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So are we good with gun threads again? Seems like for a while there a gun thread would make /k/ very angery but I see several new ones today and the reactions have been calm for the most part

Is the hormuz shit behind us? Can we ACTUALLY talk about guns on /k/?

>>65073510
We can fuck
ya mudda

>>65073504
>budget gun
>more expensive than better alternatives
Nah
>>65073510
Urgay

>>65073514
Can you give me better alternatives?

>>65073504
Only with blue label pricing, a RXM is better than a 5th gen 19 out of box for 30% less money.

>>65073518
He probably wants to shill you one of those sketchy turkish guns

>>65073504
Okay how about a better question.

ARE Glocks a Budget gun?

>>65073504
not anymore. They're routinely 650 for a new Gen6 one now, i believe.
obviously, in my opinion, you should always just find a good condition used one. Let's face it, these are guns. Not baby seats, beds, or water containers. They will clean up and function 100% normally as long as the previous owner didn't destroy it.

>>65073510
Just make a gun thread bro. Nobody is stopping you from doing so.

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>>65073504
I’ve got like 15,000 rounds through my 17 and the only time it ever jammed was using bad mags or bumpfiring it.

>>65073546
Used, yes
I bought my Gen 5 for what is basically pennies here in Eurostan with a spare barrel (still ripoff prices for you I reckon), it having had 10k rds through it, the barrels respectively 7k and 3k but these things should be able to last for like 60k, right?

>>65073504
i dont think you need to change anything on the glock, whatsoever, to have a good gun.

I figured canik/taurus was the 'good budget gun' shelf. Glock is just one shelf up from that.

>>65073504
k.. keep me posted

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>>65074449
500 bucks is budget now.

>>65073504
It’s probably the best gun if you want to own a firearm and be done with it

>>65073518
Anything with a hammer that doesn't require you to pull the trigger to disassemble. Anything that doesn't immediately jam if you don't read it a bed time story and hold it's hand every day. Anything that doesn't look like a brick. Anything without a safety that's built into the fucking firing mechanism so that if it gets pulled on it's not inherently unsafe. Anything that isn't also made by people that sell horse semen as their other primary product. Anything that doesn't jam a serial number on every goddamn part. Anything that isn't overpriced for what it is because its target audience is government procurement officers.

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>>65073504
>>65073518
Unironically brand new Glock clones or others that have very similar characteristics with more features out of the box for less money. Dagger, RMX

>>65073504
It's not even really a budget gun. In today's market that's around the $300 price point which you don't see Glocks selling at unless it's heavily used or a PD trade in an undesirable caliber.

I think they are more like the Toyota of the gun world. Well trusted and not expensive per se, but priced way higher than they should be because Glock can due to a significant community of people who refuse to trust anything else.

>>65073822
>15,000 rounds
So you literally could have afforded a better gun.

>>65074462
What does that make the c9?

>>65075321
400-600 is standard.
200-400 is budget.
200 or less is poverty.

>>65075329
Sounds about right but not according to the
>500 is budget
anon. Guess it's poverty tier?

>>65075337
There isn't a universal consensus on this, to some people any gun costing less than $10000 is pathetic.

For most of us who don't earn a million dollars every night in our sleep, $500 is a decent amount of money. This is especially true now that budget guns have seriously been stepping up their game and you can get all manner of decent stuff well under $500. Of course inflation has done damage, but by en large guns have bucked the trend. Good ones are cheaper than ever.

If you are a serious shooter then of course it makes sense to get something nicer than a PSA-15, Maverick 88 and Canik TP9 but to use those 3 as an example they are string sellers for a reason. They deliver the goods.

Getting some stuff, and I want to go ahead and grab a recoil spring to reduce recoil a bit for regular 45. $9, why not?
Factory spring for M&P is 16 lbs. What should I get? 18? 20? No suppressor or anything. Strongest spring that will reliably cycle boring range ammo.

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A guy can pretty much be good with an AR-15, Mossberg 590, a Glock 26, and choose between a Glock 19 or 17

>>65075513
What a horribly droll life you must lead.

Faggots itt attempting to move the goalposts of the Glock argument again to justify and cope with the not-a-Glock they overpaid for to support their contrarian homosexual lifestyles. Is gun. Gun shoots. Is perfect. Not perfect? Modify it. Doesn’t fit hand or shoot well? Find something else and move on.

>>65075354
I feel a bit of a LARP coming on but I just have to share it.

>$200 or less
You are absolutely broke working paycheck to paycheck and every single dollar absolutely matters. You probably live in a shitty area and need a gun for protection, or out on some really remote land and need a gun to deal with pests/hunt for food but you can only afford the absolute cheapest possible option.

A Hi-Point or a $99 Turk shotgun aren't much, and there are a lot of severe limitations on what they can do but it really is either that or nothing. You literally can't afford the $50-100 difference to get something better and also afford the gas for your hooptie to get to work for the next week, but at the same time you can't hold off getting anything because it's only a matter of time until you get ganked for what little you do have.

Nobody should be buying guns in this category if they can afford better unless they are just messing around and buying junk with disposable income for the lulz.
>$200-400
You are either doing ok on a tight budget or you are poor, but not desperate. You need a budget gun, or just can't justify spending more than is necessary to get something good enough for basic protection and the occasional range trip. This would be a Mossberg shotgun, a Canik, Taurus G3. Stuff people who are serious shooters look down on, but honestly isn't terrible and gets the job done. You could even build a basic AR-15.

Nothing you have is impressive, perhaps you drive a high mileage older car in good condition to a miserable job paying at least some money. Things aren't great, but they could be much worse.
>$400-600
Things are going pretty average. You work an ok job, manage a reasonable credit line and things aren't desperate by any means. You can afford a perfectly adequate handgun, such as a Glock, Beretta or a Sig. Really whatever a cop would carry. This amount of money wouldn't be missed in the budget, so there's no sense cutting corners.

>>65075513
>buying the same gun 4 times
I like Glocks too but c'mon man

>>65075612
>better
>adequate
>limitations
lots of vague words in there anon, could it perhaps be that you actually have no idea what you are talking about?
>inb4 you're just a sigger making a long-winded copepost

>>65075614
>same gun 4 times
No, because each one is diff... no, because each one is slightly diff... well, they all have a different funct... they just are, ok!!!

>>65075633
At least one is a different gen

>>65075620
Well yeah for instance comparing a Hi-Point C9 to a Taurus G3C, the G3 is going to be massively superior. It uses a tilting barrel recoil operated locking system which is much easier to shoot than straight blowback, the slide is actually made of steel instead of cast Zinc alloy, the frame is injection molded polymer with ergonomic stippling instead of just two clamshells friction welded together, the magazine holds 12 rounds instead of 8, it is far smaller/lighter, there is a firing pin block and trigger safety plus a frame mounted manual safety if desired that actually works.

The G3C is still a compromise because it has a stainless steel barrel that's cheaper to manufacture at the expense of service life. It also has cheap shitty rollpins and is made in Brazil with hit or miss quality control. The factory magazines also tend to not be the best quality or reliability, although much better quality Mec-Gar magazines are available.

For a poorfag a Taurus G3 is an amazing option and it is affordable at around ~$250, but a Hi-Point C9 for all it's flaws is still about $100 less than that.
You and I can easily justify the 100 difference, or even $400+ for a better gun than that. A person working 32 hours a week for minimum wage in a warehouse spending 90% of that income on rent probably can't.

With more high $$$ guns it does get hard to point out what exactly you are getting for your money because inevitably some of it is brand recognition, marketing and gimmicks. Far from simping for Sig I think their guns are for the most part terrible value and should be firmly priced in budget territory, but the same could be said for other expensive guns really deserving to be knocked down a peg or two.

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>>65073504
Trigger STILL feels like shit after all these years. Slide release STILL feels like shit after all these years. Mag release is STILL shit after all these years. Gun feels cheap and has horrible balance, STILL THOUGHEVER.

They aren't any more reliable than something like a 92 or an M&P, people are just afraid of change and Glock has been the meta for so many budget-conscious police forces that it's considered the "gold standard" of service pistols. In reality, it's a mediocre gun that should arguably cost $100 less than it does.

It's exactly the kind of gun you'd expect a "non gun guy" to invent; similar to how the modern abominations that dot our roadways were designed by PR committees and accountants rather than "car guys" and engineers.

>>65075678
To be fair, Gaston really wasn't a gun expert when he designed the Glock 17 for the Austrian pistol trials. He actually bought a few different handguns to get some ideas and focused more on production efficiency and simplicity more than anything.

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Glocks would be far better with manual safeties and decockers.

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>>65075678
The problem with the last 15-20 years of every company shifting their entire R&D focus to building a Glock killer is that you can't out-Glock Glock. Glock already made the simplest, most bare bones, good enough for the job modern pistol. Even if a Glock brand Glock should have been a thing of the past by now, the industry-wide race to the bottom with nothing but glock copies still leaves Glock as the king because they did it first.

In the days of the 2000s before the infinite aftermarket was a thing, I didn't get the appeal of Glocks because most pistols were equally reliable by that point and with better features. But if you think about someone who didn't get into guns until 2020 when every company is blatantly selling just glocks, then why not buy an original Glock?

>>65075697
I know, that was kind of my final qualifier. It's a bare bones, basic, ugly gun meant as an appliance first and foremost. Little to consideration for aesthetics or even ergonomics (muh backstraps!!). They feel and look like shit no matter what you do to them. There's a reason Glocks have a massive aftermarket and "gun guys" who buy them end up swapping 80% of their parts.
>>65075780
Well put, and it's why I don't get it when companies release stuff like the APX. I guess Beretta beat them in terms of making an uglier gun but that wasn't their intent, surely.

>>65073504
>overpriced
>plastic
>oversized
>prone to limp wristing and therefore malfunction if your grip gets compromised in highly tense situations (police cam examples)
yeah it sucks

>>65075949
oh yeah, i forgot to mention the trigger sucks and people often times replace it with a more expensive aftermarket one

>>65075678
I'll give you the trigger and slide release, though you can get improvements for both as OEM parts now
Mag release's fine

>>65075949
>prone to limp wristing

i dont think 9mm glocks have this issue. i've NEVER seen it happen irl.

>>65076378
>i dont think 9mm glocks have this issue. i've NEVER seen it happen irl.
noguns?

>>65076184
>Mag release's fine
Nta and Ive said this before but it's literally like stepping on a LEGO with your thumb. It'd be a struggle to find a more unpleasant mag release.

>>65073504
>Budget
The gun should cost no more than 400 bucks. There's literally no engineering or special materials in it. It's overpriced

>>65076378
>I've NEVER seen the bull fuck my wife
Someone's going to be very surprised in the delivery room

>>65075513
What a bland picture. Soulless.

>>65075513

I generally agree with

>general purpose fighting rifle
>general purpose shotgun
>large carry pistol
>small carry pistol

As the way to go, but there are more options than glocks.

>>65076411
Gen 5s apparently don't do it because otherwise I would have seen a malfunction with my pencil wrists

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>>65075614
That image is outdated
I have a Gen 4 Glock 19 now
So that's five glocks now!

>>65075513
glock owners say silly shit like 'there are four different glocks in this picture' with a straight face.

>>65073504
>Glock
>Budget gun
LMAO
The basic APX is $400 before rebate. CZ's P10 is $450 when not on sale. The basic XD is $350, I got mine on sale for $250. Those are OK budget guns. I like GLOCKs but they're priced in line with other mid shelf standard handguns.

>>65073510
Dollars to donuts you made a shit thread or 2 and got made fun of and now you're in another thread crying about it like a bitch.

>>65075746
Safeties are for fags. You're right about decockers and that's why the P99 exists but the P99 has DA fire and the GLOCK does not.

>>65075780
Crazy how they are all the same yet the M&P 2.0 mogs them all into oblivion

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>>65073504
Glock is the best shooting striker to this day. People who hate on these guns just don't shoot that much, they think but do not know. IMO the only valid reason to hate glocks is if they give you tendonitis.

>>65078848
>Glock is the best shooting striker to this day
IMO that's the PDP but Glocks look better

>>65075949
>overpriced
>plastic
>oversized
>prone to limp wristing
This is a description of why no one wants a handjob from your wife

>>65082213
her name? mrs glock

>>65073504
They use to be the gun in that price point and category but now there are a ton of decent guns with slightly better features and lower cost. Still they are the chapstick of striker fired polymer pistols.

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>>65075298
>Fuck Glock they suck!
>what's better
>This Glock clone put together by underpaid niggers in the American South that's $100 cheaper than the real thing!
Every time

>>65075678
>They aren't any more reliable than something like a 92 or an M&P
Glocks are more reliable than M&Ps. Unless you mean M&P revolvers. They're more ergonomic as well since they lack the retarded grip texture.

>>65082566
>This Glock clone put together by underpaid niggers in the American South
so a real glock?

>>65082573
>Glocks are more reliable than M&Ps
more reliably jam when held in combat situattions, you mean

>>65082578
Compared to all the combat M&Ps have seen in militaries around the world? They also seem to jam just fine in the (very) few videos there are of them being shot in anger by police.
https://youtu.be/_GR7UiLw9Ww?t=504

>>65082587
>have seen in militaries around the world
pistols aren't used in war and glocks fail orders of magnitude more in police videos than their unearned popularity(cretead by undercutting and bribing) would suggest.

>>65082575
If it doesn't say Austria on the side it's not a real Glock. Same with HK and Walther for Germany and Beretta for Italy.

>>65082600
so glocks aren't popular in US then? good to know that some irrelevant austrian cheapshit has no market presence.

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>glidf butthurt that S&W fixed the gun that glock is incapable of innovating on, take 30000

>>65082596
>pistols aren't used in war
They are subjected to military testing. Glocks are selected purely based on their shooting characteristics when budget is not a real factor (see their adoption by SOCOM).
>and glocks fail orders of magnitude more in police videos than their unearned popularity(cretead by undercutting and bribing) would suggest.
That's called heuristic bias since they're by far the most common police sidearm.

>>65082609
What innovations did S&W introduce with the M&P other than retarded slide serrations and jew warning labels stamped into the plastic frame?

>>65082610
>Glocks are selected purely based on their shooting characteristics
glocks have never excelled in anything but cost cutting, they're selected for the same reason sigs are.
>That's called heuristic bias since they're by far the most common police sidearm.
according to you they're not real glocks so this doesn't count. :^)

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>>65082603
Glock being the market leader in plastic frame handgun sales really upsets you for some reason. Want to talk about it?

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>>65082611
a gun that doesn't immediately jam when you hold it less than perfectly in a vice, with a grip texture that actually helps it sit in the hand rather than slip out and make your grip even worse, metal light rail support so that it doesn't jam like no tomorrow if you put some torque on it like glocks do, metal sights and mags from the factory made to a better standard that glock, the list goes on and on.

admit it, glock is a nigger gun, with a nigger following.

>>65082617
according to anon those aren't real glocks so it's not the market leader in anything but doublethink is part of the glock(tm)fag identity so you probably don't even realize what i'm mocking you for.

>>65082618
Why are all negroes skinny, gay midgets these days?

>>65082612
>glocks have never excelled in anything but cost cutting
As well as reliability and aftermarket.
>they're selected for the same reason sigs are.
Mk 25 Sigs aren't really selected anymore and have mostly been supplanted by the mk 27.
>according to you they're not real glocks so this doesn't count. :^)
American cops still mostly use Austrian Glocks though. Nobody buys American versions of Euro guns (or any other thing really) if they can avoid it.

>>65075317
Nta but shut the fuck up noshoot

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>>65082618

>>65082618
>a gun that doesn't immediately jam when you hold it less than perfectly in a vice
M&Ps do that though, see >>65082587
>with a grip texture that actually helps it sit in the hand rather than slip out and make your grip even worse
It sucks to hold and it's unergonomic
The rest of your post is just delusions that bear no resemblance to reality. Smith & Wesson has dogshit QC and this is true throughout all their products, the M&P line included. They hand out more lemons than Florida.

>>65082631
>As well as reliability
>jams if you hold it lightly
cool meme bro, too bad it's a complete lie
>American cops still mostly use Austrian Glocks though
no they don't, lol

>>65082643
>M&Ps do that thoug
you've given one video of a single M&P doing that, i can pull dozens of them for glocks because it's the most prone to limp wristing gun in existence.
>It sucks to hold and it's unergonomic
but enough about glocks with the slippery texture, blocky grip and the idiotic angle.
>The rest of your post is just delusions that bear no resemblance to reality.
says the coping glocktard, lmao.

>>65082657
That's the only known video of a police shooting with an M&P. It has a 100% failure rate based on the evidence. Glocks have a far better ratio when you consider all the countless videos of them performing reliably. Plus there's absolutely no question that S&W has lower standards of QC than Glock. Even if you prefer the texture of the M&P for some reason like your hands being constantly slick with sperm, you will likely run into some issue related to the shoddiness and inconsistency of their manufacfure.

>>65075541
What a horribly droll troll you are.

>>65073546
LE trade glocks are.

the springfield xd mogs it