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KC-135 down over Iraq

>>2067583
Non-civilian plane crashes in warzones/warzone adjacent regions don't seem like they should count to be honest

>>2067584
It's not a "war" though so this counts

>>2067585
unlike the rest of the "war on terror", the president explicitly said he intends to go to war with the country of iran rather than any non-state group within it as was done with the taliban, al-qaeda, etc

>>2067583
lmao, defence industry stonks MOONING soon, cant w8 to cash out the day its replacement gets delivered in 2053

>>2067585
The US hasn't declared 'war' since 1942, quibbling about legal technicalities is dumb

>>2067588
>The US hasn't declared 'war' since 1942
And for good reason, since no conflict that the US has fought since 1942 was ever in defense of the US mainland, so it makes far more sense to call them special military operations, since no US civilian lives or infrastructure are actually under threat, thus no military actions that might put US civilians or infrastructure at risk are actually carried out, thus they don't require direct Congressional authorization

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>>2068428
Still not as cool as the King 747 flight done in the last 747 to roll off the assembly line.

>>2068428
Why isn't it an israeli flag? That is very antisemitic of him.

LGA Incident where a CRJ-900 collided with a fire truck while landing.

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It's so bad.

>>2068497
I can't speak for any of the passengers but I'd be surprised if the pilots made it out of that one

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>>2068499

glad im not at lga

Atc should be publicly executed. Sick of living in a no-responsibility world.

>>2068497
>>2068501
Headcrush maximum.

>>2068499
Both pilots reported dead at scene, unsurprisingly.

why are vehicles on the runway at night

>>2068504
Musk has blood on his hands. He fired all the competent ATC people so he could pocket a few billion more.

>>2068511
Why do you people need a 'villain' to latch on to and insert into every conversation?

audio https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1s16taa/aircraft_collides_with_a_fire_truck_on_runway_4/

https://nypost.com/2026/03/23/us-news/air-canada-laguardia-plane-crash-audio-captures-moments-before-fatal-collision/

ATC is cooked, fire truck shares partial fault for target fixation

>>2068510

responding to 2x rejected takeoff and smoke in cabin from a united 737 (possible engine fire)

>>2068509

they were ejected and found on a taxiway

the stewardess was dangling from the jumpseat

>>2068497
>Front fell off.
I'd like to point out that's not very typical.

The republic of orange miggerville continues its triumphant march.

>>2068528
They're just going to blame women, gays/trannies, or melanin people. Once that's done they'll get back to bashing italians or some shit. Eventually we'll be living in the promised land where only the male evangelical christians and zionist jews are allowed to have jobs, at which point I guess they'll turn on each other

>>2068517
>fire truck shares partial fault for target fixation
This. Afaik you are supposed to look both ways before crossing a runway, even when you have clearance. I don't know if airport fire fighters are trained to do that. But considering that not following some basic safety standards can cause more trouble than that with you've started with.
You start with one, probably empty plane with smoke, and then you end with two deaths and a plane full with potential injured people, and probably you wouldn't be able to help because you've just been hit with a plane.

>>2068530
Firefighters don't have to follow things like laws, rules, regulations, or common sense. They are HEROES and the plane should stop for them.

>>2068530
from hearing someone who knows more than me 4-22 is a little sloped so its hard to see at the other end

and the fire truck is a literal piece of military equipment (oshkosh striker...curb weight of 87k lbs if its a 6x6 which might be related to the stryker it was fully loaded up too so probably like hitting a solid chunk of steel). its also a 3 seater with poor side-side visibility with the driver in the seat

i have a feeling it was heat of the moment thing too where they rush and don't think but they did have clearance 100%

feel bad for the atc desu i think the 4 critical might include the arff guys i also heard they might be okay and it was passengers.

>>2068517
Does LaGuardia normally have only one ATC working air and ground frequencies at the same time?

americans just can't stop crashing airplanes, can they?
eurochads keep winning

>>2068539
You'd be surprised how many plane crashes and incidents occur in places outside of the US. Most countries just have control over the news and the plane crashes don't come out until years later.

>>2068546
This is some weird ameriburger cope. Most countries are not North Korea, it's pretty hard to hide it when anything larger than a King Air B200 crashes unless it was a stolen plane flying drugs in the peruvian amazon

Why did they even have to cross the runway

>>2068548
to get to the other side

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Names of AC8646 crash pilots released as Captain Antoine Forest and First Officer Mackenzie Gunther

>>2068530
They should literally have a tablet in the cab, showing the airport and all planes, should not need to ask ATC for permission
This back and forth yes/no radio bullshit has caused all the recent big accidents

>>2068558
So it looks like the truck driver did see the plane coming at the last minute and tried to swerve

>>2068548
It was responding to another plane that had a ground emergency.

Captain Steve on youtube said the last time LGA had a fatality was on March 22, 1992 (also March 22). What did the universe mean by these?

>>2068558
>that last second rotation attempt
Worse than JIA5342.

>>2068563
Don't fly in or out of LGA on March 22.

>>2068528
Damn dude I didn't know Trump himself was in the control tower, man sure is busy. You retards are just as insufferable as the retards who put Biden "I did that" stickers on fucking gas pumps

>I messed up
-ATC

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>>2068531
Yes, but most likely it won't. And it will kill anyone that makes them.
>>2068536
They're though but they're not exactly military.
Considering what happened, it seems something is really wrong with airfield standards, or ARFF training.
Now, the ATC did really fucked this up, but I wouldn't blame him on having to manage 2 frequencies on his own.
>>2068556
Afaik, they have ground radio but not local/tower and approach. If they can listen one of those frequencies at least they could be more aware of planes.

>>2068539
>>2068547
AV Herald proves you wrong.

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>>2068594
lga training is more lax imo, i will say lga is dangerous purely from the high speed exits (short rwys) + amount of planes on such a small airport but i do agree they share the blame for not looking (to be fair they were with company)

lga like dca closes at 12am so there's a mad rush before closing of arrivals

that said arff was likely in the heat of the moment, he was likely still on ground radio (ground lets you cross runways on their frequency unless its super busy then they'll tell you to change frequency). the alert probably got to their head.

i personally keep flightradar24 gold on my personal cellphone and leave it open if i feel unsure of anything, its helped me when its ifr/super foggy or snowing out or when i want to see how far a plane is out before crossing a rwy. they train us not to cross unless absolutely necessary.

>>2068597
LGA had a working runway status light system in operation as can be seen by the not shitty cropped video. The red hold lights turned off as the aircraft passed the taxiway like it was supposed to. Aren't you guys trained to not cross if the red lights are on? I know you aren't supposed to cross without tower clearance even with the lights out, but I assumed you followed the status system in addition to looking both ways before crossing the street.

>>2068602
yeah that's why im chalking it up to red mist/target fixation from the alert, dude wasn't looking and crossed once he received clearance

someone i know did say that 4-22 is sloped so its more difficult to see things at a distance and those trucks have you sitting in the middle (3 seater)

>>2068595
when was the last fatal airliner crash in Europe?

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>>2068606
germanwings 9525 in 2015 where the pilot intentionally flew into a mountain

>>2068603
Former navy maintenance guy here. Very little experience crossing runways in a vehicle, but I do have had to cross the landing area on a carrier many times. So bear with me if this sounds retarded.
When crossing the LA, we're taught to ask permission from the arresting gear officer, and when receieved, to book it across so that we can check tools and give the thumbs up. No one ever wastes time with looking to make sure that a jet isn't about to land. But even if we did see a jet coming towards the carrier, we would probably assume it's coming back around for a second go.
I imagine this is much more hectic on at a real airport with multiple active runways. Even if the driver had checked, how realistic is it to recognize that an approaching plane is about to land on YOUR runway, especially in the dark on a rainy night? How would you know it wasn't waved off or headed for a different runway?

>>2068609
It was already on the ground, they must’ve been able to see it

>>2068607
so 11 years without fatal crash in EU
compared to every year occurrence in burgerland
really makes you think

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>>2068607
The most recent fatal airline crash in Europe was Swiftair Flight 5960 in November of 2024 from Germany to Lithuania involving a Boeing 737-400. The plane crashed into a two story house and only the pilot was killed. Likewise, only the pilot and co-pilot were killed in the recent crash at LaGuardia

>>2068612
That fireball, and the copilot didn't die? Is he made of asbestos?

>>2068609
There are only 2 runways at LGA and they are at a 90 degree angle, so there is only one direction to look

>>2068595
no U

>>2068628
One strip of pavement = 2 runways
There are 4 runways at LGA

>>2068637
no, 2 runways. unless you can land planes in opposite directions simultaneously

>>2068638
I mean technically you could it’s just not recommended

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>>2068558
MUTTLAND IN ONE IMAGE
MIGAism is a death cult.

>>2068556
>should not need to ask ATC for permission
Yeah lets just let ground drive around active runways with no communication, that'll be great

>>2068644
Do you need ATC's permission before you merge onto a highway? The EXACT real time position of planes is public info..

https://www.youtube.com/live/SxDklYVkioU

>we have a big fancy system designed to prevent this shit
>it only works if you equip your vehicles with transponders which of fucking course they didn’t do
>also one of the busiest hours has the least controllers in the clock because third shift is for suckers

>>2068645
>Do you need ATC's permission before you merge onto a highway? The EXACT real time position of planes is public info..
Are you actually retarded?

Looks like Eglin AFB is at it again!

>>2068651
>big fancy system

did they refer to indemex, i know lga ops has that but its annoying and kinda useless and goes off anyways if you have clearance (its meant more for situations where you're in between 2 taxiways and you could go accidentally into the runway safety area imo). we have it in most of our vehicles at jfk but it'll still blare and go off if you have clearance to cross (or you're on/close to the runway at all)

>>2068644
i kinda agree, not necessarily drive across active runways w/o clearance but a tablet that's linked to saab aerobahn or even flightradar would help a lot with this stuff. saab aerobahn shows location of planes and any ground vehicles/targets on the movement areas and its shared between ops + atc (ie if i close twy a btn twy a1 and a4 at the ops desk it gets reflected in the tower and arff)

>>2068609
i mean we have 2 parallel runways there's rarely a go-around if its on coming towards you its probably gonna land 9/10 times. it can look close when they're 5-10 statute miles and they're landing on 22R and 22L but once its 2-3 miles out you can tell pretty easily

>>2068558
Air traffic radio with animation: >>>/wsg/6115872

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
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>>2068720
Who pays for all this shit? Like is there a crash surcharge sent to airlines when an airport has to hang on to the wreckage?

>>2068721
presumably the NTSB pays the bills as part of their investigation, but I think JetBlue would charge a crash fee

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>>2068553
>Mackenzie Gunther
the first chick I cummed in

>people who blame that DC helicopter/plane crash on the route/ATC/whatever

And not the clown military aviation who LIE repeatedly about having the plane in sight