The announcement of Iran’s U-turn came the day after Donald Trump said the US blockade would “remain in full force” until a permanent peace deal with Tehran was reached. The US president also said that the temporary ceasefire with Iran, brokered by Pakistan and due to expire on Wednesday, may not be extended.

US and Iranian delegations are expected to hold a second round of peace talks, although the timing has yet to be confirmed. Agence France-Presse reported that the Egyptian foreign minister said on Saturday there were hopes for a deal “in the coming days”.

“We hope to do so [reach an agreement] in the coming days,” Badr Abdelatty said, adding that “not only us in the region, but the whole world is suffering from the continuation of this war”.

Before Iran’s reversal, at least eight oil and gas tankers had passed through the strait in the brief window when it was open early on Saturday, according to maritime tracking data.

About 20% of the world’s oil and liquified natural gas passes through the narrow strait, which has become a focal point of the US-Israeli war on Iran. Its closure has driven up energy prices around the world.

Frustrated tRump.
Iran opening and closing that strait more than Melania opening and closing her legs for their pre-nup.

If the US stop blockading, the Iranians will stop blockading

I don't understand why Trump doesn't nuke the entire region

>>1507106
So let me check my notes here: the thing stopping the US from achieving their goal of making Iran open the Strait of Hormuz is the US stopping Iran from opening the Strait of Hormuz.

God it's just own goal after own goal. Maybe Trump was right not calling this a war, because it's better to call this a series of unprecedented retardation.

>>1507132
It’s neo-con force of will mentality where if you believe it enough it becomes reality.
Trump wants to blocked Iran, and he wants the nuclear dust, and he wants regime change, and the Kurds to attack from the side, so what he’s doing is pretending all those things have happened and proceeding from that reality

*blockade Iran

>>1507132
>Not understanding basic geopolitics
The US is never going to accept a situation in which anyone pays for oil, tolls or otherwise, in any currency other than USD. Its just not going to fucking happen under any circumstances, ever.

When Iran surrenders properly as is their lot in life as a defeated power and goes back to bonking goats and grooming children instead of pretending they're a military power, the US will go home. Not before.

>>1507144
America will never defeat Iran outright and America is geopolitically weaker now than at the start of the war. The longer this war goes on the geopolitically weaker America will become. These are facts.

America has no allies in this war save Israel.
America cannot invade Iran without suffering massive casualties.
America cannot conquer Iran without suffering massive casualties.
America cannot hold Iran without a draft to increase their troop numbers to a reasonable number for garrisons and patrolling against insurgents.
Iran will not surrender by bombing, even by nukes.
Iran is surrounded by allies and sympathetic neutrals.
It is impossible for America to put Iran under siege due to various geopolitical factors.
America cannot win this war.

Considering all of the above,
the best course of action for America is therefore an honourable surrender

>>1507144
>When Iran surrenders properly as is their lot in life as a defeated power and goes back to bonking goats and grooming children instead of pretending they're a military power, the US will go home. Not before.
Literally why would they surrender? They have perfect leverage and any attempts at a ground invasion will not only likely result in the complete mutual destruction of the gulf states, driving oil prices sky high, but they already know this war is horrifically unpopular in the US itself and Trump can only keep it going so long.

Trump fucked up. The only way out is to just accept defeat and let them charge the toll, MAYBE while convincing them somehow to pay in USD. This whole war was an objective failure and a massive mistake made by an egotistical idiot who couldn't understand why not only every previous president did not attack Iran, but also why everyone didn't attack Iran right down to the Egyptians warning in fucking pyramid carvings not to attack Persia. We stepped on a bear trap and the only way out is to just accept how fucked up our proverbial leg is while stepping out of it.

>>1507148
They won’t accept the toll in USD, not now. They have to teach a lesson so the next president doesn’t come back to prove he’s better than Trump or whatever.
The US will accept the Iranian offer or the war will continue.
They may withdraw the offer now the US has broken the ceasefire with its blockade, during negotiations, and they may demand something further like the US no longer supplies Israel

>>1507153
Yeah they have complete and utter leverage. In Trump's own words, they have all the cards and we have no cards.

Any other president would've accepted this and tried some vain spin while dipping. But not fucking Trump, who physically cannot accept a loss unless forced to. And now with his army of yes-men for a cabinet, no one is forcing him to until congress can finally get their heads out of their/Israel's asses and realize this is an unwinnable situation.

>>1507144
get a grip

>>1507148
>Literally why would they surrender?
Trump has intimated on twitter that he's willing to genocide all of Iran to get the strait back open.
America has tools at its disposal its never used which can cause widespread destruction. Venezuela was a testing of some of their more recently developed energy weapons.
I'm not making a moral judgement here, but the reality is that America is restraining itself heavily out of concern for innocent lives. If Trump waged total war then he could go way harder.

>>1507156
Yeah and they're operating under the assumption they'll just do it anyway, so why the fuck would they agree to anything? Everyone knows if we try to scour life from the region they just bomb the gulf's desalination and power plants in-turn and collapse worldwide oil production. It is unironically the belief that American can and will kill all of them that is why they aren't agreeing to shit.

Americans are incredibly naive about diplomacy

>>1507157
>It is unironically the belief that American can and will kill all of them that is why they aren't agreeing to shit.
They're not wrong. American leadership is psychotic at the moment.

Well guess we'll have to bomb them into the stone age then. Leftists will seethe but wiping out Islamic extremists can only produce good outcomes for the entire planet.

>>1507156
>muh energy weapons
and yet, bizarrely, not a single Venezuelan eye witness. It’s so strange, almost as if the Americans are lying again and making things up again.

As for genocide, a few things will be set in motion if that path is taken. Firstly, it will require either an invasion and attempt at total conquest which will be extremely difficult for the US militarily on both counts. The subsequent occupation will require more troops than America has, which means a draft. The genocide thereafter will require the the compliance of the military itself, not only the commanding officers but the soldiers themselves.
The other option would by massive bombing of civilians, who would soon run away and disperse into the mountains and other difficult to bomb places. Even going full nuclear turn it into glass will not kill all of them, many possibly millions will survive and continue fighting.
Then there’s the matter of the US being completely isolated in the world, see what’s happening to Israel now diplomatically for an idea but it will be much worse for the US because the Israelis are doing their genocide slowly so it’s not as noticeable, the US will likely do theirs as quickly as possible once they begin in order to avoid domestic unrest

>>1507161
By what criteria are they extremists?

>>1507165
All Muslims are extremists.

The moderate seeming ones are lying, concealing their extremism and playing the role of a "peaceful majority" in order to better infiltrate and subvert the host nation ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya )

>>1507166
do you want to kill all Muslims?

>>1507167
No, Muslims want to kill all Christians, I am merely defending myself and my people. Self defense is not murder

>>1507169
Muslims do not want to kill all Christians. If Muslims were supposed to kill all Christians they would’ve killed many more Christians when they were ruling them throughout history, and there would be Muslim groups in the world today actually trying to kill all Christians but there are actually no groups like that at all.
You are misinformed

>>1507170
he's disinforming, actually. that is his "job" after all

>>1507163
The US is the largest arms dealer in the planet anon. They've been working on new ways to kill people harder than they've been trying to cure cancer.

>>1507165
Islam is like the weather in Britain. Even when it's sunni it's still shiite.

>>1507174
Those weapons manufacturers are private companies they aren’t the US government. They sell weapons to the US government and other buyers. There are also other companies in the world in different countries that also research and develop new weapons technologies. Regardless, saying the US has some super secret energy weapon they used in Venezuela, if it were true there would be eye witnesses. As far as I’m concerned it’s probably bullshit that someone who plays Fallout came up with