>>533317381
Is this the jew that fucked his daughters to repopulate his tribe? Such a cultured history

>>533317508
No. Judah impregnated Tamar, who was his daughter-in-law. He ignored her and didn’t hand her over to one of his other sons after her husband died, though Onan stepped in, and so she dressed up as a cult prostitute, covering her face with veil, and when he passed by he fucked her and got her pregnant. And she took his staff or something. So she shows up pregnant a few months later and he’s furious, and then she shows him his staff and he realizes he knocked her up. And thus was born Perez, the ancestor of David and consequently Jesus. Hot story.

It is Isaac, the father of Jacob(Israel) and Esau.
Shortly before passing, he wanted his son esau to prepare him his favorite meal and then pass on. Jacobs mother noticed and told Jacob to wear a sheep skin to mimic his brothers Body hair. (Isaac was blind, Jacob was soft) So he intentionally cheated his dieing father for a blessing.

Only orthodox Christianity can explain old testament because it is typological of God and Christs incarnate.
The point of Jacob and Esau story is at Christ says, not to be lukewarm. Esau was content with his inheritance while Jacob fought tooth and nail to gain Gods favor no matter what. His actions were morally wrong but due to his fiery desire God gave him a chance by allowing angel of the lord to wrestle with Jacob, this wrestling represents faith itself and constant ceaseless process we need to partake in.
As the result of all of this Jacob gained Gods favor because he proved that he desired it above all else, who does this remind you of? Other nations versus the Jews.
The Jews were content with revelation of God, but when time came to wrestle with God they refused to do it and even entertain their faith, on the other hand the nations of the world desired word of God like a man dying of thirst in the desert.

>>533317602
Jesus is the Son of God, the holy spirit is his father.
Only through adoption he would join Josephs family tree.
Also David was a murderer and killed the hetite Urija to finally breed King Salomo into life. Wich is still the greatest deceiver to the people of Israel, introducing the past heritage of egyptian wisdom teachings and finally replacing the law of god with the law of man.

>>533317381
This is actually the thing that bothers me the most as a Christian. Jacob/Israel is literally a thief who stole from his father and brother. Why does his action have zero negative consequences when it's one of the Ten Commandments he broke, twice?

>>533317983
I can explain all parts of old testament, God willing, through correct Orthodox phronema, God willing.
This tomfoolery and corruption of theology in west has gone too far, throw anything at me.

>>533318004
Because it’s a book written by Jews with Jewish values. Remember the part in Numbers where Moses massacres all the Midianites except the virgin girls?

>>533318004
See
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>>533318004
1. It was before was before the commandments ever got laid down
2. Jacob didn't get off scott free, he still had to deal with shit
3. He actually does become a better person later on
You can look at it as that even if you're God's chosen, you aren't going to be perfect. It's only when "wrestling with God" and other shit is when you can be refined. So, it's not "God blessed him for being a bastard", but "God blessed him despite being a bastard".

>>533317508
No, you're thinking of Lot, who was raped by his daughters as punishment for offering them up to be raped by the masses. He didn't want to have sex with his daughters. They did it to him to defile him, because he was going to have them defiled. It was payback.

>>533318231
Yes but the most important thing is that Esau was content while Jacob desired God even though he was morally imperfect
Then through wrestling with God his nature became better too
We can't be content with God by virtue of promise alone if we don't desire God above life

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>>533318231
>all that goyslave cope

>>533317983
How do we know now it was not Esau he wrestled with. It was in the midsts of a river, it was dark.
It is simple to say: it was an angel of g*d

>>533318288
I hate it when sexy little girls force me to impregnate them

I thinknits more about selling your heritage for a bowl of soup

>>533318378
They presumably weren't going about it in a nice way. He was blackout drunk, and they hated him. Who knows what crazy shit they did to him? They could have damaged his dick.

>>533318288
>Jewish book is full of Jewish sexual fantasies and incest porn scenarios
Wow Anon, almost like it's a shit ass book that only a completely Somali-maxxed mutt would actually believe in.

>>533318231
So you're implying there simply was no law, no such thing as feeling of what is wrong or right? Go ask a group of school kids if they think this is wrong or right.
They haven't spent years studying torah or the talmud but I am pretty sure they would tell you straight ahead what to make of this Jacob character..

>>533318323
You're mostly right, but Jacob wasn't pure in desiring God either. His initial desire was more of being transactional with God with "If God does this, then he shall be my God", so it's still self-serving. It's only later that he finally becomes humble through transformation.
>>533318569
I'm saying humans are imperfect, but it doesn't stop God's grace. This isn't me running defense saying "Jacob was the shit", I'm just pointing out that even through flawed individuals something good can come out of it.

>>533317381
This is where the rubber meets the road for a religion. The tires are bald.

>>533318357
We know it was God because the scripture says that it was God, angel of God is preincarnate logos, that is the God that people see face to face when Jacob says
>30 So Jacob called the name of the place [e]Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
If we are at a point where we question narrative in scripture this is no longer Christianity because you need to read the text with presupposition that it is divinely revealed
If you don't do that, be my guest, but that isn't the mode in which text presents itself

>>533317381
>judaism
cheating, lying and stealing since 5000 BC

>>533318653
I agree with you, but I also think the core is that any relation we have with God and fire towards him is better than being content, and as we know God can purify everything further

>>533318528
Or possibly the pedo rapist kike lied about it, as crazy as that sounds

>>533318541
>Everyone wants to be a writer these days.
>Seems as if the end of the world is fast approaching.

How common was writing? Were there like 100 reputable authors at the time or even less people that could be relied apon to not try to Jew the future generations with power grabbing disingenuous influence attempts.

>>533318541
It can be interpreted in different ways, and I'm not saying it's all literally true. We can look at it like "Don't treat your kids like shit because they'll remember". Rape victims are NOT treated kindly in this cultural context (treated worse than rapists), so his daughters may have even set him up for divine retribution after he dies, for being raped.

>>533317983
It's just a chronicle, man. Not all history is sacred history.

>>533318004
>Why does his action have zero negative consequences
It doesn't tho. See this guy's answer >>533318001 the entire lineage is cursed.
(Which is why Christ had to be a virgin birth.)

>>533317702
Esau was a Godless, racemixing fuckwit who God literally said "he always hated". That's why God said "the older shall serve the younger" and allowed Jacob to take the blessing.
Btw, modern jews are of Japheth, not Shem. If you're a white German you have more Israelite blood than them.

>>533318840
That's not orthodox phronema, wrestling with God is one of the most important typologies of incarnation.
Not surprising that an average Russians understanding of theology is in the gutter though after your communist reign.

>>533318653
Yes he was "only" human. But THIS is the guy behind all of this deceit for influence and power that is ravaging in the so called west these days... THIS character is behind the people who imply they have a natural upper hand over all the other people. They say "Of course G*d is with us, our success proves us right" Meanwhile their G*d is this kind of behaviour. Torah is filled with such characters, using forwardthinking and justifying murder of whole civilizations by being chosen people.

The whole intention behind the scripture is building a cage of thinking to become a people who do not care about anything but own benefit.

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>>533318675
Put simply: the Christian reading of "wrestled with God" is that Jesus Christ gave Jacob an ass-whooping.

>>533318915
Jacob being a scumbag wasn't preordained. You're projecting everything else that happened later onto a simple and unpleasant fact.

>>533318675
So he cheats his dieing father of a blessing but were supposed to believe what he made of the whole situation?

>>533319013
My guy, Talmudic Judaism is the heretical offshoot of the Torah, and Christianity is the actual fulfillment. Jesus was shitting on the Pharisees (who is the group that would lay down the foundations for the Talmud) for being complete hardened retards that served the devil. Their interprentations and rape of the Torah is insane bullshit.

>>533317381
All of Yahweh's Prophets and Patriarchs are evil freaks because Yahweh is Satan

>>533319091
Biblically, cheating and deception aren't always wrong. "Thou shalt not lie" is not a commandment.

>>533319026
Yeah that's true, in fact it would be more correct to say that every time humans physically interact with God it has always been and always will be logos, the word, Christ, because that is the person proper to divine procession who we have always interacted with starting from Eden.
We never interact with the father through anyone but the son because the essence of God is associated with the father and nothing in creation can perceive the essence of God since it is uncreated, outside of time and ontologically above reality. All our interactions with the father have always been through the son as he is the eternal logos.

>>533319013
Old Testament histories are much, much closer to Greek tragedy than to anything Jewish.

>>533319148
Give an example of a Torah interpretation you think is wrong an explain why rather than just trying to dunk on Jews but putting no effort other than crying heresy.

Or tell me a Christian interpretation of why Lot got raped, I'd legitimately be interested.

>>533319091
Are you autistic? Do you not understand what I wrote?
Any kind of disposition towards God is better than being indifferent, content or sure of yourself.
This is one of the reasons why pharisees also fell, because they were certain in their own righteousness not as a gift of grace that you receive in humility and through wrestling with faith but as if it was their preordained exaltation dedicated to them as a nation rather than to God.

>>533319287
>Or tell me a Christian interpretation of why Lot got raped, I'd legitimately be interested.
There is no "interpretation", that's just the purported origin story of the Moabites and Ammonites.

>>533319287
Lot being raped is never portrayed as a good thing. It led to a geneaology of tribes that practiced Baal worship (child sacrifice) in Canaanite lands. Also, you really want to argue that the Talmud of all things is "correct" in the inane Rabbi kvetching it depicts?

>>533319148
You're right, but it does always have this heritage engrained. Christian Church also has adapted lots of rites of indo-aryan teachings such as the ones from the avesta (Iranian Religion of Zarathustra) and also plenty of rites like praise of imagery are not of G*d either.

>>533319344
Why did God let them do it, when God literally just destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their immorality?

>>533317381
Has there ever been theological discussion of the possibility of Jacob and Esau being half-brothers? I'm not sure how long ago the mechanics of twins was known but it could be an interesting discussion either way you take it. Either Esau is the bastard and through loyalty to her husband the mother pushes Isaac's true son as the heir or, more interesting, Esau is Isaac's true son and because of her duplicitousness the mother pushes her bastard son as the heir
>>533318288
>He didn't want to have sex with his daughters
Of course not, he just got drunk and did it anyway

>>533319542
As an Orthodox Christian reading this through the Fathers, Saint John Chrysostom is the key guide. In his 44th Homily on Genesis, he urges caution, since Scripture includes nothing idle. He reads the Lot episode not as a celebration of vice, but as a tragic account of fallen humanity driven to its limit. The daughters are not portrayed as acting from lust, but from terror and confusion after the destruction of Sodom and the apparent loss of all other human life. Lot, too, is shown as a man overcome by grief and drunkenness, unaware of what happens.

The point of the passage is not divine approval of incest, which natural law and later Mosaic law condemn. Rather, it reveals the bitter fruit of Lot’s earlier compromise with Sodom, he chose the fertile plain, lingered in the city, and became entangled in its life, he was lukewarm. The cave in the mountains is the final consequence of that choice. The story shows that sin does not remain external, it corrupts the soul, the family, and even the way people think about survival and has inevitable consequences. This of course is connected to Adams sin and our current compromised existence.

Yet the passage also carries typological hope. From Moab and Ammon come peoples often opposed to Israel, but from Moab comes Ruth, whose faith brings her into Israel and into the lineage of David, and thus of Christ. What began in shame becomes, by God’s providence, a prelude to mercy. The episode therefore teaches both the gravity of sin and the power of divine redemption, that God through Providence can inevitably fix everything.

You also need to understand that as humanity matures Gods revelation becomes stricter towards perfection until incarnation of Christ after which humans are ready to become one with God in communion.

>>533319542
Because there was still fallout from what Lot did in the Moabites and Ammonites coming down the road, it just wasn't instaneous for the consequences. In the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, it was more than just rape that needed to be addressed. The whole thing was systemic abuse on a wide scale of not only rape, but murder, violence, exploitation, homosexuality, etc.

>>533319779
The Torah is clear that Lot feared defilement and divine retribution, which is why he was the leadt immoral Sodomite. He offered his daughters to be raped in place of the angels, because he thought God wanted him to. But he was wrong, that was an immoral offering to make, so he was set up to be defiled.

In Judaism God does not love angels like he loves Jews, Jews outrank angels. Kind of like how in Christianity Satan as an angel was supposed to bow before Adam.

>>533317602
Perez Hilton? who just saw Jesus?

>>533319779
It says their mother prefered Jacob because he stayed by the tents and his father liked esau better because he was a hunter. As for your theological question I am not sure.

>>533317381
Esau was a faggot so who cares?

>>533320027
Not kind of, humans are more important than angels because in proper orthodox Christian theology humans become partakes of God through Christ in a way other creatures can't without incarnation and that was always the intention.

>>533318046
what's the deal with circumcision
what's the tetragrammaton
I wish I were better prepared for such an opportunity. I'll think hard

>>533320171
Well Isaac was a man of G*d, G*d was with him so to speak. When you cheat such a relevant person, what does this make you?

>>533319313
My friend, didn't Jesus teach not to curse

>>533318004

Just because Jacob received the blessing from his father, didn't mean God blessed him right away. He deceived twice, his brother and his father. Likewise when Jacob went to find his wife, Laban deceives him twice. 7 years for each wife he had to work, and 6 years for the cattle totaling 20 years of servitude. Only after wrestling the angel after all of this, does he receive God's blessing finally

>>533320356
A fulfiller of prophecy. Before the two brothers were even born, God told Rebekah "the older shall serve the younger"

>>533319830
Thank you for this high effort reply.

That is a good interpretation and it makes sense. If I understand correctly, God did not kill the daughters because he took pity on them for being desparate and confused.

In the more Jewish interpretation I shared, God lets them live presumably because he took pity on them for being deeply wounded by betrayal.

Is it really that different? The corruption of Lot's family exists in both interpretations, and so do many of the same lessons.

There is some common ground between Judaism and Christianity.

>>533318288
https://vocaroo.com/1m6TFp16PDQ8

>>533320336
>what's the deal with circumcision
Removes a lot of sexual pleasure to facilitate Torah study. Removes the main pleasure centers of the penis because man is only meant to enjoy sex a bit, not too much.

The OT is one giant cope for a tribe who constantly got their shit pushed in by the bigger empires around them, like some ancient Poland.
Esau is the jock, like the big empires, and Jacob is the nerd, like the Hebrews. They take pride in being a scheming, conniving nerd who gets one over on the jock.

>>533320194
OK, but that's really similar to Judaism's take on it too.

>>533320693
If the OT was one big cope, it wouldn't depict the Jews in such a poor light. Their failures and retardation is depicted time and time again that constantly leads them to getting assblasted by other moving pieces. It's a surprisingly honest portrayal for a supposed text that has a (once) chosen race.

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>>533317381
wtf is op talking about
jacob and esau were brothers

and esau was a race mixer who mixed with canaanites

>And Esau was a designing and deceitful man, one who hunted after the hearts of men and inveigled them, and Esau was a valiant man in the field, and in the course of time went as usual to hunt; and he came as far as the field of Seir, the same is Edom.
>I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.
>And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
>Then Isaac called Jacob and blessed him and directed him, “You must not take a wife from the Canaanite women."
>Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite: Which were a agrief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.
>Esau marries Hittite (Canaanite) wives to the sorrow of his parents.

>>533320909
That's part of the cope.
They invent a big mean daddy god to protect them from the big empires, like a schoolyard nerd claiming his daddy is gonna come and beat up the bullies. But, this dad never actually shows up (obviously).
So they cope by saying they behaved badly, that must be why daddy never showed up and they got beat up anyway.

>>533320336
Circumcision was typological of how old humanity and old covenant was circumstantial and debased compared to new covenant in Christ. Old covenant was literally tied to blood itself as a symbol of how humanity was cut off from Gods intended image into a state where even if lived a righteous life it was impossible to restore ones state into correct disposition with God. Cutting away out front flesh of your penis, as a patriarch (every man is patriarch of his family and his blood), is your personal blood/life sacrifice to God and a promise that you promise all of your generations/your seed to God, you dedicate your whole reproduction to God with hope that eventually one day he will come and save your descendants because you have no chance of true salvation at the moment.
Christ took in entire human nature in Christ we genuinely changed and no longer need to be debased and chained to ground, now we can be properly on our path of becoming like God in his image as he intended for us. In the person of Christ all covenants and all law of fulfilled, he is literally divine law himself and he is also personally the new Adam thus when we participate in Christ through him participate in new humanity and a new covenant with God not reliant on future promise and fear of calamities and retribution.
Tetragrammaton is what describes Gods nature, especially in relation to creation, as much as human speech can. God is, his being is self propelled, his being is outside of time not reliant on prior cause for himself because he is uncaused, his existence is before/prior/larger than all of existence and all of time together. On the other hand everything else that exists is sequential and contingent on what came prior, nothing else simply is because anything else is being itself in itself.

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>>533320966
The Rabbis say that Jesus is a reincarnation of Esau. They hate Jesus and Esau identically and believe they are the same person.

>>533320545
You're right. And in the same way he hardened the heart of pharaoh to not let them leave egypt before they did. we are not to question wich part of scripture is part of truth and wich is part of fiction.

>>533320908
Yes because Judaism is mostly correct in many things, even a lot of intuition of certain mystical kabbalistic practices is correct in intuition but not in execution.
That is because without incarnation you end up in pseudo-gnostic emanations or similar cosmology.

>>533321037
>On the other hand everything else that exists is sequential and contingent on what came prior...
This isn't what modern science shows. Einstein's theories, which have mathematical and empirical support, show that effects are just as contingent on their causes as causes are on their effects.

The flow of time and the submission of effect to cause are animal experiences. They don't correspond 1:1 with reality, and if they did, modern technology that takes relativity into account would not work.

>>533321078
Written by Charles a. Weisman

>>533321032
I'm pretty sure God was constantly fed up with their shit because they were doing things that obviously shouldn't be done. Your argument is coming from a place of saying this is a deluded people (which they were mostly), but if that's the case then how exactly do they have the self-awareness to charge themselves with their obviously wrong crimes? The personality profile you're trying to paint would be of a crybully that would be the last group of people to realize what they did wrong.

>>533321214
which means what?
>The surname Weiman has primarily German roots, often originating as an Americanized form of Weimann, meaning a person from Weimar, Germany

>>533320966
Did I imply anything else?
King David was a "race mixer" too.
And he is one of the most prestigious characters of israeli lore...

>>533320048
It just seems like with how they're described as being so different i would make sense within the story for them to be half-brothers

>>533321140
I could just as easily turn thst around and say Christianity is mostly correct in many things, but if you add the Trinity, you no longer have pure monotheism.

Note, please don't take anything I say personally, this is just a very enjoysble debate to me. I don't purport to know what's true and what's not.

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>>533321426
That is a jewish name. Look up wp on jewish names, ashkenazi jewish names are often created by adding 2 german words together ...stein ....berg ....mann ....zweig ....bach ....baum ...sohn or the amricanzied equivalent

>>533321337
My argument is historical and literary. I'm not acknowledging that any of this semitic mythology is actually real.

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>>533317602
This is too much. I thought I knew all the stories by now WTF

>>533321119
God hardens your heart when you want nothing to do with him, because that's what you want. Pharaoh decided for himself he wasn't going to let them leave.

>>533321426
WeiSman you troglodyte. Although some unfortunate Germans carry that name it is historically very typically jiddish.

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>>533321119
Maybe we should question why scum like you aren't allowed to say God's name?

>>533321186
This is not in relation to understanding of general relativity or quantum effects, because you are taking my simple basic syllogistic explanation into a non linguistic/logic context.
For your context the idea is that God and his being exist outside of the general field that would encompass the universe, he would not fit into the energy/matter paradigm if universe is ultimately a closed system.
He exists in a state completely outside of conventional existence and for his point of view he is able to interact with time in an eternal mode of existence that is to say his omniscience comes from his state of existence compared to our reality, I can refer to church fathers who elaborate on this but it is important to understand that his mode of being is wholly independent from the rest of existence.

>>533321842
Perhaps, I softened my heart / from where I was before.. but I am still in so much anger about all that's been going on recently. Hope you understand

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>>533317381
Cope? We learn from this.

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>>533317381
The Ashkenazim are Khazars, not Hebrews.

>>533320515
Christ literally didn't teach that.

>>533321699
If I have time I'll try to write down my opinion, but in short if you have a cosmology that has emanations it is extremely close to pantheism or animism in relation to how matter and God interact, and if we have some kind of monadic pantheism Teleology becomes very problematic to a point that it can be argued that information becomes arbitrary and all relative.
This is all sounding like shizobabble but I can elaborate if I have time on my opinion.

>>533321490
David was a mutt himself. His grandparents were Ruth (full goy) and Boaz (half goy).
Not to mention, the mixed multitude (erav rav) that came out of Egypt with them in the beginning. The entire nation was mutted with Egyptian blood from the beginning.

>>533318004
Jacob spent 7 years as a slave to get the wife he wanted only for the father to give him the daughter Jacob didn't want. Jacob then had to work 5 more years as a slave to finally get the wife he actually wanted to be with.

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>>533320515
Didn't he literally curse a tree for not producing fruit when it wasn't the season for producing fruit?

Maybe we should all strive for divine harmony but that won't work for as long as one does not want to comply to G*ds will... that is the reason for all of suffering.

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>>533319542
God generally speaking doesn't micromanage and lets people commit mistakes, except in some isolated civilization-threatening circumstances.

>>533322156
Matthew 5,22

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>>533322278
It's God, not G*d. One of you clearly hates the other

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>>533317381
The story comes from Enkidu and Gilgamesh. Remember, Esau was the man completely covered in hair.
>"Away from the richness of the earth, away from the dew of heaven" (Gen 27:39)
Most of them live underground, but the Idumeans (modern jews) have that blood in them.

>>533317381
Why is every sandnigger religion has child rape and cuckoldry.

>>533321977
Another good reply, you are literally my only actual competition here...but we're back to Judaism again. Orthodoxy has LOTS of parallels to Judaism as you noted. I can't even argue against your points, all I can do is just say they're roughly aligned with Judaism.

>>533318004
Jacon fairly traded for Esau's firstborn inheritance (? idk the word in english) during the soup incident when they were teens so it's not really a scam.

>>533322247
The concept of "goy" didn't exist back then.
Also, "Moses" is a Egyptian name and Moses was legit Egyptian aristocracy, with all that implies.

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I 'member

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>>533322529
>fairly

>>533322266
Which is another stupid story. He should've known how his people have require older sisters to marry before younger sisters. Unless it is just something his uncle made up to fuck with him

>>533322473
You should read some Greek and Roman religion texts, you're in for a shock.

>>533322725
Yeah
>I want some soup
>Ok give me your firstborn status
>Ok sure lol

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Wait so even in the old testament the God's chosen were led by fucking muttoid "goys" Fucking kek.

>>533322585
"Thou shalt not rape" isn't a commandment. Rape victims were not sympathized with at the time, at all, and being a rapist was seen as less bad than being a rape victim. Brutal times.

>>533322793
So I'm sure what's happening to Europe is more than fair

>>533322488
We believe that orthodox Christianity is continuation of temple Judaism, our liturgy is typologically based on trying to symbolically take a Judaic temple ritual and then trying to fulfill it through our understanding of Christ. For example our divine liturgy/mass is based on the temple sacrifice with same sequence of events that involve things be it sacrifice or sprinkling of blood etc but replaced with Christ himself in place of sacrifice.

>>533322835
Thou shalt not steal. That includes stealing away a man's daughter, but I'm sure you have a technicality that cancels that out

>>533317381
I keep explaining. My golems, I will explain even though you are villagers from minecraft that cannot comprehend what I am saying. We will redact what we please. Including your people. Diversity is our strength. We need to segregate ourselves from filth like you. You and the blend of other nations are not like us. You are a goy. Cattle. We are G-ds chosen people. Its stated in the Bible, go look it up. Educate yourself on who gave birthrights to? It was given to Jacob not Easu! This is land is OUR land. Sing it with me. From California, to the New York Islands goy! You are the calf we barely keep alive and milk, ripe for the taking! I dont care if its based out of deceit. Blessed birthright is bless birthright. Which our people have! It is embedded in our language & in our books. We segregate our kind from yours because you are not like us. Cattle are animals that have no rights. What right? If you are not jewish, you are considered a beast. We are the humans! You are not! Do you shed a tear for chickens that get genocided because of avian flu? Do you mourn the deaths of cows in the slaughterhouse when you are eating your porterhouse steak? Of course not! I will not cry for your bitch ass! I will cry in pain when I slice your throat like the cattle you are! You are the chicken I grab by the ankles you stupid goy! A jew can take (not steal), have sexo (no consent, rape cannot be defined when you are beast) and slaughter (not murder) said beasts because you are cattle with no human rights. Am Yisrael chai! Always remind me of NPCs like you. Dumb goyim never get it. We explain & explain. Snip the tips of your benis and brand you goy like an owned animal. Do you not know this higher than you mentality? Nephesh Chayyah, you do not have. Beasts you are! With no souls! Die goyim! You dont even know the hate I have for you. Too dumb to know! Cant wait for you christians to die! Standard issue! Golden Sig P320/M7 will sit proudly next to the Golden Pager!

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>>533322247
Is this jew's zutt moment? Their greatest kings and holy bloodline are actual goys larping as "god's chosen"

>>533322215
Please do elaborate I'd be happy to read it.

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>>533321040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMaf8jIYgzI
There's a reason just about every country in the world has stories about hairy men that are there one minute and gone the next.

>>533317602
Oh that’s the story black churches use to say it’s ok to knock up prostitutes but “you gotta cum in dat bitch” heard it right from a pastor in Atlanta. That’s from Genesis, and the brother did attempt to do his duty and fuck his sister in law after his brother’s death, but he pulled out and so God himself struck him down and killed him. Aka He’s the “guy whose pullout game so strong God had to smite his ass.”

Also the father was going to have the girl killed for being a prostitute even though he had gone to see a prostitute himself, women could be killed for it. And when she proved he’s the one that knocked her up, he was all like welcome home! Nothing to see here everyone. No stoning the whore today Im afraid, I’ll be tapping this one again tonight.

At least that’s how black churches tell it.

African Americans have such a colorful interpretation of the word of God. Surely no one would find it rude or disrespectful.

>>533322386
He turned their mom into a pillar of salt, anon. Maybe sent her to Hell as well.

>>533322950
Oh my!
Toxic masculinity and internalized misogyny galore! Very problematic.

>>533322848
Europe betrayed Hitler (its last savior) so yeah. Germans accepted decades of split imperialism by USA and Soviets instead of bringing the whole Germany down with them. Half of Italy betrated Mussolini by 1943. Spain cucked out of the war. France welcomed the USA with open arms. And Engl*nd fought Hitler and Europe since day 1. We are being punished by God for our behavior towards Hitler.

>>533322529
>nice, brother, you've got my dinner ready
>ha, yes, but first trade me your birthright for it
>look I've had a long day, can we not do your shit today
Very fair
>>533322835
Yes, it is, the one translated to English "do not steal" is among Jews seen as "do not kidnap" meaning/including rape

>>533323041
>And when she proved he’s the one that knocked her up, he was all like welcome home! Nothing to see here everyone.
Lol'd

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Literal 1/4 jew muttoid made jews cut their dicks for several millenia you actually can't make this shit up lmao

>>533323122
No take-backsies! Your bloodline is cursed forever but not mine hehehehe

>>533322917
It's really more academic to me. I don't believe any of it. The reply would be that humans belong to God, so if God says to one human, "you can rape the other human it's OK". there's no stealing involved because God owns everyone. God consented, so the victim's consent doesn't matter.

Again I'm not saying I agree with it, don't get it wrong.

>>533323086
She was turned into a pillar by whatever mechanism destroyed Sodom, not literally by God.

Also, there is no such thing as "Hell" in Christianity.

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>>533323280
>if God says to one human, "you can rape the other human it's OK". there's no stealing involved
Literally stopped reading there. Nice try, jewrat cunt

>>533321803
You didn't know the guy and his three sons story? Its a real stupid one. Its especially good because it has been used wrong, people have called masturbation "the sin of Onan" or "onanism" from the "spilled his seed on the ground" line BUT that isn't about masturbation, its about pulling out. And its about pulling out for a specific reason, it was his responsibility to impregnate his brother's widow to produce an heir for him but he wanted any sons he produced to be considered his so he pulled out.
It might be the earliest known description of pulling out but I'm no expert on ancient writings so there might be another one, it is certainly among the earliest descriptions of pulling out

>>533323301
So where does the weeping and gnashing of teeth happen?

>>533323301
>Also, there is no such thing as "Hell" in Christianity.
There is the risk of a lousy afterlife, that is what I meant by Hell. It doesn't need to be Dante's Inferno.

>>533323411
That I knew, but I didn't know Judah walked the streets at night according to his own descendants

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>>533323425
Technically the real afterlife will only be after the Second Coming and Resurrection.

>>533323356
I didn't say I agreed with it, I specified I don't. It's the mark of a fool who can't understand the concept of elucidating concepts you don't actually agree with.

>>533318004
>cheat to get what you want
Its the fundamental thesis of the entire jewish religion

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>>533323579
OK, so what do you think about Muhammad being God's prophet, Mr elucidator? And the fact that he said words that no human being could have knowledge of?

>>533323579
>>533323698
Or does entertaining shit you don't agree with only work when you're suggesting that God commands rape?

>>533317381
To Jews, Esau represents gentiles and the struggle between the two of them represents the relationship between Jews and gentiles.

>>533322990
Certain kabbalistic descriptions of the Sephirot can appear to blur the boundary between the uncreated God and the created order. If the divine life is mapped as a chain of emanations that unfold into the world with such intimacy that each level becomes a quasi-divine mode, ofGod begins to look less like the transcendent, personal Lord who freely creates and reveals, and more like an impersonal metaphysical process; second, the world itself can begin to look animated by divine forces in a way that borders on animism. In that case, creatures do not simply receive life from God, they seem to participate in divinity as though divinity were diffused through them by essence.
This creates a problem for teleology and epistemology. Teleology becomes unstable because the meaning of beings no longer rests clearly in God’s free intention and logoi, but in a symbolic ladder of powers whose relations can feel elastic and relativistic rather than determinate. Epistemology also becomes fragile, because if God is approached chiefly through emanative symbols rather than personal revelation, then knowledge of God risks becoming a process of interpreting an impersonal process rather than interaction with a personal being. The greater danger is that God ceases to be known as “Thou” and becomes a sacred structure, an impersonal depth, or a metaphysical vocabulary for the order of the world itself.
Orthodoxy insists that divine revelation must preserve both communion and distinction. God truly acts in history, yet His essence remains beyond all created essence. The proper bridge between God and man is therefore the Logos, the eternal Word through whom all things were made, and who in the Incarnation unites divine and human without confusion, change, division, or separation. In Christ, God does not merely emanate into the world, his personhood enters it but assumes human essence to operate in. I will need more time to explain how Orthodoxy is different.

>>533323738
Nobody cares what rabbinical Judaists think, it's an ancient aliens tier schizo nu-age religion.

>>533323738
>larp as the gentile
>steal what he is owned
>demand everything
>give jackshit
Man it fucking speaks about their character a lot doesn't it.

>>533323560
Yes, correct.
Western theology spiritualizes it too much, out current state even after death is just a pretaste.
After eschaton reality will change into an edenic state, there will be general resurrection of all humans and future world will be spiritual and material visibly at the same time, deified Christ after transfiguration is the example of how humanity will be.

>>533323954
0.2 of the globe owning 73% of the world corporations do.

>>533323726
Yeah, every woman in a Sultan's harem has the right to say no to the Sultan. Give me a break.

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>>533324094
>>larp as the gentile
That's an interesting point. They think Rome is Esav, but their patriarch impersonated Esav

>>533323911
Also fuck word limits, I constantly have to trim what I have to say.

>>533324178
Those straight up continue worshiping Baals and Astartes just like their ancestors did.

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>>533317381
By trying to wipe us out??
They're scared we will throw off our yoke and rule over the world again as is our divine birthright

>>533324279
And God aparently content with them raping the planet.

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>>533324210
I asked a very simple question, cocksucker

And the Sultan has nothing to do with scumbags like you. Solomon had 1000 girls in his harem, and half of them were pagans according to your book

>>533324250
I'd take the hint if I were you
Even the system can't read all your shit lol

>>533323911
Beautiful post, strong rebuttal. You're way more invested in the argument than me and have put in a lot more effort.

My counterpoint is basically, God seems more like a metaphysical process than a Thou. This world looks way more like a creation of the first one than the second one. But looks can be deceiving so my counterpoint is admittedly weak.

Basically, you got me, good work. Wasn't expecting someone literate to be here.

>>533318900
>taking genesis literally
Shiggy

>>533324324
And apparently so are we, since we aren't doing shit.

>>533317381
He trusted the plan and overcame God and man.

>>533324390
Ultimately chans were never intended for long form content, it's an anime imageboard at the end of the day for quick banter. I understand my limitations here, always have.

>>533324469
>Wasn't expecting someone literate to be here.
Damn dude. You're really good at sucking dick

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>>533324345
>I'm angry. Ree!
IDC lol. The Christian was able to actually debate me and win, you're just impotently raging.

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>>533324567
>The Christian was able to actually debate me and win,
What an accomplishment. Too bad you think he deserves death for only worshipping one jew instead of every jew

>>533324512
Damn dude, you're really good at making yourself look stupid.

>>533324657
I literally said I don't believe any of this, idiot. It's about logic, you wouldn't understand.

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>>533324686
Yeah, I'm the one who looks stupid here and not the rape advocate jewrat

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>>533323738
>Esau represents gentiles

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>>533324751
Denounce the Talmud

>>533324469
I have to run now, take care of kids but this was very pleasant.
There are a lot of smart people on here and honestly anywhere on the internet it is just that the ratio is skewed same as irl towards retards.
As a small final point, which might sound way less philosophical and almost naive, but the reason why I think God is personal is simply because in my opinion God told me and everyone in his word to us that he is a personal being, with a Telos for us.
God bless you either way, hope you find your way to what you believe is truth.

>>533324805
What do I get in exchange?

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>>533324900
I'll take that as a "no"

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>>533321214
Everytime you even mention Esau, Edom or Amalek, an Amerimutt shows up to try to poison the well and shill either (((Flavius Josephus))), (((Benjamin H. Freedman))) or (((Charles A. Weisman)))

>>533324967
It's not. You're ordering me around, and I'm telling you if I submit to your order I expect something in exchange. I'm not your bitch, if I work for you I'm getting paid one way or another. Pretty simple, like you.

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>>533324786
Not knowing this is the definition of being bluepilled

>>533325224
Nice AI slop

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>>533324786
but hey, at least you posted a frog, and that's what we're all about, amirite?

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>>533325425
idc what some lying jew says.
gentiles are the descendants of Japheth.
the descendants of Shem converted to Christianity and the descendants of Japheth are crafted into it like Noah prophecied.
those rats are outside, the offspring of Ham.

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>>533325545
>idc what some lying jew says
>WE WUZ DA REAL JEWS
>RABBI YESHUHUA IS MY SAVIOUR AND THE KING (OF THE JEWS)

>>533325744
retard.

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If there's one thing the Jews don't want you to know about, this is it

>>533317381
The story makes no sense and has no relevance to anything, like most of the Bible.

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>>533326026
Yeah..

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The Jew fears Esau's Blessing

>>533318046
>Orthodox
Interesting, what do you think of the Council of Florence(1445)?
Catholics claim that since the Orthodox signed it, it's valid, while the Eastern Orthodox claim that they were under intense pressure from the Ottomans and they needed to sign in order to receive military aid from the West and once they got back home they repented of having signed it.

I understand the Catholic claim that once you sign, you've signed and you're for all intents and purposes bound by Catholic doctrine from that point. Thoughts?

>>533318004
The Commandments didn’t exist yet at that point in the Biblical timeline. There literally wasn’t any law from God for him to break.

>>533326093
Unfortunately, without the presence of a Nationalist state, all I can do is wallow in how different things could've been.

>>533326423
First of all this isn't a jew. Jews or judeans come from judea of the tribe of Judah which is one of the twelve tribes. I doubt that this person is from the tribe of Judah at all. If you can prove that he is maybe we'll settle on calling him a jew. Maybe.

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You guys are the most bluepilled turboffaggots /pol/ has ever seen
It's not even funny anymore
It's just sad

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>>533326800
Don't cry because It's over
Smile because it happened

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>>533326093
Destroying pagan temples was part and parcel of the ancient world. You would destroy the altars and shrines, build your own, and steal the gods and their vessels and put them in yours.

>>533317602
His daughter in law turned into a prostitute for a day after her husband and brother in law died. Judah was the 3rd guy she ever had sex with. I can't help but wonder if they were role playing being strangers the whole time. All because she didn't want to wait for her other brother in law to grow up. Cuckholding is very Jewish.