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>>533307100
He was an (((Andropov))) puppet and his mission was the controlled demolition of the USSR so Rothschild cronies could pick its corpse
He performed adequately

>Trumpachov

>>533307217
Drumpfstein is equally bad but he doesn’t have the pseudo-intellectual smug aura.

>>533307100
The country was fucked mate by the time he took over. He was tangled in Afghanistan by Brezhnew having to support thousands of troops abroad, the economy was shit due to low output and crap quality, the country was importing food to the tune of billions, mainly from the USA and Canada, despite having more farmland than any country in the world.
Every regime, no matter how draconic, goes back to a comfortable medium in terms of cruelty in the space of 3 generations. To tighten control was impossible because the entire country was already tight and to release some of the pressure would destroy any control. And this is what happened with the USSR. The shit ideology and political, social and economic system it came with ran its course and collapsed.

>>533307165
Andropov was president for 1 year or so. Brezhnew surrounded himself with old timers and at the time of his death Gorbachev was the youngest member of the political bureau of the soviet union. They literally had no better candidate, anybody else would've been dead in a couple years from natural causes.

>>533307506
>The country was fucked mate
That’s the thing, it wasn’t. USSR was having serious issues, true, but absolutely none of those were catastrophic.
Gorbachev made them catastrophic by not doing a single smart thing, fucking up the economy, fucking up state apparatus and party apparatus, and conceding to West on virtually everything and then conceding even more once he fucked up and needed West to even think of surviving.
Gorbachev killed Soviet Union. Andropov wanted controlled reform, not absolute chaos he introduced.

>>533307506
Read Collapse by Vladislav Zubok. The USSR was in a lot of trouble but if it had continued on the path set out by Andropov of slowly reforming the economy while maintaining the central party apparatus it likely could have become something like modern day China. Gorbachev was a tremendous idealist who rushed through one failed policy after another thinking he was revolutionuzing the USSR while he was actually just destroying it.

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>>533307100
>horrifically fucks up his job
He just gave people freedom of speech. Everything that happened later was caused by a fact that whole soviet system was based on lies and destined to collapse anyway. It's good that it happened in relatively open environment instead of some murky, uncontrollable powerstruggle.

Only people who feel sorry for what happened are commie subhumans.

>>533307729
>USSR was having serious issues, true, but absolutely none of those were catastrophic.
You are looking at it wrong. USSR itself was a catastrophy. It wasn't just sick with cancer - it was a cancer that was feeding on half of the world. It could keep it going for some more time, but it's good that it didn't.

>>533308382
That’s your perspective, I disagree.

>>533307100
The most sober Russian ever

Just another russian shill attempting to rewrite history.

>>533307729
>15 year waiting list for cars
>country wasn't fucked

>>533308211
Shut the fuck up, Pole. You guys were literally niggers living off of Soviet gibs. Gorbachev refusing to pay your $25B debt and letting you go was one of his only correct decisions.

>>533308211
>>533309083
China was also beyond fucked but was run by competent people after Mao and was able to become the superpower it is today. If a Gorbachev level retard had taken over in 1978 instead of Deng then you guys would also be saying China was always doomed to fail.

>>533309276
USSR was literally niggers living off Polish and Czech and Baltic and other non-russian gibs. Russia was and still is a parasite that feeds off any territories it controls and loots.

>>533309332
>You guys were literally niggers living off of Soviet gibs.
It was other way around retard: USSR was leeching on Poland and that was by design (to keep Poland poor and harmless). When communism collapsed Poland's economy much improved.
>China was able to become the superpower it is today
By embracing capitalism in it's economy. China nowadays is totalitarian, but's it's no longer communist. Gorbie tried something opposite: non-totalitarian communism, which is oxymoron.

Anyone who dismantles totalitarism is by definition a good guy, even if he's naive.

>>533307506
You're not wrong in the long term but they could have lasted longer than 1990 and Gorbachev + Jews did a lot from the inside to speed up the process.

>>533309525
Why are you leeching in Switzerland as a foreigner instead of going back to the prosperous Butthurt Belt you're talking about?

>>533307100
Why do you care? You're fucking American

>>533309726
>USSR was leeching on Poland and that was by design (to keep Poland poor and harmless

Literally niggers living in fantasy blaming whitey for keeping them down. Spend 5 minutes looking trade between USSR and Poland. They subsidized the shit out of your joke country.

>Gorbie tried something opposite: non-totalitarian communism, which is oxymoron.
Yes, Gorbachev was a fucking retard. Andropov had been working on economic reform while keeping the political structure intact but he fucking died and the mega retard took over.

>Anyone who dismantles totalitarism is by definition a good guy, even if he's naive
If China had tried to dismantle totalitarianism instead of shooting a few college kids at Tiannenmen they would have democracy but 1.5 billion Chinese would be worse off in every conceivable way. The freedom to speak against your government and vote in elections is unnecessary if all else is well.

>>533309899
Why are you leeching in Poland as a russian draft dodger instead of being on the frontlines getting droned?

>>533308048
This desu, people seem to think he was good/bad or jewish influenced so on, in reality he was an idealist and idealists are the biggest retards on this planet.

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>>533307729
You're not giving this man and his mission enough credit to destroy the worst system ever created for humans to live in

Imagine if he had just slowly began to reintroduce private property like in China. Instead he refused to do that for some reason and then Yeltsin just handed over the entire economy to criminals.

>>533310251
I don't think he should get much credit when communism is doomed to always collapse. The real issue with the USSR surviving comes down to how it reimplemented private property, and Gorbachev just decided not to, until the system just collapsed.

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He got a pretty fuckin kickass song too

https://youtu.be/gNl7u_ckbHU?si=pSiOjAbJ1cBmZgXf

>>533307165
>Putin
Why the fuck would you go outside with that haircut?

>>533310008
>Spend 5 minutes looking trade between USSR and Poland.
It was soviet communism, retard. By definition they didn't keep proper economic data. On top of communist, un-efficient central planning, there were also murky system of Russian domination over it's colonies. It means transports of stuff from entire eastern block, vanishing without a trace in black hole called "Moscow".

Why many countries of Eastern Europe improve after USSR collapsed? Because nobody was leeching on them anymore.

Why was Russia so poor in 1990s? Because it couldn't leech anymore. That's it.
>If China had tried to dismantle totalitarianism instead of shooting a few college kids at Tiannenmen they would have democracy but 1.5 billion Chinese would be worse off in every conceivable way.
It would be 1.5 billion strong South Korea plain and simple.

>>533310109
It's extremely obvious what country you're from
>Early Period: Poland was a net contributor, providing cheap raw materials and labor for Soviet recovery.
>Late Period: The USSR was the net contributor, providing cheap energy and emergency financial aid to maintain stability in a key ally.

>>533310266
China was 15% industrialized in 1976. The average Chinese was living like an African. USSR in the 80s was a fully developed economy. Much easier to reform a country that is still early on the path of development. That said, we'll never know if it was possible because Gorbachev went about it in the most retarded way possible.

>>533310432
Poland was poorer than the USSR per capita in the 30s, it's extremely easy to search this up.
The leaf is right about you acting like a gibs me dat nigger, every year Poles cry for German war reps too kek

>>533310432
>Why many countries of Eastern Europe improve after USSR collapsed?
Because they dropped retarded social planning and opened up to foreign investment.

>Why was Russia so poor in 1990s?
It went through the same shock as the rest of the ex-soviet states and took longer to recover for a number of reasons not the least of which being that it had the largest, most complicated, and deeply entrenched system to overhaul.

>It would be 1.5 billion strong South Korea plain and simple.
Doubtful. India, maybe.

>>533310522
>Poland was poorer than the USSR per capita in the 30s, it's extremely easy to search this up.
Based on data published in 1950s that was given by USSR itself. I remember this stuff. It's fake as fuck.

>>533310634
Keep coping about it Josef, either post evidence or don't at all.
The niggers of Europe title goes to the people begging for gibs from everyone, not the ones that don't.

>>533310008
>They subsidized the shit out of your joke country.
And now the EUSSR is doing the same.

>>533310752
nooooooo you don't understand - they actually picked themselves up by their bootstraps (by graciously becoming a german market and buying mutt weaponry on credit)

>>533310592
>Because they dropped retarded social planning and opened up to foreign investment.
Why didn't it help Russia? Oh yes:
>It went through the same shock as the rest of the ex-soviet states
It was shock of being cut from leeching plain and simple.

Ex-soviet states that were leeched on (e.g. Baltic states) recovered much easier instead.
>Doubtful. India, maybe.
No. We have direct comparison of relatively similar people in here. China would like huge Taiwan or South Korea without that pseudo-commie shit. China is crippled by it's totalitarism.

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russia is a nigger tier country that would have died out 150 years ago if it weren't for the usa

>>533310747
>People in 30s USSR had cheaper lemons than people in 30s Poland
If you trully believe this, you should consider suicide.

>>533307100
Russia is much better run now but lacks the throw weight of the soviet union due to many of the republics becoming independent. Russia will have to engage in a campaign of integration to bring all tge -stans in closer. I suppose Belarus will be formally absorbed by russia after Lukashenko dies.

>>533311081
Nice cope and retardation

>>533310433
>swedish flag defending russia
It's extremely obvious what country you're from.

>>533307729
>That’s the thing, it wasn’t
You weren't even around for it, you little shit.

>>533311630
I came to this thread hoping for a nice thread about /his/ just to see newfag Eastern Europoors like you spamming and wailing yet again on my tax money, if it makes you leeching thirdies mad I will defend them from now on.

>>533307100
Deep rooted agent of ZOG designed to implode the USSR

>>533311901
You came here to seethe because you know Europeans know the truth about how things were in the soviet union, while you have been brainwashed since childhood to believe soviet union good, russia good. So, why are you not moving back there?

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>>533310974
and they still blame usa for everything and call you great satan for prolonging their miserable existance

>>533312048
USSR & Russia is a shithole everyone knows this, but so it your turdworld country of Poland.
That however does not mean you cannot have a discussion about them.
Although it's impossible with rentfree thirdies like you spamming every thread searching for these threads like you're on a payroll.

>>533309525
Nigger that was the other way around.
The USSR was selling oil and gas to its (((greatest))) "allies" below market prices by double-digit percentages. At some point, the difference between the crude oil price in socialist Czechoslovakia and the world was even 50%.
So yeah, the USSR got financially indebted to all of its allies – unless you'd recalculate all trades in USD global market prices, in which case the "Butthurt Belt" absolutely robbed the USSR.
In a way, I understand Trump when he rants about NATO and the EU leeching off of the USA and enjoying welfare on America's expense, since that is the same relationship as with the Butthurt Belt

>>533312173
Poles are eternal slave race. You praise whomever gives you gibs.

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>>533312302
you on the other hand praise whoever fucks you in the ass and you dare to call people slaves just for being paid good
mindless russian beast

>>533312302
You obviously have no idea about Polish culture and society. It's not about gibs, it's how you use of what you got.

>>533308211
> triggered by Stalin, the greatest commie-killer of all time
Poleanon, are you okay?

>>533312300
>>533312546
You can't bullshit anons on /pol/ when your national track record is google-able.

My grandfather was a border guard and brought home the wisdom
>if you catch a Pole, you must beat him
>you must also beat his hat, IT IS ALSO COUNTERFEIT

Relatively recently, the Czechs aired a TV commercial for a mobile phone carrier which depicted a Pole
>appears out of nowhere
>offers the innocent Czech family man a phone
>"quality cellphone! amerykan!"
>phone breaks like 5s later
>Pole is nowhere to be found
and the Poles got so butthurt the Polish government formally requested a fucking apology.

"Oy vey shut it down" in Polish flavor.

We unfortunately have a free-trade agreement with you called "EU membership", and for years our salt companies were closing down one after another until only one remained, and only then did the consumer inspection notice that the household salt the Poles were undercutting us with is heavily cut with road salt.

I could go all day listing the cases when Poles behaved as a low-class knockoff version of a Jew

Also -> >>533312300

>>533309083
>>15 year waiting list for rent-controlled cars
Fix't. If you had the money to pay market prices then there wasn't a waiting list.

[The real problem that only spiritual niggers and various browns had money to buy cars at market prices while educated Russian engineers had rationed meat.]

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>>533312859
its an anecdote and a tv commercial you russian retard

>>533310266
USSR had private property. They legalized private enterprise in 1986. Private enterprise was abolished in 1960 in the USSR, so the period of "planned economy" was only 26 years in total.

>>533312300
No matter how much you russians lie, it won't change reality. USSR was literally looting all of their occupied territories. That's why the all instantly got so much better and richer when they could finally keep their own resources instead of being looted by moscow. Even today, the oil rich oblasts of russia are being looted by moscow and if they became independent would become so much richer.

>>533311081
>I suppose Belarus will be formally absorbed by russia after Lukashenko dies
The other way around, the rump "Union State" of Russia+Belarus will eventually be expanded.

>>533310974
Ironic since it was the Russian Empire that supported Americans against British/Western intervention. Crucially so during your civil war (big mistake).

>>533313047
Technically abolished, but the nuance is that you couldn't "do your own thing" without supervision.

You could still do the same work as someone enterprising in America, with the distinction that you had to answer to a state accountant.

Basically every wannabe entrepreneur in the socialist East had a case worker.

>>533312921
Actually, yeah, can corroborate.
My father paid in cash for his first car – paid for his own food beginning at 15 and went to work before going to college later in life (and could fund a trip to Hotel Russia in Moscow for the New Years at like 23), while his brother went the full "child until 25" student route, so my grandfather gave dad a lump-sum cash donation to buy a car since he had cost the family so much less than his brother.
He ordered a brand-new Lada 1600, back then a completely fresh model, in maximum trim with leather door panels and fur seats, and it arrived via train from Russia in 1 month. That's better than ordering a factory BMW these days.

>>533307165
>controlled demolition of the USSR
Retard

>>533310423
Because you need long hair on top to do a comb over.

>>533308382
Quintessential Polish post. Just because your local version of communism was retarded that does not negate the many patriotic achievements that were made in Russia

>>533312821
Stalin wasn't just killing communists, you know.

>>533311816
You are Norvegian

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>>533313497
>your local version of communism was retarded

>>533313065
>if I repeat the lie, it will become truth
No one got any better after the collapse of the Eastern bloc. Factories closed down, steel mills, powerplants, illiteracy started ramping up, Bratislava developed a pervitin issue that took 20 years to contain (and I'm pretty sure you could find similar drug zombie stories everywhere), women took up prostitution en mass and college-educated men went to be taxi drivers and brick layers in the west. Poland LARPs as a white country these days, jewishly pretending the last 30 years of German and later EU gibs didn't happen. Nay, it's worse than jewish — a Jew would reinterpret reality to his benefit, not deny it ever happened

>>533313137
The Polack reveals his true self.
Just look at how little prodding is needed for him to lash out against America, who is officially supposed to be Poland's best ally and friend these days.

The Polack is self-serving and prone to lying. He is wholly incapable of engaging in white society productively, as a net contributor to advancement, and what we hate about the Jews might actually stem from Polish influence – Netanyahu the Circumcised Hitler is of Polish heritage, as is virtually every Hollywood actor who bad-mouths America

>>533313520
Primarily he was. Most of them were not true communists and only in party for opportunity to gain power and prestige, but it was so regardless.

>>533313690
>Just look at how little prodding is needed for him to lash out against America, who is officially supposed to be Poland's best ally and friend these days.
Based.

>>533313690
>No one got any better after the collapse of the Eastern bloc.
Which is why they all want to rejoin the soviet union, right? Delusional russia. There is a reason why nobody wants to be part of your dystopian kleptocratic empire again.

>>533313047
Before 1960 you had Artels which while were somewhat independent and had agency and market will were not exactly private enterprise.

>>533313619
The difference is that Russian communists did good things and bad things. Significant advancements were made. Polish communists just did bad things and Poland still blames Russia for it instead of their local party branch

>>533313497
>Just because your local version of communism was retarded...
That's so cute and original at the same time.

>>533313902
>Polish communists just did bad things and Poland still blames Russia for it instead of their local party branch
Well its a good thing Russia is now prospering, now that it got rid of the butthurt belt leeches, right?

>>533313748
Have you actually spoken to anyone?
Sub-40 people can't remember anything since the soviet system predates them, while anyone above 50 is remorseful for the damage they did by allowing the system to collapse.

Just recall (if you can at all, albopolish zoomer) who took control in the wake of the collapse:
– people on literal CIA payrolls
– business managers (who subsequently became owners of the businesses where they were employees)
– actors and poets who had clout for being suppressed by the Regimes (the censorship was proven right once we could all see what degenerate filth these guys put out; not even anti-communist hardliners replay Havel's trash these days)

There was general apathy back in the day and everyone *thought* the improvement you imagine would come, but everything got so much worse instead.

And don't confuse technological progress with economic progress, it's not communism's fault you had no iPhone to goon with in your swiss employer's basement, it didn't exist back then. The collapse in population as everyone left because of the failing economy, the reputation of eastern women for being global whores, the self-image of relentless alcoholism: it all came after 1990, not before 1990.

But you wouldn't be the first that I've spoken to that lies to himself and the world – I once spoke with a dude who was a student around 1993 who blamed communism for not being able to afford food as a student... 4 years after communism

>>533313716
>Most of them were not true communists and only in party for opportunity to gain power and prestige
You mean commies in power who take advantage of genuine, retarded commies aren't true commies but do this for their own gains? Imagine my shock.

>>533314012
Not exactly, in the 1990s, the jews briefly robbed them before being kicked out.

>>533314411
>briefly robbed
Yet, after only a brief robbing (which was STOPPED by benelovent vladimir putin), the Russia still has issues catching up with its former vassal states in multiple regards.
Why is that, anon?

>>533314602
An endless stream of gibs.
Modern post-soviet countries generally have the same socioeconomic problems as southern Italy and Greece, so you can make a more fair comparison between non-EU former soviet republics and Swarthitalians, without the baggage of Poles blaming Russia for being Polish and obfuscating the socioeconomic historical and geographic factors shaping the relative lack of prosperity per capita

>>533313902
>Russian communists did good things
yea like exterminating countless russians in various famines and gulags while polish commies were just waiting untill this shithole collapses

>>533315139
>An endless stream of gibs.
Man, imagine if Russia propped up its Vassals with endless streams of gibs. They would have loyal friends now.

>>533313497
how do you explain poland is flourishing while Russia with one of the richest and largest country on earth is still plagued with wars, corruption, aids, no freedom of press, no free elections, no fair justice?

>>533315203
Russia never had widespread acid rain and obedience struggle sessions like Poland did. When we went with the union to a syndical vacation on Poland in the early 2000s, my tour guide said: "Poles are just inherently broken and paranoid people. They still keep looking behind their back if there is a policeman there and are afraid to state their opinions openly"
So if anything, it was the local Polish communist branch that was one of the most repressive.

>>533315581
Poland is the biggest EU benefactor and a huge net drain. Personally I think that's based since Germany and France are paying for it, but still it is not their achievement. Also Poland was not briefly robbed by jews in 1990s.

>>533315689
>They still keep looking behind their back if there is a policeman there and are afraid to state their opinions openly"
holy mother of projections

>>533315736
As usual you avoid answering the question. Russia is a dystopian dirt poor shithole. Why is that? Everyone else who got free from USSR is prospering and peaceful. For some reason only russia is still the same shithole it was. They have had almost 40 years to get their shit together and have only become even worse.

Ask your parents how living under USSR was since you obviously have no idea.

>>533315863
How would they know, retard? All I know is that Poles are at fault for the failures that Polish CP did. Not Russians.

>>533315820
Russians aren't afraid of anything. Never were.

>>533315375
>implying Poland and Hungary are loyal to the EU
The Polack will drain you like a golden calf just as he did the Russians. The Czech Praguelodyte is also a burden, at least he pretends to be civilized and following white rules.
Cut off the Polish gibs for his misbehavior and watch him scream in genuine pain as he mutters "muh holocaust, muh destroyed Polish artwork worth 25 trillion zloty", as if he's entitled to the world mandatorily buying polish diarrhea for its weight in gold

>>533315966
I could post a horrible video with a russian thats rightfully very afraid, but I will not stoop down to this level just to prove your absolute retarded statement wrong. I will just laugh at you instead, because you are inferior.
>The Polack will drain you like a golden calf just as he did the Russians.
Ah, so Russia DID give them endless gibs? So why hasnt poland prospered under russian rule?

>>533308211
>flag
Checks out

>>533315987
>>533316041
oh noes I fucked up

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>>533315689
that's a good one ox cart full of shit guy

>>533315987
You really think that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes true. That is not the case. USSR looted the countries it controlled, including Poland Czechia Hungary Baltics and many others. Once they broke free they started prospering because muscowia was no longer stealing everything from them.

>>533308048
>of slowly reforming the economy while maintaining the central party apparatus it likely could have become something like modern day China
Deng Xiaoping disbanded kolhozes in 1979.
USSR (now Russia) started to disband kolhozes in 1992 with new Yeltsin laws (privatisation, private farmer law etc), after Gorbachev was kicked out of power
USSR problem was it clinged to ideological Marxist purity too hard and as result no real economic reform could be done.

>>533316141
They did grow, they just started stagnating once they were finished with industrialization.

>>533310432
>Why many countries of Eastern Europe improve after USSR collapsed? Because nobody was leeching on them anymore.
Because communism was shorter lived for them and it did less damage to economy and society because of that.
Eastern Europe and Poland didn't have real hardcore Soveit style collectivisation of the agriculture with dekulakisation and holodomor. There were many other economic freedoms Soviet people didn't have, commies treated EE with white gloves comparing to Russia, because political reasons.

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>>533316063
The collapse of the Eastern system was due to popular dissatisfaction with it, not due to an unreformable catastrophic failure.

Socialist planning typically did not acknowledge sunk costs and required that an investment pay for itself before being dismantled as obsolete, which led to socialist countries still making black-and-white TVs in the 80s, which barely made any profit in international sales as they were sold nearly at-cost to South America and Africa, instead of admitting these products were obsolete and must be replaced by modern products (requiring modern machinery) ASAP.

Furthermore, Polish kvetching, the loudest kvetching there is in the former Eastern bloc, is not rooted in the USSR mistreating them, but in them being caricature-level wewuzzer nationalists. Only a Pole can attack democratic Czechoslovakia and Soviet Russia, and stonewall nazi Germany in negotiations, and then pretend they were wholly innocent, surprise-ambushed victims of WW2. The same way, only Poland can suck on the communsit teat, still borrow from Western creditors out of their own wanton greed, and pretend it was the Russians' fault when their economy imploded in 1980. Notice in the graph how it didn't happen to anyone else - 1980 wasn't a crisis year, Polish leadership inflicted it all on itself, and the blamed Russia.

The strategic Hungarian elections ousting Orban bought us a promise from Zelensky that the Druzhba pipeline will reopen in 2 weeks (I hope Z-kike isn't browsing /pol/ memes and trolling us), furthermore Poland has its own separate pipeline coming from Russia, so a collapse isn't imminent. An EU collapse may or may not come some day, but when it does, I want you to remember what I told you today, and see the Poles turn their backs on Germany and the western EU – they won't help, they'll point fingers at you and gloat, and claim Poland would have been even richer if faggot-loving green party leeches from Germany weren't holding them back

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>>533317035
>tl;dr

>>533317489
Seriously, what is your problem? Why do you attack your neighbors in all cardinal directions?

I am asking against my better judgement, I know from my experience and from the experience of others that Poles are dishonest, sub-jewish vermin. I know you will just wewuzz in my face

>>533317600
Nigger, Poland is in economic union and military alliance with 4 or it's 7 neighbours. Soon it will be 5 of 7. You're clearly barking at the wrong tree.

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>>533317600
you are a dishonest subhuman you russian retard so you get shit on
what else did you expect?
pic rel

>>533307506
No it wasn't. China figured this out.

>>533309525
Incorrect. Go read The Affirmative Action Superpower. The USSR was Russians being squeezed for churka gibs

>>533317834
You're trying to diplomatically antagonizing all of your allies over made-up issues, you nigger
https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/09/01/new-polish-president-demands-germany-pay-war-reparations-on-invasion-anniversary/
https://brnodaily.com/2022/09/11/news/politics/poland-revives-long-standing-demands-for-transfer-of-368-hectares-from-czech-republic/
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/this-nato-member-wont-send-patriot-launchers-help-america-against-iran-ps-040326

>>533310912
Actually, things were looking rosy at first from not having to subsidize Central Asia and without Ukrainian Premiers embezzling everything to their home SSR.

>>533307100
lol follow your leader commie faggot, disintegrate.
And take an axe to your own head while you're at it too .

>>533318108
The biggest recipients were the Ukrainians tbtfh with u.

50% of their pre-2014 territory was granted by communists to them after they got tired constantly sending them bailout money (so they gave them a permanent bailout colony to support them with internal wealth transfers). Why would the communists do it? Except for Stalin (who didn't simp for Ukraine) and the commies of the 80s, top soviet leadership were Ukrainians

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Man. Poolacks are truly subhuman animals who only exist to perpetually seethe at their superiors.

>>533307100
gorbachev was one of the biggest naive retards in recent history
anyone making excuses for him or his catastrophic mismanagement should be hanged

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>>533318238
oof

>>533318298
Things were actually very rosy until Russia precipitated the US dot com bubble by rugpulling a few major investors that overleveraged on Russian debt in the 90s, leaving them with no capital reserves to ride out the dotcom crisis.

In a bizzarre turn of events, instead of printing monopoly money to address internal debt (which is the standard, Obama-era way to do it), Russia in the 2nd half of the 90s defaulted (technically, paused paying and paid back later, rather than completely cancelling it) on internal debt, absolutely fucking private investors of all kinds (Russian and foreign) on the Russian domestic market.
Still, Russia took on all of the Soviet debt (in exchange for being recognized as the sole successor and only legitimate nuclear power) with 30% less territory (extra GDP loss on top of the GDP lost to economic collapse) and still managed to pay all of the debt in 20-25 years depending on specific creditor

>>533318650
>In a bizzarre turn of events, instead of printing monopoly money to address internal debt (which is the standard, Obama-era way to do it),
lmao when you have petro dollar it is
otherwise you end up like zimbabwe

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>>533318238
You dare to speak of antagonizing other countries? Fuck off.

>>533318791
I am not Russian, you counterfeit smuggler rat

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>>533318298
>Actually, things were looking rosy at first
Actually it was shitty from the beginning.

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>>533307100
Nobody out pizzas the hut

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>>533318938
the game was always rigged against them

>>533308048
This exactly, it’s easy to think fatalistically about history, but there is no reason the USSR was doomed to collapse.

Arguably it had been through more severe trials before and survived, but this time things just don’t work out and the wrong people were in the wrong places.

It’s important to not underestimate the pressure from legitimate traitors within the nation who sold it out to foreigners for easy money

>>533318870
You're obviously a retard. If you're genuine retard or vpnigger doesn't change anything for discussion.

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>>533318791
>You dare to speak of antagonizing other countries? Fuck off.
Poland is next, zydopolskie gowno, but this we'll be genociding you -- keep that in mind

>>533319144
You're a butthurt sewer rat from an irrelevant shithole who contributes absolutely nothing to any discussion you try to participate it. All you do is cope, seethe and fart while posting irrelevant or downright untrue garbage.

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>>533319264
lmao what did you contribute except for seething you russian retard

>>533318789
Quantitative easing would have been the correct play according to western economists, although those are the same money theorists that think Obama did a good job with the 2008 implosion, so your mileage may vary

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>>533319263
You won't do shit, nigger. Ruskie were never capable of winning against Poland without Krauts backing them. We have Krauts on our side this time. Even if AfD gets to power in Germany, I'd read their programme if I were you to save from disappointment.

I'm actually looking forward to war, because historically this is what was pumping up our fertility rates.

>>533319646
You are german arguing with a jeet. Neither of you are Slavs

>>533317035
>The collapse of the Eastern system was due to popular dissatisfaction with it
>Why dont you love me, you fucking slut?
Alright then

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>>533319646
>bij bolszewika.jpg
holy fucking larp, you colosal judeo-poleshit gypsy BYDLO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Pestkowski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Rokossovsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82aw_Weso%C5%82owski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimierz_Cichowski

>>533319402
maybe if they started in the early 80s along with free market reforms like the chinks did
already in 1985 because of soviet mismanagement there was much more money then product to be bought for this money so now one really needed this money anymore and hyperinflation + collapse was inevitable
and you had a choice either accept foreign involvement or be poor next couple decades

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>>533319832
>baby's first history lesson

gorbachev is the "stab in the back" guy for neo-imperialist russians and thats all there is to it. gigantic ass empire with 100+ million occupied people "uhm guys see this is just like china, it could have been saved with some ... capitalism!"

the only people who have anything positive to say about communism are people with party bootlickers in the family. fuck off and die you homos

>>533307506
>the economy was shit
So he then proceeded to make it far worse

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>>533320077
>>533320280
spierdalajcie na wykop, zydopolaczkowye czyrnuchy

no-one's interested in your yapping, you absolute untermenschen

/pol/ is a neo-nazi imageboard, exclusively for people of Euro descent

poles are jewish gypsy mutts, on the other hand, that should be genocided

>saar saying slavs are not white

There was almost world peace in the 1990s. Mossad blowing up WTC is what caused all of the current problems in the world.

>>533311081
Yes russia should definitely worsen their demographic problems with muslims by incorporating a fuckton more muslims instead of just banning onlyfans and telling thots to have kids.

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>>533320525
>>saar saying slavs are not white
poles are not slavs/whites

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>>533313100
Ukraine doesn't want it. Kazakhstan is the only logical expansion for the new confederation because everything else is too distant or full of muslims, while 20% of kazakhia is russia and the kazakhs themselves are sexy mestizos.

>>533320489
>spierdalajcie na wykop
It must must've been truly hard for you to come up with this, with your severe intellectual retardation. I appreciate.

>>533320731
they post on wykop too

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>>533320731
>>533320757
poles will never be humans, however you cope

>>533320597
Poles are Slavs

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>>533321110
>Poles are Slavs
No, they're subhuman gypsy KIKES, that should be toughly and bloodthirstily genocided by our glorious RvZZian army!!!

>>533321226
I know who is a kike here

>>533313443
You're the retard for not noticing as soon the USSR fell, everything that belonged to the state was sold to specific people. These people send their daughters and sons abroad and fuck Russia.

The fall of the USSR was horrific tragedy and let neoliberals rape the world unchecked.

>>533324547
I do believe ZOG was holding back in America because the USSR existed, so demoralizing the US army wasn't an option

>>533320555
>Almost world peace if not for whims of X
You don't actually believe this do you?