>>18433482
this is something i think about a lot. like how real were the gods to the people of ancient greece or mesoptamia? can you imagine what life would be like if you thought that zeus and athena were interfering with the world around you on a day-to-day basis? and if this was not something even up for debate, but something taken for fact? it's so different from how we view the world today it's hard to even visualize.

>>18433482
No, religion is only for the lowest IQ of society and mentally damaged boomers. As smart people become more educated through technology and science they realize God is fake.

yes but it makes you very unpopular

>>18433482
The only way religion can survive is through postmodernism and layers upon layers of "interpreting" the original texts to make it sound slightly less stupid than it actually is.

>>18433512
We literally just had a space mission where highly educated astronauts praised God while circling the Moon

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>>18433539
Internet-age religious propaganda feels metaironic

The only successful people in life sold their souls to Satan for earthly riches. If anyone is wealthy, powerful, famous, etc. and they try to sell themselves as Christian never believe them. They're grifting at best and directly trying to endanger your soul at worse.

hahahahah. anyways the topic. i think the idea is that religion is eternal. there will always be religion no matter how hard you braindead morons try to deface, destroy, or otherwise cripple it. it may and will change, as it always does, but religion is eternal there is no beginning nor end to religion.
>noooooo bible verses readings forever
well, christianity for one might not be that eternal if it didnt fall shortly after the earliest christiand noticed jesus didnt come second time, they might at least notice he aint comin this time either and abandon it sooner or later. and a new faith, faiths, whatever, shall rise.

>>18433482
Please tell me this is not real.

>>18433689
It's real kek
https://variety.com/2026/film/news/pete-hegseth-pulp-fiction-fake-bible-verse-prayer-service-1236723446/

>>18433503
>it's so different from how we view the world today it's hard to even visualize.
Not at all. Go into the forest/mountains, alone, with no food or supplies. Build your own lean-to and start trying to forage/hunt. Learn what hunger and thirst feel like. Learn what uncertainty, exhaustion, and desperation feel like. You will quickly understand why people believed in gods and spirits and stuff. Struggle, uncertainty, lack of knowledge, etc. It was comfortable to believe sentient forces were behind things, and that we are guided by fate, rather than believing we are in freefall in a vast, chaotic, uncaring, universe. It makes perfect sense why humanity evolved both psychologically and culturally to believe in such things.

>>18433482
Yes, but mostly just if you've been brought up into it from an early age and live in a community that maintains it.

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>>18433571
>sold their souls to Satan for earthly riches
They dob't think so. These guys are all prosperity bible adherents. They believe that God personally rewards the good with physical riches, so being rich is always a direct result of God's personal blessings and any action that increases your wealth is inherently moral. Opposing the rich is literally going against the will of God and is blasphemy.

>>18433482
Yeah. But Calvinist were sort of right that only a select few are going to heaven at this rate.

>>18433549
>Internet-age
Third world Internet age. 90% of "propaganda" nowadays is made by slop accounts from India or Nigeria to make money off of children.

>>18434043
Calvinism is not a real religion.
>The Bible tells me that only 100,000 people are getting into heaven
>God chose who's getting in before they were born. Nothing you say or do can ever affect this choice.
>"There are 70,000,000 calvinist practicioners alive today, not even counting all the dead of ages past. Who's winning the gacha?"
>Donate money to the church and find out :^)
The most transparently corrupt faith to ever exist desu

>>18434110
if God is all knowing and you were created in the first place it's not like any decision you make could have been anything else so all christians are functionally calvinists desu. but it's funny how you'll never find a calvinist who thinks they aren't part of the elect.

>>18433960
Literally every calamity in Christian history whether it was Angles and Saxons raiding post-Roman Britain or the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople has been attributed by theologians to be God's vengeance/punishment, I really don't see why an argument can't be made that the obverse is also true.

It's not like the Old Testament isn't a schizophrenic flipflop of God backing the Israelites before punishing them and back again

>>18434112
A core part of Christian theology for everyone except Calvinists is that God gave people free will specifically to watch them run around making independent decisions and shit because he thinks it's fun. You'll never meet a Calvinist who thinks he isn't part of the Elect because in that case there's literally no point in the religion. So you've got a religion that is 99.999% gamblers backing a losing bet, and 0.001% people who are rolling the SSSSSSSSR+ afterlife.

PROTESTANTS ARE NOT RELIGIOUS: PROTESTANTS ARE ANTIRELIGIOUS.

IF PROTESTANTS WERE RELIGIOUS, THEY WOULD NOT BE PROTESTANTS: THEY WOULD BE CATHOLICS.

>>18433549
Because the only legitimate religious people left are (actual) thirdies, either as FOB immigrants or in their homelands.

Which is why we have endless threads like this by basement dwelling anons trying to revive the wars of religion despite the fact the last time they stepped foot in a church was when they got dragged to their sister's wedding three years ago

>>18434129
Sorry elotero, no corn snacks today

>>18434118
>It's not like the Old Testament isn't a schizophrenic flipflop of God backing the Israelites before punishing them and back again
The OT is schizo for other reasons, but not this. God backed the Israelites and made covenants with Him, but then the jews kept disobeying so God chimped out on them again. It's logically consistent.

>>18433503
Even back then there were people like Plato saying that mythical literalism is bullshit.

>>18434110
Why is every other anti-Calvinist post on here an argument with hallucinations?

>>18433689
Why is anyone suprised? the guy is a fake christian like all the MAGA crowd.

>>18433503
>like how real were the gods to the people of ancient greece or mesoptamia?

Well, the Greeks believed that the gods lived on Mt. Olympus and it turns out there's no one there. But you know what? People have found ancient artifacts on the mountain, which means the worshipers of the Hellenic gods did in fact go up there only to be met by no one. Still, they did some rituals and made offerings, so it suggests maybe they thought the gods were there in spirit or something?

>>18433697
lel

>>18433482
I mean, no one is really ment to be a postmoder ager in 2026 to some degree, whenever in finance or in religion.

to some degree, the "evolution" or improvement that is our current situation, while it is a genuine improvemnet in some ways, it isn't something you are ment to take 100%, and you are a retard if you think that is the intention.

it makes sence that religios people whould sound fake, if they take a philosphy that forces most of your big questions to sound fake.

aside from that, they really did not stick the landing pretty well from the 40s' too today.
I think its posible to stick the landing in theory though.

>>18434335
To be fair the alternative is much worse and I'm not even MAGA.

>>18434110
Same anon, but I'm not even Protestant. Only a chosen few are going to heaven. Cope.

>>18433482
Yes, but only if you have either low IQ or if you have both high IQ AND is into more esoteric and occult depths of your religion

>>18433539
THIS. Religious revival is literally one of the most postmodern things ever especially when paired with anti-vaxx or distrust of science, it completely rejects the materialism and rationalism of modernism. You people need to read Foucault and Derrida.

>>18434548
or that the 'gods' palaces/ships were truly perched at the top of the mountain in the past, but aren't there today

>>18433919
We are guided by fate though.

>>18433482
For what it's worth, Hegseth was being tongue-in-cheek when he was that, but naturally nuance is completely dead on the internet and everyone assumed he was being sincere like when Trump posted that ai-slop of him being depicted at Jesus before backpedalling like an embarrassing retard.

>>18433503
You have to remember that while the greeks of the late archaic/early classical period where the ones writing down the versions of their mythology as we have it, those beliefs were already ancient by then. People definitely believed in the divine, participated in cult worship, built temples, etc, but the idea that there was a big family of deathless beings on top of that mountain over there seems to have been very antiquated by the time greeks relearned how to write.
Throughout the late classical period there was a move toward expanding the role of Zeus in to the sort of divine warden of justice and creation that had more in common with god as worshipped by christians than the one in the Iliad. Look at the concept of god developed in Plato and Aristotle, the god envisioned by someone like Marcus Aurelius. They may have used the name "Zeus" to refer to that entity but that Zeus and the Zeus of the bronze age were thought of very differently. The gods of the bronze age were local, transactional, and limited. They expanded over time, but also split in to multitudinous local versions I suppose we might call "aspects". Pausanias describes at least 5 versions of Aphrodite from memory, each embodying (for want of a better word at the second) a different concept relating to the overall concept of love. The hellenic world seems to have been both a place of progressive synthesis and reinterpretation and extreme conservatism. Cicero was initiated at Eluesis and seems to have thought highly of the mysteries as a religious practice, but I think we can safely assume Cicero did not literally believe that winter was caused by Persephone going in to the underworld. The Orphics believed in a transcendental divine soul that must seek to escape the flawed mundane world and return to it's origin, but in writing their etiology for this beliefe they refashioned Zagreus, a god that probably had been dormant since the bronze age, and retconned him in to the creation of man.

>>18434662
>Hegseth was being tongue-in-cheek
What's your model?

>>18433919
You're wrong. The root of all religion comes from nature worship. Pre civ humies at first didn't believe that big brother in the sky was watching over them, but praised the very sky itself. At some point, this changed, and started to give anthro traits to aspects of nature

>>18434548
>Well, the Greeks believed that the gods lived on Mt. Olympus and it turns out there's no one there
Educated Greeks considered it more allegorical than literal. Mt. Olympus was seen the closest place to the heavens where the gods lived, but not literally the abode of the gods.
Also regarding the literalists, their explanation was
>The gods can simply disguise their abode from mortals because they are gods.
I prefer the allegorical explanation honestly.

>>18436047
Nope, even the most primitive cultures believed in spirits guiding them. Whether that be spirits of the ancestors, spirits of animals, the sun/sky, or whatever. Anon is correct. Shamans would take hallucinogens so they could reach the spirit realm and get guidance from the mystical spirit bear or spirit wolf or whatever the fuck.

>>18436072
You do know that all you said is essentially nature worship, right?