>>7917467
go ahead
show us the cool art you make with that, anon

Why does this place only ever talk in hypotheticals

>>7917477
Because people of action aren't wasting time on here

Everyone can tell. Tracing isn't the cheat code that you think it is.

>>7917477
No one on 4chan does anything, applies to all boards btw

It's better to trace/photobash AI. Impossible to prove, and most people can't even tell at all if you're at least /int/ skill.

No one ever thought of this

>>7917467
Yes they will know simply by judging your line quality

>>7917467
Said everyone who was ever caught

>>7917496
>Impossible to prove
True, just ignore the people who have been caught.

>>7917467
If it works it works. People have certainly done that to some effect before. Will look like an out of perspective collage.

>>7917496
But if you steal the art yourself, then you can prove you didn't use AI.

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>>7917467
You could... But if you can't draw it's gonna show. And when ppl find out you'll lose all credibility (especially if it was someone's art)

>>7917748
>And when ppl find out you'll lose all credibility
Is there some evidence of this? Don't basically all pros use reference, at least, and most of them also trace at least some of the time?
It's an accepted thing in the pro world, it's mostly amateurs and no-draws getting butthurt over it, I assume their moral high ground is another excuse for their lack of skill and work ethic.
True enough if you're actually bad at drawing tracing won't help you much.

>>7917490
People who actually do rarely post here. they exist, but they dont go around spamming threads about doing stuff

>>7917653
The people who got caught are usually beginners and rookies who don't know how to draw in the first place

>>7917767
>I can’t help but talk about myself in 3rd person again

>>7917467
khyleri made a whole career out of it

>>7917467
Is it wrong to make up an image using refrences in a collage and using hem as a guide?

Not fully tracing them, just as a general guide?

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>>7917467
There are YouTubers who make a career of going after tracers, and if you really think that no autistic will notice, go ahead

>>7917467
Go ahead, I bet you're too bad to even make a decent traced artwork and if you get any amount of visibility you're actually gonna be found our and then people are gonna ask to see a time lapse of you drawing and you'll end up blacklisted and without skills

>>7918168
>blacklisted
The industry loves people who do things efficiently though

>>7917467
>What's stopping me from taking random images as reference
Nothing? you're supposed to do that.

>>7917467
It doesn’t even matter, ever since AI came out there’s been a flood of tracing and “ai-assisted” art being posted by people. Some of them manage to get a big following and even sell their slop on Patreon.

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>>7918119
>>7918165
>>7918168
>>7918195
>Nothing? you're supposed to do that.
But according to this board, if you don't know how to create a masterpiece from scratch just using your imagination then you're not an artist and you will be le blacklisted and get your online identity ruined.

>>7917467

unless you're doing art for commissions or as a business for a studio, tracing real-world photographs for art is generally a non-issue outside of purists. just don't trace art work, since not only will it draw the ire of the art community but a drawing based on a drawing will never be as good as a drawing based off of a photo.

>>7917467
2026 artists can't even recognize manga from 2010 unless you specifically or vaguely refer to it in Caption.

Reference hunting among artists is slowly becoming a rare skill. It's retarded

Do whatever the fuck you want dude, trace AI every day, get thousands of followers on social media, make money, nothing's stopping you.
If you cared about personal integrity you clearly wouldn't be asking this question in the first place.

>>7918753
Lmao if you care about muh 'personal integrity'
Rich people dont care about doing the right thing they care about doing what brings them results

>>7917467
>What's stopping me

You.

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>>7918195
this I dunno why /ic/ keeps trying to equate the use of refrences to tracing

there's always someone out there that knows the reference you traced intimately and exposes you

>>7918859
What if I trace a photo of myself that I took huh? Fuck are you gonna do about that bitch?

>>7918871
Can you trace a photo of your dick for me
plz

>>7918872
The image dimensions would be too big for any monitor

Tracer here. I've found that after spending a couple of years, I'm needing to trace less and less as time goes by, although that's probably to do with my hoarding of thousands of images (aka ladies), the more you look at something, the more things stick in your minds eye.

So yeah you will learn via osmosis too in the process, I'd say its useful. Tracing has a "look" though, so you still need to adapt and change and morph your lines/forms to look more natural and less stiff.

Ultimately, you'll still find yourself having to study at least bits and pieces of composition and perspective, proportion, lighting, color, etc, in order for your art to be good.

Basically; tracing is fine, because it doesn't solve the fundamental problem of whether your drawing looks good or not.

My art still sucks though,

>>7918941
>you still need to adapt and change and morph your lines/forms to look more natural and less stiff
Do you have examples of this actually working?

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>>7918360
keep in mind that this board is not one person.
anyone telling you not to use references or trace are dumb retards from twitter that parrot the opinion of art commentary ecelebs like daftpina back in the day and got really deep in their brains that tracing by itself is le bad.
also
>you will get like blacklisted or something
Why (you) should about whenever the art community says at this point?

>>7919083
*care about whatever

>>7917467
Even people who trace Ai images fumble the ball hard. No matter how you approach art, you can't skip out on your fundies. GET BACK TO LOOMIS, RIGHT NOW!!

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>>7917749
>Don't basically all pros use reference, at least, and most of them also trace at least some of the time?

how do you think they use those references? Do you think they just copy the whole thing? people on this board talks in such abstract manner about a fairly nuanced practice. have you seen a mood board before? how do you think they are used?

>>7919187
>Do you think they just copy the whole thing?
Did I say they do?
And what, why would anyone say anything on /ic/ in a vague or ambiguous manner, ever?
If you haven't noticed this place is absolute garbage for any kind of serious discussion.

>>7919211
well, how do you think a pro uses reference?

>>7919213
Is that a serious question? There's a million different ways to do it.
Yes, one way that is used is just tracing the thing whole sale.

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>>7919214
it is generally not a good idea unless you have rights to the source material, I was not expecting you to concur with the premise of the thread. Although Greg Land hasn't gotten in legal trouble yet so what do I know. Photographers can be litigious as fuck so he just lucky I guess?

>>7919218
Again did I say I was referring to an image that you don't own?
You keep making an awful lot of assumptions, is this your first day on an anonymous imageboard?

>>7919218
if i screenshot it i own the image

>>7918165
there are also people who make social media careers tracing with apps like Da Vinci Eye and an extra phone recording the drawing.

>>7919218
Yeah this is generally what mires people. You can steal as much you want, but it's about stealing in a way that when the 2 things are put together in court, it couldn't be proven.

Think of it like this: if you take another artists piece, and change it enough so that it becomes very difficult to prove that you took it, IT NO LONGER BELONGS TO THEM. So you're good.

That's the important bit; use what you want but make sure that the original owner can NO LONGER claim ownership, that's what its about, not "stealing" per se.

>>7919351
or basically, it's not you stealing, you're just removing their ownership by changing it enough, and then you're legally allowed to claim it as yours, providing you've left no glaring proof that it was originally theirs

If you're doing it to photos and models, for example (*cough*, porn), use elements from different photos and combine them, like use the torso from one model but the arms and hands from another, that sort of thing, also flip the image horizontally and change how you use the size, etg if your photo is a full body shot, use it as a waist-up/portrait zoom instead.