>>7913943
Do a version where you don't map out the circles, is it worse?
>Post bad advice
Anything offered on /ic/

>>7914009
>Post bad advice
ok
>just draw
>everything is chicken scratch
>you HAVE to learn anatomy
>don't start with color until you master values
>don't start with values until you master construction
>don't start with construction until you master perspective
>watch proko
>instead of attending local classes just hoard videocourses
>don't explore style until you're a hyperrealistic renderbot
>read loomis
>studying from pictures is cheating
>grind
>study composition from commercial concept artists

>>7913943
That looks kinda cool, some voodoo shit I done seen at a museum looks like that. Gave me migraine for two weeks, smell of sulfur in right nostril, visions of future war.

>>7913943
>draw 100000000 boxes every day
pointless grind connecting vanishing points
I have no idea why the fuck that course got popular, and that other one drawing squiggles and drawing a cross-section over them

>>7913943
ahahahahahahahaha

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>>7913943
Are those supposed to be wrapping lines? They are not drawn like that at all.

>>7914071
just draw is good advice for the sort of people it applies to though
drawing is better than not drawing even if you do it wrong or bad

>>7914076
You sound like a writer.

Recommending Loomis to someone who wants to draw anime.

>>7913943
The coil method can help you visualize long round forms that change direction, such as arms and legs, particularly in foreshortening situations.
Outside of that, there isn't much practical utility. This is more a mental exercise than a technique to frequently employ.
Something worth noting - there is actually a mild coil inversion between the lower and upper torso that this artist does not capture correctly, which somewhat defeats the purpose of this exercise.

>>7913943
That kind of works when you're dealing with foreshortening.

>>7914332
Yeah, all the Japanese artists who recommend it are such crabs, they're essentially kicking the ladder behind them.

>>7913943
good job
now analyze your drawing

where does it look off? change that till it looks right
rinse, repeat

>>7914490
But loomis works for anime?

>>7914588
The Loomis head is proportioned for human heads. Anime heads don't fall into that so trying to force Loomis on an Anime head doesn't work.
This is assuming we're talking about the typical anime style, not the more realistic ones.

>>7914599
The fundamentals Loomis talks about aren't tied to the specific manikin he uses
Cartoon characters obviously have different proportions so for them you have to design a different manikin. Of course cartoons are often simple enough that the "manikin" itself is basically the character. Anime is tricky because it falls somewhere between realism and full cartoons. It's often based on referenced real humans but with things weirdly nudged around to make them "cool" or whatever

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>>7914588
A constructive, form-conscious approach to drawing from imagination works. Loomis uses a constructive method. It works.
The problem that occurs with many beginners is they try to replicate Loomis' head construction verbatim, and apply it to designs that do not match it. That is the opposite of a form-based approach. Go back to the very first chapters of FWAP. Does Loomis use the sphere and cone for all of his cartoon characters? No, because that was not their form. The actual design dictates the construction, not the other way around.
Frankly, even for realistic character drawing, Loomis' head construction might be unnecessarily complex for a lot of artists. Its separate forms need to be drawn well individually, and intuitively positioned correctly with each other under various perspectives. Many fail at this. Their errors and sloppiness compound because of this approach is additive. A subtractive approach that starts with a single bounding shape (like a box or a cylinder) makes errors on each drawing pass smaller.

What's way more insidious and poisonous than just straight up bad advice is most of the threads here that pose a retarded idea as a question >>7909207

>>7913943
>aphantasia
>neuroplasticity
>asian jens
>drawing with the right side of the brain
>symbol drawing
>drawing from the shoulders

These are all meme terms that aren't real, just like global warming, anaconda, and Godzilla.

>>7914599
It works for both. The reason why it doesn’t “work” is because the Westoid way is to curve around the sphere when all you really have to do is flatten the line. Facial features are shapes while westoid has you drawing the whole ball of the eye. The concept is all the same besides those I pointed out.

Draw/Copy Bridgman twice

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how about this one

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>>7915164
It just seems like a variation of using sighting angles / plumb lines
You can try to estimate these relations by sight alone or you can trace them directly like this guy and use them like a grid
Now which way is more useful for learning, arguments could be made both ways
Like with most things, I'd say try both.

>>7914701
desu with /ic/ you generally don't get attention in /wct/ or /beg/ or /sqt/. making a thread always gets a few replies that are useful, even if the thread itself doesn't make it to even 50 posts

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>>7915198
>don't get attention in /beg/
you just have to learn the secret to (you)maxxing

>>7915198
yeah yall niggas love telling question threads to take it to beg or sqt but never reply there

>>7913943
If you don't understand what the circles mean then it means nothing. if you map the circles to a plane then you start to understand some visual tricks which emphasize forms for the eyes to understand.

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>>7914071
>just draw
>bad advice
You can't be serious.

>>7913943
Lemme guess, you saw Scyra's loop method and tried to use it here right? I only ever see that being useful for foreshortening cases.

>>7915225
15 years permabeg schizowizard here, I got my powers recently.
So now I can finally climb to /int/.

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>>7914599
>>7914605