>>23766970
Happy 40th anniversary.

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Happy 40th Anniversary.

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LET'S CELEBRATE

>>23766970
Just remember that it’s not an anime.

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Why couldn't Judau fix her?

>>23768147
Because he knew she couldn't be fixed, and wasn't about some creepy hag lusting after him.

>>23768117
>it's not an anime
>first 25 episodes are filled with anime tier tropes that filtered people
>they didn't listen
Tomino you fucking genius

>>23766970
Char's mobile suit quiz?

>>23768147
She doesn't want to get fixed, she wants to groom jewdough into her ideal guy.

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>>23768735
so damn beautiful............

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>>23768730
But Judau is usually so chill and her ideal guy is a retarded bisexual sociopath.

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>>23766970
Cheers!

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>>23768887
>Judeau
That's what his name is spelled?

>>23768429
For me desu when puru showed up with the qubeley mk2 was when I had my
>oh shit now it's real moment

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>>23766970

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>>23766970
BAZZED

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>>23769523
ROOOOOOUX

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>>23769617
>dies a single mother and a virgin

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ZZ had a catalogue of banger MS designs.

>>23766970
Not even an argument, the best mobile suit design in the entire franchise. Zeta definitely had the best warship design though.

>>23769624
>Dreissen
>Hamma-Hamma
>Doven Wulf
>Zaku III
>GM III
ZZ had an amazing lineup.

>>23766970
>>23768117
Guys, I'm starting think ZZ might actually be an anime...

>>23768730
>her ideal guy
A balding deadbeat with mommy issues?

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>>23769779
I know. Sounds dreamy, right?

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>>23769624

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>>23769779
>But now it's just... I mean, look at him. He's going bald. He's starting to look like Jean Luc Picard. I mean, you wouldn't have sex with him, would you?
>Oh, yeah, I would.
>Really?
>Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I would do everything to him. I don't care what he looks like. I would wreck that man.
>Well, you are a trouper.

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pussy from a girl who is evil

>>23768927
for me it was when Leina died
imagine my surprise when she came back, I thought Judau was hallucinating up to that point

>>23766970
Did bandai really do nothing for ZZ's 40th?

>>23770455
They didn't do anything for Zeta's 40th either.

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>>23770455
Sort of?

>>23769796
>Glemy gets upgraded from being a named mook into the Char substitute just by piloting a red mobile suit once and being blonde

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>>23771116
Char not being in ZZ upsets me to the point I go crosseyed. The idea of finishing Haman's character arc without Char being involved at all is just absolutely unfulfilling and batshit insane.

The whole Glemy being in love with Roux and trying to groom Leina was also fucking weird, and then we are supposed to take him as a serious threat later on just because Tomino got greenlit for a movie. Holy shit.

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>>23771127
If ZZ ever gets the movie treatment like Zeta did, I'm of the belief you have two options
>make him more sympathetic, like actually caring for Puru and Leina and making the rebellion thing from Africa onwards a product of the ghost of Gihren haunting him into taking matters into his own hands regretfully
>make him a bastard from the get-go, reframe have his infatuation with Roux as the desire to "conquer" a woman he deems worthy, with Leina being treated more coldly, and the clones established earlier on

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>>23771149
What side material is hm being Ghiren's bastard and/or clone from?

Also, why didn't Haman get a suit upgrade? I understand the Qubeley is perfect, but it seems like a missed opportunity. After it became mass produced you would think she would have upgraded.

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>>23771149
I love OL Haman so fucking much.

>>23771127
>>The whole Glemy being in love with Roux and trying to groom Leina was also fucking weird, and then we are supposed to take him as a serious threat later on just because Tomino got greenlit for a movie. Holy shit.
You're supposed to him as a serious threat because he's been shown to be mentally unstable, groom two little girls and is generally a bastard.

>>23771318
Scirocco does the same shit. I took him way more seriously than Glemy because his character was consistent.

>>23771328
You can clearly see that Glemy becomes less idealistic and more radicalized as ZZ goes by when he actually is forced to experience real battles first hand.

>people who were in the target demographic to watch zz as it aired are now 900 years old

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>>23771160
What is the general consensus on the Demeter?

>>23771362
Best mecha in the franchise.

>>23771563
Yet it doesn't have a kit. Weird.

>>23771318
The way Glemy treated Leina never came as sexual to me in the same way Judau treated Puru, which was a nice touch but ofc one is gonna treated like a weapon and the other a doll

>>23771362
Cool suit, nice mix of baund doc and quebbles

>>23768735
>>23769624
I never got MS that split apart to transform, it just means delay in transforming and more risk of losing a part and getting stuck in one form.

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>>23770640
ZZ era Naoyuki Onda art, now he's the chief animation director of Hathaway's Flash.

>>23771822
Judau didn't treat Puru sexually. He was nice to her, but refused to treat her like a woman or like his sister. In fact the moment Puru confesses to him he silently rejects her which was kino as fuck.

>>23766970
ZZ is great and it annoys me that most people consider Zeta so much better
>Kamille loses someone close to him and fights a battle and they wander around and then he loses someone close to him and they wander around and then the Gundam gets stolen (17th time) and then he gets a girl and then he loses someone and then the AEUG wanders around and then...
The middle of Zeta felt like I was looping.

>>23772646
Neither did Glemy with Leina tbdesu

>>23772721
It's a tough argument when the first half of zz is the most retarded shit you'll ever sit through. I love it, but man is it bad. I get they wanted a new cast and tone, but why leave a couple characters like Bright and completely change them? Honestly it would have been better to just kill everyone off.

>>23772793
>It's a tough argument when the first half of zz is the most retarded shit you'll ever sit through.
Agreed. And Tomino wanted the entire series to have that tone, yikes.

>>23772745
But he told her what to wear, how to act, how to talk, refused to leave her alone and was jn charge of her education. Which would be considered overbearing but not entirely weird if he was her father of even Judau, but he isn't.

He kidnapped her and did all of this against her will. That's grooming and creepy.

>>23772793
>It's a tough argument when the first half of zz is the most retarded shit you'll ever sit through.
You're way overstating it. It's noticeable but not that different from the second half.

Bright almost cheating on his wife is one of the most out of character moments ever.

>>23773198
why?
>he rarely sees Mirai
>is away on missions for months
>constantly stays on high alert and has risk of dying
>manages a crew of insubordinate retards, kids and manchildren
>never seemed experienced with women
it really shouldn't be surprising that he got tempted by a blondie that was throwing herself on him, even then he still managed to not go all the way.

>>23773193
You're right, both halves are pretty retarded.

>>23773248
You're right. Bright Noa being a horny retard is totally in character what the fuck was I thinking. Clearly I misread all those skirt-tsuki doujins my bad.

>>23773198
Absolutely correct
>>23773248
Have you actually seen any of the other series? He endured that in every show he's in and is steadfast and honorable. It's the same with him constantly acting like a moron allowing anyone with a pulse on the bridge, breaking protocol all over the place, doing slap stick shit. It's a completely different character in almost every way but looks. Totally jarring and almost feels like a farce. Kind of like the whole show.

>>23773254
Emary was the first person that showed interest in him romantically in such an obvious manner. Also, events of zeta has broken him and made him more docile, he doesn't just hand out corrections like candies anymore. There's also difference in expectations, AEUG is still a military, there is structured hierarchy, whereas Shangri la gang give zero fucks about that, Bright is desperate so he is more tolerant and uses other means to get his way.
>constantly acting like a moron allowing anyone with a pulse on the bridge, breaking protocol all over the place
just like in Zeta!
slapstick can be a bit jarring but Zeta itself is still quite hilarious show and has very intentional (and unintentional) comedy bits which aren't noticed cause the tone and setting is grimdark and very serious at nearly all times. ZZ isn't perfect and takes some very questionable decisions but it's not entirely alien thing from another planet, the show literally aired next week after Zeta ended and written mostly by same people.

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>>23773271
Why are you defending this?

There is a lot of things to like about ZZ, but they completely messed up the recurring cast. Haman shutting down a Newtype connection with Kamille and then running away crying from Judau was also out of character.

Judau might be my least favorite of the protagonists. There is so little going on there compared to Kamille and Amuro. Character writing was not ZZ's strong suit.

>>23773271
>Pretzel-logicing to the extreme to excuse terrible writing and world building
Is this some kind of writing exercise for you? It maybe a debate club assignment? This shit is indefensible, stop it.

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>but the ZZ cast is so likeable
I don't care. What is likeable to you might not be likeable to me. I like red wine and black coffee. The word likeable means absolutely nothing.

>>23773253
Not what he said, retard.

>>23768117
It's not even canon.

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>>23766970

>>23773787
lol bright and mirai

>>23773794
Sleggar would never treat her like that.

>>23773798
yeah since Mirai's a crap-tier newtype she can't see all the perv ghost antics Sleggar is up to

>>23766970
Beecha sucks.

>>23775362
Beecha rocks.

>>23771362
I want to fuck it

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>>23769523
>>23769526

>>23777062
>Bosshi
Wait, THAT Bosshi?!

>>23768887
>>23768891
>Judeau
>e

>>23779238
she doesn't have a giant penis so it must be a different Bosshi

>>23779557
Have you compared signatures?

>>23779557
I dunno, facial aesthetic looks similar enough.

>>23768887
>Judeau smirk.jpg
>not Judau coolface.jpg
Bruh.

>>23771165
Got that at a readable resolution?

>>23786541
>not destrado making a funny face.jpg

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Wha is the appeal of this couple?

>>23786547
>>23786542

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>>23786547
there's always something endearing about a guy fixing his bitch wife

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>>23786547
The idea of an otherwise stoic and put-together woman falling so head-over-heels for a boy nearly a decade younger than her is funny, endearing, and erotic.

>>23768336

These promotional arts made it feel like Mashymre was going to defect at some point to the Argama.

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zz is completely batshit from start to finish, and not in a good way.

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How is the Döven Wolf considered a mass production suit when it has stats never seen before, surpassing most gundams. They made some pretty good Mk.V slop. Was Zeon planning to eat out of little cans from now on?

>>23787401
She actually looks better without the makeup. I suspect dispensing with the schizo hair coloring would be an improvement as well.

>>23787578
I agree about the makeup, but I kinda like the hair. Feels very "her".

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https://twitter.com/yaochan_defu/status/2033931303150858519

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>>23786547
/ss/ is hot and the contrast of
>Haman seeing if she can corrupt Judau to her level, validating all her terrible life choices
>Judau either not giving a fuck or just pitying her
works as an interesting concept for relationship drama, had ZZ spent more time on it

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>>23787401
Eh ZZ being batshit insane also works in it's favor, never a dull moment (ignoring the fact they should have gotten off Shangri-La 5 episodes too late)

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I'm always surprised at how popular a pairing Haman and Judau are.

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>>23789281
He had way better chemistry with her than Roux, who's kind of a cunt and only slightly mellows down

>>23789245
Is pic somehow related or are you just posting off-topic?

>>23789304
That is Judau's VA.

>>23789308
And who's the other guy?

>>23789295
I'd simp for roux too ngl

>>23789308
>>23789315
Mr. Doblaje, the mexican voice actor of Franky, the latter character Yao used to voice.

>>23789590
Why is Elle making an improper gesture?

>>23792591
Why are you bumping dead shit duel?

>>23792593
>duel
That's SEED, not ZZ.

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>go into the show knowing the warnings about the tonal shift and annoying characters
>turns out you really need a smile after the miserable ending of Zeta, and it's not like the first half is blind to the consequences of war either
>the characters get better quickly even in part 1 and Mashymre's always wonderful (and got to be in the opening for a bit), but Glemy feels like a clear downgrade
>was told Puru would be annoying, turns out she's fine and helpful, especially by Gundam standards
>but then she just dies with zero mourning or attention (there's a general mourning for all of Dublin but not even a "Puru..." comment)
>turns out any time the two Purus are together with their sisterly dynamic in SRW was just SRW-only
That poor girl what the fuck.

>>23771127
>>23771318
>>23771822
Granted I'm watching with dogshit subs but the show mentions that he was specifically grooming her with ladyshit because he's probably considering post-war politics. There's an off-handed mention about the blood of Zabis as well, I don't know what the Gihren source is though

>>23794631
The girl deserved the suffering.

>>23794632
>raised as a science experiment, clone, and weapon
>don't get to have a family
>constantly disobeying orders but still has a good track record of mitigating shit or bailing people out
>sort of get to have a family, her childish tantrums shift towards having a genuine concern for the Argama and everyone in it
>dies trying to stop a monster she's very familiar with, to protect someone she loved as family
>just another number in the Dublin memorial
No one deserves this

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The first ZZ Gundam model displayed by Bandai.

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Roux is a better pilot of the Zeta than Kamille ever was.

>>23794931
I wonder if those cardboard chit tabletops Bandai crapped out for everything are any fun, or even compatible with each other

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>>23794971
I have my doubts, seems they were just jumping on the 80s RPG craze.

>>23794982
I recall seeing an English translation of Newtype (space combat in First Gundam) on Board Game Geek or somewhere a thousand years ago

Wish Tomino would remake ZZ before he dies of old age.

>>23795192
I get the impression ZZ is one of the works Tomino cares about the least.

>>23795193
I doubt he doesn't care about ZZ.
He just has no interests in remaking his old works and only wants to work on new stuff.
I remember reading about how he turned down countless reqeusts to remake the 0079.
I'd bet that he could easily make a deal with the sponsors where if he remakes one of his UC gundam, they fund a new work that he wants to do.
It's been proven that remake of UC gundam is a huge money printer through Zeta new translation.
But he is a stubborn ass old geezer and refuses to compromise on his stance and will die of old age before we see anything signficant out of him.
G Reco was a mediocre ass anime, even the movie.

>>23794953
Sorry, were you saying something

>>23795265
Roux-chan.

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>>23795316
Roux!

>>23794631
>dogshit subs

>>23780395/>>23780401/>>23780458?

>>23795676
Those aren't even the worst offenses in the show
I couldn't tell you what those are, because I don't fucking speak Japanese
But I've heard "Karaba" and them not introduce the fact that Karaba still exists and is running around, and I've definitely heard "one anime phrase" and read "some different phrase that works as an alternate response" so I definitely don't trust these subs
>show's dialogue and subtitles don't match
>check the dub
>the dub has something closer to the Japanese, and the subs correspond with nothing
Why do people even bother uploading or seeding this shit?

>>23794953
Where have I seen that bottom center arrangement before?

>>23795698
You've seen cars
We've all seen cars

>>23795717
I don't see any car in that illustration.

>>23795729
What vehicle is she driving then? Truck-kun?

>>23795698
It's the scene from Chainsaw Man with Power and Kobeni

>>23795676
>hear isoide and danmaku
>subs say "get us out of here quickly" rather than anything similar to "shoot a barrage"
I'm so fucking tired

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Roux's character sheet.

>>23795323
rouxba

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>>23796211
Rouxba!

>>23772721
Zeta really goes to shit in the middle, gets better when Haman shows up but she is also a jarring addition so late. She's mentioned earlier but it's weird how she's so connected to Char. You just don't expect it.

>>23796496
Lalah showed up pretty late too if I remember 0079 correctly.

>>23795984
What's the R stand for?

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>KEIKAKU DORI DE GOZAIMASU, HAMAN-SAMA
Hang the fucking inbreds that make made-up subtitles

>>23794953
Watching the show for the first time, it's actually crazy how cracked Roux is in the zeta she was smoking fools left and right!! Granted literally all the neo-zeon people I've seen so far have been bumbling nutjobs with low IQs but still

>>23797088
Roux is best girl for a reason.

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>>23795969
Kamille and Judau make such a cute couple.

>>23797058
Several other subtitles have existed for a decade retardo.

>>23797154
I picked the one that didn't take up an outlandish amount of disk space, I gave up on finding subs when I checked 3-4 Zeta torrents only to find that they all had the same subs
I may indeed be slightly retardo but I'm doing my best ;_;

>>23797154
>>23797156
>complain about a thing on the internet
>find a solution instantly
Never mind, Neo Zeon is so fucking back

You can easily tell Full Frontal is not the real Char Aznable.

He never ever not even once mentions Amuro or Lalah. The real char would NEVER shut up about them.

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>>23797142
>>23797141
I used to have this issue but sold it without scanning properly. Storing 100+ magazines I never look at that smell like japanese basement got gay after a while.

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Interesting how early materials emphasize that Beecha is supposed to be especially clever among the gang. I wonder where that went over the show.

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>>23797163
Congratulations.

When I first watched ZZ I was able to read all the episode names so seeing the final one named warrior once more it made me think Char/Quattro was going to show up and you know, be a warrior once more. I was a little disappointed I had to wait until cca to see him again

I can't say it's my favourite gundam, I still prefer Zeta more but I'm not upset I watched it! I think after the first few episodes it does really get going and has some really fun suits, and awesome character moments! I'm surprised how much I ended up like Judau. A very different character to the last two protags but he helped carry the mood. Also pleasantly surprised how they managed to turn Ple around.

>>23797088
Roux is one of the few actually competent pilots in ZZ, yes

>>23797533
yeah, it's definitely worth watching, but I feel it gets in the way of the Char/Amuro trilogy of 0079/Zeta/CCA

>>23797660
I personally found char and amuro to be the most boring part of all UC

>>23797661
well they're the main characters of the good parts, faggot

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>>23797661
This post actually made me sad. I'm going to go outside and take a walk for a bit.

>>23797672
What part of "Repost is prohibited" and "Unauthorized reposting & AI training prohibited" do you not understand?

>>23797773
do you follow everything a picture tells you to do?

>>23797773
the part where they have the power to stop me

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>>23797773
The fact that the Qubeley kigus have little bunny tail funnel butts.

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>>23773282
>Haman shutting down a Newtype connection with Kamille and then running away crying from Judau was also out of character.
The two contexts are extremely different

>>23766970
That second half would have hit harder if it had anything to do with the first one honestly, like thematically, and such.

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Puru

>half the gunslop threads are just the same faggot samefagging 24/7

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>>23766970
>Stupid adults
>Everyone who watched it is now 40+
Now that you're a stupid adult, do you still side with Judau or does Bright make more sense?

>>23797262
I wonder if there was originally a plan for Amuro to show up in the show?

>>23799207
I have no idea why Bright put up with him for so long, and respect his gumption for letting them straight up steal his ride and fuck off to go get Amuro

>>23799226
https://www.gundamunofficial.com/production/zgundam.html
yeah they drew up concept art for most of the white base crew early on in 1984 so it seems like including them was part of the plan

>>23799226
>I wonder if there was originally a plan for Amuro to show up in the show?
ZZ Gundam's production was kind of a mess. Lots of ideas were being thrown around. And Tomino was changing ideas as production continued.

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>>23799207
judging by how Leina and Hathaway have been raised, you could argue Judau was a much better parent figure than Bright's ever been. So yeah, Judau was right all along, while Bright will only be remembered for his meme slap that never fixed anything

>>23768117
even Bandai acknowledges that its not canon and not a necessary watch.

>>23768735
I know that it's supposed to be fast, but has anyone in the series tried to shoot them down while doing a gattai?

>>23799433
Judau managed to force a docking while Gottn was trying to shoot the other ZZ components down, just a few eps after the ZZ Gundam debut

>>23799207
He put Wong in his place, so there's that.

>>23799664
It was profoundly satisfying to see wong get a bit of what he deserved for constantly attacking children.

>>23799730
Kamille deserved the beatings he got.

>>23799733
And wong deserved more beatings

I stopped watching this show around episode 14. I don't like it but my neighborhood black man told me it's becomes kino after 19. Should I give it another chance?

ZZ female character designs were top tier.

>>23799313
After going through all the shit he did on White Base and through Zeta, a third goddamn teenage newtype steals a Gundam and fights under his command. He’s just so fucking done with this shit, so done that he’s like “fuck it, Beecha can be the captain of the Nahel Argama and go fight Neo Zeon, I don’t give a shit anymore.”

>>23799830
I put when the chicken land on him as the exact point he gives up and just spends all his time off-screen drinking

>>23799756
The Qubeley shows back up in a few more episodes around there yeah, and that's when it really kicks into gear.

>>23799756
Once elpeo puru shows up the show gets really good.

>>23799830
Bright is the one that goes out of his way to recruit Judau and the Shangri-la kids, despite not showing half the talent Amuro and Kamille did, because Judau reminded him of them. That one is his own fault.

>>23799892
Bright is a newtype and new that Judau was his best chance of getting the hell out of there and getting to see his wife again

>>23799830
>>23799892
As much as he's so tired, on multiple occasions he goes out of his way and puts his neck on the line to defend the kids. It partly felt like Tomino going "adults bad", but I took it that with Bright's experience and intuition, something about these kids inspired genuine hope and confidence in him... but it also makes sense if it's some of that but quite a lot of them just reminding him of Amuro and Kamille.
Absolutely no fucking idea why or how Beecha became captain though. Feels like everyone just let it happen rather than this being anything natural, outside of Beecha wanting to be someone who orders people around

>>23800267
Bright isn't exactly and old man himself. He was 19 when he was in command of the white base. He probably knows exactly how these kids feel so he's in a hard spot when he has to pick a side.

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>>23800267
>Absolutely no fucking idea why or how Beecha became captain though
Beecha would have been less detrimental to the Argama crew by sitting on the captain chair rather than piloting a mobile suit, while Judau and Torres were the ones calling the shots anyway. Also, Bright's presence was requested to do the talking with the AEUG brass and get some reinforcements. It's all in the dialogues, why there are still people not getting that is really beyond me

>>23800290
Afaik this didn't really come up in 0079 although I should give it a rewatch, he might feel like a hypocrite of being just another one of the establishment guys if you're rooting for Amuro (rather than understanding that he's a human being in a difficult position), but during Zeta let alone ZZ
>three separate Titans beatdowns
>some of Kamille's objections and tantrums sort of have a point
>your friends are dying let alone your forces getting stretched thin
>the Federation's gradually getting worse and unreasonable
he's definitely more sympathetic to kids being dragged to war, especially Judau being so vexed with the Federation (who jailed them both and left them to die).
Bright doesn't have to be your favourite character, but if you feel no sympathy or fondness for him, you're probably a Titan
>>23800332
Beecha's not an abysmally bad pilot though, probably worse than both of the girls but still.
>while Judau and Torres were the ones calling the shots anyway
But yeah, so far no one really listens to him anyway, or outright tells him what he should be ordering.
>why there are still people not getting that is really beyond me
I've been using dogshit subtitles until recently, gomen, that's what I get for trying to save disk space
>Karaba's mentioned but the subtitles think the first instance of Karaba in ZZ isn't something noteworthy

>>23800342
It's funny to think that if he kept piloting, Beecha was on pace to have a better record on the Hyaku Shiki than Four Vaginas

>>23800351
also more successful at betraying everybody too

>>23800351
>>23800357
>Glemy was the Char of ZZ
>BEECHA was the Char of ZZ
Checks out

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>>23800357
>>23800413

>>23789371
Who is Franky?

>>23803682
A One Piece character.

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Happy 65th birthday, Naoko Matsui.

>>23804898
she cute

>>23804898
Got the more comprehensive list?

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>>23795205
This. This guys work is hit and miss its time for a new vision to come in and remaster the early UC and drop most of this Newtype junk plotarmor

>>23799849
>hen he was in command of the white base. He pr
Loli Lover

>>23808017
Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation, anon.

I just finished it

>70% of the show seems like filler
>Puru dies and all they did was a quick funeral and everyone just forgets about
her the next episode
>Rarasa gets killed by nothing??? And her death gets more mourning than puru
>Cartoon villain Zeon antagonists
>Haman fight is short
>That gay ass punch Judau does to Bright

It was ok/10

>>23809909
Tomino has said he made a mistake with ZZ Gundam. He was trying to make ZZ a lighthearted series filled with comedy since Zeta was so depressing. However the feedback he received from Japanese audiences was that he ruined Neo Zeon and they told him to take it more seriously. So he tried to make up for it with Char's Counterattack

>>23809912
The kick in the balls is that they split production to Focus on Chars Counterattack just to make it mid and not properly fleshed out. Chars Counter attack should of been a seperate anime then it would have plenty of time to develope new characters

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>>23811095
Because he didn't do it against a Newtype.

I finished it as well, I liked it overall but the last three episodes felt very rushed, including stuff that felt like plugs for CCA as well as dialogue and events that would end up repeating in pretty similar ways. As well as stuff that felt like Zeta's final fight and then 0079's ending. Mashymre and Haman didn't deserve this

>>23813396
Mashmyre and Haman totally deserved this.

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>>23809912
Led to the funniest gag from ZZ tho.

>>23813286
Yazan is deadlier than any Newtype.

>>23773787
Man, the characters with less stylized faces don't work at all with these proportions. They look like Warwick Davis

>>23813396
Knowing Bandai, they would have NOT increased the budget in the other scenarios you mentioned.

I remember reading that Tomino said it was extremely important for him to finish the Amuro VS Char rivalry on a big budget. He want great action scenes with good animation. Tomino felt a TV budget was not enough for aha the envisioned. Thats why he wanted a movie budget.

If he did an anime with extra episodes, it's very likely they would have told Tomino that his budget is reduced. Or to stretch out the CCA budget over many episodes. Thus reducing the quality.

>>23772315
I suppose it would make storage easier, also replacing entire parts of the equipment if they get damaged or need maintenance becomes easier the more modular it is, but let's be honest the real reason for it was always toys

>>23766970
what where these guys doing during cca, and unicorn etc fucking fags bitches

>>23814161
Victory is the only entry I can recall where they treat all the parts as being relatively mass production and replaceable. There's a few times where they have to deal with components being intercepted and having to send out additional top or bottom units.

>>23807794
Who's the fourth character in the top row?

>>23814184
IIRC Judah and Roux go to Jupiter and make cameo appearances in Crossbone. As for the rest, who knows.

>>23768117
Well then what is it?

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>>23817037
IIRC Roux is not seen in Crossbone, just Judau (nor is the Puru, who I hope is 2 since was never totally confirmed dead outside the novel who followed them in Evolve 10. But that was made after Crossbone, so duh.)

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>>23818444
not seen, but still there with him apparently. Don't know who that MineRva (with a R) could be though

>>23818503
easy translation error for people who don't know the intended spelling and assumed it was named after the mythological figure

>>23802432

Being a pathalogical liar I think is Char's greatest fault as a human.

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>>23818527
are you implying Mineva is part of Judau's merry womanfolk now?

happy birthday to a show that was fun but infuriatingly frustrating with how much potential it had.

dont get me wrong, i liked it and had fun. Judau was a neat change of pace even though i liked Kamille and Amuro a bit more, the cast was fun (mostly) and the show was overall entertaining and didnt really fuck anything up royally. given its production troubles/sunrise's meddling, thats a miracle.
>>23809912
I can see it. ZZ's main problem is that the overall plot of the neo zeon war is really disjointed, and the "no previous cast returning" rule hit really hard. Judau himself, while a good charecter overall, lacked the depth that Amuro and Kamille had through their own journeys. Judau starts off as a goof who just wants to help his sister and his firends and ends up as a goof who just wants to help his sister and his friends but is less of a twerp about it. Its fine, but leaves a bit to be desired coming off 079 and Zeta's casts being more fleshed out. Expanding on his backstory in side 1's poverty ridden shithole would have helped. Judau's suppourting cast varied widely in their quality. Beecha and Mondo were annoying shitbags in the first half and were. less annoying shitbags? i guess? Beecha becoming the Argama's captain was. certainly a choice, i guess. kinda made me a little less invested in the Nahel Argama as opposed to the two previous ships for some reason. Mondo was just grating through the whole thing imo. Roux was probably the most interesting of the cast. she can be a real bitch, sometimes for good reasons sometimes for bad reasons but it at least makes her interesting. her still having a thing for Glemmy despite being interested in Judau and Glemmy fully revealing how much of a creep he was was interesting as well.

Most of the villains were kind of lackluster, despite being fun. Haman hard carried in that reguard.

>>23818707
Also, the neo zeon war was done dirty with the pacing and tone issues that resulted from sunrise's meddling. The neo zeon war was being set up in zeta as a massive looming threat. the Federation was disorganized thanks to the titans takeover and subequent ass kicking, the AEUG won a hopeless battle with the titans, but were smashed in the face of Haman's force, and most of its heros were gone. this was a really compelling setup for a war that by all means should be almost as brutal and interesting as the one year war but just kind of meandered thanks to the studio demanding a certain percentage of mandatory upbeat episodes. The no remaining charecters from zeta coming back (aside from bright and a few others) also really hurt. Kamille was incapacitated but was a showstopper every time he made a breif appearance through the newtype powers and i felt there was a missed oppertunity to fill in for Quattro as the backseat mentor to Judau and flesh him out a little bit more. maybe he should have woken up from his vegetable coma in dublin, idk. the colony drop also kind of didnt make much sense, nor did the goings on of the rest of the war, despite having moments of brilliance that could have made for a much more compelling story if it were connected more coherently. Haman invades earth -> Feds cant fight back because the titan's takeover scattred them and the AEUG has to do the work -> Gelmy betrays Haman and Zeon eats itself and the AEUG has to stop side 3 civilians from getting slaughtered in the cross fire. this seemed to be the idea but the execution flopped.

Haman also didnt really feel like a villain tailored to Judau, despite the interesting little one sided love thing they had going on. She seemed like she was set up more for Kamille given a lot of similarties between the two where they were at in Zeta's ending. Glemy felt more tailored to Judau and could have been a very compelling bastard to rival Scirocco and Ghiren if he was more fleshed out.

>>23818719
i could go on but you get the point.

dont read this as me bashing the show. im not an autistic zetarager (double zetarager?) fuck. despite everything i did like the show but it was probably the weakest of the 4 main early UC entries despite having a lot of concepts that could have easily but it at the top.

its still a fun show with a lot of good moments and a (mostly) fun cast. and if i read all the things the production went through i would think it would have turned out to be a total shitshow, but somehow it wasnt.

happy birthday ZZ.

Enhanced ZZ is stupid because it's barely visually or mechanically different and the toys/kits just had to keep up with the lie and make them slightly different with fin lengths and shit.

It's stupid.

>>23818527
>>23818690
I mean she was in the Ideon crossover by the same guy.

>>23818707
>>23818719
>>23818724
ZZ Gundam could have worked if it was an OVA side story. Maybe the plot could be a group of kids fighting Titans remnants and later a smaller Neo Zeon occupation force. The Kids are fighting to reclaim their local colony and, as the story progresses, reclaim all of Side 1.

It could start off light hearted, with a bunch of kids doing "Home Alone" style sabotage to local troops. Funny comedy stuff. But as the story progresses, things get more serious when a few people in their friend group die when Zeon gets serious. Could be an interesting tale about learning to grow up in a time of war.

Give it 24 episodes.

>>23818707

Tomino has made it clear in interviews over the years since ZZ finished that he views ZZ as a bit of a failure.

He said he realizes he went too far and doesn't want to talk about the ZZ characters anymore.

With one major exception. Tomino said to all the fans asking about Mineva, he said Mineva story ended after ZZ. That she escaped Neo Zeon and politics. Mineva was able to have a normal life. She had a good childhood as a happy normal girl. Then lived the rest of her days in peace as a normal Woman. That she fully escaped her past and her story ended.

>>23818503
Who's Minerva?

>>23819160
>Ideon crossover
Hasegawa himself disowned it, though

>>23818707
I agree with this but also the fact that Elle and Mashymre were pretty likeable. the protags are seldom punished for their actions but that's due to both Bright being tired and the AEUG genuinely having fuck-all in terms of sufficient resources or pilots.
>>23818719
>Neo Zeon was supposed to be gigantic and intimidating
I guess that might explain why the writing needed a civil war, to halve it and then... have it just get absolutely destroyed by a pack of children.
>Kamille was incapacitated but was a showstopper every time he made a breif appearance through the newtype powers and i felt there was a missed oppertunity to fill in for Quattro as the backseat mentor to Judau and flesh him out a little bit more.
I liked Kamille as-is, helping Judau out while being effectively unconscious, sort of like a Ramenman to his Kinnikuman. I'd worry he'd steal the spotlight but having him be more of a mentor to someone other than Katz would have been neat.
I didn't care much for Glemy and I was hoping we'd get a better send-off for Haman, Neo Zeon was definitely done dirty as you say. I went into the show ready to love ZZ Gundam and I still do, but it's definitely the weakest. Also not sure why we got
>Zeta's final fight with CCA motivations
>the reunion with friends and family like 0079
>Sayla for some reason
The finale definitely felt original, but part of that is due to foresight of fucking CCA so that might not be completely fair.

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>>23819649
Elle is basically the Emma of ZZ. Way lower drama than everyone else relatively speaking, fairly reliable, fairly no bullshit, pilots the MK2 to good results even against much later mobile suits and should always be given a rocket launcher.

>>23819649
>Elle and Mashymre were pretty likeable
agreed. Mashymre could have been a really cool villain if he got some more time to actually be taken seriously instead of killing him off right after teasing the idea of him becoming a real threat. Elle honestly should have gotten more of the screen time that some of Judau's other friends got. Same with Fa. Fa got done very dirty by ZZ but ill save that rant for another day.
>I liked Kamille as-is, helping Judau out while being effectively unconscious,
Fair. like i said, he was a showstopper whenever he popped up.
> I'd worry he'd steal the spotlight but having him be more of a mentor to someone other than Katz would have been neat.
I feel like you could have the best of both worlds here by having him show up towards ZZ's latter half when Judau is in need of more fleshing out than his initial straight man but lovable intro that he got in the first half. Also much like Quattro, have Judau see most of the action but give Kamille some moments to shine. Maybe have him spend a little time looking for Char or something, idk.
>I didn't care much for Glemy and I was hoping we'd get a better send-off for Haman
this is why i said Glemy should have been given more time to cook. there was potential for him to be a really interesting foil to Judau by being someone of noble blood looking to start his own new conflict purely for lust for power as opposed to Judau's working uprbringing trying to end a conflict so people can live their lives. Also i feel like Haman's final fight with Judau didnt hold as much weight as her rivalry with Kamille did in the ending few eps of Zeta. I feel like that should have gotten a better payoff.

>>23819649
>the protags are seldom punished for their actions but that's due to both Bright being tired and the AEUG genuinely having fuck-all in terms of sufficient resources or pilots.
I get the logic here but the end result really hurt my immerision. compared to the ambitious but daunting to borderline hopeless feeling the AEUG's fight with the Titans felt like in Zeta or even the fight against Zeon in 079, ZZ just feels like everyone's kind of cakewalking the whole thing. not helped by the fact that the war itself is kind of incoherant in how its portrayed. the Fed's response to Neo Zeon's invasion, Neo Zeon just kind of doing things with little connection to them, or the AEUG just bouncing around felt lackluster compared to the dark horse rising they were set up to be in the latter half of Zeta. In Zeta Haman engineered the fight with the Titans to be a win win for them, where no matter who won there would still be hell to pay with the incoming army of fanatics ready for revenge for being confined to Axis for nearly a decade. then it all just kind of falls apart because the Nahel Argama singlehandedly did everything. the execution left a lot to be desired compared to what the concept was promising.
im not asking for suffer porn but it just feels like the war wasnt taken very seriously.
also the fact that the kids were just kind of allowed to captian the Nahel Argama and take it for themselves felt strange. nevermind how they got away with it, how do they even know how to work it? in 079 keeping the white base alive and moving felt like an undertaking for the whole crew. it felt like a bunch of kids who worked at a car scrap yard suddenly working an aircraft carrier. maybe thats just me though.

>>23787483
I mean, after the OYW, supposed "mass produced MS" see numbers like a couple dozen units shat out in one batch MAYBE. Mass production just isn't the same after the OYW. I think a lot of recent lore has tried to correct this to make all the conflicts after the OYW not total baby shit, but in Tomino's original vision it's like 30 Nemos vs a few dozen Marasais and then the issue is worse in ZZ where it's like 6 "mass produced MS" vs a batch of like 12 "mass produced MS"

>>23819724
>also the fact that the kids were just kind of allowed to captian the Nahel Argama and take it for themselves felt strange. nevermind how they got away with it, how do they even know how to work it?
What are you talking about? Most of the Argama's crew was still on the ship, Bright helped them steal it because he knew they could continue where he couldn't due to the Federation's political baggage holding him down

>>23819724
I haven't yet considered Bright's reaction to the ZZ gang against the backdrop of the revelation that AEUG was really just those few ships and randos propped up by (((AE aligned interests))) to put them in front of the cameras instead of Karaba
did Bright know that he was really just a puppet and AUEG was always just a ball of cats in a trenchcoat

>>23820463
>Most of the Argama's crew was still on the ship, Bright helped them steal it because he knew they could continue where he couldn't due to the Federation's political baggage holding him down
i know that, but some times you saw them working the helm and the bridge and even piloting it themselves. How'd they learn to do that? Mirai already had experience with freighters in 079 but these guys just kind of showed up and werent really seen being taught.

>>23820483
I legitimately do not know of a time the 'kids' helmed the bridge without Torres and the others helping them.

>>23820499
i remember it happened once or twice but i cant be bothered to go digging for screenshots so moot point i guess.

still, having them be in command of an entire warship seemed a little out there, but maybe thats just a personal gripe.

>>23820468
i get what youre saying but to my knowledge the brunt of the fighting and the key moments of the war were won by the AEUG in space. against the titan's at least. Karaba did work on the ground but the key strategic victories were won by the AEUG in space, since the Titan's space fleet and bases were the key components of their strategy to rule over the regular fed forces and the colonies.

>>23819713
>Fa got done very dirty by ZZ but ill save that rant for another day.
I agree with you agreeing with me on the other things, but I was just happy to see her sort of doing ok, albeit also feeling heartbreak and misery from seeing her and Kamille. I still prefer the Zeta and ZZ progression than the jarringly happy ending of the movie though.
>having him show up towards ZZ's latter half when Judau is in need of more fleshing out
That and give us some insight about Haman, whom he'd already met and had a deep connection and reading of. But oh yeah, you could just have him be semi-recovered and usually unable to pilot anything intense. If he's recovering from his coma, I wouldn't have the heart to demand that he pilot a super cool ZII Gundam or anything.
>spend a little time looking for Char
Thanks for the zero mention of Char and then suddenly telling us that he's going to be nefarious in the upcoming movie! Holy shit what an unnatural and unsubtle way to plug the movie.
>Glemy
If they were aware of the movie from the start, they could have done him better. I know someone mentioned that the Leina grooming was probably a hint that he was preparing to rise the ranks in post-war politics. Which is fine, it's just that he's just a clone-slave wrangler and a simp, and he's going against one of the more interesting and lovable antagonists of Gundam. You don't have to spell out his bloodline but definitely do at least drip-feed more about his ideals like what we got for Haman.
>related to Mineva by blood but there's zero indication of this in how he views or treats Mineva, neither disdain nor kinship
??
>lack of weight for the Haman fight
I was ready to cry for her, but instead I just felt bad for her not getting a better conclusion.

>>23820676
>the jarringly happy ending of the movie though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crOjGTplr6s

>>23819724
>really hurt my immerision
I was making active efforts to make sense of and enjoy the show, but the Purus' deaths getting largely ignored, and Beecha getting promoted out of fucking nowhere was insane. Bright constantly believing in them and defending them in front of the top brass was like, okay he sees something in them and I don't, I'm going to believe that he believes in them. But captain Beecha, to the protest of zero people, you're fucking kidding me.
>ZZ just feels like everyone's kind of cakewalking the whole thing
With the AEUG being crippled and us so rarely seeing the ever-cooperative AEUG and Federation sending reinforcements, and the bumbling miracle dream team of 7-pilots-at-most somehow crippling one or two Neo Zeon armies that - even if smaller than the Feds - was nearly at full strength? Yeah, the skirmishes with the odd+likeable Mashymre and Chara were believable, but man.
The surrounding stuff made sense to me though. AEUG's on its ropes and the Federation's looking after itself (even though I'm not sure to what extent the AEUG is the Federation, Anaheim, or literally just Bright), and Neo Zeon posturing and trying to (successfully) intimidate the Feds. I understand that Judau is one of the most powerful newtypes to exist outside of a coma, but he wasn't always fighting at peak condition and the others certainly weren't either. So like, you have zero wonder pilots and they're somehow steamrolling. Yeah.
>how do they even know how to work it
They were helping on the bridge in the regular Argama, and Torres and his buddy are still there. I'm more concerned that they can even function with such a bare-bones crew. One person for cooking and laundry, but I've never seen the engine room, the inner shit for the main cannon, or the anti-air guns. I genuinely don't even remember if Astionage or any engineering crew were on board for the final few fights.
>>23820463
>Most of the Argama's crew was still on the ship
Oh ok thank God
>>23820679
Yeah

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>>23820724
>I genuinely don't even remember if Astionage or any engineering crew were on board for the final few fights.
You should, because they gave ZZ it's final upgrade then

>>23820748
>they gave ZZ it's final upgrade then
Oh the bigger enhanced one that I couldn't notice the changes for, no yeah you're absolutely right

>>23820748
>>23820749
Never mind, the full-armor one rather, it wasn't namedropped but I'm definitely retarded

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>>23820749
>>23820748
The model sheet.

>>23820757
It was already fat to begin with

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>>23820771
surprise we made it fatter and slathered coconut oil all over it

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>>23820771
You don't like fat/bulky mecha?

>>23820788
Basically!
>>23820792
As long as it sort of looks like it makes sense. Whatever, I'll probably warm up to it in time, like I have with the Hathaway Gundam designs

Who the genuine fuck has been leading the AEUG after Zeta?

>>23821004
AE of course. Bright's the last remaining highest ranked member of the AEUG but he's a battlefield commander, not someone who plans campaigns.

>>23821004
No one really. Bright was last senior officer they had left. And he was just a military officer. Not a political leader or politician. So he was a complete buffoon and had no idea what he was doing. That's why he allowed the AEUG to join the Federation military despite the AEUG being an anti-earth movement. Stupid.