How's that strawman you're boxing? Holding up?

degeneracy is the primary motive to reject God, they weren't really thinking about theology rather something along the lines of "why can't I stick my dick in another guy's ass, this is so unfair" or "I hate working and I hate going to church, karl marx said I don't have to do either"

You are a devout Christian yes? Then bring Mount Olympus to my front door. You should be able to.

>>18432460
>faces the slightest challenge to his ego
>immediately begins thinking of gay sex

>>18432457
The evidence for God's existence is literally the entire world. But nothing can actually be said about God because God is perfectly simple.

>>18432457
Evidence for the existence of the Abrahamic God status: still missing

>>18432457
Give me a piece of god that I can put in a Petri dish and study with a microscope.

>>18432458
Okay, what would be evidence for God's existence?

>>18432491
>>18432494
Here: >>18432462

>>18432503
Yahweh isn't God. Unfortunately.

>>18432506
And the cope begins. Everything below this post is cope upon cope and seethe upon seethe. I'm driving home in 15 minutes. There better be a mountain there when I arrive.

>>18432457
I don't believe in God because I don't know what a god is

>>18432494
>Give me a piece of love that I can put in a Petri dish and study with a microscope.
lol
lmao even

>>18432516
Or perhaps
>Give me a piece of energy I can put in a petri dish and study

>>18432457
>There is no Evidence for God's Existence
There is evidence for virtually anything, I just don't think the evidence for god's existence is good.

>>18432516
"Love", the abstract concept, doesn't exist. But you can in fact study oxytocin and vasopressin in a lab, which are the neuropeptides which regulate social behavior, including what gets simplified as "love".

>>18432520
Energy is a number, it's a thing you calculate, it's not a "substance", it doesn't exist as more than a mathematical tool.

>>18432501
If God appeared in a flash of holy light, accompanied by his heavenly host, said "Hello I'm God, now watch this miracle," instantly healed all the kids in the children's hospital, and then flew back into heaven again in a column of holy flame, with all the angels swirling behind him, I would consider that evidence. Shouldn't be too much of an ask, considering he's omnipotent and all.

>>18432457
Not how it works. If you're making a case, you present whatever material you consider as evidence that supports your case. Then people will judge the validity of that evidence. It's not other people's problem to carefully define this before the case, and there isn't an exact whitelist in the first place

>>18432524
Energy is definitely a real thing. For example, after I fuck your whore mother for hours on end, I'm all out of energy after dumping countless loads into her loose cunt and need to rest for a few hours to get it back.

>>18432522
>"Love", the abstract concept, doesn't exist.
I guess you wouldnt know love

>>18432524
>Energy is a number, it's a thing you calculate, it's not a "substance", it doesn't exist as more than a mathematical tool.
A statement that can't be proven.

>>18432528
Also keep in mind God used to do this sort of thing all the time in the Bronze Age, so it's clearly not that much trouble.

>>18432530
>Energy is definitely a real thing. For example, after I fuck your whore mother for hours on end, I'm all out of energy after dumping countless loads into her loose cunt and need to rest for a few hours to get it back.
So this is the power of 2026 christian apologetics...

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>>18432457
JRR Tolkien does not appear in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
At no point does Frodo or Gandalf meet the author of their world.
This does not mean that Tolkien does not exist, and the Lord of the Rings world happened by pure chance. You can learn a lot about Tolkien from exploring the world he created

>>18432528
>Be satan
>Decide to convince the gullible people to worship you by pretending to be God and appearing as a great light in the heavens and doing miracles
>Said gullible people start worshiping you
See, Christians have the book of Revelation to warn them of such things.

>>18432537
Praise be to Allah (SWT)
>>18432541
And Muslims know not to worship a man who comes out of the sky saying he is Allah (SWT) because they were warned. Funny. How will you know when Jesus is finally here? When he affirms Catholicism? Rum Orthodox? Judaism? Baptists? Mormonism? The Prophet (PBUH) reminded us to focus only on the divine.

>>18432536
Yeah, and keep in mind that despite the miracles God did in the desert, the people still ended up worshiping a cow.

>>18432524
To calculate it you need the adequate technology, retard.

Do you think humans recognized radio waves before we had something to catch them?, do you think we could have built something that catches that frequency if we followed your dumbass way of thinking?


>Hurr durr i believe in science but dont even know how it works
piece of shit

Atheism is literally empowered ignorance

>>18432541
>No, see, actually, God can't do that because Satan is more powerful than God
You are so fucked, rodent.

>>18432555
Theism is a bit of a meme. Most contemporary philosophers are atheists.

>>18432555
God blinded them so that they could live like the cattle they are.

>>18432552
>To calculate it you need the adequate technology
Are you demented? That is entirely unrelated to the point that "energy" does not refer to a real substance.
>Do you think humans recognized radio waves before we had something to catch them?
Radio waves aren't a purely mathematical abstraction. They're photons.

>>18432457
Evidence is a thing which demonstrates or makes more probable the truth of a proposition. Considering the evidence, I say that god probably does not exist and that christianity is certainly false...

>>18432573
Energy is the signature of an incomplete existence. It is the measure of an object’s distance from its final coordinate in the universe. Until a particle settles into that one proper spot dictated by the path of least action, it remains excited. Therefore, energy isn't a property an object has; it is the degree to which an object has not yet fully arrived at its own reality, and therefore it is relational.

Got home. No mountain. Guess you don't have enough faith anons.

>>18432596
>Considering the evidence, that I didnt list. I say that god probably does not exist and that my strawman version of christianity is certainly false...
And using this post as evidence. I can say with confidence that this anon is certainly a midwit.

>>18432606
>the evidence, that I didnt list
Yeah it's funny that nobody actually wants to list this supposed evidence.

>>18432616
Everything that exists is evidence of God

>>18432619
Sunday school zinger.

>>18432619
>>18432616
>>18432457
There are two pieces of evidence, namely for the existence of god and for the reality of the covenant.

The first are proven through the miracles performed by the saints, the second are proven by the existence of the Protestants. If god didn't exist, there would be no miracles and if the covenant wasn't real, he would've wiped the Earth in order to free us of the Protestant heresy.

>>18432636
>miracles performed by the saints
Yes and Apollonius and Vespasian also did miracles (the same ones as Jesus even) and with eyewitnesses. Were they too divine?

>>18432636
>miracles
Hearsay
>protestants existing
Doesn’t even rise to the level of probable cause. It is just as likely if not more likely that Protestants existing is a product of there being no god as there being a benevolent one.
Anon’s case is dismissed for failure to state a claim upon which faith can be sought. It is so ordered.

>>18432457
Christians pretend not to understand things thus making discourse impossible

>>18432636
>The first are proven through the miracles performed by the saints [...] If god didn't exist, there would be no miracles
This is a textbook example of affirming he consequent. These debates are such a shitshow because most of the participants can't into basic logic.

>>18432546
>Praise be to Allah (SWT)
what does SWT stand for? Sex With Toddlers? kinda on the nose from you pedo cunts

>>18432541
>You are gullible if you are convinced by tangible actions
>You are smart if you believe random unproven claims
Cuckstrianity truly has brainwashed people beyond repair

Just hit us with whatever you think is the best evidence you got
see what happens

>nothing would be evidence of God
Yes. This is a problem with theism as a theory. It's not a fucking theory.
Theism does not make testable predications.


God got a superpower (omnipotence), that makes him able to explain anything. So you're never going to be able to have contrastive explanations.
God can explain any and all outcomes.

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Its more devastating that there's zero proof that jews were slaves in Egypt. It undermines the entire Old Testament.

>>18432747
What's most probable Jews being slaves in Egypt (yet there being no evidence for this, except OT) or man rising from the dead 2000 years ago?

>>18432732
theists can't make a falsification claim, while atheists can, it's shocking how simple it is once you learn how to think properly

>>18432636
The hellenic philosophers did a shitton of miracles at the same time though. They even changed the weather.

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>>18432457
And all the other Gods?

>>18432836
Psalms 82 The divine council of gods determining the flood and the fate of mankind was copied from the Enuma Elish.

>>18432836
Psalms 82 The divine council of gods determining the flood and the fate of mankind was copied from the Enuma Elish.

>>18432867
Psalm 82 talks about a flood?

Lol

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>>18432457
atheists are stupid OP, that's why they believe what they do (nonsense).

>well yeah I have no proof of a diety (much less my specific diety)
>but uuuuhhhh you can't uh prove he doesn't exist or some shit
so why are you insisting on something being real, along with insisting said thing shoudl shape our lives, if you can't even give a plausible explanation for it not existing

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>>18432457
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!"
You have to prove to me that my God doesn't exist, chrisitan.

>>18432541
If Satan exists and can trick people into thinking that he is God or send by God it could mean that your entire religion could also be just a product of Satan. Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Joseph Smith and all other religious figure could have just been Satan, a person tricked by Satan or an agent of Satan if you presuppose that Satan exists and that he can trick people into a religion.

"Okay, what would be evidence for the existence of shy invisible fairies?"

>>18432457
>what would be evidence for God's existence?
That'll be 95 measurements, three theories, 700 experiments, and 17 mathematical formulae + tax + tip, please. Also a supermajority of living PHD scientists have to answer a poll to the effect that they accept all that.

>>18432522
Even under strict physicalism, love isn’t an abstract concept in the same way that mathematical concepts or logical categories are. Feelings akin to love are correlated with vasopressin, oxytocin, and any number of other neurotransmitters and hormones. But love is also social behaviour, mediated by social relations, existing within social class structure. A good chunk of what you call love isn’t to be found in brain chemicals or brain states, but in the ways we express ourselves socially. You can’t separate nature, nurture and environment/society, then retain only the former “biochemical nature of love” because it sounds more “scientific” to you. You mention social behaviour, but without grounding love in society there is no point in talking about neurotransmitters that perform a myriad of other functions in the body (such as regulating blood pressure and kidney metabolism which is the primary function of vasopressin).

Love must always be placed in historical, social and neurological bases for the full physicalist picture, otherwise you are talking about chemicals and not love.

>>18432753
Since we have the Shroud of Turin, the latter. Turns out the entire Bible was created just to give the resurrection of Jesus meaning.

>>18432457
Both atheism and agnosticism are naturalist positions thus not creationist positions. Its a TRUE DICHOTOMY NO POSSIBLE 3RD POSITION.
Both atheism and agnosticism are positions of non-positions, the difference is agnostics say they dont have enough information to make the call.
Both positions are still in contradiction with 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics, which empirically and scientifically prove creationism

>>18432501
According to the Elijah Test in 1 Kings 18:20-40 of the bible, the people who worship the true god should be able to put out their offering of blessed bull meat on a piece of wood and two seahs (about 14.6 liters) of seed in the trench of an altar made of twelve stones and call on the one true god of abraham to instantly incinerate it through spontaneous combustion without any fire actually being put to it and any people who claim to believe in god, but can not accomplish that simple task should be put to death for worshiping a false Baal tier god.

>>18432534
If you actually knew anything about mathematical proofs and ever passed a basic physics course to understand derivative interaction of physical units, you would know how to measure energy and how to derive energy from the positional differentials of massive bodies over time since energy is just made up of the physical units kg*m^2/s^2 and E=mc^2.

>>18432555
Theists have to project their insecurity about ignorance since their god is always hiding in the gaps and actively exploiting human ignorance.

>>18432599
>Energy is the signature of an incomplete existence
No, energy is a measure of the work of a mass which is just the mass's power across time also known as the force of the mass over a distance where force is the acceleration of a mass.

>>18433164
Imagine using all those words to say exactly the same thing.

>>18432606
>the evidence, that I didnt list
You don't matter in defining christian lore, it is publicly available, you didn't didn't invent christianity and you are not the gatekeeper of its canon, so your opinion is not necessary.

>>18432457
Evidence of prayers working, evidence of people being miraculously healed, evidence of the non-trivial cosmology in the holy books. All of that would count.

>>18433165
Its less than 20 words if you ignore all the words less than three letters which is not that many words at all and its definitely not saying the same thing at all since most of the words I used are presenting physical quantities with measureable units like time, distance, mass, acceleration, force, work, and energy and the words you used are presenting your own impotence and ignorance about physical quantities like time, distance, mass and how they interact to yield derivative physical quantities like acceleration, force, work, and energy.

>>18433174
All of these words and you're still missing the point. A cartographer who fell in love with the map rather than the territory.

>>18433171
>All of that would count.
Nope, the other false gods also did things like and the bible clearly showed that the only way to test who is invoking the one true god to the degree that capital punishment implications for failure could be enforced was >>18433147.

>>18433128
>1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics
No, those only apply to closed systems, so wouldn't apply to a dynamic totality.

>which empirically and scientifically prove creationism
Empiricism is not proof, it is evidence, since the senses are flawed.
Feel free to present the scientific framework you are insinuating definitely proves agentic creationism instead of spontaneous expansion.

>>18433177
All of this woo and you can't make a real point, someone trying to defend a territory you don't even know how to map out.

>>18433178
>the other false gods also did things like
I don't care. I'm talking about evidence for anything supernatural. Not just the bible.

>>18433185
I don't care, this thread is about proof of god's existence not whatever goalpost you are trying to move it to. God of the bible gave a very clear test >>18433147 to prove his existence and prove you are worshiping the one true god instead of one of the many false gods of the fallen world of man.

>>18433186
Fuck off. This thread is about atheism and evidence, not some jewish bs.

>>18433188
How is that not exactly an evidence based experiment and why would you be afraid of it as an atheist who isn't actually making any claim that could be related to a false god, so wouldn't risk capital punishment to do it?

>>18433201
Okay, if the worshippers of the abrahamic god do that feat you described, it would count as evidence for the abrahamic god. Now please show me the evidence of it being done.

>>18432747
That the land taking didn't happen seems worse as it nullifies the Russian and Polish claim to Israel even on the political level.

>>18432457
Because they aren't interested in debate.
They simply wish to attack Christianity so as to erode the moral basis upon which the West stands.
Athiesm is a vile cult created by the Talmudists, for a specific purpose.

>>18432460
Not quite, the destruction of Christianity is mainly pushed to make way for usury.

>>18433211
It was originally documented in 1 Kings 18:20-40 as I said, but yes it should be repeatable so anyone who claims to believe in god should be forced to do it or suffer the consequences according to the bible.
>>18433147

>>18432457
The whole nature around them is evidence, but they cannot reason, so why even bother wasting your time/life with them.

Also it is their goal to make you was your life/time with them. If you choose to debate them, they will weaken your faith. That's what they're planning to do.

>>18433299
No, observable nature and the lack of flying jews in space proves that the world was not created and is not managed in the manner genesis claims it was.

>>18433299
Unless you subscribe to different equally retarded creation myths like The Rainbow Serpent, then nature all around is evidence that The Rainbow Serpent exists.

>>18432457
Slave religion for brown desert folk btw

>>18432870
>a magic jew in the sky clapped his hands and made the earth and then the sky and then he made a little warhammer miniature out of clay and made it alive by breathing on it then he made a woman out of the miniatures rib instead of making her out of clay and then a snake told her to eat an apple and then God got mad with the miniatures and threw them out of his magic garden
>skip ahead skip ahead skip ahead and then the bog fish ate Jonah and he swam around in its belly for days and days

>>18432619
Including pain and death? Nice try demiurge

>>18433299
Thank you for convincing me in the existence of the divine with your eloquent arguments. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to present an offering to Zeus.

Where's that faggot who's been spamming
>le fedora
images? Too scared to post itt?

>>18432458
>Just heard the term "strawman" for the fist time.

>>18432528
Oh, like the Revelation at Mount Sinai? breh

>>18433305
>the world was not created
lol. Things don't make themselves, niggy.

>>18433333
>This totally real event happened. Yes God showed himself to his followers, just read the Bible stupid. No I won't explain why he can't show himself today, when cameras exist.

>>18433333
>Things don't make themselves
Nice digits and good job proving an immortal god can't possibly exist, but you should learn to read an entire sentence before commenting because I didn't say the world created itself, I said its observable existence is inconsistent with the manner in which genesis claims it was created.

>>18433333
>My evidence? It says in the holy book that this happened, so it happened.
Why are religious people so retarded?

"Okay, what would be evidence for the existence of shy invisible fairies?"

>>18433309
No you forgot the part where he did make the woman out of clay at the same time as the man, but then she wasn't there so he had to make another one.

>>18432460
Not quite, the destruction of Christianity is mainly pushed to make way for usury
>>18432636
>for the existence of god
The universe proves that pretty well.
It's called causality.

>>18433308
That slave religion conquered most of the world.
While an athiest Europe is slowly dying.

>>18433358
Why did the religion, if it was so true and great, get replaced by atheism?

>>18433350
Basic Tinkerbell/Peter Pan proof, if you believe you have fairy magic that allows you to fly and start to fly as a result of said belief, then you have successfully proven the existence of fairy magic and since fairy magic comes from fairies you have generated evidence for the existence of fairies and can use your belief to make them appear visible to you.

>>18433358
>the world was enslaved and its a good thing
Dying as in experiencing exponential growth and higher standard of living and self reported happiness than any time in history?

>>18433371
They are SHY and invisible, so you would never catch them. This is true by definition.
If you think you've caught one of them, it must be something else.

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>>18433379

>>18433368
People choose to abandon it due to jew takeover of the financial system.
You cannot reap the benefits of a religion you chose to abandon.
>>18433379
>>the world was enslaved and its a good thing
To God, yes.
The great expansion of European empires was a good thing.
The world is slowly dying, now that organised jewry took over the financial system.

>>18433379
>Dying as in experiencing exponential growth and higher standard of living
Most people can't afford a house.
> and self reported happiness than any time in history?
LOL!
As if self reported happiness was ever accurately measured throughout history.
Anyhow the VAST increase in suicide rates, depression proves otherwise.

>>18433383
>People choose to abandon it due to jew takeover of the financial system.
So, it's not just atheism but judaism is superior to your religion?

>>18433383
>>18433384
Move to Africa, Christian.

>>18433380
Nothing in that post said anyone had to catch anything.

>>18433384
>Most people can't afford a house.
Most people under 30?
>As if self reported happiness was ever accurately measured throughout history.
It can't really be inaccurate you just record what they say.
>VAST increase in suicide rates, depression proves otherwise.
A good chuck of the elder population used to routinely kill themselves every winter just so the family wouldn't starve.

I have definitive proof of Gods existence

>>18433407
Is it in the room with your right now?

>>18433407
How many bloody infant penises and dismembered foreskins are involved?

>>18433400
Only way to get the fairy dust

>>18433426
The post also didn't mention anything about dust, you hallucinating LLM.

>>18433383
>The great expansion of European empires was a good thing.
Which ones, exactly? Because there were Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and secular ones.

>>18433384
>the VAST increase in suicide rates, depression proves otherwise
What "VAST" increase? If you actually look at the countries with the highest rates of suicide and depression, first you notice that they're not even all that correlated (many countries with high suicide rates don't have high depression rates), second you notice that it's mostly poor shitholes where life sucks ass.

>>18433387
>So, it's not just atheism but judaism is superior to your religion?
The parasite cannot by definition be superior to its host.
And Athiesm is simply a construct of talmudism, it is used as a vehicle by which to cause the abandonment of the moral principles that lead to a functional society.
>>18433389
Move to occupied Palestine, jew.

>>18433457
European expansionism happened primarly at times in which European populations were deeply Christian.

>>18433430
You need dust to fly, retard

>>18433460
Not really, it happens in "wealthy" countries as well.
People are miserable in this judaised society, where nobody can afford a house.

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>>18433404
>Most people under 30?
Nope just most people.
> It can't really be inaccurate you just record what they say.
I do not trust jew captured institutions to report anything accurately.
Anyhow, it's irrelevant as data regarding self reported happiness does not exist through a long enough period of time, as such no point of comparison exists.
> A good chuck of the elder population used to routinely kill themselves every winter just so the family wouldn't starve.
Cool story, avi.
Anyhow, it just shows the willingness to self sacrifice was strong back than.

>>18433464
>ummmm no I won't move to these Christian countries because ummmm you see they're actually total shitholes haha
You lost.

>>18433514
None of them are Christian, avi.
They have no a ban on usury, porn or jews.

>>18433479
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

There's 11 shitholes at the top before you finally get to a developed one in South Korea.

Just give your evidence, man. We can pick apart whether it's valid or not after you give it. Why are you wasting everyone's time like this?

>>18433601
>They have no a ban on usury, porn or jews.
Name a country that did have all those bans and the timeframe during which it had them. Let's see how good did the plebs have it there.

>>18433601
>if your country isn't a literal medieval theocracy then it's not really Christian
Lmao, please stop embarrassing yourself retards.

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>>18432513
>I don't believe in 1 because I don't know what 1 is
How can you claim you don't know something when you use the same something to deny its existence?

>>18433384
The average street sweeper today has a higher quality of life than ancient and medieval emperors. Interesting how all those technological innovations happened when Europe became more secular and stopped believing in the divine right of kings that retarded its development. Post enlightenment Europe and America achieved in a few hundred years what the rest of the world couldn't in thousands of years of recorded history, made the life of the average person decent.

>>18433653
retard

>>18432457
video evidence
post video of god

>>18433653
How can you believe something exists when you don't know what it is?

>>18433706
I don't know what airplanes are, except very roughly people get on - they fly - people get off
I still believe in airplanes

>>18433337
I'm not appealing the the bible as my proof for the Sinai Event.

>>18433341
>its observable existence is inconsistent with the manner in which genesis claims it was created.
What makes you say that?

>>18433343
see above

>>18433711
>I don't know what airplanes are, except...
So you do know what airplanes are.

>>18433747
It's the same for God
Some kind of superpowered ghost that caused the universe

>>18433754
Then he can say he doesn't believe in that just like you could say you don't believe in airplanes.

>>18432541
If Satan does something and impersonates God to mock him, but it causes people to still worship God genuinely, isn't that just part of God's plan?

>>18433333
>Christian receives actual argumentation that's not the strawmen they were taught at Prager U
>immediately lashes out with racism

sasuga

>>18433181
Wrong, 2nd law applies to all systems
Scientific proofs are demonstrated empirically
Evidence is part of data analysis you need to first conduct result analysis for that

>>18433912
>Wrong, 2nd law applies to all systems
proof?

>energy cannot be created or destroyed
>God, if he real, created energy
therfor, God not real

don't mind me, setlling the theism/attheism debate onc

>>18433912
>applies to all systems
Except God

>>18432457
Its like they're possessed or something

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>>18433974
Can't be created nor destroyed in the state of entropy
Entropy had a beginning, that means God created entropy
>>18433972

>>18434083
Is the only solution really a magical flying rebbe? Surely some sort of over-world that operates on different laws would also work.

>>18434083
Wrong, 2nd law applies to ALL systems

>>18432460
For me it was finding out that there were religions before the Abrahamic religions that made me stop believing in that BS. Also the fact that the spread of the major Abrahamic religions stayed confined to the ME/Europe for a long time while elsewhere on the world no one had heard of them.

Okay, but if Santa isn't real how do you explain his workshop on the North Pole?

>>18434237
2nd law isn't the law of conservation that's the 1st law dummy

>>18433786
christian?
Read the post I was responding to.

>>18433635
Lesotho - Population 2 Million
Guyana - Population 1 Million
...
Russia - Population 143 M
SK- Population 51 M

LOL!
PER CAPITA DEFEATS THE JEW EVERYTIME!
>>18433645
>Name a country that did have all those bans and the timeframe during which it had
Most Christian countries did prior to liberalization.
You are arguing in bad faith.

>>18433652
> If your country is unwilling to apply Christian theology it is not Christian
Yep!
>>18433664
>The average street sweeper today has a higher quality of life
This is just technological progression, avi.
It means fuck all.
Anyhow, the average street sweeper can't even dream of ever affording a home and a stay at home wife.
The jewish financial system must be eliminated.

>>18434280
Wrong, 1st law applies to ALL systems
no evidence of energy ever being created

>>18433664
>Interesting how all those technological innovations happened when Europe became more secular
Not really, Europe was deeply Christian, racist and counter-semetic when it was dominating everything.
It wasn't until the full embrace of Athiesm and jewry, that Europe began declining.
It is a slowly dying continent today.
This is what happens when you accept the jew and reject God.

> Post enlightenment
Largely meaningless buzzword.
The so called enlightenment was primarly concetrated in Italy.

>>18434314
Nobody ever said the 1st law applied to all systems. Just the 2nd law
2nd law can only exist because of the 1st law, entropy is unbreakable. Entropy law isn't a conservation law

>>18434312
>crigger doesn't know the meaning of the word "rate"
>crigger is shy about giving a specific country and a specific timeframe because he knows anything he comes up with will be a shithole
lmao criggers truly are cattle

>>18434316
You don't need to worship a flying jew in order to be antisemitic
this is such a fucking roundabout silly way of archiving your goals

>>18434361
>2nd law is unbrakable
>God, if he real, could break the 2nd law
therfore, God not real

keep digging

>>18434363
>You don't need to worship a flying jew in order to be antisemitic
Jessus wasn't a jew, rabbi.
And the greatest anti semites were Christian.
> this is such a fucking roundabout silly way of archiving your goals
A quick observation of the absolute state of the modern West and the cheer amount of jew institutional and cultural infiltration that took place after Christianity was abandoned is a testament to the efficacy of Christianity when it comes to dealing with jew parasitim.
To avoid jew parasitim a divinely inspired national moral framework is needed and only Christianity can provide it, at least in a Western context.

>>18434381
The most Christian country in the West is currently leveraging all its Christian social capital to wage a war for Israel while all the atheist commies in Europe are telling them to fuck off.

>>18434362
>>crigger doesn't know the meaning of the word "rate"
The VAST difference in population size renders the comparison meaningless.
Dumb jew.
> jew thinks anything before 1940s was a shithole because his people were regularly crushed.
Anyhow modern athiestic Europe is straight up dying, it's shit, Europe during literally EVERY other period (with the exception of the black plague era) was able to propagate itself.

>>18434386
> ZOGLand
> Christian
LOLOLOLOLOLOL LOLOLOLOLOL!
Not only is America not fucking Christian, it is the country most responsible for the spread of Athiesm and degeneracy due to its largely jewish ruling class.
Calling America Christian is akin to calling Nigeria White.

>>18434389
>No true christian
You failed

>>18434388
>The VAST difference in population size renders the comparison meaningless.
Is this a larp? "Rate" means per capita. In other words, population size is accounted for.
>jew thinks anything before 1940s was a shithole because his people were regularly crushed.
Give one concrete example of your super-country with the three bans you mentioned. A single one. Protip: you won't because you know whatever you can come up with will be a shithole.

>>18434389
>american doesn't realize religion is mostly irrelevant in europe
>doesn't know that the level of christianity he sees in his native country seems like insane fundamentalist fanaticism to a german or a Frenchman
lmao

I assert that the Christian god was created by Dave, a supergod who fucks the Christian god up his bussy every night and also disproves the Bible. I invite all Christians to logically refute that.

>>18434389
I don't get it
Are you Catholic
Who even are the based antisemite Christians?

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>>18432457
Atheists discard each and every evidence they find.

Atheism is a disease.

>>18434364
Fucking retard, denying that natural laws exist
Show one instance where the 2nd law has broken down under any way. Go fuck yourself
It never has, and it needed a supernatural creator
Atheism debunked

>>18434485
>Show one instance where the 2nd law has broken down under any way.
Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

>>18434485
>natural laws exist
for you that believe in them
and while you believe in them, you'll keep experiencing them

certainty of things in a illusory world, in a dream, will not make you right
>certainty
mind that word

>>18434482
Why would a perfect God choose to cause a world he knew would have stuff he dislikes in it, like atheists and gays?

>>18432528
Sure thing, just go ahead and hand over that free will of yours please!

>>18434425
That wouldnt be God, because God is omnibenevolent. So no.

>>18432457
Anything that advances the hypothesis to be closer to being accepted as truth.

But christcucks don't have anything like that, and just have their unverifiable personal experiences and vibes.

>>18432643
They don't want discourse, because they know that their worldview doesn't hold up. Which is why they endlessly burden shift or misuse everything(like science).

>>18432529
Don't expect a christcuck to ever be honest.

>>18434839
>being accepted as truth
Whether or not it's accepted has no bearing on it being evidence.

>>18434850
That's what evidence is used for, retard.
Proofs are for math equations and symbolic logic formed arguments.
The entire point of the evidence, is to convince me of your claims.

>>18433476
No, you need fairy magic, dust is just one such manifestation.

>>18433464
>The parasite cannot by definition be superior to its host.
Why can't the thing that dominates and kills the other thing be considered "superior", does that mean humans are not superior to cows or chickens or corn?

>Athiesm is simply a construct of talmudism
No, talmudism doesn't reject supernatural beings which is literally the only thing that defines atheism.
> abandonment of the moral principles
No, its impossible to have concrete moral principles if you say some magical demon can arbitrarily impose or refute whatever new morals his top acolyte channels from a magical throne, if anything the way most churches invent their moral framework is simply copypasting talmudist protocols.

>>18433488
>Nope just most people.
Nope, just most people under 30 and often because the people over 60 refuse to downsize.
>I do not trust jew captured institutions to report anything accurately.
Except of course when they support your predetermined bias, then you offer up their images in your posts as the ultimate proof of your claims.
>the willingness to self sacrifice was strong
So when the lack of resources leads to something that contradict your claims, suicides are done out of depression, but when you find a way to make them support your claims, suicides due to lack of resources are done out of altruism?

>>18434314
Wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics#First_law
>In general, the conservation law states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant
>isolated system
That is not ALL systems, freshman.

>>18434381
>Jessus wasn't a jew, rabbi.
https://grokipedia.com/page/Tribe_of_Judah
Wrong, he was definitely canonically descended from Judah and recognized the god of Abraham as the all father.

>>18434589
For the lulz.

>>18434723
Right its dave, not god, god is the one using his omnibenevolent instinct to lick daves dirty taint clean.

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>>18434889
>Right its dave, not god, god is the one using his omnibenevolent instinct to lick daves dirty taint clean.

I get you OP,I think atheist have potencially really good wisdom and even spiritual advice if you really were able to get to know them, but they start from such a bad faith stand, that it makes it difficult to view them in any way than as test subjects.

they intencionally try to speedrun a situation were they can get spiritually insulted at you so that they can leave.
they want to minimise the amount of ideas that you give to them to a minimun, and its very annoying.
they didn't even get the premise of the thread right.

>>18434946
Yea, "demons don't seem to be real" is totally bad faith compared to "you must obey the my interpretation of the invisible demon king's commands or you will suffer eternal burns".

>they want to minimise the amount of ideas
No, not ideas, contradictions, you just can't seem to present ideas without tons of contradictions and in fact seem to love to lean into contradictions like the 100% god is also 100% man type nonsense.

>>18432534
Why are you people so obsessed with proving everything down to the smallest molecule? Get a life.

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>>18432541
Nice schizophrenia there, pal.

>>18432563
Nice appeal to popularity there, buddy

>>18434951
>you must obey the my interpretation of the invisible demon king's commands or you will suffer eternal burns
No different than "you must take the vaccine or face jail time"

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Yell insanities: Schizo
Yell insanities while shaking vigorously a cross: Religious
Yell insanities while dressed all in black with black and white face paint: Black Metal Enjoyer

I sense that I must buy new clothes and face paint.

>>18434996
It's quite different in that jail exists while magic lava does not. Btw where do you live that you can go to jail for not taking vaccines? Sounds like a shithole lol.

>>18434996
Vaccines aren't invisible, they are made up of physical elements that anyone can study and interact with directly.

>>18434589
Because God is good.
The nature of good is to be good to others.
Goodness granted without merit is not perfect; it's embarrassing.
So good made free choice by which one can chose to merit God's goodness.

>>18432501
define evidence

>>18435193
If you are only good to those who will benefit you and bad to those who don't, you are exploitative, not just good.

>>18432528
You're implicitly demanding evidence of a physical kind and thereby smuggling in a whole set of unexamined assumptions about reality.
Note that without even discussing the matter of theism, the concept of nonphysical realms remains a popular minority position among the Anglophone philosophical community which tends towards empiricism as a matter of tradition.
So this kind of evidence presupposes a certain nature about God which I think many people of a refined religious sensibility would be likely to question. As much as you might enjoy disparaging them for it, they don't actually think God is a bearded man sitting on a fluffy cloud.

Do atheists deny metaphysics?

>>18435224
Do you deny that logic and mathematics are examples of metaphysics?

>>18435224
Atheists deny magical floating rabbis, lamas, gurus, imams and monks.

>>18435208
God cannot receive benefit.
That's not what s going on here.

God, is good to those who merit it. He never recieves anything; He simply cannot.

>>18435206
define define

>>18434872
>Nope, just most people under 30 and often because the people over 60 refuse to downsize
Ah yes, it's old whipipo fault not the jews's.
It has nothing to do with jews buying our single family home while using the goverment to keep land prices up.
Because we don't live in a planned ecomony.
Anyhow, it's everyone.
> Except of course when they support your predetermined bias, then you offer up their images in your posts as the ultimate proof of your claims.
Basic reality proves it, avi.
Your gaslighting has no impact on me, I can see the fucking prices.
> So when the lack of resources leads to something that contradict your claims
That shit rarely happened, you probably got it from a fucking Hollywood movie and even than it doesn't really contradict anything I said.
> but when you find a way to make them support your claims, suicides due to lack of resources are done out of altruism?
There are no resource shortage in fucking South Korea and Finland.
You listed shithole countries with populations below 5 million and compared them to first world countries with populations in the 10s of millions.
PISS OFF, YOU DISHONEST JEW.
I AM SICK OF YOUR ENDLESS PILPULING.

>>18434885
> Wikipedia
LOL!
It's impossible for jessus to be a kike, than Christianity predates the foul talmudic cult.
You are arguing out of pure semantics.
>>18435253
I love how the biggest insult you jews can hurl at Christ is to accuse him of being one of you.

>>18435558
>You listed shithole countries with populations below 5 million and compared them to first world countries with populations in the 10s of millions.
Kek this subhuman is getting filtered by per capita.

>>18435576
Again, the comparison is meaningless given the population size difference.
If we compare the per capita suicides of shithole countries (unaffected by jew parasitim due to their lack of effective institutions) to that of first world countries we would come to certain conclusions.

>>18435696
>per capita is meaningless if we compare two populations of different sizes
Kek this subhuman is still getting filtered by per capita.

This discussion took a strange turn.
>arguing religious civilizations with secular ones
>population decline being seen in first world countries being attributed to a moral panic rather than a symptom of late stage capitalism
It's all very tiring.

>>18435705
>>per capita is meaningless if we compare two populations of different sizes
It doesn't if you cherry pick.
The collective shithole countries have lower per capita suicide rates than first world countries.
Shlomo, quit LARP'ing, you are very obviously jewish.

>>18435719
> Late stage capitalism.
It's primarly jew parasitim via the inflation of money supply.
Which wouldn't have been allowed to happen had Christianity remained the foundation of Western morality.
All of these things are connected.

>>18434951
>Yea, "demons don't seem to be real" is totally bad faith compared to "you must obey the my interpretation of the invisible demon king's commands or you will suffer eternal burns".
case A.

>No, not ideas, contradictions, you just can't seem to present ideas without tons of contradictions and in fact seem to love to lean into contradictions like the 100% god is also 100% man type nonsense.
case B

you can't seriusly expect me to belive this are arguments founded in good faith anon.
you think you can shit up the conversation because you see it as to fundamentally moronic to be respected, but were does that leave me, were I actually want to have something interesting out of that perspective, because I do respect the conversation.

like I said, you do have some usefull mindsets, some good wisdom I want to use, but you are so bad faith about it, that I need too try to fish them and see them under 20 different layers of insentives, logical and psyco analisis, for any of them to make sence, its annoying.

>>18435737
>Christianity remained the foundation of Western morality
Christians are the reason why Jews practiced usury to begin with.
Because the Christians wouldn't do it. They wiped their hands clean of it and had the Jews do it instead.
Now you idiots turn around and point the finger at them going 'you people suck for doing it.'
Christians are whiney little weenies.

>>18435737
>>18435719
is their any reason why late stage capitalism and current atheism aren't considerably connected.
I don't think that the neutral form of atheism is connected, but one could argue we do live in a capitalistic atheism, based all around getting enough points in economic metrics to bully everyone around with what they should belive, both very obsesed with getting everything right for normal day to day life, but surprinsingly lax when it comes to the bigger institutions.

why is late stage capitalism just something that is completly independent of anything else that is around it.
why does everyone assume that because it can be blamed on it, that this discorages looking at the problem for every other angle?
maybe a good thing, and a good point for religion is that it would stop late stage capitalism for example, and that is why capitalist countries try to be heavy handed with secularism and with modifying religions, thats not a given, I am just trowing the idea outtheir.

but why is this out of the table, I feel like people who blame late stage capitalism, by implication just kind of assume to many good things about middle stage capitalism, it makes it seem like it was all going perfect, before capitalism emerged out of its cacun , and that isn't right.

>>18435749
>Christians are the reason why Jews practiced usury to begin with.
Err, no usury is baked into their talmudic cult and it is something they engage in wherever they go.
> Because the Christians wouldn't do it.
That's a non sequitor.
That's like saying
> Paki rape gangs exist because there are no English rape gang.
It operates on the assumption that financial parasitim just has to exist for some reason.
>>18435767
> Who came first the chicken or the egg.
Late stage capitalism is impossible to attain in a Christian society.
Christianity forbids usury.
Christianity rejects materialism.
As such the death of Christianity can be considered as one of the many critical factors that led to the proliferation of late stage capitalism.

>>18435784
Christianity rejects racism.

>>18435767
>>18435767
>Late stage capitalism is impossible to attain in a Christian society
I'd argue to the contrary.
America is one of the most capitalist countries in the world and also one of the most Christian.
Christianity has not been able to stymie the egress of capitalism in America. If anything it had been co-opted and has been in service to capitalist interests for some time now.
There was a time in which Christian societies operated in a more socialist fashion, but that paradigm is gone now.

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>>18432458
Evolution is fake

Nice evidence

I don't get why you are obsessed by being viewed as a rational big boy
you believe in talking donkeys and flying jews
give it up
you are a superstitious retard
you will never be rational

>>18435784
>Late stage capitalism is impossible to attain in a Christian society.
>Christianity forbids usury.
>Christianity rejects materialism.
>As such the death of Christianity can be considered as one of the many critical factors that led to the proliferation of late stage capitalism.
while I do think a lot of genuine spiritual inclinations, had to get twuanked, for late stage capitalism to happen.
I guess an atheist could argue that it was 'PROGRESS" that killed it, it was progressed that made all this ,which is kind of a problem for the modern man, that also blames late stage capitalism, they know intelectually that this is a problem and it needs to be stoped, but emotionally they will always feel like they live in the best historical year every year.

to be awere of the problems of your society, yet still being blind to them as you look them to their eyes.

>>18435850
>it had been co-opted and has been in service to capitalist interests for some time now.
I agree, that is why I ment with this
>capitalist countries try to be heavy handed with secularism and with modifying religions

it needs to change the religion from the inside out, and were it can't it has to separete the damage so that people aren't expected to do anything with it, trying to curropt it or make it docile basically.

>>18435914
why should you hold the keys to that kindom anon, what if someone thinks they need to be rational for god.

>>18435928
>>Christianity forbids usury.
Stop lying. They CLEARLY don't.

>>18435932
>capitalist countries try to be heavy handed with secularism
You mean it uses secularism.
Okay, it also uses religion.
What's your point?

>>18435850
>and also one of the most Christian
Is this a joke?

>>18432747
They weren't slaves. They just had to pay taxes in corvee labor like all the other commoners, and considered this to be slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corv%C3%A9e#Egypt

This was a common practice pretty much everywhere on earth all the way through the early modern era. And yeah it pretty much is a form of slavery. Just not the chattel bondage type of thing most people think of. Part-time slavery. With beer rations.

>>18436101
I'm not joking. Christianity is still quite prevalent in America. Especially in the South and Midwest.
Outside of those there's still quite a Catholic presence in the Northeast.
Incidentally Roman Catholicism is the denomination with the most adherents.
But, the diverse protestant denominations make up the majority.
Also, as someone who lives in the 'Goddless North' I'd still see billboards for Jesus.
Let us not forget those 'Jesus Gets Us' ads from last year's Super Bowl.
So yeah, I'm serious.

>>18436101
>>18436137
We also have people in government doing prayer meetings like Kristi Noem.

STRIKE ME DOWN. IF GOD EXIST SHOOT ME WITH A BOLT OF LIGHTING RIGHT NOW. COME ON GOD YOU PUSSY BITCH.

>>18436148
In the Old Testament God says that if you take advantage of a widow or an orphan he would personally come down on you with his sword.

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>>18436148
But its funnier to let you continue to exist as you are.

>>18436155
so god is a joker?

>>18432457
Then how to justify the killing of millions of people who don't believe in God?

>>18435850
>There was a time in which Christian societies operated in a more socialist fashion, but that paradigm is gone now.
The only time that was true was during the later 19th/20th century, and even then it can mostly be attributed to a reaction against socialism/anarchism. Of course you can't make a definitive judgement on all Christians.

>>18436203
>Of course you can't make a definitive judgement on all Christians
No, but it's effectively what we're dealing now when it comes to Christianity and capitalism.

>>18436203
Price controls were very common throughout medieval economies and the guild system has some sizeable overlap with socialism to such an extent that 'guild socialism' was advanced as a political theory within Britain for a period.