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This is the alternative MLP fan site general thread. Discussion, development suggestions, and criticisms are all welcome here.
Just Over a Week Till April Fools' Edition
>why alternate boorus?
The absolute state of Derpibooru has led to the development of various alternatives. Many altbooru staffmembers are present ITT, listening to comments and answering questions.
Note that this is NOT the Derpibooru drama general. Please keep posts about Derpibooru in the mlpg.co thread.
>why alternate text sites?
Pastebin persistently purges pony pastes. FimFiction does not allow stories in greentext format. FimFetch censors foalcon and other material deemed to be "unacceptable" by the whims of its libelous hypocrite: https://ponepaste.org/9926
>general purpose boorus
ponerpics.org by Lotus [!!VL3e2tgvNo5]
ponybooru.org by Zizzy [!DizzyMC4pc]
twibooru.org by Twifag and Filly (formerly Floorb) [!!mdpTjuXo6BG]
>specialized boorus
booru.foalcon.com by Pathos (underage)
lyrabooru.org (hot glue)
>(green)text and other fanfiction
ponepaste.org by Aftercase [!!KXV0q+Lg38e], managed by Filly
>dedicated archives
a0346f102085fe9f.github.io/IAS2
foalfetch.net by Filly
horsewords.org
iwiftp.yerf.org by Rome
mulpwiki.batpony.party
mlpcon.info
>video sharing
pony.tube by Twifag and Filly
>file sharing
pone.rs
>microblogging
pone.social by Twifag and Filly
>link shortening
derpy.me
On past /fast/s:
>Ponerpics duplicate queue has several hundred reports awaiting an update to Derpi metadata handling
>Twibooru importer disrupted by Derpi API change; fix implemented and missed images retrieved (and again)
>SunBooru resumes development
>Twibooru begins importing from Manebooru
>PonePaste UI improvements go live
>Pony.Tube future expansion under consideration
>Ponerpics disables anonymous tag editing to curb spam; results promising
>derpy.me back online after purging spam links
>IWIFTP relaunches Tor hidden service: 647jnod5oc7bzj3tpjq2qaaq6j73sa4h43whqeubkvkbvm52yecm72id.onion
>Twibooru slows to a crawl due to a network routing issue; fix implemented overnight
>IWIFTP launches i2p service: ow7qtlpe3u36qob4dgoo3opifaj335hbk6gxv43tfjjzhvky5zwa.b32.i2p
>PonePaste domain expires; gets transferred to Floorb
>PonyTube and Pone.Social receive updates courtesy of Floorb
>Ponerpics prev/next image shortcuts fixed; move to Ponybooru fork of Philomena announced
>New Twibooru scraper code published: https://github.com/Twibooru/nuboorumon
>pone.rs ShareX functionality fixed
>Twibooru SVG importer fixed, hopefully for the last time
>Ponut.Space taken offline following CP spam
>IWIFTP experiences server issues; potential for extended downtime
>Quad9 DNS blocking FoalFetch once again
>PonePaste fixes out-of-memory bug affecting database dumps
+Ponybooru runs out of disk space; VM updated with more storage
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>>43124483
Out of curiosity, what made you pick le snek language to write your booru in?
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>>43127679
>search for Ponerpics
>get pictures of planes
>search for Twibooru
>get pictures ofhorsecock
W--What did Commons mean by this?
>>43128458
There's no shortage of porn on Wikipedia, but this is the first well-known clop artist that's made it on there.
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Anon who was inquiring about LTO tape here: I ended up buying an LTO-6 tape drive for around $300. I've not even got all the parts yet to try it out and I realize I've already made a mistake. So here's a bit of a PSA for others potentially interested in tape. Tape cartridges come in both R/W and WORM variants. You cannot format a tape with a filesystem if it is WORM. I was hoping to format with LTFS, hoewever I had purchased WORM carts. Glad I only purchased two to start out with. Also another quirk of the gen 6 LTO tapes in particular is that they can also come in two different chemistries. Metal particle or BaFe. BaFe is supposedly better and is what's used in newer generations. I'll probably post some more updates when I get things actually working.
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>>43129381
Yes. I suppose I didn't notice the label at first, and even the R/W tapes I've read that the only way to delete is to reformat the whole tape. Which is fine. I don't plan on rewriting them. But I do want to be able to mount the tapes as a filesystem. They also have hardware write protect switches which is nice.
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>>43129413
Why are you using tapes for that, why not just use M-Disc BD-Rs (or if it's small enough, DVD-Rs, they're somewhat sturdier even)? It's probably even more cost effective despite the fact you need more discs.
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>>43129529
>somewhat sturdier
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>>43129678
You're starting to notice just now? There's always been behind the scenes fuckery. It's to be expected when you have a site so big with so many different kinds of people... And admins and mods with a clear agenda they have to keep hidden
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>>43129529
I plan to store around 50TB. Even with the largest 128gb discs, that's still 400 discs. Which is a lot compared to the 20 LTO-6 tapes it would take to store the same data. At around $12.5 per disc, that's $5000 plus the cost of a drive that can write those discs. Whereas with LTO-6 you can buy a pack of 20 for around $400. Equipment wise the drive cost $300, a fiber channel card cost $12, fiber channel cable cost $12, and a cleaning cart for $20.
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>>43129375
You might be able to find a ponybro to take those WORMs off your hooves in /pts/: >>43095705
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>>43129529
Optical media is painfully slow to write and labour intensive. A tape can store many TB (largest ones are like 30TB) and there is no need to swap to a different disc every hour or two. Plus it's way way smaller than a 100 disc, much cheaper overall.
There is a reason why nobody is using optical media anymore.
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>>43129926
Well if you need to store that much tapes probably make sense.
>>43130368
Tape is painfully slow to write AND read. There's little use case for it besides storing very large amounts of data that you plan to keep in rest for 10+ years. Otherwise just buy a HDD and swap all data to a new one every X years. Cheaper and faster, and also more future proof since the media and drive are not separate from each other.
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>>43130396
>painfully slow to write
Show me an optical media which can write at 360Mbyte/sec.
>slow to read
Show me an optical media which can read 360Mbyte/sec.
Seeking is slow, not read or write. And we are comparing to optical media not HDDs. Don't change the goalpost. But since you changed the goalpost: failure rate of HDDs are astronomically higher than tape. Because if it dies you lost all the data on it (eg head crash, platters scratched). If the tape is torn, you only lost a section. The file system on a tape is also designed in a way that if you loose a section, you only lost that section. Only exception is the catalogue (which you should always have another backup of just in case).
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>>43130413
>go spend thousands
LoL anon, have you checked prices lately?
A 12TB lto8 tape cartage is about 75€, while a 12TB hdd is 400€, br dl (the cheap one which rots away in 5 years) is about 500€ for 12TB.
Tape is cheaper after 120TB than br dl (which i remind you, you have to throw away and rewrite every 5 years), and cheaper after 180TB than hdds (which also craps themselves after every 10-15 year at best). Do the math. I included the cost of the tape drive itself (3500€) into the calculations.
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>>43130710
Oh you haven't heard?
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42980832
Which led into
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43116485
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>>43130711
Did Czu responded to use it on Wikipedia? Because I think they need his permission to use it. I do not think Czu actually responded to this yet.
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>>43131003
Are you saying that he purposely made it to be on Wikipedia? Because it seemed to me, that he was only supporting that one image of Wiki-tan mare being deleted. Not to be posted on a Wikipedia article.
I don't mind it being there, I was wondering if he gave the greenlight to post on Wikipedia.
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>>43130710
>which one of you did it?
You do realize Commons logs are public, right? ^:)
>>43130923
>I think they need his permission to use it
At first, I also thought permission was required because the JPEG upload was labeled as CC0. However, that label was incorrect, and has since been fixed. Since the image incorporates a Wikipedia screenshot, it is a derivative work subject to Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0. As a result, it must be licensed under those terms, and neither Czu nor the uploader can relicense it as CC0.
>>43131015
Though he wouldn't have been so WP:BOLD as to put it up there himself, Czu has graciously provided me with the original-quality file with the express permission to upload it to Commons in order to replace the JPEG. As previously stated, CC BY-SA 4.0 applies, and so the Wikimare drawing incorporating a Wikipedia screenshot is exempt from the usual copyright release process.
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>>43131015
if you don't think the thought of
>lol wouldn't it be funny if it got put on the page too
didn't go through his head at least once, you're goofy
also I'm pretty sure he would be one of the first people to know about it once it happened, since people would probably message him about it, and he hasn't seemed to say anything about wanting it taken down.
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>>43131040
quick reminder that 4chan compresses files now when you post them, so is there a chance you could throw it up on poners or something? and thank you for the info by the way, good to have settled and nice to have the full pic
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>>43131050
If you mean the censored edit I just posted, sure, I can upload it. As far as the original, uncensored pic, it's already been imported to Poner: https://ponerpics.org/images/7467465
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>>43131040
Wait a second... Are you... Isaac or GM?
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>>43131040
If that's the case, why do I see this then?
>An email has been received at VRTS concerning this file, and can be read here by users with a VRTS account. The email is in a queue awaiting processing. For an update on the issue, please contact the user (Krdbot) who added this template to the page, or someone else with a VRTS account, or the VRT noticeboard. If a valid permission is not provided within 30 days of the first response by a VRT agent, this file will be deleted. Please do not file an additional deletion nomination for permission reasons.
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>>43131070
I am /a/ GM, though likely not the GM you're thinking of in the context of Wikipedia.
PS: it's Issac, not Isaac.
>>43131082
In the brief window of time where the Commons page displayed CC0, there was a perceived need to send an explicit release confirming the license via email. However, now that the license has been clarified to be CC BY-SA 4.0, the release is no longer necessary. At this point, dealing with the mistakenly-sent email is an administrative matter for the Wikimedia Volunteer Response Team.
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>>43132120Remember these shit? I had like 5 of them back in the late 1990s/early 2000s. Made regular backups of my back then huge 10gb HDD on a 8x speed CD burner. None of which I ever managed to read back after 3-5 years after I accidentally deleted a folder containing photos and I did not notice it for years. Plus every single magazine came with a CD or two every month.
I would say the last time I used optical media was 10+ years ago but that would be untrue. Hospital gave the MRI scan to me on a CD this year. Had to go to the attic to find a sufficiently old (and working) machine which had a working CD drive in it. Yay for not throwing anything out (except all the optical media I had, including like 100 blank RW CDs, DVDs).
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>>43131092
Oh so you're Goldie Meddle.
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>>43133648
>marketing
Well, it's not quite a file, but I'm putting on a Marecon presentation in exactly 24 hours' time:
https://marecon.live/schedule/saturday/
Come listen to me discuss moderating these sites, if you so desire.
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>>43136870
So, about that "24 hours" thing... How does 6 hours from now sound?
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>>43140479
Cool panel, interesting insights, thanks anon. Somehow made youbothappear less insufferable than these threads, no offense.
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>>43141163
Thanks, nonny, and none taken.Filly really came in clutch, and this wouldn't have been half the panel--well, it technically wouldn't have been a panel at all in the absence of a second participant--without my surprise guest.
>>43141166
I thankfully recorded the entirety of it (though not the Cytube chat), so you can bear the full brunt ofourautism once I've stitched it together and uploaded it to Pony.Tube.
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>>43146103
https://pony.tube/w/2eMYni1FdTEEDJknTXEbSP
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after about a day of indexing and some development, i've made a simple open-source interface for searching TPA, albeit in a very rudimentary state (for now)
the index has metadata for an estimated 480k+ files including everything up to ~33% of /archive/youtube
search is basic trigram similarity search, support for vector/semantic search is part of future plans (see the rest in README todo)
site: http://search.twilight.horse
repo: https://github.com/compscitwilight/tpa-search
postgresql dump (112MB compressed): https://dumps.search.twilight.horse/public.sql.gz
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>TPA update
Z+ public hosting shut down, saving some more cash now.
I and the business are "debt free" but I'm still putting in more than TPA makes.
Subscribe Star started working again, numbers are back to what they were (genuinely no idea what happened there) So I'm only in the hole about 450 or so a month instead of 700.
New tape decks installed, but my personal 1k gamble on an LTO8 drive failed the init roll, nat 1 error code 5. Drive is gone.
48 bays of tape, supporting LTO 4, 6, and 8.
>what now
Uhh thankfully it works right now. I've been adding sections of iwiftp onto TPA so that it too will be included on our next tape release.
>tape anon
Hi anon, if you don't feel like purchasing a super expensive drive I'll happily write your tape for you for free. Just pay shipping on the tape. I suppose this offer only works though if you were interested in TPA / iwiftp (main pony things), getting me other data would require sending in a hard drive or two.
>save money on drives
I buy most of my stuff working on ebay, it's a lot cheaper but sometimes you do get bit by non working equipment. All of my loaders are HP MSL2024s but I'm probably going to only pick up IBM TS or Dell TL series later. They're the same internally but the IBM and Dell models can be reflashed to a BTD Flexstor II firmware - and that allows the autoloader to use ANY tape drives, not just specific brands. You can flash the HP ones too but then the front screen doesn't work lol.
>save money on tape
Don't. Used tape is a gamble that's only worth it on LTO5 and down, one 40 dollar used tape can shred a $600 used LTO6 drive.
>future plans
finish out these fookin scripts, mail them out.
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>Tape Anon
I assume you mean me. I ended up purchasing an LTO6 drive for around $300. I will be buying new/sealed tape. Currently I'm planning on buying these Fujifilm BaFe cartridges. I just have one at the moment to test though to see if I want to go through with this. I finally got everything to connect the drive but haven't yet due to Marecon.
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finally starting to get a bit of my desire to work on anything back... i blame the spring starting! i've got the following on my to-do list right now; does anyone have anything else obvious i'm forgetting?
>twibooru importer stability improvements
>twibooru api improvements (requested by anons)
>ponepaste mobile overflow fixes
>ponepaste improved search
>foalfetch automatic fimfiction import + update existing database
>foalfetch support for non-fimfiction sites (i would love to archive ponyfiction.org for example)
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>>43151283
The main issue there is that the automation for renewal/replacement just doesn't work. I've tried a few things to take it, but I need to wait for the cert to expire again to properly test it, and by the time that rolls around I've forgotten what I had tried already.
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>>43151384
too little time where i am awake and able to do anything; if you sleep 12h a day, work 8h a day, eat and shower for 1h a day, and then lay in bed depressed for 3h a day, i would consider that too little time. i'm trying to resolve that last part.
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>>43151478
absolutely no fucking idea. it's not a virus or bacteria or fungus infection, it's some kind of persistent inflammation of my throat that nobody can find the cause of so they're just trying every possible treatment one by one. every time it starts to get better something seems to happen that causes it to go right back to terrible.
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>>43146331
Additionally, here's a choppier version with chat:
https://pony.tube/w/dWGbS3e6sqiWkeaDxqRkc2
>>43146661
Substar has been stumbling for a while, but that's only natural after it shot itself in the foot.
>>43147154
I wish you well on your descent into the depths of datahoarding.
>>43150688
Are you planning on implementing any versioning features in Foalfetch to avoid the scenario wherein a writer vandalize--er, rewrites an older fic and replaces the original version with the new and "improved" one?
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>>43151711
>versioning features
yes! i would love to do that.
>>43152059
i'm just tired all the time.
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Daring Do Trilogy
https://u.pone.rs/rzrvkyvb.pdf
Tracy Cage Trilogy
https://u.pone.rs/yvmsoabu.pdf
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>>43130710
Oh some guy deleted it now. Adding that the image is a little much. Here we go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clop_(erotic_fan_art)&oldid =1347025544
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>>43154989
What is it with this character anyway? I see her everywhere now
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>>43160647
Unfortunately, Fimfiction takes the Alexandria approach to librarianship, and no archive of the site has the specific feature you desire. Your best hopes are looking through your browser history or going on a vision quest.
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I just looked at the PonePaste Ko-Fi and... Nice digits.
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whenever an american or something asks for a takedown on Twibooru and i say no they are usually just like "oh OK then goodbye" but whenever someone from the UK asks, they typically cite UK law explicitly, and then when I say we aren't based in the uk and uk law doesn't apply to us, they just start reeeeing and saying "BUT ITS AGAINST UK LAW!!1111oneone"
are there any UK anons here who can maybe shed some light on this shit? like do they explicitly teach you in school that your laws apply to everyone or something? or is there some greater culture of entitlement over there that i just don't understand?
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>>43164827
>like do they explicitly teach you in school that your laws apply to everyone or something?
they have a legal concept called "parliamentary supremacy" that can be summarized as
>If the British Parliament prohibits smoking in streets of Paris it is illegal to smoke in streets of Paris
As long as the law doesn't specify the British Islands the law applies to the entire world. The only "limit" here is obviously Brits' inability to execute said law across borders, especially in the United "we rebelled against the crown" States
see Ofcom "fining" 4chan over email
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>>43164827
>ponerpics is in UK
oh no
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>>43165806
anyone else think that messing with rules for april fools was a terrible idea? make your jokes as annoying as you want, policy changes can kill sites. joking about them like this is at best poor taste and at worst a sign of things to come.
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flooooooorb when are you going to update ponytube's peertube version and add more storaaaaaage
>>43167661
Consider not being an autistic retard that gets triggered by april fools jokes.
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How the fuck do you guys access the pastes on horsewords.org? There's only 20 stories there that I can view and it says there's 61694 stories total, but switching pages doesn't do shit. Do I gotta make an account? There's only the option to log in, but not to sign up.
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>>43129375
BaFe's like, the best possible type of cassette chemically for archival (given you keep it far from magnetic sources in a metal box) what feels scammy is the WORM part because, unless of some tech or stuff I ignore about, a magnetic support can be erased and re-recorded a large number of times, until the tape wears out. which is why i enjoy magnetic storage for backups having an LTO tape on my PC from a server that does the job right, it's an originality.
>>43129529
when you have a chunk of TB to backup, it would take a few BluRays and organizing, I love optical too since it's a medium that will in some case outlive most of us. But in the idea, if you have backups of the past years, you just burn a new BD for the new uploads and comments. This also works!
Both are decent, but yeah 6Tb for less than 50bucks, sounds smart.
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>>43170328
WORM isn't a "scam," it's designed for specific use cases like legal recordkeeping where the data must not be tampered with in any way. There is indeed nothing special about the tape in the cartridge, it's just about a) the low-level format and b) how it presents itself to the tape drive. But these are desirable things, rather than hindrances, if you're the target customers for WORM tape.
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Zeit für a paar neue sachn!
The Website archive is in the process of being fully moved over to archive.org. I recently resolved a persistent upload issue with their support team. This will free around 12TB of space.
You can now find Tumblr, YouTube, and the Websites at https://archive.org/details/@iwiftp
The Image archives for Pony, Furry, and the Chinese animations are in the process of being fixed up and the download tasks being moved over to the new downloader instead of the 5 different pure bash scripts I wrote years ago and are 1000's of lines.
New features include:
- Proper usage of canonical site IDs
- Support for all file types these sites allow in upload
- Proper naming of main and auxiallry files , exempli gratia (name).api.json, (name).comments.json, (name).description.json, etc cetera
- More useful handling of errors, retries, and so forth
- Actual user interface
- Built in de-duplication due to the use of content addressable storage
At some point it will switch over and greatly reduce the amount of space taken.
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Tape Anon here. Starting to make some progress with the tapes. I think I may have changed my mind on LTFS. I really like that there are tools built directly into Linux (mt tar) to interface with LTO drives and I think I want to use them. Planning on making some simple bash scripts to make working with them a bit easier.
My current quandary that I'm working on is appending data to tapes with content already on them. There are two different ways to accomplish this. You can use tar and append to the archive itself or you can use mt to advance to eom, write a file marker and create a new tar archive separate from the first. From what I read the first option is a bit more dicey in terms of getting it right and not corrupting existing data. So I'm thinking I will use the second method and write every file to it's own tar (supposed to be better for seeking as well). However this does complicate file extraction as I will need to iterate over all the archives on the tape, using mt in between to advance to the start of the next archive.
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I plan on storing them in their cases in a drawer. I live in a very mild climate, so temperature should be fine. Maybe for a few days in August it may be just above 73f recommended max. The only problem might be the high humidity here. I suppose I could store it with one of the mini closet dehumidifier packs if I were that worried about it.
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>>43174548
For pretty much all of their post-Soviet history they were worse (worse economy that only exists on Russian bailouts, worse freedums(only European nation to still do death penalties), etc)
As of now they are slightly better because (a) Russian censorship of the Internet is too draconian and (b) they aren't as heavily sanctioned as Russia, lmao
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>>43174934
yeah Lukashenko & co. realized that the rest of Europe are so bad they might as well be less retarded with their authoritarianism
for exampleiirche's REALLY into crypto, while Russian Duma (parliament) is currently thinking of ways to kill the entire cryptomarketeven though sanctions made USDT and other coins mandatory for international purchases; They themselves use it ffs
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>>43175618
But anon, I'm fairly certain that '); DROP TABLE ponies; -- was my username? Can you check that one for me in the database directly?
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how to fix a sluggish server
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TPA now has starlink backup, why? I guess ponies matter in the apocalypse or something.
It was cheap, it's $5 / month for backup connectivity.
Also if it rains anymore my servers might be under some water (it's free water cooling)
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>>43164827
C**'t b*lieve t**y've f*u*d T**booru w*th th* pr*-*azi *t*nces **d L*T*RAL Z*OPHILI*, *h*t **e w* g*n*a d* g*ys?I actually wrote a C program to write that retarded text. Why do zoomers censor themselves constantly?
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>>43180179Don't quote me on this as it's a second hand hunch, but apparently some social media sites will show your post to fewer people if you use no-no words. Won't somepony think of the advertisers?
It's funny and sad that they seem proud of this self-censorship.
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>>43180179The usual suspect is the panopticon. Surveillance moguls intentionally amplify everybody's neuroses. "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are recording and reporting everything", right?
Or it may be poor writing skills. When people have no confidence in their ability to clearly communicate their attitudes using words alone, they will naturally seek out other means. It's worse with nazis because glowniggers are trying their damnedest to cleanse this word of any condemnation now. I wouldn't know myself how to succinctly communicate the idea of "nazis, and I mean it in a bad way" to a mixed group of antifa-hating victims of project gladio 2.0 and people free of that brain worm. Asterisks may be too heavy-handed for me, but the struggle is real.
Or it may be a broken feedback loop. You have old-fashioned languages that undergo renewal all the time, with people tabooing random words for made up reasons and pulling replacements out of their asses, and you have states and empires that force upon people hyper-normative languages that are constant in time in space. Something in people's souls may register the second type of languages as an anomaly and do what control loops do best: thoughtlessly put into overdrive everything that used to speed up the change of languages of the first kind. I don't know if it makes any linguistic sense, but it's a fun idea to play with.
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I suspect it has a lot to do with YouTube and other major services where posters have to dance around arbitrary censors on the platform. The ass trick users are just copying what they see content creators use.
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They also demonitize if there's swearing within the first few minutes of the video. I think there is more, and certain subjects as well, but nobody really knows what the algorithm will flag so they just censor everything in hopes that they make it through.