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Why have U.S. stock markets risen so high?
The ceasefire is set to end in a few days; if the war resumes, the Strait of Hormuz will be closed again.
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>>533329614
Nothing has changed on the ground and no real agreement has been made. No more traffic is going through the hormussy. The markets are not rational. Trump just wants line to go up so he's spent today posting optimistic bullshit on Truth Media.
There are thousands of troops in the region, they aren't there for a holiday, and they've only got a month before the summer sets in. Expect real shit to go down shortly.
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a confluence of factors, including:
>US trade deficit flooding the world with useless dollars, can't really buy anything else with them except stocks
>US economy broadly diverged from commodity-sensitive industries over time
>top 40% of total US marketcap basically owns the government, hardly any opposition apparent on the horizon
>some fiats are actively collapsing regardless, japan and india mostly, and only the US market has enough liquidity for them to exit into
Etc.
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>hormussy
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>>533329614
Because if America actually hammers out a favorable deal despite memes and such posted here it does put America in a very strong position. There's a lot of long term stability that could be seeded in the world of the petrodollar and geopolitics.
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>>533329614
>added 4.5 trillion
I hate this market cap lying shit
>>533329703
>To liquidate the shorters and to bait longs. Jewish tricks as usual.
this, this is a bull trap
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>>533329614
They pump before the war starts so they can short it when it heats back up. Sell at the top, short it, buy when it drops. Repeat.
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>>533329614
Yeah there’s a lot of weird shit going on with the market. I dont understand it one bit. Maybe >>533329764 is right. The only other plausible explanation is >>533329969 but I don’t think that’s pump the US markets this hard. We swung wildly to an ATH, which makes absolutely zero sense given the strain on the world economy. You’d expect it to flatline or rise back up to 5% under the previous ATH. I actually sold at barely a gain through all of this which leaves me scratching my head. The US markets should have tanked FAR worse than this which is what happened last year!
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>>533329817
Doubtful. Iran knows they don't stand a chance and they are cucking. The ceasefire made the adrenaline wear off and pain apparent and now they can see the severity of the situation and make smarter decisions.
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>>533330441
>Basically, if you had $1 million, what would you do with it?
Buy physical gold.
Gold is money; paper money is just paper.
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>>533330542
The financial Empire is failing in the standard way. First the peripheral economies and their currency weaken. The smart money in those places rushes to the center of the Empire, which boosts the currency/markets there. That is the USA. This lasts for a couple of years until the center of the Empire itself topples.
The most important thing to understand is that while the US financial empire is huge it is not global and does not have total control. Other regions will do fine. Your level of exposure to the US is inversely correlated to how well you will do over the next couple of years.
For Americans, ride the wave up for now. When the moment nears for the USD it will be easy to see from a mile away and you can exit then. Bitcoin is the strongest alternative because it has no centralized monetary policy that can be altered and is easy to transact with and move across borders. This is especially important to consider if you are in the Eurozone because capital controls are almost certain there, and probably quite soon.
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>>533329614
The markets should be way higher than this because AI is actually insane and boosting productivity beyond human limits. Imagine what happens when all the software companies simply make their own AI and then the cybersecurity companies do.
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>>533330520
>if you have a lick of brains it is mostly in Bitcoin
Bitcoin has its own issues. The point is, if inflation is increasing, you definitely don't want to sit on your cash, and every other market is in worse shape. America at least is energy-independent and relatively safe.
>>533330685
>Buy physical gold.
Gold is a safe pick because it is generally a hedge against inflation, but it is not something with much growth potential. Basically, not something day traders can make money from.
Moreover, as the only saying goes in investing, "Buy on a rumor, sell on the news". Gold as already pumped in the leadup to the war. So it isn't as attractive now.
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>>533330685
>Gold
This is basically the right idea. There is also Bitcoin which has a few advantages over Gold but more or less functions in the same way. This will become more apparent over the next couple of years. If you need to move a lot of money quickly Bitcoin is the best option in the world.
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>>533330972
>Bitcoin has its own issues
Only in the imaginations of people who don't understand how it works.
America won't "collapse" even if the financial system and USD does. It's a rich state with a lot of resources and will be fine. The question is how to navigate the turbulent transitional period. Key is anticipating the causes of the current decline because those will be what drives decisions about the replacement system that is implemented. Sanctions and inflationary monetary policy are the big ones and that is why Bitcoin is in a strong future position.
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I can afford a share in RocketLab, BlackSky, Intuitive, and AST SpaceMobile. I am looking for a space is the place portfolio that will take me to the Moon in 2028. Please do not threaten the national security of America while I am aiming to become an astromillionaire within a decade. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
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>>533330520
If you invested $1M in bitcoin 5 years ago you would have $1,284,900 today.
If you invested $1M in S&P 500 ETF's 5 years ago you would have $1,707,300 today.
If you invested $1M in MSCI World ETF's 5 years ago you would have $1,730,100 today.
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>>533331143
>nowhere better to park their money
Real Estate typically soaks up a lot of this free-roaming cash but that is a bad play with the current interest rates and general market conditions. This is most likely the main reason you are seeing stocks go up. Do not underestimate the political factors around real estate either. It is has become a much riskier investment in coastal US regions as the commie retards increasingly seek to loot the wealth of white people.
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>>533329614
BRICS XISTERS ITS OVER
HERE COMES DOW 50K AGAIN
LEFTYPOL LOST COMMIES LOST SHAREBLUE LOST
DISCORD TRANNYS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>533331301
Typical of a Dutch flag to have an extremely jewish post. First off all past performance does not predict future performance. Second you are talking about speculative trading and have chosen relatively arbitrary dates. Your numbers are basically meaningless and without context.
Your biggest issue is denominating all in USD. This is going to be a rough transition for your ilk.
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>>533331007
It’s okay. I buy gold as a form of savings.
Now that Chinese banks have cut interest rates, you barely earn any interest on money deposited in the bank.
So I’ve decided to buy gold bars instead.
If necessary, I can even use the small gold bars to buy things directly. They also make great gifts.
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Stock buybacks, insider trading and manipulation by the administration. The economy "bounced back" however the rich are richer but the people are poorer with many foreclosed and bankrupt and money siphoned. The damage has been done.
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>>533331204
BTC still has some inherent risks. It's not based on anything, most people don't really understand crypto or trust it, and it's already been pumped so many times. The plus-side is that it is international, largely unsanctionable, and there are some institutional investors with holdings.
>America won't "collapse" even if the financial system and USD does.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
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>>533331494
Yes, chinese companies listed in hong kong and on a few islands do raise foreign capital. But that's only a fraction of the chinese economy. Furthermore, the chinese central bank completely avoids foreign money. That's precisely why the jews have no gateway into china.
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>>533329614
>Grug caveman
>Grug's little cave village agree to use unique rock as means of exchange since barter inconvenient
>Work great, everyone get what want and need. Prices in little rocks go down as grug village get better at making things
>Grug happy
>Grugberg come to village. Grug not like but grug woman sympathetic to all losers and failures and grug like woman
>Grugberg have evil magic that can make more rocks whenever grugberg wants.
>Grugberg make many rocks, buy all things in village
>rocks technically worth less with each new rock, but Grug bad at Grugberg magic and not understand this
>"Why everything more expensive?"
>Grugberg say: it the poor, it the rich, it different grug from other grug village
>Grug mad, goes and kills grugbergs enemies and competitors.
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>>533331663
>It's not based on anything,
see: >>533331204
>Only in the imaginations of people who don't understand how it works.
America will actually collapse but that will be over internal political/cultural issues. The "collapse" will be a period of infighting - already begun. Even still things will hum along fairly easily day-to-day. Americans aren't going to starve.
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>>533330520
>mostly in Bitcoin
lol may as put it in a big pile and burn it.
bitcoin is nothing more than an energy sink, a token representing untold trillions of hash operation. at least invest in something tangible.
>b-but muh time machine.
if you bought it a year ago you'd be fucked. it's easy to play the numbers in hindsight.
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really kicking myself for not scooping up a bunch of TQQQ when it dipped to $38. i even told myself to buy a bunch when I got home last week and forgot.
would have made an additional ~$10k or so just in the last couple days.
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>>533331979
>if you bought it a year ago you'd be fucked. it's easy to play the numbers in hindsight.
You are caught up in a jewish investment greed mindset. The point isn't to gamble on short-term trades the point is how to hang onto your money through the tumult. Those short-term trades and that entire set of rules around it that you are accustomed to are being shut down. This is why so many within the system cannot correctly anticipate the near-term future.
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>>533331427
I was being generous because 1Y or YTD Bitcoin is in the red whereas S7P 500 and World index are both positive.
Crypto really has had its day, the new hype is AI.
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>>533331869
>It's in deposits not companies. Hong Kong has a special system separate from the rest of China, which you should know
What are you talking about? Chinese companies listed in hong kong or bermuda for example aren't really any different from those listed in london.
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>>533331394
>All that money simply has no alternative.
The problem is that this is a ticking time bomb.
It’s only a matter of time before the stock market crashes, and it’s also only a matter of time before these excess dollars lose their value.
Hyperinflation is about to hit.
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>>533329614
My guess is that it's just money following the money. The war would have saw a lot of money move into oil futures and oil in general, and as the war is dying down, the money moves from oil into the conventional areas of investment. It never sits in cash because cash is worthless.
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>>533331830
The problem with America is.. 1) Everyone hates each other. 2) We have 100 million spics.
When the dollar collapses, the financial system collapses, assets collapse, our buying power collapses, everyone becomes poor, and that will create conflict between groups, and lead to calls for separation.
My position for several years now is that when things get bad, Mexico will use the spic diaspora to break off the Hispanic-majority areas of the United States where Mexico has a territorial claim(see Aztlan). Mexico will be supported by China, and really the entire world because everyone hates us. If America loses the Permian Basin alone we cease to be a superpower.
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>>533331785
We've been completely open to foreign capital for a long time, but we're still less affected than the rest because we have so much domestic capital that the returns are too low to be attractive to foreign investors. Fuck, most of our rental properties have a yield close to 0%.
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>>533332360
Hang Seng index hasn't made any major outlying move since February. The money that fled Dubai was CASH. It is now CASH, just in Hong Kong deposit accounts instead of Emirati ones.
This is noteworthy because the money did not go into US Treasury accounts.
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>>533332439
It crashed in 2008, and practically without any survivors. Since then, the west has lived off printing money and clinging to hope. Oh, and of course, tons of immigration. The next crash will be so devastating that we will descend into absolute chaos.
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>>533332484
It's just cash that was in stocks a few months ago going back into stocks. When things got dicey and uncertain some people sold into cash to avoid market volatility. Now that the certainty has reduced they are putting the cash back into stocks. It's not that complicated.
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>>533329614
>Gas too expensive
>Digital services go up
>Physical storefronts go down
Woooaahh, just like Covid.
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>>533332539
>everyone becomes poor
This is what will save America, unironically. Note that being poor in America is a pretty good situation for an American. most of the foreigners are leeches and will leave when the money stops flowing to them.
Your analysis on the Mexico question is entirely plausible. There is an important factor that libtards don't usually understand which is that the higher quality spic population is against this and more loyal to America than their retarded cousins from the village. You can't group the spic population so easily. This error will be the downfall of the libtard faction.
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>>533332720
That can then be nothing more than a hedge. Significant amounts of money only flow where they have investment opportunities. And at the moment, there is no alternative to the USA. Especially since china, as already mentioned, doesn't want to be bought up with dollars to which they assign no value.
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>>533332782
>The next crash will be so devastating that we will descend into absolute chaos.
I agree.
That’s also why I became obsessed with gold.
I’m very worried about the next financial crisis.
When that time comes, gold will be the only currency.
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>>533332811
>nigger i've been hearing this for 35 years, just stop
Instead of listening to what you hear try applying logical analysis. The American state is only being held together by cheap money right now. This was not true in the 1990's, for example. Once the cheap money goes away it is easy to anticipate internal rifts in American getting out of hand. This is because greedy people will attempt to seize what is not theirs. Many such cases.
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>>533333001
>higher quality spic population is against this and more loyal to America than their retarded cousins from the village.
No spic is loyal to America. Rich spics only pretend to be loyal because they don't want to piss off their customers/benefactors. Rich people in general are the most disloyal of all.
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>>533333045
>Significant amounts of money only flow where they have investment opportunities
What economics textbook are you quoting? This is stupid as fuck. You are not equipped for the situation we are entering in terms of financial adjustment.
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>>533329614
The stock market is based on companies that profit from their own buybacks, crypto, asset manipulation, etc. Number always goes up because it has nothing to do with reality anymore. Trump is also constantly manipulating the market with mix of idle threats followed by fake peace talks, and these events always happen to occur in reaction to changes in the market versus the actual war and chances of peace.
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>>533333318
>No spic is loyal to America
Again, you are wrong as a typical liberal always is (you area liberal, if that wasn't clear already). You're right about the disloyalty of rich people but I didn't say the rich spics were the loyal ones.
Failure to understand the outside world and its people is the main reason for America's present predicament. Until you start listening to people who correct this you will keep losing.
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>>533333408
You combine an absolute lack of economic understanding with the american arrogance of always being right. What can I say to that? You've won.
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>>533333534
You're clearly delusional if you think spics are going to save America(Nick Fuentes aside).
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>>533333905
Here's what I said:
> There is an important factor that libtards don't usually understand which is that the higher quality spic population is against this and more loyal to America than their retarded cousins from the village. You can't group the spic population so easily. This error will be the downfall of the libtard faction.
I understand that reading comprehension is no longer a thing taught in the schools but you seem to misunderstand the point I am making. Let me rephrase:
Spics won't for FOR America, they simply won't fight AGAINST America. And the factions who wish to win AGAINST America need their involvement or they cannot accomplish their goals. As a result they will fail.
You are also confounding 'high quality' and rich, which is very jewish. Are you a jew?
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>>533334235
>Spics won't for FOR America, they simply won't fight AGAINST America.
No, retard. They'll fight for whichever side benefits them the most. Thus, to the extent they are loyal to America is to the extent they know being American has more value than being something else. If America becomes poor and destabilized after the dollar collapses, this calculation will almost certainly change.
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>>533334384
You fail to consider that spics are lazy and would prefer not to fight at all. Again, back to my original point that if you don't have sufficient knowledge of outside peoples you can't correctly anticipate their behavior.
The important thing is that the "100 million spics in the US" are not an army here to conquer. If these were Arabs I'd say otherwise.
Some of those spics would like to reconquista, but that is mostly a meme among second generation ones struggling to compete against Americans directly in ways their parents did not have to (as proper foreigners).
Leftist white people (and their jewish leaders) are your biggest threat for instability in the United States. They will try to rope various ethnic groups in to support them and fight on their behalf, but this will not go as well as they are expecting. No one said leftoids were smart or good at predicting outcomes, however.
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>>533329703
>To liquidate the shorters and to bait longs. Jewish tricks as usual.
FPBP
The modern market, which normies and most of /pol/ and /smg/ still haven't figured out, is just a vehicle to vacuum up retail money by manipulating the market to do the opposite of what it should do based on fundamentals or crisis. The bear or bull trap happens over a week or so, then they rug it over a couple months to do the opposite and liquidate everyone.
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>>533334869
normie money isn't moving in and out on short term basis. That is amateur investor money and like sports app gamblers they deserve little sympathy. normie money moves out of assets into "safe" cash when extreme risk due to UNCERTAINTY enters. Threatening nukes and world war are about as uncertain as it gets. The normie money moving back into assets suggests that the uncertainty has diminshed, which is true if you can read or think or whatever.
That the US won or lost is less important than the situation becoming more predictable and calm. Markets wan't stability and in times of instability people feel safer in cash.
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>>533335031
>GDP
Shekels per Goy doesn't mean anything and unemployment does not correlate to productivity.
Those data can tell you how market lemmings might react but they will not tell you anything useful about your actual economy.
That said I do not think actual productivity is skyrocketing.
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>>533329614
a better question brownoids should be asking is why trying to hold hormuz hostage barely affected the market
the answer is, you're mostly important to china and india, not the US
>didn't sink one surface ship
>didn't manage one flashy terroist attack on US Soil
exposed as a paper tiger, bachi bazi faggots
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>>533329614
the economy is one giant circlejerk.
why doesn't anyone care?
the fucking shoe company Allbirds announced they're pivoting towards being an AI company and their stocks jumped by 400%.
this ain't right. You just can't print money like that out of thin air.
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>>533335236
The Iranians performed a hostile takeover of the Straight. Someone has to be in charge and it used to be the Amerifats, now it is the Persians. Their goal wasn't to crash the global economy they justed wanted America to fuck off and leave them alone. it appears that they have achieved this goal.
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>>533332811
35 years is nothing in terms of governments and empires. Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it will never happen. Once it finally does happen the last 35 years will be seen as the writing on the wall in retrospect. Collapses happen over hundreds of years not tens, most likely it'll take 100+ years before there is a collapse. Things tend to trickle along at a snails pace steadily up until the moment they finally don't
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>>533329614
So they just returned money from Israel? This Is to trick you bad, take In count that when trillions of dollars where transfered to a Israel everything went down, Lets see what happens when the ceasefire ends.
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>>533334600
>will try to rope various ethnic groups in to support them and fight on their behalf, but this will not go as well as they are expecting
Lmao, you can say that again. I will pay with my own blood to see the look on a commiefornia leftist agitator's face when Cletus and Tyrone, OF ALL PEOPLE, join forces and absolutely annihilate him.
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>>533330607
>The ceasefire made the adrenaline wear off and pain apparent and now they can see the severity of the situation and make smarter decisions.
Do you see any evidence Trump is making smarter decisions?
All the military strategists and middle east experts are still sidelined.
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>>533345879
if you’re a regular person you should only try to time your buys rather than your sells
it’s very obvious when to buy, less so when to sell. the latter is manipulated heavily by insider information you don’t have
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>>533329614
It's not just the US stock market the Australian market is also up and they actually depend on material passing through the straight. This means that jews believe Donald has the situation handled and probably more important than the actual straight is the fact Israel is no longer under threat thank's to his resolve. You've gotta remember all those green tickers in your pic are jewish first and American second. Actually their more like jewish first, globalists second, and American distant third but that's getting off topic.