>>2067585 unlike the rest of the "war on terror", the president explicitly said he intends to go to war with the country of iran rather than any non-state group within it as was done with the taliban, al-qaeda, etc
>>2067583 lmao, defence industry stonks MOONING soon, cant w8 to cash out the day its replacement gets delivered in 2053
>>2067588 >The US hasn't declared 'war' since 1942 And for good reason, since no conflict that the US has fought since 1942 was ever in defense of the US mainland, so it makes far more sense to call them special military operations, since no US civilian lives or infrastructure are actually under threat, thus no military actions that might put US civilians or infrastructure at risk are actually carried out, thus they don't require direct Congressional authorization
>>2068517 >fire truck shares partial fault for target fixation This. Afaik you are supposed to look both ways before crossing a runway, even when you have clearance. I don't know if airport fire fighters are trained to do that. But considering that not following some basic safety standards can cause more trouble than that with you've started with. You start with one, probably empty plane with smoke, and then you end with two deaths and a plane full with potential injured people, and probably you wouldn't be able to help because you've just been hit with a plane.
>>2068530 from hearing someone who knows more than me 4-22 is a little sloped so its hard to see at the other end
and the fire truck is a literal piece of military equipment (oshkosh striker...curb weight of 87k lbs if its a 6x6 which might be related to the stryker it was fully loaded up too so probably like hitting a solid chunk of steel). its also a 3 seater with poor side-side visibility with the driver in the seat
i have a feeling it was heat of the moment thing too where they rush and don't think but they did have clearance 100%
feel bad for the atc desu i think the 4 critical might include the arff guys i also heard they might be okay and it was passengers.
>>2068539 You'd be surprised how many plane crashes and incidents occur in places outside of the US. Most countries just have control over the news and the plane crashes don't come out until years later.
>>2068546 This is some weird ameriburger cope. Most countries are not North Korea, it's pretty hard to hide it when anything larger than a King Air B200 crashes unless it was a stolen plane flying drugs in the peruvian amazon
>>2068530 They should literally have a tablet in the cab, showing the airport and all planes, should not need to ask ATC for permission This back and forth yes/no radio bullshit has caused all the recent big accidents
>>2068528 Damn dude I didn't know Trump himself was in the control tower, man sure is busy. You retards are just as insufferable as the retards who put Biden "I did that" stickers on fucking gas pumps
>>2068531 Yes, but most likely it won't. And it will kill anyone that makes them. >>2068536 They're though but they're not exactly military. Considering what happened, it seems something is really wrong with airfield standards, or ARFF training. Now, the ATC did really fucked this up, but I wouldn't blame him on having to manage 2 frequencies on his own. >>2068556 Afaik, they have ground radio but not local/tower and approach. If they can listen one of those frequencies at least they could be more aware of planes.
>>2068594 lga training is more lax imo, i will say lga is dangerous purely from the high speed exits (short rwys) + amount of planes on such a small airport but i do agree they share the blame for not looking (to be fair they were with company)
lga like dca closes at 12am so there's a mad rush before closing of arrivals
that said arff was likely in the heat of the moment, he was likely still on ground radio (ground lets you cross runways on their frequency unless its super busy then they'll tell you to change frequency). the alert probably got to their head.
i personally keep flightradar24 gold on my personal cellphone and leave it open if i feel unsure of anything, its helped me when its ifr/super foggy or snowing out or when i want to see how far a plane is out before crossing a rwy. they train us not to cross unless absolutely necessary.
>>2068597 LGA had a working runway status light system in operation as can be seen by the not shitty cropped video. The red hold lights turned off as the aircraft passed the taxiway like it was supposed to. Aren't you guys trained to not cross if the red lights are on? I know you aren't supposed to cross without tower clearance even with the lights out, but I assumed you followed the status system in addition to looking both ways before crossing the street.
>>2068602 yeah that's why im chalking it up to red mist/target fixation from the alert, dude wasn't looking and crossed once he received clearance
someone i know did say that 4-22 is sloped so its more difficult to see things at a distance and those trucks have you sitting in the middle (3 seater)
>>2068603 Former navy maintenance guy here. Very little experience crossing runways in a vehicle, but I do have had to cross the landing area on a carrier many times. So bear with me if this sounds retarded. When crossing the LA, we're taught to ask permission from the arresting gear officer, and when receieved, to book it across so that we can check tools and give the thumbs up. No one ever wastes time with looking to make sure that a jet isn't about to land. But even if we did see a jet coming towards the carrier, we would probably assume it's coming back around for a second go. I imagine this is much more hectic on at a real airport with multiple active runways. Even if the driver had checked, how realistic is it to recognize that an approaching plane is about to land on YOUR runway, especially in the dark on a rainy night? How would you know it wasn't waved off or headed for a different runway?
>>2068606 >>2068607 The most recent fatal airline crash in Europe was Swiftair Flight 5960 in November of 2024 from Germany to Lithuania involving a Boeing 737-400. The plane crashed into a two story house and only the pilot was killed. Likewise, only the pilot and co-pilot were killed in the recent crash at LaGuardia
>we have a big fancy system designed to prevent this shit >it only works if you equip your vehicles with transponders which of fucking course they didn’t do >also one of the busiest hours has the least controllers in the clock because third shift is for suckers
>>2068645 >Do you need ATC's permission before you merge onto a highway? The EXACT real time position of planes is public info.. Are you actually retarded?
did they refer to indemex, i know lga ops has that but its annoying and kinda useless and goes off anyways if you have clearance (its meant more for situations where you're in between 2 taxiways and you could go accidentally into the runway safety area imo). we have it in most of our vehicles at jfk but it'll still blare and go off if you have clearance to cross (or you're on/close to the runway at all)
>>2068644 i kinda agree, not necessarily drive across active runways w/o clearance but a tablet that's linked to saab aerobahn or even flightradar would help a lot with this stuff. saab aerobahn shows location of planes and any ground vehicles/targets on the movement areas and its shared between ops + atc (ie if i close twy a btn twy a1 and a4 at the ops desk it gets reflected in the tower and arff)
>>2068609 i mean we have 2 parallel runways there's rarely a go-around if its on coming towards you its probably gonna land 9/10 times. it can look close when they're 5-10 statute miles and they're landing on 22R and 22L but once its 2-3 miles out you can tell pretty easily
>>2073107 The thread with the fedex thumbnail has it, it's like infrared or something so not as exciting as you are imagining. Also indians reeeeeee indians (as a plane foamer it is apparently my moral duty to seethe about them 24/7 no matter the topic)
you can listen to the UPS2976 pilots last moments because of AI now the NTSB released the CVR spectrograms in the docket but didn't realise that anyone with time and AI can recreate the audio from them https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OXEbB8rw39g it's a little noisy because of image compression, but the pilots and the alarms are clear as day
>>2074109 I mean, if you have programming skills you could just code something to read the spectrogram and output the audio that way. Or you can be based and kill several fish to do it in minutes.