>>65061315
ummm that's not the F35?

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>>65061315
No quite

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>>65061315
True...

>>65061315
>Libya had 90+ MiG-25s in service at one point
Modern armed forces are weak and gay.

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>>65061315
>Migger
I don't even think about you

>>65061602
one of the hardest pictures of all time

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Considering the number that were airworthy, and the relative capacity gap, is there anyone who things the ME-262 was not the greatest aircraft of all time?

The Lewis brothers made the first plane, the gap between 0 and 1 is infinite. But that's only a technical victory.
In real terms no aircraft has ever had such an overwhelming advantage in symmetrical or doctrinal combat then the ME-262

>>65061636
>In real terms no aircraft has ever had such an overwhelming advantage in symmetrical or doctrinal combat then the ME-26
Maybe the Eindecker in WWI?

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>>65061315
Thought those were F-15s at first glance, Mcdonnell really just ripped off Mikoyan's design.
>>65061602
They look fat.

>>65061636
The americans and brits countered the predictable me 262 with boom and zoom which forced them into defensive horizontal maneuvers which they could not reasonably be expected to survive. The jet engine simply wasn't ready to surpass the more mature prop planes. The germans never fully matured when it came to energy retention in turns. They inevitably made shit jet planes because they couldn't even make a well-rounded prop plane.

>>65061640
The focker was the first air superiority fighter, at least of note, so was doctrinal not symmetrical. It was a fighter for shooting down spotter planes, not a "good" fighter.

It represented a change in doctrine rather than a leap in technical performance. Some will value one other the other, strategic development over technical advancement but that is neither here nor there. The fockker was an advancement in doctrine, i think everyone can agree on that. If the Lewis brothers made the first plane, he fokker was the first fighter. But first is not best, the me-262 was a fighter that raped all other fighters, it wasn't just a symmetrical victory, it was an order of magnitude advancement.

>>65061657
True that the Germans, having strapped two jet engines to a propeller plane could hardly maneuvour it.

But the value of air superiority fighters was primarily to take out bombers. The me-262 was the first interceptor fighter. Shooting down escort fighters was sort of a non objective, doctrine was to take out the bombers and to do that, you had to intercept.

I concede in advance that I'm dancing around whether an interceptor is a kind of air superiority fighter or not... but in terms of Kino?

The ME-262 was the most Kino plane to ever exist. It flew combat missions, everyone who saw it thought it was divine weapon, nobody knew how it worked at all, it had no propeller, it was a hundred kmph faster in cruise then anything else, it passed you as fast as a car on the Freeway passes a speed camera, but the speed camera was going 350, the ME was going 450.

And I may also point out that the me 263 did 590mph. In 1945. I would put it first only that the m262 was it's predecessor, and it was still essentially experimental.

>>65061602
What purpose to the manboobs serve

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>>65061315
No aircraft has ever been so consequential to fortunes of an entire nation such as the Spitfire has and no aircraft before or since is a match for its pure elegance and grace

>>65061684
Those are their second set of arms tucked in.

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>>65061626

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>>65061636
(You) managed to include the two greatest single seat fighter aircraft of World War II in the pic
1. the twin-turbosupercharged zenith of piston engine fighters
2. its twin-axial flow turbojet powered successor

passing the baton

>>65061636
It definitely hit hard.

I read a really good 262 book by Colin Heaton where he compiles all his interviews from US, Brit, and German interviewees about the plane.
The book painted a complete picture, all the way from the 262 cockpit controls to US policy in dealing with the plane. One of the things that the book mentioned in a interview with Doolittle was that US congress was very nearly about to stop the day-time bombing raids. The 262 made quite an impact on US casualties.

But I wouldn't call it the greatest aircraft of all time. To me the DC-3 would be more fitting.

>>65061657
The majority of 262 combat losses were from US aircraft camping the German airfields, not from any kind of impressive aerial combat. The only decent way the allied planes could even attempt to kill them is if they were landing or taking off. That's why late-war German airfields moved almost every other week. You can imagine what that did to logistics.
262 tactics were very specific and utilized the plane's advantages. They fly a horizontal sine wave for the attack. They either attack while climbing or decending. But it's essentially just a hit and run. They didn't hang around and dogfight. The tactic was horrendous on bomber formations. The 30mm cannon was perfect for this. It only took 3 or 4 rounds to separate a B-17 wing from the fuselage.

You're hating on the 262, but the US modeled their post-war interceptors on the idealogy behind the 262. Speed > maneuverability. Think about the F-104 and F-102.

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Lol nope.
It's not even close.

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>>65062450
Right arm of the free world.

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>>65062468

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>>65062477

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>>65062482
I wrote and drew a manga once about American and Japanese pilots in F-4s fighting off an alien invasion.

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>>65062484

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The P-40 has some of the coolest nose art imo.

>>65062447
Me 262 was incredible and amazing for its time.
Problem with its actual service history, is that by the time operationally deployed 1944 Germany was in big trouble logistically, mostly in the manufacture and production of the brand-new powerplants Jumo 004 that required not only thorough manufacturing tolerances but even more critically, rare materials that were in short supply. If ? Germany's industies especially the engine manufacturers were able to get reliable powerplants built a year or two earlier, or the war had gone on longer duration/Germany hadn't become so logistically and resource-stressed due to the conflict, the Me 262's combat reliability and deployment might have turned out differently.

>>65062477
Great pic

>>65061684
CO2 fired floatation device.

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>>65061315
move aside

>>65061684
it holds snacks since there are no stewardesses

>>65061315
/k/id word

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>>65062444
>P-38

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>>65063665
Without giving anything but yes to that, people tend to forget about that phatass Jug

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>>65061315
>>65061816
>>65062900

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>>65062444
I CANT TURN!

P-38 had good range but it’s a cope to say it was a good dogfighter in Europe.

>>65061376
No other airplane was even near being such an inspiration for countless SF designs, comics, anime and movies.
In terms of air-frames, F-14 and Mi-24 ware the most inspiring designs in the history of aviation.


I case my rest.

>>65064088
>cope
Dumbass, they beat P51's to Berlin and the krauts dubbed it "Fork Tailed Devil" in 1943 for a reason.

>>65064088
>to say
checked, I *never said that* but since you trolled it up 1) by mid-1944 when the L variant that solved all of the high altitude issues of previous versions and had boosted controls was in production, executive decision had already been made to make the P-51 USAAF's bomber escort fighter of the Eighth and the Lightning remained in strong demand in the Pacific until end of the war, and 2) the P-38 was an excellent dogfighter *everywhere* in the Pacific and Europe throughout the war, could turn and roll with the best Allied and Axis fighters of 1945 but it was bigger heavier and more complex than its contemporaries so, to 'dogfight' with it you also had to have proficiency not only with its controls, stick, throttle, fuel mixture, flaps, propellers, two separate engines etc. as pilot but also its size and mass. Be able to use its maneuvering energy and advantages tactically (as is true for any fighter airplane) and optimally. This learning curve required time and training; also the P-38, especially later variants were not the single seat fighter that a rookie USAAF pilot just off a T-6 could hop right into, they needed multiengine proficiency at bare minimum. It wasn't like flying a P-40 or P-51, there was more to it. Formidable machine if you were a competent well trained enthusiastic pilot.
3) (You) stole my FJ-4 pic

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>>65061315

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most kino World War II flying boat

>>65061816
لم تكن أي طائرة قط ذات تأثير مصيري في مصائر أمة بأسرها كما كانت طائرة "سبيتفاير"، ولم تضاهِها أي طائرة —سواء قبلها أو بعدها— في أناقتها الخالصة ورشاقتها.

>>65062450
I do love cranked wings.

>>65061386
This was a monster.

>>65067747
Is it still a canard when it's a control surface?
Regardless, that's just a weird angle on the front-right canard, right?
It's not an experiment like oblique wings?

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>>65069052
Canards are a control surface, it doesn't matter what gay concept you want to put it into.
That tag under the cockpit on Concord's.
Live and learn.

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>>65061315
Step aside

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>>65069428
in 1940-41 it was the most kino naval aircraft yet deployed

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>>65061315
>most kino plane in history
Platz, düsengetriebener Pöbel.

>>65061383
Min Gud.

>>65062447
>You're hating on the 262, but the US modeled their post-war interceptors on the idealogy behind the 262. Speed > maneuverability. Think about the F-104 and F-102.
The speed > maneuverability ideology comes from the basic need of intercepting bombers cruising at 400mph+ above 30,000 feet. The Germans weren't the only ones to make the realization you actually have to get to the bomber in order to intercept it.

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>nobody posted it yet

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>>65061315
MiG-31 is kinoer

I wonder how sexy planes will be when aerodynamics becomes irrelevant.

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>>65070941 Maybe they will make a manned version of this.

>>65070920
The rest of the plane is pretty neat but that tail is even weirder.
It's somehow combines horizontal stabilisers with the opposite of a leading edge extension.
Probably something to do with vortexes sliding down the wing to the body.

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>>65062444
>passing the baton
There's only one early jet I'd call a successor to the Lightning, and it's not that kraut POS.

>>65072296
that's a naval fighter nothing to do with either P-38 or the Me 262
the original FH-1 Phantom was underpowered and wouldn't enter operational service until a couple of years post-war. Banshee was a further development years later with different newer engines
Lockheed's P-80 is the American 'successor' to the P-38 (and could ? have faced off against the Me 262 in Europe had the war continued)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAobKbzxn50

>>65070308
KINO forza ferrari

>>65073600
checked, one tragedy of the WWII 'warbird' scene is that no Junkers Ju 87 Stukas made it

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>>65061376
Let if fly one last mission

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>>65061355
F-35 doesn't have a 112:0 air to air KD.

>>65074140
>maintenance nightmare in plane form

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Used to think the F16 had the best and most intuitive controls but, I think the F18 might be slightly ahead on that front now.

But, the F16 is cheaper and can take 9g sustained

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>>65061816
Justice for he Hurricane. More than 60% of German planes in the Battle of britain downed by Hurricanes. Another the Imperial Guard does the job, space marines get the credit.

>>65075275

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>>65070772

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>>65074338

>>65075299
Only because the Hurricane had the numbers advantage at the time. The Spitfire far outstripped it across the whole war, they made like twenty marks for every occasion. Pretty much the only thing it couldn't do was long-range operations.

>>65076610
"Repeat please"
More kills by No.303 Polish Fighter Squadron than anyone else.
Sometimes it's personal.

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for me it's the humble caravan, the most kino plane

>>65077400
checked, for civil / general aviation one of mine is the Cessna 340A twin
for single, the Cessna P210R pressurized Centurion (last couple years of production)

>>65074378
f18 flight control system is a work of art

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>>65078758
>500x400

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The Beech 17 stagger wing is a gorgeous plane.

>>65079222
checked, fat albert

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>>65061636
F-15 remains undefeated in air to air combat after 52 years.

>>65064104
What did the F-14 inspire other than the VF-1?

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>>65079572
A legacy Hornet just defeated 3 at once

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>>65061315
>>65061376
>>65061381
>>65061383
No, no, no and no
If your plane doesnt look like a space fighter from an 80s japanese cartoon movie, your plane is not cool enough for the big boy league

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>>65079622
hnnnnnghh

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>>65079622
dat ass

>>65079622
checked, I do love Drakens
most kino 1950s jet fighter

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>>65079622
Have this old Draken gif

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>>65079599
Never heard of this before. But that just features actual F-14s, not some sci-fi plane based on it.
Plot summary reads like one of those Russian isekai novels.

>>65080548
>Never heard of this before
It's the real F-14 movie five full years prior to the faggot one (and with a lot better flight deck and aerial footage)

>>65061383
Viggen is such a goddamn beauty.
The Swedish camo pattern is also incredibly kino.

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>>65079432

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Beech only made 1 with a v tail and I think it is a cool little plane.

>>65079572
WWII planes saw more peer combat in a month than the F-15 had in its entire lifetime.

Most of its kills are the Israelis raping absolutely helpless obsolete Syrian aircraft.

>>65081961
pretty much all post-1980s 'air combat history' is a jokelarp

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>>65082062
Some people still dare to be cool in a world of boring ass BVR turkey shoots and PGMs dropped from stealth aircraft against uselessly obsolete foes (US) or civilians (Israel)

https://youtu.be/GNO_WuXLNfU

>>65082071
based

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>>65073600

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>2nd place
Goes into enemy territory, drops bomb, already on its way home wile air defense is dumping blindly into the air.

>>65061636
If the 262s were genuinely a problem the Allies would have moved Meteors over from the UK to fight them on equal terms.

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>1st place
Goes into enemy territory too fast to be touched.

>>65061386
I cri evrytiem

>>65061636
>The Lewis brothers made the first plane
I think you're looking for Earth-473. This is Earth-841

>>65061636
>In real terms no aircraft has ever had such an overwhelming advantage in symmetrical or doctrinal combat then the ME-262
*cough* Fokker Eindecker *cough*