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/frtssg/ - Forced Reset Trigger & Super Safety General 05/28/26(Thu)23:32:29 No. 65190976
/frtssg/ - Forced Reset Trigger & Super Safety General 05/28/26(Thu)23:32:29 No. 65190976
/frtssg/ - Forced Reset Trigger & Super Safety General Anonymous
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>>65191347
It's really expensive for what it is, you could look into the ARC V2 as well. It's cheaper and has HK selectors with 45 degree options. You also could use other triggers like Geissele if you wanted.
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>>65191510
this is AS Designs's drop-in cassette trigger for for HK roller-delayed platforms
https://activesafetydesigns.com/arhk/
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>>65191383
I'm thinking of waiting for the ARHK from ASD
rarebreed does seem kinda scummy
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>>65191347
2 time raregreed consoomer here. I own the standard AR and MR556 FRT and they both work great. My friend has an MP5 one and it runs almost identically to a full auto MP5. If you have 600 bucks and want a 3 postion MP5 FRT then I would cop.
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>>65191034
>brown person with a ponytail and a nose ring
anon w-why did you have this saved?
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>>65191347
I would never ever give Rage Greed Niggers a single cent. They use that money to sue every single other person developing super safeties and forced reset devices. If RBT gets enough money, they could completely destroy the forced reset revolution that hinges on needing widespread success within the next 3 years.
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kuna drop FRT in standard housing was just released on odysee
https://odysee.com/@YourBroStevo:8/Kuna-Drop-In-FRT:c
https://old.reddit.com/r/supersafety/comments/1tr5yia/kuna_drop_in_is_ now_public/
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5.7 is a dead meme cartridge-- ACK
5.7 is overpriced .22 magnum-- ACK
It's not a real P90 with the long barr- ACK
It's not a real P90 unless it is f-- ACK
the MP7-- ACK
https://files.catbox.moe/9br7xj.mp4
It might have taken a 13 years of me posting on here but you lost 5.7 doomsissies. Apologize immediately
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>>65192956
I got the Dorin one. Not gonna lie it's been a fucking nightmare until yesterday when I had it back and working. Just had to deal with 5 months of preorder + hours try to assemble it only to find out the actuator was too small + getting doxxed because someone at FN Specialties doesn't know how to use BCC + Getting told the wrong address to send it to for repairs to Dorin and paying $20 to send it to the wrong address + waiting an entire extra fucking month to get it back + drowning the triggerpack in CLP + dryfiring it 300 times despite them saying not to dryfire it + 200 rounds ($90 in ammo). Theoretically I think they should've used nylon for the hammer because it doesn't need much lubrication but besides that it's working great it seems after all that bullshit. The cheap fucks didn't even bother color filling in the selector switch and they used F instead of A for some reason. I dunno maybe I'll try color filling it or maybe I'll try to get ahold of an FN plastic one with the correct colorfilled markings for a P90
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>>65192978
I just sent my part back. How intuitive is it to use? How much does finger pressure matter? Is it something you have to think about or does it just run? Malfunctioning with a death grip makes sense, just curious where it is on the scale from Glock FRTs where finger pressure means a ton or ARs where it matters significantly less?
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>>65192983
It definitely has a break in period (I think dryfiring helps) and you need to lube the hell out of everything. The progressive part takes some getting used to if you want to avoid the single shot - burst and have it be seamless. In the 150 rounds I fired today I didn't have any issues with finger pressure or anything. When I first was testing before all the rounds and before the lube/dry firing I think I was putting too much pressure and it would simply stop the burst and you'd just have to move your finger forward to let it reset and then continue, wasn't like a dead trigger or anything. Still was able to do 25 round bursts by the end of the first day (I was only half loading mags). I'm gonna go out on a limb with some schizo theories here but I think the original issues are because people managed to assemble it in spite of the actuator being super tight and because it was super tight it was creating issues and causing the guns to choke up and suddenly slow the rate of fire. Now in my limited experience with 2011s and 3D printed junk, an overly tight sear leads to an obnoxiously heavy and inconsistent trigger pull
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>>65193075
the 3d printed one is 2 position only if you care, but
Black Talon Tactical is working on 3 position FRT compatibility for stock Kuna lowers.
https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/KUNAFRTSTOCKLOWER.mp4
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>>65193067
gotcha, thanks for the insight
>I was putting too much pressure and it would simply stop the burst and you'd just have to move your finger forward to let it reset and then continue
how easy is it to do this?
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>>65193119
See I haven't intentionally tried to induce a malfunction since I fired it a bunch and did the lubrication and dryfiring and I also haven't had a malfunction since then. I wasn't thinking about "how" soft or hard I should be pulling the trigger in that video either if that makes any sense. The progressive trigger and the distances required for each stage requires more brainpower for me rather than how tight I'm pulling it but I can kinda judge that by simply pulling back until my index finger is touching the plastic of the trigger card if I want to skip through that stage and go straight to FRT?
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>>65190976
Is there a reliable 3 position AK frt yet? Worried my state might ban them soon and I want one before that happens. I shoot at indoor ranges too often to justify giving up the semi position entirely
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>>65193940
>P90's, AR's, HK's of practically every long gun flavor, B&T's, Glocks, SCAR's, MAC'S,etc all get selectable FRT's
>Slavshit AK's, Beryl, and soon to be Galil's all stuck with 2 position
It sucks to suck I guess
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>>65192978
Glad to hear you got your trigger pack back. That almost sounded like a disaster. Got some crayons for colorfill?
And F for Forced Reset makes sense imo. Personally prefer not to have my FRT firearms have "F", "AUTO", or "FULL" selector markings if I can help it. Otherwise sounds like an easy way to invite avoidable trouble.
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>>65191034
>says galil
>is galil ACE
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>>65195737
pretty sure given the nature of the P90's trigger pack it's easier to make a 3 position progressive than a 3 position normal. all the third position does is allow the trigger bar to move further back than the second position
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>>65196317
.38 Special aint that cheap these days
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>>65191034
Finally more information, here's an entire video on it
https://youtu.be/sd3SrPSTa7U
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demonstration of the select capability, will be available from 810velocity apparently. Pretty wild that this device existed from FFT for a while now and finally there is another option in the works.
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>>65197876
For 2.0 only I assume?
>1.0 9C will continue to collect dust
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>>65198461
GDI's G36 FRT isn't really that accurate to the original (pic related, GDI on top). They've had to move the position of the safety, which kinda screws up the pictogram layout. It's also got issues with light primer strikes.
Really hoping s3igu comes through, and AS makes a drop-in or something.
The GDI FRT is ridiculous for $700.
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>>65199018
there's also @BSquaredMfg making a drop in cassette for the platform
https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/G36DROPIN.mp4
https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/G36DROPIN2.mp4
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>>65190976
forced reset triggers are just another cuck cope by people who willingly allow their freedom to be legislated away. why would you even add another reliability failure point and something that ruins effective trigger fundamentals to your firearm anyways unless you were literally double-digit IQ? change my mind.
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>>65200521
With unconverted SL-8's going back to the 90's try over 40k+.
Everything but the unreleased drop in requires a partial (rear end) conversion though
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>>65200552
Have you shot one? A well-tuned FRT feels identical to full auto and is reliable. The actual mechanical design of them isn't what makes them unreliable; You're basically just adding a piece of metal that the bolt carrier is applying pressure to which is forcing the trigger to reset. It's the fact that they're drop in kits not tuned for individual models of weapons and all of this is being engineered at breakneck pace. Two years ago they were considered a machine gun and we only had two position FRTs for AR-15s. FRTs are to machine gun bans as Arm braces are to SBR laws. They are eroding retarded laws and giving a legal workaround where you don't get turned into a felon in the meantime
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>>65200681
Not discontinued.
Literally made brand new in the states.
https://s5tactical.com/
They're selling a lot and they're backloged by about 5-6 weeks.
Plus, HK says that they plan on introducing something "soon" with regards to the G36. I have my doubts, but we'll see.
But I get your point.
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>>65201583
I was playing around with the bump-stock law bullshit of Florida, and realised that while FRTs are in a grey zone (they're not outright illegal), the wording of the law means that if guns come pre-installed with FRTs from the manufacturer, it would skirk the law. Am I retarded?
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>>65201630
I'd say that if you buy it from AF and it comes pre-installed I'd consider it from a redistributor, however if AF takes firearms and rebrands them, then it is from manufacturer. Similar to the bullshit that the ATF pulls with the ridiculous laser etching to make SBRs.
Speaking of, technically, if you make an SBR with an FRT installed, you are your own manufacturer? At least until the requirement gets removed... if it gets removed.
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>>65201712
I'm retarded, so don't take that as fact. I really hate how the law plays with words like this, but that part with the SBR bullshit should be true, considering it's considered "manufacturing an SBR," however, like I said, if the ATF gets rid of the laser etching that is a requirement, then you're no longer a manufacturer of SBRs as it will be using the guns original serial number on the form 1s.
There you go, the only issue is that you can't purchase (again grey zone) an frt, meaning if you receive it in parts and just... assemble it inside of an SBR, then you should be 99% in the clear.
If not, then just manufacture it somewhere else and transfer it to FL, I hate these retarded rules.
Per googles AI thing:
Yes, making a Short-Barreled Rifle (SBR) is considered "manufacturing" under the ATF and the National Firearms Act (NFA). Even if you are just modifying a pre-existing firearm (like attaching a short barrel to a pistol or adding a stock to a lower receiver), federal law legally categorizes you as the "maker" or manufacturer of an NFA item.
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>>65200773
You aren't going to need to convert to go frt technically. You can swap the magazine well (and carrier on some early models) and just drop in frt. IMO the half-conversion - swapping for a G36 magwell and dumping the stock for an adapted stock+lower isn't too bad price wise, most of the cost is in going further ie barrel + front end.
>>65200858
IMO at best we'll get a stupidly overpriced G36C pistol. We likely aren't getting a rifle unless they have a contract stipulation to get Bundeswehr G36's back (which they'll cut and could send to HK USA).
IMO I'm more excited for a HK433 - the MP7 is happening but thats a major nono compared to 5.7 until people start making pistols for 4.6
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>>65202845
More is the pity.
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>>65202992
It works on any tits and in fact on any of your extremities. Skin is slightly translucent to the near infrared part of the spectrum so with a strong enough light you can get a red glow from the human body. But as you can see it's a form of subsurface scattering, the light will show blood vessels but it won't work like an x-ray and show bones because the light can't penetrate that deep. The effect makes it look like the light is going straight through the body but it's actually bouncing off the skin layer and going around muscle and bone.
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>>65202992
Anon, >>65203369, is correct but those are fake, the implants scatter the light differently than flesh which is why you see the bright spots in the cleavage.
I think Brainiac did a special on it as well if fake tits float better. They do.
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Thinking of doing a clone build, I got one of the first CARL 3 round burst parts from the very first batch. I never installed it yet, but I heard there were some issues with the early versions. Anyone had this experience?
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>>65207223
If you own a 3d printer you can just print a cutting jig for it and follow the jig. You can get an el cheapo Ender 3 for like $200 if you know how and where to look (Micro Center), and it'll do just fine printing shit like this.
AS Designs has the jig posted on his odysee for the SSA-E
If you're afraid of wasting money, the Geissele blem sale is going to be soon so buy another trigger then if you fuck up. You live and learn.
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P320 anon here. I'm not working with A.R.T anymore, I'm going with another company who will remain anonymous for now. So when it comes out under a different name don't be alarmed. as for the question of
>when
hopefully by the end of summer at the latest.
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>>65209311
For the first product it will be an always on version. but you will be able to remove a piece with a hex wrench in a few seconds to disable it, but not true selectable like people would like.
The system can be selectable in principle, the devil is in the details with the P320 since room is at a premium. If i did the easy selectable way, you would have a huge-ass box on the back of the slide and it would be ugly as hell. and that huge box could have fitment issues with some chassis. Chassis are the whole point! so it requires a more elegant solution that takes more effort.
If i was designing a handgun from the ground up, adding a selectable FRT would be the easiest addition in the world.
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https://youtu.be/G6xFW_7kPu4
Hoffman realized he is going to lose his patent suit so he designed a new FRT that works differently than a normal long lever Super Saftey.
Interesting how a patent actually promoted innovation. Will lolberts learn or seethe? Only time will tell.
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>>65211531
>INB4 he didnt patent this one either and the same situation happens again.
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>>65211566
NTA but that defense didn't work on the current lawsuit, very likely because of the ATF's "vested interest" letter.
I'm not going to get into an argument on that lawsuit or copyright either, just pointing this out.
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>>65211569
That's because Rarebreeds patent is for the reset mechanism, not the concept of an FRT itself (you cannot patent a concept). This uses a different reset mechanism. I know patents seem magic but there is a method to the madness.
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>>65211602
>there is a method to the madness.
There isn't and that's the issue people have with them. Between that and it being arbitrarily decide which are valid, which are approved, which are denied, etc. The "method" is literally "whatever bullshit we pull out of our ass today without any basis beyond the one we're making up right now."
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>>65199018
>s3igu
I honestly would prefer the GDI over s3igu. He's just building yet another AR FCG kinda-sorta lower. At least GDI took the feedback and is making their lower more G36-like.
>>65199138
This is would be my top pick. Drop in kit that lets you keep the original lower. Would just kinda suck to assemble but if sold as a full lower. Fuck yes.
>>65202384
Yeah I have like 0 trust in HK at this point with regards to anything G36 related. I would love to see more original accessories being sold. I'm hunting down a full-length handguard with attachment points and it's just such a pain in the ass.
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>>65211715
I understand it and the law is literally shit as it's completely open to interpretation on a per case bases, it's a "enforce and use how you see fit" vs an actual written standard. It's literally the ATFs rule making process applied to something else where there is no rhyme or reason to the actual enforcement/case law.
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>>65211701
>I honestly would prefer the GDI over s3igu. He's just building yet another AR FCG kinda-sorta lower. At least GDI took the feedback and is making their lower more G36-like.
still pretty cool you'd have more trigger options
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>>65211754
>OH I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS AND I'M TOO STUPID TO LEARN IT MUST BE RANDOM MAGIC!
This way of thinking is poisonous and will hurt you if you don't get rid of it. The ATF does not control patent law and patent review is a well established and predictable process.
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>>65212080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFRbsmZBiMs
Or buy an arizona regulator
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>>65211893
Oh yeah absolutely. But Hagadefense is currently working on an AR FCG lower as well, but from aluminum so it'll be good/better.
>>65212023
Similar to a proper-length K? I still need to have the barrel cut and re-threaded to 12" for 1/2x28. Current SG36s come with M15x1 RH which sucks for suppressors.
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>>65212983
Fuck, meant for >>65211898
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>>65193927
No, one of the assholes from TwinBros (the people who took a shitload of orders for Super Safeties and then claimed the ATF raided them and disappeared) filed a patent application on the SS months (maybe over a year, I forget) after Hoffman released it. This is obviously invalid, but Rare Breed was fucking stupid and got scammed by TwinBros just like all the people who paid for SS's that they never received.
>>65211531
IDK if Hoffman will lose or not.
* The SS does not literally infringe the 247 Patent, so RBT has to hope interpretation and Doctrine of Equivalents will carry them through
* the 723 Patent is now expired and RBT was enjoined by the prosecution in NY to not sell during the brief period when the SS was made available before it had expired
* the 784 patent probably doesn't apply since it is about a pivoting "locking mechanism" for .308 bolt carriers; only by ignoring the entire specification can you "read" the claims to apply to the SS, which is contrary to how patent law works
>lolberts
This libertarian is a patent attorney. Patents are explicitly discussed in the Constitution (article 1, section 8, clause 20) and are part of what has Made America Great -- allowing innovators to profit off their inventions.
>>65211553
That's actually what I dropped in to ask -- someone on barfcom wrote that Tim mentioned in an interview that he'd filed a patent application on this one. Is that correct or was the barftard just blowing smoke out his asshole?
Frankly, I hope Tim had a wakeup call because of the mess surrounding the SS and actually bothered to file an application this time before he released things. At a minimum it would prevent the TwinBros scammer from fucking things up again.
>>65211566
What the fuck prior art are you talking about? Point it out, please.
>>65211602
Yeah. It's kind of disgusting how many stupid shitheads bloviate about patents when they know absolutely nothing about the patent system.
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>>65211674
You are a fucking retarded zoomer communist and you should go live in Russia with all your retarded zoomer communist friends.
>>65211754
>I understand it and the law is literally shit as it's completely open to interpretation on a per case bases
No you don't and no it isn't. Patents are defined by their claims, which must be enabled by their specifications. Not claimed = public domain. It's just that shrimple.
>>65211760
Nope, anything already in "common practice" is considered prior art and is public domain.
>>65211890
>replacing the disconnector is spicy
Yeah, I'm a little worried about that. I get the impression that Tim didn't send anything to the ATF for evaluation, which is morally correct but legally dangerous for him. If the BATFuckers decide this is a machine gun he could end up behind bars. I haven't seen it in action to know if it's really a FRT or more akin to a Lightning Link.
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>>65215066
>Yeah, I'm a little worried about that. I get the impression that Tim didn't send anything to the ATF for evaluation, which is morally correct but legally dangerous for him. If the BATFuckers decide this is a machine gun he could end up behind bars. I haven't seen it in action to know if it's really a FRT or more akin to a Lightning Link.
it goes into safety like the super safety though and there is a reset of the trigger. Should be good enough
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>>65215066
NTA but I'm an IP attorney, as well as a patent holder myself, and I am here to tell you that the USPTO process is something that should inspire deep skepticism. I drew a lazy examiner who was high ranking enough that he didn't need a supervisor to review his work, who told me that I could have a patent if I narrowed my claim to the embodiment example I gave. I then had the option to file something called a continuation in part to get one patent for every other embodiment. Basically they made me pay twice for one idea and it is a lot easier to just pay them then explain their job to them.
You can think that patents are a good idea overall and also believe that the PTO is badly mismanaged.
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>>65215765
>You can think that patents are a good idea overall and also believe that the PTO is badly mismanaged.
Yet again, picrel.
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>>65215857
that would be the only reason, if you want it to be clone correct. I guess if you also didnt want to use a trip. A lot of AP5s coming out have denial blocks that newer versions of trips had to bypass, since this doesnt use a trip then that would never be a problem
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>>65215857
ARHK because it also works in G3/HK33 clones if you love roller-locks. Otherwise as >>65216000
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Following the super safety, the usage of it has been implemented in other platforms to achieve FRT capability. Do you think the same would come from the trigger kicker or do you think the AR is where it stops?
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GREETINGS!
I know this thread isn't sxactly friendly with rarebreed but I thought I'd add my two cents for posterity. I bought a MR-3 for my 416 clone and took it to the range today. Tried out FRT mode and it initially worked but then stopped. It would fire, cycle, and then I would have a dead trigger. Tested it out a few more times and realized I was getting hammer follow every round. Normal semiauto worked fine. Took it home and took the cassette out of the gun and this tiny little grubscrew that holds the reset lever in place was about a qaurter inch backed. I gronked it down and reinstalled and no more hammer follow.
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