>>25211848
I'm malding.
Dance and Animation go in "Not life changing..", Cuisine and Videogaming go straight to the bottom tier, Cinema goes up to "These and the above..."
There. FIFY
This is what you wanted to happen with that picrel, isn't it? You're welcome

>>25211848
visual novels>>>>

>>25211848
"Video gaming" is not an art. Design of videogames maybe.

>>25211848
>Literature
>The Great Gatsby
Could have at least used something like Paradise Lost for your pic
>>25211851
I agree with him, I guess.
>>25211855
Him, not so much.

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>>25211855
THIS!

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>>25211848
AI art blows all of those out of the water, pissant. The miracles we work with AI will only become greater and greater as the years wear on

>>25211855
>>25211864
Back to your schizo thread, retarded weeb.

>>25211848
Your list is shit
This is the definitive list:

>Holy Trinity
Painting, Sculpture, Architecture

>Pinnacle of Mastery
Literature, Music, Cinema

>Life-Changing
Dance, Cuisine, Animation

>Thought-Provoking
Theatre

>Limited Medium
Photography

>Not Art
Video Games

>>25211875
>definitive list
And who the fuck are you supposed to be to come to such a conclusion that it’s definitive? Because this is wrong on so many levels.

>>25211848
A turd can give you a life-changing disease. What does that have to do with art?

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>>25211848
uhhhhhhhhh i don't know. I feel like somehow there should be separate lists. Like one list for literature, music, movies, tv, gaming, and maybe social media content. Then the other list could have the other things.

>>25211880
Eat a dick, faggot.
Video games aren't art.
Cinema is superior theatre.
And painting, sculpture, and architecture have always been and always will be the absolute pinnacle of high art for any civilization.

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>>25211848
>muh medium
Midwit final boss
Importance placed on mediums is a sure sign of middle to lower intelligence
There are only 5 categories of art that correspond to the 5 senses nothing more nothing less. Many overlaps obviously but it can always be broken down as such.
Art is only limited by your ability to experience the world and that ability is your senses..

>>25211848
>Alive and fundamental to shaping the nature of civil life
Architecture, (lyrical/folk) music, cinema, literature(?)
>Highest intellectual refinement, but currently stagnant
Theatre, opera, (classic/symphonic) music, painting, literature(?)
>Alive, high potential, but immature
Videogames, Animation, visual novels
>Important, but limited due to the nature of the medium
Cuisine, photography, dance, sculpture, decorative arts

The first two tiers are of similar importance depending on how you look at it. The first are what is attracting most of modern talent, shaping modern discourse, society, etc. But for that reason are often filled with commercialized garbage and intellectually shallow trends that have not yet been filtered by critics and the passage of time. The second are the most intellectually refined, but have for the most part become cultural musea, markers of academic prestige unable to move much of the zeitgeist. Literature falls somewhere in between.

>>25211948
Poetry > Painting & Sculpture > Art Music
Next tier:
Prose > Theatre > Architecture
Next:
Art film > Experimental music > Dance
Next:
Animation (it could include only a handful of anime) > Cinema > Photography
Almost at the bottom now:
Genre fiction > comic books/graphic novels > Hollywood slop > popular music > contemporary “poetry” > most anime
Not art (at least yet):
Video games.
>>25211948
It seems you’re looking at literature a bit broadly. Cinema is still too young for one to value alongside the other mediums in which you place it.

>>25211951
Cinema is quite young but i think has had sufficient theoretical development and accumulation of world-historically great works that it can safely take that spot among the great for me. It has effectively taken over the societal roles of both painting (in its role of structuring desire and creating a shared visual imaginary) and theatre (in its role as the most direct, public-interfacing art form)

Also, I can agree with splitting poetry and prose, but i think its a bit of a cop out to separate poetry/music/film (stuff i like) from poetry/music/film (stuff i dont like).

>>25211848
Food is a resource and there's no art in murder. Video games and cartoons are for children.

Photography and cinema should take the place of le videogaming and animation.

>>25211922
I guess what makes books and text so special, beside conveying greater information and being the primordial narrative giver, is that is direct interaction with imagination and shadow senses, while the others are providing sensory theater and is more streamlined.

https://tiermaker.com/create/every-art-medium-1603674

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>>25213492
desu senpai

>>25211848
Architecture is above them all. Read Notre-Dame de Paris.

>>25211875
what makes you say video games are not art? or would say can not be art? and do you think there's any games that would come close?

I would generally say they are art or can be art, but the games used as examples of "art" are just shitty wannabe movies (whatever the newest sony game is) or poorly written stories that are only remarkable because the bar for writing is so low (Nier) that are by no means unique to the medium.

>>25211875
>Cinema that far up
Come on now.

>>25213838
>>25213844
He’s probably a zoomer in his early twenties who just stopped playing vidya and watches arthouse slop thinking it’s somehow the deepest thing ever despite mostly being made by failed authors.

>>25211848
>theater that hight
>cinema that low
>cuisine that high
theater to F, cinema to B, cuisine to green box. I'm trying to think of any photographs that left a lasting impression on me. Well I guess it stays on thought provoking.
You are the definition of pretentious if you think food can ever be life changing or thought provoking.
>hmm this asparagus really says a lot about society

>>25211848
No

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>>25211922
Based on your definition, except for Dance and Photography (which are non-creative desu) + animation mixed with cinema.

>>25211848
>had to sneak in video games
lmao the absolute state of /v/cels

>>25211848
Do people on this board even know what art photography is? If you like painting and dance, why would you rate photography or cinema any lower? Is it because you haven’t even seen anything good before? I know this website is for trolling but I don’t think you guys even engage with art.

>>25213838
>>25213879
Could also just be a nornalfag that hasn't played anything but Fortnite and the like, but that's like lambasting literature because of 99% of current mainstream books being retarded smut for women.

>>25214474
>If you like painting and dance, why would you rate photography or cinema any lower?
Trail cam footage is considered photography, but it doesn't even qualify as art.

Any artistic medium which counts among its genre something completely uncreative is inherently lesser.

>>25215027
>Hurrr photography is only a reproduction process
You're a retard. That's like basing literature on text messages.

>>25215062
>Hurrr photography is only a reproduction process
Trail cams don't choose the subject or the lighting or the condition of the location. Automated processes are not art.

>>25215027
>Any artistic medium which counts among its genre something completely uncreative is inherently lesser.
rather retarded

>>25211866
>absurdly broad sidewalk
>marquee in the middle of the road, so low that trucks can barely pass under
>pole to which marquee and absurdly large sign are attached in the middle of the street
>random branch/cables sticking out from underneath said huge sign
>huge sign has a logo of a european-looking castle on it, in the middle of a small American town
>Netttle's diner (three t's)

we've had this tech for ~3 years now. The resolution of the images is getting better and better and they've mostly figured out letters and words now, but I still don't see ANY improvement in environmental logic and consistency

>>25213838
Video games are, when boiled down to their rawest element, the actions you have against the challenges you face.
Be that mario jumping over a barrel to stop donkey kong, or Steve building blocks in minecraft to survive or whatever, it necessarily unfolds because that is the only output that is possible within that programmed environment.
Making the player complicit in the events removes the critical capacity and distance that all the other mediums afford the observer, and so reduce the player into a primal state of task completion, no matter how benign (walking simulators too).
Every attempt at a meta-commentary, satire, relatable drama, etc., you'll find from a video game which tries to emulate what all other mediums confront us with, immediately dissolves with the end of a cut scene or a repetitive task, boss fight or arbitrary situation that disembodies the player and the critical capacity to confront things from their own perspective and grapple with any higher meaning.
You, who is twiddling a controller is fundamentally not the same person that walks around a museum or sits in the sun reading a book.
Duchamp's urinal is ultimately more art than half a century of video games and not because of quality, but because of what we are able to do/think/feel in the moment that we apprehend it.

>>25215109
TRVKE.
Video games themselves don’t annoy me as much as the people who make them and the people who revere them, mistakenly assuming they have artistic merit. It’s a bunch of computer nerds sitting on computers making a program. There’s no artist. You’ll get gamers who say “well they have art design and they hire artists who draw characters” like that constitutes capital a Art. You’ll have those who claim because it merges a bunch of superior art forms together (rather poorly and simplistically too) that somehow makes it art, when in reality, it’s just a dumbed down narrative worse than cartoons, music that is fun but not exactly Bach, art that can look nice but isn’t quite Rembrandt. This also applies to cinema too, but cinema is nowhere near as bad.

>>25211848
APOLLONIAN
>animation (art)
>architecture
>literature
>music (classical)
>painting
>photography
>sculpture
>sport (strength and skill)

DIONYSIAN
>cinema (arthouse)
>cuisine
>dance
>music (traditional)
>theatre

MERCURIAN
>animation (entertainment)
>cinema (blockbuster)
>comics
>sport (speed and ability)
>video games

Midwit: the thread

>>25213838
>What makes you say video games are not art?
Video games aren't a composition, they are a skill challenge. Is catching a ball art? Or throwing a stick? Or kicking a ball?
>do you think there's any games that would come close?
No, the games themselves are not art, but I could see the case that individual performances within a game could be considered art. For instance, the act of catching a ball isn't art but Willie Mays' catch in the World Series I'd be willing to entertain as being artistic. Chess isn't art, but the Opera Game is art.
>the games used as examples of "art" are just shitty wannabe movies
Because the only unique attribute of a game is that it is for play. The soundtrack could be art, the story could be art, the voice acting could be art, the graphics could be art, but these are all borrowed from other mediums.
>>25213844
It's better theatre and all of your whining doesn't change that.
>>25213879
>>25214998
None of you queers will ever give an example of a video game that is art because A) it doesn't exist and B) you're afraid of getting laughed at for your shitty tastes
>>25215118
Cinema is different because of the camera. That's what allows it to go from just being a recorded theatre performance to its own medium.

>>25215158
>None of you queers will ever give an example of a video game that is art because A) it doesn't exist and B) you're afraid of getting laughed at for your shitty tastes
You’ve assumed that I think video games are art twice now. I don’t think video games are art in the slightest, what I do think is that cinema isn’t as great as you think it is; on the same level as music and literature? Fuck off lol

>>25215169
>music
Kek. Entertainment at best.

>>25215170
Popular music? sure. Classical? Don’t be disingenuous.

>>25215178
Nta but your favorite works?

>>25215169
>nothing to say
I accept your concession.

>>25215185
Die Kunst Der Fuge
Musikalisches Opfer
Matthäus Passion
Gesualdo’s Madrigals, Book 5 and 6
Schnittke’s first symphony and concerto grosso (not really into 20th century mostly though, Scelsi is good though too)
Mozart’s 24th Piano Concerto
his Clarinet works too

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>>25211848
>Limited medium with lack of visionaries: Cinema
Lil bro didn't watch transformers. This alone replaces theatre with statues being repurposed for the transformers toys.

>>25215187
The most artistic cinematic film I’ve seen is The Hart of London by Jack Chambers, which is great, it feels like a good look at a dying man’s frustration with humanity by juxtaposition birth and death, and using the camera in motion to its utmost advantage, like you’re seeing it all through his eyes, and it’s brilliant. Other than that and some structural films that are pure film, there is nothing about cinema that is more artistic than theatre, stealing from multiple mediums doesn’t reinforce your own one, if anything it lowers the value of the artform by relying on so many others as a crutch (music and theatre mostly)

>>25215204
>Other than the one thing that elevates cinema into its own art form, it's like, you know, totally, basically the same
Okay so you're just stupid.
>stealing from multiple mediums doesn’t reinforce your own one, if anything it lowers the value of the artform by relying on so many others as a crutch
Never said it did and in fact I made that exact argument against video games.

>>25215213
I never said cinema wasn’t its own art form that can’t stand on its own though, retard. But most venerated films do exactly what video games do, which you agree with. So though it IS art, it’s not as high up as you think it is. Its collaborative nature (screenwriters, cinematographers, soundtrack artists) ruins the essence of a sole artistic vision which also lowers its value. Go back to /tv/ or something.

videogames and anime are not art and will never be, they're pacifiers for subhumans.
anyone who tries to argue otherwise is just insecure.

>>25211848
where is hardcore gay pornography?
>ib4 hurrr dur is not life changing
Yes, it is. Try watching it with maximum volume at your work.

>>25215255
Beard oil muh bacon type opinion

Was fashion the first art form?

>>25214022
you need at least one sense to experience literature

>>25214022
Shit nigger… what do you think literature is? The noumena?

>>25215278
>subhumanized word salad
case in point

>>25215243
>I never said cinema wasn’t its own art form that can’t stand on its own though, retard.
I never said you said this.
>But most venerated films do exactly what video games do, which you agree with.
I don't agree with that.
>Its collaborative nature
>muh sole artistic vision is ruined
A lot of art is collaborative, dingus. Orchestral performances, plays, building and monument construction, writer and editor. You're talking out of your ass.

>>25215287
No that was rape, the highest form of art...

Why is /lit/ considered the most intelligent board? Is that some sort of inside joke or is the rest of 4chan just that stupid?

>>25215296
>I don’t agree with that
And we never will, I’d rather not argue with you anyway. I like cinema, a lot, you should actually watch the film I spoke of earlier, if you’re into that sort of stuff. I have reasons for rating it lower than you, it’s passive, too immediate for me. I prefer literature because you create the scenes yourself, I prefer music because no words are needed to convey such strong emotions. When I say collaborative, I mean that it’s multiple artists like those I mentioned earlier, creating one artistic project, which can muddy the original vision. With a live orchestral performance, the players aren’t strictly artists, the notes are there, all they need is to play. With construction, the builders aren’t artists, the architect is. The editor isn’t an artist.
That’s what I think, I’m sure you have your reasons for disagreeing but ultimately it comes down to what one values in art the most.
I appreciate your take actually, though I disagree.

>>25215314
>Why is /lit/ considered the most intelligent board?
It's not. /d/ is.

>>25215314
/po/ and as >>25215342, /d/ are the two cleverest.

Can anyone just cook?