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whats the use case of those fat tire e bikes arent you just putting more stress on everything?
gas mopeds typlically only have 2.5/2/75 tires
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You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
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>>2067455
it is 100% this these days but the original >USE CASE was for sand, snow, and other slippery but powder-like surfaces.
But yeah the modern fatbike enjoyer is a mix of DUI riders who realize that they are spending less on gas and wannabe gangsters who are too bad at The Game to even afford a clapped out Tercel. Sometimes both -- the retarded low-level drug dealer who is smart enough to realize his car has been NOOOOOTICED by local police, but is too stupid to realize that doing his rounds on a "bicycle" with 20" wide tires 6" thicc doesn't make him look virile, it makes him look like a low level drug dealer who is too scared to drive his own car to the evening sales meeting.
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>>2067450
its a way to use tooling from cheap "baja" gas minibike ruff n toof scooters but sell more than five a year
theyre designed to be as cheap as possible (physically small, so a minimum of material/tooling) and as simple as possible (thus cheap to build but also appealing to the hicks buying them)
the target market for the original gas versions are hicks who need a toy bike to ride around the property that needs minimal maintenance, is cheap to buy, and can be thrown on the back of a tractor let alone into the bed of a truck even by a slovenly 55 year old who would die if he ran 25 feet.
you'll notice a lot of these crappy bikes have a giant fucking hole in the middle of the frame but use some off-the-shelf battery that doesn't fit in that space at all, and have a conspicuous something missing just ahead of the saddle. it's because that's where a tine 100-200 cc engine and gas tank would have gone
>>2067571
it's literally just cost-saving. small tire = less material = maybe you die but the margin for the seller was higher
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>>2068118
thats 10 more miles worth of batteries to catch fire
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>>2068118
E-bikes make no sense for commuting, anything within 30 miles is exactly the range where regular bikes make the most sense, anything beyond 30 miles is driving distance for most people and e-bikes can't even reach driving range, they're just shittier motorcycles
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>>2068198
>30mi
>almost 50 fucking km
depends how hilly it is but most normal people don't tolerate more than like 10. even if you are from youtube and are definitely doing 25kph on your bike without breaking a sweat that is still a fucking two hour commute. absolute lunacy
even on an ebike, usually theyre limited to 25-30 so even if you're lazy, don't pedal, and have magical batteries giving you infinite range, that's still a long fucking commute and you're better off with the bus (or train/subway if available)
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>>2068198
>30 miles is exactly the range where regular bikes
when you're young, fit, and live on flat land.
otherwise, this is an incredibly ignorant statement. and I'm speaking as someone who did used to do this when I was somewhat young, very fit, and lived in the foothills of the Appalachians
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>>2068227
I should've been more clear, I think 30 miles is the absolute limit for a bicycle commute, my point is that I still think anything within the range of an e-bike can just be served just as well by a regular bicycle, and that e-bikes would be more useful if they had a range beyond 30 miles
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>>2068268
ebike is faster and some ebikes do have longer range. a shitty walmart bike with a hub motor on it won't feel nice to pedal whilst dead but a properly built one with a mid drive and clutch can become just a very heavy bike and thus have infinite range, and generally even the shit models get like 70-80mi in PAS-only mode where it just helps you a little bit rather than banging the throttle like its a bad motorcycle
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>>2068282
>ebike is faster
They aren't, they can't be. If e-bikes were faster than regular bikes they would have to be classified as electric motorcycles instead, unless you're riding some Chinese special with overly generous speed governors, but thankfully the government is finally starting to crack down on those.
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>>2068328
>they would have to be classified as electric motorcycles instead
some places do this thoughbeit.
generally, the legal definitions are all stupid because boomers are retarded but as soon as you take the pedals off it, even the slowest ebike becomes a "motorcycle" and the fastest motorcycle becomes a bike again if you slap some pedals on the drivetrain and it has some kind of limiter.
this is how Emmo can sell literal motorcycles to Canadians and call them "bicycles", they literally just have pedals bolted on as an afterthought but it's on what is clearly an entry-level racing-style bike. and it does have a limiter but it's really trivial to bypass. literally just a software setting in a hidden menu you get to on the "infotainment" head unit thing. very similar to how baofeng radios "comply with regulations" unless you turn it on whilst holding another button and you get the secret "which market is this for" menu
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Why'd they make e-motos naked bikes who wants the look at a fridge motor?
Why not make them fully faired?
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>>2068676
see >>2067590 (it's mostly a recycling of baja bike frames by slotting in off-the-shelf motors and battery packs that don't quite fit) but also the types of people buying these don't like sealed items; cyclists and motorcyclists alike enjoy showing off their machinery. also motors at least need to be cooled and batteries should be removable so they can be charged without hauling in the whole bike.
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>>2068676
we live in a facsmilie of the future
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>>2068698
>motors at least need to be cooled
you can use water
>batteries should be removable so they can be charged
you can just have them lift out from inside
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Because target customers are brown and they thing this is cool and manly.
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>>2068711
1ce more, it really is just chinks being chinks. fat tire ebikes are abysmally cheaply designed and even cheaper made. it's literally just like that because they are either recycling baja/farm bike frames or otherwise trying to cheap out on material/design costs.
proper Electric Motorcycles are exactly as you describe, oil or water cooled motors, batteries that go into a moulded compartment where the gas tank goes, and generally conventional styling. if not for random bike pedals bolted to it somewhere to skirt insurance requirements, you'd never know it wasn't a gas guzzler