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>>4499291
i love AI so much, its so much better than the real thing
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>>4499306
>Now there's barely a difference for 99% of the time.
The moment you crop it or view it on anything larger than a smartphone screen it's night and day. You can't beat physics, no matter how much AI cope you use.
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I really want Nikon to make a 35mm f2 SE lens. Same size as the 28 and 40 se lenses. Or make a 35mm 1.8s mkii that's shorter. I can live with it being f2 instead of 1.8 if they can make it smaller.
I don't like 40mm, but I love 35mm and 50mm.
I like the 28 too, but I would prefer a really good, but compact 35mm with autofocus that's at least f2.
Is it unrealistic to have a lens like that in that size that also has nice image quality?
The 1.2 is comically large and expensive.
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>>4499336
>No you can't have a dream lens while also using the stuff you already have, or talk about gear in the gear thread
You don't get anywhere in life with stagnating mindsets like that anon. I'm simply thinking out loud about what I hope Nikon will release in a compact and affordable 35mm lens.
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>>4499338
Nikons entire business model right now is 30% selling pixel peeping excellence to snoy gmaster prosumers that cant afford snoy gmasters, 70% pretending to be a cinematography brand
The zf is another df, an ill considered poorly designed one off that will never fit into their overall philosophy
The zr is not a sign of a consumer/hobby photography trend. It is a copy of the sony fx series video body. There is no shutter and viewfinder having version to come.
Japan HATES you if you think hobby photographers deserve good small full frame kit like they had before DSLRs. To them, it is insulting. It’s like a rice farmer saying he deserves all three swords meant for a samurai. It is like a catholic buying a shinto shrine and turning it into a lunch cafe. They genuinely despise what you want. They will only do the bare minimum to take your money and leave you disappointed so you either get into pro gear and justify the absurd expense and bulk by being a pro (or look as stupid as they think you are!) or downgrade to the disposable crop sensor shitter they think you deserve.
The fact that the a7c line exists at all is a miracle… and they hobble it with arbitrarily worse points than the aps-c cameras because again, if you think hobbyists and casuals deserve to use full frame on the daily, they hate you as much as they hate the idea of a farmer peasant using a famous katana to chop wheat.
Their culture is based entirely on disdain and hatred creating submission and apologetics socially and pure hedonism sexually. The japanese… are not good people.
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>>4499288
> It's 2022
> Have a Canon 5Dmk4 at 2x the exposures it's rated for
> tell myself: use it until it breaks before upgrading
> fast forward 2026, fucking 4 years later
> 5x the exposures it's rated for
> still not broken
when will this thing fucking break I want to upgrade
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I saw a video where some guy boughted a 5d something or the other that had been used for taking photos of people at some amusement park ride and it had a bazillion exposures and worked perfectly fine. A lot of it has to do with how it is used as well. A lot of those "my (brand name) camera broke after just x amount of shots" type posts are probably quite often from clumsy people who do stupid things with their gear but won't admit it.
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>>4499349
Please tell me you're the only one glazing the 5Dmk2 constantly here, right? There cannot be multiple autists with this autistic hyperfixation.
There simply is no reason to shoot a 5Dmk2 in 2026. The last-gen of DSLRs is so laughably cheap on the used market. Why would you use a worse camera willingly.
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>>4499372
even the best phones today struggle to even really resolve 5-7mp, mine does boatloads of ai upscaling on close up or macro shots, anything further than a few meters doesnt get ai upscaling or not at all and looks like shit even b4 reaching 80% peep, also not a fan of the oil painting or melting plastic look, i feel like the nokia N8 or that there old kodak 3.2mp put out far more pleasing images than modern phones
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>>4499299
>hauling around a big-ahh, overpriced unc mirrorless with a 35mm prime like it’s 2012
>tryina get a close-up of the moon
>gotta go home, fire up the dusty unc desktop
>open that “free trial” that’s been charging you $19.99 a month
>just to crop the pic into a crispy 0.3MP potato
>all that just for the moon to look like a blurry skittle in the sky
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>>4499386
>You can't use an easily identified and understood statistic to make broad assumptions about something just because it's easy.
Hold on anon, you'll be subject to bitchfits for the rest of the thread if you make a statement like that. Next you'll tell me that my 24/7 webcam DSLR set to 4k30 with 13 on the shutter count is actually NOT worth 90% of its new value.
>5d2s are the best price per performance period
And yet every second anon itt will complain that it's too old and big. Big sad.
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>>4499388
>complain that it's too old and big. Big sad
I don't understand this. No builder who carries a drill all day buys a drill based on weight. The difference between a really lightweight mirrorless camera and a really heavy DSLR is still under 1kg. What are you people eating? A healthy adult male should not even be able to discern the difference in weight between these two things. I stg you niggas are buying carbon fibre cutlery cus silverwear is too heavy.
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>>4499306
I think they used to pretty much be on par with each other in the 2010s but I think the gap in quality has increased again because of mirrorless and full frame being more common. My Pixel 2XL and a DSLR of the same time was pretty much the same image but phones have now started relying more on AI and other fuckery that oversharpens images (so they look like oil paintings now) and DSLR is gradually being replaced with mirrorless full frame and aps-c.
But put either one on a phone and it doesn't matter. Loading it up on a laptop or anything with a screen bigger than 8" and you'll see a lot of diffeneces. Also every phone camera seems to be HDR by default now, whereas it was optional before.
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Zf + Leica adapter, X-pro, or pony up the extra $$$ for a real m240?
Let's be real, I could tell you a bunch of shit about all the different styles of photography I do, but I want something for travel, day in the life stuff of friends/family, portraits, etc. To the extent that I'll ever do any pro work it's gonna be portraits, maybe weddings.
No sports, no super fast action, no backs of heads, street photography is tired in the smartphone era
I like the manual controls, don't mind manual focus, but the added versatility on the Zf seems like it could be a plus, if I ever actually need autofocus, zoom lenses, etc.
I know I should just buy a d780 and some af-s lenses and never look at a photo forum again, but I just can't vibe with the form factor.
Should probably just learn to shoot film, but idk
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>S O U L in 2026
Canon chads we are so back!!
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>>4499299
Of all the sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these, "cANON was right again".
>tfw you realize the Moon landing was made up to cover up some shady shit (Vietnam, Kennedy assassination) they did in the 60s just like they were now keeping everyone distracted with much Epstein files so that they'd care less about getting into another war
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>>4499346
>Their culture is based entirely on disdain and hatred creating submission and apologetics socially and pure hedonism sexually. The japanese… are not good people.
As opposed to it being centered around niggers? You burn cities down for criminal niggers who die in altercations with the police. People say Martin Luther and you don't think of the father of the Protestant Reformation, you think of the nigger. You have made up holidays for niggers. A month a year, your entire curriculum at school is devoted to niggers. You listen to nigger "music". You see a classic European folk tale and when you make it into a movie, you change it to be about niggers.
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>>4499416
I wanted to reply in prev post but I failed to finish the 4 captcha challenges. We are in a bad situations where camera manufactors don't hire actual good designers/engineers and instead keep their shit ass ugly products to build upon. Leica are the only ones that kinda manage to have some beautiful products, though too expensive for me as a poorfag. The Zf is fat and ugly if you take of the retro glasses. Especially with those huge ass Nikon lenses. Even the 40mmf2 looks like horse. Might be good with the adapter but then why not just buy the m240. Or safe a bit for the m10.
Fuji is doing many things right (especially some years ago). I'm always on the fence of buying x-pro but when I look through 1000s of samples on flickr, the aspc photos always feel a bit flat and not as detailed. People tend to throw on their fancy film sims to hide that issue. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. But I'm sure I would always miss that extra bit of full frame IQ when editing in LR. On the other hand no one of my friends/family would see any difference. I'm shooting the Q2 now which is kinda perfect but obviously fixed lens. I'm missing that sweet 50mm focal length and not sure how to solve that issue. There is no other camera speaking to me. A fuji x-pro4 with a new full frame sensor, same body size as before and 2-3 small prime lenses would be a dream..
>>4499418
Yeah there are some people that enjoy their hobby, the tactile feel of a camera and of course also how it is designed and the experience. Let me guess, you are still wearing the same clothes your mother bought to you in middle school?
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>>4499470
Come on bruh, what is this abomination.
Last cool Pentax was the Q. Despite the tiny sensor the image quality wasn't much worse than todays fuji apsc
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>>4499478
>Yeah there are some people that enjoy their hobby, the tactile feel of a camera and of course also how it is designed and the experience
>>4499416
>No sports, no super fast action, no backs of heads, street photography is tired in the smartphone era
you are the primary audience for pentax, 2x when you realize vintage lenses from the 70s-90s are dirt cheap and "pentax gearfaggotry" means most of your lenses will be <$100 so its more passive addiction to ebay lurking.
you can get a k-70/kf for $400 if you lurk hard enough, i sold my kf for $400 to fund a $900 k1ii purchase then bought a k-70 with a broken lcd from buyee for $100 + $40 screen a few months later. the real problem is the pricing. i wouldn't pay new pentax pricing lmao.
join the cult.
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>>4499416
Zf is the best practical option
X-Pro's are good knock around / beater cameras
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>>4499386
>5d2s are the best price per performance period
Not true. The 5Dmk3 and 5Dmk4 is practically free on the used market, even the R5mk1 are beginning to hit the used market. There is no reason to not use these cameras with much better sensors and AF.
By your logic you could also shoot with a 550D. Why would anyone do that? The sensors are dogshit.
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>>4499492
5D2 = $150
5D4 = $1000
Obviously you don't shoot professionally, or have a job, otherwise you'd know that running a business is about keeping costs down. Mark 2 has enough specs that someone like you will hit a skill ceiling before you reach limits of what it will do. Pretty simple.
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>small flashes for small cameras
i used the godox im30 for a while i found it for $30 and it worked great. but then it stopped working. i don't see anyone complaining about these dying for no reason, so i don't know what happened. unit does not power on with fresh batteries. i dunno.
what are the other similar flashes that can be had for around $30? i could buy another one of these or i could look at something else
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>>4499350
a7c and variants are unique in the niche they fill:
compact rangefinder-shaped with EVF and grip
Full frame yet smaller than comparable offerings like the GX8, which is m4/3.
Smaller than the Z30 which is APS-C and has no EVF.
Smaller than the S9 which is full frame but no EVF or mechanical shutter or grip.
Unfortunately the a7c has Sony's firmware which is programmed by people who apparently have never used a camera outside of automatic modes, and don't bother to test the features they implement.
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>>4499496
>its the exposure preview guy
You’re literally the only complainer
No one expects evf previews to be accurate in low light. They aren’t on nikon either. Every photographer ever is used to expecting an overly bright, long/high iso exposure without compensation in the dark. No one uses mf assist with bright monitoring either (neither even exist on nikon and many photographers consider them normally annoying and useless niche features that do not get left on)
The real issue is sony r&d staff is actually photographers, not engineers, so rather than autistically going through everything they test the cameras as experienced photographers would and create something that confuses and angers newbies who have yet to settle in to the correct way to do things, turning on bright monitoring only for certain situations and only using mf assist in the studio or for repeated still lifes and landscapes. On nikon everyone hated mf assist so badly they included zoom in and zoom out buttons.
You know you got a skill issue when your sony issues are also nikon issues
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>Godox iT32 TTL Mini Flash with X5L Trigger Kit for Leica
when THE FUCK does this ship to my hjouse
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>>4499511
>gel accessories
no don't do it
>looks nice
its the concept from the Lightpix Q20II but as a Godox flash. i think it will be very good
>>4499513
i was thinking this also. they say it doesn't bump off easily though, because of how the socket requires you to pull the thing straight out. but i dunno. in any case i am usually putting the flash in my pocket when i am not shooting
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>>4499465
NGL, I'm not even gonna deny the "impress zoomettes and take portraits of my friends" thing. What's so wrong with that?
Fully agree about the unhinged new captchas, seriously killing my rate of wanting to comment. Your opinion is also kinda where I'm at with the Zf, the Z lenses just look ridiculous - and unless I explicitly want to do weddings or vlogging, idk if I entirely need it. I guess I'd be able to rent a big bazooka 400mm for the occasions that I want to take sports photos.
Definitely considering the Fujis, especially with the current trend towards lower-fi photos, "the retro look" etc, it's not the highest priority to have the absolute latest and greatest tech. I could just get an x-pro 2 and a 35/1.4 and ignore the rest.
Really, I should just suck it up and shoot film, but dev costs are crazy, home dev is annoying, and you end up doinking around on the computer anyway.
>>4499491
That's a large collection. Also agree with where you're at, Zf is max practicality at the cost of some "romance" or whatever, x-pro is probably more than I need to do travel photos and casual portrait shoots, and Leica is what the heart wants.
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>>4499505
>No one expects evf previews to be accurate in low light.
The entire selling point of moving from optical viewfinders to mirrorless with EVF was the ability to get accurate preview images "what you see is what you get".
>sony r&d staff is actually photographers
iphone photographers.
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>>4499528
>The entire selling point of moving from optical viewfinders to mirrorless with EVF was the ability to get accurate preview images "what you see is what you get".
To a certain extent. Depth of field, focus, and framing will be perfect, exposure will be reasonably accurate in most cases. However it does have limitation because it has to update the display many tens of times per second.
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>>4499534
>Depth of field [preview]
Is a feature in my 1992 SLR
>focus
Basically never misses in said SLR
>framing will be perfect
98.5% viewfinder coverage vs 100% is hardly a big upgrade
The selling points of mirrorless is weight, size, and video bullshit. The EVF is just a necessary evil because without the mirror box you have to have some way to show the photog what he's looking at. You could literally turn mirrorless into a rangefinder and there'd be minimal difference.
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>>4499528
A mirrorless cant provide THE preview without a super noisy image or a lot of lag, usually both, below a certain brightness. It happens on all brands. And photographers never noticed because DSLRs basically shot the same in that scenario, and ultra dark shooting is both uncommon and slower paced.
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>>4499374
>hauling around a big-ahh, overpriced unc mirrorless with a 35mm prime like it’s 2012
>tryina get a close-up of the moon
Who would ever do this? If you want a picture of the moon you use a telephoto.
It's the fucking moon, you can photograph it from anywhere, it's not going to run away.
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>>4499494
>5D2 = $150 5D4 = $1000 Obviously you don't shoot professionally
if you shoot professionally with a 5Dmk2 you are scamming your customers.
If it's your job at least have the decency to get an R5mk2. This is embarrassing for you.
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>>4499563
>t. le professional hobbyist
Nope. Most customers are as dumb as you and can't tell the difference. You also need to sell your gear and buy something more appropriate for your skill level. Otherwise you'll never reach pro-level talent. Sorry, just hard facts. Pretty simple.
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>>4499564
notice how you don't have any arguments and need to pretend to know my skill level? Cameras that are TWO generations behind ARE the entry level for hobbyist.
Camera bodys that are older than that (like a 5Dmk3 or older) are not even appropriate for entry level amateurs - they're for e-waste. Or for vacations with a high likelihood of accidentally smashing them against a rock wall.
For professional work you should at least be on mirrorless fullframes by now.
My bet is you're a smelly indian or other 3rd world country where 150 bucks is actually a lot for you. For middle class europeans or americans, $5k for a camera body + lens is a normal enthusiast hobby budget. I know lots of people that spend way more on their home theatre or equestrian or other such hobby.
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>>4499565
>pretend to know my skill level
I do know your skill level because you can't articulate what spec or feature the newer camera has that you require for your shooting that merits an upgrade. I say require, but really we both know it's GAS as you'll never be a professional, like me.
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>>4499535
>Is a feature in my 1992 SLR
And isn't all that accurate, especially shallower than around f/2.8 on any DSLR with AF
>Basically never misses in said SLR
As above, if you're trying to manually focus with a lens faster than f/2.8 with the stock focussing screen you're going to have to switch to live view. Also it relies on the focussing screen being accurately calibrated.
>98.5% viewfinder coverage vs 100% is hardly a big upgrade
There are many bodies that are 95%, basically any with a pentamirror instead of a prism. However you're missing the point. I never actually claimed these are massive improvements, simply saying what is and isn't accurate with an EVF.
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>>4499545
It's not that much more expensive, but yeah, basically same camera internally with just a very different body design, which you are paying for that brass. I dislike the "entry level FF" body designs of a Z5 compared to Z6/7/8.
Zf launched for $2k in 23, and Z5II launched for $1.7k in 2025.
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>>4499528
>The entire selling point of moving from optical viewfinders to mirrorless with EVF was the ability to get accurate preview images
For beginners yes, but EVFs offer a lot more than just that. If you aren't a beginner, exposure preview isn't really relevant.
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look at my latest win /p/ i finally get to use my m42 adapter next is a helios and a takumar 50mm f1.4 (to be fair i already have a fa 50mm 1.4)
i cant tell if thats haze or just a dirty lens it looks like its on the top of the element
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>>4499637
>be pentax-chad
>dont give a shit if it starts raining
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Pentax K200D
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>>4499667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo61t5fH6Qw
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>>4499670
My OG K-3 got absolutely drenched shooting an event in the rain, out all day from 9:00 to 16:00, I used a basic WR zoom lens, not even AW. It was 10 years ago, the camera still works fine. Is a decade long enough for you?
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>>4499657
>just become a human light meter and calculate all combinations of shutter, aperture, ISO and ND filter, bro.
>what? no, you can't use that photographic computer in your hand to predict what exposure will look like because that makes you a beginner. Also no camera is able to do that, it's not just Sony.
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>>4499726
To be fair the meter still works, there's just a limit to the exposure preview that only shows up in a few edge cases. In those cases it's no worse than a DSLR, but will still display a brighter image than an optical finder.
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>>4499726
>I think exposure preview is the same thing as a meter
But also yes, once you shoot enough, you have a good idea of what settings you should be using in a given situation. If you can't ballpark within a stop or two, you need to pay more attention to what you're doing.
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>>4499668
Nope. Nikon is Number One. They've been the choice for explorers, adventurers and the army throughout the film Era. And they only got better when it came time to switch to Digital. There the most Reliable camera. Full Stop. End of Story. Pros shot Nikon. Nothing Else.
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>>4499705
Definitely the Xiaomi 17 Ultra. You'll actually use it as you'll have it on you at all times. Better yet get the Leica edition. Better better yet get the photography kit with the grip and shutter button.
>please send gift card to anon_from_p@proton.me :)
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>>4499607
reporting here that it's fine. I guess I just wish it was brighter but it's tiny. so I guess that's how it goes or whatever or something. the im30 was brighter and better and this thing doesn't have a manual dial. it has stupid little clicky buttons and it's tiny and it's not bright. I kind of think the im30 is better. it's too bad that mine broke
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>>4499781
I forgot the picture I was going to attach. it's not my picture that I took. it's not my camera or my fat hands but it's the same flash. this is what it looks like. sort of you can see it in this picture
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>>4499774
Sorry but you sound like a shill. If you were honest, you'd know that tons of reviewers all say that the Leica edition is more cumbersome than the real one, with no real added benefits bar the M9 mode. The rotating thing is apparently VERY easy to move which automatically opens the camera app. You can imagine how annoying that is
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>>4499637
I saw some video of a guy using a Canon during some sport event in the rain and the screen sperged out after getting some water on it. Everything else seemed to work but that screen was completely ruined. I also saw another where water on the hot shoe also caused the camera to completely spergout (though he did remove the shoe cover and exposed it to rain so that was his own dumbass move).
How a camera holds up against water is just a complete game of chance. There's also the mold issue, that shit may not appear for a long time.
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>>4499792
Mold only appears if it remains wet for a long time. When I shot in the rain I took care to wipe off my camera afterwards and only open/take off the lens when it was dry. Furthermore when I zoomed in I also wiped off the water from the barrel before zooming it back in. Just a quick wipe but it goes a long way seeing everything held up since then, and it wasn't the last time I had it out in the rain.
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China number one!!!1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeHU2cyhnog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxkJ8z_3gDA
I kinda NEED this thing ngl, looks smooth
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>>4499821
You don't need a video camera if you already have a DSLR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSxIbZFsn-g
plust things like this exist >>4499823
plus external microphones exist, even if you can't connect it directly you can make it work
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>>4499416
you're still flip flopping over this? just buy them all and sell the ones you don't like. you'll never know for sure until you shoot a given system for a few months. xpro and leica m are pretty limiting if you're not doing street/documentary, btw. also, you should pick up film. it's easy to learn if you already know photography. the major consideration is the convenience and cost of processing.
side question: what cameras do you shoot currently?
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>>4499416
Bought a Zf two months ago and couldn't be happier. It got me looking at vintage lenses too. I'm eying some of those old Nikon AiS lenses that can be had for almost no money.
I wouldn't go x-pro or aps-c in general. I was not fond of how the image looked, so I went back to full frame. The new mirrorless bodies are so small and not that much more expensive it throws the whole price/size advantage aps-c cameras had out the window.
It's all individual taste etc. and some people take great photos regardless, but I would strongly advise not going crop sensor. The Zf was great right from the first shot.
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>>4499781
I use the it30pro on my Zf and think it's absolutely brilliant. I plan on using it as a flash trigger when I get an off camera flash+umbrella setup for portraits and stuff soon. It's such a great little flash. My favourite camera accessory by far. The only negative thing I can say about it is the wheel feels very flimsy, but I only use the touch screen so no worries. The other buttons and diffuser slide thing feel solid enough to not worry about being tossed into a bag if you're in a hurry.
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>>4499835
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> nikon d750
Just noticed a very low buzz when camera is on, like gpu coil whine but in camera. I hear it clearly in silent room with my right ear, from the battery upper side, is this normal, is this related to hardware or battery?
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I desire a 40~45mm justasgood poorfag cope lens to emulate a q3 43
thinking 'bout the z 40 f/2 or the rf 45 f/1.2
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>>4499963
43mm Limited, can be had as low as $270-300 if you go for the older SMC and buy it from Japan
join the cult.
https://www.pentaxuser.com/article/battle-of-the-43mm-lenses---leica-v s-pentax-2304
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>>4499973
im brown and because you have to be delusional to shoot pentax in the 2020s
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im thinking about this one. should i get it? any anon here got it and maybe has opinions on it?
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I have a Leica Q-P and I love it so much that I thought upgrading to the Q2 might be the best move ever. Now I have the Q2 which looks worse from outside, is heavier, needs expensive uhs-ii SD cards, files are gigantic and a pain to edit. I never crop my photos, I never shoot in the rain. Should I just sell the Q2 again and be happy with the Q-P? The only thing I'm worried is that at some point there are some failures or so because this camera is soon a decade old.
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>>4499994
Looks nice on the product photo but these box-like backpacks look absolute trash in real life plus that flap on top won't protect your gear much if you are caught out in a rain.
I used Lowepro Flipside 400AW but it fell apart and the new ones design is shit so what I did is I walked into the nearest photo store and bought a backpack I like. It is a Manfrotto Backloader, opens up like the Flipside and looks like an ordinary backpack.
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>>4500040
What do you think how gore-tex is made? Companies just dropped the brand name that's all. PFAS acts like soap and dissolved in water, that is how the water resistant coating is applied then precipitate on the fabric and turns inert, non soluble. the rest is thrown out into the sewer and into nature. Paper cups are made the same way BTW also frying pans.
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copped this and put 3 rolls through it without testing it yes im retarded
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>>4500043
what now? i mean i watched the tests on youtube and the guy splashed the top with water. i assume 2 layers of that canvas should be enough for light rain, and if not then there's always the rain cover. i may be wrong tho
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Is there any efficient way to use Nikon's wifi connectivity for live view through a smart device? The process of
>Turn on Wifi connection on camera
>Enter app on smart device
>Choose Remote Photography
>Select SSID of camera from menu
>Allow a few seconds for it to connect
>Start shooting
is way too involved when you have to repeat every step of the process if you navigate away from the app or if the camera goes to sleep.
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>>4500019
lmao they put a dinky little flash instead of EVF
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I was helping my dad clean up the house and he gave me all his old camera gear. Can anyone help me figure out what ive got here?
The nikon does not have a model name i can see.
The canon says canonet ql17 on the top and G-III ql on the front.
Brown box is a kodak reflex.
Not pictured is also an old camcorder. Custom electra automatic DeJur amsco corp ?
Everything needs to be cleaned throughly. They were covered in dust or in a hard case with disintegrating foam.
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>>4500100
>The nikon does not have a model name i can see.
That's a late model Nikon FM. It says FM and then the serial number on the back just below the advance lever, its on the right side. That would probably be the best thing in the lot if it works. I've got one, they're pretty nice. I use it often. The QL17 is good too.
The lenses are pretty average, you can check them for fungus by shining a torch up through the bottom of them (so the side with the words is facing you) and study the glass closely to see if there is anything that looks like little spider webs, spots or specs, or tree roots on the glass.
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>>4500085
It's pretty shit on any camera I've tried, regardless of brand. It's a nightmare trying to use it at home when my phone wants to connect to my home wifi or when it bitches about how the wifi I'm connecting to has no internet when it does connect with the camera.
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>>4500104
Wow, thank you anon! Im impressed you were able to identify so much from my crappy photo.
It doesnt appear like anything is inside the lenses from what i can tell but its tough since they still have dust and foam caked on. Im a bit worried about how to clean them without causing any damage.
The big lens is for far away shots obviously but i am unsure about the use case for the smaller ones. Im guessing one has to be a kind of general purpose but the which one is a mystery. Same with all the filters, besides being a filter i dont know much about them at all.
The top down kodak is super cool. I didnt know cameras like that even existed.
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>>4500108
>Im a bit worried about how to clean them without causing any damage.
How I clean cameras is I use baby wipes, you could also use a microfibre cloth and spray lens cleaner on it. Just dont use so much that its dripping, you dont want excess water or liquid of any kind to drip into the camera or inside your lenses. Make sure to wring them out before you start cleaning. You can use whatever damp-ish cloth you choose to use to floss and get in between the dials and other hard to reach areas. The FM is a pretty hardy camera, you should be fine.
Also, when you open the film door (watch a video on the FM or read a manual to find out how to do this as theres a little locker you have to pull on at the same time as you pull upward on the rewind crank) do not touch the shutter blades. Its the thing that looks like a little garage door right in the middle of the camera, you can only see it when the film door is open. This goes for any camera, do not touch the shutter blades or curtain, they're extremely fragile. If they're really dirty (though they probably wont be because the film door shields them from dusty typically) use a hand blower. Its a little thing u can get from amazon, it looks like a douche, you squeeze it and a bit of air comes out. Dont blow on it yourself as you will spit on it.
As for cleaning the lenses, follow the same steps I outlined earlier for the outside of the lens, and for the glass just follow Simon D'entremaunts lens cleaning guide on youtube. He explains how to precisely and easily clean them so they'll be ready to use.
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>>4500109
>but i am unsure about the use case for the smaller ones
The one that's currently on the FM is a zoom lens that goes from kinda wide to kinda telephoto, its a general purpose lens known as a mid range zoom. Going from left to right on the desk, the 50mm f/1.8 is a good, cheap standard prime lens, which means it doesnt zoom in or out. It has a bright aperture which is good for low light and shallow depth of field. The vivitar one is not a lens on its own, its a teleconverter, so you mount that on the camera, then your telephoto lens onto that, and it gives you more telephoto reach at the cost of light gathering ability. I cant really see what the next one is, but it looks like a wider angle prime lens with a f2.8 maximum aperture, so similar to the 50mm but wider and cant gather as much light. Then the telephoto zoom, useful for wildlife, or sports, wherever you cannot get close to your subject. Has a narrow maximum aperture so cannot gather as much light as the other lenses. This will make a lot more sense if you look up the exposure triangle or watch some videos about it.
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>There are new rumors about a third small Nikon full-frame mirrorless camera without a viewfinder, designed for photography, that is expected to be announced in 2026.
>No EVF
>Full-frame camera
>Similar to the ZR but designed for photography (not video)
>Small, slim body (22-25mm thickness)
ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME SOMEONE MADE AN ACTUALLY SMALL FF MIRRORLESS CAMERA
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>>4500121
>A7C
>actually small
Pick one
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More should be made of the usability of the phone as opposed to mirrorless. If you don't have your camera with big lens on it you don't get the photo. You always have your phone so use that. I have a $2000 camera set up that I haven't used forever since I got an old phone and just shoot video clips instead of photos. I love it, of course it could be better resolution and less jumpy but I'm getting so much stuff daily
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>>4499372
Boring answer: both are true.
>smartphone photos look like ass on a monitor/prints
If you look at smartphone photos on a nice monitor (think 32" or so), the difference is very visible to a trained eye. If it's dark-ish, the difference is obvious on anything larger than a phone. Even with all the computational photography, night shots on smartphone look like ass.
>smartphone photos look like ass on a monitor/prints
But it also doesn't matter, because unless you're doing commercial photography, most people now look at photos on their phone. Nobody is going to pixel peep there.
That said, I have some family photos from last year that definitely wouldn't look as good from a smartphone, just because I shot them with a large-ass zoom lens and those focal lengths are not available on most phones. If you start zooming in that far with digital zoom, photos turn to ass very quickly.
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> have d750
> shooting at night primarily
> i'm cheaper that a hooker, like vintage lenses and shit
Is there a reason to go mirrorless for low light performance? Can I use my vintage dirt with new cameras? Heard that battery is a big problem out there. Is there something better than d750 with a great price?
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Just got this Leica D Lux 8. Really nice and small with a surprisingly good EVF for a camera of this size. It's really nice having a variable lens after using nothing but primes fora decade.
Image quality blows my old E-M5ii out of the water (my previous M43 camera).
My only issues are the power on time and zooming time.
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I have an AF-P FX 70-300mm ED VR that's been having issues. I had it serviced twice while it was under warranty. I planned to replace it with a new z-mount telephoto lens, but there's so few attractive and affordable options. I sent the lens in to see what the estimate would be:
>$292
Is this normal? Do they just add an amount for each box you check? It only focuses at 300mm and sometimes wouldn't be recognized if you turned the camera on when it wasn't extended to 300mm, so I had checked 3 boxes that covered those issues. There's no local shop that handles repairs (they just send it to Nikon), and I don't think I should throw $300 at a clearly faulty lens. I don't even know if I want to spend the $20 to have them ship it back.
I'd like to spend less than $1200 and have a minimum of 300mm in the range. I have an FTZ adapter, but would prefer Z-mount.
>Tamron 70-300mm ($500)
Has no VR. Might be okay on my Z5ii with IBIS, but not on my Z50 without
>Tamron 150-500mm ($1200)
VC, and nice range, but 2x+ the weight of my old lens. Might feel like too much on the Z5ii
>Nikon F-mount 200-500mm ($1200)
VR, but it's fucking huge.
And that's all I see in this price range without going used and risking buying someone's faulty lens like mine. Any comments or suggestions?
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>>4500120
>Similar to the ZR but designed for photography (not video)
The ZR already has a photo switch and several custom buttons. Sensor is fast enough so no banding in most situations. It's already a great photo camera if you are not into using flash. Imo the best hybrid you can get if you are looking for a compact design.
I guess for a pure photo centric camera they may add a a 40+mp sensor, different button layout and mechanical shutter. But that may add weight and a bit of size.
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>>4500169
You really think they're going to be able to make a body just 6-8mm thicker than the flange distance? The sensor and PCB would probably be close to 5mm alone, then a millimetre or two for the body, probably some material for heatsinking seeing as the sensor will be constantly powered, and then the thickness required for the display. Even with a fixed display it just ain't gonna happen.
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>>4500230
Probably isn't since the original source is some Nikon ultra fan blog where his source is based on emails he receives.
https://nikonrumors.com/2026/02/06/rumors-about-a-third-small-nikon-fu ll-frame-mirrorless-camera-without- a-viewfinder-designed-for-photograp hy-expected-in-2026.aspx/
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>>4500207
>Tamron is a big dust pump
Specific to that lens or just by nature of external zooming? My neck was sore after a few days at the beach with the old set up, the 200-500 may alter my spine permanently at 3x the weight. The lens itself would need the strap rather than the camera.
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>>4500233
These large extending barrel lenses suck in a lot of air, if there is no weather sealing or it is not very good a lot of dust is going to end up between the lens elements in the extending part. Same for the Sigma 150-500/600. The ones with good sealing (the first party ones) are a lot less affected.
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>>4500241
NTA but is it pretty safe to have your camera bouncing off your body all day? I want to get one so I don't reach into my pack constantly though the day but I also don't know if all the bouncing from movement will fuck up the IBIS or some shit.
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>>4500243
When I'm doing my walks with the big bazooka, looking for birds and whatnot I carry it by the strap. I use the medium since it is still comfortable and I can use it for the light lens setups as well for touristing. The IBIS is off, it only comes on when you focus it on something, the floating sensor just sits idle.
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>>4500245
Ah, so maybe I just use a prime if I do that then? The zoom I have is a decent weight and I don't want to put too much pressure on the connection.
>The IBIS is off, it only comes on when you focus it on something, the floating sensor just sits idle
Yeah I don't know much about this stuff, I only recently got an IBIS camera and I was afraid that bouncing it around when off would break it.
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>>4500219
>what's the point? just use a smartphone if you don't need EVF
Because you might want the benefits of a FF sensor? Why are you only allowed to use them if they have an EVF? The only people using EVFs are uncs anyway.
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I posted this in the other gear thread:
https://www.amazon.com/PGYTECH-Backpack-Arca-Swiss-Compatible-SnapLock /dp/B0F23GCRRW/
https://www.amazon.com/SMALLRIG-Release-Fujifilm-Backpack-Arca-Swiss/d p/B0F4QSRTPX/
Has anyone tried either? I want something for traveling. I don't want to carry a camera bag either because they either end up too big or too small when I'm just carrying a compact APSC DSLR + a short telelens. Would rather carry a backpack and have this on my shoulder for when I want to take a shot
>>4500243
Try this strap. I had it on my K1 w/Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 in Europe which was nearly 4lbs of camera. It worked well. But I will admit that trip made me realize for 90% of my snapshits a K70 (APSC) would've sufficed and I'm better off either using a good fast zoom or a 35mm/50mm prime + cheap tele.
https://www.amazon.com/Padwa-Lifestyle-Camera-Strap-Photographers/dp/B 0D2HF8P9S?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1
I use these on my cheaper DSLRs (<$100 KM 5D or K10D) but definitely be careful with them, check the attachments.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806327264009.html
Also look above and try out one of the solutions. I think that + a lanyard to keep it from fully dropping/falling off would be a good solution.
>>4500250
I always wince when I accidentally hit it even if its against my elbow. Its not the IBIS that scares me as much as the AF mechanism.
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>>4500248
It's not big enough that it has an anchor point, it's just a regular zoom. Funnily enough it's the same lens as >>4500257, a 28-75mm f/2.8 (roughly 500g from what the spec sheet says).
>>4500257
>Try this strap. I had it on my K1 w/Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 in Europe which was nearly 4lbs of camera. I
I might go with a Peak Design again if I can, I have a few anchors from the wrist strap version (which has been great but still requires me to put it back in the pack at some point) and I've seen they have a few crossbody versions. Those little backpack attachments don't seem like they can support a full frame with a 500g zoom on it.
>>4500265
Sounds like a pretty good deal imo, the 4000D usually goes for a little bit more than that. I'd still test it first to make sure it's all good, like dead pixels or AF not working right.
>>4500268
Kek, nobody even asks and Sony still comes up. Rent free meme lives on.
>inb4 snoy
I have a Nikon, settle down.
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>>4500284
It took some getting used to for me after having shot dslr without EVF for 15 years.
But it's nice being able to see in a little darker environments and not just wing it. Still, would love to have a little switch to go between optical and electronic when I want to.
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>>4500280
He was asking about IBIS systems and Sony does have fragile ones. How is that rent free? Ive had 1 sony mirrorless, an old SLT and Minolta DSLR with IBIS issues. Must have started with Minolta and inherited it from there.
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Could someone please suggest some cheapish primes for APS-C in the 28~35 and ~105 area? I have a thread here >>4498027
From what I can understand you cannot adapt a lens and have it support autofocus. Someone told me to get a Canon 50mm f1.8, which is fine, however the first prime I've tried a Takumar 50 1.4 is amazing and I'd like to try more pentax ones. I primarily do my photos when traveling however and I don't want to spend half my trip wrestling with trying to nail focus. This runs into the conundrum of aiming for photo quality or aiming for ease of use; I'm also unsure if an EF mount autofocus prime will be just as good as the Takumar, and my belief that Takumar is amazing is just confirmation bias due to lack of experience
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>>4500309
>just crop bro it's just as good as real glass
>just a little more cropping bro and I swear bro it'll be a good photo bro
>just get a 300MP phone bro that way you can crop more bro
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>>4500309
Phones bros we stay winning.
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>>4500257
> Has anyone tried either?
Yes, I bought the pgytech v2. I wouldn't recommend it, it seemed to be built very cheaply and I had to disassemble it to fix some seizing issue that meant it would sometimes not lock the camera into place.
Once I sorted that, it was okay.
As for the general concept, I found it incredibly useful while hiking, but I think it made me look like a bit of div.
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>>4500284
EVF is the better professional tool, but it's a computer screen. Nothing weird about not enjoying looking at a computer screen when you're out shooting.
I progressed to the point where I use MF lenses most of the time, partly because they feel much better in hand than plastic consumer crap.
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>>4500284
>Nikon zfc
EVF's come in as much variety as cameras do
Zfc is lower in size, resolution, and refresh rate than many other EVF's. There are more non-spec differences too, like the type of glass used, and the quality of the live view itself, sometimes even changing based on the camera settings.
EVF's offer more functionality, but the OVF experience is still better in some ways.
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>>4500327
Phonefags absolutely BTFO by Full frame EDC chads!
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Does anyone have experience with the 50-400mm Tamron on the Z-mount? I'm intrigued by its 50mm magnification for semi-macro and its sharpness on the longer end compared to the Nikon 100-400, despite being half the price. I'm trying hard to not trick myself into spending $1500+ for a lens when I'm not making any money off photography.
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>>4500327
the aidslop in my phone turns signs into digital letters, how will camfags even recover ?
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>>4500301
Sony/Minolta DSLR issues have more to do with build quality, they just randomly die from errors. The Minoltas are old enough the CCDs die, the meters underexpose, the shutters break or first black frame (again, bad shutter) or they just don't start. The 7Ds are worse about it than the 5Ds since they were handmade and used different shutters.
I still love my 5Ds though. Just the shutter sound alone.
>>4500280
K1 + 28-75mm is a huge camera and literally 90% larger than most FF cameras people will carry. If you're trying to put a FF Nikon like a D850 or D810 its gonna be the same size. That strap held it fine and that's with me running around Italy and Spain. The problem is your strap isn't long enough to put it around your shoulder like the right pic where I have a black polo on. Once you do that its like carrying a purse/messenger bag and takes the strain off your neck. Put it under your hoodie and you can have the hoodie protect it from splashes/bumps too.
That's why I specifically linked those two straps, most camera straps aren't long enough.
Neck is only good for FF + primes or APSC with small zooms.
>>4500302
Takumar 50mm f1.4 and 55mm f1.8
My favorite manual prime lately is this one, I was lucky enough to get it in K Mount, I love how it renders photos.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/S-M-C-Super-Auto-Takumar-35mm -F3.5.html
>>4500337
Ehh it can't make you look worse than carrying a DSLR normally. I like it because I won't have to use a actual camera bag (small backpack instead). Thanks for the input. The smallrig one is rated for 40kg (lmao)...maybe I'll try it and return it.
I think with that and a safety catch or lanyard on the backpack in case it fails I will be okay
The Peak Design Camera Capture Clip is like $80 which isn't too much of a jump from the $50 the smallrig costs...
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1372683-REG/peak_design_cp_bk_3 _capture_camera_clip_black.html
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>>4500371
Thank you for the help, I bought a 50 1.4 recently and love it, pic related. Is there a point in getting a 55 1.8 having just brought the former?
>35 3.5
This one looks good but I'm a bit confused about the gorillion variants. Do I need to obsess over getting a particular one or are the differences microscopic? Does the mount make a difference in functionality if I'm going to be converting it to EF anyway?
There happen to be two available locally. Could you please give me your opinion on which is better?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/electronics-photography/camera -accessories/lenses/pentax/listing/ 5817666181
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/electronics-photography/camera -accessories/lenses/pentax/listing/ 5816311407
The former is super and the latter is SMC. I'm leaning towards the latter.
I was also looking at a Konica Hexanon 40 1.8, but from what I can understand the flange (?) is too long to be adapted to my camera.
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>>4500372
>having bought the former
not really up to you, different lenses render differently + sample variation
$120 nzd is too damn much wait for a deal or look for one. the mounts only matter because its one less adapter you'll need to buy (m42 = screw/threaded). the differences are microscopic imo but the smc coated ones have better contrasting/flare resistance iirc at the same time these old lenses all really suck in that aspect so buy on price and condition
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Need to pick between a6700 vs x-s20 for mostly video and some light photography. Apparently a6700 overheats less and has better autofocus, but costs a little more in here, is x-s20 overheating really as bad as they say?
or go with something else entirely? Need a budget aps-c for mostly video
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>>4500411
>is x-s20 overheating really as bad as they say?
I tried one out and never had overheating, but I wasn't doing very long clips and only 1080p.
Fuji has a fan accessory which securely bolts into the body.
I would definitely pick the X-S20 over a6700 for video because it has way more recording format options.
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>>4499288
Lads, something marvelous happened, my Brothers birthday is coming up and he has for the first time shown interest in photography so I want to buy him a camera.
Fujifilm Instax Cameras to be precise, particularly the Mini Evo and the Wide Evo are the two cameras he's been interested in. I've shown him several other but he likes the two for their retro looks.
Which one should I buy for him?
He said that he likes the Wide for making wide photos, but likes the portability of the Mini because he can just pocket it.
He hates social media and self-glorification so he won't use it for selfies or for snapshitting on insta or whatever the youth uses these days, but he wants to keep memories with the bros.
The Mini is 182.99€, the Wide is 305.99€, film costs the same.
I don't worry about the price, my question is which one is better for my brother who's a novice photographer who's only begrudgingly handled my AE-1 and A7S II when needed?
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>>4499496
>sony firmware
I never thought I could hate a camera's software as much as I do before using Sony.
Imaging Edge? More like... Fuck you.
Somehow I have to re-pair bluetooth from scratch like every time I reboot the camera to use a-remote.
You want to see the level? Well, you can't see anything else. Not even the current focus mode.
None of the reviews I watched warned me about any of this.
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>>4500498
>Imaging Edge
I thought that got discontinued desu. The recommended app now is called Creators, it's still from Sony but for newer cameras (post 2016 or something I think), it works about as well as the Nikon app I had a long time ago.
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>>4499346
>The fact that the a7c line exists at all is a miracle
What did anon mean by this.
They aren't even small.
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>>4500483
>The mini. I think if its annoying to carry he's less likely to use it and more likely to fall out of love with it.
Ttue
>Spend the rest on film for it for him.
I've already planned 100€ of film (rougly 100 shots), 120€ of films on top might be too wild at first.
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>>4500509
Cameras have already steadily gone up every year since covid. Smartphones have eaten up the entire entry level market so all the manufacturers can do is increase prices and pretend everything is "premium" even though they keep on recycling old tech.
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I've done some photography with an X100 series and know the basics. I really just want to scale back but not just use my iPhone. Is a Ricoh GR the easiest way to just have a good camera on me all the time without conspicuously looking like a photographer? Is the HDF version a meme or is it more interesting than just the standard with ND filter?
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>>4500498
>You want to see the level? Well, you can't see anything else. Not even the current focus mode.
Yeah, these arbitrary restrictions and constant incompatibilities make Sony a no-go for me.
>None of the reviews I watched warned me about any of this.
Unfortunately people have really low standards for user interfaces and usually accept whatever slop is fed to them. Windows 11.is a good example of this.
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>>4500578
There are supposedly some third party FOSS apps that work with all the pre-Creative app cameras but I've yet to try any of them yet. In all honesty, every app that is meant to work with cameras has been really shit in my experience, no matter which brand. You're probably better off with a remote or a wired remote, I gave up on the Canon Connect app since it would either work perfectly or require me to fuck around with setting it up all over again when it didn't.
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I think I have a hoarding problem. I keep finding these super cheap 2010s aps-c cameras from Nikon and Canon bundled with gear that alone covers the cost of the whole lot. In buying these types of lots and selling on the extra gear (lenses, flashes etc) I have now amassed about 20 cameras at no cost and I don't know what to do with them. Please help.
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>>4500720
The fringing / chromatic aberrations are not something worthy of a "really good" prime lens. It's worse than the 50mm lenses, and its errors are magnified still by the smaller sensor. And the build isn't particularly great either.
I'm not saying that it's awful, it's about what you could expect from that product segment from that era.
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>>4500361
With a Samsung S25, for example:
>Primary: 200MP 1/1.3″ sensor, 24mm equivalent f/1.7-aperture lens, multi-directional PDAF, OIS
>Ultra-wide: 50MP sensor, 120˚ f/1.9-aperture lens, dual pixel PDAF, Super Steady video
>Tele 1: 10MP 1/3.52″ sensor, 67mm equivalent f/2.4-aperture lens, PDAF, OIS
>Tele 2: 50MP 1/2.52″ sensor, 111mm equivalent f/3.4-aperture lens, (periscope design), PDAF, OIS
You have 4 prime lenses in your pocket.
You can seamlessly capture everything from ultra-wide to telephoto
Meanwhile cameruncs are switching lenses and missing photos, or using a zoom lens with compromised aperture / optics.
Normies still think that cameras take better pictures, but that's only because pros know how to control exposure.
This can be done with a phone + good camera app.
Yes there are some edge cases like a candlelight dinner where full frame sensor will produce better images, but the vast majority of photos aren't taken in conditions like that.
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Any thoughts on the GFX100RF? I'm having fun with my Leica Q2. I love the image quality and 28mm. What bothers me is editing in LR, they don't even have a Q2 color profile there. So I'm stuck with Adobe color profile or so and edit from there. It still kinda works and colors aren't too bad at all but I miss my old fuji days where I could classic chrome for example as a base and work on that. More consistent and nicer results overall.
Makes me really think wether I should sell and buy the RF. Missing IBIS shouldn't be that much of an issue as you apparently can shoot high iso without problems. I may miss bokeh here and there but even on the Q I usually go to f4 or f5.6. RF is quite ugly though, not sure what they were thinking but that shouldn't be the deciding factor I guess.
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>>4500774
A full frame sensor will produce better images in literally every scenario but shooting test charts at iso 12800 f22 with AI noise reduction - then they’re just the same
>muh super wide range of focal lengths!
That has always resulted in worse photography and always been a thing for low end cameras for tasteless normies. Congratulations to the tech industry for recreation the zoom lens small sensor PNS lmfao. Only now it’s mixed with AI and receives OTA censorship and surveillance updates from based palantir even if you think your phone is turned off (no such thing) and the law protects you (lol)
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>>4499288
are there any compact cameras that are actually good i have a sony a6300 but its just a bit big as a daily usage device would like soemthin gi can throw in my pocekt and not worry about it getting damaged. camera on my phone sucks ass (15 megapixel chink slop) but i like my phone. max spend would be like 2-300 GBP can be old. something like pic i guess although these all seen very over priced because theyyre popular on social medias or something
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replying to myself >>4500822 i saw the lumix gm1 mentioned above that seems like a small camera, when i had a gx11 i paired it with a 7artisans pancake lens which worked quite well maybe pairing these 2 would be decent? also seen the DMC-TZ60 and DMC-ZS60
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>>4500917
Was gonna say this as well. Another option would be the LX100 II, but it may be slightly above budget, but is otherwise about as good as it gets even for new compact cameras seeing how Leica just reissued the same camera with only slight improvements such as a better EVF, screen and a slightly different button layout and then charge 3 times as much.
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>>4500905
Sony ZV1 is $4-500 used but no viewfinder. Its equivalent to the RX100VII. The lens is faster but it limits you to 70mm focal length.
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>>4500926
Your problems
>i cant afford it because i am lazy and dumb
>i cant edit photos efficiently because i am lazy and dumb
>older people trigger me because of most of them are more successful than me
the fruits of your “philosophy”
>shitty looking AI enhanced phone smears and auto HDR, eventually (you never post photos and probably cant afford the extra data anyways desu)
>hours spent being miserable on /p/
>being one medical bill away from ending up homeless
Get a job and you wont be so mad at cameras for existing and generally costing more than 2x as much as your bank account
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>>4497261
>https://www.amazon.com/Definition-Telephoto-Teleconverter-Magnificati on-Photography/dp/B0866Z74ZJ/141-13 95782-5998500
>>4497664
>I've got 58 thread on what I use, so that might work. hmmm.
I bought this one. It definitely adds a bit of abberation, but it's not as bad as I was hoping for.
I'll probably have to combine it with other stuff.
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Anybody else find vintage 100mm glass, even third party to be very sharp? I am in the position where I am able to test a bunch of old crap and it strikes me that with that particular focal length I rarely find anything to complain about. With 85mm and 135mm it is more often a mixed bag.
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>>4500924
Really? I always see the Zv1 advertised as a vlogging camera, so I've had doubts about how good they are for photos. The prices are really good which always tempted me though, especially used.
>>4500926
>You have to buy an expensive and overpriced dedicated camera kit
Nobody ever says that, most people will say the opposite actually.
>edit photos because thats how i used to do it back in the day
Also not really, a lot of people go for straight out of camera jpegs. Film emulation profiles are massively popular for this reason.
Maybe you just hate photography bro.
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>>4500941
>I've had doubts about how good they are for photos
there's nothing stopping the zv1 from being good for photos. the lens is faster (24-70 f1.8-2.8 vs 24-200mm f2.8-4.5 on the rx100vii) + it doesn't have a evf or flash. otherwise its the same camera underneath. theyre at least half the price of the rx100vii because its all vlogging normies who bought it and realized they got the same video quality from their iphone/galaxy but lost out on the workflow. i bought mine for $400 and sold it to $480 to mpb (wanted a ff dslr)
i actually really liked the sooc jpegs on mine. its perfect if you dont need a flash or evf and want a pocket travel camera, the only thing comparable imo is a nikon z30 + 16-50mm kit lens when it goes for sale as refurb.
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>>4500941
>I always see the Zv1 advertised as a vlogging camera
Mostly a product segmentation marketingy thing. It trades an EVF, flash and longer focal lengths for a faster lens, flip screen, and mic, that's all really. It's otherwise probably the same hardware as something like the RX100 and takes stills just as well.
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>>4500878
>all phone cameras look like shit once you start zooming and its just cropping (digital zoom) while the cameras have optical/mechanical zoom
Unc, you're running on outdated information.
Modern high-end phones have a periscope zoom lens which is a prime.
The phone is switching between different prime lenses and sensors as you zoom.
Here is the best rated phone camera system to date.
https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-pura-80-ultra-camera-test/
>Primary: 50MP 1″ sensor, 1.6µm pixels, 22.5mm equivalent f/1.6-4 aperture lens, dual pixel PDAF, OIS
>Ultra-wide: 40MP 1/2.8″ sensor, 0.7µm pixels, 13mm equivalent f/2.2-aperture lens
>Tele: 50MP 1/1.28″ sensor, PDA, OIS (used by both periscope style tele lenses)
>Tele lens 1: 83mm equivalent f/2.4-aperture lens, 50MP image output
>Tele lens 2: 212mm equivalent f/3.6-aperture lens, 12.5MP image output
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>>4501060
>skin smoothening on the Samsung is a good thing
>dummy doing the test also doesn't know what an ND filter is and is trying to use F16 to compensate for the light
This isn't even a Snoy thing, this is "a retard that doesn't what how to use a camera" thing.
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