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>literally no digital camera not even the state of the art 2025 cameras can surpass LF kodachrome
How? isnt technology supposed to get better with time?
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Unless you need portability. Or fast follow-up shots. Or the ability to physically carry the necessary equipment to take more than a few shots. Or, in 2025, the ability to take a photo and process it. You take your large format camera and your kodachrome, and then pick any idiot kid with a 5 year old smartphone, and we'll see who can produce the nicest photo today.
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>>4487930
Outside of fast moving subjects what worthwhile pictures could a phone take that a big camera on a tripod couldn't? If we are talking about good photography almost none.
The only thing "fast" cameras are better at is taking snapshits and sports.
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>>4487936
Hey retard, the point is that kodachrome vanished fifteen fucking years ago, it doesn't fucking exist anymore. A smartphone photo, ANY smartphone photo, is better than no fucking photo at all. Don't move the fucking goalposts.
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>>4487941
>Saying large format is too big and inconvenient for me was not my point! It was only about a film we all know is impossible to get or develop!
Hey retard, no shit.
You can still get fresh e6 for large format and it will still mog a cellphone when making any worthwhile photograph.
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>>4487942
And if the thread was about large format film in general, I wouldn't have said shit. Because it is absolutely true that large format film cameras are capable of producing work that smartphones aren't. That's not in fucking dispute. What is in dispute is that in Current Year, kodachrome is better than anything, because kodachrome is now just a song by Paul Simon. That doesnt mean that there aren't advantages to smaller formats, or smaller formats wouldn't exist, and if you think there are no advantages to smaller formats you are even dumber than you seem as someone defending kodachrome in 2025. I hope your final exam in your intro to film photography class goes well this week, kid.
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Fucking zoomers. Kodachrome was pretty shit by the end of its life. Ektachrome and fujichrome far surpassed it in every metric INCLUDING film stability. Id reluctantly use Kodachrome in a pinch if I couldn't find Fujichrome anywhere. Fucking Kodachrome 64 was grainier than Provia 400.
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Wise up tardo, they're all valid formats with different strengths/weaknesses. Most of these are aesthetic differences anyway. This Sanguinetti photo could be taken with any format, but presenting it with higher resolution gives it style like painted realism.
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>>4487920
the old kodachrome was basically iso 10, so most of these large format shots have like kilowatts of lights blasting the subjects.
anyway i do agree, nothing looks quite like it, even the 60s/70s 35mm koadchrome photos just have something special about them - no "preset" will ever capture that, and definitely no fuji recipe lol...
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>>4493602
>https://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=mrg&st=gallery
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>>4487920
>How? isnt technology supposed to get better with time?
I want to call you retarded, but the basic truth is accurate. large format film can't really be beaten by digital. That would be like 200mp equivalent with insane pixel pitch and depth. a large format hasselblad image probably comes close, but idk what the fuck you would need to do with color grading.
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>>4487924
> Kodachrome LF has been surpassed in term of portability and reaction speed
the point of large format is to sacrifice convenience for the sake of picture quality... so yeah I guess at the time it was released it was already surpassed by smaller formats?
> Kodachrome LF has been surpassed because it is not produced anymore
are you retarded?
> Kodachrome LF has been surpassed because look, I click the button and I have a dogshit picture on my iphone, can you do that with kodachrome LF???????
ok so you are in fact retarded
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>>4487920
Selective dye coupling layers.
The cross-section of Kodachrome film consists of layers which are, from top-to-bottom: blue sensitive (of which the non-sensitized portions will be dyed yellow), yellow filter, blue-green sensitive (dyed magenta), blue-red sensitive (dyed cyan), acetate base, rem-jet anti-halation backing.
The blue-green and blue-red sensitive layers are primarily sensitive to green and red light, respectively, but are sensitive to blue light as well. The yellow filter layer is added to prevent blue light from penetrating to these layers during exposure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-14_process
Kodachrome films are non-substantive. Unlike substantive transparency and negative color films, Kodachrome film does not incorporate dye couplers into the emulsion layers. The dye couplers are added during processing. This means that Kodachrome emulsion layers are thinner and less light is scattered upon exposure, meaning that the film could record an image with more sharpness than substantive films. Transparencies made with non-substantive films have an easily visible relief image on the emulsion side of the film. Kodachrome 64 and 200 can record a dynamic range of about 2.3D or 8 f-stops, as shown in the characteristic curves. Kodachrome 25 transparencies have a dynamic range of around 12 f-stops, or 3.6–3.8D.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodachrome
The reason these LF shots look good in Kodachrome was because they would have looked good on any film, they were staged shots by the DOD for propaganda purposes. Doesn't detract from how good they look, every one of those pictures from WW2 was staged, there's a whole article about it somewhere
The other thing with large format is simple physics, higher resolution. More real estate, more image quality.
I actually got to shoot Kodachrome in 2010 and loved it. Marvelous stuff. I have negscans from it somewhere I will find them and post here.
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>>4500253
one thing to note though, the modern (haha) K-14 process and adjacent kodachrome film stocks look (at least to me) like completely different stuff compared to what palmer, herzog, haas, leiter, frissell, or other color film "legends" shot. the pre-70s kodachrome just has something special about it. it doesnt even have to be shot in large format or with tons of stage lights.
one thing to note though, i have never seen a physical kodachrome slide in my life. i am basing my whole obsession on photo books and digital scans, so i might just be manipulated by some... photo manipulations.
anyway, i am very fascinated with how clean the (white) skin tones are, while the reds turn into this deep, dense, almost orange tone. and dont even start me on the kodachrome blues.
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>>4487920
> no digital camera not even the state of the art 2025 cameras can surpass LF kodachrome
let me fix that for you
> no digital camera not even the state of the art 2025 cameras can surpass LF
And it's only during the last 5 years that you could come close to MF with a prosummer grade digital camera. And the color still suck hard.
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>>4487920
If I shoot kodak gold on my om1 vs my Nikon d800 it’s a huge difference.
I don’t think the digital photo has ever once looked nicer.
Film has nicer colours at the start and even nicer with a few tweaks. It renders light and contrast differently as well.
As with everything, the shortcut wins so digital replaced film while not looking as nice. If you truely care about getting nice images over all else even in 2026 you shout film not digital.
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