>>108625741
All technology comes down to either spinning a wheel with steam or spinning a wheel with explosions.

>>108625753
Solar panels might be the only exception.

>>108625741
Power that uses steam: nuclear, coal, combined cycle gas, geothermal, concentrated solar
Power that doesn't use steam: hydro, wind, solar, single cycle gas, tidal power

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>still stuck on steam tech
lol Noobs

>>108625741
Yup.
One of the more efficient ways we have of producing energy. But water is starting to be replaced with CO2 as a medium which can increase the efficiency a bit.

Fact: the sun moves by boiling water to generate power

>>108625773
Oh yeah and there's oil, which can be either or both like natural gas

>>108625773
Hydro and tidal are just very cold steam.
Wind is just very diffuse steam.
Gas there's probably some steam in the combustion byproducts.
Solar it depends but solid state solar I'll give you.

>>108625773
Power that turns one form of energy into another using mechanical motion: all of them

>>108625753
Dis guy don't know about the piezo electric effect... haha noob

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>>108625741
all power generation depends on turning something.

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>>108625741
Not all nuclear power. One company (Helion) generates the current directly
>As the plasma expands, it pushes back on the magnetic field from the machine's magnets. By Faraday's Law, the change in field induces current, which is directly recaptured as electricity, allowing Helion's fusion generator to skip the steam cycle.

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>>108625741

>>108625823
The human body is majority water tho.

>>108625761
solar farms typically use a central furnace to, guess what, heat water and turn it into hot steam.

>>108625786
can they take some of the co2 from the emissions? or is that not pure enough

>>108625741
Correct, however it's not about process, it's about energy density.

>>108625741
Best way of doing it, but often given bad rep because of morons watching too many Three Mile Island, Cherobyl, Fukushima, SL-1 documentaries
Either because,
>Bad designs
>Inexperienced or poorly trained crew
>Companies cheaping out
>Companies dodging safety protocols
>Companies taking shortcuts

But when everything runs smoothly, it's way better than windmills or solar panels can do in the same space it occupies.

>>108625852
Solar towers are obsolete

>>108625852
Yeah but that's besides the point.

>>108625830
Lel.

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>>108625741
Upvoted my good sir! And take my gold while you're at it. This was a wholesome good guy greg post for the win!
Obligatory XKCD

>>108625873
>Bad rep
>Lists a bunch of times shit went wrong, like really wrong
>Silver lining is world is big enough for this to go wrong a few more times without impacting too many people
I agree with you on this, however you have no idea how retarded you sound. Please don't try to market this shit to anyone, we're sure to never get nuclear if you're in charge of marketing

>>108625953
Then go back to the coal mines.

>>108625959
Coal is abundant and has no other real use.
Don't mind if I do, lass.

>>108625741
obviously
does anyone really think there's a better way to generate energy than burning rocks or boiling water?

until we can make suns there will never be anything better

>>108625953
and what makes you qualified to determine that otherwise? a 5 minute ChatGPT session regarding nuclear reactors and suddenly you're an 'expert' on the matter?
Congratulations, print it out on paper and mount it on your refrigerator door, don't forget to frame it and tell your future kids about it.

>>108625859
There are regenerators to capture CO2 emissions and convert that into electricity, yes.

>>108625930
What's so funny nigga

>>108625985
Determine what otherwise?
I agree with you that we need nuclear

>>108625998
>Nigger
I'm not black, bro

>>108626017
Okay but you still haven't explained what's funny

>>108625970
>and has no other real use
Coal can be gassified and further turned into ammonia and methanol

solar is fucking based you can absorb energy for free from a literal star and no one can stop you
the government and capitalists hate it because they can't block the sun and make it pay for it

>>108626154
*builds a dyson sphere and locks you outside*
what now, chud?

>>108625741
Heating water is just a really efficient way to turn an arbitrary power source (which usually can output heat) into other forms of energy such as mechanical and electrical.

>>108625932
well kekked, my good gentlesir

>>108625741
GabeN won.
>>108626164
Dyson Spheres would almost certainly be Steam Machines.
Astronomers should look for Steam in their telescopes.

>>108625829
False

Beyond insane to put Three Mile Island and Chernobyl in the same sentence

The greatest Western policy failure of the latter 20th century was the management of nuclear power fears. Look up the history of deaths from nuclear accidents in the West. It's like Russia has a strategy of "if we're unbelievably incompetent with our nuclear power programs, we can make uneducated Westerners think that's how it is everywhere"

>>108626671
Russia is white
Westerners aren't

>>108626049
This is funny:
>Not all nuclear power. One company (Helion) generates the current directly
>As the plasma expands, it pushes back on the magnetic field from the machine's magnets. By Faraday's Law, the change in field induces current, which is directly recaptured as electricity, allowing Helion's fusion generator to skip the steam cycle.

>>108626051
Is it still called coal after it's been gassified? Didn't think so.

>>108625873
>>108626671
Nuclear is obsolete. No reason to use it when solar and wind are cheaper and work fine with none of the risks or downsides of nuclear.

>>108626726
what changed to allow wind and solar to generate power 24/7 within the same land footprint as nuclear?

>>108626753
Batteries got cheaper. Wind can work at night. Nuclear doesn't work 24/7, it regularly has weeks of downtime for refuelling. Land footprint is irrelevant, there's no shortage of land.

>>108625741
Supercritical CO2 is coming.

>>108625830
>fusion
just two more decades!

>>108626777
>Land footprint is irrelevant, there's no shortage of land.
Bizarrely stupid post!

>>108626777
Batteries, that's exactly the problem. Wind and solar require buffering that nuclear doesn't. The 2 weeks of refuelling every 2 years is controlled downtime. Wind and solar are uncontrollably variable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkelflaute

>>108626777
>it regularly has weeks of downtime
once every couple of years and only one reactor at a time. meanwhile the iberian blackout occurred because an inverter shat the bed.

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>>108626826
Renewables are working fine. Nuclear is not needed at all.

>>108626845
>capacity
Capacity isn't production

>>108626845
non-sequitur post

>>108626845
>planned
HAHAHAHAHA

>>108626853
>Renewables are unreliable
>Actually they work fine
Don't see how that's a non-sequitur. The image is tangential yes, just posted it to show that nuclear is dead in the west and isn't needed.

>>108626865
Argument doesn't logically follow
Evidence of current state doesn't prove it's the optimal state

>>108626860
Here's the actual additions in 2025. Meanwhile no nuclear power plants built in the US in 2025, and that's a good thing.

>>108626879
If it's not optimal the invisible hand will fix it

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>>108626880
Oops forgot the image.

>>108626691
>Russia is white
Then why are they the only ones to fuck up an entire technology for half a century?

>>108626726
>>108622214

>>108626892
Survivorship bias
Those that start more projects will suffer more failures

>>108626903
Their failures were self-inflicted.
>we don't need containment boris, iz russian design!

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ALL OF THIS TO BOIL WATER

LITERALLY SPLITTING ATOMS

TO BOIL WATER

>fossil fuels bad
>renewables bad
>nuclear power bad
Meanwhile in 2025:
510GW solar added globally, China accounted for 66%
160GW wind added globally, China accounted for 75%
20GW hydropower added globally, China accounted for 96%
120GW fossil fuels added globally, China accounted for 86%
5GW nuclear added globally, China accounted for 60%

>>108626903
I can guarantee with 100% certainty you have no knowledge of the history of nuclear power. You probably think "Mayak" is a fashion brand

>>108625741
Yes, it is a heat engine. Water just happens to be a very good application for a heat engine. It also can act as a moderator for neutrons.

>>108626726
Absolutely not, Nuclear energy is a necessity for industrialized society and beyond to endure. Solar energy and wind are terrible for stable, baseline load which are a requirement for heavy industry (which is need to manufacture wind generators and photoelectric cells)

>>108625879
they're low cost and more efficient than photovoltaics

>>108626931
this anon knows how to kinetic energy
tell us how

>>108627283
Yet no one builds them anymore, why is that

>>108627302
enshittification, same reason why everything else sucks. did you really need to ask?

>>108627365
If the market wants it it would have fixed it

>>108625741
>encounter alien
>"You see human, we use highly advanced anti matter reactors to generate staggering amounts of heat to create steam to-" the human engineer got a hysterical meltdown.