>>23796255
Indirectly murdering Astonaige, directly murdering a child and fueling fantasies of all the neets that self insert as Amuro because obviously that's what protagonists are for. Therefore they all see her as their wife and property.

>>23796255
She existed because Bandai didn't accept Beltrochika's Children version of Amuro being a family man, so Tomino had to replace Beltro for Chan.
Read Beltrochika Children manga. It makes more sense than the movie with the exception being the ending. The movie had a better ending

>>23796255
To show Amuro having a partner that he has trouble connecting with. Chan doesn't know what he feels but they try to make their relationship work, opposite is the case with Char-Nanai. She also is a mother to Nu Gundam
Psychoframe is a pesudo-womb that acts as conduit for Axis Shock. She helps in getting that vital chess piece across the board.
Also, the general Tomino commentary of 'adults bad' when her stubbornness gets Astonaige killed, butts into teenager's quarrel and shoots at Hathaway (who would have died if Quess had not sacrificed herself).

>>23796277
>Read Beltrochika Children manga. It makes more sense than the movie with the exception being the ending. The movie had a better ending
Beltorchika's Children ruins Amuro and Bel's character.
BC Amuro is like, I have to le surpass Char, otherwise I can't be a father and actually indulges in that blonde bitch's muh rivalry.
CCA Amuro is based who is like fuck that gay shit, my mission is to stop Axis, Char is not my top priority.
This is just a continuation of the theme of obsessive rivalry not belonging in war, it causes more harm to the person. 0079 Char and Jerid illustrate that point perfectly.

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What was the point of this character and culdn't they find a different voice actress that also enjoys cunnilingus?

Tomino was told "No" when he wanted a magic fetus to save the world.

>>23796277
The movie is just better in every way except mecha

>>23796310
She's here to bite off Char's dick if he's too much of a pussy

>>23796311
Well doing it a second time would be a bit on the nose.

>>23796312
Lalah says Char is right to exterminate humanity in the movie. No.

>>23796314
Messiah saves nothing. It shows the Ide cares nothing for women except as vessels for unborn souls, and then it sends all the souls of the dead back to Earth to reincarnate.

>>23796312
>except mecha
Nightingale sucks balls, Sazabi is way better.

>>23796318

Wasn’t Messiah the beacon that was guiding the souls to their new place of reincarnation?

>>23796335
Literally what I said.

>>23796318
>Messiah saves nothing
Uhhhh nigga he literally saves Karala.

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>>23796277
No she was inserted because the Japanese exacts wanted a Japanese love interest for omro instead of a white girl. Point fucking blank, they were old Japanese men so they were racist.

>>23796362
Execs* no exacts

>>23796362
>Chen
>Japanese love interest
retard

>>23796355
Please don't make me screenshot the snuff scene.

I remember Tomino said something in another interview Bandai's words is one thing, the other is he in the end took Beltorchika out because he wanted CCA in another direction at the time

>>23796307
CCA ruined both Amuro and Char.
Amuro was still obsessed with Lalah, didn't care about Chan feeling and only focused on Char to fuel the fujo fags.
While BC Amuro actually was thinking about his family life, and Beltro feelings like a straight man.
CCA Char is a pathetic mommy issues simp who jobbed to Amuro easily.
BC Char was more serious, didn't babble about stupid feelings, and almost wrecked Hi-Nu Gundam.

Good assist in SRW and cute design

I'm thinking of doing a Beltorchika's Children storytime, but I don't know how to save Firefox screenshots in my Pictures folder.

>>23796313
You mean vagina.

Felt like she was inserted as a deliberate way to make sure people didn't have to watch Zeta to understand what was going on. Whole movie feels like that

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>>23796494
>this shitty 0079 -> CCA meme again.

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>>23796368
Her last name is Agi you dolt. Chen is used in Japan too, it's written like this: 陳

>>23796458
>BC Char was more serious, didn't babble about stupid feelings, and almost wrecked Hi-Nu Gundam.
So he was out of character

>>23796277
I thought it was the issue of bastardy they had hangups about.

>>23796534
Thank you D'mite.

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>>23796562
We can't have our bastard Char Aznable *checks notes* father a bastard! My god the humanity!

>>23796311
Instead we got some mysterious steel T. Mr. T.

Seriously what was that T on Chan-chan?

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>>23796897
It is a magic T that stands for Tomino.

>>23796901
Lmao

>>23796897
A fetus.

>>23796901
The psychoframe was used to build Unicorn gundam later right? Btw whats the point in watching zz for watching cca movie?

>>23796940
To understand that Tomino is a bad writer who doesn't give a shit about consistent continuity.

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She was supposed to fuck Amuro until Hathaway fucked it up.

>>23796983
I mean, even if Hathaway didn't kill her Amuro was still going to die trying to stop Axis so you can't really blame him for that

>>23796994
She would've given him words of encouragement to make him succeed and survive.

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>>23796983
Nah, Amuro had a better chick to return to at the time.

>>23797012
Is she smart though?

>>23797040
She's young, but not too young, just like Amuro prefers 'em.

>>23797040
All the women's intelligence is roughly the same, it doesn't matter which one won Amurobowl

>>23796320
I'm glad someone on this board has the balls to say it

>>23796280
I think that's something people underrate, how everything about Amuro and Char contrasts the two different ways people shattered by the same experience of the OYW and dragged through subsequent conflicts are dealing with it.
Amuro's fucked up but he's trying. Amuro's at least trying to move on. It doesn't mean it's easy or working perfectly, but he likes Chan, Chan likes him and they're both trying to make something work. The 'business' connection through mecha design is more likely a meet cute than a motivating factor.
Then you have Char with pretty much the exact opposite. Char's resigned himself to never move past the OYW and instead wallow in what it made him. Everything about who he is in CCA is a performance for one audience or another. Nanai's probably the clearest example of it, he just sees her as a way to perform the political power couple for Neo-Zeon. The performance of a relationship with nothing beneath it. Amuro feels intruded upon by Lalah trolling him, Char simply can't move past her.

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>>23797119
>Char looking at Amuro being annoyed over meeting Lalah in dreams.
Some men die of thirst while others drown.

>>23796556
Out of character if he was like himself from 0079 and Zeta?

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>>23796255
The point of Chan was to contrast Amuro's choice in women to Char's choice in Nanai. Chan has a sad, lame pussy that makes Amuro look lesser for clinging to her, just as Nanai's makes Char look better. You can tell by how unfeminine Chan is when contrasted to the superior Nanai.

>>23796362
>>23796534
Names mean jackshit, Nationalities and ethnicities have stopped being a thing in UC due to Earth Federation being a global union state.
Her face looks Chinese and almost every character in CCA is drawn with Hollywood actors in mind.
Also, you don't even have the right info. Beltorchika was removed because they didn't want Amuro to be a family man as it didn't suit the hero of robot anime.

>>23797255
Have you even watched CCA or did you only experience it through /m/ posts

>>23797259
Of course I've watched it. The girls serve to show what sort of women the male leads cling to in the absence of Lalah.

>>23796277
I agree, Beltorchika's children is way better and I'm not afraid to say it. I have no special attachment to CCA and find the movie to be clumsy at best, BC at least takes a complete and coherent story

>>23797255
you might just be gay, anon.

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>>23797345
Relatable.

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>>23797255
Char came off like a bitch in CCA

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>>23797440
Yeah, that's kinda the point of the movie. Congratulations, you figured it out.

>>23797417
Why is build fighters there?

>>23797558
You wouldn't like the explanation because "women aren't human" is a default assumption for everyone on this site. So I'm not going to give it.

>>23797580
They probably don't like this "unspecific self-important whining", either.

>>23797580
That's...not how I think though. I'm honestly just curious, not looking for a fight.

>>23796255
The purpose of women in UC is for them to die.

>>23797588
The show's handling of China and Kirara comes off like the people in charge of the Gundam franchise think women could never enjoy it. Despite how women falling in love with Amuro, Char and Garma are the main reason this franchise had any future beyond 1980, and like half the people who showed up to Tomino's New Century Declaration were women.

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>>23797657
>The show's handling of China
lol wut

>>23797676
"The show constantly treats her like she's experiencing sentient thought for the first time".
Also treating Beargguy as the only gunpla girls would like.

>>23797681
Oh my god I forgot her name was China and I legit thought you were talking about the country.

Some girls are like that in real life though. Some women are Fraw Bows and others are Saylas, ya know? That doesn't make them bad characters or misogynistic representations of women.

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>>23797683
It's not really an interesting character though. Though even then, I doubt it's really that bad to deserve putting the show in the same kind of misogyny pit as Zeta and AGE as opposed to the "disinterested with women" tier the tiermaker put 0080 and Narrative in.
I wish the Builds had a female character who liked the show but didn't really like the gunpla. Instead the show fanboys are guys like Sei and Mao

>>23797657
okay but they're not going to have china be a fucking fujo so what do you expect

>>23797698
I didn't say China had to be it.
Plus I think it was Kirara that put it over the edge for the tiermaker, and the only other female character being Aila, who's just a copy-paste of Allenby but without the Nobel Gundam.

>>23797417
>0083
>Zeta
>misogyny
Since when "let women be what they want to be" is misogynistic?

>>23797795
No woman wants to be a Cyber-Newtype.

>>23796255
Tomino wanted Beltorchika back because he forgot to do anything interesting with her in Zeta (oh wow... she held a camera...)
The sponsors said no because she would cramp Amuro's style. Amuro has lots of fans, Beltorchika has almost none. It was implied in this demand that Amuro shouldn't have a girlfriend any more.
Tomino decided to cave to the exact wording of the demand, but ignore the implication.
We got Chan, another character who does nothing, except be a kind of metaphorical mother of the Nu Gundam's psychoframe. Whatever that implies. I think her main contribution to the movie is in showing that Amuro is still straight honestly.
Anyway Tomino is obsessed with having too many characters in all his stories, and Chan is a symptom of that.

>>23797802
Are you saying that female athletes that compete at the high level wouldn't want to use drugs to win if they had to?

>>23797802
>women are controlled and exploited by men
Isn't this exactly what feminists want us to acknowledge? Why is it then bad for anime to show this social commentary?
Does it not count unless it has a "women stronk" revenge fantasy at the end? Oh wait, that's exactly what Zeta did with how all the cyber newtypes are the ones that beat Scirocco.

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If Zeta is so misogynistic then how and why does it introduce the best, most beloved, and most jerked off to female character in the franchise? Checkmate atheists.

>>23797810
>most jerked off to
That's the misogynistic part, I guess. Men aren't allowed to be attracted to women.

>>23797810
>most jerked off to
Probably Lacus let's be honest. Even though Murrue is clearly hotter from the same show.

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>>23797817
Lacus hasn't been around as long and if we are including the past five years of OL Haman she has her beat.

lmao yeah haman is so popular people get recommended to skip the show where she's the main villain she's such a huge draw

Stand in for Beltorchika who was a stand in for Sayla.

>>23797810
Puru Two came from ZZ though.

>>23797848
>t. retarded saylafag

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>>23797848
I've been reading through Pulitzer and it's doing a pretty good job of damage control for Beltrochika (and Chan by proxy).

>>23796255
There was no point to Shart's Counterattack at all. Completely unnecessary slop rehash of 0079's finale.

>>23797795
>>23797808
>>23797812
You just don't get along with women with this attitude, give up trying to understand them

>>23796255
always looked like she just got no ass. at all

>>23798399
You do though? It's not that complicated.

>>23797829
this. the only people i ever see talking about haman are the obsessive retards on this site

>>23798876
Onmi calls her the Queen of /m/

>>23796940
>Btw whats the point in watching zz for watching cca movie?
I would say, two things.
Firstly, it foreshadows the passivity and apathy of the Federation politicians we see in CCA. Their willingness to basically roll over for Char for three quarters of the movie seems uncharacteristic without seeing how they handled (or rather, were handled by) Haman in ZZ. You might also consider the political rift that has opened up between the sides and Earth to be something foreshadowed in ZZ, which results in them initially being willing to just watch Char drop Axis. We are already headed inexorably towards the Warring States Period as of ZZ.
Secondly, it shows the extent to which all kinds of ordinary people are frankly sick of the Earth Federation's existence and authority. They let down the people on Side 1, they let down the people they sell out to Haman by negotiating with her, they let down the Africans, they let down the Dubliners, they let down Judau personally. This hostility that is festering between a few Federation politicians and the rest of humanity is the whole ideological basis of Char's war, why anyone supports him. In Zeta, it appeared to be just the Titans who were despised by society at large, with only vague implications of the wider Federation being bad (mostly in that they keep supporting the Titans right up until Dakar).

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>>23798979
The moment when EFF shows up towards the end of CCA to push off Axis just doesn't hit the same if somebody hasn't seen Judau getting frustrated by them appearing super late in ZZ's last episode. Those two scenes are in direct conversation with each other.

>>23796277
It's this.

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>>23796255
to look cute and make amuro's dick feel good. what else are woman good for?

>>23796307
>Char is not my top priority
He literally says in the film that he's willing to sacrifice his life to end Char's

>>23796310
What woman DOESN'T enjoy cunnilingus?

>>23796562
That's what I heard too. Tomino wanted Amuro to be having a baby with Beltorchika. Bandai said 'All right, but he's got to be married'. Tomino said 'No, I want them to just be living together and having the baby out of wedlock'. So Bandai said we're not gonna greenlight that and Tomino went back to his original concept for the film

>>23797817
Lacus is boring. Flay was best girl, She was a fucking whore and died like a bitch but God was she fap worthy doing it

>>23806357
I have said since seed came out that lacus was a plot device she is not a character. She is totally flat with no personality not even Mary Sue. I will tote this flag until I die because I've already been holding on to this notion for 20 years or so.

She was just a plot device that was created to give kira & co toys.

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>>23797688
>The Origin
>Hathaway's Flash
>Don't know what women are
>Women are the most prominent characters
What is this retarded bullshit you have posted here, anon?

>>23806347
Cause he is dropping an asteroid on Earth and people are dying while trying to stop him. When the Axis nears the Earth he is willing to ditch Nu (Char even gets surprised by this) and prioritize destroying it from inside.

>>23796255
Nevermind her, what's the point of the T?

>>23806358
>I have said since SEED came out that I don't have functioning eyes or ears
Ftfy

>>23806358
>>23806357
Lacus is the most gorgeous girl however.

>>23806364
pretty small red flags then

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Reading this in hindsight of the scandal is fucking funny.

>Furuya-san, are you not good with active women like Beltorchika?
It’s no good, I’m really not good with that type (laughs). For me, the ideal woman in the Gundam series is Chan. Waiting outside the door with your knees in your arms, how noble and cute, isn’t it? I’m not good with women like Beltorchika who step in without thinking about the distance between us.
That’s why when I was working on Zeta, I couldn’t understand Amuro’s state of mind, and I didn’t like Beltorchika because she was too brazen, so I had a lot of regrets. It was a different dilemma than when I played in Gundam, and I was acting with a sense of hesitation. In that sense, it is one of the big bumps in my life as a voice actor.
I think it’s the same with any kind of work, but depending on if you’re satisfied with what you’re doing or if you’re not, the results and sense of accomplishment are completely different. Especially in a job like ours, if you act without convincing yourself, it will become a false performance. In that sense, I have regrets.
Some time later, I was given the opportunity to play the role of Amuro in the movie version of Mobile Suit Z Gundam (hereafter, Zeta: A New Translation), and this time I wanted to play Amuro realistically, with full understanding of his state of mind and the situation he was in. What I did for that was fall in love with Beltorchika.
Why is Amuro attracted to Beltorchika? I thought about that first. After all, men who risk their lives on the battlefield need a supportive foundation. I think it’s their goal to return alive, to a place where you can enjoy life for a short while. Surely, for Amuro back then, Beltorchika was that kind of woman, a necessary existence. That’s why I came to think that he was attracted to her.

>>23807415
Then it’s just a matter of how I feel. There was a meeting party before the dubbing, and I asked Maria Kawamura-san, who plays Beltorchika, “I want to fall in love with her, so can you give me a hug?” (laughs). This allowed me to go into the recording with a good understanding of what I was doing, and in fact, I think my performance was completely different from that of Zeta.
https://www.kishisdoujinshicorner.com/2024/03/17/amuro-ray-pia-mook-interview-with-toru-furuya/

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>>23797803
fuck you faggot, Bel is cool and one of the key person behind Day of Dakar.

>>23797012
Literally who?

>>23797345
>upscaled thumbnail

>>23797417
>>23797688
>just plain thumbnails

Why?

>>23796255
>We have Bertochka-Sayla at home

>>23812087
why is tomino dressed like that

>>23812298
There's sarin gas in that umbrella.

>>23812298
he is a serial killer.