.
Generally, if you like something, you should buy it.
If you can't afford i, you are not technically costing them money by pirating, but it is still a bit rude.

>>108621446
again, "buying" mostly feeds the wrong (((pockets))). the artists would be better off if you pirate and tip them a small fraction of the "price" directly without any (((intermediaries))).

>>108618552
It doesn't matter. I will still pirate everything and I will pay only if I like them and the original creator is willing to sell it. If the original creator is no longer selling it or if I decide it wasn't good enough for its price then there is no reason for me to pay anyone or refrain from what I'm doing.

>profits
Nigga you PAY for pirated shit? Literally doing it wrong. What the fuck is wrong with you? Jesus christ get it together.

>>108618552
A significant part of the internet is porn and about 80% of porn is pirated. You could see it as a form of advertisement, many pornstars would lose traffic without it. If it was easier to pay i'm sure more people would do it too.

>>108618552
If you're poor and can't afford it, then yes.
If you can afford it and are doing it out of greed, then no.

>>108618552
It's more ethical than giving money to corporations like Disney.

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>>108618552
Piracy is only bad if it's filthy gaijin doing it.

>>108619932
I agree, Americans should submit to English rule.