4u

keep that in mind

you're the one sabotaging your own path

It’s true that atheism is bullshit. Jesus is King

>>18433390
No, it's just straight up factually true. It would be great if God existed, but he does not. It's all very unfortunate.

>>18433394
>no,
stop reading here
suit yourself. good luck

>>18433406
You are coping and I can respect that. It does suck that God does not exist.

>>18433394
Yes, I’m sure you find it very unfortunate to give yourself an excuse for unlimited sinning and to soothe your conscience that you will not face the judgement of God for your evil deeds. It’s unfortunate, and not at all a comforting self-deception. But it won’t provide comfort on judgement day, only the saving blood of the Lord Jesus will avail there.

>>18433413
I don't really care for sinning. I'd rather I be instructed not to sin by a God who exists than be free to sin in the absence of God.
I think you're just projecting your desire to sin onto me.

atheists are losing major ground on 4chan these last couple of years and it shows this dude must be somewhat new or something. atheist posts are on the stark stark decrease since like 2021.

Athests are subhuman conformist cattle.

>>18433438
>people on 4chan fell for a meme
>therefore, god exists
This is not a sound argument.

>>18433442
I don't care. I will trust whatever pol tells me to believe in.

>>18433442
they fell for the meme before they came to 4chan, then realized through constant discourse and confrontation with real believers.. that god exists. and historical research. iron sharpens iron, a man sharpens another man. we are a lot of men constantly talking with each other on here.

>>18433378
OP is FBI

>>18433447
And the only argument you could muster after all of your discussions with the "men" of 4chan is an appeal to popularity on a dying website?

>>18433453
dying website. why do you say that.

>>18433453
no, its just something i noticed. its not an argument for why there is god. god just is. theres no need for argument nor appeal to anything. nobody can force someone to believe in god, nor can someone force another to not believe in god if they choose to. but i can convince you if you have an open mind read the isha upanishad. or kena. two of the most beautiful works of human art in existence.

>>18433461
>god exists because of jeet lit
a compelling argument!

>>18433467
God exists because of the impossibility of the contrary

>>18433467
just read it. trust me. it will impress you, if, if, you have an open mind.

>>18433470
how so? im the jeet (jeet means victory) literature enjoyer.

>>18433378
Be glad Atheism is true. Do you really want to be ruled over by a Jewish sky demon for eternity?

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>>18433470
Wrong. It's impossible for God to exist, that's why Atheism is true.

>>18433493
holy shit. fuck. the real ones will stay the real gs.

>>18433493
no wonder we see such a stark improvement over the last five years. the true followers of 4chan were becoming more percentage wise because the newfaggots and normies who couldnt fit in left.

>>18433493
>dying imageboard adopts dying religion
Pottery.

>>18433493
Where is everyone going?

>>18433498
whoops appeal to popularity. tough luck .

>>18433478
>trust me
I won't. Post the argument in public so others can rip it apart.

>>18433506
It's not an "appeal", just an observation.

>>18433510
īśāvāsyamidaṃ sarvaṃ yatkiñca jagatyāṃ jagat |
1. All this-whatsoever moves in this universe and those that move not is indwelt, pervaded, by the Lord.

>>18433519
maan. i thought you are here because you find 4chan cool and awesome. you dare betray your own brothers who raised you from the dark t

>>18433510
Their heart is the river of immortal waves. Their heart is imperishable and unconditioned. (...) The divine being they adore, is final beatitude.

>>18433481
>>18433494
Apart from the Christian Triune God it is impossible to know anything, for only the Christian worldview can consistently provide the preconditions which are necessary to understand anything.

>>18433524
> indwelt, pervaded, by the Lord.
Not an argument, just a claim.
>>18433540
>Their heart is imperishable and unconditioned
Who is "they"? All observed hearts are perishable, so this appears to be referencing fiction, not reality.

>>18433540
this will speak to you, poltard: Unrestrainedness is pure power.

>>18433546
the yogis who renounced the world and life in society. a practice found in ancient greek female societies who dwelt in the woods together, as well. they used to kill male travelers every now and then, such as you haha. just kidding.

>>18433544
How does Yahweh make you know shit? Does he have a special knowledge beam that he points at your head and goes "bang bang"?

>>18433552
>the yogis who renounced the world and life in society.
Well, they died, so it's just factually false that they are imperishable. That debunks your religion.

>>18433546
a powerful claim. let me ask you something poltard, what is *your* religion? what kind of faith do you have? this should shed light.

>>18433556
dude no because their spirits lived on into eternity they now reside in the eternal and could return anytime anywhere reincarnated or just disembodied as air. think how this body is just a vessel for the true man. im not a hindu, mostly shamanistically tendencies.

>>18433553
The reason is because we live in His world. We are His creatures. Both within and without, everything about us belongs to a system which He designed and He upholds, which would not be without Him. The only reason we are able to know anything is because first we knew its God.

>>18433557
I don't believe in religions.
>>18433560
> because their spirits lived on into eternity
There are no such things as spirits
>they now reside in the eternal and could return anytime anywhere reincarnated or just disembodied as air
Cool story bro, but [citation needed].

>>18433564
>There are no such things as spirits
Proof?

>>18433561
are you an orthodox, if not, where are the christian saints of our times please.

>>18433564
citation is gods divine inspiration you can find it in your own "spirit" which doesnt exist for waste. use it. so do you believe in anything? or just materialism. why did you choose that rationalise it for me.

>>18433567
I don’t understand the question.

>>18433566
The body is run by electromagnetic forces between its constituent atoms, not spirits. This is basic physics.

>>18433564
explain this. when i was a yoing boy, deeply religious. deeply serene and happy beyond measure. now im spiritual. deeply religious and happy internally serene. i know how atheism feels. i was one in teens. i slowly lost faith during later childhood and culminated in atheism with 14 or 15. i lost that deep serenity i had as a child. after i left school, i felt spiritual again, and this serenity came back. what is this? pure coincidence? it can only be explained through my lense, not yours.

>>18433572
you are a christian. why are there no more saints in our times? speaking like 1969 (padre pios death year iirc) until today. padre pio seems to be the very last christian if youre orthodox western christian saint. where are they?

>>18433577
You have done well, you proved the body does not physically operate through spirits pulling and pushing things. Now prove the claim you made, that spirits do not exist.

>>18433582
not that guy false the body is practically controlled by higher spirits speaking from my shamanistic background i acquired from the internet and personal contemplation. depends how developed yoi are spiritually of course lower level souls will not feel or experience the pull of the divine.

>>18433580
There are many counterfeits of the true religion which the devil has set up to deceive the unwary and lead them into hell, the context you’re assuming is one of them. A saint is anyone which is baptized into Christ. Where the true gospel is preached and the sacraments are rightly administered, there you will find saints.

>>18433578
I don't think you were an atheist for the right rational reasons, because you are claiming that your hallucinations are evidence for god.
Here is a video from the pope of atheism which answers your question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKGtcVoBhBQ

>>18433582
Spirits are supposed to be the non-physical things operating bodies.
There are no non-physical things operating bodies, just electromagnetic forces.
Thus there are no spirits.

>>18433588
sacraments? so you are catholic? dude just reveal your sect i dont care. im not christian, nor anti christian that much. if youre orthodox and feel shy saying it ok it could have been noticeable i prefer western christianity but whatever man freedom of religion above all.

>>18433591
>Spirits are supposed to be the non-physical things operating bodies.
>There are no non-physical things operating bodies, just electromagnetic forces.
>Thus there are no spirits.
The first premise is false, spirits do not have being in the material plane and do nothing physically.

>>18433593
I am Catholic but not the Roman kind. Christianity has no sects, and my answer to you was a rejection of sectarianism.

>>18433591
this is horrivle, atheism just because i dont think god created the world and then he doesnt exist so. i still dont think god created the world. but i know he is real, if not god, then something like the fabric of existence behind physicality. are you happy? be honest. how happy are you from 1 to 10. did you ever feel otherworldly bliss? no, because that only comes from religion.

>>18433594
this isnt true, ive felt spirits touching my back often or knocking on the window or appearing before my eyes. i suspect i have a house demon whos really ugly all demons are but he is as well. maybe i hallucinate but the image comes daily.

>>18433596
this is becoming more interesting i assumed protestant or orthodox. ok, so, i guess a saint is a baptised person. can a baptised person go to hell to you?

>>18433594
It's not a false premise. That's just the definition of spirits that I use and that people had before it was debunked.

>>18433602
I suspect you have a demon too. Read the Gospel of John and seek Christ.

>>18433598
>then something like the fabric of existence behind physicality. are you happy?
No, the "fabric of existence" is physics and it is not something which cares about your well-being or how "blissful" you feel.

>>18433609
id need a certified exorcist to actually get rid of the demon if i had one sometimes i talk in my inbetween sleep feels like someone else talks for me but no i refuse to read the gospel because read it many times before i sought christ he didnt respond i pray to god and believe in nature spirits thats it thats the ideology i have and if thats demonic to YOU then idc. but better than just saying its schizo shit. thanks for the well meant advice.

>>18433561
That doesn't answer my question. If the world was made by a lego godzilla, saying "the world was made by lego godzilla lol" would not explain how lego godzilla makes me know shit.
Maybe stick to eating crayons, philosophy's not your thing.

>>18433606
>That's just the definition of spirits that I use
Well pope Anon, you can use your own idiosyncratic definitions of words if you want but it will not be relevant to what people actually believe nor I am I beholden to whatever definitions for my beliefs you decide to make up.
>that people had before it was debunked
No sir, your novel definition of spirit actually presupposes a materialist context (which Christianity has always rejected) because you impute material and physical being to spirits. If spirits are a thing in the physical world, which can be detected by physical instruments, then spirits do not exist. John 4:24 says God is a spirit, and neither the man who said it nor the woman who heard it nor anyone else in that day believed God was “a non-physical thing that operates a body”. A spirit is an immaterial being.

>>18433614
false but go on, did you answer please because this determines how successful you are truly at life. did you never so you never felt otherworldly bliss did you? i did many times and feel it soothing me daily when i pray to allah or worship him in meditation.

>>18433618
im pope anon recognizable through the nametag. state your denomination so i can get a clearer picture you seem to take notice of the spirit idea. are there spirits in mountains? if not, how come i sense them and so on.

>>18433617
The lego godzilla is not an infinite, eternal, unchanging, all-powerful, all-knowing self-existent being on whom all things depend.
>Maybe stick to eating crayons
Not interested in your diet
>>18433616
No you wouldn’t, the only real exorcism today is through the word of God and holy baptism, because the Holy Spirit has the power to banish demons and men do not.

>>18433618
im saying spirits are physical and spiritual. but mainly spiritual of course. but if you measured with some device the spiritual frequencies im sure there are people who already invented such a device tells me supernatural or so on then well whats the problem? we have seances the bible says you can do that (possible not permitted i mean) so spirits can influence physical reality. dont you even read the goddamn bible son?

>>18433621
I am Reformed.

>>18433619
>I feel nice when I talk to my imaginary friend
>therefore my imaginary friend must be real
Reminder that there are people out there who genuinely think like this and do not just post such things on 4chan for the memes.

>>18433623
>The lego godzilla is not an infinite, eternal, unchanging, all-powerful, all-knowing self-existent being on whom all things depend.
Irrelevant. You didn't explain the mechanism through god makes you know shit, just like with the lego godzilla.

>>18433623
i tried baptism but didnt feel different only when the words holy spirit were mentioned did i feel a light touching me in the water. mentally not physically i mean. it felt amazing but not as good as the prayers toward allah which seem to last longer than this feeling and more serenity inducing. sorry im not for this. you seem to be a heretical guy, denying clear christianity in favor of some stuff thats not in the bible nor in sacred christian tradition. im definitely not with this.

>>18433628
*through which

>>18433625
what is that i am not familiar, also are there spirits that inhabit physical beings as i call them for you id say things or places? you didnt answer, which is a pity.

>>18433626
the memes are long gone my friend we as a community are finding out the way to god. i believed in nothing until recently but this belief in god spirit or whatever is firm and gives me deep serenity i never found before as an adult or child. what does atheism give you, nice talking points that sound based and dont have transformative bliss at their core. they are shallow. the man has a soul, the man has a spirit, and we are spiritual beings on a soul quest towards infinity.

>>18433618
>nor I am I beholden to whatever definitions for my beliefs you decide to make up.
I just gave you my definition. If you disagree with it, present your own.
> your novel definition of spirit
It's not novel, stop lying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(animating_force)
>As recently as 1628 and 1633 respectively, both William Harvey and René Descartes still speculated that somewhere within the body, in a special locality, there was a "vital spirit" or "vital force", which animated the whole bodily frame, just as the engine in a factory moves the machinery in it

>>18433636
Ok but like is any of that shit real or does thinking it's real just make you feel nice lol. Lots of copes that are actually false make people feel good.

>>18433639
they dont feel good.. whenever you believe a lie, you will feel less happy. the more lies people believe the less happy people are. if it wasnt real, i would know, because if you develop your spiritual ears and so on, you develop your body to such an extent that it just feels new feelings youve not noticed before.. not physically but mentally lets put it that way. i can speak only for myself but i feel amazing. the best money in the world cant buy what i experience every day. i wouldnt trade with jeff bezos life for anything. its shit compared to even one third of my life. i said you feel new feelings. its mental, not some spirit woo woo shit. its perceptible through the mind as a fan of descartes or a reader youd know what a mind does and acts as, the unseen as you must admit, the mind is unseen. so, the mind acts as the receptor of bliss. bliss is different from this happiness shit they put in the movies and television, that is why i always loved buddha first time i heard about this guy in school. bliss.. is the noblest pursuit in my opinion. you seem interested deep down i think, so thats why you asked. and its natural and perfect that you do, i just feel that you could learn this easily just like anyone and the truth is happiness may take a while or bliss as i said but it can be achieved you can not just experience monotone nothing all the time. you can actually experience depth in your happiness the more you dig for it. ive been doing this now for ten years.

>>18433648
>they dont feel good.. whenever you believe a lie, you will feel less happy.
That's just straight up false tho. Lots of people believe false shit that makes them feel happy.

>>18433637
>If you disagree with it, present your own.
I did.
>It's not novel, stop lying.
You are conflating life force with spirits.
>>18433628
It is not irrelevant at all. It demonstrates the first issue, namely the impossibility of knowing anything in God’s world without knowing its God. The means by which we know God is His self-revelation to all men, on whose souls He has imprinted Himself.
>>18433633
Everything we believe is summarized in the Westminster Confession of Faith.
https://thewestminsterstandard.org/the-westminster-confession/

>>18433651
>I did.
Where is it? Post it.

>>18433650
shouldnt have made such deep statements right off the bat but whatever. let me ask you, do you believe in the subconscious? this subconscious, does it feel happy or sad? if yes, then how would you as a regular normie notice it. its sub- its not obvious to you.

>>18433651
cmon man im not gonna read all that just summarize two main points that define reform or three.

>>18433655
This is interesting because you’re admitting you haven’t even bothered to read my entire posts. Why should I waste my time by speaking to you?

>>18433438
We had a big religious revival here a few years ago when MAGA/antivax boomers and autists who hyperfixated on catholicism moved in, mostly around 2017-2022 or so, but within the past couple years you guys have made yourself about as obnoxious and intrusive on most boards as furries or bronies in their respective eras. Pushback thus far isn't universal, but anons have been noticing how christfags derail every thread they insert themselves into. I predict that the next few years will see a major sitewide shift in attitudes and this board might end up being a containment board.

>>18433663
i never believed in christianity in my life. in fact, i hate the trump maga shit more than ever. it has really grown on my nerves and i said either in this or another thread, i hate the pope.

>>18433662
You're free to ignore my posts, but I see that unlike me, you have provided no clear definition of spirits that you posted anywhere. Just dishonest and evasive deflections, as I have come to expect from religious liars.

>>18433413
It is unfortunate that there is no afterlife and all existence stops after death. That's the real tragedy, that people who did extraordinary things no longer exist and will never exist again. If only God and the afterlife was real, but alas it is not.

>>18433668
>You shouldn’t, I am dishonest swine
Thanks for letting me know, have a nice day.

>>18433663
second thing. christianity is deeply sick. the new old man of europe. once islam is gone, according to shia and sunni prophecies the islamic faith will not survive 1500 years in time, christianity might be next. i dont know what comes afterwards if its good or bad but it is happening before our eyes.

>>18433671
Okay, I guess you were too ashamed to even quote yourself to show where you presented your definition.

>>18433651
>It is not irrelevant at all. It demonstrates the first issue, namely the impossibility of knowing anything in God’s world without knowing its God. The means by which we know God is His self-revelation to all men, on whose souls He has imprinted Himself.
Making the claim that knowing god is the necessary condition for knowing anything else does absolutely nothing to explain the actual mechanism through which god makes you know shit.

>>18433687
Ok

>>18433701
So how does god make you know shit? Was it the knowledge beam all along?

Religious people are like
>God made the entire universe and all the galaxies just so he could watch me fail to stop myself from masturbating to bbc and tranny porn on my phone

>>18433708
The reason we are able to know anything is because we know the true and living God which provides the context in which it makes sense. The reason we know God exists is because He has imprinted Himself upon our souls.

>>18433713
every atheist accusation is a confession

>>18433718
>The reason we are able to know anything is because we know the true and living God which provides the context in which it makes sense.
How does that actually make you know shit tho?
>The reason we know God exists is because He has imprinted Himself upon our souls.
How would that make you know he exists?

>>18433723
>How does that actually make you know shit tho?
It makes knowledge possible.
>How would that make you know he exists?
How would God making me know He exists make me know He exists, is that the question?

>>18433726
>It makes knowledge possible.
But how?
>How would God making me know He exists make me know He exists, is that the question?
So "god makes me know he exists" is synonymous with "god has imprinted himself on our souls"? And when you said "The reason we know God exists is because He has imprinted Himself upon our souls.", it really just means "the reason we know god exists is because he made us know he exists"? That's the whole content of the utterance in question, and you are not only admitting that but straight up highlighting it? Wtf?

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>>18433438
people wisened up about the fruits of atheism

>>18433720
Umm no, this is a very serious problem for religious people, actually

https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/12093q1/confessing_masturbation/
>From my understanding: tell them you masterbated or were impure with yourself and for the second thing I think you have to mention both the pornography and that it was homosexual.
>Be specific, so that your conscience or the devil may never accuse you again or even tempt you to recommit the sin by knowing you can get away with it by a simple confession.
>I like to be specific. Remember that you are confession truly to God, so if you wanted to develop and intimate relationship, you would reveal all.
>The homosexual component constitutes a qualitatively different sin and so would need to be specified.

>>18433737
a literal humiliation ritual

>>18433737
>n-no u!
>links to reddit
really?

>>18433732
>But how?
For the reasons I stated
>So "god makes me know he exists" is synonymous with "god has imprinted himself on our souls"? And when you said "The reason we know God exists is because He has imprinted Himself upon our souls.", it really just means "the reason we know god exists is because he made us know he exists"? That's the whole content of the utterance in question, and you are not only admitting that but straight up highlighting it? Wtf?
No. Man is made in the image of God, his soul is a copy of the divine being. God has written of Himself on the soul of man so that he will know God as creator. The knowledge of God therefore is an indestructible quality of human nature.

>>18433737
Reminder that an atheist can’t logically be against gay bbc tranny porn

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>>18433743
One could argue God's earthly life as Jesus was a humilliation ritual itself. Thats the whole point anon. He had no need to do this. It was voluntary.

>>18433746
You can deny it all you want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0b2XlEjRg

Some comments
>After decades of slavery to pornography and masturbation, numerous confessions and nothing resolved, I went to confession to a priest who is an assistant to our Diocese's exorcist, who is also our parish priest. He went through my childhood wounds and prayed with me. After that confession, the urge, the attraction to those sins just went away. Totally and completely. Years later, I still praise God for this healing and I am still awed by the ease with which I was healed with that particular Confession.
>Im 20 and been struggling with this since 5th grade. These last 2 years I've been really fighting for virtue. It's been amazing to see how God's grace delivers me from my lust. I still struggle and fall, but from where I was to where I am now is truly a testament to the transformative nature of grace.
>Gay man here trying to follow Christ. I am no longer engaging in homosexual activities. This is going to be a rough journey

These people are upset because they think God has put a hidden camera in their rooms to watch them masturbate and punish them in hell for it.

>>18433748
>For the reasons I stated
You didn't say how.
>God has written of Himself on the soul of man so that he will know God as creator.
How does that make you know god exists? What does it even mean for something to be written on a soul?

>>18433762
>You didn't say how.
I don’t know how I could make it clearer.
>How does that make you know god exists?
Man is designed to know God exists.

>>18433789
>I don’t know how I could make it clearer.
Give me the actual mechanism.
>Man is designed to know God exists.
What does that sort of design looks like? What would it look like if he wasn't designed like that?
Let's say you've got a guy who doesn't have shit written over his soul or whatever. He looks at a rock. Does he not know that he's looking at a rock? What's he causal mechanism of that?

I am God.
I am atheist.
Be like God.

>>18433794
>Give me the actual mechanism.
Asked and answered. Now we’re at the part you’ve been seeking where you declare victory and call me an idiot without ever having made an argument because you pretended like you didn’t understand anything I said instead.
>What would it look like if he wasn't designed like that?
It would like something that is not a man.
>Let's say you've got a guy who doesn't have shit written over his soul or whatever
Logically impossible

>>18433799
>Asked and answered.
You didn't give me a mechanism.
>It would like something that is not a man.
In what way?
>Logically impossible
You don't have to call it a guy I guess, you can think of it as a weird ayylmao that has the exact same physiology but not shit scribbled over its soul.

>>18433760
Some people masturbate to the point of it being a vice and starting to impede you to have a normal life. I dont understand whats wrong with seeking help with that? Porn is literally always inmoral though. No questions asked.

>>18433801
The quality which distinguish man from beast is the image of God. A material creature which is not made in the image of God would be a mindless beast.

>>18433809
So you know god exists because you have a particular brain physiology?
Btw you still didn't give me a mechanism. Let's say a kid knows the names of all European capitals. How is the knowledge that god exists being used as necessary background context there?

>>18433816
>So you know god exists because you have a particular brain physiology?
No.
>Let's say a kid knows the names of all European capitals. How is the knowledge that god exists being used as necessary background context there?
Because in deriving this knowledge he has assumed that he exists, that the world exists, that his sense data is intelligible, that it is reliable, that there are laws of logic and mathematics, none of which can be justified under an atheist worldview.

>>18433823
>No.
So someone can have your particular brain physiology and not have the soul scribbles?
>Because in deriving this knowledge he has assumed that he exists, that the world exists, that his sense data is intelligible, that it is reliable, that there are laws of logic and mathematics
You think a 6yo kid assumed that? Have you ever talked to a kid?

>>18433816
NTA, but God exists as a neccesary being to explain our existence on earth.
>but evolution
Too chaotic and random for it too result in us. That would be chimps in an infinite room writing shakespeare by pure chance again. Instead evolution was guided by God for it to result in modern human beings.
Also evolution doesnt explain our "evolved" traits that have zero relation to survival of the fittest. Such as writing poems. Giving our lives for others. Genuine self-sacrifical love, charity, and many others. Those traits are way to advanced and we are virtually the only "animal" on earth that does this.

>>18433827
>NTA, but
Didn't read.

>>18433833
I accept your concession

>>18433825
>So someone can have your particular brain physiology and not have the soul scribbles?
A man without a soul would be a mindless beast if not a vegetable.
>You think a 6yo kid assumed that? Have you ever talked to a kid?
I don’t think it, I know it. Presuppositions are typically unconscious.

>>18433837
>A man without a soul would be a mindless beast if not a vegetable.
How does the soul make the atoms inside the brain work well?
>I don’t think it, I know it. Presuppositions are typically unconscious.
You know that a 6yo assumes "the laws of logic and mathematics"? Are you insane?

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>>18433846
christians didn't even blink an eye at their kids getting raped by catholic priests until the wider secularisation of society made it a bad thing

>>18433840
>How does the soul make the atoms inside the brain work well?
Atoms inside of brains have nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
>You know that a 6yo assumes "the laws of logic and mathematics"? Are you insane?
Not an argument.

>>18433853
>Atoms inside of brains have nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
Atoms inside the brain have nothing to do with looking at a rock and knowing it's a rock?
>Not an argument.
Name all the laws of logic and mathematics that 6yo kids assume.

>>18433859
The law of identity

>>18433862
Is that all the laws of logic and mathematics that 6yo kids assume?
Did you give up with the brain stuff?

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>>18433850
>catholic priests
no longer christian, the institution of the roman catholic church was based in the middle ages but by the 16th they had fallen out of favor with nordic europeans and in the 21st they have completely abandoned even basic precepts of christianity like you are saved through jesus

>>18433864
No, it’s an example that demonstrates what I’m saying is obviously true and how vacuous this line of questioning is.

>>18433859
The brain is actually an antenna.
t. knower

>>18433870
You think the average 6yo kid will even understand what you mean when you ask if a bear is a bear?
Again, have you given up on the brain stuff?

>>18433867
I love this meme except it’s historically inaccurate that the modern church of Rome existed simultaneously with the Roman Empire or the Rashidun Caliphate.

>>18433875
>You think the average 6yo kid will even understand what you mean when you ask if a bear is a bear?
I think he would think you’re a complete idiot for even asking the question. That’s how taken for granted these things are in human nature, by virtue of the magnificent design of God.

>>18433879
>I think he would think you’re a complete idiot for even asking the question.
Probably because he wouldn't understand it.
Did you give up on he brain stuff? Why are you running away? Is this the best your god's soldiers can do?

>>18433883
>Probably because he wouldn't understand it.
No, it’s because he is smarter than you.

>>18433883
Adorable sophist-kun, why kid yourself and pretend you are a logical person who is here to pursue truth?
>Is this the best your god's soldiers can do?
Very chunni of you.

>>18433884
Do you actually believe the 6yo kid thinks there is some thing that prevents bears from simultaneously being non-bears the way his kneepads prevent him from getting an ouchie while roller skating?
Did you give up on the brain stuff?

>>18433895
We gave up on your brain, yes.

>>18433904
>quipposting
Aquinas turning in his grave.

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>>18433378
Both atheism and agnosticism are naturalist positions thus not creationist positions. Its a TRUE DICHOTOMY NO POSSIBLE 3RD POSITION
Both atheism and agnosticism are positions of non-positions, the difference is agnostics say they dont have enough information to make the call
Both positions are still in contradiction with 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics

>>18433846
He's completely correct. Some types of pedophilia are worse than others. Is that inconceivable to retarded christcucks like you?

>>18433823
>none of which can be justified under an atheist worldview.
Did you get bashed in your skull as a child?

>>18433987
You are a midwit. Dawkins isnt even talking about age at all. His "mild" pedophilia you are defending is about just "touching up". And he says hard pedophilia is rape and murder of children. An argument that is completely retarded just as his takes on religion. You are a pedo because you lust for children. Not because of how far you are willing to go on those urges.

>>18433394
What are facts anyways?

>>18434023
What an incoherent response. You're projecting your hard pedophilia on Dawkins and me. Do us all a favor and get yourself jailed, child rapist.

>>18433410
>cope
You need to "rope" if you feel like life has no meaning

>>18434028
>you should sui if you don't believe in flying rebbe
riveting

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Exhibit a)
Satanic band, quite nice sound if you're into it. Not atheism, tho.
They sacrifice on live concerts, with blood and stuff.

>>18434025
Seethe "mild" pedo apologist. Stay away from children please.

Exhibit b)
Left Hand Path band, quite great sound and catchy song.
Really, if it's true lhp (and oftenly their lyrics represent it) it's atheist

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>>18434054
Forgot le pic

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>>18434058
Final exhibit.
God believing band, altough you may argue Cavalera is no longer Christian..

Discuss if you're able, you used to ve able to argue about anything.

>>18433594
>The first premise is false, spirits do not have being in the material plane and do nothing physically.
Then why assume that they exist besides it making you feel special?

>>18433493
What site are you getting this chart from?

>>18433805
>gay man is forced by peer pressure to hate himself for seeking male companionship
>in the end it turns out that there's no magic lava and he just denied himself love his whole life
sad! many such cases!

>>18434135
>if you aren’t a materialist then why aren’t you a materialist?

>>18434160
You are free to be as much of a degenerate for all I care. The one thing I ask to leave the children alone from your homoerotic fantasies. Thanks

>>18434160
>and by love I mean public sodomy in front of children with HIV poz individual

>>18434175
You don’t care about your fellow man, telling him to go off and destroy himself through degenerate acts and you don’t care. Now that’s hate.

I can't wait for the day when religion is rightfully classified as a mental illness.

>>18434183
They did that in the USSR, the atheist paradise. So what you as an atheist desire is to create a soviet big brother dystopia.

>>18434160
>no he denied himself GRIDS
go on

>>18434182
Damned if you do, damned if you dont. I just wish him well. I just hope he doesnt get ideas about corrupting the young. But of course I would love if my fellow man stopped his ways and turned towards the light instead.

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>>18434183
>I can't wait for the day when religion is rightfully classified as a mental illness.

>>18434186
Ah yes, a believer immediately appears and puts his mental illness on full display, as if to prove my point.

>>18434191
Reddit atheism is coming back and you have only yourself to blame for it.

>>18434193
When did you leave?

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>>18434192
>welcome to atheist paradise comrade!

>>18434166
>what tangible, actionable explanatory power does this thing you assume provide in real terms?
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I rest my case

>>18434196
If I had to choose between an NKVD Siberian prison camp and a Tsarist Siberian prison camp I'd pick the NKVD, at least there isn't some divine right schizophrenic live action role play underpinning it

>>18434196
>Is that heckin MANUAL LABOR??!!!?!?

>>18433394
>It would be great if God existed
Why do you pretend you aren't smug and overly sanctimonious about your belief in his nonexistence?

>>18433670
Is it though? Eternal non existence seems way comfier than having to deal with having an immortal soul

>>18434706
Only someone who wants freedom from consequences would find comfort in that.

>>18433378
>God does not exist because I can't detect him through my 5 senses yet at the same time humans are flawed and so we can't rely on our senses.
>we came out of random therefore we don't have agency as humans.
Sums up atheism in a nutshell. Pure retardation.

>>18433566
sorry, the claim is yours. we don't encounter spirits in everyday life, so it's up to you to prove they exist.

>>18434186
the CIA really did a number on the brains of americans. trying to show the soviet union in a light as bad as possible, they chose to emphasize that they were atheistic, which was a minor aspect of their ideology. but since the majority of americans were religiotards, this was an easy path.

>>18433378
Apparently to atheists numbers and grammar are not true because they're abstract concepts that don't actually exist in the real world.

>>18435205
Who taught you this? The pastor who molested you?

If atheism is true then there is no objective standard for truth and therefore it is impossible for atheism to be true.
If there's anything eternal that restricts the nature of reality (any natural law, or law or logic or of epistemology) then that is a God.

>>18434825
>needs skydaddy to give him purpose
Closetted homos and abrahamic religions go hand in hand.

>>18435231
>If there's anything eternal that restricts the nature of reality (any natural law, or law or logic or of epistemology) then that is a God.
So, what you're saying is
natural law = god,
logical law = god,
Thus
logical law = natural law, which implies
logic = nature
This means you are a naturalist and hence an atheist by your own logic.

>>18435205
>grammar is an object that exists on a cloud somewhere
Behold, the power of christian intellectualism.

>>18435231
>truth is an object that exists on a cloud somewhere
I think I'm seeing a pattern here.

>>18435244
>>18435246
It's called platonism chud. Yes I believe in skydaddy and skytruth and skymath and skylogic and skygrammar.

>>18435255
Why did god create skyAAVE?

>>18433737
In some chat server I'm in that's mostly tradcaths, there's a guy who kept posting that he "gave in to lust and self abuse" every couple days for a while.

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>>18435239
Didn't say there can't be more than one.
Each anything is the God of its own uniqueness.
Ones within ones. The Absolute is the principle of all principles. While others are only the principles of some principles. Most 'things' barely lord themselves.
But even in Old Testament, which mean little to me, there are echoes of this intuition: "You are gods."
A God moves things in its likeness, it makes others to be like itself. The sun in creating itself allows the planets to emerge like little suns.
A law/principle/God is a specific character of reality. Difference, Sameness, Rest, Change, Beauty, Truth, Goodness, Logic, Duty, Justice, Love and Strife, Knowledge itself, Power, Will, Creation, Eternity and Time, Space, Imagination...
These are all Gods.

>>18435239
No. Once a science experiment is conducted all logic goes out the window, all you have is result analysis not logic
Natural laws aren't abstract and information/logic are independent of it.
Natural law states energy and matter had a starting point, which doesn't apply to information and God