>>43280508
>I've read so many accounts of trans people who talk about having always known they've always felt wrong in their body, that they somehow always identified or desired to be the other sex, or even just about feeling dysphoric since they were little, but I fail to wrap my head around how one could even know such a thing about themselves.
You can perceive your body, right? It's literally the same thing but with an added sense of wrongness.

>>43280542
I get that, but I what I don't understand is how one can know one's body feels wrong, if it's the only body one has ever inhabited.
I've no point of reference to be able to differentiate right from wrong. My body just is, and I never really payed it any mind cause I felt like it was pointless. Kinda like how there's no point in crying over spilled milk

>>43280508
>I've read so many accounts of trans people who talk about having always known they've always felt wrong in their body, that they somehow always identified or desired to be the other sex, or even just about feeling dysphoric since they were little, but I fail to wrap my head around how one could even know such a thing about themselves.
Can you at least understand them wanting/not wanting a certain trait/traits?

>>43280587
they don't know, it's just a feeling.
obviously they can't really know without having had a female body which is impossible.
you can only become a more and more accurate imitation of what you understand a woman to be from your genetically male perspective

Well, yeah, I can understand that. It would be pretty weird not to be able to.
What I don't understand, and I do feel quite retarded because of it, is how such a desire forms. I'm not trying to say "Why aren't you just satisfied with what you have?”, but much rather that even the concept of desiring any type of body is alien to me. To me, my body is just a vessel, and I'm glad it's functional and healthy, but I never understood how people actually identify with their body on emotional levels which I seemingly lack

>>43280780
Forgot to qoute >>43280703

>>43280780
People who thought they were another gender at an early age (and it isn't just a child pkaying pretend) are extremely rare. Most modern transpeople are influenced by trauma, porn/fetish, OCD, or a deep hatred of their gender due to emotional or physical abuse. If you were raised by a mother who hated men, felt men were all repulsive and the society around you seemed to echo that, you could very well start to hate your own body and believe transition was the only way out of feeling ongoing psychic pain, and conversely, feel more loved the more you looked like a woman.

>>43280780
>>43280786
Well, unfortunately I have no idea where that phenomenon comes from. To me it seems like half of all people identify with their bodies and half don't, but maybe I haven't asked enough people. Fees like being the other half would be more peaceful.

>>43280587
>Kinda like how there's no point in crying over spilled milk
Nonsense statement why tf wouldnt I cry over that? Milk is expensive & delicious & now I gotta clean up a mess instead of drinking yummy yummy milk
Idiot

>>43280825
Cissoids bend over backwards with insane theories trying to convince themselves trans people don't actually exist. Get a hobby.

>>43280780
sounds like dysphoria -> dissociation
but yeah i was a similar way my body was just my body but i wanted it to look a different way. and with hormones and surgery it looks and feels like how i wanted it to

>>43280876
>Fees like being the other half would be more peaceful
I often feel like that too, but I've always chalked it up to just baseless envy. I know one's happiness doesn't depend on what body one has

>>43280927
There's no point in crying over spilled because crying won't unspill it. That's at least the argument behind it, although I think your point is just as valid

>>43280508
I’m a cis dude and happy to be one- I actively like my body. I could imagine being a woman too though- seems like it could be a lot of fun. Never felt gender dysphoria firsthand, but I don’t see any reason to doubt its something trans people experience. They go to pretty extreme lengths to try and deal with it. Seems easier to just take trans people at their word about what their lived experiences are like.