Why they are registered for the draft of they are women?? What??? That is fucked up. They are women

>>43260986
I actually want to go to this and cheer on all the girls. It's such a cool phenomena where they all go fully and unironically girl to make sure the army knows they're not suitable, it's girlmoding like your life depends on it because it kinda does.

>Remember that anything less than HRT over the counter is abuse
Yeah this. It really upsets me that we're debating bathrooms AGAIN but nobody ever wants to talk about OTC estrogen.

>>43261012
Thailand doesn't have legal sex change. But in practice trans women are never treated like men.

>>43261012
You should see the video, one gay guy is just praying to God the navy will take him.

Thailand has strange rules, they cant change documents, but are actually seen as women. The whole "im a ladyboy" is for forang, so they dont get killed or beaten. They absolutely do see themselves as women.

t. i go to thailand every 6 months and speak to everyone there

>>43261014
Kinda funny how anons here are like "i cant go to the supermarket in girl mode" but then these princesses are turning up for conscription in a high slit dress and heels because they're bad bitches.

Hrt is so important, i get angry when i hear my fellow citizen shit talk DIY, imagine giving up the chance to be happy because a pervert doctor says no

>>43261012
>They are women! They are women!
They are male and are disposable for war purposes.
Sorry

Transwomen are not women but look pretty sometimes

>>43261039
>>43261043
But they just make them go to the draft? It is evil! Any country that makes trans women go to the draft can get fucked imo

>>43261059
You are evil

>>43261066
There is a way to get out the draft.

You have to get a gender dysphoria diagnosis, and then you appeal the draft on mental health issue grounds, as being transgender is classed as mental health disorder.

>>43261066
Yeah it's become a ritual. Thailand has an annual draft day, so all the trannies at that age show up, get their shit stamped whatever the Thai equivalent of 4F is, flirt with all the army guys and then go party.

It's the coolest thing, I really want to go.

>>43261107
Well what if they do not have enough money that is evil

>>43261131
But that's scary what if they send you in the army? I don't want to go in the army it's not fair

>>43261155
Yeah but they never do. Unless you're clearly just a guy who put on a dress for the first time that day just to dodge the draft it's all just a big show.

It's not like a tranny can pass a physical anyway.

>>43261142
I agree

>transgender women are legally prohibited from serving in the Thai military and are instead required to appear at the annual conscription lottery to claim an exemption.

>Although they cannot serve, transgender women must attend the draft center in person to present medical documentation, such as a gender reassignment certificate or proof of surgery, to prove their eligibility for exemption. Failure to appear can result in legal penalties, including potential imprisonment, while those without proper documentation risk being forced to serve if they draw a red card in the lottery.

>Exemption Criteria: Individuals are exempt if they possess a gender recognition certificate or relevant medical documents proving they have undergone gender reassignment surgery, hormone therapy, or breast augmentation.
The Process: Trans women are classified as "Category 2" (gender identity mismatch) and must undergo medical examinations to prove their identity, a process that activists describe as stressful and stigmatizing.

>Consequences: If a transgender woman fails to present the necessary paperwork or is not exempted, she is subject to the same two-year compulsory service as cisgender men, which has been linked to increased mental health risks and suicide rates within the community.

>>43261186
It is still evil to scare them with that and plus we don't know what they will do in the future?? They might just make them go in the army to fight Cambodia or different countries like that

>>43261194

>The medical examination process for transgender women in Thailand is extremely stressful, widely described as a "nightmare" by activists and participants.

Key sources of stress include:

>Fear of Humiliation: Trans women report intense anxiety about being "undressed, stared at, or humiliated in public" during examinations.

>Mental Health Crisis: The stress is so severe that it has been linked to increased suicide rates within the transgender community around draft time. Activists report some would "rather take their lives" than face the draft.

>Invasive and Arduous Procedures: Those who haven't undergone surgery may face long, embarrassing medical exams and mental health tests, including a psychological evaluation with up to 800 questions, to "prove" their gender identity.
Stigmatizing Diagnosis: The exemption process often requires a diagnosis of "Gender Identity Disorder," which many activists find stigmatizing and outdated.

>Media Ridicule: The presence of transgender women is often sensationalized and mocked by the media, adding to the emotional burden.
Even with proper documentation, the requirement to attend in person and undergo this process is a significant source of psychological and emotional distress.

>>43261194
>>43261575
thanks chatgpt, now kill yourself

>>43261714
Still right Thailand is evil

>>43261732
>Thailand is evil

Better than England

>>43261059
bot

>>43262093
He is evil anyway trans women are not disposable for wars we are precious to everyone who lives and cares about us in our lives it's not true what he said

>>43261043
T. 55 year old Swedish man

>>43261575
>Fear of Humiliation: Trans women report intense anxiety about being "undressed, stared at, or humiliated in public" during examinations
Same

>>43261738
In England, you simply would not be able or allowed to dodge the draft on the basis of being a troon, if they had a draft. Not least because you can't actually get diagnosed or strogged before like age 22 at this point, so draftees at 18 couldn't possibly get an exemption.

>>43261043
That makes a lot of sense, good to hear they're normal and the ladyboy thing is just a compatibility layer for the gay defense nutters

>>43262103
sry anon, pp at birth means you get to enjoy male privileges such as being disposable

>>43261058
does HRT work on pills or am I cucked
I cannot believe that left pic troon was once a man
I can only imagine having half the results on my hondose pill routine (200mg spiro/4mg ev sublingual daily)

>>43262103
AHHHAHAHAHAHAHA holy fucking cope
>>43262093
bot

>>43263251
What youngshittery and good social environment does to a woman

>>43263251
>I cannot believe that left pic troon was once a man
Asian Points + surgery, also you can kinda tell if you look at his jaw

>>43263251
pills are an outdated meme yes, switch to injections asap also cut ur balls

>>43263251
The best AA is having no testicles.

Get injections and run high doses. Your doctor doesnt know shit. High doses. Not hon doses.

And one more thing anon. Try not to compare yourself too much to others, it isnt good for you.

>>43262577
We no longer legally exist. On paper we're still in the Equality Act, but in practice any employer, gym, sauna, sports team can tell us to fuck off. The UK has successfully marginalised us, and whilst one or two of us slip through the cracks, we are mostly doomed.

I almost want there to be a draft because this country is pure evil

>>43263947
Bica is good for those with strong backdoor pathways/peripheral androgenization or adrenal androgens.

>>43263970
On reflection here's how it would work: Labour would insert an exemption for trans women, pat themselves on the back about it, introduce a draft at age 18, and maintain the total impossibility of being diagnosed by age 18. That way they can tell themselves they're good people while drafting every tranny.

Later, Reform would remove the exemption and Labour would say they're not going to waste political capital on reinstating it while the NHS remains underfunded.

>>43264064
That sounds plausible. And very on board for Labour

They send all mtf's to male prison but theres an exemption clause. A minister has to agree to send someone to a female prison. Guess how many times that exemption has been enacted, 0

>>43260986
What age is the cut off point for this yearly draft stuff?

>>43264138
Right, exactly. This is their standard MO: they make tranny life impossible for the chud vote, but they also add some absolutely toothless rule that can't come into effect so they can tell the bleeding heart middle class "left" that they're good people. The symbol politics is all the sentimentalists want so they keep voting Labour while saying they'll vote Green (but then on poll day, "oh everyone knows the Greens can't win, I'd be throwing my vote to the Tories, I'm in a Lib/Lab split seat anyway so I have to vote Labour").

>>43263865
>>43263947
but I want to keep my cok and bawls
I'm a wannabe tranny I don't want to cut off that which makes me TRANS

>>43262670
I'm not disposable and trans women are not disposable so what your saying is not true and we are not defined by our parts

>>43263256
It's not cope I'm telling the truth that you don't want to know

>>43264628
>t. Massimo McCopenheimer

I support over the counter estrogen and many others.
Its such a hard substance to abuse desu.
What are the effects? Impotence, weaker muscle and breast? Naaah, we can't let these violent criminals get their hands on this!!

My argument is basically that there is already 0 reason for anyone who is not a tranny to abuse readily available estrogen as it has no effects in which the average male would be interested in.
The gatekeeping is pointless.
Do you think OTC estro.will ever actually be a thing?

>>43266505
It's not cope there's many people who love and support us and would not send us to war you are lying

>>43266625
>Do you think OTC estro.will ever actually be a thing?

Not in the UK, nordic countries or anywhere authoritarian. Its easy to create a moral panic over and a lot of the population enjoy being slaves, they enjoy being told what they can and cannot do

>>43260986
Instead if complaining about trannie being drafted, how about just complaining about the draft tardy

>>43266660
im sorry anon but this is genuinely some F grade copium

>>43268844
It's not cope it's true ask a lot of people and a lot of them would say no because people don't like when women get hurt and killed

>>43268858
Anon, civilians are not allowed to own military strength copium

>>43263811
Her head is also comically large for a woman
>>43263947
>High doses. Not hon doses.
You don't get actually any more feminization from higher doses. Just bloated body, dry skin and flappy looks.
Women in their late 20s have naturally higher estrogen than teen girls but who looks more feminine? Also pregnancy and birth control raise estrogen levels but it does not make women look more feminine.
You just give yourself the hormonal profile of a woman on birthcontrol for no fucking reason.
Women look like women because of low testosterone plus normal amount of e.

>>43264138
>Guess how many times that exemption has been enacted, 0
Is it because all trans women in prison there are people with penises? If you had a vagina you would be in female prison cause having srs makes you a female

>>43269133
I'm not coping stop saying I am coping

>>43269215
>Is it because all trans women in prison there are people with penises? If you had a vagina you would be in female prison cause having srs makes you a female

No. Even if you have had srs you get put in the main population

If you have srs and a GRC then you can appeal for solitary confinement

Get in the trench, Alice

>>43269207
Honscience

>>43269224
>t. Copemaxxer

>>43269215
>If you had a vagina you would be in female prison cause having srs makes you a female
In Bongland, this is not the case.

>>43263251
oral estrogen produces 10x more e1 than e2, fucks with your GH vs IGF synthesis, and cannot give reliable, effective levels, so yeah ditch oral.

go get EC or EEn. take 3mg a week intramuscularly as your starting dose. get bloods a couple months in. if your T is in female ranges then stay there. if not, up it to 4mg. do IM, not subq. nobody quite knows why but subq is a little weird in some people compared to IM. get your buds fully developed then start looking at prog. you only need 6-12 months on injection mono before prog becomes viable. prog goes up your butt or in via an IM injection every 3 days. you do 1-2 weeks on prog a month.

if you want curves, start taking pioglitazone with your prog. 30mg is the correct dose. dont take it for more than a year, and eat a fat rich, low sugar diet on it.

if you want big boobs, look into clobetasol. you use it in conjunction with pio, and is not for people unwilling to read on stuff. it causes rapid rounding of breasts, and also induces growth cycles. if youre stuck at fatty bud stages, this seems to make your boobs consume the whole of your fat pad in a very short span of time.

if you want inviting to a server with a decent bit of info on pio and clobetasol lemme know.

>>43263947
>Get injections and run high doses. Your doctor doesnt know shit. High doses. Not hon doses.
you actual fucking moron, do you want long term desensitization? reduced receptor density? reduced transcription? SHBG out the ass? no LH at all? yes please give me reduced neurosteroid production i want to get dumber.

>>43272302
Honscience

>>43272501
estrogen is honscience
ibuprofen is honscience

>>43272302
Note that if you want high LH you want to combine moderate dose E with Bicalutamide.

It'll also help prevent masculinization from peripheral and adrenal androgens.

>>43272532
this is sensible, but im always hesitant to suggest bical because i personally have had bad experiences from bicals underdocumented sides

Mad how you've got such hateful anons trying to hondose baby tranners

Reminds me of when they were here a few weeks back, encouraging mtfs to rub testosterone on themselves

>>43272541
Like what?

>>43263251
>>43263811
Think it's changed in the last few years but traditionally Thai ladyboys pretty much only used pills, usually OTC birth control and cypro. They almost always start in their teens and sometimes even before puberty.

>>43272302
very interested in pio and clobetasol, discord is off.kilter

>>43272657
>ladyboys
statement disregarded
anyone who uses that term probably knows nothing about the material conditions of kathoey and phuying kham-phet

>>43261012
>They are women
Ngl, either draft should be abolished or women should have to do it too. Not fair for gender equality

>>43272946
>or women should have to do it too

Its ok to mass kill innocent people AS LONG AS ITS GENDER EQUAL

>>43272650
it competes with copper and zinc for one, which affects cognition. i wound up with mild hallucinations on it.

>>43272553
are you the undergraduate making the anti-pio threads by any chance?

>>43261039
That's kinda based ngl I don't need the government gender loicense if my real life is smooth going anyways

>>43273126
>it competes with copper and zinc for one, which affects cognition.
do you have any links to read about this? haven't really heard of anything negative about bica besides the liver thing

>>43273158
You kinda do for things like employment laws.

>>43273126
I have no strong feelings on pio, stop encouraging homdosing and testosterone for mtf's

>>43273212
testosterone gel has legitimate but niche uses. you dont know what hondosing is. kindly learn something before opening your mouth. you do not need troughs that bottom out at a the 99th percentile cis womans cycle peak, and if you think youre benefiting from running that long term youre an idiot who doesnt understand the basics of hormone therapy.

>>43273256
>personal attacks

Fuck off mumsnetter

>>43273378
back to susans with you, sissy

>>43260986
HRT is abuse

>43273411
Stop telling baby tranners to run low dose estrogen when high doses are critical for testosterone suppression.

Dont reply

>>43269756
You are evil

>>43269892
If you say I'm coping again it's proof your an idiot because no one else just says that over and over

>>43272946
Well most people don't think that so most people think you are wrong

>>43273501
>rub testosterone on your tits!

>>43273421
NTA but I thought the whole dispute was whether you needed less than perfect suppression (combined with a strong anti-androgen) to maintain some circulating gonadotripins, to which at least breast tissue is known to respond.
It's not a proven theory by any stretch of the imagination but I know a lot of people who went straight to injection monotherapy who have no boob to speak of years later.

>>43273559
What the fuck is wrong with you????

>>43273685
There's some thought that T aromatizing into E locally in tissue is better than free E (and that free T being picked up by SHBG instead of SHBG picking up E means more estrogenic activity).

LH also provides a unique form of breast growth. I've definitely considered it and I might need to take Bica anyways for other reasons before an orchi.

>>43273706
Because im sick of lies from mumsnetters on this board. Mtfs need to run estrogen levels higher than cis women, because the process of feminisation is an uphill battle for most of us.

Stop encouraging hon dosing

>>43273685
Its a crackpot theory that relies on an AA sufficently suppressing elevated testosterone.

The pituary gland and adrenal glands produce sufficient testosterone, there is 0 need to have your testicles functional in any way.

Boob growth is genetic and individual. Progesterone before 36 months is unwise, as it limits growth, so the cases you are referring to are often those who misused Progesterone.

>>43273734
I didn't mean to reply to you I agree with you I meant to reply to the person who keeps saying I'm coping because I said trans women aren't disposable for the army

>>43273734
A lot of feminization is actually from T suppression. Too much E up front can also supposedly nuke stuff like hip growth, especially for youngshits.

Mild E at the start + T blockers (not GnRH meds!) seems to be the best route, then ramping up e later.

>>43273773
Ohh ok fair enough.

Thanks anon

>>43273778
>A lot of feminization is actually from T suppression.

Demonstrably untrue. The absence of testosterone does not result in feminisation.

Lets say a cis man has a orchirectomy. So they become a passoid mtf after one year? No. They experience osteoporosis, night sweats, hot flashes. His skin doesnt become softer, his fat distribution doesnt follow a feminine pattern.

Take a middle aged cis woman that is going through the menopause. Her feminine fat distribution changes into a general fat distribution. Female pattern baldness can emerge. The skin loses collagen, loses the soft smooth texture that defines high estrogen levels.

Whoever has told you that the absence of testoerone is sufficient for feminisation has lied to you

>>43273501
>Well most people don't think that so most people think you are wrong
Most people don't think trans women are women. Does that make them right? Idk what your point here is

>>43273780
Your welcome:)

>>43273991
It's not the same and a lot of people do think trans women are women but not barely any people think women should have to go in the draft because that's just literally insane

>>43261066
>But they just make them go to the draft?
its to stop regular guys just saying "nah i'm trans cant do it" over the phone. Trans girls are exempt but need to show up in person to like prove its legit and not just draft dodging.

>>43261059
Are you terf?
This comes across as so deeply hating men i can’t imagine you’re anything else

>>43274122
Srs should be the requirement. Or orchi, cuz srs expensive

>>43274278
Anon, thats a terf lol. Ignore them, everyone here just hides the comment

>>43274122
Well it's still scary probably for them it's not fair

>>43274278
They probably are because they just said trans women are disposable for war and they aren't it's not true

>>43261039
>Thailand doesn't have legal sex change. But in practice trans women are never treated like men.
They are banned from the military because they are trannies however. That's why they have to get the exemption. Turkey has this as well.

>>43275998
>>43275998
>>43275998

>>43276058
This is evil

>>43275948
>Turkey has this as well.

Turkey has more legal rights for trannys than UK.

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>>43273767
>Boob growth is genetic and individual. Progesterone before 36 months is unwise, as it limits growth, so the cases you are referring to are often those who misused Progesterone.
look at this actual fucking clown

>>43277305
Its true, wait for tanner stage 4 or progesterone causes problems.

Personal attacks reveal your agenda

>>43276660
>Turkey has more legal rights for trannys than UK.
I know. Legally you can change your gender in Turkey, but trans women they are still exempt from conscription in Turkey. Trans men are medically discharged.

>>43277321
you are pulling literally all of these statements out of your ass. they are utterly baseless, nobody in any of the DIY communities ive been in agrees with this, and im pretty sure you are actively harming other people with your stupid, baseless claims here.

>reach tanner stage 4
how? by what logic? why would you assume you need no progesterone for this given cis girls start producing progesterone a year or two into puberty? do you even understand why progesterone is important for growth beyond branching?

>>43277353
You are the one causing harm, telling tranners to have low E

>>43277464
you just keep saying things though. you dont actually justify anything, you just keep making claims without even so much as a basic justification for them and throw a tantrum when people question them.

>>43277812
You literally insulted me

>>43278006
and you are having a mental health episode over it rather than having a sensible conversation about medication like a normal person would

>>43261066
naah draft should be mandatory for both men and women

>>43278085
I have never once made an insult

I stated that higher levels of estrogen are necessary for mtfs, this is basic

>>43278209
No it shouldn't you are literally a crazy person sorry

>>43278243
no, you are literally making things up

>>43278253
there is no logical reason why it shouldn't

>>43277321
I was stage 3 by 8 months, when I started prog
I am in weird stage 4 limbo so there is that. But i have plenty of volume.
Unfortunately this isn't a science. Nobody cares how we looks enough to study it.

>>43278322
Nobody supports that you are crazy person!

>>43278209
Precious women should be exempt but trannies should be double drafted to the Big Kahuna front of the foreverwar.

>>43279222
You are evil don't say that stop it's fucked up and transgender women are precious too

>>43279281
Sorry pal, it's the Big Kahuna for you! At least you'll get to see some C-beams glitter in the dark.

>>43279433
What does that mean????????

>>43279447
It means you're disposable like all men, if women are gold and cis men are steel trannies are lead. Now get in the Moloch