>>25211509
What are the uncomfortable truths this book touches on?

>>25211509
>Redditors don't seem to like it at all which is good sign in my opinion
>some uncomfortable truths
What a dogshit vague empty post. God, /lit/ is the bottom of the fucking barrel for any literature discussion.

>>25212871
>normalfags process reality through a symbolic filter while autists perceive raw reality which can be overwhelming to the senses. normalfags are good at ignoring or even repressing uncomfortable details in order to execute social scripts. they can work easily in loud and noisy environments because of this.
>normalfags prioritize social truth over capital T truth. the purpose of socializing is to build a shared web of symbols and get everyone on the same page about what we think and feel about them. every encounter helps the normalfag adjust his internal "liquid" truth so that he always has a good idea of what the majority of his in-group believes. normalfags find it hard to change even after being confronted with the Truth because they are often waiting for other people to change first, they are in "lockstep" so any change on a large scale requires gradual small movements despite many individuals in the organization being aware of the truth.
>normalfags manipulate each others emotions and everything they do is with the goal of being perceived a certain way. everything they do is communicating something. this is also why advertisement and propaganda works on normalfags because you can easily build associations in the normalfag that X symbol = X emotion or situation, he just has to see it enough so that his internal "liquid" truth adjusts.
>normalfags organize in pecking orders and play friend/enemy games where they strategically support each others goals, lie for each other, manipulate the local social truth against someone or backstab each other to move up. they assume everyone is playing these games so they are suspicious of the autist that might just want to point out an error or mistake at work without realizing how it makes the normalfag look bad. at that point you become the normalfags enemy unknowingly and he will use any opportunity to fuck with you.

This is just the top of my head. I wanted to find similar books so I opened some reddit discussions and apparently they don't like it because the author said that when a neurotypical woman says "no" it often doesn't mean "no" but "try harder". This is at the end of the book when he talks about sexuality. Of course they interpreted that in the most rapey way possible because in recent years there has been built up an association between sexual assault and this phrase of "no means no". I suspect this redditor is a normalfag despite posting on autistic subreddit, especially given his very performative moral disgust reaction. Another thread someone cried about dropping the book because they related more to the normalfags so it made them question their identity as a neurodivergent and they wanted assurance from the sub that they really this identity.

>>25212895
Yeah, what ever happened to the /lit/ that likes to read? Everyone expects a short summary of every book being discussed so they can participate with zero effort. Why not just download the book and read it yourself if it peaked your interest? This thread was aimed at people that actually read the book, not redditors like yourself looking for a fight.

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>>25213131
This seems to just be a rehashing of NLP from an autistic perspective.

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>>25213131
>it's an "autismos think they're the only honest and genuine humans" book

>>25213169
Every genuine autist I've met has truth as their highest value and they suffer greatly for it. They are unable to lie, even for small insignificant things. The tragedy is that they get fucked early in life because they naively assume that other people also just care about the truth and that everyone is fundamentally good-hearted, when in reality everyone is a manipulative sociopath and you can't survive very long in the adult world without repressing a ton of things and becoming categorically evil.

>>25213179
Complete bullshit. Autists are manipulative as hell and they are fucking bad at it

>>25213213
It's more likely that you encountered low-tier normalfags that merely use autism as an identity to be perceived as special or unique. There's no shortage of those on autism subreddits as I've pointed out. Or, you're just a normalfag that cannot imagine a person that works differently than you and you think it's some elaborate social maneuver to be perceived as a "good person" because why else would you care about being honest if you can't get anything for it?

Genuine autists worship the truth, it's the primary reason they're bad at socializing and fitting in, because conformism requires you to sacrifice the capital T truth for the social truth. 4chan is full of these types and which is why this place has been the bastion of free speech and truth on the internet and despite efforts, the site is very difficult to sway with propaganda. Compare that to reddit, which has "autism" subreddits but everyone there is basically a normalfag lite desperate for approval from the hivemind.

>>25213131
I don't disagree with the central premise of some people being individual operators and the larger majority being interested in a false collective truth, but I think it's funny when you guys sperg out over this shit and basically accomplish nothing while similarly truth-focused groups like the depressed or ADHD crowds end up creating most major contributions to art and society.

Every human can see group and individual dynamics, that's the point of adolescence. The deeper and more meaningful goal is developing the introspection to figure out your own hypocritical stances and lessen the harm you do to others. Salinger's Holden Caulfield is right that the world is full of phones, but he's compelling because he unaware of the times he is not also a phony.

But then every level-1 autismo thinks he is some god of rational thought and everyone in his fifth grade class is denying capital-T Truth by not letting him openly masturbate to his map of the Chiyoda Subway Line and finish in all of the communal gluesticks.

>>25213213
This. Every autist and aspie I met was a piece of shit, just like every normie. They are just less intelligent and worse liars than normies

>>25213242
I’m not comfortable with this premise that there’s a capital T truth and a social truth which are followed by autists and normies respectively.
I’m not autistic, quite the opposite, and I’m firmly in the objective reality camp. So what does that make me some kind of autists ally or what? It’s reductive and kinda stupid

>>25213261
>But then every level-1 autismo thinks he is some god of rational thought and everyone in his fifth grade class is denying capital-T Truth by not letting him openly masturbate to his map of the Chiyoda Subway Line and finish in all of the communal gluesticks.

I know this is an exaggeration, but on some level we've all been conditioned to believe this idea that the autist is a very stupid, borderline criminally socially oblivious person that whips out their dick in class because they lack the "social skills". In reality, this never happens, even in like the most remote retarded village in America, I doubt it has ever happened. It's just another facet of the normalfag gaslighting strategy to paint specific pictures about undesirables and repeat them until they become socially true. This makes it easy to dismiss anyone that might identify themselves as autistic because you're basically admitting you are this silly stupid borderline criminally socially oblivious fool that does whacky stuff, that's been spread through the shared web of symbols. At some point, you are no longer perceived as a real person but as a caricature and you have to resort to inventing radically new words that haven't been tainted by the normalfags propaganda web.

>>25213306
>So what does that make me some kind of autists ally or what?

You're immediately thinking of what tribe this makes you belong to, in a typical normalfag fashion. No, if you care about the Truth, you will believe in it and defend it despite the social consequences. There might be normalfags that value truth highly, but this is a matter of degree, there is always a breaking point where they will believe the most silliest of lies if the contrary means they lose some important relationship or connection. You can see all the normalfags today that believe toddlers should be castrated if they believe they're the opposite gender. You believe in objective reality until it becomes too costly and then you fall in line with the social truth. And the cost doesn't even have to be too high, it's not like 1984 where you are tortured with your worst fear, it's enough that people label you a bad word or look down on you.

>>25213325
No, I do believe in objective reality. My allegiance is to God and if God is pleased with me although every human hates me I’m satisfied. I strive

>>25213131
This describes the behavior of the 4chan mainstream, who like to refer to people who not fit in with their click as normalfags. Ironic?

>>25213333
Nice digits. I admit that you can use the term "normalfag" in a lot of different ways, sometimes as simply as a label for people outside of your counter-culture in-group. The way I use it is different, as in "neurotypical", a person that perceives reality and behaves in the ways I've described. Nice try tho!

>>25213332
How do you know God is pleased with you? I'm not an atheist, but the way people treat God, it's really just a way to out-peck the pecking order by saying, ah well the big gorilla in the sky that's by definition more powerful than anything has my back, so... do you really want to fuck with me?

I believe in a higher power, but I do not pretend I know what he thinks or whether he is pleased with me. I also don't use him to win arguments about objectively reality by saying he's on my side.

>>25213348
I didn’t claim God is pleased with me, I’m saying that it wouldn’t bother me if every human hates me so long as God is pleased with me. We can only strive for God’s pleasure by doing things He likes that we know He likes based on our understanding of the religion He has revealed to us through his messengers and prophets (depending which religion, these are all common ideas though). It’s not about other people at all, it’s more of an antipathy towards the judgement of people. Of course I don’t want to upset people or be cruel or anything like that because that’d make me a bad person in front of God, so we try to treat others with compassion and understanding, make people happy, but also be an instrument in ridding the world of the merciless and the evil people

>>25213348
>i shift my definitions on things depending on what is most convenient
Classic anonymous!

>>25213325
I literally take Ritalin so don't try the "0w0 neurotypicals can't understand" bull. I work as an after-school tutor and you have no idea how obvious kids with neurodevelopmental disabilities are. It's not just a commitment to Truth, it's a level of dysfunction that impedes the progress of every other classmate around them. Autists think they're being innocent or but the reality is that you are probably outright hyperfocusing and ignoring obviously important verbal commands. There is a sensory need that you're unconsciously satisfying and you're not realizing that you're rubbing a film of Elmers onto every surface and no one has been able to use a pink crayon for weeks because it sets you into a full tantrum. Every game and craft ends up ruined and slowed because you mess up every step. That's the reason why most kids hate us. We live in our own oblivious worlds except the few times that people like you dein to shower the neurotypicals with condescension.

Honestly it wouldn't make me so mad if you guys could be 2% more aware or 10% less blissful about your sensory chasing. Cuz I just feel constantly restless from my brain shit and unhappy from the stress of knowing that restlessness is frustrating everyone else.

Ooooo this thread is not goood stop it!

>>25213325
>>25213370
The word "autist" is heavily overused. It's used very flippantly but most people who say they are autistic here are just unsocialized or being hyperbolic

>>25213359
>i didn't know words can have different meanings based on context

Actually, you did know, but you want to paint a specific picture and you're being obtuse on purpose. Classic normalfag!

>>25213358
What do you think of Gnosticism? I find their version of the common myths to be much more compelling. If we are ruled by a false god, then it makes sense why the world is so evil and why truth seekers are punished.

>>25213377
It’s a bit like gluten intolerance you’ve got all these people going around saying they’re celiacs but they’ve never been tested. Almost as annoying as vegetarians who eat eggs.
>>25213373
Correct

>>25213380
Gnostics have zero evidence. It’s a thought experiment, and it doesn’t hold up to personal experience where I’ve prayed to God and can feel (in a non sensory sense) God’s presence, so I know God is real I have no doubt, so if that’s true then the Gnostics are wrong

>>25213242
I dated an autistic and she lied all the time, she was just bad at it. An inability to persuasively deceive doesn't mean they prefer the truth any more than anyone else, and I'd bet that if you were better able to understand the mechanics of lying you'd do it a lot more often too.

>>25213385
No one has any evidence, if we're being honest. I just think their version of Genesis and stories in the bible makes much more sense. It's like the "normal" version deliberately lacks a vital piece of context that makes everything click. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's interesting. For whatever reason, Earth being a prison planet of trapped souls forever reincarnating and unable to escape material reality just hits differently than the usual God loves you stuff. Who knows...

>>25213387
>she lied all the time

That's just all women. She probably lied about being autistic, she was probably just low IQ and "autism" gave her a better excuse than being stupid.

>>25213387
This

>>25213389
>She probably lied about being autistic
I doubt it considering how resentful she was over the abolishment of ass burgers

>>25213401
That adds to my point about how some people treat these "disorders" as an identity. A genuine autist wouldn't care about this change if it more accurately aligned with the actual truth, but to this woman, it probably felt like the floor being pulled from under her, suddenly she doesn't know "who she is" anymore. "Identities" in general are very normalfag-coded, they are like ready made roles for them to enact that have certain advantages and disadvantages. Through experimentation, she eventually arrived at this "aspergers" identity which allowed her to get away with her usual bullshit and get people to treat her a certain way. "Identities" to the normalfag have nothing to do with true, inner essence, but rather they are simply roles with certain affordances in the social sphere.

>>25213419
for some reason I believe that you have autism and do not doubt it one bit

>>25211509
Haven’t heard of the book until OP’s post but started reading it and so far I like it. It explains why a couple overbearing retards at work can’t seem to learn anything new.

>>25213419
>A genuine autist wouldn't care about this change if it more accurately aligned with the actual truth
From where are you deriving this notion that autistic people are uniquely attached to the truth? It certainly isn't in any diagnostic manual. Socially, yes, autistic people have difficulty with socially complex forms of dissimulation (white lies, sarcasm, etc.). But this isn't because of any moral virtue. Just like anyone else, they will attempt to lie for their own benefit (often more brazenly). They will lie to themselves. They will develop delusions. They will form beliefs for dumb reasons. They are not angels. They're human beings like anyone else. The people I've interacted with aren't failed normies but bona fide obvious unmistakeable autists. Just look at any lolcow.

>>25213380
That’s exactly the kind of mind-reading you’re accusing me of. You’re assigning intent to paint me as arguing in bad faith. Fucking lol.

>>25213423
Thanks for affirming my identity, anon. Yeah, I'm quite quirky and aggressive with my opinions haha. *whips out his uncut dick to masturbate* Oh, am I being inappropriate right now? Ah geez, silly me, I get all the social cues confused. I always celebrate with a fap when I dominate an argument.

>>25213434
>It certainly isn't in any diagnostic manual.

Indeed it isn't. You should read the book, it has better diagnostic criteria.

>>25213437
I think you find the idea that autistic people are morally superior gratifying (because you are autistic) and so you have developed the belief that autists are more attached to the truth than normalfags. Unfortunately, nothing can disabuse you of this notion. Because you are motivated, just like anyone else, to hold onto beliefs that make you feel good.

OP have you had sex or desire sex.

>>25213242
Genuine autists worship anthropomorphic colorful hedgehogs inflating their bellies and other deranged fantasies. You have invented this redefinition of the word "autist" to see yourself as the enlightened and misunderstood paragon of the Truth, unjustly terrorized by evil and dumb "normies", and not a mentally retarded (in the most literal, medical sense) wreck that cannot perform basic human functions. You probably aren't even autistic at all, and just use the word as a label to fit into an internet subculture and justify being a loser by self-victimization. Never post on my board ever again.

>>25213441
No, I'm keenly aware of such traps. I don't think that these ideas are only compelling to me just because it happens to paint some noble picture of me. It just mirrors a lot of observations I've had over the years and offers the best explanation. Through my adolescence and early adulthood, I used to believe all the usual memes about lacking "social skills", but it didn't match reality. I was often much more empathetic than other people, I could often understand much better what was happening around me, read people's emotions and intentions, yet because I choose not to conform and adapt to the social truth, I was treated like shit by other people and made to believe there was something wrong with me. Normalfags are quick to turn the tables on you and make out to be a bad guy, a narcissist, a moralist, or some other bad symbol that evokes a bad emotion, simply because they won't admit to what's really happening underneath the surface. Maybe the have completely repressed it, or maybe it's just not proper to talk about these things, some secret agreement between them.

>>25213442
I've never had sex. I do desire it because I'm not asexual, but I'm just not willing to go through all the hoops to get it. At the very least, I would have to mask really well and pass all the usual normalfag checks. Also, other people treat sex too casually, ideally I would want to do it with someone that I love and loves me, but I've become somewhat disillusioned with the concept of love over the years. It seems to me that women do not really "love" men in the way we love them, and most men are used for their resources and status. A few times I've even observed that women will outright reward evil men and that they greatly enjoy seeing men dominate, humiliate, even kill each other. Most women also don't seem to share my values, they worship social truth. If I go full schizo, I might even say that sex itself is just a trap by the demiurge to force more souls into this pit of suffering.

>>25213179
I've lied to normies about stuff because I was worried they wouldn't understand my reasoning for why I did something. Like my mom doesn't understand computers and thinks downloading movie rips gives you viruses.

>>25213131
Yes, I had a similar experience among human beings, although I don't know if it's related to autism or not (I don't know nor wish to know whether I have autism). I think it's an impairment, your brain fails to perform the automatic processes required for communication, so instead you watch it from outside. It comes with greater clarity than the people experiencing it from inside have, but I don't think it's worth it.

>>25213486
I genuinely don't mean to be insulting but this is rather an adolescent worldview. That's not to say there is no truth at all to what you're saying - or that there are not, perhaps, respects in which a person may be superior to his peers. But it reminds me strongly of the delusions of superiority I had when I was a socially stunted 13 year old.

>>25213499
I get it, "that's just the way the world is, you're only figuring that out NOW? how banal". It's just another tactic to shutdown any kind of discussion about these things. I don't want to play these stupid games and pretend I'm a "mature adult" because I can suppress my instinct for justice and truth. I will stay an naïve adolescent till the day I die then. Fuck normalfags.

>>25211509
learning styles probably aren't real

>>25213512
No, you misunderstood me. I'm not saying "that's just the way the world is." I'm saying you have a warped and superficial view of human life - essentially, that you are in error. You have not seriously considered the fact that other people might have rational, understandable ways for behaving in the ways they do. You lack curiosity about other people and have formed rigid beliefs about them. I am encouraging you to be humble - not because I think you ought to conform (in fact, I would like you to be a confident, self-assured, superior individual) but because your arrogance has stunted your perception of human life, and is therefore limiting your ability to engage with the world and master it.

>>25213521
Sorry, but this is just typical normalfag gaslighting. If you dare criticize any part of society or typical normalfag behavior, you are simply missing the bigger picture sweetie. There is nothing complex about what they are doing. I'm done ascribing good intentions to their evil acts. I do not want to be a "confident", "self-assured", "superior individual", because the price is selling my soul and pretending that 2+2=5. Anxiety and depression are natural reactions to this dogshit existence. I do not want to be a normalfag that never doubts himself and adapts to an evil world just to get some pats on the back from people like you that pretend to be your "friend".

>>25213546
I don't want you to be a normalfag, retard. I want you to be yourself. I'm saying you should stop believing in falsehoods.

>>25213486
>I was often much more empathetic than other people, I could often understand much better what was happening around me, read people's emotions and intentions
wow sounds like you're not autistic at all, normalfag

>>25213179
Kant was likely autistic.
I am too (i have literal ISP documentation) but ive only written a fraction of what he's written.

>>25213292
You've never met any autistic person, ever if you think that.

>>25213561
lamest no true scotsman ever
"my group is good. if you met a bad member of my group, they weren't"

>>25213325
>It's just another facet of the normalfag gaslighting strategy to paint specific pictures about undesirables and repeat them until they become socially true. This makes it easy to dismiss anyone that might identify themselves as autistic because you're basically admitting you are this silly stupid borderline criminally socially oblivious fool that does whacky stuff, that's been spread through the shared web of symbols
Doesn't Peter L Berger talk about this "calcification" of ideas?

>>25213556
Exactly, I'm not "autistic" (the caricature of the clueless idiot that doesn't know you shouldn't masturbate in public), I'm "autistic" (a truth seeker, superior to normalfag hivemind scum, that refuses to conform or obey authority. yes, i'm better than you actually. superior both morally and spiritually.)

Hope that clears it up!

>>25213567
why does this feel like you're doing a bad parody of me from 5 years ago

leave me alone

>>25213387
Women don't usually have pure autism, its usually mixed with bpd and bipolar and whatnot. Which brings me to another question, why are people so hellbent on eradicating autism when bpd is a bigger menace?

>>25213567
What truths have you discovered?

>>25213486
You remind me of another autistic friend i used to know. Allegedly most autistics don't get along with one another (as i said my diagnosis was in 1990 when few had heard of it) but he was very obsessed with archons.

>>25213575
well we know he found out that he's smarter and more honest than the rest of us

>>25213564
I'm sure you'd say the same about your specific in-group so lets not throw rocks in glass houses here!

>>25213575
If you imagine yourself as a "truthseeker" the reality of being a retard becomes slightly less burdensome

>ITT: autists cope that autism is a superpower and not a disability
NGMI.

>>25213581
Nah. I'm a faggot, and I'm quite happy being one, but there are a lot of intolerable faggots

>only one actual book recommendation

Okay people, let's get with the program. We've established I am better than you and ganging up on me with your superior numbers isn't going to work. I need more books to fuel my superior intellect, not your petty kvetching.

>>25213587
I'm gonna cope a feel of your mom's big jugs

>>25213589
Ah, people like you deserve to die. Hate faggots. You're all the same.

>>25213567
>truth seeker
Did you discover that socks with the stitches on top instead of in front of your toes and undershirts with printed tags instead of stitched are less likely to break your world?

>>25213595
Ummm, fags wrote the Western canon sweetie

>>25213598
So?

>>25213592
>autistic
>randomly gropes old women in public
Checks out.

>>25213600
*glomps you*

>>25213601
Your mother spends most of her life on her back so she's fair game.

>>25213609
>autistic
>stims by repeating the same thing
>0 creativity
Checks out.

>>25213591
Ahem? Ding ding ding ding, this is the social cue to execute your part of the social script, norm-kun. When someone asks for book recommendations, you give them recommendations! We've gone over this dozens of times and you still don't get it...

>>25213613
Your mother and I enjoy various sex positions so we can definitely get creative

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>>25213614
>When someone asks for book recommendations, you give them recommendations!
NTA

>>25213616
Maybe if your mother had given up being a whore before turning 40 you wouldn't be autistic, lol.

>>25213617
Thanks, I'll check it out. I like the cover, it's exactly how I feel when I dunk on normos and reveal their petty social games for fun. Perhaps I'm the Übermensch that Nietzsche was talking about, transcending the normalfag value system. The normalfag is closer to the ape than to the Ubermensch (me).

>>25213622
Oh don't make this about me, this is all you. Did I tell you when the stench of your mother's depends fills the air, I can feel my rod stiffening and growing, the smell of human waste from female geriatrics just does it for me.

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ok fine OP, this might go well with your autism book. The case Jung makes here is that a lot of social and political issues stem from the average individual being both unaware of his unconscious, and unconsciously acting on instinct without understanding why. Autismos by default are more self conscious and lack the ability of abstraction that keep a lot of "normalfags" acting unconsciously.

>>25213633
>tl;dr
Brevity is the soul of wit, autist.

>>25213627
I'm sorry you got the extensive knowledge of Sonic the Hedgehog lore instead of the good at math autism, anon.

>>25213553
Not they guy you're replying to but it would be a lot easier to understand your position if you explained it. What's this guy mental distortion and why is it wrong?

>>25211509
The Naked Ape by Desmond Morris

>>25213641
>lack the ability of abstraction that keep a lot of "normalfags" acting unconsciously.
If anything normal fags cant into the abstract

>>25213668
fuck you I'm leaving this thread have fun talking to yourself gaylord

>>25213673
Kek my last post was like 20 posts ago

>>25213641
Thanks for the genuine recc, anon. I wonder if Jung's path of individuation takes into account "autists" at all. Jung considers the "persona" a healthy and necessary part of maturation, yet this external mask is so contrary to my nature that any attempt to develop it brings about more symptoms than it cures. Perhaps the "autism" I'm referring to is handled somehow by his Personality Types, someone with an extreme preference for Thinking over Feeling, but I think the differences between me and other people run much deeper. It's hard to take any of this psychology crap seriously when they fundamentally use "normalfags" as their base model of a healthy individual.

>>25213652
It's funny because you have well-respected individuals writing PhDs on some fictional character from a classic work of art and no one bats an eye, simply because in the shared web of symbols, these works have gained "importance" and people think you're an intellectual for being able to write such a deep analysis of these characters. Yet, Sonic The Hedgehog, who is as deep and interesting of a character as any other from Shakespeare or Homer, he gets no love, no respect! Perhaps in 200 years we will have Sonic scholars writing dissertations on the meaning of speed in the 21st century or some other such drivel.

It goes without saying that I do not give a single fuck what normalfags find important because it's as arbitrary as the shape of my turd in the toilet after a good morning bowel movement.

>>25213667
Thank you, thank you. Do you have insights from it that you could share?

>>25213515
bit in this

>>25211509
That book in particular is pretty good but still really basic. A good follow-up would be literature on transactional analysis
>Games people play
>Thomas Harris - I'm okay, you're okay
>Eric Berne - What do you say after you say hello

Also if you're autistic, your biggest flaw is probably group dynamics and neurotypical tribal bullshitery. Most books about this are self help so you're fucked I have no other recommendation here than a psychology textbook
>Donelson Forsyth - Group Dynamics (latest edition)
The first chapters are mostly methodology, skip it and go get the content and paper reviews.

Still you could benefit from developing some tact and not hurt every ego in a 100 km radius (i.e. the responses to this thread lul)
> Marshal Rosenberg - Nonviolent communication
>Cialdini - Influence
>Chris Voss - Never split the difference
These three are kind of a meme self help reading lost but the bullshit stated within their pages works and they are short and super easy to read

/lit/ is shit nowadays, not a single intelligent post here
Retards get out of my board

>>25213714
>sperg
Lol

>>25213714
Jung stresses several times in the book that as a therapist each patient should be treated as a complete individual, that each case is different, and that not all techniques work uniformly for all people. I'm no Jung expert but I don't think he'd recommend masking if it causes you harm.

>>25213714
>Do you have insights from it
I just remember groups of young men being heterosexual and expressing masculinity in an almost gang-like way. Read the book! Its dated, sure, but I think it's still worthwhile and it's exactly what you're looking for.

>>25213738
Also the author wrote a book called The Human Animal which is much more recent and was famously read by the Aryan Brotherhood leadership in the movie Shot Caller (which you should also watch).

>>25213169
We are.
That's why you come here to talk to us. It's refreshing.

>>25213179
Bullshit. Autists are just too retarded to read social cues and adjust to the situation. They try to lie too, but they don't understand that in order to lie successfully, the other person can't find out the truth. They can't intuit whag others can know or feel. There's as much difference between a real person with internal monologue and a normalfag as there is between a normalfag and an autist.

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It's kind of sad that autists have an intense need to feel that their disability makes them special. They continually display a profound lack of maturity and you can tell the fact they're missing out on so much always haunts the periphery of their limited awareness.

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>>25213794
Thanks, I had some doubt about my theory before I posted the thread, but based on the amount of pushback I got from the hivemind, it makes me think more than ever that I'm on the right track. The demiurge sent his strongest soldiers to demoralize me and they all failed.

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OP read this asap

The myth that autists have an enhanced ability to read the world, due to a strong defect in their ability to process it, is not unlike the myth that they blind have heightened senses that make up for their lack of sight. Although the blind may learn to use hearing in ways that aren't apparent to those that can see the fact is an autist has a defective brain and cannot fathom the experience of others. Imaging they're immune to propaganda, while latching on to obvious nonsense like a disability being a superpower, may be funny but the fact is the autist is forever incapable of being in on the joke.

>I think you find the idea that autistic people are morally superior gratifying (because you are autistic) and so you have developed the belief that autists are more attached to the truth than normalfags. Unfortunately, nothing can disabuse you of this notion. Because you are motivated, just like anyone else, to hold onto beliefs that make you feel good.
>No, I'm keenly aware of such traps. I don't think that these ideas are only compelling to me just because it happens to paint some noble picture of me. It just mirrors a lot of observations I've had over the years and offers the best explanation.
Golden. Just golden.

>>25213885
I've read it several times already. The MC is more of an example of an emotionless schizoid rather than someone with autism. I don't think Meursault cares about the truth one way over the other, which is why I think he still had some social success, he still went along with people's bullshit despite not feeling anything inside. I also don't relate to him at all, I would still feel bad about my mother dying and killing a man.

>>25213131
>some people act a certain way therefore everyone without autism is this way
Is the author autistic by any chance?

>>25213927
So you're mad at meursault because he's more autistic than you actually. Interesting

>>25213964
Yeah, I got looney tunes smoke coming out of my ears. Get lost, lil bro.

>>25213951
He is a truth seeker, yes.

>>25213970
Meursault did literally nothing wrong and you display your own lack of empathy by denying him his feelings. Do you not remember him wanting to weep from being so hated and misunderstood? And you're wrong that he just went along with others when if that were the case he'd surely have repented to the priest, knowing it would save his life. He literally died for what he believed to be the truth

>>25213991
He lied to lure his abusive friend's mistress and then later lied to the police to save his ass again. Of course, a normalfag would find a way to socially justify this to himself, saying that so-and-so deserved it, had it coming for such-and-such, but Meursault simply does it out of indifference. Like I said, he doesn't care about the truth, it's not one of his fundamental values. This is partly why he had social success because he went along with other people's lies when it wasn't too terribly inconvenient to him.

Sorry, it just doesn't fit the "autist" archetype we've been discussing in this thread. I wouldn't call Meursault a normalfag, but his major dysfunction so-to-speak is much different.

>truth seeker
Imagine using that phrase, lol.

>>25213423
He is making great points and you are just doing the typical hater thing of Job's friends saying 'no ur wrong social consensus blah blah you're just imagining it, it's not real blah blah.'

>>25214004
What's wrong with it? I'm guessing that it gives you a bad feeling because somewhere in your shared web of symbols, being too confident in one's own ideas is painted as bad, especially without the necessary social proof (degrees and other such marks of good goydom).

>>25213570
>>25213584
>>25213613
These are lame, nothing replies but OP's 'ur mom' responses are also terrible

>>25214012
Nta but how do you seek truth when it's subjective?

>>25214021
Because it's not? Simple as.

>>25214012
>he doesn't know
LOL!

>>25213325
human behavior is part of objective reality, autist are terrible at discerning it.
Therefore autist are fundamentally flawed as truth seekers.

>>25214026
If two people see a woman and one thinks she is ugly while the other thinks she is pretty, is one of them necessarily wrong or does personal perspective make the truth of her beauty subjective, based on the viewer?

>>25214041
>autist are terrible at discerning it.

We've already established that this is a silly caricature by normalfags. We are actually much better at discerning reality, we simply chose not to play along with the bullshit social games and adherence to social truth. On the surface it appears that the autist has missed the "social cue", but in reality he's aware of it, he just chooses not to respond in the socially prescribed way. Normalfags think the only reason you don't act like them is because you didn't know you were supposed to.

>>25214045
This is just a pseudo problem. If you define beauty a certain way, you end up with such retarded ideas as "subjective" truth. In reality, you can talk about physical features and people can talk about whether these features arouse in them sexual or aesthetic emotions, which they can compare internally and therefore rank objects as more or less "beautiful". If two people have different rankings or disagree on what emotions an object arouses, they are both objectively correct about their own experience. Beauty doesn't exist outside of one's own experience, but we could perhaps agree to have a global ranking of what is the most beautiful thing by determining how many people report a positive reaction to it. That could be one possible measure, but you see that it all depends on how you define such nebulous concepts like beauty.

>>25211509
>Redditors don't seem to like it at all
I have a hard time believing that based on the title, subtitle, and cover art

>>25213131
One thing that this particular strain of autist has in common with the typical normie is that they both fucking love to suck themselves off

>>25214062
>We've already established that this is a silly caricature by normalfags
Not if you need to read a book to understand things normal people know by instinct.
>On the surface it appears that the autist has missed the "social cue", but in reality he's aware of it, he just chooses not to respond in the socially prescribed way. Normalfags think the only reason you don't act like them is because you didn't know you were supposed to.
this is cope, the autist I have interacted with needed to be told about social clues, after which they would try to fit in with them. Reactions like "how was I supposed to know X" were far more common than "I knew I was supposed to do X but chose not to"

>>25214066
I thought out of all places, a literature board wouldn't judge a book by it's cover.

>they both fucking love to suck themselves off
In a typical normalfag fashion, you reject ideas purely on the basis of how they are presented. The speaker did not show enough humility, ah, sorry bud that's an "ick" for me. This type of snap judgement is why normalfags excel in speed of processing, it's all shallow split second impressions vs the autists depth which requires time and effort to properly process. Thanks for adding to my suitcase of evidence.

>>25214073
The "autist" you interacted was probably just a low IQ normalfag, masquerading as an autist. To real autists, it's very obvious what the normalfag is waiting for, we know the script, it's just cringe and we don't want to participate in your gay hivemind.

>>25214062
>they are both objectively correct about their own experience
That's called subjectivity lol

>>25214031
What a bad poster you are

>>25214041
"Autists" who can't understand people are limited. But I identify with what OP said and do understand people just fine.

>>25214087
I hate these word games. But I guess if a normalfag claimed that such and such a thing aroused some specific emotion in him, I wouldn't feel the need to argue with him about his internal experience. I might only disagree with him if he claimed to feel disgust, but externally he was showing signs of something else. Otherwise, I do not care for the normalfag's internal experience, if he even has one to begin with, which is debatable the longer this discussion goes on.

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>>25214077
>They weren't actually real autist!
Langage is decriptive, if your definition of autist doesn't include most people diagnosed with it it's a bad definition.
And if normal people are so obvious, what use is OP's book.

>>25214094
Not sure what (you) get out of coming here to pretend to be a "seeker of truth" but good luck.

>>25214066
It's impossible to explain to an autist that their reality testing is off, anon. They lack the cognitive tools to see the world outside themselves and the cope they develop related to such is equivalent to ideological possession. You're basically trying to explain to a hungry retard that he can't eat candy.

>>25214100
It's almost as if I find discussing ideas compelling for its own sake. No karma system, no pussy as reward for winning, I mean, what's the point? The normalfag mind cannot fathom the truth seeker.

>>25214090
And what a cope filled faggot you are, lol.

>truth seeker
Reddit.

>>25214105
Yeah i troll people to generate discussion too. I guess maybe that's all youre doing. Have fun.

>>25214002
He did his bro a favor to get back at the woman who was cheating on him. How was Meursault to know he'd would beat her? He also didn't lie when he testified that she cheated, since he did truly believe she was based on what he was told. You might not like it, but morality is not totally objective, and not everyone has the same values. Nothing he did in the book conflicted with his own values and that's why it's the truth.

>>25214110
I need to hire an advertisement company to re-brand. Truth seeker has too many bad associations in the normalfag's shared web of symbols. We need to find a way to associate truth seeking with sex, money, power and most importantly, fitting in.

>>25214111
Nah, I'm dead serious about this shit. I would gladly sacrifice 100 normalfags to save one genuine autist. Imagine the trolley problem with that set up, I'd be pulling the level each time and saving the autist.

>>25214116
Well, at least the woman did get beaten. That's always worth a white lie once in a while.

>>25214121
You're boring.

>>25214116
NTA but the stranger character was just a blank. He's nothing like what Op is describing. When did he care about truth or what was right in the face of mass disapproval? What he did made no sense to anyone, including himself. It was just random and meaningless.

>>25214121
Getting in slap fights with these people demeans you and diminishes your posts

>>25214121
>>25214136
Samefag

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>>25214139
Why would he samefag to criticize himself, genius?

>>25213131
What I like about my male friends is that we hang out, we drink beer, we talk shit, tell jokes, and go home. There's one ultranormie who tries to dictate social dynamics but it's fairly easy to undermine it by being headstrong in your own view of the world.

Female colleagues behave exactly as you've described them here. They talk shit about me behind my back, they talk shit about each other behind each other's back, they often stab each other in the back just to have something to talk about. One of them did wrong by me a few years ago, and I pointed it out. Their collective response was to band together and lie in unison, but because I have an autistic memory, I listed out all the evidence I had to disprove the lie and it noticeably weakened their effort. They still continued to lie in face of overwhelming evidence, but there was no confidence in their voice and they knew I knew they were full of shit. I'm not even autistic, I just have no respect for people who cheat to get ahead.

>>25214149
nice shoop faglord

>>25214149
>Why would he samefag to criticize himself, genius?
Do autists have any other option? Lol.

>>25214168
What is that supposed to mean. You are saying nobody criticizes autists? So they have to do it themselves? huh?

>>25214175
Here we have a prime exemple of the autist inaility to understand subtext. Which is part of reality and therefore makes them poor truth seekers.

>>25213806
>The demiurge sent his strongest soldiers to demoralize me and they all failed
>thinks /lit/sissies are the strongest anything
what a grand and intoxicating innocence

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>>25213131
>I am hyper rational. I see things for how they really are, without any perceptual filters. I follow the capital T “Truth” where these blind sheep are merely herded by false truths
Self-awareness deficiency is a bitch.

>>25214175
>predictable response
No, autist. I made a joke by alluding to the fact autists lack theory of mind when it comes to others and, thereby, you're incapable of comprehending criticism from others. This is why, despite years of bullying, you're still a sperg.

>>25214190
Yes, being under socialized will indeed make it difficult to understand the minds of others. And going outside will help!

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>>25213131
>fatcepetence.... FOR MEN
you have a disability retard
you are less able to perceive social cues than your peers.

there is nothing noble or enlightened about this, any more than there is about being a landwhale, or being 5'1" or having a 4 inch dick.

you may have other redeeming qualities, or you may have gotten fucked by rng.

it is what it is.
don't be such a coping "thin people iz demonz" fatceptence activist about it.

>>25214223
>This thing here is just the same as this other thing because both can be perceived as... LAME
>And you don't want to be lame, do you?

Wow, riveting stuff from the normalfag crowd tonight.

>>25214251
>I'm a subhuman who cannot understand core facets of the human experience
>This must mean I am a genius surrounded by apes
typical autist

>>25214260
>If I misrepresent him as the big bad guy, I win

Typical normalfag. This shit worked in high school but there are no tables on the free internet marketplace of ideas. Now scooch over and let me sit. Listen when an autist is speaking and you might learn something.

>>25214269
NTA but why do you act as rational when you have been spouting irrational nonsense all day long itt. You may not deserve the ad hominems but you certainly aren't a "good person" (whatever that means for you) or more devoted to the truth than the people you've been arguing with. You could learn a little humility for a change

>>25214274
>why do you act as rational
I could've written this better. I mean why do you put on the whole "more rational than thou" act. Hope you did get the message, anyway

>>25214223
This.
>>25214274
>You may not deserve the ad hominems
He definitely does.

>>25214269
You aren't the "bad guy" you are just stupid in very particular ways.
You will never be able to understand the mind of others the way normal people can without effort, the same way a blind man can't understand color.

Being unable to discuss things and turning everything into a slapfight is a really shitty trait, "normie" or autist. You are all ruining a potentially interesting discussion. As normal.

>>25214274
I reply in good faith when they reply in good faith. Simple as.

It's just amusing to me. I headshot one normalfag, then another spawns in with the same opinion. They truly act like a hivemind and they get really uppity when they think they have the upper hand in numbers. "Everyone in the thread agrees you're BAD, we WIN" and I laugh in their face. They truly are silly little creatures when they are outside of meatspace where they have an advantage. I can run circles around them online because they can't form a coherent thought to save their life, they just repeat their little stock phrases.

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>>25211509
God Almighty can the neurodiversity squad make a single fucking analogy between them and normalfags that isn't "we are le aliens and they are le earthlings!"
t. OCD

>>25214291
>I'M WINNING IN MY OWN MIND!!!
Lol, autist.

>>25213567
I think /x/ would be more your speed than /lit/.

>>25214062
lmao the defining characteristic of autists is that they aren't aware of their unawareness
I can guarantee you have extreme faults you don't even suspect, and they were probably the cause of you getting bullied in school

>>25214269
Woah, nice redirecting. Now engage properly woth his post and refute him.

>>25214095
What is the autist supposed to answer? Do they say the box because the marble was moved there even though Sally doesn't know and autists can't put themselves in other people's shoes?
Is this like the low IQ breakfast thing?

>>25213131
thats literally me, i'm not an autist but never thought of myself as a normalfag

>>25214724
It's a theory of mind thing. Young children will say the box, since they don't understand other people have their own set of knowledge and experience.

>this thread
There is a difference between autistic and unlikable, you can't all have high functioning autism...

>>25213135
>dogshit vaguepost
Kill yourself, newfag NIGGER.

OP here. I spent a little more time thinking and after sleeping on it, I just want to say that there is no doubt in my mind that I am correct. None of you managed to dissuade me one bit from my beliefs or mission yesterday.

Nonetheless, let's go over the typical responses I've received
>you're not a truth seeker, you only want to appear as such
This is simply the normalfag projecting his own inner workings. Because the normalfag does everything for the sake of being perceived a certain way, he automatically assumes that this is what everyone else does too. He cannot fathom that one might value the Truth for its own sake. Even if I wanted to only appear as a truth seeker, we've already established that there is no social benefit to appearing as such. It will make you extremely unpopular and an open target of the hivemind if you decide to go against any established social truths. It's essentially social suicide and one derives zero benefit from it.
>you're not a truth seeker, because you are mistaken about the truth. the truth is, after all, very difficult to know.
Again, the normalfag reveals his inner workings. The normalfag needs the hivemind in order to know what to think and feel. Without guidance from an external force, he is completely lost and would quickly lose touch with where up or down is without reassurance from others. He instinctively believes that the Truth is something inaccessible to him, he delegates this difficult task to experts, authority figures, good friends or perhaps those slightly higher in the pecking order than him. He does not realize that the Truth is the most obvious thing there is, it's hidden in plain sight, one only needs courage to accept it.
>ok well, you are a truth seeker, but have you realized that ummm this makes you extremely uncool and unlikeable?
Yes, I have. And so be it. I do not want to be well liked by normalfags, in fact, I am suspicious whenever they do show a liking to me, it means I unknowingly perpetuated some injustice or falsehood. If the hivemind looks favorably to you, you are doing something wrong.

>>25215076
you should definitely keep believing that you're the best and smartest and most honest person in the world

>>25214698
This is another common response.
>truth seeker? but i was made to believe that autists were clueless idiots that masturbate in public, you must be mistaken.
We've already established that the normalfag is prone to painting undesirables as sick or disordered. The most prominent meme about autism is that we are somehow clueless idiots that don't know what's going on in the "complex" social world, that we cannot lie or bully when presented with the social cue to do so. In reality, the autist is far more empathetic, far more understanding of reality, but he is continually gaslighted by the hivemind when he points out the truth. This leads to many autists to develop incredible self-doubt and distrust their own instincts and perception. In reality, the normalfag lies, cheats and steal as easily as he breathes, so he pities the autist for not being able to do so as easily, he mistakes being good natured and truth seeking as fundamental incompetence, rather than a sign of a strong moral character.

>>25215087
>the normalfag is prone to painting undesirables as sick or disordered.
hello what is self awareness

>>25211509
Ironically, autists root for thruth because they are "blind" toward all this social interactions normal people have - their brains are physically underwired, built-in perception conversion mechanisms don't work - so only logical-visual-audio nformation goes in, but not emotional-social - all of that only forms from "logical knowledge" about all that applied to one's own emotions.
Which is why all this communications for autist look like normal people just spit out gibberish all the time by default. And even for autist, that has "logical" knowledge about poses/mimics/positioning etc all this "hidden channels" are still a normalfag "telepathy" - and data from this communications can be percepted only through an "unnatural" crutch of "observe face for years and years - write down positions of his mouth corners, eye corners, hand actions, arms positions etc, etc in a huge table to correllate with his known emotional states/socio-economical situations/relationship with various people - have really slow-working partially incorrect table to refer to". Partially such table is created in the head through pattern recognition, but it will take decades to make it even somewhat reliable, only for people autist had interacted with often and only if that autist had an intention to study people in this particular way at all. And because "normal" mechanisms don't work for an autist, he does not enjoy the process (and the process is also a very fatigue-inducing one) - so in most cases he will just consider normalfags to be weird, retarded and not worthy of the attention as a result.
And in logical thruth autist can navigate easily because it is the only thing autist have in terms of communicating with everything else outside of his own mind - and his mind is partially formed by this interactions, partially - by "magical" rituals, that had worked for him and thus are the truth too until something would bring logical proof, that this particular ritual is not - which a) should include the truthful (logically) description of how all components work and their structures and logically correct description of actual interactions and why the ritual is a coincidence or doesn't work at all and b) to overcome "everything is possible as long as there is a possibility of existing of subsystems we just can't detect yet" statement.
But outside of that rituals direct logic is a must. Not to mention perception differences of pain, light brightness and (in case of flickering) frequency, sound frequencies, rhytms, how separate words, voices, speeches, intonations are percepted and associated and so on.
Autists are for the thruth because everything else directly impares them very hard - so "socializing" normalfags having fun and affecting each other are just a sea of chaos for autists, that mostly fucks everything up and, even when completing something, completes no more that the half of what should have been done - with disastrous results for the initial idea.

>>25215134
Having some issues parsing your post, you should try splitting off paragraphs rather than putting everything into one giant word salad.

Anyway, I see that there is this repetition of the idea that autists cannot read normalfags because their social dances are so incredibly complex. I do not think this is the case, they are often very easy to read, the problem for me arises when I have to respond and invest emotional labor into the "right" reaction. The theatrics of socializing is beyond tedious to me. Yes, normie, I see that you are telling me a "funny" story that happened to you, it's up to me to show enthusiasm and laugh at your punchlines, despite none of your jokes being funny. "And then I said, no, my wife is at the cleaners haha" and the normie waits for a reaction, "Get it? She's at the cleaners? haha". It would be easy for the normalfag to assume that I didn't get the joke or that I didn't know people laughed when they found something funny or that I didn't know the right social script or I missed the cue when I was supposed to do my reaction, but in reality, it's just profound tiredness of having to react at all. Indeed, there is a difference in brain wiring, the normalfag finds the reaction itself its own reward, it's not about a message lost in translation, but rather the pay off from communicating is different. Truthful communication is rewarding to me, for the normalfag, the truth is secondary to... whatever it is that they get out of this exaggerated emoting towards others.

One thing that I find interesting about your post is the paragraph that mentions "magical" rituals which rings some truth bells in my head but I cannot articulate why yet. Could you elaborate more on that? It rings true to me because I do often have certain "magical beliefs" that are on paper quite strange, yet for whatever reason they "work", observations keep confirming them, but they are on paper quite irrational and I do not often share them with others because I have to logically-rational justification for them beyond some personal experiences.

>>25215076
>there is no doubt in my mind that I am correct
nice "truth seeking" lmao

>>25215160
Nice zinger, normie. Is this the part where the imaginary audience laughs like in your sitcoms?

>>25215087
You keep saying you've established these points, but you haven't, at all. You just claimed them. And they go squarely against the personal experience of almost all the people who have replied to you.

>>25211509
>normalfags
>autists
>"Truth" seekers
I'm tired boss. ENOUGH WITH THE CLOWNS!

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>>25215159
>because their social dances are so incredibly complex.
Nah, it's just that autists have a disability. It's not complex at all.

>>25215159
So according to you, any time someone laughs to another's story it's just because it's a 'social ritual', and not because they found it funny?

>>25215171
Repeating myself is tiring. Read the entire reply chain if you want to understand the context of when I say that "we've already established" something. There are many misconceptions or outright retarded caricatures about autistic people, yes, even from the mental health establishment that writes professional diagnostic manuals. They've all missed the mark hard. Repeating these memes ad infinitum does not make them true. I also explained why the normalfag's personal experience with "autists" shouldn't be trusted, because your understanding is already colored by misconceptions, you label any social idiot an autist even though "typical autistic behavior" is more often exhibited by low IQ normalfags.

>>25215183
Of course not, but there is an expectation of some emotional exchange that is always forced in normalfag interaction. The normalfag's entire world view seems to collapse if you do not emote the right way. Anon, I handed you a present, why are you not smiling and being happy? There is an expectation of some emotional payoff that I am depriving them of, and the normalfag is not very capable of modeling other people that are not like them, so they think that the reaction is missing because I didn't know I was supposed to give it, rather than I simply wasn't feeling it.

autismos mixing up normal people with NPCs again baka

>>25215190
I guess it's easy if you redefine autism as just the characteristics you think you have.

>>25215199
Yeah, it's easy when you deconstruct a false idea of autism and replace it with the truth.

>>25215159
On rituals i shall only give you a religion example - if a soul is imperceptible, a human can have soul and human is a living being, animal can have soul too. More than that, if soul is imperceptible and doesn't depend on physical body nor physical thinking, than everything can have soul.
If soul can have memories and thoughts, then, even if they are affected by physical processes and hormonal regulations of a body of a human, then soul can have them even without a body of a human.
And if everything can have soul and soul can have thoughts and emotions anyway - everything can have soul and can think and feel emotions.
And this is not provable nor disprovable until a clear and precise workings ofthe universe will be unearthed in its full and complete way, so all limitations would be fully clear and could be traced within those workings - and, apparently, humanity is so far from that point, this idea might or might not be a correct one - partially "supported" by your psychological/spiritial(?) experience, that might or might not be only a physiological-chemical-physical processes or actially works with otherwise unperceptable soul.
And if this idea can be correct, than affecting soul and other souls can indirectly affect those, that have souls. And from here you get rituals.
Mind you, soul is not the only potentially existing/nonexisting system, just one of the most spoken about - and therefore one of the most well-known AND as a result can affect at least other minds of humans in purely psychological way, that may or may not be also incorporating technically otherwise imperceptable soul and souls interactions.
Which in reality leads to "i did thing A it had "worked" for some reason and had apparently led to thing B in 1/5/10/50/so far 100% of cases, so even if i don't know its inner working there is no reason not to consider it to be the truth until disproven". And the more complex potential systems you can think of, the greater is the chance, that you'll adopt such a system because as long as you don't know all the limitations of a system you can't know nor all cases when it wouldn't work nor if it can has "bugs" in it.
Of course, there is always "can't see - doesn't exist" approach, but radiowaves, radiation, a truckload of stars and galaxies you can't see without supertelescopes and even continents of America tend to refute this approach.

>>25215203
lmao NTA but your definition of truth is literally just whatever you personally believe and has no actual bearing on reality anymore than any normalfag's

>>25215177
I truly do wonder if all the normalfag emotive reactions are genuine, or whether they find it so easy to generate them completely from nothing. From their perspective, they just come about automatically, they probably do not consciously think about them, a sufficiently "socialized" normalfag can no longer even tell if his emotional reactions are "genuine" or an automatic fulfillment of some expected social script. You give the shopkeeper money in exchange for goods, you also give the normalfag his due by emoting.

>>25215207
go away and don't come back until you've read jung you huge fag

>>25215206
It's honestly so sad to see such a deluded person as this OP.

>>25215207
You're just making me sad now. You don't even know what you're missing out on.
Making fun of you isn't all that fun anymore.

>>25215214
Relinquishing your consciousness to the hivemind must be quite ecstatic. What does it feel like to be part of an amorphous blob of humanoid automatons?

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>>25215217
>smokes weed for the first time

>>25215219
I never really understood alcohol, weed and other toxic chemicals that normalfags like to ingest. I think the function of these substances is to "turn off" what little is left of the person's true awareness and make it easier to join the hivemind.

>>25215224
yeah we get it, you're a fuckin dork

>>25215226
Truth seeking ain't easy or cool, but someone's gotta do it.

>>25215224
Autists dont have an inner monologue?

>>25215228
it all amounts to fart huffing when you're too busy hating to enjoy your life. have fun being a gay miserable loser grasping at abstract concepts like "truth" that you don't even understand

>>25215237
You wouldn't get it, normo. All the carnal pleasure and respect from normalfags is nothing compared to knowing what's actually Truly True. It all pales in comparison to that.

>>25215240
then why are u so mad lol

Hey OP have you considered that maybe you're a super duper special truth seeker yourself, and that it's not a characteristic that has anything to do with your autismo?

I never thought autism is a superpower, I just think it gives you a perspective that can be useful, while also having some drawbacks.
But maybe my autism really is mild, since it's easy for me to detect rhetoric.

>>25215244
The normalfag is always hungry for an emotional reaction I see. I'm sorry, you failed to move me in any significant way. I've had farts that were more impactful than our discussion today.

>>25215246
No, there are other truth seekers out there and we can recognize each other. I'm not special, but perhaps rarer than the alternative.

>>25215250
I'm not the one making you mad, you're just clearly an angry and insecure person seeing as you felt the need to make this thread to sperg about "normalfags" for going on 2 full days now

>>25215250
Have you told these other 'truth seekers' about your theories? What did they think?
Seems like that would be a better use of your time than arguing here.

>>25215253
I wanted books on a specific topic, but I was forced to defend myself and I did not break a sweat while doing it. The normalfags got very worked up though. It was like watching an ant hole when you pour hot oil into it.

>>25215254
I am on a public forum, aren't I? There were some posters here that recognized the truth of my observations but they were forced to keep a low profile due to incessant normalfag attacks. Us truth seekers simply give each other respectful nods and go on with our day.

>>25215260
>Us truth seekers simply give each other respectful nods and go on with our day.
That's silly. You'd do better to work together and get closer to the truth that way.

>>25215266
It's like guerilla warfare. If we had an organization, the normalfags would find a way to ban us or kill us. As individuals we are less likely to be noticed and attacked, and we do not need to join heads together to find the truth, this would just be rebuilding the normalfag hivemind from first principles again.

>>25215260
>There were some posters here that recognized the truth of my observations
Kek anyone who disagrees with your bullshit is a normoid non truth seeker, very convenient. Smart peoole seeking truth dissgree all the time

Your posting reminds me more of someone with an actual mental illness

>all my supporters (the only truth seekers) keep low profile due to incessant normalfag attacks

Pretty sure your responding to a lot of your own post too you disingenuous cunt

>>25215219
99% of people are factually cattle. No shitty jokes in soi comics will make that false.

>>25215276
That's true but it's not like they aren't conscious of it. Most people just love being cattle

>>25215266
>You'd do better to work together and get closer to the truth that way.
And what do you think we do by making this information available? Unlike normalfags we don't need and often don't want to interact with each other, only information matters - everything else just distracts and often puts negative emotional associations with the information giver. Imageboards at least remove the necessity to see one's face, to hear one's voice et cetera. Doesn't remove things like posters, who intentionally or unintentionally disrupt the information exchange, but those can be found out and ignored quite quickly if need arises.
Notably, those posters do provide certain negative emotions rising, so in some cases you have to keep a part of yourself as an external watchdog on your state and pull the lever of "i don't have to keep being irritated because of not that significant thing, it does me no good" and just instantly turn active rage into mild fleeting disappointment. As long as you learn this concept - you can start using it.
There are, in fact, quite a lot of concepts one can consciously find and apply - and a rather big amount of problems can be either solved or diminished if the fitting concept had been found. Like a book of recipes, but for thoughts and applying thoughts to mental and physical objects and their properties.

Now you got me interested. What kind of truth do you seek, truth seeker?

>>25215193
Yeah this. I don't think it's about 'autism' per se. I don't have 'autism' because I can understand and empathize with people adequately.

>>25215209
>>25215211
>>25215214
>>25215226
Like, are these normies? Obviously not. They are boring though. NPC would certainly be closer.
Anyways this is the kind of lame bullshit that you see on here. People get defensive and mad and immediately attack anyone who claims the slightest thing about themselves. If on /fit/ and they claim they're strong or have a good physique, the thread basically looks like this with everyone trying to tear them down. If on here and says he's a truth seeker, everyone attacks and tears him down in a lame gay way.
It's just so lame. You people disappoint me constantly.

>>25215311
Calling yourself a truth seeker is definitely gay and self aggrandizing but I think what people ITT take issue with is the idea that valuing the truth is somehow an autistic trait. This board is one of the few places left on the internet full of people who want to educate themselves on whatever the truth might be, so defensively calling anyone who challenges any of the notions you've brought forward a "normalfag" is obviously not going to make for any good, genuine discussion.

>>25215207
You miss three things
1) You think all normalfag emotional behaviour is trained, and miss obvious fakery from genuine emotional expression: confuse social etiquette with friendlier more honest exchanges.
2) You miss the obvious fact that a lot of normalfag interactions are shitty because they themselves can't understand each other well: they come from different backgrounds with different emotional trainings, and clashes often happen due to these differences in emotional training. Here's a standard situation: an asshole girlboss doesn't have a love life, or friends, because she can't stop bossing people around outside work; even within the work environment, her department can be the shittiest, with the poorest performance, if she can't stop being a mean bitch. This is one typical example.
There are very few people who have a genuine sense of tact and can act in appropriate emotional way depending on the situation. Most have a very limited emotional spectrum, limited to one role - the boss, the teacher, the professor, the helpful one, the Chad, the over responsible, the chud - that they repeat throughout all life with very sad consequences - acting like a boss with your own children and wife, acting like a professor at a strip club, acting like a chud in a bar. A lot of normalfag interactions are failed to ruin because normalfags can't modulate their behaviour well. A lot of autistics overestimate how well normie emotional exchanges go.
3) Normalfags don't want to interact with autistics because they don't know how to approach them. People use emotions and face reading to gauge if another person is approachable or not. If you sit there and respond in all the wrong ways, it creates the feeling that something is off with you and may keep people, genuinely kind people, away.
I can spot an autist a mile away - it's your walk - but it genuinely is difficult to find an approach to you. You don't talk. You don't emote. You sit there and wait for someone to start talking with you. You can't gauge the level of friendship - are we building a friendship or just wasting time away talking?
And then there are the melties.
You think you have some rapport going, only to come next day to work and having an autist screaming at your for not knowing some rule of conduct that you have never heard of for all the 45 years of your life and then you need to spend the rest of day connecting the melty to change in work routine.
That was the most difficult thing to me.
You think you're becoming friends only to be shouted on over some utterly trivial bullshit.
And before you call me normalfag, I didn't insult the autist, I took my time away, chilled down, thought the thing over, and then implied through small details that I've no hard feelings. The rapport reestablished. I think.
But that because I know what autism is. If you have a clueless normiefag at the receiving end of a melty, don't expect that much of an understanding or sympathy.

>>25215322
OP does have the problem of sinking to their level and getting in gay slapfights. I brought this up earlier. But I guess my point is it would be better if everyone was better than that. But they aren't. And every potentially interesting conversation instead sinks into a gay, stupid slapfight that accomplishes nothing.

>>25215322
Anon, this guy isn't interested in having an honest discussion, he's just masturbatorily bragging.

>>25215324
You described me exactly but im not literally autistic. I just grew up too isolated.

>>25213767
You’re not a genuine human. You are, by definition, defective.

>>25215276
Yes and you're one of them, retard.
No different to women and children who believe 'I'm not like the other girls, I'm special'
Humble yourself

>>25215224
>I never really understood
finally you admit that your autism makes you worst at comprehending social truths instead of deluding yourself into thinking you perfectly understand how normal people think and just chose not to act on it.

>>25215355
Yeah, I don't get ingesting literal poison that gives you brain damage. Can you explain?
Before you ask, yes, I've tried these substances and they made me feel like I ingested poison.

>>25215347
Oh well. Always knew i was a weird one for being able to grasp ideas others couldn't, was too afraid of or was schooed away by leaders of their society and those, who repeat their words.
By the way, why do most of you fall for "charismatic" leaders even in cases they talk complete bullshit? Can't you think through their words or at least check the information he's telling you? I could've understood if there would be a clever ploy of telling useful thruths to make you to trust him and then put a lie in at the precise moment because you (for efficiency) would consider him to be a trustful source based on observations and thus not requiring information checks anymore. But blighters often use the same technique and quite often even lie outright from the beginning. How come so many of you can't learn even on personal experience? The very first case should've created a rule of complete distrust to strangers at least.

>>25215360
You were born with brain damage that makes explaining a phenomenological experience to you particularly difficult.
Explaining what makes altering your mind enjoyable to an autist is about as easy as explaining what makes a painting beautiful to a man blind from birth.

>>25215360
I'm sorry, anon. These substances make real humans feel good.
I guess you're not a real human...

> OP starts thread seeking books that will affirm his comfort box opinions
> Then claims NTs only follow narratives given to them by external sources
> Sees no contradiction in this whatsoever while insisting his view of reality is wider and more consistent

I've never been so glad to "only" have ADHD and OCD instead of autism holy shit

Anyway on thread topic: No Longer Human by Osamu Dazai is autistic coded but you won't like it because even he manages to get laid (and the ending refutes your Truth)

>>25213135
>peaked your interest

It’s “piqued”, you illiterate boob.

>>25215371
Maybe I'm the only real one :)
It's curious though, we have the same nervous system so the effects should be similar, but every time I partake in these things, I cannot help to notice that it feels like... complete shit. I think it might be because I'm less prone to peer pressure and no one can convince me that I'm having a good time when I'm not. The normalfag must really like being stupid and dizzy and throwing up, as long as there are other people there to convince him he has a real personality because of it.

>>25215376
I've read it recently. I found the initial part of the book very interesting because of the "mask" motif and how he learns to acts in certain ways to cause positive reactions in others, but the later parts just seem like pointless misery porn. I don't understand alcoholics in general, so his actions just didn't make any sense to me at all, why he always treated those women badly, as well as why they always forgave him and kept giving him stuff, women do tend to love evil or broken men, perhaps he was just really handsome.

>the ending refutes your Truth

Could you refresh my memory and explain?

>>25215381
Peeked, peaked, piqued. Got it!

>>25215376
autist have a really hard time recognising that their thinking isn't entirely motivated by reason.
One time I saw an autist make constant excuses to protect his ego, but he refused to admit that there might be a reason he might keep saying those excuses or that this behavior wasn't conducive to his improvment because they were technically correct.

>>25215383
>One time
Kek

>>25215382
>we have the same nervous system so the effects should be similar
Flawed assumption as you literally were born with a disability that stems from a difference in your neurodevelopmental condition.
>but every time I partake in these things, I cannot help to notice that it feels like... complete shit
You simply don't share the same experience as other people
> I think it might be because I'm less prone to peer pressure and no one can convince me that I'm having a good time when I'm not. The normalfag must really like being stupid and dizzy and throwing up, as long as there are other people there to convince him he has a real personality because of it.
sour grapes

>>25215382
>we have the same nervous system
quite literally not, since you have autism

>>25215224
So you agree that people who ingest those substances do it to dull their minds and absorb into the collective whole. Great.
Guess what? The reason they need alcohol or weed is because they have an overwhelming interiority in their brains, just like you. A good portion of the population has inner monologues, just like you. Their thoughts are frequently overwhelming and often surge in social situations that they can't read, just like you. But, unlike you and your unchecked sollipsism, they recognize that lonesome interiority can be suffocating and seek to relieve the stress it causes them or reduce the friction it causes when trying to connect with others.

That's the Truth. We are all damaged in different ways, existing only to be seen, loved, and used by those around us. And we all have different emotional needs and values that we give and take from others, so we sometimes use common methods to make it easier or more nuanced. Just because you lack the ability to recognize some of those methods doesn't mean you can't exist in the system (actually just humanity) meaningfully, nor does it mean there is some way to find an objectively "best" way of communication. I'd tell you to read some Salinger or Vonnegut, but I'm sure you'd walk away thinking the moral message is to shoot a fucking Beatle.

>>25215393
>>25215395
I see, so autism protects me from these addictive poisons. Who said it wasn't a superpower?

>>25215400
autism stops you from experiencing certain things.
This is like a man without taste claiming to be superior because he doesn't eat unhealty food.

>>25215400
>not consuming drugs is a superpower
Anon...I mean I'm happy for you I guess.
Keep away from drugs, kids.

>>25215382
> Refresh me

He spends an entire life feeling like he is not human and then feeling despicable for the trouble, pain, and suffering he's inflicted on himself and others. He hates the masks that others wear, the masks he is forced to don to participate in society, and the belief that only he can see this as it is, only he can possibly stop it. And then, we learn from a different source that others viewed him as kind, pure, and innocent--which are some of the most desirable goals of people lying to themselves and others. In hiding his suffering, he falls victim to the only thing that could actually define being human: our contradictions and how we desire control over projected images we can't even see.

For the second half, remember that all of his romantic relationships were performative. His actual wife was not someone he loved so much as valued for her pure image of naivety, which he could not see in himself (similar to you). The only woman he claims to have truly loved was the one who he didn't love until she died, meaning it's likely just mentally ill revisionism. He "loves" her because he can't actually have her to love. And his pursuits of sex are because he is trying to understand what the "in-group" supposedly implicitly/feels or knows that makes sex so good. Which is itself another sign that being performative is actually the state of being human. Most people have the self-awareness to recognize that sex and lust are empty in themselves, even if you may claim otherwise.

>>25215411
That's actually true. There are some spectrums of lived experience that are not available to me or that require a large price of admission, one of them might be the intoxicating feeling of your neurons frying on whatever designer drug you just ingested at a party, another might be the feeling of a train cutting off your neck. This reminds me of an old joke, if God truly knows everything, then does God know what it feels like to have a dick in his ass?

Ok, I'm a truth seeker par excellence, but some truths are better left to others to discover.

>>25215424
Discussions with normalfags are riveting. You say something and they cannot process the idea by itself but bypass it through some vague impression from the shared web of symbols. Not taking drugs is uncool, it gives you the uncool icky feeling, I get it - but we've already established (heh) that I do not care about how I am perceived, the imaginary pussy I'm losing out on doesn't really phase me either. You can only call me a dork in so many words before you reveal that you have no original thoughts of your own besides vague cultural sense impressions.

>>25215439
>some truths are better left to others to discover
Doesn't sound like a real truth seeker to me.
Could it be you're a pseud?

>>25215430
How can one man make so many assumptions of a person he never met and hardly spoke to. Seems like projection of some sort.

>>25215447
Why yes, I want to be like them French philosophers and get AIDS from gay anal sex just to prove I've peeked under every nook and cranny of God's creation.

>>25215449
What?

>>25215456
It's the truth, nothing more, nothing less.
Searching for lesser truths isn't seeking truth at all.

Since having kids I've understood autists a lot more. Like kids, they'll learn a new piece of information but then make a ton of incorrect assumptions and extrapolations. Unlike kids, these assumptions become cemented and are incredibly hard to correct.

We have several idioms about people with a little bit of knowledge are actually more dangerous than the truly ignorant, and I think that describes autism perfectly.

>>25215457
Oh i think i just realized you were msking massive sweeping generalizations about a group of people and not a specific person.

>I'm a truth seeker
rationalists belong on a cross

>>25215464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDoPzEx5rjQ

>>25215466
What's the alternative though? I'm aware rationality is fundamentally limited, but you use the tools that you have.

>>25211509
Anyone who uses terms like neurodiverse or neurotypical can be safely ignored ime

>>25215439
You're not a dork, just immature. Goodluck with the thread.

>>25215465
He was talking about No Longer Human, you fucking tard.

>>25215439
>Ok, I'm a truth seeker par excellence, but some truths are better left to others to discover.
that's more progress than I though you were capable off, good job.

>>25215473
Empiricism.