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any books that will help me get out of a 3 year long existential crisis?
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=591E6zqWqA8
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>>25209263
Fear and Trembling, Ecclesiastes, The Imitation of Christ
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The Wisdom Books
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>>25209273
No they're real but if you've only been in one for 3 years either you're a little kid or you don't have one
Existential crisis isn't something you "get out of". You think any great thinker ever escaped their crisis? They dedicated their whole life to it precisely because they could not get out of it. The same way you will not escape your physical crisis AKA your body.
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Realize we’re all here singing dancing suffering the same shit, just at different times. Sunlight and using your body will do wonders too. Start going on long walks/hikes. Hope it gets better bro, I’m hurtn too.
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>>25209263
Could not be your particular case, but for me, Plato helped me come to terms with death and my place in the order of things. I feel happiness with the morning sun, feel more grateful, compassionate with other's and my own ignorance and my own physical body
I heard much criticism about Plato and I think they are in their right, since it's not much of a guide on life but to question and to understand your own relationship with the sensible world, so to critique Plato is very much something he would have wanted
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>>25209263
Could not be your particular case, but for me, Plato helped me come to terms with death and my place in the order of things. I feel happiness with the morning sun, feel more grateful, compassionate with other's and my own ignorance and my own physical body
I heard much criticism about Plato and I think they are in their right, since it's not much of a guide on life but to question and to understand your own relationship with the sensible world, so to critique Plato is very much something he would have wanted
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>>25209263
Lmao, an existential crisis.
What a privileged white boy problem.
You think too much, and it's exhausting your ability to think constructively.
>Wahhh life is endlessly perplexing and I don't know want to do with myself.
Get laid, loser.
Roflmao.
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>>25209263
Look I'll give it to you straight. You pretty much have to do drugs. As a start at least.
I will say reading might work if you're not that smart. In that case you might as well get into religion. That will probably work most reliably as it does for so many.
But if you're really smart ironically you can't think your way out of problems. Because the thinking is the problem. A smart enough person "sees" too much which is inevitably self defeating.
This is why really smart people often do become addicts of some kind. Some of them end up killing themselves anyway. Think someone obvious like DFW. Too smart, too deep of feeling, too aware, too disillusioned, too existential so he turns to addictions, tries a lot of different things, still obviously doesn't work out. Might work out for you you might not. But the answer for him probably wasn't to read more.
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Unironically The Last Messiah did it for me.
It felt honest and raw, gave me an actionable solution, and was cathartic in how unabashedly bleak it is. And the guy who wrote it is also an example of someone living a good, fulfilling life despite doing so through a never ending existential dread episode.
Man and His Symbols also helped, something about the only great adventure left being self-discovery.
The Hero with a Thousand Faces, as far as I've read, is about this too, about reading yourself for your death and living through meaninglessness in as meaningful a way as you can get.
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Also this seems to be truth. Either that, or diving deep into copes like religion or politics.
>>25211834
Don't listen to this fuckup. Drugs will make you psychotic, suicidal or retarded. Which might be what this guy wants, so I advice to start sniffing glue asap
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>>25212045
I do think that's partly true. I guess my theory is the universe is infinite so atoms have had time to scatter in an infinite number of patterns which could hypothetically form me again as i am now physically. While i am arguably the sum of my memories, i am also my daddies son. Physical/chemical make up of the brain ect ect
I do often feel like i have lived an infinite number of lives thinking of the outcomes of different decisions.
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>>25212045
I wrote out a post in rrsponse to yours or thought i did but it dissapeared. I was going to do so again but i realized we have already had this conversation and will continue to do so an infinite number of times if the universe is really infinite.
There are also infinite realities where you made different decisions and have different memories.
Maybe all our atoms dont always come back together fully. Maybe the rest is in another person or across the univers in a hunk of rock.
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>>25213042
thats up to you really
But I am reading this atm and its pretty neat
>Enjoy our living death-this is the story's message. This contrasts with the prevalent mood in some existential literature, such as Kierkegaard's "sickness unto death" (despair) or Camus' defiance against the "absurdity of life" (disintegration of our life-accomplishments in death). Chuang Tzu's living in death makes life enjoyable; we live as if we were already dead.
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>>25213053
Read a summary of his points which all seem obvious if you kinda skimmed through philosophy a bit your whole life.
Maybe it's the way he words things which makes it worth reading?
>quoting a secondary source about the book instead of quoting the book
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>>25213071
>Read a summary of his points which all seem obvious if you kinda skimmed through philosophy a bit your whole life.
Nigga thats all eastern philosophy, understanding the concepts intellectually is easy. Grasping the unspeakable takes longer.
>quoting a secondary source about the book instead of quoting the book
My zhuangzi has been sitting on my shelf for years, this is just an sneaky excuse for me to reread a little of him :)
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>>25213082
>Grasping the unspeakable takes longer.
What do you mean
How do you grasp it in your head? Words or pictures? If you think in language then you can express your thoughts with a high enough intellect as well as describe what you see in your mind's eye.
If you feel something, you can describe thst feeling. Well, i can.
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>>25213141
>How do you grasp it in your head? Words or pictures? If you think in language then you can express your thoughts with a high enough intellect as well as describe what you see in your mind's eye.
its about going beyond concepts my friend
You can't conceptualize the unconceptualize
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>>25213185
>Im glad we could come to an agreement
Well as long as youre happy :)
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>>25213042
Think of this like this. Those books are like Evangelion, yes, the fucking anime. The author, not really understanding Christianity or its symbols, fascinated by Christianity's aesthetics and makes some crunches of the original idea, with their own sensibilities and world view, for their manner of expression. So if I want someone to understand Christianity, I'm not recommending Evangelion. I would already be doing a disservice if I told someone to read Aquinas to understand Christianity. You need to read the bible first. These books and authors are for Buddhism, not quite Aquinas or any of his works either. They are from Buddhism about two millennia removed and examined from cultures and languages that have nothing to do with Buddhism. These authors are merely salesmen and marketers of foreign ideas.
Of course, you didn't make a statement that reading these people will give you a better understanding of Buddhism per se and you are just saying what helped you. That's fine but you should understand that this is just Romanticism with Buddhist/Eastern aesthetics and vocabulary. It's orientalism. It's Buddhist Romanticism, which is quite juvenile. You ought to read a section on Buddhist Romanticism from Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
So yeah, better off reading the Dhammapada. Some basic Mahayana Sutras. Heart, Diamond, Lotus. Choose a word that you like. If you don't like what you see there, you don't like Buddhism or it's ideas at all. If it has to be fiction, at least read the historical fiction from Thich Nhat Hanh, which is not bad for trying to have somewhat of an appeal to westerners. If looking for Buddhist literature, Kenji Miyazawa is pretty good.
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