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>>7949897
The problem is you say "talent" when really you mean "skill" crossed with "genetic predisposition towards thinking in 3D" and "consistency" and "time spent drawing".
Anyone can draw and become good at it. The brain is a flexible muscle. The problem is that most people aren't very good at teaching themselves and the practical way of drawing has been lost.
Ignore the haters or the bait, anons.
Here is all you need to do:
the first month:
>grind shapes and forms
>do step by step tutorials aimed at kids
>avoid chickenscratch, do continuous line drawing
Then start drawing cuboid and spherical forms from life: furniture, toys, glassware, etc. Then start copying comics, film shots, anything, really.
the General Process:
>do blind contours and gesture studies using live models or photographs
>draw the subject from memory
>collect references and break them down into shapes and forms
>observe the references, then hide them and draw from memory, then draw while looking at them
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>>7949897
>Meanwhile someone with talent?
>50% in a month.
Oh, so ITT we're talking about things that didn't happen? I guess we should talk about your mom loving you, because it's clear no woman has ever held affection for you.
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>>7949992
Don't be a quitter, anon. Anyone can develop their brain as long as they read plenty of books, exercise constantly, eat a healthy diet, engage in thinking (as well as thinking about thinking), and have a positive can-do attitude.
Everyone has limits, yes. But you'll never know what your limits are unless you work hard and study. And who knows, perhaps you may even surpass them...
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>>7949992
I went to college recently and made a bunch of zoomer friends and honestly it shocked me at how much time they spend gaming. I thought I was a degenerate gaming addict because I put thousands of hours on TF2 and CS since I was like 10 years old, but the kids nowadays are like going home after class and playing genuinely an almost full-time job worth of vidya almost every single day.
Like I'm on the class discord and I ask if anyone wants to study or work on projects and my closest friends were like; "oh I would love to draw but I have to grind Marvel Heroes for 4 hours with my friends and then after that I have to play Ape Legends or else I'll lose my rank, and then after I was planning on playing some Overwatch with some high-school friends".
That particular friend was working on getting an adult diagnosis of ADHD so that he can get a prescription of stimulants. When I asked him flat out what he wanted to do with his life, he told me that he is thinking of becoming a pro in Apex, or maybe Valorant, or maybe Overwatch, like he hasn't decided yet. That was really funny to me because it's not like this guy was really grinding all that hard, he was mostly playing with his shitter casual friends and e-girls from their school; I haven't exactly seen his gameplay but I would bet my left nut that he is doing more socializing with his friends than actually sweating. I was mainly a CS:GO degen in my teens and I cared a lot about elo and had dreams of going pro: I can confidently say that there is no chance he is going to make even semi-pro by half assedly playing like 6 games at once.
I'm only 25 and I feel like I'm a different generation than these 18-19 y/o'ds. I genuinely wonder how much of this ADHD and "brain inflexibility" is just psychotic amounts of consumption and attention span abuse. Video games, porn, weed, social media, etc. like how much productivity and growth could you have if 90% of your free time wasn't spent on vice?
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>>7949897
If lack of talent stops you, you're a pussy
Don't be afraid of pain, you're going to feel plenty of it, but remember what you're doing it for.
There is something beyond money, followers, skill, everyone draws because they have dreams and they have a soul
Shout, scream, fight, climb because the you you want to be is waiting for you at the peak, as long as you're convinced you can become them.
Everyone who ends up achieving something with their own strength is a profoundly deluded person who forced everything else in their life and in the world to BEND to that delusion. You lose belief in yourself and you lose everything.
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>>7950120
I noticed this too. I gamed a lot in my life but I was playing a wide variety of games, amazing games, shitty games, obscure games, rare games.. these zoomers are only playing one FPS game for like 6 hours a day. I feel like I wasted my life playing hundreds of games yet there are people playing marvel rivals 5 hours a day but still live fuller lives than me.
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>>7950120
College is just the next step now anon. People who would otherwise have been wasting their lives away at home doing nothing, take on debt to go to college so their parents don't nag them, and proceed to waste their lives there. Also, if we're going to generalize based off anecdotes, I could just as easily talk about how the newer generation is producing extremely talented individuals at a far faster pace than older generations. All seemingly far more skilled and talented due to the resources and programs at their disposal. The older generations didn't know how to take advantage of these resources/didn't have them provided and thus they're all regressed in their potential compared to the newer generations.
See what I did there? That's you. That's what you did.
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>>7949897
>You probably won't make it.
A reasonable thing to warn people. Making it in art is like making it as a rock star, so I'll agree with this.
>This isn't a hobby for (You)
Totally disagree with this. It's a hobby. Something you do for enjoyment. Not a profession. Why the fuck should your talent, or lack thereof, matter in it being your hobby?
If you're only going to do things you're good at, don't ever try something new, because you'll suck at first. Be stagnant. Don't grow. Don't push yourself.
So yeah, while I agree with you in a small way, I disagree with your overall loser mindset.
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>>7949897
You have to have some talent yes. But even guys with talent don't improve because they stay in their comfort zone. You have to be constantly looking for issues, troubleshooting, and grinding those areas to improve. If you're doing it right it's difficult and exhausting.
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>>7950206
desuneeee to me it seems like if you only play for 5 hours a day that's not actually a lot xD
Not sure by what you mean when you say that they "live fuller lives than you".
It is a shame about the variety of games too. I was lucky enough to live through the golden age of flash in the late 2000's early 2010's. Kids these days are subject to the abuse of mobile slop that's more interesting in milking them for money with predatory gambling mechanics and shit. When I was a kid, if you beat the zombie defence flash game on the highest difficulty you got an infinite ammo missile launcher as a reward; nowadays all the guns are behind lootbox gambling and the cool reward gun is a 0.0001% drop rate, and your progression isn't based on skill but on how big your mum's credit card limit is xD
>>7950219
>See what I did there? That's you. That's what you did.
You got me! I tip my fedora to your facts and logic! (JK obv.)
I agree with everything you said absolutely. Also sampling bias, I'm sure the pop of my small town community college has far more people like that than a top school like M.I.T. or Yale. It really wasn't my point, I was just lamenting that ppl with a defeatist mindset are almost always (in my exp.) not the ones with 80 iq and a learning disability. Ask them how much weed or alcohol they consume, how much time they spend on vidya etc. There's almost always some parasite in their lives holding them back from their full potential, and them hyperfixating on talent or genes is usually just a cope to deal with their subconscious feelings of guilt. Because if talent is real then it's not my fault I'm not successful.
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>>7950120
Also I just wanted to add a thought about art vs. gaming (in general):
The reason that I cringed inside at my friend when he said that he hadn't made up his mind on what game to go pro in, is that he just turned 19 or 20 at the time. There are pro gamers like EliGE who genuinely were "that guy", like he was an aspiring pro in Starcraft 2 before he went and became a full time pro in CSGO. Another example is Shroud (former pro CSGO now streamer), who is genuinely cracked at most shooters that he touches. There are pro players who are good enough to potentially pursue their choice of different games. HOWEVER, if you are 20 years old and have never even got close to top 100 in any game, ever, then you thinking you can just waltz into the pro scene cause you feel like it is completely insane. Most pros at least know that they are cracked as teenagers (if not already being scouted). If you are still an average shitter at 20+ you have no chance to go pro. Not even in chess lmao.
The reason that I gave up on my CSGO pro dreams was that I just have a slow rxn time. No matter how hard I grinded or how good my gameknowledge was, at the end of the day CS is a game of 1 shot kills. If I shoot you in the head 0.1 seconds faster, then I win. It's just biology desu.
Look at that olympic swimmer Michael Phelps, his body is just built different, like his proportions are very good for swimming. You could work 100 times harder than him and want it 200 times more, but if you have dwarfism and a club foot, you have no chance to beat him. He could show up drunk and suffering from dysentery and he would still beat you in your best shape every time.
In this sense "talent" or your fixed biological potential beats hard work every time. However, do consider that becoming a pro gamer or Olympian or joining the NFL has odds that are comparable to becoming an astronaut. There's like 10 real* astronauts on earth (or in space lol) at any given time.
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On the other hand, there are millions of practising engineers, with generally above-average salaries, and homes and wives and kids and stuff. An artist is much closer to an engineer than an astronaut. Like consider that at my peak I may have been top 1% or close to it of CSGO players on earth, but that's still hundreds of thousands of players. The economic reality of pro play is absolutely brutal. The bottom half of the top 100 players don't make enough from pro play to compare to a McDonalds worker. I could be wrong nowadays with sponsorships and stuff, but back when I followed esports this is how it worked. The top single digits of players made like 90%+ of the money.
I don't generally regret playing vidya, but honestly thinking back on all the time I've spent, memories like beating fallout 3 as a kid stick out way more than the 10k hours I've spent playing Dust2 over and over again. That time I've spent grinding for CS skill is all just a blur. And what did I have to show for it? Maybe I could have joined a college esport team and stomped some local noobs and won a hundred bucks here and there. Not worth it for the amount of effort and time I put in xD
Now look at art. Pic rel is the series "Scott Pilgrim". It's not the greatest art or story ever, but the guy found huge success with it. Look at his art style! I'm not saying he's a beg or a shitter, but you don't need to spend 10k hours grinding cubes or painting realistic still-lives in an atelier to get to this level xD
There are loads of artists who are /int/ or worse but who have found their audience and are successful and happy!
I understand what OP >>7949897 is saying and it's true to a degree, but ultimately your odds of becoming a decently successful artist are much higher than going pro in esports for example. Go to any local art fair and crabs on this board would have a stroke at some of the art being sold for hundreds of dollars. We aren't all going to be Stan Lee or Kim Jung Gi, and thats O.K. :)
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>ya know, some races genetically have lower IQ and therefore can't achieve greatness
>Anons: hell yeah
>Also, talent in art is tied to IQ and genetics and therefore will cause many of you to fail
>Anons: now hold your horses bucko
Why is this?
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>>7949897
>talent this
>talent that
wtf do people even mean by this bruh. There is no secret technique or magical inborn trait to getting good at art.
Nigga its just a matter of drawing and studying.
Have you never tried to consciously improve at anything in your entire life before?
It's literally always just a matter of time + study * quality of study.
Simple.
step 1. Draw for fun (ideally mostly from reference in order to passively learn)
step 2. Identify the aspects of your art that you are dissatisfied with.
step 3. Research techniques that improve upon that aspect in the way you're looking for. Write notes, find materials, etc.
step 4. Practice said techniques in a way that balances both effectiveness and personal tenacity (It's better to coast off of a consistent stream of energy and put in just 10 minutes of study everyday than operate on infrequent bursts of energy that only let you put in 6 hours of study in every 2 weeks or so. The more consistent you are the more energy you'll have as drawing becomes a real routine and thus less mentally taxing and your skills compound causing you to start making things you really like.)
step 5. Learn the fucking technique. You did it. Great, wonderful, you can now incorporate it into your art. Yayyyy.
Like dude, idk what to tell you. Getting good at art is not fucking rocket science. Literally just use your brain to draft learning plans and put in dozens of hours.
The only kind of real "talent" involved when it comes to art is interest in the subject.
For me, making art became one of the funnest things ever and I started improving super fast when I stopped trying so hard to bend to stuffy rules and arbitrary ways of doing things in an attempt to become da Vinci in a year.
Like, absolutely listen to the masters, they're masters for a reason, but if some kind of practice or method is so unappealing to you that it makes it a fight to pick up a pencil for days on end then find a different way of doing it.
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>>7950914
>wtf do people even mean by this
Some people can pick up a pencil and draw fairly accurately for their first real drawing. And they progress rapidly because they don't need to develop observational skills. They can "just draw" because their limit is set by hand-eye coordination and familiarization with style. Other people draw for the first time and it looks odd and the proportions are fucked up. They have to grind a lot and ideally have an instructor because they literally cannot diagnose why their drawing looks like shit
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>>7951026
> lack of basic critical thinking completely unrelated to drawing?
I think it's more ego and lack of impulse control than anything. Permabegs think that they're better than they are when not drawing and when they start to draw they do not bother to measure out proportions, make sure things are structurally sound they say "fuck it let's rock and roll" which is fun in the beginning but like a sudoku puzzle if you randomly put numbers down in the beginning by the end you can see where you went long.
There was a video I watched that said immaturity is going at the same problem without a change of mindset, by that metric they are immature because they refuse to change their method or SLOW DOWN and think about what they're doing.
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>>7951026
Permabegs fall into two categories from what I've seen: 1 lazy fucks who don't draw even 1% as much as they should, or 2 autistic retards with rigid mentalities that get caught up in the grind and refuse to take time to experiment and have fun.
If you draw a lot, have fun, and self-critique often or have a good mentor to make up for your lack of IQ you have a clear path out of begdom. It's virtually guaranteed, but it will likely take longer than you think.
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>>7951026
most permabegs dont draw. They dont have the passion or the resilience to withstand seeing their shitty art. They have the critical thinking necessary if they just drew more.
The retarded permabegs that draw a ton and still draw like chris chan are completely different and more rare.
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>>7950120
I'm picrel- was picel for a year and I'm happy that others can relate, but getting rid of this guy is like fighting a tide. It I know I have a consumption problem so I threw on audiobooks about psychology and shit and it made me realize we can kind of wear any mindset we want, it doesn't matter if we believe it because if it becomes a habit it eventually comes true. Being that for a year really left me with terrible habits to numb my way through life and now I don't know how to act like a fucking human being anymore.
>like how much productivity and growth could you have if 90% of your free time wasn't spent on vice?
I think about that everyday which has given me an art addiction paired with a nicotine addiction. Those thoughts weigh me down more. It's a scary place to be when you know you're capable of more but can't make yourself do it. and before
>"maybe you don't want it bad enough"
This is not even pertaining to art, Art is the only thing going good in my life. There are days where I'm starving because I ate all the food in my house and I'll be dressed all day only to not go out and eat what ever scraps I can find. I have holes in both my shoes and I just don't want to take the time to go get new ones. It's hell, but I know I can get out of it.
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>>7952406
most people aren't aware of the shart or the fact they have copypastas to troll here. You only become aware of them every so often when someone does what you did right now and show that they have a wiki page dedicated solely to trolling here.
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>>7950120
On pic rel, I've basically been at this point post covid. I think it misses the bias towards fantasy that this man tends to. You effectively imagine an alternate self, someone who somehow becomes defined by action and boldness in the experience of this new 'world' that you've imagined. You essentially rely on 'breaking bad', where something happens, when something just strikes you, and you snap into a different mode that you imagine you have in you.
I think digital drawing doesn't help me, in this instance, because its so easy to fall into fantasy in a way that a more physical mediums wouldn't.
There is something about this that is defined by a lack of a relationship to time also, and an inability to truly conceive of and appreciate 'the end'. Momento Mori is performative for this type of person, because they can imagine the end, but they can't really feel it. There's a single layer of disconnect that cannot be breached due to the state of 'living death' that's been mentioned. I can theorise that because life proper isn't really experienced that death cannot be grasped because theirs no real contrast. Perhaps the better practice in the now is remember discomfort, remember fear, remember conflict even, but i suppose that doesn't have the same gravitas as the former concept.
Theres a few points i could make about online media essentially giving you conflicting narratives that you can essentially cycle through that essentially act as a pressure release valve also, maybe i could mention the fact that the loss of memory also contributes to this but i think you get the point.
I'm not really sure as to what a solution is, at least for the majority of them, its all well and good saying that you need to just act, but given the necessity of narratives to this type of person, this person effectively needs to go inwards and develop an almost spiritual level of self knowledge in order to create a narrative that actually drives them forward.
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>>7952531
Wow, I never expected to feel such a connection to a 4chan post. Especially the "breaking bad" part. I've always imagined myself sitting down and properly studying something that I needed to change, or suddenly becoming a perfect person, and it often involved a death of a relative or a sudden change in environment. And yet I never acted on those fantasies.
And I really need narratives to do things too. Your comment on developing introspection and creating a narrative for myself may help me greatly. Thank you.
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>>7949897
I will kill myself if I am not as good as the 14 year old prodigies on twitter by the time I'm 30. I don't want to die, and I'm not a pussy either so I can't back out. I now must train obsessively to stay alive.
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>>7950219
>People who would otherwise have been wasting their lives away at home doing nothing, take on debt to go to college so their parents don't nag them, and proceed to waste their lives there.
Jesus that describes me. Purely went to shut my parents up, I dropped out of the first course because it was too hard and I'm on this other one that I can handle but I'm never going to be able to get a job from it. This is a self-inflicted problem on my parents' part, if you wanted a functional human being, don't give them unsupervised 24/7 internet access as a child. Normies are so retarded and take for granted everything that shaped them like you'll automatically just pick it up by existing.
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>>7952589
i wonder, are your parents wealthy or otherwise do you suspect you could NEET with no trouble but their nagging? i also grew up relatively online but i got kicked out at 18 and so i had to force myself to attend uni and get a decent degree (cs -- got a job from it, pays okay, but i'm not happy in any sense of the word. still ""normal"" passing however)
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>>7952589
I really don't understand how people go into college and fail out. I have had unsupervised access to the internet since I was 5. Browsed a lot of 4chan since 13, now 27. Played video games throughout all of my childhood and college.
However, I still showed up and did the work expected of me and passed, even transferred schools to a more prestigious one, and while harder, I still managed to just do every assignment and have a good enough GPA and graduated.
I did it because it was just expected. I never had the mentality that one could just fail. In my mind, failing was not an option and had very harsh consequences. Most colleges, if you just turn in every assignment you will pass. The guidelines are there and laid out cleanly for you, select the answers, do the project according to this rubric, etc. All you have to do is just try. There is very little creativity in college work.
You could argue that I'm a cattle NPC/whatever, and maybe I wasn't fully conscious back then, but these are the basic trials of our society. It's the fact that you never even tried is why you failed out. I just cannot comprehend such a mentality. This mentality has made me very successful even in my career. I just fucking try. Half the time I don't know exactly what I'm doing, but I just try.
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>>7952690
It's the first taste of real freedom and self direction for many people. Pair that with things like avoidance, anxiety, depression, etc and now you have people that just rot away in their dorms until the academics office calls and tells them they're being kicked out.
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>>7952698
Yes, I rotted away in my dorm, I had severe social anxiety for my time at university which has gotten better. The problem here is your locus of control, reading your posts, I'm detecting a very strong external locus of control mentality. Pic related. People with these ways of thinking are shown to be less successful in life.
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>>7952707
Anyways the point still stands, and to tie it back to the boards theme, I'd imagine people who take up art as a hobby would have this fact shoved in their face very blatantly.
When I put a pencil to the paper, and my lines come out wonky, perspective is shit, values are bad, etc. I have no one to blame but myself. It's the simple fact that I'm not skilled enough presented right back to me expressed visually on the page.
How can one continue to do art as a hobby without this mentality?
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>>7952714
Obviously they get hung up on the fact they don't have the talent level they wish they had, or they complain about starting too late or whatever. People will always find a reason to wallow in self-pity.
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>>7952531
>I'm not really sure as to what a solution is
Yeah it's a tricky one, but ultimately my hypothesis is that it's just habits through and through. That's why fake it 'till you make it is a thing. After watching a Danny Gonzalez video and participating in a forms of hypnosis I understand that it does work because it puts a more solution framework at the forefront of your mind so that may be one of many solutions along with CBT. At first this person was deluded as
>You effectively imagine an alternate self, someone who somehow becomes defined by action and boldness
but when reality crashes down your house of cards you may become deluded the other way and this is the result.
blame anime for a lot of this, the MC has things happen to them so they aren't really active but reactive, and in their darkest hour some hidden power tends to come and save them, as kids we believe that and it leads to you waiting for your life to begin while watching it pass by and if you don't take the steps to organize your thoughts as a child this will still be a subconscious drive.
>You essentially rely on 'breaking bad', where something happens, when something just strikes you, and you snap into a different mode that you imagine you have in you.
The problem for me is that, it was absolutely this for the majority of my life. When I quit jobs because my ego gets the best of me, when I'm at $3000 I buckle down do what needs to be done and make things happen, it sucks and the anxiety and stress really isn't fun, get it done. It got me in shape, and in many crisis situations I take control and people look towards me. It doesn't work with art, I quit my job 3/4 times thinking I'd do what I need to for art and it didn't happen. Working out has taught me the way I learn is doing it wrong until the pain is enough that I'll actually bother with progressions. Maybe that's the solution in life, doing 'your way' and getting btfo until reality can humble you enough to try trodden paths.
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>>7950914
I have absolutely 0 intuition for drawing. Nothing looks right or wrong to me, it's all meaningless lines on a piece of paper that represent nothing. I can't just "feel out" how to do anything, and I have no real process beyond wild guesswork that I can't refine through trial and error, because I wouldn't even be able to recognize if I somehow did something correctly.
I'm not sure how to proceed from this point. I can't find any resource that answers my questions or provides solutions to my problems. If I had a basic foundation to build from, like a process I understood or even just a good fundamental understanding of how the skill worked and what I should be trying to do, I think I could play around with drawing and get somewhere. It seems like every resource expects some measure of intuition form the reader, though, and treats that as the foundation of the skill that everything else is built off of.
>>7951026
I have had no issues teaching myself other skills. Drawing is just fucking weird and unintuitive in a way nothing else is.
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>>7952801
dw anon im developing a gumroad on perspective that explains perspective from first principles from light rays and pinholes and after that ways to construct things without having to guess constantly, or atleast a way to refine your guesses by being able to actually check the geometry of your boxes either with software or with compass and straight edge, and a method of drawing organic forms quickly and easily (and actually correctly from first principles with visual math proof) without wanting to blow your brains out
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/34138e810f
there will be visual proofs and graphs of the concepts and shit that im working on anon, it will be paid content but ic people will get it for cheap before i raise prices with more content added on but people who bought it keeping it with the updates
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>>7952275
>numb my way through life
in my experience this is my biggest problem: depression and dopamine frying making you not feel like doing something even if you know you'll probably have fun.
>be /beg/
>like drawing
>can spend hours just drawing and listening to music
>feelsgoodman, keep doing it
>get okay
>take the first steps on the upward spiral
>suddenly stop
>just doomscroll and download 'references' for 'inspiration' off pixiv when not playing tf2
>pick back up in 6 months and repeat
Sure i could knuckle-under and force myself to draw but it's like the gym. If i'm not already in a routine, the second i stumble i'm likely to death spiral back into bedrotting.
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>>7952690
you described me completely, down to the age and internet exposure. completely agree, you literally just play the game and you win. But in real life, you can do everything "right" and still lose. And now this mentality is really biting me in the ass because like >>7952531 mentioned, my narrative was to repress everything while chasing some idealized caricature.
>get good college
>get good grades
>get good job
>get good car
>get good house
>NOW you can find woman/frens/family because a flashy job and the consumerism above is the only way people will value you
>????
>Profit
Well, I reached the 'time to make friends' stage of my retard plan then lost the flashy job for something mundane so I'm crashing the fuck out because I now realize I was waiting to give myself permission to live life and just ignoring the void with vices because it was easier than filling it with stuff that matters like friends and hobbies.
I blew a LOT of chances at making real connections over the years... it fucking sucks and i feel guilty complaining but i'm slowly trying to cope and made contact with some of the few friends i actually have that i've been neglecting.
this doesn't really have much to do with drawing other than i'm a depressed recluse who struggles to maintain a drawing routine because there are no motivations or goals for me other than self-satisfaction. i'm also very shy about wanting to draw even though i know having drawfriends would probably help me do it more and have lots of fun but i'm too much of a zombie to know where to find them in my late 20s.
>tl;dr - overachieving self loathing man of inaction whining because he wants to git gud enough to deliver quality to anons in drawthreads but blames depression for not trying
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>>7953058
>struggles to maintain a drawing routine because there are no motivations or goals
>shy about wanting to draw
You're making the same mistakes still. Stop being so hard on yourself and start enjoying the process.
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>>7953058
>But in real life, you can do everything "right" and still lose
This is very much true and the tragedy of existence. In my case, I did everything right graduated from a good college and got my dream job at 23 in a respectable research position with very high pay. However, existential anxiety kept creeping in and I ended up having a quarter life crisis. I climbed the mountain society laid out for me as was met with pic related.
That's when I realized a foundational component to human life is spiritual. I was missing the "why". Sure you can "just try" as I said and do things because other successful people do them but after a while you start to feel like your running on a treadmill.
By spiritual, I don't mean Christianity or any major religion. It can be those, but studying philosophy can fill in that gap as well. It's ultimately what speaks to you, active experimentation is crucial here. It helps you frame your life around something bigger, instead of the aimless and nihilistic goal chasing society throws at you.
You're in a good position. It's good that you have this self awareness. Sometimes you really have to climb the mountain of metaphorical shit to really see what it has to offer before realizing it's not for you.
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>>7949897
if I can be 1% better then I'll be 1% better.
As long as I continue seeing improvement in my art, I won't stop drawing.
I don't care if some prodigy is at pro level by 17 years old, I'm doing this for my own satisfaction.
And no one, especially not some nodraw retard like yourself on this cesspool of a website will get me to waver.
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>>7953688
I work with autistic children and you're sorta correct about the IQ connection, although I wouldn't say "talent". "Talented" or "gifted" only applies to people who have a natural knack for art due to being born with high 3D visualization. And even then, you have to actually do the hard work, problem-solve, and be consistent to make gains otherwise you're just sitting on your laurels.
I've seen a lot of art made by autistic kids from all three levels of support, and I've also seen art from non-autistic kids with varying levels of IQ. From my observations, Level 1 autistic kids and Level 3 autistic kids both struggle with art, but the Level 2 ones tend to figure it out sooner and show gains rather quickly. The Level 3 kids almost NEVER figure it out while the Level 1 kids eventually get over the hurdle and blossom should they persist.
What the Level 3 autistic kids and low IQ kids have in common is a lack of consistency, a criminal lack of support from someone who can teach them art, and taking way too long to get their work. On top of that, they're exposed to too many screens from a young age which has been proven to affect hand-eye coordination, 3D visualization, and IQ.
Chris Chan has average IQ (you'd be surprised just how dumb the average IQ person really is, even when they're not autistic), deficiencies in EQ, and is clearly Level 2. He's also not very consistent with drawing, hence his art stagnation/regression. Similarly, a lot of Deviantart retards just don't draw on a daily basis and never figure out that you need to think in 3D and copy from other people's art. All they do is look at screens!
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>>7953336
>start enjoying the process.
the problem isn't 'learning' how to enjoy, the problem is getting that feeling back at all. Not to start a pity party but when you're depressed joy turns into an accidental, pleasant surprise that slips further away the more you manically chase it. It's like being hungry in the grocery store when nothing looks or sounds appetizing. Even if you like Doritos and can intellectualize being hungry, the decision to pick them up doesn't come.
idk. it's hard to describe to people who haven't been through it. i feel like a lot of people (me) who constantly hobby hop to and from art have other issues to fix before "enjoy the process" isn't just copium to huff before burning out. I'm pretty secure in my genuine, non-manic enjoyment of drawing when I'm not a rotting mess, unlike other hobby attempts like fucking golf. Just have to find whatever combination of brute force and smart-planning will get me stable enough to enjoy hobbies again.
>>7953444
>pic related
ironically i've been to that exit many times and ate at that pizza hut. it's a small, necessary pimple on an otherwise beautiful area. its funny how easy it is to laser focus on negativity but i agree with all the sentiments, anon. For me I always think back to the Maslow hierarchy. i'm getting BTFO by tier 3 (love and belonging) so it's no surprise I fumble on esteem and self-actualization steps (where Drawing lives).
Spirituality is something i need to chew on for a while. I know it needs to be a big part of my life and will certainly help with maslow progression, but the last thing I want is to treat it as the new-and-shiny for 4 months then drop it to get into pickle ball or something.
>>7953688
if you never learn how to learn you never get better at anything. most Deviantart MSpainters are too busy gooning and/or are too autistic to reflect on what OTHERS might see when looking at the piece.
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>>7953742
>most Deviantart MSpainters are too busy gooning and/or are too autistic to reflect on what OTHERS might see when looking at the piece
Anon, that's precisely why they can never get good. They are quite literally brain damaged.
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>>7951026
It’s a combination of ego and lack of discipline. If you think you are really good at something you won’t see your mistakes. If you don’t see your mistakes you won’t know what to improve on. If you don’t know what to improve on, you won’t formulate any plan on how to fix your mistakes. And so begins the endless cycle.
The ego is the biggest issue. I am a musician too and the correlation of humility to skill in the music world is absurd. All the most dogshit musicians I’ve played with make it their whole identity and focus on their bullshit “vision” instead of seeking to better their craft and letting that vision manifest.
The same goes for art. I’ve been venturing into the art community where I live, and some of the people I meet who carry a fucking easel around and wear paint-splattered overalls are just terrible, pre-/beg/ tier artists who can’t see past their delusion whatsoever. Meanwhile the best artists I’ve met work full-time, have wife/kids, etc and make the most beautiful, soulful shit I’ve ever seen. You could make a chad/virgin meme about it, it’s such an insane contrast.
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>>7953637
> on this cesspool of a website will get me to waver.
This is a cesspool of a website. Why are you on here? You do recognize that you're the average of who you hang around with? look where you're hanging around. Look at your favorite artists, what are their routines? Do they go on cesspool sites to get critique? How often do they draw? Did they have an actual plan instead of lazily using "hope" and "Determination" as one? What are they doing that's different from what you're doing?
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>>7950120
It's funny because I recently quit gaming just to get back into art. Gaming to me felt like a complete time waster. I kept playing the same games and it made me feel like my life was going nowhere. With art though, I'm at peace and feel like I'm developing an actual skill.
I'm 23 by the way.
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>>7957091
It’s a good thing you realized this early. Many people never do. Gaming is to some extent a form of art appreciation, just like being a film buff or a music nerd. But as you get older the horror of mortality really sets in and you start to value hobbies that will gain you useful skills, good friends, or money. Gaming does basically none of these and (in my opinion) isn’t even that interesting of a conversation topic.
Story/RP games are nice because they are immersive and beautiful, but MOBAs, battle royale shooters and such are designed to just burn your fucking life away and eventually get to your wallet. It’s not worth it and every match is the same anyway.
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>>7949897
>can't draw one line after 10 minutes of trying
>*sigh*
>types 4chan.org/ic
>start a thread
>Look -- if you don't have talent, give up on art.
Faggots if you don't have anything better to do with your time you could be drawing.
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>>7952531
the breaking bad fantasy is comforting because its an objective event that has pushes you in a clear direction, so you know what you should do. The world we live in now is more like the shinigami world in deathnote, just a lot of grey and nothing with everyone playing cards and sitting around. There's no reason to do anything, nothing to fear, just waiting until death. Every single world tragedy that happens or will happen has a solution but its outside of our power. We literally can't do anything, there are no more revolutions or technological advancements. We're litearlly the last few gens of humans left but if you're over 30 you remember the world before all this so you are extra hopeless.
Drawing is still the best thing you can do despite all this. Any creative hobby, really. We still have that.
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>>7952440
Sharty
They're a subsect of edgy morons who hate 4chan cause they wanna be different and spam the site with as much worthless spam as possible
This is one of them, crushing the dreams of people who want to draw because... idk, doctos or something
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>>7957422
This is how things have been since the discovery of agriculture. The only difference now is we work pointless jobs whereas in the past you were actually making shit or you were pulling food out of the ground to eat. Sometimes I envy guys that work trades but I watched my dad do it and it fucks you up physically and you have to deal with the lowest dregs of society. Plus doing manual labor gets old fucking fast when you know you could make triple the salary with the only downside being the retards you're forced to play nice with. Lots of shit in the modern world just saps the meaning out of life. Science, industrialization, communication technology, and democratization are a catch-22. They've removed the cope previous generations were afforded that made the existential nature of collective living tolerable. But it's not that they were necessarily better off, it just stung less.
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>>7957504
i'm actually OP and i did not come from sharty. if my OP message made it there then know it did not (((originate))) from sharty
i've been drawing every day since the year began and felt a bit depressed at my lack of progress and honestly how little time i have to devote to art. i then thought about all my wasted time -- the years i spent "studying" (scribble for 30 minutes every other week) or outright not drawing and felt deep depression >>7952241 mostly wanted reassurance posts or someone attacking that mindset
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>>7957672
It's okay OP you're allowed to sperg out every once in a while. And some anons benefited through that spergging to realize that they aren't alone regarding the situation that they're in. Hopefully they can self reflect as you had and try to steer their lives in a different direction.
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To those who need to see this.
1.Talent you're born with, skill takes time.
2. If you're young your skill alone, overtime, will match or even surpass talent.
3. In every niche you'll find which is more predominant. Skill vs talent.
I'll explain 3.
Sining opera is a talent. You have to be born with it and then with practice aquire skills to compete amongst the best.
Being a good singer is skill mostly. Is the looks, relationships, acting in front of crowds...etc. Lots of skills.
Both pay good.
So with art it's very similar. You have painters, comic writers, graphic designers...
Except for painters, which is mostly talent, the rest are mostly skills.
How to draw a specific way, or funny comics or rule34 art.
Basically you can make it but be aware in which niche you're developing your skills.
If it's a niche where talent is whats valued then you'll be wasting your time.
So drawing well is a talent.
But drawing well a comic, rule34, a specific art style or at a company's request and taste now that's a skill.
And they both pay well
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