Principles of Communism
Critique of the Gotha Programme
Value Price and Profit
The Communist Manifesto
The Jewish Question
Socialism scientific vs Utopian
State and Revolution

>>25204149
Ready Player One

the book of disquiet

>>25204149
the bible

GPT tier question, get with the times

>>25204154
>no capital

>>25204149
all available on marxists.org
>Bloch, The Principle of Hope
>Horkheimer, The Social Function of Philosophy
>Adorno and Horkheimer, The Culture Industry
>Benjamin, On the Concept of History

>>25204149
In current year? None.

Adorno
Bakunin
Debord
Gorky
Gramsci
Harvey
Keynes
Kropotkin
Lenin
Foucault
Popper
Rawls
Sartre

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>>25204320
>Keynes
>Foucault
>Popper
>Rawls

>>25204392
Whoop whoop

>>25204149
Poop.

>>25204149
google "how to tie a noose"

>>25204149
Hegel, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ilyenkov, Deng, Parenti, Hudson.

Forget about fucking losers like Adorno and Bordiga or Debord, they've accomplished nothing. Western leftists love to worship losers and hate on the ones who actually did something meaningful.

>>25204149
107 Days by Kamala Harris
What Happened by Hillary Clinton
A Promised Land by Barack Obama
Antisemitism in America: A Warning by Chuck Schumer
Becoming by Michelle Obama
How to be an Antiracist & Antiracist Baby by Ibram X Kendi

>>25204582

Mass murder qualifies one as not a loser and counts as meaningful, got it. At least the second term carries a note of "historically important", which is plainly true, but of course not in the unwarranted positive sense that you seem to have in mind.

>>25204149
The hidden hand

>>25204686
You are the raped. And when the West finally catches up to China and gets liberated, you won't get to enjoy freedom. You'll be raped, once again, you miserable disgusting faggot.

>>25204771
Mao was a class collaborationist. Look up what the stars on China's flag mean

>>25204149
It's literally all trash religious cultist bullshit.

>>25204582
>something meaningful.
Like destroying nations, killing tens of millions of workers? lmao

>>25204771
>brainwashed marxist calling others raped
lmao
also china isn't communist nor is attempting communism. You are mentally ill.

>>25204149
my diary desu

>>25204149
How to Be an Antiracist - Ibram X. Kendi
White Fragility - Robin DiAngelo
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition: DSM-5 - American Psychiatric Association

>>25204149
Are there any books out there for a layman not steeped in Marxist theory that discusses the implication of catering entire economies to the wealthy like we're seeing now, especially with artificial intelligence? If my history is correct, then I think the last time this occurred was in the nineteenth century, and it led to colonialism. But now that there aren't any untapped markets left to exploit thanks to globalization, will it just be a race to the bottom on a massive scale to squeeze as much wealth as possible out of the masses?

>>25205055
All these classes which collaborated with the proletariat were ultimately acting under pressure to serve proletarian interests, you fucking retard. Which is pretty much what Marx and Engels suggested when they wrote that peasants and pauperised petty bourgeois could join forces with the proletariat. You’re a retard cuckold.
>>25205597
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Deng, Xi etc. all modernised backwards nations and doing so, saved billions of people.
>china isn't communist nor is attempting communism
You lying faggot, every single five-year-plan is conducted for a final aim: socialist modernisation which is the term the CCP uses to describe higher phase communism. Kill yourself, leftcom tranny.

>>25206237
So when is the Chinese state planning to abolish itself?
Because it just keeps on getting bigger, more intrusive and more repressive.

>>25206237
>famine is modernisation, and saves billions of people

>>25206237
China will NEVER stop being authoritarian.

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>>25206237
found the delusional tankie cultist lol

>lenin
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWWqhsh848E
>Stalin
His entire nation industrialized due to insane levels of capitalist investment. Western capitalists basically built the entire USSR's economy Read Sutton's work on this.
Also stalin wasn't necessary for soviet development, in fact he hindered it.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w19425
>mao
literally killed tens of millions of people in failed central planning experiments
I know you probably think it's heckin based to be forced onto shitty inefficient collective farms at the point of a gun and forcefully starved but this is what happened.
>Deng
Moved away from socialism and towards capitalism. That's the reason China industrialized. They aren't going back to socialism.
>Xi
Retard that is moving away from the policies that made china rise. The country is experiencing a decline thanks to him.

>higher phase communism.
lmao meaningless marxist gobbledygook.

You people are mentally ill religious cultists.

>>25206478
>So when is the Chinese state planning to abolish itself?
This shit is so fucking funny lmao.
Marxists will cope by redefining what a state means and pretending it always meant that.

>>25206529
>>25206237
Not to mention the fact there were countless market economies that went from third world to first world, much faster than communist ones and with less bloodshed.
Marxist countries only industrialize when they get help from capitalists or switch to capitalism themselves.
China, USSR and Vietnam are perfect examples.

I don't know how tankies can see modern Vietnam and not immediately want to kill themselves, as it's a direct refutation of their beliefs.

>>25206237
Killing the SSparrowSS were necessary to achieve communism. Class collaboration is awesome when it's red. Grass is blue.

>>25204149
Economics:
1. The Elgar Companion to Marxist Economics
2. Marx - Das Kapital
3. Lenin - Imperialism
4. Nkrumah - Neo-Colonialism
5. Baran & Sweezy - Monopoly Capital
6. Emmanuel, Arghiri - Unequal exchange: A study of the imperialism of trade
7. Paul Cockshott - Towards a New Socialism
8. Keynes - The General Theory (Keynes wasn't a socialist, but trying to understand any discussion in post-1945 Economics without reading him is a fool's errand).

Politics:

The absolute first thing you should read, before the following is G.D.H. Cole's "A History of Socialist Thought". It's an absolute masterwork, detailing every new ideological and philosophical development in Socialist theory from the French Revolution, until the collapse of the Comintern, and it provides a shitload of historical context that you won't easily find anywhere else. Beyond that:

1. Karl Marx - The Political Writings (Three Volume set, contains everything important by him.
2. Lenin - Essential Works (The Most important ones are 'The State and Revolution', and 'What Is To Be Done?')
3. Mao - Five Essays on Philosophy & Five Golden Rays
4. Fanon - The Wretched of the Earth
5. Federici - Caliban and the Witch
6. Huey Newton - Revolutionary Suicide
7. Sophie Lewis - Abolish the Family
8. J. Joseph Finkle - Screw Consent (The single greatest breakdown of the role of consent in sexual-politics that I've ever read).
9. Antifa: The Antifascist Handbook
10. Gramsci - The Prison Notebooks

>>25204149
Read anything from Pierre-Joseph Proundhon
Read anything from Peter Kropotkin
Read anything from Mikhail Bakunin
Read anything from Emma Goldman
Read anything from David Graeber
Read anything on Libcom
Read anything on the Anarchist Library
Marx and other Authoritarian-Communists aren't worth reading. They're just State-Capitalists and their ideas lead to worker exploitation just like with capitalism.

>>25206803
I read The Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin to see what he was all about and it was so dogshit it permanently altered my perception of anarchists

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>>25206803
Why do people waste their time reading this pseudoscientific garbage?

>>25206829
>Kropotkin
Kropotkin's work seems like a child wrote it.
It's so economically illiterate and wrong about basically everything.

>>25206829
>I read The Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin to see what he was all about and it was so dogshit it permanently altered my perception of anarchists
I read IT by Stephen King to see what he was all about and it was so dogshit it permanently altered my perception of all horror fans.

>>25206861
anarcho-capitalists are all willing slaves to capitalists or capitalist demons in human form.
either way, all anarcho-capitalists are sub-human.

>>25206889
I'm not an Ancap, I'm a Libertarian leaning Liberal.

>willing slaves to capitalists
Not really. They support polycentric law and believe private property rights can be enforced by private law. Elements of this have existed in the past.

>all anarcho-capitalists are sub-human.
Even the most intelligent socialist is more retarded than them.
Socialists are statist bootlickers.

>>25206931
>They support polycentric law and believe private property rights can be enforced by private law. Elements of this have existed in the past.
In feudal fiefdoms, medieval principalities, and ig Dubai and the US rn... shining examples of worker exploitation, slavery, severe wealth disparities, and strict class structures bordering on or outright being caste systems where only the capitalist top ~1% have real freedom.
Amazing system if you want only the most selfish and abusive ppl to be comfortable.

>>25204169
NT was. OT on the other hand was pretty hardcore. Yeah god would flood the planet and do some shit but would always have humans backs. Jesus was the pot smoking kid but god would always keep an eye on humans protecting them from the nephilim and vampires. Jesus didn't burn local but god did.

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>>25206964
>In feudal fiefdoms, medieval principalities, and ig Dubai
that's not even close to what I was talking about, but nice try

Examples of Ancap and semi-ancap stateless societies:
French Acadia
Many areas of the American Midwest during 1800s.
Cospaia 400 years
Free Frisia 700 years
Neutral Moresnet 100 years
Ancient Ireland 2000 years
Medieval Iceland 400 years

>Amazing system if you want only the most selfish and abusive ppl to be comfortable.
Take Acadia for example. It was wealthier and more peaceful than the rest of new France despite having basically no state and full private property rights

>>25206861
You cannot be grouping Marx into the same group as the guy who wrote a narrative novel about nothing and tried to pass it off as theory

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>>25206227
Capital in the Twenty First Century is actually a great one in this regard. The focus of the book is on the implications of an economy where the rate of return on capital is higher than the rate of economic growth, that is to say, a situation where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's well written and uses real world examples, like the case of Ivy League Universities becoming money managers of their endowment and slowly being converted into hedge funds rather than institutions of education. Highly recommend.

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>>25207452
I took your post as meaning you wanted recommendations for a layman not steeped in Marx. If you meant a book from an author not steeped in Marxism, I would recommend The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith. He actually spends a fair bit of that book detailing how wealthy people use their power to manipulate the system and the market to their own benefit. Here are some excerpts:

The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufactures, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens. The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.

Our merchants and masters complain much of the bad effects of high wages in raising the price and lessening the sale of goods. They say nothing concerning the bad effects of high profits. They are silent with regard to the pernicious effects of their own gains. They complain only of those of other people.

People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.

The rent of land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give.

>>25206237
you are no leftist, chud tankie

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>>25206237
The Meiji-Restoration saved billions also I presume
>>25206767
The list provided on economics is too unfocused, and the one for politics a joke. Total neglect of the philosophical here, though I suspect that’s due to the vehemently anti-Hegelian influence of Cockshott. No Eighteenth Brumaire - yet the ‘Antifascist’ handbook and Federici? You’d get more about the skullduggery of politics from Weber or Orwells travelogue of Spain.
>>25207017
>Paris Commune
>Ancient Ireland
Psychobabble

>>25207452
Many things in this book have been debunked. Piketty is a terrible statistician.

>>25207474
lmao all leftists are fucking tankies
imagine thinking you're any better than them you commie subhuman
>>25207543
>Psychobabble
Literally all leftist thought is psychobabble.
You people are in a cult.

>>25206478
The State doesn’t abolish itself, you fucking tranny retard. It withers away. Only retarded anarcho-trannies think communism is about ‘abolition’ in a purely negative sense when Marx and Engels both distinguish abolition and sublation in their writings in German. This distinction is inherited from Hegel’s logic as sublation/Aufhebung also implies a preservation of some sort.
>>25206480
Mao and Stalin literally ended cycles of famine which occurred for centuries. They also doubled the life expectancy of their population. You’re a CIA Epsteinite goyslave whose mind been raped repeatedly.
>>25206529
>Sutton
HAHAHAHA YOU FUCKING RETARD
Sutton selectively quoted many important documents out of context, like a report from then-U.S. Ambassador to Russia David Francis which was based entirely on unverified rumors. He deliberately confused post-war aid deliveries like those of the American Relief Administration after 1920 with financing of the Bolsheviks during the civil war. The most infamous allegation among Tsarists and right-wingers who claim Wall Street financed the Bolsheviks, is that they were supported by a banker named Jacob Schiff. However, cables and letters between Schiff and U.S. government officials disprove this theory and show that he not only opposed the Bolsheviks but supported the White Army. Sutton had deliberately misquoted files from the U.S. State Department out of context in order to flip Schiff’s position regarding the Bolshevik Revolution on its head. He’s a liar.
The rest is pure CIA goy cuckslave propaganda. However, I’ll address this:
>Deng moved away from socialism and towards capitalism.
Per Marx in his Critique of the Gotha Program, the lower phase of communist society still bears, in every aspect, the birthmark of the capitalist society. Deng used the residual capitalistic elements to serve the interests of the people. That’s how China lifted 800 MILLIONS people out of poverty. Meanwhile, your Western countries are getting poorer while your capitalist overlords get away with raping infants. Thats what you’re defending Epsteinite cuckslave.
>Xi Retard that is moving away from the policies that made china rise. The country is experiencing a decline thanks to him.
lmao you compulsive liar, China has never been more powerful. Even the orange retard couldn’t impose tariffs on them, he cucked out like a little bitch.

Is that all you’ve got? CIA propaganda and blatant lies? Did you just post that long ass reply to defend to rich pedophiles who rule over you? Jill yourself, dawg.
>>25206536
Vietnam’s economy is controlled by the State, retard. Like China’s. Those reforms opening up the markets were in both cases purely pragmatic and implemented within numerous strategic five-year-plans. Vietnam executes its corrupt millionaires while you work for them and they get to rape your children. You are cattle. Bow down, goy

>>25204582
debord is cool, comrade

>>25207465
damn adam smith was a marxist?

>>25207624
A lot of Marx's most famous criticisms of Capitalism were already stated by Smith.

>>25207653
so smith is a marxist, just as marx is a proponent of democracy and a critic of socialism.

>>25207611
>words words words
China is capitalist doe

>>25207611
Found the mentally ill extremely angry tankie bootlicker that will never accomplish anything politically lmao
You're critiquing like one source of Sutton when he actually had a wide variety of verified sources.
Also I was mainly talking about his 3 book academic series on soviet economic development and capitalist investment into the ussr. Not his books he made for the layman.
Your argument mixes Sutton’s 1917–21 “Wall Street” book with his 1930s tech-transfer work, then asserts a Schiff “gotcha” that’s backwards. In Sutton’s own text, he says the Schiff/Kamenka cables refute the claim of a Jewish banker conspiracy behind Bolshevism and says Schiff was unhappy about the Bolsheviks and even drew U.S. State Department attention to pleas for Allied intervention against them. Independent scholarship likewise describes Schiff as anti-communist and not a Bolshevik financier.
On Francis: yes, FRUS shows Francis reporting “rumors current” and even saying he “attaches little importance” because many rumors prove unfounded. That means a careful historian shouldn’t treat those rumor lines as decisive proof—but it doesn’t prove Sutton “lied” unless you show a specific quote where he removed the caveat and built a major conclusion on it.
On ARA: the ARA Russia operation is famine relief formalized by agreement in August 1921, and the U.S. State Department prints the agreement. That’s not “financing the Bolsheviks during the civil war.” If you claim Sutton conflated them, quote the exact passage.

>CIA goy cuckslave propaganda
You people think any source of data that isn't from a compulsively lying murderous dictatorship is muh CIA.
lmao religious cultist

>Deng used the residual capitalistic elements to serve the interests of the people.
lmao I love this cope. So they need to temporarily use capitalism because it actually works and doesn't completely fail like central planning does?
>That’s how China lifted 800 MILLIONS people out of poverty.
Yes by using CAPITALISM. None of this happened under they abandoned maoist central planning. Other countries that implement capitalism end up with mass poverty alleviation too.
>your Western countries are getting poorer
lmao really?
Why do workers in Taiwan make almost 4x what workers in China make? It seems that communism is hindering their development.

>>25207611
>capitalist overlords get away with raping infants.
Your statist overlords, mao and stalin were literal child rapists LMFAO
Why do you bootlickers even exist? HAHAHAHA You want the state to completely control your life and make all of your decisions. You'd let them hook you up to the matrix if the vanguard party wanted.
>you compulsive liar,
You're a communist, look in the mirror.
>China has never been more powerful
They were more economically productive before xi. Now they have decline. It's almost as if central planning doesnt work.
>CIA propaganda
You are in a religious cult.
>defend to rich pedophiles
You support extremely rich dictators.
>Vietnam’s economy is controlled by the State
lmfao they've constantly liberalized over the past 35 years and that's the reason they've grown so much.
They keep shrinking the state side of their economy every year.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>pragmatic
absolutely love this fucking cope HAHAHAHAHA

>>25207611
>The State doesn’t abolish itself, you fucking tranny retard. It withers away.
lmao what the fuck is the difference?
Also how the fuck is an all powerful totalitarian state going to magically wither away?

Imagine unironically believing something like this and at the same time claiming to have a functioning brain?
Communists should just kill themselves immidiately.

>also implies a preservation of some sort.
So the state WON'T wither away?
Make up your mind.

>>25207611
>Mao and Stalin literally ended cycles of famine which occurred for centuries.
Industrialization in general did that.
Why did countries that implemented economic liberalism grow without mass famine and authoritarianism while communist ones had the largest famines in history?

It's almost as if you force people onto inefficient collective farms, steal their food and shoot them if they try to leave, THEY STARVE!
I mean DUH!
>They also doubled the life expectancy of their population.
Learn what selection bias is.
https://praxben.substack.com/p/brief-comments-on-chinese-life-expectancy


All communists are pussies and manchildren btw

>>25207624
>>25207653
>>25207662
both smith and marx were retards that believed in the labor theory of value, which was later replaced by marginalism because it made much more sense and had much more explanatory power.
The austrians were correct, as always.

>>25206237
>You lying faggot, every single five-year-plan is conducted for a final aim: socialist modernisation which is the term the CCP uses to describe higher phase communism.
>we will achieve TRUE COMMUNISM™ IN TWO MORE WEEKS!

>>25207611
>Deng used the residual capitalistic elements to serve the interests of the people.
Wait what? I thought mao worked hard to get rid of those elements? I thought they were bad.
Now you say they are good and can be used to help the people?
Why not use socialist elements to help the people?

Do you have any idea what you're even talking about or is this just cope?

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>this entire thread

>>25207689
sure
feel free to explicate the marginal value of your post

>>25207698
nice self portait

>>25207745
>NO U!
that drawing must have hit close to home for you tankioid

>>25207752
ok, pigface.

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>>25207754
lol

>>25207762
nice meme folder, pigface.
im sure youre very tall and fit and get all the girls, right?

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>>25207762
this you?

The Bible

>>25207784
only the good parts

My diary desu
(I am antonio gramsci)

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>>25207769
Nope.
Trump's a communist retard like yourself lol

>>25207767
Actually I'm a trans woman :)
I posted the commie hon because all communist trans women simply do not pass.
Here's a picture of essentially every cuckold communist pigdog.

>>25207767
communists and nazis are both incel losers
when you have an ideology based around exploiting and enslaving others, you're gonna be an incel

>>25207866
>>25207860
ok lit friends
you gonna let this level of unread idiocy on your board?

>>25204320
good list but
>No Giorgio Agamben

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>>25205597
People who post things like, the Chinese are going to come rape you, etc. etc. reminds me of the poem "Waiting for the Barbarians" by Cavafy.

Also it gets funnier when you see a lot of Chinese posting online in English being Sinotriumph maxxers but Chinese posting online in Chinese are going into full civilizational self-annihilationism and are like "Xi has ruined everything, our economy is totally messed up, the fucking Great Leap Forward had better net return on labor than this." Their debt to GDP ratio has skyrocketed past the U.S. and E.U. btw.

>>25207987
nice

>>25207666
Your skull will be opened and its rotten content will feed dogs.
>>25207678
>You're critiquing like one source of Sutton when he actually had a wide variety of verified sources.
The wide variety of 'verified sources' does not confirm what you say, that's Sutton's problem, retard : selective quotation, interpretive overreach, and the systematic removal of hedging language from primary sources. The documents exist. The leap from "this document records a financial transaction" to "Wall Street conspiratorially engineered the Bolshevik Revolution" is not in the documents, it is Sutton's inference and it is a sign that this retard wasn't serious about his methodology. The Hoover Institution which published the trilogy notably distanced itself from his conclusions even while treating the data compilation as useful. Now let's address:
>Academic Trilogy Specifically
First, normal commercial trade is not a conspiracy nor a sign of deficiency from a communist standpoint. Sutton catalogs technology transfers but cannot establish that they were coordinated, ideologically motivated or that the parties intended to sustain Soviet power rather than simply profit from contracts. Merely listing transactions proves nothing, retard.
Second, the causal claim is undemonstrated. Sutton's underlying thesis is that Western technology was decisive to Soviet industrial survival and development. But the Soviet Union also received substantial technology transfer from Weimar Germany under the Rapallo Treaty (1922) and subsequent arrangements, far better documented, including the secret military-industrial cooperation at Lipetsk, Kazan, and Tomka. Sutton systematically underweights this alternative channel. His counterfactual claim that without Western capitalism the Soviet state would have collapsed is simply asserted.
Third, he cannot distinguish categories. The trilogy collapses together government-approved commercial trade, private business deals, humanitarian relief, contracts signed etc. BEFORE the Revolution and Lend-Lease-era transfers. These have entirely different political and contextual meanings and cannot be bundled into a single explanatory framework.
>You people think any source of data that isn't from a compulsively lying murderous dictatorship is muh CIA.
But you are actually repeating lies spread by the CIA and debunked by actually documented sources, you goy cattle slave.
>lmao I love this cope. So they need to temporarily use capitalism because it actually works and doesn't completely fail like central planning does?
Hey, retard, the economy is still entirely centrally planned. Hell Capitalism itself is centrally planned today, you fucking retard. You think an entire nation like the US doesn't work with plans and budgeted previsions which are decided by the Federal State?
>Why do workers in Taiwan make almost 4x what workers in China make? It seems that communism is hindering their development.
Taiwan is China, retard.

>>25207679
>Your statist overlords, mao and stalin were literal child rapists LMFAO
These are baseless claims which rely on no historical evidence. The only sources are tabloids and the biography of one of Mao's bodyguards which was published by a Western editor and refuted by many people who knew Mao himself. Another example of Khruschvite-CIA propaganda.
>You're a communist, look in the mirror.
You literally claimed that Xi's policy lead to China's decline when its rise has been unstoppable, especially since 2020. Sit tight in your cuck chair, cuckboy
>They were more economically productive before xi. Now they have decline. It's almost as if central planning doesnt work.
Meaningless statement lmao China has accomplished 90% of its 5-year-plans while you bitches pay taxes so Trump can send money to Israel and subsidize the bankers who will put you in debt and rape your children.
>You are in a religious cult.
No, the only idolatrous fuck is you. You worship transsexual pornography and hot pockets your whore mother makes for you.
>You support extremely rich dictators.
MUH DICTATORS
You sound like the most castrated liberal ever. Did you take your hormones today, tranny?
>They keep shrinking the state side of their economy every year.
You keep lying as if Vietnam's 5 year plans weren't openly available on the internet for everyone to see that I'm telling the truth and that you're a lying cuckold who's being raped by the Epstein class.
>>25207682
>what the fuck is the difference?
Yeah, I knew a cuckold retard tranny like you couldn't grasp the difference, even though I've explained what it means.
>So the state WON'T wither away?
No, retard, that means that the sublation of the State implies its persistence during the transitional period. Once it withers away, its form will be purely social and not institutional. The people will be the State.
>Industrialization in general did that.
Yeah, that's the point, retard. Mao and Stalin turned backwards feudal states into industrial superpowers. You're conceding my point, you gigantic cretinous subhuman.
>It's almost as if you force people onto inefficient collective farms,
The collective farms were so useful they helped double life expectancy. Try harder, goyslave.
>PRAXBEN
AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
That cuckold got raped in his debate against Haz.
>>25207692
>I thought mao worked hard to get rid of those elements? I thought they were bad.
That's a nice straw man. I think you should kill yourself. Stop your hormones, tranny. End it all. Become another statistics.
>>25207698
You've been samefagging for like five posts now. You're absolutely destroyed.
>>25207860
>Actually I'm a trans woman :)
HE'S ACTUALLY TRANS HAHAHAHA YOU'RE DONE

>>25208060
>>25208079
boring

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The Unique and its Property

>>25207689
The Austrians were disastrously incorrect. Literally every single government that adopts any level of austerity policies immediately makes their economic situation much worse. Sorry anon, Keynes won as evidenced by the fact that literally every successful economy in the world is, by and large, Keynesian.

>>25207662
Huh? Smith came before Marx, and Marx built, explicitly, on Smith. Adam Smith is by far the most referenced source in Das Kapital.

>>25206803
This guy spams every Marx thread with this anarchist bullshit.

>>25208495
yes, proving the point that Smith is a Marxist.

everybody always says, read the phenomenology of spirit. i just wanted to read the friendomenology of spirit.

>>25208645
be my friendonmologist plox

>>25208705
i'd love to but you know how it is over text, dealing with signs. so easy to misinterpret things. to misunderstand.

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The core of leftism is:
- Hatred of white people
- Worship of minorities
- Lying about and censoring science
- Denial of personal responsibility and justifying criminality
Essential leftist literature is
> Free Will by Sam Harris
> Mismeasure of Man by Gould
> White Fragility by Robin D'Angelo
> How to Be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi
> Situation in Biological Science by Lysenko
> Dear White America: Letter to a New Minority by Tim Wise
> People's History of United States by Howard Zinn

>>25208732
you are an idiot.
not worth talking to.
dumb ass cunt mother fucker

>>25208734
Denying any of these core precepts of leftism that I named will send leftists into murderous rage. Meanwhile, you can safely disagree with any of the other subjects about which books were posted ITT, and still be accepted into the leftist circles and even be considered leftist.
As such, the points I named, namely
- Hatred of white people
- Worship of minorities
- Lying about and censoring science
- Denial of personal responsibility and justifying criminality

form the core of leftism. They are the sacred precepts from which one must not deviate. I invite you to prove me wrong but you won't.

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>>25208732
Forgot another one:
>His Name Is George Floyd by Robert Samuels and Toluse Olorunnipa

>>25208732
the maga core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9DNx7xIIc

>>25208737
le prove you wrong

the core precepts of maga rightism is:
pedophilia
child rape
fake sun tans
plastic surgery
piss tapes
market manipulation for the oligarchs
pretending history doesnt exist
pretending science doesnt exist
denial of accountability for trump and epstein

i invite you to prove me wrong but you CANT.

LOSER

>>25208749
you are so fucking stuoid and likely a bot

"you posted a trump propaganda video"
clearly 4chan is overrun by bots
nothing you said is real
fuck off bot fucker

>>25208748
Why are you talking about MAGA? I am not maga

>>25208759
ok right adjacent bot

>>25208769
You hate white people and worship minorities.

>>25208787
ok meme bot

>>25206237
China is actually fascist (based)

>>25204645
>Antiracist Baby
Came here for this

>>25208879
>Anti-Christ Bb

>>25208079
>>25208060
Jesus christ imagine actually being this person.
Imagine hating every second of your life and being a fucking LOSER LMAO

>>25207894
>unread idiocy
Look in the mirror.
/lit/ mogs communist retards regularly.

>>25208060
>Your skull will be opened and its rotten content will feed dogs.
impotent rage of the tankie manchild
If anything, you people will be drowned in the public square.

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>>25204149

>>25208143
>>25209027
You lost, Tranny scum.
>>25209032
We've already won. You goyslaves will work for public interests. You will learn to be humans.

>>25209063
>You lost, Tranny scum.
We won.
How does it feel that the vast majority of your comrades hate your guts and want you dead? lmao
>You will learn to be humans.
You're literally a barbarian and support exploitation, enslavement and mass death.
It's blatantly obvious why the majority of people want you to die.

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>>25208079
>>25208060
>>25207679
>>25207678
>>25207611
DIDN'T READ LMAO

imagine being named nigel
couldn't be me lol

>>25208060
HAHAHA I'm always in awe whenever I come across a tankie. It's always the most determined schizophrenic nonsense.
>all of the sutton slander and bad faith shit
You likely used AI to come up with most of that since the wording sounds unlike your other replies, It's too big of an argument to have right now and I have a life, unlike you, so I'll post what my LLM came back with of how you were wrong and retarded. Read it if you want, idk.
Also I will say this,
>The Hoover Institution which published the trilogy notably distanced itself from his conclusions
LOL Are you seriously referring to the boilerplate legal disclaimer that most organizations use and pretending they disavowed his views? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>But you are actually repeating lies spread by the CIA and debunked by actually documented sources
Prove it then.
Everyone knows you retards just claim any source that isn't a cuckold dictatorship is from the CIA lmao
>the economy is still entirely centrally planned
No it isn't. They allow for currency, price signals, wage labor, debt etc. A total central planned system would be akin to north korea.

>Hell Capitalism itself is centrally planned today
Just because we have some state intervention doesn't make it totally centrally planned you fucking retard.
>You think an entire nation like the US doesn't work with plans and budgeted previsions which are decided by the Federal State?
Holy fuck kek. Imagine missing the point this bad.
Central planning vs a market economy isn't a binary. A country can have more of one or the other. It's just that the market economy clearly works far better than socialist central planning and it seems communists over the past 50 years have learned this.
Except north korea which you also support lmao
Why does total central planning fail so hard?

>Taiwan is China
No it isn't. You lost. :)

>>25208079
>The only sources are tabloids
>IT'S FAKE BECAUSE IT IS OKAY??!?!
https://spectator.com/article/mao-s-girl-and-me/

Imagine unironically supporting a pedophile who would have forced you onto an inefficient collective farms, stole all of your grain and shot you if you tried to leave.
You literally support this.
You're the world's biggest cuckold.

>when its rise has been unstoppable, especially since 2020.
Massive property bubbles, endless debt, tofu dreg projects, ghost cities, mass youth unemployment, low wages compained to taiwan?
lol

> 90% of its 5-year-plans
Pretty easy to do that when you control all of the statistics and can warp it any way you want and there are no third party auditors to call you out. You fucking retard.
China's economy is failing under Xi. The people in china know it.

>You worship transsexual pornography
u mad?
>You sound like the most castrated liberal ever.
LMAO you brainwashed yourself to SUPPORT your own enslavement.
If a communist dictator told you the vanguard needed your liver for the public good, you'd gladly do it and suck their dick too. You absolute cuckold.
>You keep lying
Really?
https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/decline-state-owned-enterprises-vietnam.html/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340464736_Asian_Development_Bank_Institute_Working_Paper_Series_STATE-OWNED_ENTERPRISE_REFORM_IN_VIET_NAM_PROGRESS_AND_CHALLENGES

>>25208079
>I knew a cuckold retard tranny like you couldn't grasp the difference,
You're a pseud. High on marxist word salad that doesn't mean anything real.
>sublation
Why can't you cultists speak in actual terms instead of hegelian nonsense?
What happens practically?
>Once it withers away
TWO MORE WEEKS
>its form will be purely social and not institutional. The people will be the State.
LMAO What the fuck does that even mean? You people just repeat this cultspeak without actually understanding any of it.
How exactly would this work practically? Would money still exist? What about contract enforcement? What happens when two people have a dispute?
You obviously wouldn't have a post scarcity society since it's impossible, so would there be 5 year plans?
The state will never go away under communism because communists are cuckolds addicted to living under the slavery of statism.

>Mao and Stalin turned backwards feudal states into industrial superpowers.
They didn't lol. First off, third world countries that switch to economic liberalism end up industrializing faster than these commie shitholes did.
Russia was already quite developed before the ussr came along. Stalin only increased economic growth because he got a bunch of technical help and investment from the west.
Stalin if anything hindered economic growth.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w19425
You can cry about studies like this all you want, but you people never provide any rebuttals so lol lmao even
Mao completely impovershed china. Workers were poorer during the peak of mao's era than they were before the chinese civil war. It was Deng and his embrace of economic liberalism that resulted in massive economic growth.
It's hilarious how you communists need to cling to capitalism to survive. It makes you fucking seethe lol
China is so bad today that workers in Taiwan(a country) make roughly 4x what workers in china make kek

>The collective farms were so useful they helped double life expectancy.
lmao then why did millions of people starve to death?
It's almost as if Lysenkoism is fucking retarded, just like you.
The life expectancy increases generally happened after the famine due to selection bias. When you kill the weak and old, the people who are left are the ones who are going to live longer.
Also, off topic a bit, but the collective farms in the ussr were so incredibly inefficient that most of the food produced in the ussr came from the tiny amount of private plots that weren't collectivized.

>>25208079
>HAZ
LMFAO The guy is basically a meat brained flat earther. He's so incredibly retarded.
Ben absolutely bodied him. Every marxist that debates with him simply loses.
The cope is fucking unreal. Haz unironically believes in lysenkoism. I bet you do too.
What's it like being in a religious cult.

>That's a nice straw man.
How exactly? I thought mao tried abolishing things like wage labor, trade, capitalism and money? Wouldn't bringing those things back be a "sin" or whatever to you people?

>Stop your hormones, tranny.
It's hilarious that I am actually happy and you are a bitter basement dwelling incel lol

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>>25208060
reply to sutton slander

>>25208602
Marx is actually a Smithian

>>25208732
The Americans are not sending their best lol

>>25208494
>Literally every single government that adopts any level of austerity policies immediately makes their economic situation much worse.
New Zealand, Estonia, Poland, Vietnam, Ireland, Iceland.
You were saying?

>immediately makes their economic situation much worse
Immediately yes, it takes time for the economy to restructure itself, but when it does, growth skyrockets usually.

>Keynes won
Imagine wanting your wages and savings to be devalued to dust.

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>>25204149
I got these are they any good?

>>25209166
Smith isn’t a transformative writer trying to create something new. Marx is influenced by Smith as he is influenced by others as well.

Marx isn’t a Platonist, Aristotlean, Democritean, etc

>>25209166
smith is a marxian

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>>25208060
>>25208079
Both of your heros stalin and beria were child rapists who committed waaaaay worse crimes than epstein so I don't get where this projection comes from

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>>25206767
>screw consent

>>25209187
Smith was trying to formalize the structure and process of the accumulation of wealth of nations (along with the moral structure which is paired with this process). He was extremely influential in his time, though I'm not sure what criteria you hold for "transformative". Also, I would say Marx is Smithian due to the fact that, as I mentioned earlier, Smith is out and away the highest referenced writer in Marx's own work, coupled with the fact that the core of Marx's work is entirely based in Smith. Marx could not exist if Smith had not laid the groundwork.

>>25209188
Marx is a Smithist.

>>25204149
I'd like to add "The Autobiography of Malcom X" to the leftist list

>>25209195
Lame picture. Lame post.
Schizo capitalist or NSA zionist?

>>25208732
>Harris
Not leftist
Are you a genuine phrenologist, anon? Do you also believe in bleeding by leeches?

>>25206237
>socialist modernisation which is the term the CCP uses to describe higher phase communism
just two more weeks bro

>>25209187
>Democritean
I'd argue he is if we're going by the history of ideas. I've written about this.

>>25209169
Much better than yours. Its esoteric, you wouldn't get it.

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>>25209177
Bro references this as a point in favor of austerity lol

>>25209177
Savings should be devalued. Either spend them or invest them in something productive. Just accumulating money is literally hoarding value and making it inert, damaging the economy.

In real inflation, wages would rise with the cost of everything else, since an employer would have to pay more of a devalued currency for the same labor of his workers. If wages are falling behind inflation, it means power is being leveraged to force workers to accept less money, which is a problem of corruption and control by Capital over the state, and not a result of Keynesian policy.

>>25209380
>unironically apologizing for beria and endless child rape
Why does society permit you subhumans to exist?
Like, there is no reason for you to live whatsoever.

>>25209458
>free markets is when central planning
Whoa!
I don't know why I need to explain to you that this wasn't the era I was referencing.

>>25209422
>higher phase communism
It's bonkers that commies can unironically say made up terms like this and think they're making any sense at all. Like imagine your brain had high literary capability but absolutely zero critical thinking skills. That's every communist.

>>25208748
Except those literally aren't accepted by any significant fraction of the maga base while the things that anon listed literally are passionately and almost religiously defended by the majority of leftists. I've noticed no one itt has even denied it either

>>25209485
You literally said "Vietnam" referring to austerity policies. So either state the actual time frame you meant or take the L.

>>25207618
Not at all. Suicidal dorks are cringe.

>>25204320
>Bakunin and Lenin, plus a whole bunch of liberals
Embarrassing. Also, insulting to Keynes to compare him to those retards.

>>25204154
>>25204296
These, plus:
>Rousseau
>Hegel
>Proudhon
There you go. Done.

Then, read Sorel and Pareto when you're ready to stop being wrong about everything.

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>>25206237
Deng and Xi weren't leftoids. Deng was a neoliberal (necessary for China at the time). Xi is a based National-Socialist.

>>25207662
Smith created Labour Theory of Value. Marx based his entire theory of world history on the Labour Theory of Value. Labour Theory of Value was debunked in the late 19th/early 20th century thereby debunking Marxism (the only remotely interesting form of leftism).

>>25209350
Only if you're black. He's not really a leftist, just a black nationalist. Right-wing really and then he became an universalist Islamist later in life.

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>>25209132
>Nigeposting in current year plus 11
Why?

>>25209574
>referring to austerity policies.
Nah I was talking about economic liberal reforms and privatization in general.

>>25209481
>oy vey! Stop defending guy you didn't even say anything about.
May a Georgian shoot you in the eye

>>25209715
Then
>>Literally every single government that adopts any level of austerity policies immediately makes their economic situation much worse.
>New Zealand, Estonia, Poland, Vietnam, Ireland, Iceland.
>You were saying?

Now
>>referring to austerity policies.
>Nah I was talking about economic liberal reforms and privatization in general.

I'm guessing you're either a troll or a mental deficient, either way, you are polluting up this board.

>>25209734
>you can't make fun of my pedophile hero beria, you just can't
yikes

>>25209752
meant to say economic liberal policies instead of austerity because you claimed austrian economics policies are a failure.

A socialist state cutting back because their retarded policies don't work isn't what people typically refer to as "austerity".
Either way it was the market reforms that saved vietnam
I hope they eventually shake off their marxist state(it's dangling by a thread, they don't even believe that shit lol).

>>25209773
YOU brought up Vietnam. Now you are backpedaling. Comical.

I don't understand why people come on here and make a fuss about, e.g. Marx, when they could just read these books and realize that the complaints and observations laid out therein are the same problems we are experiencing today. Why defend the current system that doesn't care about you at all? It doesn't make sense.

>>25209308
yes, but given that these principles are more widely recognized as marxist it is more intellectually useful and honest to have marxism at the foundation of american democratic and economic thought

>>25209605
sorry i cant hear you. who debunked what again?

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>>25204149
Zhou Libo’s the Guest

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14672715.1976.10404404

The “guest” of the title is a soon to be bride being set up in an arranged marriage by her parents for material gain. Neither she nor the suitor want one another so in a Morissette level twist of irony she and the other boy each use devotion to their communist youth league and devoting their time to that instead of marriage as an excuse out of the bad pairing. This was a cute story with nice moral message from the Maoist era.

>>25209380
>>Harris
>Not leftist
Maybe not a self proclaimed leftist (mainly because he's a zionist and zionists today feel threatened by the left), but he adheres to some of the core principles of leftism, namely:
- Hatred of white people
- Lying about and censoring science
- Denial of personal responsibility and justifying criminality

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>>25210449
Some FAGGOT PUTS ON A DRESS and suddenly SUDDENY he’s SNOW GODDAMN WHITE???? THATS what demon crate literally BEIEE! BEOIEV BELIEVE

SOME dude puts on a dress and suddenly he’s a fairy princess! What is wrong with you trannies!!!!

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>>25208744
>>25209169
You seethe but you have no counterargument. You know these are the core precepts of leftism because denying any of these precepts will get you doxxed, harrassed and targetted by leftists. No other beliefs, when being denied, come close to the rage and vitriol that these ones generate among leftists. Therefore these are the most sacred and most defended principles of leftism.
And no, this is not just an american thing.

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>>25210319
>Why do you attack Islam when Christianity is also bad?
Because all this shit is retarded. Reactionaries and conservatives are retarded. Libertarians are retarded. Socialists and anarchists are retarded. I support non-ideological "social democracy" (tax the rich and give me their shit because if you don't I won't vote for you, but don't abolish private property or markets because I like owning shit)

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https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

>>25207682
>Also how the fuck is an all powerful totalitarian state going to magically wither away?
Yeah, this is what always put me off of auth-left politics. I'm generally a left-wing person, but the prospects of a truly communist society is really grim and it's really disappointing

>>25207682
has never read philosophy

>>25210469
Is that image AI kek
>>25210529
I'm not going to bother reading the rest of this thread but Lenin's State and Revolution goes into this exact issue

>>25210544
Thanks for the resource. I'll check it out on marxists dot org

>>25204149
Capital itself is a fine place to start. A lot of the supplementary material will be unhelpful. 18th Brumaire is great as a short primer on Marxist historiography. People will tell you the LTV has been debunked but there are some more recent works defending it like Cockshott's Toward a New Socialism, which I haven't personally read but would like to see more discussion and critique on.

Kek, this thread was funny.
Moar

>>25210461
marx isnt against private property
read the manifesto

>>25207611
>The State doesn’t abolish itself, you fucking tranny retard. It withers away.
LOL, the powerful don't give up power voluntarily, you retard.
>Mao and Stalin literally ended cycles of famine which occurred for centuries. They also doubled the life expectancy of their population.
Except for all the people they starved and murdered.

>>25210631
oh so starving and murdering is only bad when the socialists do it, eh?

>>25204149
The new testament

>>25210319
>Why defend the current system that doesn't care about you at all?
Because his critique and solutions literally make zero sense and empirically make the lives of workers worse off and have less freedom.
What's it like being retarded?

>>25210599
I did. He literally was. Every marxist dictatorship that came after him abolished private property.

>>25210671
They're more likely do do it, so yes.

>>25210544
>but Lenin's State and Revolution goes into this exact issue
What retarded mental gymnastics did this retard come up with?

Also you guys remember when lenin forced the workers into extreme poverty because socialism literally doesn't work and is effectively slavery?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWWqhsh848E

>>25210534
What's your response then?

>>25210671
Did I say that, or are you just retarded?

>>25210743
hey if you wanna pretend to be able to pick when it matters, thats really on you, isnt it?

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Why are all leftist philosophers actually unironic pedophiles?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

No wonder socialists started NAMBLA

>>25210756
https://thebastionusa.com/republican-sexual-misconduct-scandals

>>25210751
Retardation confirmed.

>>25210781
still on you, cunt.

>>25210599
This post encapsulates pretty well how well read the average marx thread poster is.

>>25210469
Engels essay here is phenomenal in detailing the political technics of industrial modernity, there's little escaping the demand of centralized authority and state direction given technical complexity within the political economy. It's just a question of what system is most efficient and just.

>>25210599
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

>>25210793
>>25210796
you picked one line from the exegesis on the topic, utterly ignoring the how the text works.
congratulations. imagine reading something and still not having read it.

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~300 page cheat code to strip down and skip past the galaxy sized amount of utter bullshit built up to confuse people about how america actually functions. Reads like it was written yesterday too.

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>>25210798
Hmm no retard, I've read it multiple times. Private property is the cental institution that Marxist socialism takes aim at. What do you think seize the means of production means? Halfwit. Go read Capitals sections on primative accumulation as well.

>>25210809
you just said "marxist socialsim"
more proof you havent read or understood anything.

RETARD

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>>25210816
Please shut the fuck up and never post again.

>>25210821
take your own advice.
"lit", implying reading, doesnt seem to be your strong suit.

>>25204149
Leftists don't actually read. When they do it's smut and YA fiction. The "intellectual left" is a dead meme.

>>25210871
>voted for a reality tv conman

Reminder that this guys that posts in all lower caps telling people to "read the manifesto" hasn't even read Capital

>>25210946
reminder that you and your ilk cant even understand the manifesto and have nothing of value to contribute

>>25210946
reminder that you and your ilk cant even understand the manifesto and have nothing of value to contribute

>lower caps

>>25210961
>>25210964
Ok bro but you're still a Marxist that hasn't read the text that defines Marxism

>>25209141
You're a tranny. You take pills to LARP as a woman because you're mentally ill. Don't talk about "schizophrenic nonsense", you are the schizo, you retarded deficient freak.
>You likely used AI to come up with most of that since the wording sounds unlike your other replies
No, I often debate liberal tranny faggots like you and MAGA cuckolds as well, I've got paragraphs in my notes that I use to debunk common lies and misconceptions.
>LOL Are you seriously referring to the boilerplate legal disclaimer that most organizations use and pretending they disavowed his views?
No I'm referring to the fact that they never recognized his interpretations as factual, you fucking degenerate freak.
>No it isn't. They allow for currency, price signals, wage labor, debt etc
All of these elements are implemented within a central plan which oversees the entire economy. If any of these elements turn out to diverge from what has been centrally determined as necessary for the plan, measures would be taken to correct this issue.
>Just because we have some state intervention doesn't make it totally centrally planned you fucking retard.
Money, the measure of exchange value, has been decoupled from gold by the State and the State now controls the currency. The State is the central capitalist and every big corporation is intertwined with the State. The State is the central planner as it overseas the most crucial aspect of what retarded libertarians call 'crony capitalism' (this was predicted by Engels btw). The estrogens you take are shrinking your brain, tranny.
>Central planning vs a market economy isn't a binary.
No shit, retard.
>It's just that the market economy clearly works far better than socialist central planning and it seems communists over the past 50 years have learned this.
The market economy is determined by the socialist central planning. China and Vietnam set the boundaries of these markets and repress any actors who'd try to get away with more. The market serves the people, not private interests. That's exactly what I've been saying, retard.
>Except north korea which you also support lmao
NK has no choice and it's been doing pretty good, so far. Its model is antifragile.

>>25209141
>https://spectator.com/article/mao-s-girl-and-me/
This tranny degenerate freak actually gave me a fucking tabloid article about a book I've already said is full of shit and has been refuted by the people Mao knew. Can't make this shit up. Kill yourself.
>Massive property bubbles, endless debt, tofu dreg projects, ghost cities, mass youth unemployment, low wages compained to taiwan?
Pure Reddit tranny propaganda slop. Let's take the examples of 'ghost cities': all of the examples from ten or fifteen years ago now have people living in them and are just cities. These cities are built according to plans made for urban development, you fucking atrocious disgusting subhuman freak.
>Pretty easy to do that when you control all of the statistics and can warp it any way you want and there are no third party auditors to call you out.
You can't prove China's economy is collapsing so you're accusing China of lying. Doing so, you turn out to be a liar yourself. You lost, tranny.
>u mad?
I pity you. People avoid you because you embody everything that is ugly and disgusting about the modern world. Stop your transition. Find God.
>LMAO you brainwashed yourself to SUPPORT your own enslavement.
Hey, hey, hey. Tranny, you got cucked out by Big Pharma. They convinced you to take hormones and chop your balls off. Who the fuck is cucking who here? I want you to regain your humanity and you insist on defending the class that will rape your nephews and nieces and turn into a literal mentally insane ennuch. Get fucking real.
>https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/decline-state-owned-enterprises-vietnam.html/
Let's see what the article actually says:
>Shareholders have also complained that equitized SOEs still lack appropriate corporate governance protocols and continue to operate under the mandate of state-owned enterprises.
Yeah, that's what I thought, retard. These privatizations are mostly formal. They lessen the bureaucratization but they don't diminish the power of the State over the private sector because guess what, tranny? It's still A CENTRALLY PLANNED ECONOMY by and for the people.
>You're a pseud.
I'd rather be a pseud than a retard like you, faggot.
>Why can't you cultists speak in actual terms instead of hegelian nonsense?
You're insecure, huh?
>What happens practically?
We kill big pharma and send its transgendered slaves to camps where they can regain their humanity.
>How exactly would this work practically? Would money still exist? What about contract enforcement? What happens when two people have a dispute?
Read Marx and Engels, tranny. They weren't fortune tellers. They things they predicted were based on a rational and scientific understanding of the capitalist mode of production. The rest humanity will figure it out by its own means.
>You can cry about studies like this all you want, but you people never provide any rebuttals so lol lmao even
Because you cherrypick irrelevant studies based on available abstracts, retarded tranny.

>>25211350
Are all Maoists this neurotic?

>>25209157
Your bitchboy PraxBen lost according to the conditions he set before the debate. That's why he wants a rematch: he knows he lost and he's salty about it. A sleep deprived Haz managed to mop the floor with him. You're a bunch of losers.
>I thought mao tried abolishing things like wage labor, trade, capitalism and money? Wouldn't bringing those things back be a "sin" or whatever to you people?
Overcoming capitalism isn't a linear process, retard. There are necessary setbacks and adjustments along the way. Which is why Lenin advocated for pragmatism.
>It's hilarious that I am actually happy and you are a bitter basement dwelling incel lol
Statistics don't lie, tranny. You're depressed and just a shot away from killing yourself.

Well, that's it. I've managed to prove that you're indeed a tranny, that you are a compulsive liar and that you're also a retard. My job is done. Keep crying, Epsteinite tranny. You lost.

>>25209752
>Being massively in debt and trying to get out of it is worse than living by debt and freely spending, initially.
You sound like you have 80k in credit card debt and eat steak that's been doordashed to your funko-pop cave.

>>25211433
If one person chooses to live this way, it's their problem.
If the entire economy depends upon people living this way, it's a social problem.
If you really believed in capitalism, you'd be fine with most people living this way, since it's the lifestyle that the market has decided is best for GDP maximization, gig economy, debt, financialization. This is the atomized individual, homo economicus, this is the deliberate creation of Reganite/Thatcherite policies. Yet the nu-rightoid treats it as an object of disgust. Why?

>>25211662
VC bro please invest in my AI company that does nothing never will but I promise it will do everything once you pay me some money

>>25204149
Every good book ever, of course.

>>25211357
almost always

>>25211433
Do you think it's the same thing if an individual citizen holds debt as it is if a government capable of printing the currency the debt is denominated in holds debt? Again, no amount of insulting me personally changes whether you actually understand the topic or not.

>>25212217
fattie

>>25211307
>>25211350
>being a deranged marxist leninist loser in 2026
LOL
LMFAO

>>25212276
>hasnt read the manifesto

>>25212280
I did. The 10 planks are retarded economically illiterate nonsense that would fuck up the economy and cause workers to suffer. Why would you want that?

>>25211357
>>25211677
>>25212276
>no argument
Gentlemen, I accept your concession.

>>25212316
>le 10 planks

show me where Marx discusses the "10 planks" in the manifesto?

because he doesnt. youre just huffing right wing propaganda. try reading the text.

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>>25204149
Antiracist Baby

>>25212546
cool

>>25210938
>voted for a brown whore

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>>25212541
Of course, the classic Marxist move, this part is denounced in the 1872 preface
>The practical application of the principles will depend, as the Manifesto itself states, everywhere and at all times, on the historical conditions for the time being existing, and, for that reason, no special stress is laid on the revolutionary measures proposed at the end of Section II.
and it's such a fucking pain in the ass, you can hardly make sense of what their stance towards anything is. Same shit happens with labor vouchers between Poverty and Gothacritik.
It's the first mass ideology where you can just make shit up as you go and if pressured, just say you're doing a immament critique and shit lol

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>>25211357
I think it's pretty good example how it ends up in hysterical demagogy, yes. It's a symptom of a certain degeneration that turns into them into zombies who just scream directives at you. Blaahhh you accuse China of lying you are a subhuman retard the modern world is disgusting CENTRALLY PLANNED ECONOMY we will send you to camps blaaaah aaaaarghh braaaaains.

>>25212563
Is that not how things work, though? Capitalism also adapts to changing historical and material conditions, but because it's the prevailing system we don't really pay it any mind.

>>25204149
Adding to this thread because people are adding way too much political science and not stuff that can generate a left politic

Nietzsche
Marx
Hegel
Butler
Spinoza
Deleuze (only read if you actually get Nietzsche)
Freud
Guattari
Lacan (read Freud first)
Foucault

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>>25204149
all you need

>>25204320
No Althusser, Deleuze, Negri, or Badiou?

it's a meme book full of jokes. i'm poor as fuck, leave me alone.

What's some good leftist literature that actually tries to do a honest analysis of the flaws of capitalism and benefits of socialism that doesn't just go "capitalism baaaaaaaaad" since that's obviously not strictly true in certain ways.

>>25212563
oh, the list at the end. never heard it called "10 planks" and would never use that phrase.

of course, you really need the qualifications to these in the rest of the manifesto and to note that these are just a variety of possibilities.

not sure why you think that free education for children and not having kids working in mines is a problem.

>>25213693
also, the idea of an agrarian 'army' is interesting.

Dont like immigrants but still want to keep agricultural costs down? Think militaries like the USA are just feeding on the poor? Well, you could have something like the national guard, perhaps primarily for the young to get them some experience. they could travel and learn. experience there country and other parts of the nation. could be quite affirming. Equal liability doesnt have to mean some fucking dystopian 'labor and re-education camps.'

like any form of governance, you just need to keep the parasites and narcissists out. otherwise you get your putin and orban and trumps.

as to something like transport, can you imagine if the car lobby didnt shape america early on? if california had a train system? in stead we have musk making turds under las vegas. thanks elon.

>>25213674
People will suggest anything but Capital by Marx himself. It's not really a critique of capitalism by the way it's more of an analysis

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>Essential leftist literature?
>Mostly Marxist bullshit and a sprinkling of socdem and CIA psyop press

Your thread stinks.

Dialectic reading group
>>25214473

>>25204296
Nobody has read Capital.
If anyone tells you they've read Capital, they're lying.

>>25214888
They might not have read every volume but plenty have read volume one, which was all that was published in Marx's lifetime

>>25213693
>and not having kids working in mines is a problem.
you mean the thing that capitalism itself abolished
Child labor was a fact of reality for all human history until the productive forces of capitalism made it obsolete.

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>>25214888
Harvey has read it numerous times. Poured over it with students in multiple semesters.

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>>25215271
>Child labor was a fact of reality for all human history until the productive forces of capitalism made it obsolete
for all of human history child labor consisted of petting the sheep and weeding the vegetable garden. for a century it consisted of servile work for someone other than the childs father and that was sad. now it consists of being dragged away to government indoctrination day prison where the child unrolls a condom on a banana in mixed company

>>25215843
>for all of human history child labor consisted of petting the sheep and weeding the vegetable garden
this is what communists actually fucking believe!
Child labor in pre industrial society was 12 hour days in the fields with primitive tools. Hard back breaking labor.
Almost no children went to school back then.
It was capitalism and the industrial revolution that made child labor obsolete.

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>>25212439
There's no point in debating with a maoist. They're all insane retarded wannabe dictator failures.
Kind of funny the naxalites in india all got wiped out lmfao
pic related, typical maoist