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>However, in the development of the joint fighter jet, the French Dassault Group and the Franco-German aviation group Airbus could not agree on the work shares and the patent rights for new developments. For months, Germany and France had struggled to settle the dispute. However, the mediators deployed ended their work unsuccessfully, now Macron and Merz have finally stopped the project. Spain is also involved in the project with the manufacturer Indra.

>For Germany and France, the failure of the project is a bitter slouch politically: For years, Macron has been insisting on European sovereignty and joint arms projects. Now the most ambitious European arms project to date is failing due to industrial policy discrepancies with a close partner. Together with the former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Macron had given the go-ahead for the project in 2017.

>As a core problem, Merz had also recently mentioned that the French need a different warplane than the Bundeswehr. In the next generation of warplanes, France needs a nuclear-capable aircraft that is also suitable for aircraft carriers. The Bundeswehr does not need this at present. From the German side, the option was finally brought into play to realize FCAS with two aircraft. France rejected this.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland-und-frankreich-stoppen-gemeinsamen-kampfjet-fcas-a-7e9fbe17-7f39-4259-981b-e3f00c0da9a9

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>>65219332
Why are they ALWAYS like this?
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>>65219346
It's about diplomacy and domestic economics instead of military.
>we need money for our industry's life support because we wasted it on migrants and pensioners, how to get?
>invent a new europroject
>it's a symbol of unity, independence, and financial responsibility, goy!
>why no we don't want to share IP with you
>why no we don't want to pay for upgrading factories in your country
>why no we don't want to buy enough product to amortize costs
>this goes on for a decade
>welp, big success but it's time to retire thanks to this comfy salary I've scouted the perfect chateau in the Alps!
>new lads come in
>we need money for our industry's life support
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>>65219346
euro trannies are terminally low IQ
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>Europe tries not to commit civilizational suicide: Challenge Level -- impossible
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>>65219387
56%
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>>65219332
So willl Germany ask SAAB to partner up for a 6th gen platform or will they join GCAP?
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>>65219346
>>65219363
Collective action problem. Everyone wants to reap the benefits; nobody wants to pay the costs. A fledgling United States had this problem when the Articles of Confederation were in effect prior to 1787. All the states wanted fun things like a navy, border controls and a diplomatic corps to stand up to European powers, but nobody wanted to pay for it.
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>>65219392
Correct! The GDP per capita in Europe is 56% of the GDP per capita in the United States
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>>65219346
>>65219363
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>>65219387
this is good news. Germany and France are better off doing things alone in this regard. they can still work together with different weapon systems.
>>65219406
not clear yet, the ILA airshow might give further hints. also possible that Germany+Spain will cook something.
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>>65219420
you would now about per capita wouldn't you mutt
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The French will never be able to finance a 6th gen fighter alone. They will cope with the CCA's and Rafale F5, but that's not enough.

Maybe they get the Indians aboard.
The Germans will probably team up with the Spanish and the Swedes.
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>FCAS
>ASRAAM
>Eurofighter
>Europanzer
>Hermes manned spacecraft

Why do these pan Eiropean projects always stumble
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>>65219113

Way to not check the catalog before posting.
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>>65219406
They'll order more F-35s.
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>>65219332
Shit looked like a painfull agony but at least now both companies can move forward.
As a baguette I can't deny I'm a bit worried about Dassault capacity do build up a 6th gen aircraft alone. It seriously feel like the commercial succes of the Rafale influated the heads's ego of the company to some sky-high level.
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Time to get yourself a Turkish plane
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>>65219460
in all likelihood yes, but that doesn't mean something else won't be developed.
>>65219464
no reason to when we already have F-35 on order.
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