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>awful prose
>stole ideas from everybody
>never invented his own formula
>was neither celebrated nor respected during the years of his life
>only became celebrated later in his life because someone wanted to profit off his works and peddle his own garbage
>is celebrated so much that people are willingly turning their head from his disgusting bigotry

explain to me the lovecraft phenomena.

CAS is infinitely better.
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>Lovecraft is a good writer
>everything you said is horseshit
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>>25207106
>awful prose
stopped reading there, gain taste pleb
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>>25207106
>disgusting bigotry
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>>25207109
>We expelled the bodies through the double hatches and were alone in the U-29. Klenze seemed very nervous, and drank heavily. It was decided that we remain alive as long as possible, using the large stock of provisions and chemical supply of oxygen, none of which had suffered from the crazy antics of those swine-hound seamen. Our compasses, depth gauges, and other delicate instruments were ruined; so that henceforth our only reckoning would be guesswork, based on our watches, the calendar, and our apparent drift as judged by any objects we might spy through the portholes or from the conning tower. Fortunately we had storage batteries still capable of long use, both for interior lighting and for the searchlight. We often cast a beam around the ship, but saw only dolphins, swimming parallel to our own drifting course. I was scientifically interested in those dolphins; for though the ordinary Delphinus delphis is a cetacean mammal, unable to subsist without air, I watched one of the swimmers closely for two hours, and did not see him alter his submerged condition.

great prose
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>>25207106
IVAN OOZE
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>>25207121
In that story, he was writing as an autistic German submarine captain in the first person, and brilliantly so. Stop being a fucking retard.
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>>25207106
He turned away from being a bigot toward the end of his life, he literally wrote that his chud phase was an ''illness that kept me in seclusion and limited my knowledge of the world''
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>>25207137
Ahhh yess a comically retarded caricature is brilliant.
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>>25207153
>a comically retarded caricature
it's literally just an accurate portrayal of German autism
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>>25207161
Jew spotted
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>>25207167
>J
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>Le tentacles
>Le fishe ppl
>Le "so horrible that it was impossible to describe"
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>>25207196
And?
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>>25207199
>tranime
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>>25207204
reddit is down the hall and to the left
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>>25207235
Redditors love tranime tho
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>>25207121
Were you ever going to articulate why you find that passage poor, or just eat shit like a faggot for us all to see?
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>>25207196
Fucking based honestly.
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>>25207106
>prose hits exactly the right tone for the mood he intended to evoke
>full of original ideas, imitated by every horror writer. People that think he stole from Dunsany or Hodgson haven't read either
>formula???
>had a great circle of friends and admirers who were artists themselves, normies didn't get it as usual
>would have become celebrated any which way because of the mythic potential of his work
>bigotry nowhere to be found in his actual work except maybe horror at red hook
>CAS is the favorite of attention-seeking pseuds, he's flashy but mid, no lasting vision
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>>25207759
>>bigotry nowhere to be found in his actual work except maybe horror at red hook
Herbert West Reanimator? Rats in the Walls?
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>>25207121
How is this bad? It's pretty decent for what it is.
>CAS is infinitely better.
No way Clark Ashton Smith is better than Lovecraft. I'd say CAS is one of the more "crummy" writers in the pulp scene, and Raymond Chandler & Robert E. Howard were the best likewise.
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CAS is the hipster version of lovecraft. Filled to the brim with anachronistic nonsense words to give the story the exact "tone shading" that nobody will ever perceive because nobody outside of language historians knows what the words mean. Like reading fucking discount Jabberwocky. And then you look up what the word means and realize the retard was using it wrong in the first place, like lovecraft and his fucking "gibbous".
So no, Clark Asshole Shit was not infinitely fucking better. He was a second rate hack then and remains one now, lovecraft and howard are better known for a reason.
Which is a shame really, because he did write some good stories when he wasnt going full retard.
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>>25207764
meh, just for niggerman? Why doesn't anyone seethe about Mark Twains "bigotry"?
Don't remember about Herbert West
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>>25207759
>bigotry nowhere to be found in his actual work except maybe horror at red hook

Coils of the Medusa had such a hilarious twist at the end it felt like reading a parody of lovecraft
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>>25207106
CAS's prose was better, and his fantasy cycles were better than the Dream Cycle, but if you're going to sing his praises you have to bear in mind that he liked Lovecraft's work. There's a reason for that. Lovecraft's contemporary horror stories were generally the strongest of the weird tales scene.
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>>25207783
>a parody of lovecraft
it probably was since he ghostwrote it for some woman
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>>25207843
The Dream Cycle is underrated. Most people I hear from say it's vastly inferior to his Cthulhu mythos stories (the fuck's the difference anyways, the Elder Gods are mentioned frequently in the Dream Cycle).
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This is the definitive collection if you want to read the entire Dream Cycle BTW.
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>>25207886
The dream cycle sucks because it’s an inferior mishmash copycat of Dunsany
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>>25208095
The fuck does this mean. I've never read Dunsany.
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>>25207106
> dream quest of unknown kadath is s class as one of the most important novels in english, really kind of an english language don quixote, but befitting english more philosophical than about the one man asking God his one question
> mountains of madness is a class as a recording of the state of science and speculation of the origins of life and the universe
lovecraft is without a doubt the greatest english language writer
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>man gainfully employed writing accessible horror stories for ordinary readers
>this isnt allowed though, less people should read
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>>25207777
>>25207764
>>25207759
>Why doesn't anyone seethe about Mark Twains "bigotry"?
Or Baum who straight up advocated for exterminating the last remaining american indians in the aftermath of wounded knee. Guy was evil, but nobody brings it up when discussing wicked part 2 or whatever the fuck. It's crazy to see Lovecraft maligned the way he is.
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>>25207887
Why not just get the complete collection? I got the big blue one and can vouch for it. I've yet to see a dream-cycle compilation that has everything including unknown kadath.
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>>25207252
Anon, you don’t have to like anime, but you do know what website you’re on, right?
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>>25209761
Tranime is a subgroup of anime that is known to attract trannies.
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>>25207887
>introduction by Neil Homosexualman
No
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>>25209785
>replies to your post from Sunday
>you reply in less than 15 minutes
how terminally online are you?
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>>25209808
Nta you retard. You think that anon just coined that term?
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>>25209761
>Ummm.... anime websi-
Cope.
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>>25209831
you are very clearly the same seething retard, OP
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>>25209800
>he doesn't like rapists
>>25209759
Does it include the stories he ghostwrited?
Most complete editions don't include them.
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>>25209906
such as? I'm not familiar with his ghost writing
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>Be a writer of fantastical stories
>It's essentially your whole job is to do just that
>Ummm... It was just so horrible that I can't even begin to describe it with words, in fact, I shan't
REALLY NIGGA?
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>>25207196
>he can't imagine the impossible to describe
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>>25207106
>4chan only likes him because he named his cat niggerman
truly, a sad existence.
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>>25210463
Yes, NPC I can visualize an apple in my head. I also have an internal narrator as well. Nice cope for your favorite shitty writer and his cheap copouts though.
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>>25207113
Bigotry is not cool, anon
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>>25210460
he has a funny meta story about this
https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/u.aspx
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>>25210460
he has a funny meta story about this
https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/u.aspx
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>>25210460
>I came only just short of echoing his cry myself; for I had seen those primal sculptures, too, and had shudderingly admired the way the nameless artist had suggested that hideous slime-coating found on certain incomplete and prostrate Old Ones—those whom the frightful shoggoths had characteristically slain and sucked to a ghastly headlessness in the great war of re-subjugation. They were infamous, nightmare sculptures even when telling of age-old, bygone things; for shoggoths and their work ought not to be seen by human beings or portrayed by any beings. The mad author of the Necronomicon had nervously tried to swear that none had been bred on this planet, and that only drugged dreamers had ever conceived them. Formless protoplasm able to mock and reflect all forms and organs and processes—viscous agglutinations of bubbling cells—rubbery fifteen-foot spheroids infinitely plastic and ductile—slaves of suggestion, builders of cities—more and more sullen, more and more intelligent, more and more amphibious, more and more imitative—Great God! What madness made even those blasphemous Old Ones willing to use and to carve such things?
>And now, when Danforth and I saw the freshly glistening and reflectively iridescent black slime which clung thickly to those headless bodies and stank obscenely with that new unknown odour whose cause only a diseased fancy could envisage—clung to those bodies and sparkled less voluminously on a smooth part of the accursedly re-sculptured wall in a series of grouped dots—we understood the quality of cosmic fear to its uttermost depths. It was not fear of those four missing others—for all too well did we suspect they would do no harm again. Poor devils! After all, they were not evil things of their kind. They were the men of another age and another order of being. Nature had played a hellish jest on them—as it will on any others that human madness, callousness, or cruelty may hereafter drag up in that hideously dead or sleeping polar waste—and this was their tragic homecoming.
This not detailed enough for you?
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>>25209759
I LOATHE huge hardbacks. I suspect Lovecraft loved them, though, the older and more wooden and creaky the better if you get me. He would have lost his goddamned mind if he learned about the Voynich manuscript and the Devil's Bible.
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>>25207106
to be fair he didn't name the cat
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>>25207106
>never invented his own formula
That’s why they call it Lovecraftian huh.
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>>25209759
I prefer this.
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>>25207759
>>bigotry nowhere to be found in his actual work except maybe horror at red hook
what about the time he wrote a murder mystery with an orangutan as a black allegory
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>>25213402
>folio
I prefer any one that isn't 120 dollars.
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>>25213415
Tbh the price increases have been nutty. It was way cheaper when I got it. That said ordinary hardcovers have also ballooned in price. My mental math is 2x-3x the price of a regular shitty hardcover, that’s alright for Folio. But then I collect small press and limited editions for fun and 200 dollars for a book can be a steal.
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>>25213408
Rue Morgue is Poe not Lovecraft.
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>>25213535
I have no idea why things are the way they are. Germany/France, despite being much smaller markets, typically have way lower prices for their hardcovers. You'd think economies of scale would keep the prices down (500 million~ native speakers or so and however many ESLs want to read literature in English), but no.
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>>25207106
>stole
Why are dimwits like this? Get good.
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>>25213537
damn, you're right
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>>25210460
Look at that, Lovecraft wrote a story just for you.
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>>25209759
These B&N editions have improper transcription and Derleth’s erroneous edits. You’re not even reading the original story. Get the Arkham House editions
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>>25215147
That's nice. Didn't read.
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>>25210642
that's where you're wrong, kiddo
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>>25215863
fuck you frogman
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>>25215822
>That's nice. Didn't read.
Maybe you should try reading, if you're going to post here.
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>>25215866
You seem upset
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>>25215873
>You seem upset
No, that's literally just projection on your part.
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>Ummm... you're projecting
You're the one putting effort into finding the right shartytoon picture to post for every reply.

Just sayin'
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>>25215891
>so mad he stopped replying
oh no! that's a concession on all points! that means you lost!
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>>25207759
‘The Medusa’ is about a nappy-haired niggress.
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>>25207776
CAS sounds exactly like the writer for me.
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>>25215899
You still postin' Timmy? KWAB
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>>25215151
which fucking stories have edits? I didn't notice any errors

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