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What Japan has to offer, that South Korea hasn't?
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>>65080907
>What Japan has to offer, that South Korea hasn't?
Better weapons in every category.
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>>65081507
Depends on the guys. Their privates like to fuck around just as much as ours do. Only time I really trained with the japs i was with their snipers and the lowest ranking guy in that squad was a first sergeant and their leader a lt colonel so I tried to not be an idiot.
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>>65081351
eh im not so sure. we think so now because the grass is greener but theres a reason they're hesitant to rearm. the japs themselves know how autistic they are, once their mind changes tracks, its full speed ahead. they dont have the capability to go halfway on anything
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>>65081271
i don't understand this logic
>help we're being bullied by an economic superpower
>let's jump into bed with the other economic superpower who definitely hasn't bullied other countries in the exact same way
like why
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>>65080907
Japan should start exporting their anti-ship and anti-air missile systems at a lower cost to American/Euro counterparts and watch every other US ally in the region stock up on it
Taiwan buys a 1000+, Philippines about 50, Australia at 500+, Singapore at 100+
Eventually even Vietnam and Indonesia would push hundreds of orders that it'll make China seethe
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>>65082040
>Japan should start exporting their ... anti-air missile systems at a lower cost to American/Euro counterparts and watch every other US ally in the region stock up on it
You mean the ones that they're less keen on than their stocks of Patriot and Standard missiles, right? They don't have any domestic long range SAMs.
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>>65081891
Because China has proven more reliable and consistent than the US. They're both bad, but not being dependent on just one is still a good thing. But the best thing that anyone being abused by the economic superpowers is to band together and make a new economic superpower. Which is exactly what the EU is doing, in fact.
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>>65081891
>let's jump into bed with
If you want to view general trade re-orienting after the Trump Tip sabotaged EU sales in the US, sure.
And Europe still trades with China, without any tarriffs, because China just sat there and grabbed that free win handed to them by Trump.
Because the Trump administration systematicallly sabotaged their own arms sales, Europe will buy South Korean, Turkish, Israeli etc. arms where they fit the need, and then start producing what they bought locally. Or just keep using ther own system. The only European country that has bough Chinese systems is Serbia, (IIRC, correct if wrong pls). And Serbia is neither NATO nor EU member.
See the Polish Worst Korean shopping spree, Germany buying Israeli air defence, both setting up production in their respective country.
Admittedly, Germany also set up production for one type of Patriot interceptor, so it's not like they're actually cutting off the US completely and immediately.
tl;dr the whole China thing was retarded fear mongering for Trump's MAGA audience.
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>>65082171
No, China just hasn’t been bullying and unstable to those specific countries yet. Any nation who’s let China get a real foothold has yearned for the comparatively benevolent European colonists as opposed to the chinks who harvest their organs.
No one thinks “it’ll happen to me”, and thus the mistakes happen.
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>>65082295
No, anon, the global economy is not a computer game where "trade" is a single, uniform, unit that is totally interchangeable with any other "trade" unit.
Trade depends on where the markets are, and most markets for EU goods are in the US.
Btw, EU-US trade went up 15% last year.
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>>65082305
Ironically enough, you can view it as exactly that at a macro level.
You don'T have to, but when you look at trends, total volumes and values it is the most straightforward method.
Of course it's millions of individual transactions. but if you look at large numbers, or averages, etc. you really don't care about that.
>Btw, EU-US trade went up 15% last year.
Source? By value? By volume?
inb4
>we put 15% tariff on everything so now price is increased by15% ;^)
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>>65082247
Germany began operating Arrow 3 last year, two more radar sites and 'multiple' launch sites will be set up in the coming years.
Radar coverage is 2400 km, launch sites could be set up closer to Russia or Iran, e.g. Baltics, Poland or Romania to improve chances for mid-course intercepts.
The systems are being built in Germany.
Germany's mid-level SAM is still the Patriot, though. Production of PAC-2 interceptors is done in Germany by a MDBA-Raytheon joint venture.
Short range is IRIS-T plus variants, obviously.
Maybe we'll see Iron Dome, too, as a point defence setup.
Probably a few types of Ukie co-developed interceptor drones to stop the Shaheds, too.
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on the off topic of trade.
the EU has in the past year signed 3 free trade agreements that had been stalling for nearly a decade.
if you think the EU isn't looking to spread the risk of over exposure to the US you are retarded.
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>>65082171
>Which is exactly what the EU is doing, in fact.
Considering the EU is just France and Germany vying for control while fucking over every other member state (as always), when can we expect to see this united Europe superpower?
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>>65080926
>History, civility, refined culture.
Who do you think they learned those from?
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>>65080907
The Philippines wants F2 as it's got proper range, firepower and maritime strike capabilities FA50 is devoid of.
Had Japan offered it with some financial package, they wouldn't have settled for FA50.
https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2025/06/27/the-mitsubishi-f-2-aircraft -of-the-japan-air-self-defense-forc e-a-potential-option-to-renew-the-p hilippine-fighter-fleet/
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>>65082536
Oh, sorry I meant 'without any tarriff randomly set by the orange man based on who talked to him last night or when golfing, removed and changed three time over teh next two weeks, and then randomly re-set when teh next things grabs his attention'
There are obviously a multitude or barriers, protective mechanisms etc. in place, plus all kinds of other legalities
e.g. Buy American Act when importing parts inito the US, EU quality standards when importing food into the EU, general Chinese fuckery for insisting on 'Joint Ventures' when something is to be produced for the Chinese state, and so on.
The thing is that both EU and China just want to sell shit. Trump wants to. . .I don't know, win at selling shit? It makes no sense, it has massively hurt US reliability, and the price will be paid over the next decade by US companies.
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>>65082703
>The thing is that both EU and China just want to sell shit.
The Chinese actually want to undercut your markets and force you to rely on them. The idea that they're somehow a more reasonable trade partner is pure delusion.
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>>65082710
They're not.
But 'reasoanble' gets trumped by 'reliable' if the orange man just makes your business go under.
Don't get me wrong, most Europeans would like to continue trading with the US, with a few squabbles here and there but generally on equal terms.
But your president showed that he wants to WIN, and he wants teh other side to LOSE because AMERICA is the BEST.
And to that, most Europeans just said 'No thanks, not gonna buy your stuff'.
You will notice that we still send whatever you want your way. Because YOU pay your Trump Tip, not us. We get lower sales numbers because you pay your government the totally-not-an-import-tax.
And what is left because you no longer can afford it gets sold to China, ME or even India.
This last bit is the 'EU pivot to China' that retards screeched about.
The sad part is that this hurts everyone, and benefits practically noone apart from some Trump insider friends who made billions.
Oh, and China wins becasue they can set up deals as the 'more reliable' trade partner. It's just sad.
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>>65082236
>And Europe still trades with China, without any tarriffs
Kek, that would be the day.
We don't have a free trade deal with China, that kind of shit is reserved for the closest of allies.
Trump flailing around like a retard with his tarifs was still a big win for China.
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>>65083104
Yeah I got carried away there, sorry.
It's not free trade but at least it's trade without sombody imposing two week deadlines and changing tariffs at random intervals.
Let's just say that it shows why he made a Casino go bankrupt.
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>>65082482
>Source? By value? By volume?
Both, really.
But value most of all :
>Value
In 2025, the EU exported 3 times more to the USA than it did to China.
Even discounting 15%, that's still leaves the USA as the main customer of the EU, right before the UK.
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>>65083307
That was not the question, the question was about the claim that US-EU trade increased by 15%.
I seriously doubt US exports to Europe did not suffer due to Trumpian idiocy, and I doubt the US can just pay a 15% tip and buy the same amount as before.
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>>65081939
>I think japs are fucked big time on the long run.
On the long run every country with birthrates below replacement is doomed to inevitable economic collapse once they don't have enough people to hold their countries up. (brown immigrants don't work because they're too stupid to maintain advanced countries)