>>65070750
Never owned a lever gat. Hope to one day for cheap range practice and possibly having a common bullet for that and a revolver.

Anyway, why do people seem to dunk on lever actions? I've seen people literally just post
>but it's lever action
As if that was supposed to say it all. Why do some people hate them?

>>65070793
>. Hope to one day for cheap range practice and possibly having a common bullet for that and a revolver.
I just picked up a 12 shot uberti and Henry 22 waiting for me to pick up. I got them just for cheap practice so I don't have to use my 45 colt all the time

>>65070798
Neato. Availability is a big issue here so I was wondering about getting a Rossi because it's budget enough I wouldn't be butthurt if it breaks and I can't find replacement parts or something.

>>65070804
What do Rossis cost in your area?

>>65070810
Rossi Puma is like $1100. Slightly more expensive than budget Turkish guns for comparison.

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What do you guys think about one of these for an SBR build? I was thinking 45 70

>>65070831
That seems expensive

>>65070874
Yeah, guns aren't quite that popular yet over here so it's all starting just now. Plus foreign stuff from far away generally will be even more so. You can get .22lr chambered stuff for like $200.

I want a BLR because I'm a fuckin weeb but all the ammo for these things is like $2 a round no matter what caliber, why the fuck are guns so expensive

>>65070750
Are you incapable of imagining things in your minds eye? Why photoshop that.

>>65071102
I am not sure if you are making a joke or not

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>>65070793
>Hope to one day for cheap range practice and possibly having a common bullet for that and a revolver.
.357 Magnum is a good caliber choice for that, easy to shoot as a handgun cartridge, and works well as a light rifle cartridge (gets a nice boost from all that extra barrel, has very mild recoil, less loud than the handgun), and you can obviously also use .38 Special, with ammo not being that expensive.

>Why do some people hate them?
Those are people who don't actually like and enjoy guns for real, they can't really conceptualize why anything but a Glock 17 or AR15 would ever need to exist, and it upsets them.
Imagine someone who looks at Cowboy Action, Three Gun, or just collecting, and all they can think of is "But what's THAT good for?"

Some of this is for poorfag reasons, some of it is just autism (the boring kind). Occasionally both.

>>65070804
Rossi are ok, but they're worth doing a bit of work on when you get them. Lever can feel a bit gritty on some of them out of the box, stiff loading gate with sharp-ish edges, and often the wood is worth refinishing.
If you're willing to work with your hands and use some tools, it's pretty easy to fix those things, and they'll become pretty nice with that effort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENMY1wTN2I

>>65071102
That's real, you fuckhead.
https://www.henryusa.com/firearm/spd-predator/

>>65070793
>Anyway, why do people seem to dunk on lever actions?
I have a new manufactured marlin by Ruger or whomever and the thing doesn't always shoot. Other gun designs seem a lot easier to troubleshoot

>>65071131
Have you asked customer service about it?

>>65071130
LOL fair

>>65071141
In this fags defense, it does look like bad shop or ai

>>65070832
I can advise you right now a mares leg .45-70 is a gun you will only ever shoot for meme value and you will rapidly lose interest in. If you want a .45-70 get a full size rifle or a BFR.
>>65071125
Can confirm, my .454 puma was pretty gritty and rough until I shot/worked it nice. Then I fucked up the action trying to make a 405gr load using .458 hardcast swaged down to .452 and modified trapdoor load data. Now it sits in the safe as a poingant reminder that I am the reason I cannot have nice things.

>>65070977
>BLR
>weeb
Elaborate.

>>65071259
So, is the gun just completely fucked, or what?
If the receiver is still good, maybe you could get it repaired.

>>65071125
Yeah, I've heard the biggest problem can be fixed by just dry cycling it while watching something for a few weeks on end.

As for the other problems, I'd probably just let the gunsmith handle the sharp edges, wood I could probably do myself. Might just get one whenever I can be bothered to haul my ass to a shop that has one. Thanks anon.

>>65070977
>All the ammo is 2$ a round no matter what caliber
Are you talking about an original or something? The modern ones are all in common calibers

Was Winchester's toggle link action as weak as they say?

>>65070793
>Anyway, why do people seem to dunk on lever actions?
weaker action, inability to use spitzer cartidges before leverlution, annoying to shoot prone, some are garbage.

i had a marlin 1894 that caught 'marlin jam' that was a yuge POS, got it on accident right after the remington buy out and it was terribad. canted barrel, shitty stock, previously mentioned marlin jam etc. big whoopsies.

thinking about a stainless rossi in 44 to go with my 44 revolver though.

>>65071375
Yes

>>65071375
Only really because of the metallurgy of the time.

>>65071396
No, it's just not a strong design. You aren't putting a modern rifle round in a modern toggle lock

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>>65071400
Nigger, you don't know shit, the Maxim machinegun is a toggle-locked gun and it did all of the full powered, smokeless military infantry rifle cartridges of the WW1/WW2 era, on top of the .50 caliber balloon buster guns.

>>65071435
It was also fucking HUGE, retard. You can build a direct blowback 300 winmag if you want. That doesn't mean it's in any way practical

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>>65071400
30-06 in a toggle lock. This was no the only toggle lock rifle the US army trialed.
Winchester also had their own version in addition to several shotgun varieties.

>>65071454
>a direct blowback 300 winmag
how heavy would that bolt be? i know there is a formula to figure that out

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>>65071381
They really got me wanting one bad because of how shiny those sexy stainless ones are. I have had been had!

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>>65071454
No kidding the size makes a difference (nevermind that the Maxim was designed for outright hundreds of thousands of rounds of sustained fire, so everything is overbuilt for that purpose), but so does THE FUCKING METALLURGY.

Aside from the Winchester 1876 rifle doing cartridges like .45-75 Winchester and .50-95 Express with a beefed up receiver and toggle, the Swiss LMG25 uses a toggle-locked action in 7.5x55mm Swiss, the German MG18 machinegun from WW1 was designed for a 13.2mm cartridge comparable to .50BMG, and there's yet more.

The Swiss Tb41 is a toggle-locked 24x139mm automatic cannon.
In essence, shut your fucking mouth and stop talking.

>>65071259
>BFR
how is a bfr better than an SBR?

>>65071381
>i had a marlin 1894 that caught 'marlin jam' that was a yuge POS
You had a Remlin. Notorious pieces of shit. Part of the reason everyone loves the Ruger Marlins now.

>>65071591
yeah it was bad. although at the time i had was reading that 'marlin jam' was a thing with the 1894, the lifter is a softer metal than the lever and it would wear a groove into the lifter and let two in from the tube, i would bring my screwdriver set to take the action apart to clear it.

it was super accurate though with a little bushnel 2x. almost regret selling it. will probably get >>65071564
to satisfy that itch.

i've also got a marlin 336 in 30-30 but i don't really take it out much.

>>65071591
Yeah, Remington bought Marlin and then ran them into the absolute ground. LOT of rough rifles came out of that, not all of them were bad, but a really unacceptably high amount of them had problems.
There's an old picture, I wish I had saved it, of someone on here having bought a Remington Marlin rifle, and it was one of the straight grip stocked rifles, but it fucking had the lever from a rifle with the curved profile grip. I think it functioned, but it looked ridiculous.

With Remington swirling the drain because of getting sued for so much of their bullshit (I'm not talking about the Newton thing, they got sued by others for a lot of very real and deserved reasons), Ruger stepped in and bought Marlin from them, and it was for as little as $24 000 000.
Ruger essentially bought the brand and the designs, and then had to redo a lot of the tooling and production for Marlin's rifles, as it's been rumored for a very long time that Remington neglected the shit out of Marlin's production lines, lotta worn out machines and tooling.

Lever guns are of no use in the modern body armor enriched world, but they are fun.

>>65071621
>Yeah, Remington bought Marlin and then ran them into the absolute ground.
Not true.
Remington bought Marlin because they were in massive trouble.
They were mismanaged and couldn't afford the replacement of worn out machines. Quality was tanking and the company was haemorrhaging money.
Part of the buy out involved option of retirement payout to older employees. These guys had been compensating for the shit tools and with them gone there was a short period of bad quality until the machinery was replaced with modern tooling.
The Remington buyout was the only thing that saved Marlin. If they hadn't stepped in the company would have been parted out and the name sold to someone to sit on.

>>65071635
Then why did Marlin start to suck under Remington?

Here's an email I got from Bond Arms last August when I asked them if they were ever going to release the lever action AR-15:

"We are making sure that the LVRB is working and functioning properly before it is released to the public. We are hoping to do a limited release of the entire firearm sometime in the fall. But we don't have a date at this time."

Yeah this thing is never fucking coming out lmao

>>65072303
They sucked for quite a while before. The sucking peaked under Remington because of the changes made to return them to a functional company.

I just got pretty lucky finding two new miroku saddle ring carbines. I stopped in a mom and pop gun shop that I found passing through a small town. Upon entering I saw that they had a used winchester 73 hanging above a door for sale. I asked if it had a saddle ring because I was looking for one. The old guy behind the counter got it down and said no but I think we have one in the back that does.
He brought out three boxes and opened them. Two 1873s, (357 and 45 colt) and an 1886 saddle ring carbine. I asked the price and it was a few hundred less than what they typically cost.
He said they were probably priced a few years ago when they first came out and he just never set them out.
I ended up buying the 357 73 and the 45-70 86. Pretty excited to find them. Not often do I see a model 73 let alone 3 of them in one gun shop.
I will post some photos here in a little bit.

>>65071576
because it's a big fucking rifle

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>>65070793
>why do people seem to dunk on lever actions?
they don't dunk on levers, they dunk on MODERN levers
lever actions are great at what they are but when you try and make them into AR15s it's just sad

>>65074551
Leverguns much like pump actions only need a couple things to be properly modern, just some better finishes on the furniture/metal and a detachable pic rail on the receiver for a low lying optic if wanted.

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Do any of you own a Mossberg Palomino? I do and I have no clue how I would disassemble and clean it

>>65074565
If it was just synthetic furniture and a rail on the receiver for optics, I'd be fine with it, but tacticool lever guns are just horrible to look at.

>>65074551
Yup. It's like choppers.
>but they're impractical and bla bla bla
Whatever, it's shiny and cool.

>>65071606
If you end up getting it, let me know difficulty of normal cleaning and deep cleaning. Based on this guys post: >>65074589 and a few horror stories I've heard of other brands, that's the main thing keeping me from just getting one on an impulse buy.

>>65074628
>If you end up getting it
it's far down on a list of if it falls in my lap i'll buy it. i've got an itch for a PTR too.

but i'm assuming it's like every other lever gat i've cleaned. open lever and use a bore snake for quickies, take out lever and bolt for deep cleaning.

>>65074817
Is it that simple with a hammerless system too?

>>65074530
isn't a bfr a revolver?

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>>65074506
Havent shot the 86 yet but the 73 is great

>>65071574
God bless Furrer's obsession with toggle locking, everything from pistol calibers to cannon shells.

>>65074530
>>65074530
>>65074530
>>65074530

>>65070750
Imagine needing to roll over onto your side while reloading your gun in a prone position. LOL Levercucks stay mad!

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>>65075181
Yes. The biggest and finest…

>>65071576
Specifically in 45-70 and comparing the cutoff “lever pistol” I’d bet that the BFR is a lot better at recoil management since it’s got an actual handgun grip.. admittedly I haven’t tried the pistol lever gun. But I’ve got a lot of experience with Spicy BFRs….

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>>65070750

>My marlin dark is never going to come in
What should I get in the mean time while I wait another 6 months?

>>65072320
>lever action AR-15
For what purpose? How is it supposed to work in the first place?

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>>65076015
>Ye Calico Of Olde.
This thing was cool as fuck, and actually had rather respectable ballistics for such a high capacity rifle of its era.

With the .44 Evans Short, you got a whopping 34 rounds of a 220gr .419 caliber projectile going at 850ft/s (ergo, 1911 tier), and then the .44 Evans Long gave you 28 rounds of a 280gr to 300gr bullet doing a staggering 1300ft/s, (more powerful than Harry Callahan's sidearm of choice).

well, bros, I found a marlin 1895 dark today and brought her home

>>65075872
>I’d bet that the BFR is a lot better at recoil management
How is a pistol better at recoil management than an SBR?

>>65075872
>I’d bet that the BFR is a lot better at recoil management
How can a pistol have better recoil management than a stocked weapon?

I'm trying to put together something that can take deer as quietly as possible. I also want a 45-70 guide gun. How quiet is that going to be with a can and subs?

>>65077135
If you read back they’re talking about one of the “pistol” lever guns where you cut the stock off at the bottom of the grip…. So if you hold that like a pistol your wrist is gonna be very flexed vs a normal pistol grip…

>>65071560
About eighteen pounds, if this was the theory you were thinking of.
https://10mmautocombat.wordpress.com/blowback-bolt-calculations/

>>65077240
>If you read back
if you read back the post was about making an SBR sooo maybe learn to read

>>65077180
>How quiet is that going to be with a can
probably more quiet with a suppressor than a can

>>65076455
Where did you order it from?

>>65077687
the bolt would be 18 pounds alone?

>>65071279
They're made in Japan?

>>65071345
I'm being kind of a drama queen but the cheapest most skeezy "probably won't blow up your gun but no guarantees lol" 308 is pushing $1 per round, "good stuff" $1.50, match grade $2

>>65080511
M80 is fine for plinking and Saltech is like 80-90 cpr and its match grade.

>>65080522
>cpr
huh

>>65071381
>marlin jam
This is mostly internet bullshit. I've had a Marlin 444 for 20 years. Use it every year for early and late elk season in the brush. The cam on mine is perfect. My dad has two Marlins he bought in the 60's and the cams in those pieces are perfect too. The oddball rifle that has that problem are fucking few and far between. If you got one, you are one unlucky gasper.

>>65080522
Do people really plink with 308 though? I thought plinking ammo was like the gun version of a "session beer". Not that great, not that expensive, no that effective at much besides passing the time, but you don't care because it's not expensive.

>>65080511
>made in Japan
Yeah? So is every modern Winchester. Why limit yourself to the BLR for the sole reason of “being a weeb” when winchesters entire modern line up of lever guns is made by miroku?

>>65071375
Original winchesters absolutely.

Modern togglelinks are perfectly fine. Uberti makes a special 44mag 1873 every now and again. If a toggle link can handle 44mag its plenty strong. As the other guy said, modern metal has made the toggle link be plenty strong for anything over the counter. Sucks that they only do the 44mags occasionally and dont do a beefed up 45colt aswell that would handle 45+Ps no problem.

>>65071394
>>65071400
>>65071454

This guy has no idea what hes talking about.

Marlins look so fucking good holy shit.

Levers are a lot of fun. I've had quite a few in the last few years. Here's a quick write up on each on and things I did and didn't like.

Uberti 1873 in 357mag
+beautiful finish, smooth action and really nice action when worn in a little
+extremely fun to plink with using 38SPL, 357HP for hunting make goats drop like a sack of potatos
-loading gate is a bit shitty sometimes, inner receiver plate wasn't filed so easy to cut your fingers if you're not careful
-all the screws are really soft so unless you use a perfect fitted hollow ground bit, they're going to look a bit ugly

Rossi 1892 citadel in 357mag
-built like shit, pic rail came loose after 50 rounds. added loctite to screws to fix this issue
-didnt like the large loop, and weirdly no one was selling on with a standard lever
+super short and handy, great if you're hunting from a vehicle
+mlock up front let me dress it up like an AR15. Was using it mostly as a night shooting gun to knock over pigs. It did well in that role
Recently sold it to buy a nice target shooting rifle

Marlin 1895 in 45-70
+side ejection means optics aren't a total pain in the ass
+45-70 hits like a truck and makes steel go bong, like this a lot
+recoil pad makes it very easy to shoot despite the size
-barely a proper detractor, but it's rather heavy

Pre'75 Winchester 1894 in 30-30
+great deer gun for stalking. Its so skinny and barely weighs anything so it was a pleasure to carry around
+looks the goods. My idea of a proper cowboy gun
-top eject meant the only optic options were dot sights. Irons were fine so I stuck with that
-action is a bucket of bolts compared to the pistol cartridge rifles. You had to really rack it forward and back properly to avoid feeding problems.

If you want a functional fun gun I'd say get a marlin
If you want a sexy cowboy gun thats a little more of a toy, shell out and get a Uberti
If you want a true toy that may or may not live for long, get a Rossi

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Why is this thread so stinky and brown? I’ve only seen one pic that wasn’t a stock photo. Nogunz saars really on that next level role play

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>>65082290
Do these legs look brown to you?

Are tang sights good?

>>65082317
>why does his gun look like dogshit?
>timestamp
You’d best turn that illegal firearm in, you light skinned abbo, I’m sending this to Albo right now

>>65082365
I'm not an abbo, I didnt ask for a cigarette nor a bus fare.

Ironically I sold that glorified 1892 for a TaipanX which I'll likely have to hand in for goybux

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>>65082350
For more precise shots yes. I've used a tang sight on a Sharps in 45-70 and found it much easier to have confidence in my sight picture.

Call it a skill issue but I find it hard to have complete confidence in the vertical alignment of most leaf and post sights. The mosin ironically is probably my favorite sight because the top of the rear sight is totally flat, as is the front post. The rounded edges of the front bead and gentle U shape on the rear of most lever guns leaves a bit to be desired.

With that said, unless you're trying to shoot a rabbit at 100m with an 1873, they're perfectly usable. Shot dosens of goats from 10-120m with my 1873 and rarely missed

>pic not related, but proof I'm Australian

>>65077915
Anon….

>>65070832
Please, by all means tell me how you brace this against your shoulder? I eagerly await your response…

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Picked up a Henry Supreme in 300bo, with a direct thread Simple Man 7.62. This thing sounds like an air gun with subs. The only issues I've had so far, about 500 rds in, is it doesnt like feeding the longer 220gr open tips, they seem to hang up a bit on the feed ramp, but you can back it off and run it back in fine, also the mag release needs some fiddling to get it to disengage fully on a loaded mag, need to push up on the baseplate slightly, but empty mags drop free.

>>65082505
>pic
What in the sam hell is that abomination?

>>65082590
Thats Australian for dog

>>65082590
It's a huntsman spider.

They're kind bros desu. Big as hell and ugly as sin, but they eat other spiders and insects so they're kinda doing gods work.

I dont kill them unless they get too close to me. Casting the word of power 'cunt' is usually enough for them to get the message

>>65070750
Is it worth getting these in a rifle caliber or should just stick to 357 for ammo campatiblity?
>mfw my shitty pawnshop taurus finally broke down a few months ago and need a new revolver too
Whats the effective range differential between 357 and 44? Would 357 be good for sniping hogs?

>>65082317
Even without those lady legs everything about that picture is fucking gay

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>>65082290
This help?