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>>65210533
Best defense would be a good offense. After four year Ukraine retains the state cpacity to launch these types of strikes, and Russia can't do anything about it since it can't patrol Ukraine's interior.
It's not a perfect solution, even with air superiority over Iran, the U.S. cannot suppress every strike, but it can reduce their size and tempo making defense easier. Meanwhile Russia is getting blasted daily by a country a third the size of Iran.
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>>65210533
What rank is this Russian sailor? He's got a lot of purpose for an unemployed man.
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>>65210584
We're watching their AD network collapse in real time, they don't have the coverage to protect everything and are essentially powerless to curtail Ukrainian op tempo, which seems to be growing daily.
What I don't understand is why the Russian air force isn't doing more to shoot down drones. It may be because they lack cheap solutions to down drones or the risk of friendly fire too high.
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>>65210570
Senior rearline mayo taster.
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>>65210595
What're you gonna do, lol? Fire a missile 100x the cost at a drone? Use the autocannon? It's hopeless, even if you had free fuel to burn and a glut of pilots and parts to keep them all airworthy (they dont).
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>>65210536
>section of super-structure totally collapsed
>obvious deep interior flames, guaranteed fire and smoke damage
Pretty surprising damage given that was just 2 drones with ~110kg warheads.
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>>65210624
>it was ONLY a mere 450lbs of HE
Bruh...WTF am I reading???
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>>65210612
>What're you gonna do, lol? Fire a missile 100x the cost at a drone?
An interceptor that costs 100x that of the drone is worth using as the cost of the drone reaching it's target will most likely be 100x the cost of the interceptor you brown retard.
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>>65210595
>What I don't understand is why the Russian air force isn't doing more
Because they're doing all they can.
They still have impressive numbers on paper but readiness costs money and that's something post-soviet russia never had enough. The whole branch is well and truly a paper triger.
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>>65210605
>(not assault!)
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>>65210536
Copelord said the ship was lightly damaged at worst and I trust high skilled amd well experienced proffessional like him.
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>>65210772
No. If the munitions are secure while out at sea, why wouldn't they be secure in drydock? Offloading munitions only to re-onboard them would be a waste of effort.
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>>65210667
It's easy to miss the waterline by going too high or too long(hitting the water) and you'd be surprised how hard these things can be to sink, especially if carrying light cargo. Also a hull breech is a (relatively) easy fix. Meanwhile hitting the bridge is easier to hit, immediately take it out of service and requires more time to repair. It also kills crew, which is unfortunate, but might discourage other crews from making the same trip in future. Not only that, but a damaged ship takes up port space, rather than just being written off.
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>>65211202
Most are non-russian civilian crews, in this case Azerbaijani. Just guys doing their job, going where they are told. I'm not saying the ships shouldn't be hit, they absolutely should, but it's always a shame when a random crew member has to pay the price for someone else's war.
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>>65211165
According to russian "logic" on the topic, ass-raping another man is perfectly straight and by no means homo.
But if Anon really ass-raped Copelord, that would make Copelord an irredeemable homofag and ritually unclean according to their way of seeing things.
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>>65210829
at the rate things are going
I will one day wake up to a tweet of copelord saying
>putin has consolidated power and has given the order for full mobilisation under martial law
while putin is on a one way express flight to the hague and the uaf is at the gates of the kremlin
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>>65211248
>puccna faces catastrophic collapse
>Putain gets the Beria treatment by his underlings who proceed to immediately sue for peace with hoholistan and the HATO just to avoid famine and cannibalism levels of complete collapse
Copelord: Russia didn't need Putin anyway, this is actually a victory for mighty russia! It was obviously part of the plan all along! Something, something, 5D hyperdimensional political and strategic super-chess by russia.
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Yeah 450 lbs of HE is a fucking lot, thats a LARGE payload for a drone attack. Even low quality HE 200lbs will fuck something like a thin skinned warship up badly and the stuff they send to attack a naval base is probably high quality/best they have available.
Modern warships are not at all durable, regardless of navy or nation they have no meaningful armor and are built almost entirely out of 2CM structural plating on more robust load bearing frames. Unironically a modern tanker has better protection against explosive attacks, since they virtually all have double hulls, effectively giving them lighweight spaced armor. That corvette theres probably, but only probably, some kevlar padding around the CIC so the ship does get mission killed by splinters from a near miss, but aside that they have no armor.
A modern naval ship, American, Chinese, British, Russian, French Whoever, can be killed by a .50 cal machine gun if you know where to shoot, since no armor is enough to protect from the shaped charge on a sea skimming cruise missile they simply do not bother putting armor on them at all. They survive with active defenses like RAM and CIWS, chaff clouds, jamming and see first/shoot first.
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>>65210673
The problem is that if they have 100+ drones to allocate for such a target and your math works it end up costing you the value of the vessel in interceptors and than it still gets sunk the moment you run out. So thst way you lose 2x the value compared to just doing nothing. While the opponent loses 101times 2 grand. Not even the price of one interceptor.
Terrible trade ratio. At this point it would be better to dry dock those vessels near Japan and take the anti air systems for frontline use and the less skilled sailors for cannon fodder at the front.
It is a mathematically better use of resources.
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>>65210533
There is NOTHING we can do. If you cannot outrun the drone, attempt to throw the AK-47 at it
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>>65211442
>put AD near front line so it can face more drones
>send entire navy to the Pacific so it can't do AA or launch missiles
>send sailors to die pointlessly on the front
This man is a fucking genius, someone tell the tsar.
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>>65210673
This retarded math equation is the same reason why the brown retarded mutts and musloids had no issues firing 8 patriots at one drone without taking the 10 other drones in the raping queue into account.
The math checks out if you omit the math.
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>>65210613
What is going on Air Force wise in this war? I've mostly seen drone footage and drone strikes reported on.
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>>65211387
Thank you for the intelligent reply anon. Interesting insight on this! I'm curious what this will mean for future warship development, since I'd guess every (relevant) military in the world will now be trying to spam cheap drones for future conflicts.
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>>65212326
There was limited dogfighting early on in the war (literally first week, basically nothing after that). Russia has largely relegated their aircraft to indirect bombardment roles (lol), no joke: they're using helicopter gunships and fighter-bombers for indirect bombing runs, tilting the pitch of helis so their rocket pods follow a diffuse ballistic trajectory. Or with fighter-bombers they drop retrofit glide bombs from dozens of km away, and hit the 'vague area' of a target.
Problem is both sides are bristling with AA systems, so actual bombing runs, infantry drops, or dogfights are suicide (like what we saw happen to Russia in the first week). Drones are obviously too small for meaningful deterrence, so they're running amok.
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>>65210791
What do you honestly think his Russian officers would lie to a young hansom man like that just so they can gang rape him in the bunk rooms them send him to his death charging the trenches of the enemy with nothing but a rusted solid gun with no ammo that is older than his own father?
Do you truly think the Russians could be so cruel and evil to one of there own people Anon? For shame Anon for shame that you could think such a horrible thing about the Russian army.
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>>65212360
I miss the earlier days
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>>65210612
>use the autocannon
Unironically, yes.
Or do what the Ukrainians are doing besides interceptor drones - Mi-17's, transport planes with door gunners, anything. FP-2's are even simpler then Shaheds for the most part.
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>>65212678
>thought it was his stupid hair
>his head is just naturally shaped like that
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Many such cases.
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>>65212851
> I worry that my audience might not understand what I've tried to be. And if I were to be killed, Willard, I would want someone to go to my twitter account and tell my audience everything. Everything I shilled, everything you saw, because there's nothing that I detest more than the stench of truth. And if you understand my cope, Willard, you will do this for me.
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Doesn't Russia have like thousands of anti aircraft guns and flak guns that they inherited from the Soviet Union?
Is there a reason why Russia isn't using these anti aircraft guns or hasn't modernized them and fielded them? Or is it just Russian incompetence and corruption that prevents them from doing this.
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>>65213120
No I mean things like the ZU-23-2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZU-23-2
Shouldn't there be like thousands of these things that are available? Or have all these things been rusted to scrap.
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>>65213133
I have a feeling that the suspiciously padded bank accounts of russian officers in the 1990s, and the suspiciously frequent appearance of these things on the backs of trucks and in random fortifications in Africa, might have something to do with it.
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>>65213118
People need to stop inflating the USSR into something it really wasn't. Even if you had a brand new, last run 23-2's or something out of 1990, that's a 36 year old gun, most of them still rattling around would be well into the 50y/o and the oldest would be in the 80 years of age. They were built cheap by people who just had to meet quotas and didn't give a single marxist red fuck about their job as long as they got left alone to do their shit.
No one modernised them
Some of the Polish and Finns had improved fire control, there was some speculative maybe-fuckery in Russia but by the mid 90's there was no money, inclination or expectation to keep small, woefully outdated AAA system in working order as by then there was missile systems which had better solutions for SHORAD for a lot of years. All they were good for was sandpeople hosing down apartment blocks, morale for static firebases and maybe on the stars aligning chance you might be able to shoot a helicopter down with one.
>Everything else from the air was fast movers
>Anything rolling on tracks with serious armour didn't give a fuck about 23mm
In either case, you're a noisy, brightly flashing target winking for some direct fire or CAS, no one had any idea their next war would be moped-engine powered spray-drones with warheads being a potential threat and god help anyone prior to 2022 considering a viable doctrine. It just wasn't, there was cruise missiles for that and combat drones as we knew them shot hellfire missiles at people and they flew so high no one was shooting them down with guns at any rate.
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I wonder if we will see a return of flak guns and anti aircraft guns to counter drones. Like a layered defense of flak guns, anti aircraft guns, and lasers with AI assisted targeting to counter drones that are powered by AI assisted targeting.
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Almost everyone's Soviet era AA/AAA guns are better than Russia's, they neglected them for almost half a century. Not just physical neglect, they C&C hasn't been updated for 40-50 years.
There was a very long period where the USSR abandoned guns in favor of missiles and they never recovered.
Even places like Vietnam would do better than Russia, their old guns have Israeli FCS these days and their SPAAGs are the same. Shilka's with western digital systems and KS-19s tied into the AA net with fiber optics, that sort of thing. Hell, even the Norks ridiculous ZPU stockpile is automated these days, Russia just neglected this shit for too long.
Older style AA is suddenly useful, for instance Ukraine very much wishes they still had the radar and control vehicles for their KS-19s no matter how antiquated they were; they make for good rapid fire artillery but they really wish they could us them to flyswat long range drones.
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>>65213223
>Bridge and radar visibly detached in fire video, ship in drydock
>'video' of the 'wreck' shows bridge and radar still attached, ship has miraculously sailed out of drydock to moor alongside a the docks then sink.
Sloppa/10
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>>65210533
Flying drones are easy on paper. It's only been 4ish years since they were proven to be extremely effective, so countermeasures haven't quite had time to be developed. It'll boil down to lasers and/or radar-aimed autocannons firing airburst rounds. I wouldn't be surprised if interceptor drones also gained traction.
Waterborne drones are much worse IMO and are going to eventually require a pure "fire-with-fire" approach. Future naval vessels will be surrounded by a constantly rotating fleet of tiny subs that scan for hostile versions of themselves with optical sensors. If you thought normal subs were hard to detect, imagine how invisible a 5-foot-long one will be. Sonar won't be enough.
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>>65211361
why does anyone believe that clown? He retired or was forced to retire at a pretty low level in the military. Anyone that is used the US military knows his rank don't mean much and the only clowns that care are out to spread misinformation or just plain retarded.
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>>65210533
Basically something like the flakpanzer gepard AA guns, we have years of data on them in Ukraine and those fucking work great against anything low and slow. There also isn't a lot that can be done in response by the attackers to one, vs either make them stealth which would be expensive unit cost and remove the swarm spam aspect (but nevertheless I feel this is a possibly rational step), or make the things missile-fast in which case RAMs or CIWS is already there for that.
everything bigger than a dinghy should have gepard-like radar+AA going forward. Gepard in 2016 dollars is could cost like 2-3 million a pop. What the FUUUUCKKK is 2-3 million vs losing an entire fucking ship or having it mission killed.
Ukraine's interceptor drones also kinda work (not perfect but way better than nothing aka trying to hit them with small arms by eye).
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>>65214655
VGH RETVRN TO TRADITION!
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>>65214655
They even predate dreadnoughts.
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>>65214709
They are useful for things other than torpedo protection. They provide a visual screen for your in port operations and shield your small craft from waves. They should be standard issue.
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>>65212360
>no joke: they're using helicopter gunships and fighter-bombers for indirect bombing runs, tilting the pitch of helis so their rocket pods follow a diffuse ballistic trajectory
This has been part of official doctrine since the Soviet times when they used to be more worthy of respect. They got tables for speed, pitch, rocket, and pod types.
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>Ukraine struck a Russian Navy weapons storage base in Bolshaya Izhora, Leningrad region, on June 6, using around 40 attack drones, Dosye Shpiona said.
>Russian air defenses downed 32 drones, but hits on ground hangar storage sites triggered detonations.
>Around 5,000 tons of property were lost, mainly artillery and engineering ammunition.
>Two arsenal servicemen were killed.
We have some numbers about the Leningrad arsenal, courtesy of Noel Reports.
32/40 isn't bad, 80% interception rate.
Ukies average 91% against long-range drones but it's pretty good for Russia and gives some idea of how much of that swarm makes it through.
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Behold, the AD cucks in their full glory. There was a propaganda picture posted a while back that was touting these new units and now we're seeing them on the field. That picture however had more modern vehicles, but there was one buchanka model lurking in the background, barely visible. Figures those are the real one's we get to see. This is on the Kronstadt island, near St. Pidorsburg.
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>>65216718
In my opinion it's because ziggers could draw unfavorable parallels to 9/11 which the orange retard & other western backers would frown upon. And Ukrainians aren't retarded snow apes whose only purpose is to suffer and cause suffering.
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We know a little more about the strike on the bridge to Crimea.
>Ukrainian developers showed the Begemot mid-strike drone, capable of carrying up to 75 kg over a range of 300 km.
>The UAV took part in the overnight strike on the bridge near Chonhar.
>Its listed specs include a tandem warhead, cruising speed of 170-180 km/h, maximum speed of 200 km/h, low-altitude combat flight at 90-300 m, FPV and autonomous control, Starlink communication and launch preparation within 15 minutes.
I don't want to call it a Shahed clone without knowing its internals but it's definitely in the same family of delta-wing drones albeit a little smaller across the board.
There's a whole video but it's a presentation in Ukrainian and doesn't include any new graphics about the drone.
If you want it, it's here: https://t.me/noel_reports/47416
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Notice & detour.
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>>65216776
The posts about that pic being misattributed got to me before the articles that included it (Butysov fell for it of course).
Right bridge I believe, wrong impact event.
Use better sources anon, yours fell for hopium.
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>>65214529
Yeah a lot of people don't realize that you make captain by time in service. Besides iirc he was an artillery officer but was not put in command of an actual artillery unit for deployment because he was a dumbass.
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>big if true.
>it's probably just cope tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-188_Rusty_Dagger#Delivery_plans
Seems semi-legit, it's in-line with current practices to send a few samples ahead of schedule to testing and to generally provide delivery ahead of schedule to confound enemy interdiction attempts and get a jump on them tactically.
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>big oof
I've been there once, was cycling around a lake in China and discovered the bridge didn't permit pedestrians or bicycles. Had to backtrack 30km to return to my hotel instead of ride 5km over the bridge.
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Sure could, and for our Kerch bridge destruction enjoyers supposedly there was a Neptune launched at it/ships near it, but nothing came of it.
Anyways, here's the 15th ammunition depot of the Russian Navy near St. Pidorsburg with a low quality satpic.
This is what it sounded like when it was cooking off: https://files.catbox.moe/vmq74l.mp4
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This is where the info about an attempted strike at Kerch comes from.
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>>65212769
in the first fews days of burgerlands '3 day special military operation' iran was launching hundreds of missiles & drones a day, including to dubai for some reason(based iran desu)
now they are flinging maybe a few dozen missiles & drones out a week after a couple weeks of taking bombings
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>>65217022
You may still have hope, this is from 2 hours ago. Kerch bridge might have a spicy night.
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I am still pissed they canceled this beauty.
806 deserved to die though, that bitch was fugly.
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Chinks have come up with this idea, fire up a smoke screen to block aerial views.
Wery implessive, I know, but I could see it having some situational uses. Though obviously very niche one, maybe for breakthrough attempts in a small area to protect inf & mechanized elements in the final assault? Probably won't help all that much against FPVs as they'll still fly through it, but it'll at least hinder their target acquisition & recon drones visibility.
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>>65217335
Just look at those lines, that form factor.
The sleekness. So sexy. Slides perfect. Nice. Everything clean. Oiled. So that your action is beautiful. Smooth.
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>>65217337
Ah yes, classic Chinese invention from 500,000B.C. Smoke in sky stop sky-dragon from landing and eating soldier's face. Ancient traditional chinese herbal remedy for SMO lasting 5 years and fucking your country's military in the ass with cheap as shit drones.
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>>65218233
Everything.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g44gprnnvo
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>>65218250
500k KIA, thus roughly 1 million WIA (since this is Russia we are talking about I'm not giving them any more favorable ratio than 2:1). That's like 10% of their male fighting age population.
Are you sure this is worth it Vovya?
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>can someone tell what all is confirmed hit
Russian puppets are losing badly in the Armenian elections too.
More oil infrastructure went boom in Novorossiysk last night.
Russia did manage to turn the lights out in Odesa though.
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>>65216779
>Chongar bridge attacked
That reminds me, that bridge was damaged back in June 22, 2023. Russians spent several weeks rebuilding it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQBxe0eQ2bg
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/chongar-bridge-blown-up-on-july-29-sat ellite-1690783362.html
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>>65210533
>HOW do you 'actually' protect a $100M-$300M corvette against $500-$2500 flying or surface craft drones?
Some countries fly prop planes with a door gunner.
Russia prefers to keep those on the ground so that they can watch the UAV hanger get droned.
Ironic!
>Protasovo airfield, Ryazan
https://files.catbox.moe/vqmil1.mp4
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>>65210533
damage was confirmed minimalist
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>>65210595
Russian fighters don't carry alot of ammo (like less than 200) for their auto cannons unlike american fighters, and yeah way too expensive to use their more modern missles (that they're struggling to fill all their fighters with btw) on a cheap drone.
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i really don't understand this point. I mean, when a military target in faglands gets hit, we at first get footage from ppl making photos and videos, and then western media release western military satellite photos
but in case of keef, we... also get footage from the ground level from civvies? And there's no satellite images being done and/or published because we literally don't need them? The damage is visible? We don't need these photos because we don't need to calculate deviation from the intended targets because these aren't our fucking strikes? We don't even know what the real targets are, since we just assume these are random terror strikes? We also don't need them to calculate damage because it's in a fucking city, you can see it from the ground level? The only source for these satellite photos he's asking for should be available from russian social medias at best, what the hell is he complaining about?
i literally do not understand this on any level
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>>65218980
While I'm sure Ukrainian media is being asked to suppress stuff to make BDAs harder too we also don't get regular cope about tragic smoking accidents leading to light aesthetic damage and shit. There's generally less to assess when it's 'well yeah they sure fucking hit the local equivalent of a Wal-Mart' and the news is talking about it.
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>While I'm sure Ukrainian media is being asked to suppress stuff to make BDAs harder too
There's a law on it, citizens aren't supposed to post anything about strikes on government and military facilities either.
In the big strike that hit the Chornobyl museum, a government office was also hit (but was not reported) and a military facility had a missile impact in its yard and some blastwave damage to windows but that wasn't reported either.
When the two missiles hit the mall and the fruit market, a bunch of commieblocks in that suburb ate drones or drone debris (maybe two dozen) also but that didn't get reported because the mall, market and museum made for way more dramatic photos.
Also, barely anyone died in the apartment buildings so it wasn't a huge news item and the media concentrated on picrel.
That said, it's Russia's "responsibility" to post the BDA of strikes on Ukraine, the fact that the Russian public does so out of a love of truth is incidental.
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