>>65079832
Besides the fact that this is an ad, plenty of stones are porous it's not magic.
Granite, limestone and sandstone are common rocks that all absorb water unless coated.

>>65079832
i suck at holding an angle on a stone so i just sharpen it until a burr forms on both sides and then strop the fuck out of it with a polishing compound to break it off, works well enough for kitchen knives to get them adequately sharp, would probably also make them razor sharp if i had an electric buffing wheel instead of an old leather belt for a strop.

>>65079840
Its still cool tho…

>>65079850
I got this thing recently and the stropping wheel opposite the wetstone wheel is great for stropping the shit out of my blades in 30 seconds. My current procedure is to use the 3000 grit bucktool water stone wheel i bought to replace the oem 220 grit wheel on the Wen, then 10k on my yoshihiro flat waterstone, then strop on the leather stropping wheel on the wen, then stropping using a traditional leather strop to finish.

I might adjust my procedure in the future but either way its fun to learn what works and what doesnt work as i go along.

Its pretty crazy how much quality shit you can buy from china for hardly any money.

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>>65079895
I got a set of these about 10 years ago on a cheap little bench grinder after I sharpen them to a burr on my belt grinder with some 120-180grit. I think I've re-gritted the abrasive disc once and its due for another resurface at some point soon. But its really easy with machines that have angle guides, you'd have to be trying pretty hard to fuck it up

>>65079832
You're basically describing the porosity and how hard the bond is of the stone. Softer stones with a weaker bond soak up the water like you describe. They build up "mud" much faster and they cut more quickly. The downside is that they also wear out and dish more quickly, which means you need to flatten them more often. It's a trade-off.

>>65079895
Have you dressed your wheel yet or is it still wobbling?

>>65079832
Splash n go are best for the average dude since you don't have to dedicate a tub to soak them in.
Don't go oil, pain in the cock to clean the stone and clean up after.
Diamonds are good, stop buying AliExpress shit.

>>65079905
Those are great, it's what the sharpeners at MT used to finish the knives.

>>65079832
I prefer the feel of soaky mud stones and the finish is subjectively nicer but I am never going back after switching to shapton GS, it just isn't worth the annoyance

>>65079840
Yeah I'm sure naniwa is running ads on 4chan lol

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>>65079832
I use coarse porous stones for removing metal, I think king brand 220. I bought two of those and rub them together occasionally when they're out of flat.

For honing I use natural oil stones. With fine water stones I always end up with very fine dust on the tools and woodworking tools should be kept lightly oiled anyway.

>>65079895
that's way too many steps
>3000 grit bucktool water stone
>then 10k on my yoshihiro flat waterstone
and going past 2000 prior to stropping is pointless if you're using a polishing compound

you can get a knife decently sharp with just 1000 grit, anything beyond is for very fine polishing.

What are you guys sharpening with these high grit stones? Even on my kitchen knives I only go over 1k when I'm feeling autismo. And I assume you guys are mostly sharpening your tactical ninja box cutter EDC blades which are going to want a kind of toothy edge anyway? And they're all made of super steel with xbox hueg carbides so why bother?

>>65080324
even "big" carbides are really fucking tiny, there's value to be had in sharpening them at higher grits. But personally I like a toothy edge (400 grit tops)

>>65080308
dont bother with that whetstone guy somethings wrong with him mentally. he doesnt listen to advice and keeps bringing up the same shit like people care. hes either the worst marketer or using /k/ like a blog. nothing you tell him will change him. he just does what he wants.

>>65080324
It's a phase people into sharpening go through. Back about 25 years ago on Bladeforums, I used a belt sander to get my splitting maul shaving sharp to win a bet. It was a long time ago, but I want to say that I went up to #2000 before I hit it with the chromium oxide and leather.

These days my fancy kitchen knives only go up to #800. The slicing ability goes to shit if you polish it past that, and a lot of kitchen work is slicing. I want a toothy edge there.
>super steel with xbox hueg carbides so why bother
If your stone's harder than the carbides (and you're gentle), you can grind the carbides too. You're using diamonds on those super steels, right?
>>65081743
Nonsense. I enjoy his tales of wrecking shitty Chinese razors with power tools. He's having fun and he's not molesting quality steel, so I don't see the harm in that. I do wish that he'd buy a banner and stop samefagging his threads for bumps though.

>>65079905
Nice. Do your discs need to be wet to work properly?

>>65080022
I thought it was porosity that determined how much water a stone absorbed.

>Have you dressed your wheel yet or is it still wobbling?
The bucktool 3000 water stone wheel i got has zero wobble. I shaved it flat with a nagura stone tho bc it had tiny parallel ridges. Now it is completely flat.

>>65080161
What is mt?

Also i think splash and go stones like shaptons are more work bc u have to continue keeping the surface wet. With waterstones you soak them in a kitchen platter dish for 5 min then they are wet enough that you dont have to worry much about rewetting the surface like you have to do with shaptons.

>>65080177
Oil stones give me the ick.
Being covered in oil makes me feel like i was just pushed out of somebodys asshole.

>>65080308
I know its overkill but im sort of a concept fetishist so my goal is to try to make edges as sharp as humanly possible just for shits and giggles.

>>65080324
Straight razors mostly bc im not good at holding a consistent angle.

>>65081924
Thanks for backing me up man. I might have Aspergers bc when i get into a hobby like guns or blade honing i obsess about the details and i guess some ppl think im crazy bc of it. I dont mean to samefag, i will put a banner up from now on.

>>65082073
No water needed, you put a light coat of beeswax on the grit-wheel and a light dab of white polishing wax on the polish wheel to take off the burr.
Also-set up the grinder so its revolving away from you!
Doesn't take long to do it properly once you've got the hang of it and just like a stone, maintain your presentation to the work surface equally from honing to polish and I usually go through 5 passes each side on the grit and 5-6 passes on the polish to remove the burr and done. As a semi-regular knife maker its really the only way to stay sane when you have a batch of about a dozen knives and if I had to do those on stones I'd go a bit crazier

>>65079832
hey look it's the retarded knife sharpening kit for people who buy retardedly expensive knives.
You know what they say about a fool and his money.

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>>65082094
One of these ought to be right up your alley.

>>65082125
Cool. Do you ever worry about overheating the blade and destroying the temper tho?

>>65082218
No, its essentially light draw cutting motion on the wheel, you're not applying pressure or holding it in one spot. The waxes also keep the friction down as well
For my belt grinder its got a VSD on it so sometimes I'll just run a slow 800grit belt on it, sharpen and then take it to the polishing wheel to remove the burr, a lot of more serviceable, basic cutting edges I think somewhere in the 3-400grit do just fine with a bit of coarseness for soft materials.
You can also do a hybrid sharpen of say, 240 on one side, 800-1000 on the other and a polish to do burr removal and I find that's really good for some soft fruits and tomatoes

>>65082133
Its a fun hobby tho man. You could make the same argument for ppl who spend thousands building RC airplanes. Like >“omg you retards are spending thousands of dollars to fly around miniature fake airplanes?”
At the end of the day its just bc its fun.

I think the idea of creating an edge that can pass the hanging hair test is pretty cool and fun. If that makes me retarded then so be it.

>>65082234
Is your 800 grit belt grinder just a normal sanding belt?

>>65082240
Sharpening knives isnt a hobby. Its just basic maintinance.

>>65082253
I have to maintain my hobbies

>>65082280
You need help. Please seek help. When 4 chans the one telling you this its bad.

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>>65082251
No they're a compound abrasive Trizact belt

>>65079832
>$100
I sharpen my knives on a wet coffee mug, what is wrong with you

>>65082292
You sound harder pressed than i do buddy. Maybe you need to talk to somebody about why you are so hard pressed to be a hobby nazi telling others on 4skin which hobbies are allowed and which arent.

>>65082297
Does it work similarly to a sandpaper belt?

>>65082308
>”sharpen”
Go read about einstein my guy.

>>65082151
How do these things work

>>65082443
Its got abrasives on the ends and you roll it agaist your knife. The wood holds the knife at a specifc angle.

>>65082094
That has nothing to do with the stone or the oil but rather with you being a faggot.

That said you can use most oilstones with water too. They'll cut a little coarser and will clog up eventually.

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>>65082435
I run high speed ceramic belts between 36-120 grit, they need to go fast in order to knock the ceramic blocks around to clear it for new cutting material.
The 150-800 belts are all structure abrasive which is usually put down in blocks or lines of aluminum oxide which has an air-gap between the structures, what that does is force air between the grinding surface and the metal, which in turn clears metal swarf, removed grit and cools the metal at the same time. Those are usually run somewhere between 1/3 to 3/4 machine speed and that's more or less how to get higher degrees of satin finish.

There's also the 'unstructured' loose abrasive scotchbrite belts for uniform, satin and scratch-direction conditioning on metal. They range usually between an equivalant of about 80 to 600 grit in terms of the finish they leave on metal. You lube them up with WD40 and the higher grades of around 400-600 you can use to remove burrs off edges quite nicely.

Lastly, there's cork belts, which are a cloth belt with literally just cork layered on it which is used for polishing, you tune them up typically with either a dark grey or blue-green polishing wax impregnated onto the surface of the belt and they're exceptionally good for putting a polished edge on knives. Just dont run them too fast, typically half-speed at most

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>>65082557
One last thing I'll add for sharpening is a ceramic hone
A lot of the metal hones work ok on softer carbon and basic stainless knives really well up to about 60HRC, after that if you're using a high alloy steel or very hard 62-65HRC blade full of lots of carbide content, the ceramic hones are great when you're either in the kitchen or field and just need to get a quick edge tune up rather than a sharpen

>>65082515
Thats cool. Is it faster than using flat waterstones tho?

>>65082702
its for idiots who cant hold an angle to save their life just like pull throughs and the worksharp clamps

>>65082554
I just cant stand the feeling of grease. In college some of my friends would be eating a bag of cheetos while playing n64 smash brothers and when they hand off the controller to you if feels like they pulled it out of their ass. I just cant stand that slimy feeling. On my guns i tolerate it bc the metal is happier on the inside with a protective layer of clenzoil but it doesnt bother me bc the exteriors of my guns are oil free and have no communicable grease.
I use my water stones in my livingroom while watching tv and i never have to really worry bc if i get a few drops of water onto the Persian rug its no problem. But oil stones are just stupid imo. If oilstones worked *magically better* than water stones they would have a use case. But everything i have read says their is no advantage to using oil stones, and they might actually be inferior to waterstones. The gist i am getting is that using oil has some sort of quasisexual appeal bc the lubricity slides more easily when sliding your blades on the stone. But its not for me. I dont want to have to take 3 showers a day trying to wash the shitstinking oil off of my body because i made a huge mess getting oil all over myself and my livingroom. Water is effectively alot more pure.

>>65082557
Thats cool. Do you ever finish on anything with a finer grit?

>>65082572
Nice. Im more about the process of moving through grits to get that wicked edge tho. For me the absolute sharpest possible edge is the prize.

>>65082704
I cant hold an angle for my life. Full disclo.

>>65082727
Yeah we know, its why you keep buying shit thats supposed to help instead of just practicing.
The normal flat stone you had was fine to sharpen a razor to shaving sharp. The 220 grit your wheel came with was capable of doing that.

>>65082719
Yeah, its all hand sanding though from 1000-1500-2000 and then onto buffing wheels for a mirror polish. But its really hard work on larger knives and buffing wheels are pretty murderous if your attention lapses for a split second. Plus there's only a few steels worth doing it on like the 420 and 440C, AEBL + derivatives (Nitro-V, 12C27, 14C28N etc) which don't have massive wear resistance. All the carbon and some tool steels will also take a mirror finish which makes for really nice bluing.
Otherwise the high vanadium, niobium and very high carbide steels are just sort of stuck at maybe a mid-satin finish as they just don't take no shit from sandpaper and you wear out before they ever do.

>>65082725
A lot of the pure carbon steels with low/no alloying can get extremely sharp, as does small carbide forming, tough steels like 15N20 and AEBL are about the sharpest things I've ever seen. I still have a bar of 125SC made in Germany which makes for some super-sharp as fuck final edges but a lot of the Hitachi White and similar stuff tends to also get really wicked as well.
Doesn't hold an edge for as long as some others, but if you're turning strawberries into decorative, edible art flowers or carving tomatoes into a sculpture in some kind of boutique eatery, they tend to go for that ultimate sharpness over edge retention.

>>65082714
Depends on your sharpening method, in the past people ground their tools on coarse water stones and honed on either a fine water stone or an oil stone.

If your fine stone is both hard and porous like an Arkansas, India or Turkey stone it'll clog up very fast using water. People in the past hardly ever ground their stones flat because those very hard stones wear out very slowly.

Non porous stones like the Coticules or slates don't clog up so you can use water, people used to spit on them.

Oil also means your tools won't rust, you can put the stone back in your toolbox without waiting for it to dry and the slurry can be used for stropping.

>>65082727
For a straight razor, you don't have to hold an angle. The razor does that for you. This is assuming that the razor itself is straight and the stone is flat.

For knives it's a learned skill, but the angle itself isn't critical. What's important is that both bevels meet in a continuous fashion and any wire edge is removed. Autists argue about the virtues of 15 degrees vs 20 degrees and microbevels and such, but that shit only matters to autists. Make the bevels meet (they don't even have to be the same angle), remove the wire edge, and it will shave hair, even at low grits. This will be a functionally sharp knife to any reasonable person.

Once you've got the basics down, progressing into cutting free hanging paper and splitting hairs is relatively simple, but you need a properly formed edge before any of that can happen.

>>65082727
it doesn't matter unless you have different styles of knives with different angles

>>65079832
I think all veterans are slum scum because one took my Lansky sharpening kit when I loaned it to him.
You don't take a man's Lansky.

>>65082727
I know this is going to be hard to internalize but the angle will take care of itself. Just focus on holding the angle and don't talk yourself into messing it up because that's what messes you up. If you do it enough it will suddenly click and you'll break past that ceiling but it takes a little persistence and faith in yourself.

>>65079832
What's actually the point of getting a knife that sharp though? Like a knife ona basic 1000 grit stone will cut through meat and vegetables without any effort so anything past that seems like autism, what's the practical use case?

>>65082088
>What is mt?
Microtech.

> Also i think
You still have to add water to "waterstones" after you take it out of the tub. IMO splash n go are better because you can wipe em down with a rag and toss em in your bag or shed and not have to worry about em.

>>65083725
Razors will go past 30k, some people go past 1k on kitchen knives for stuff like fish stuff or the delicate veggie slicing.

>>65082714
>they hand off the controller to you if feels like they pulled it out of their ass
This problem was caused by their mother not keeping them clean as children. They grew up thinking that greasy feeling is normal.

I can sharpen most of the edge well, but my tips are always rounded and dull. In a few years I'll have made butter knives.

>>65082253
>>65082280
You are both right, you dick measuring autists. That said, I just sharpened my shovels using a diamond Sharpall 220 disk, so... just maintaining. My pocket knife gets a leather strop, so maintaining my hobby.