>>533322020
again nigger faggot
you need to first be able to protect what is yours

>>533322071
Even in anti-gun shitholes like the UK, people who do agriculture own guns, you fucking retard.

Fruit walls can double as defensive structures. You're concern-trolling to prevent people from growing their own food through demoralization. You are a tool of the state.

>>533322020
Why are poltards so passive? Your solution to any issue is to run away from your problems
>Just prep bro
>Just become self-sufficient bro

You mostly notice this with new world Americans and Canadians. I think it might be a consequence of northern european genetics + american hyper-individualism
We live in a society and the way to win is to have the power to influence society. Living by yourself is a losing strategy.

>>533322484
Are you serious?

Do you really expect them to be dying in the frontlines of some stupid war because is what happened in your violent videogames?

>>533322484
Being "passive" would mean just doing what you're told by the government and being shuffled into the meat grinder, you pathetic retard.

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>>533322020
Based thread have a bump. Post some fuckin hens too

>>533322020
I would grow sonething with high calories. You can get vitamins etc from wild herbs, berries, mushrooms etc.

>>533322766
potatoes are a big winner. kale and other leafy greens are good on the other side of the equation

>>533322765
Chickens are adorable, but you should also consider ducks, geese and quail.

>>533322766
you need to grow livestock for high calories and vitamins

>>533322766
>>533322844
If caloric density is your concern, go with nuts.

Hazelnuts take only about 3 years to start producing large crops. A single tree can give you enough calories to survive an entire month on nothing but said nuts.

>>533322844
>potatoes
Exactly my thoughts. Cannabis would be good for relaxing/pain medication too.

>>533322933
good idea to plant those for sure

If your climate allows it, you might also want to consider olives.
There are olive trees thousands of years old that STILL produce fruit. Your great-great-great grandchildren could enjoy the literal fruits of your labour.

>>533322877
we've got chickens and ducks. id say go with chickens - you're getting eggs and meat from hens, and the meat birds will be ready in about 8 weeks or so. ducks are nice and you will get eggs, but for meat they kind of suck.

>>533322020
>Ruby Ridge

>>533323125
Try making duck confit. It's a preservation technique that actually IMPROVES the taste.

>>533323008
nice thing about kale is that it can keep through the winter too. i've gone out, dug through a couple feet of snow and harvested kale all winter. if you can do cabbage without too much hassle its also a great storage item.

>>533323177
just dont mess around with certain groups or firearm sales etc. you shouldn't have to avoid that kind of stuff but its easy enough to stay off government radar if you want to.

>>533323202
My cabbage and cauliflower plants always get eaten up by critters before I can get to them, but my kale doesn't give a shit and grows faster than any of us can eat it all. It also reseeds itself, so you only need to plant it once.

>>533322020
No thanks I like being a part of society

>>533323283
Growing food for yourself doesn't mean being completely isolated. In fact, it makes it a lot easier to make friends with your neighbours. Gifting them some fruits, veggies, nuts, meat, eggs or dairy helps them see you as more than just "the guy who lives across the street".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDmXR6pvCto

>>533323192
i dont mean the meat tastes bad or anything, just that i really dont find you get much, while they are way harder to pluck and clean than chickens. we did a couple last year for Christmas and they were such a pain in the ass to prepare and what you ended up with made me wonder if its worth it.
i know guys who shoot duck and most of the time they just cut the breasts out and leave the rest. wasteful i guess bit its obvious why they do it.

>>533323273
>My cabbage and cauliflower plants always get eaten up by critters
yeah they can require a bit more protection soemtimes for sure. ours were ok for a couple years and then some new pest (lays eggs and you end up with worms eating the head) took them all out. we've had to put fine mesh over them now to keep the flies off.

>>533323452
The meat is fattier, so more energy dense. After you get out the nice cuts of meat, you should turn the rest of the bird, bones included, into a nice, rich broth.

>>533323598
yeah i know all that anon. just saying that after trying both, chickens seem better in general. ducks are noisy messy fuckers too, which also matters to me.
if you live on a river or something then ducks would have a great time. id probably have more in that case.

>>533322484
the retards got brainwashed into thinking that violence=evil, it's why they think Christianity advocated be a cuck, when it's clearly stated the righteous fury is good and you should remove evil

>>533323895
I most likely own more guns than everyone else in this thread.

>>533323947
And? Collecting guns is a hobby.

>>533324207
>DON'T GROW YOUR OWN FOOD!
>DON'T BUY GUNS!
>JUST DO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU

Do different colour boot polishes taste different? You seem like an expert.

>>533322216
We have guns. I own several.

>>533324269
Good! I hope you bring your friends and family shooting to get them hooked.

>>533322484
because this is a siege where the only way we lose is if we give up. the land and the resources are there to use if you just try

>>533324344
Sure do.

As long as you're not mentally ill, a criminal and can prove you store them correctly. You tend to be fine.

I get the odd request to inspect how I store them, but never had any issues.

>>533324528
BASED. Keep it up, Anon.
The only way your gun laws will improve is by increasing the number of gun owners.

Here in Canada, the government is trying to grab our guns and >97% of licensed gun owners told them to go FUCK THEMSELVES.

>>533324266
When did I say that?
If the government comes to take your guns? You will give them up.
If the government comes and tells you that you need a license to produce food for safety reasons you will stop producing.

>>533324344
>>533324528
ownership is one thing, and of course it better to have them than not, especially if shtf etc. the legal right to use them defense of self and property is quite another, and thats what we lack that the americans still have.

we can only dream of things like constitutional carry, concealed carry etc, and everything that those things imply about the states view of the individuals rights.

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>>533322020
I love those old fashioned espalier walls. There used to be a huge labyrinth of those brick walls in the suburbs of Paris where they'd grow peaches.

>>533324665
>If the government comes to take your guns? You will give them up.
Except that current events prove you exactly wrong. >97% of us said NO and the police are saying they refuse to do the government's bidding because they KNOW they will die in the process.

>>533324672
Authorization To Carry already exists in Canadian law. We just need to push it to become shall-issue.

>>533322020
New additions for this year

> Sea Buckthorn bushes along the propriety line
> a 'hedge' of blueberries (duke, patriot, northland, chippewa, and jellybean) to protect the dogs from running into the thorny buckthrone
>moved my strawberries up from the ground to a trough 8 feet off the ground.
>added royality and gold raspberries to my existing ones.
> Kiowa blackberries (super thorny) that I run on top of the wooden fence as a natural barbed wire

Now i can get to work on the veggy garden. my asparagus is already fully erect and ready to bite off.

Next year I'll do apple trees espalier, maybe a plun or pear too.

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>>533322020
nice garden you got there, cracker
be a shame if something ooga booga'd to it

>>533324892
>Sea Buckthorn
Very nice. Those are extremely nutritious.
Have you tried arctic kiwis yet?
They're hairless and the skins are edible, so you can just toss the whole thing into your mouth like a grape.

>>533324776
>We just need to push it to become shall-issue.
i know its there anon, but its so incredibly restricted that it'll never change. THEN, if it did, the entire way that self defense is regarded would need to change too, because even IF you were granted the ability to carry a weapon around, you'd need to allowed to carry it for the reason of shooting human attackers.
right now you cant anything anything at all for that purpose without committing a crime.

as for defending property, forget it. criminal lives matter more.

that what i mean by 'the way the state views your rights'. the whole thing needs to be turned on its head.

>>533325016
>Have you tried arctic kiwis yet?
actually yeah we've got several of those going. been in a couple y ears and they are climbing nicely. hoping they will produce well this year

>>533325153
Fingers crossed!

>>533325016
>arctic kiwis
are those the small ones that look like grapes? Not tried them yet.

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>>533325283
Yes.
There are two main types.
There's the actinidia arguta and the actinidia kolomitka. The arguta can be self-fertile, but will still produce much more if you have both male and female plants present. A good rule of thumb is an 8:1 ratio between female:male.

>>533325283
>>533325016
opps maybe i should read the full sentence.

They climb, eh? maybe i can run them on the top of my berry cage and have them hang down. hmm so many options.

>>533322484
This is a bot post. It boggles the mind that people haven't learned to recognize such obvious bots

>>533325398
If you're tight on space, what you can do is first plant some sort of fruit/nut tree, then plant a vine at the base to climb up the tree and then plant some bushes that fill up the space under the canopy. Three crops in one spot.

>>533325269
had some last year. they are pretty cute little fruit for sure.

>will still produce much more if you have both male and female plants present
yeah thats the thing. best to plant them together

>>533325398
Kiwi vines are like 40 foot long, anon. They are very cold tolerant though. (able to withstand temperatures as low as -30F)

>>533325476
I don't have any nut trees. I ripped out some nasty juniper bush, that gave me a rash every time i cut the grass, and was going to put some hazelnut bushes there.

Maybe I mix them with the apple trees next year. or thread it with the kiowa for hard mode lmao

>>533325624
Hmm, that gives me some ideas

>>533325743
Apples are a pain in the ass, to be honest. The only way to guarantee you get a palatable variety is through grafting because they have what are called "chance seeds". The seeds do not grow to be the same as the parents. Each one is a little lottery ticket that takes years to find out the result.

The plum family is a better option for growing at home (plums, cherries, apricots, almonds and all the hybrids thereof).

>>533326118
buying in from a good nursery isnt expensive and you get a decent sized thing to plant right away.

>>533324672
Agreed.

>>533326185
Sure, though keep in mind they only produce fruit for a certain number of years.

If you're REALLY tight on space, you can actually get trees with multiple different varieties grafted.

And on the bright side, even if the apples aren't super tasty on their own, even sour/mealy apples make good cider.

>>533326338
>Sure, though keep in mind they only produce fruit for a certain number of years.
? you thinking of the spindle/super spindles there? we bought regular long lived types. there are some on the property that are over 50 years old and, although they are falling apart, still produce fine. fine gradually pruning the poor old things back to get rid of the old dead/dying wood. apples trees appear to be rather like weeds in their ability to grow back.

also, we must have several dozen wild sown apple trees between the ages of maybe 5-15 years out of which maybe 8 have proven to be making good tasting fruit, and those are pruning into shape nicely too. you can often tell which taste best simply by how often the deer and moose trim those off lol. its those bastards that have put our nursery bought trees back several seasons by nipping off growing tips etc.

>>533324672
Rights are not gifts from government employees.
Rights are endowed by the creator, God.

>>533326621
i agree with that 100%. the pity is that the entire commonwealth and the UK do not. be thankful for your revolution.

>>533326338
I've been giving serious thought about dedicating some of my greenhouse to growing citrus. I believe I can keep it warm enough, but the sunlight would be a challenge in the winter time. Although, there are commercial citrus farmers in my area. It seems like a cost sink, but boy do I ever want a fresh orange right off the tree.

>>533326608
I grew up in apple country. The ones that have been around the longest have started switching to grape vines as the apples stop producing.

>>533326733
You can actually grow citrus in Canada with passive solar. This design is really simple and achievable on a budget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk

I would recommend growing some kumquats. You actually eat the whole fruit. The middle is sour and the skins are sweet. It's a neat fruit.

>>533326118
That is why i was thinking espalier like your OP image. Just not against a wall, more like horizontal lines for raspberries. I could prob fit 4 trees in this stretch. Stone fruit is preferred but apples are just so Canadian I fell like I should have them, and grapes.

>>533327054
Speaking of Canadian classics that often get overlooked, have you tried spruce beer? Vitamin C megadose in a bottle.

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>>533326872
ya I made these lower walls in my greenhouse last year and they work work really well for keeping heat in the greenhouse. The metal heats up cement board and causes convection. fully vented but only allows warm air to enter. the cold zone near the crops in almost gone. At 36 inches tall it is not really blocking much light.

>>533327168
Never heard of that either. I want to try haskop but it looks like an uncot cock to me

>>533327468
Haskap is amazing. Easily one of my fav berries. Strong recommend. Saskatoons are also really worth growing.