>>533339649

UBI will fail for the same reason student loans failed and resulted in ballooning costs for college. If you give everybody more money prices of everything will go up to soak up all the new money.

>tariff dividend
LMAO I'm still waiting on my DOGE stimulus check

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>>533339649
>why
why did people mask up and clotshot themselves up? same reason.
see cipolla's laws of stupidity, it'll explain a lot.

>people will always want more
>resources are finite

UBI can only work if you kill 90% of the world population.

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>>533339649
> what is run away inflation

>>533339789
that's because you're an NPC with no concept of the 4th dimension

>>533339785
nice mental gymnastics.
do another!
do another!

>>533339649
>Why are people against it?
UBI is a nice word for breadlines, and if you think minimum wage is bad just wait for UBI

>>533339828
/pol/fags on the bottom left

unemployment is like 4%. nobody is getting ubi anytime soon lol (ever)

>>533339905
bottom left is about 99% of all people

>>533339649
why would anyone pay you just for existing?

did that ever happen in any time in history?

>>533339649
UBI is a method to pacify people until robots and cameras are everywhere. You either can threaten violence or you do not, then your resources get taken away.
Pay us taxes or else we throw you into a small room for years, because we have guns. They play this game at the edge of revolution. That edge is going to move a lot.

>>533339649
Yes. I'm sure they'll start sharing the spoils with the goyim any day now. Remember to keep vooting.

>>533339649
UBI is just another name for EBT.

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It's more efficient just to lower the population

>>533339894
>evasive retardation answer

Show us the cost of tuition before excessive government loan programs vs after.

>>533339649
>proposed
>proposed
>proposed
Yet I haven't seen a dime yet. I'll believe it when the check gets deposited into my account. Until then
>2 more weeks until AI takes over everything and we all get free money for nothing

UBI makes no sense with full AI machines automation

What do AI machines need money for? Duh think about it

Just press a button and get your thing... Machine decides if you deserve it.

>>533340009
yay!
such an obedient bitch.
go again!

>>533339897
Is giving fake jobs and welfare to everyone besides straight White men going to cause breadlines too? Its the exact same thing except that White men are cut out.

>>533339649
The western world runs on hate exclusively.
So the people will fight tooth and nail to prevent UBI from happening.
Can't have base equality!
>I'm not rich myself but I will gladly suffer if it means the poor keep on getting poorer

>>533339649
Two more weeks you guys! UBI, robowaifus, goynip legalized, artificial wombs, no work, all the goyslop you want delivered to your door. Just two more weeks. Don't worry about doing anything, we got you.

>>533340022
money is never free
remember in 2020 after the trump checks the economy crashed worse than 2008

>>533339649
It's the mark of the beast and will come at the cost of your immortal soul.

>>533339860
Or maybe it's because Trump promises checks and they never come.

>>533340128
>economy crashed worse than 2008
retard

>>533339649
Two more weeks.

Well that settles it, let me put in my weeks notice at my job since I won't be needing it anymore

>>533339649
>sure, let's all depend on the nanny welfare state, for sure the governments could and should be trusted. After all, it's like they never fucked us over in the past and love all of us inconditionally.

These people should all be put in a rusty rocket and shot straight to the sun.

>>533339649
It will never happen in the US, at least not in our lifetimes. The US system is too fundamentally broken and locked into spiraling regression towards feudalism to even allow the smallest of reforms.

>>533339828
Me top left

>>533340182
Yeah, like I said, you NPCs have no ability to process nuance and 4th dimension. fuck off.

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>>533339649
>Why are people against it?
Why would I want just "basic" income? I demand universal a shitload of income. Just give us all a million dollars a day and then we can all have beach houses in Miami or Nantucket and collect supercars and shit.
You third worlders set the bar way the fuck low, don't you?

>>533339649
>why would people not like anti-White and anti-male globohomos to control our livelihoods and make choices for us that hurt us

a mystery, it is

>>533340338
Oh the doge stimmy checks were a ruse? Okay what about those tariff dividend checks from last year?

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>>533339649
WHY IS THIS FUCKING DISGUSTING JEET SPAMMING THE BOARD WITH THE SAME FUCKING THREAD

>sage
IN ALL FIELDS

>>533339649
This will cause massive inflation, so all the money I've been saving will be worthless. Wouldn't it just be easier to kill anyone who proposes UBI? They're just doing it to put the white man on the dole while they import millions of jeets.

>>533340144
Impossible.

The US is an interesting system.

1. give welfare to a third of the population
2. be unable to afford it, so print infinite money
3. bring over indians to replace the jobs of those not on welfare so they are also on welfare
4. raise debt ceiling and print even more money

>>533339649
*UHI

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elon paid $200 million to create DOGE so he could gut numerous government agencies that exist to help us peasants struggle in the nightmare world people like him have made.
He, like every other billionaire, literally wants us dead because the planet belongs to him.

universal credit already exists in the uk
if you have no job, you get a basic income
the more you work, the more the basic income reduces until, at a certain threshold, you receive no income
your basic income raises dependent on various personal factors such as whether you have a disability, what level of disability you have, how old you are
there's nothing to be scared of

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>>533339649
You get killed, soon

>>533339649
all of these guys have an annoying habit of just telling groups of people what they want to hear (They're relentless liars)

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>>533339649
will they still give ubi to antisemites and to hatespeech extremists ?
will they give the same to anyone or to some more ?
the answer to these questions is your why

>>533339649
Because it doesn't work. You can't have 30% of your population not working while also collecting enough income to sustain the same lifestyle as someone who is working.

>>533340423
>This will cause massive inflation
It will also cause you hoohah to fallout and your asshole become filled with bbc.

>>533340429
If you haven’t figured out it’s been a controlled implosion for decades to lower the cost American workers in general cost to employ vs other countries and systems yet, you’re NGMI.
We’re being impoverished so that manufacturing and production can actually happen here again, in a competitive way vs countries like China and India.
It takes time, but resetting how global energy trade (like oil) takes place is a big aspect of that.
China’s insane development over the last 50 years was really only possible because of endless cheap energy from the Middle East. For a bunch of reasons those days are over.

>>533340437

does it pay enough to have your own flat?

UBI does not make sense in any universe, where does the money come from ? right now you have to sell your time, which means you work and you get paid, neets get their benefits thanks to taxes taken from people who work, UBI money, where does that come from ? it doesnt make any sense, you cant just print money out of thin air
>inb4 muh fiat printer goes brrrr
yes it goes brr, but it has its limits and it is not as simple as going brrrr and rich get richer

>>533339857
not real? When more jobs can be automated there will be an abundance of services and resources. The fuck we gonna do about that? Just not give it to people?

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Ubi means slavery for the working class and within a short amount of time they will also quit working. Then who's gonna fix your shit and make you meals and grow your food? Nobody will and you will starve because Ubi faggots don't have the ability to perform even basic functions needed to survive. Ubi will usher mass starvation and mass murder of all worthless scum who think they need paid for breathing. Kys niggers, accelerate

>>533339649
UBI is like paper towel math. How can you have 2 = 6 for example?
If you decrease the input and increase the output, what happens?

>>533339649
May I see any of those things? Like in my hand?

>>533339894
Yes. No one would ever raise prices on things to benefit themselves.

>>533339649
the purpose of this is to maintain the states legitimacy even though it is fully captured by the elite and serves the elite foremost.

no ubi, dividends or stimmys are going to happen.

you will be killed off in war, famine and disease before the elite would even consider ameliorating the material conditions of western people.

you are the tax cattle for the government to collect and redistribute to people like elon musk, where he got most of his money.

once ai and automation scale to a point where the worker is no longer needed, you be left on the streets to starve to death or tare the throat out of you fellow man in order to survive.


answer me this: when the fuck have the elite ever cared about implementing policy which benefits the average worker and not just further consolidates power within the hands of the elite?

because not in my lifetime have I ever observed this.

>>533340733
Cars are automated. Where's my free car?

>>533340762
What about when AI has other machines have taken over most of the input? I say let the AI and the brown slaves work for us.

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>>533340692
>where does the money come from ?
From rich people.
>>533340744
>Ubi means slavery for the working class
That's why we need universal shitload of income then we can all be filthy stinking rich and nobody has to work.

>>533339649
let's just disconnect labor from currency and tie it to a meaningless credit system where the money is not real and therefore everything you do has no value. what could go wrong? UBI is not the answer. outlawing usury and maintaining a reliable bottom for people to fall on for a reset when legitimately needed is the answer.

>>533341169
You have the mind of a 5 year old child.

>>533339649
Jews told everyone it was antisemitic.

>>533339649
It won't happen until they hit all rich companies with massive taxes to fund it.

>>533341256
To be fair, there are only about a thousand actual humans on the planet. Everyone else is brown or retarded.

Along with UBI will come CBDCs and 24/7 AI surveillance and social credit scores. If you do anything the government does not like you lose your income and the ability to use money at all because cash no longer exists. For this to work, they will also have to reduce the population by about 90% through wars, famine and disease. So chances are you won't live to see it but if you do then you will own nothing and be happy (or else).

>>533339649
Tired of writing. When are the checks shipping?

>>533340805
yang gang are true believers, impenetrable to reason

>>533339785
Did you know that all CIA agents go to Hell when they die specifically because of their backing of reaganomics? Cool interesting facts about the afterlife.

Neoliberalism is cancer.

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i cant wait to see every nigger or woman walking around with nothing to do and 10k per month
i'm sure everything will be fine and everyone will pay the robot at the checking and not walk right by it and everyone will return the shopping cart
finally, utopia

>>533339649
This is still capitalism as there's still competition. Kill off all the shitskins = receive higher dividends.

>>533339976
werks for me

>>533340424
The Bible does not lie.

>>533339649
UBI is inevitable and so is the mass culling of plebs. Why would the elites need 98% of humanity when robots and such will do the work. They’ll keep a few engineers alive to keep the gears working but the rest is not needed.

>>533341169
rich people dont have money, they dont have millions billions sitting in their bank accounts, these are all in assets and debt, rich people are literally in debt and generating new loans based on existing assets

>>533339649

There is opposition towards AI and automation. This is their way just to gain more support, because they believe that some people are stupid enough to belief their bullshit. They totally are not interested in giving any UBI.

> What? You are against AI? That means you are against UBI!

>>533341784
I'm OK with this.
Should've happened naturally during the rona already but nature was too weak.

>>533339649
JUST TAKE AWAY COMPANIES PROFIT TO FUND THE UBI

PROFIT SHOULD BE SPLIT INTO FUNDING FOR THE UBI, REINVESTMENT AND PAYING THE WORKERS WAGES

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>>533339894
Oh look, a non-creator Keynesian Hylic faggot who needs MUH GIBS. Good goy, prove that you're the worthless mouth breather they believe you to be.

>>533341784
>They’ll keep a few engineers alive
No human will be able to understand the machines invented in 2050.

>>533341887
Is this a serious post?

>>533340858
Who's going to buy the car when no one has a job fuckface?

>>533341859
Nobody says this. Your reddit flag, opinion, and spacing are worthless here.

>>533339649
Because whites will get poverty level amounts, with deductions for being white, whilst non-whites get unlimited buxx

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>>533339649
>yeah bro the government is just gonna pay the entire population to sit around
Dumbass they're going to kill everyone they don't need, then "save" the survivors and enslave them to the new system.

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>>533339649
kek at goyim cattle thinking this will happen any time soon or ever

https://youtu.be/--UntiMg1SI?t=669

These boomers have been sold the awakening and NESARA/GESARA lie since the 90's. They all thought they would become millionaires overnight and the ascended masters would descend upon the world stage and arrest the Bush/Cheney cabinet. None of that happened and they are either dead by now or dying. Never saw the millions, never saw the "prosperity programs". They even sent money via snail mail to be part of the Great Awakening grift.

>>533339649
Kikes are going to give goys free anything. Gentiles are getting bugs, pods, noahide laws, and guillotines.

>>533342068
what makes it even funnier is that chuds voted for it

I have been on and off a very low income for many, many years... And changed several industries. People are happy because it will eventually be used to control everything about people. I've changed things some of you will have heard about and I cannot even afford the deposit on a flat. It will be needed but people will still need other forms of income because there will be an underclass whose lives never change. You do things, fix things, solve problems and you think your life will improve but it won't. You'll be in the same house, every penny micromanaged by big corps, what food you buy will be pretty much dictated. Yeah you'll also have free time but what you do with that time will be dependent on whoever is controlling the flow of money. The best thing about capitalism is it incentivises people to do things on the basis it will improve their life or standing. My life's got worse and people come to me with problems I cannot afford to fix or things I don't have the time to do. And because certain circles know everything about me, often they know how to get it for free or next to nothing. So go into stem, learn AI and start a company before it's too late fellas.

>>533341986
Cheap rental robotaxis owned by the AI owners. Luxury cars for the AI owners to own. The car industry will contract a lot. I told them ten years ago to get into making automation asap, but because they are all retarded Germans, they did not. Now they rent the robots from the AI owners.

>>533339894
The deep state doesn’t want you to know this but supply and demand are not real. You can increase demand on finite supply and prices will stay the same if you ask nicely

>>533340655
I love these classic threads and anons like you.

>>533339649
>Automation and AI is taking over.
It's going to be funny watching these immigrants that brag about replacing Whites get replaced themselves.

>>533339840
Some truth to this. The machines can produce lots of shit, but then the machines also need vast supply chains to stay operational, even some apparently useless eaters that are very peripheral to the whole operation, yet their presence is still a necessary contribution or inevitable consequence of keeping all those moving parts in action. More complex than it looks on the surface. There's some %, but who knows if it's 90, 99, or just 10-15.

>>533339649
Ubi is a good thing for everyone.

>>533339976
Who will pay into the economy and make the rich richer if people have no money?

inflation, duh

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>>533342180
It's like memeing Morbius back into theaters a second time: force their hand and make them too cocky to see what's happening.

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>>533339649
Did you post this anti-Semitic meme on 4chan, you are now de-banked and your UBI canceled.

>>533339649
Even Karl Marx was against in in Gotha Critique Letter. If you do not work you shall not eat.

>>533339649
The problem are the trash jobs that aren't worth automating but have to be done so society doesn't grind to a halt. If people get UBI they are even less likely to do them.

>>533341784
You misunderstand the point of money and power.
You need money to have power over people.
You need power to have control over people.
Think about how many old as fuck billionaires are still trying to get richer despite having more money than they could ever spend in their remaining life. It's not about having money to buy nice things but to have power over people and impose your will and politics on them. This is why they are so obsessed with migration, growing markets and, in Elon's case, birthrates.

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>>533339649
The only problem with socialism is when you run out of other people's money.

>>533342245
You don't get into STEM to start a company. Sam Altman does not understand his company's product, Alex Karp is a philosopher and lawyer by profession. A company is 100% contacts to finance and market something. For the genius hard work, you hire some slaves.

> We were impressed by the fact that Goldhagen included all Germans in the discussion of crime and guilt. Of course, Goldhagen's book also has significant weaknesses. Some historians were highly critical of it at the time. But there was a certain fascination with the fact that Goldhagen attributed to all Germans the willingness to exterminate the Jews.
> This thesis deeply impressed people of Jewish descent and also interested, not to say attracted, Alexander [Karp].

>>533342499
It's called the machine economy. Machines pay each other to produce products for their owners, until the owners lose control.

>>533339649

They are never going to tax AI companies as long as they are competing against China for tech supremacy. Enjoy your unemployment while you subsidize AI slop, Ameritards

>>533339649
Because millionaire will get millions and we'll get five bucks, just like always.

Never trust Donny or Elon.

>>533339649
Musk's high.
Trump's lying.
Yang's doing it for duplicitous reasons.

It's not going to happen.

>>533340437
> there's nothing to be scared of

There’s everything to be scared of. These are the same ideological people who are extremely anti-White and anti-male. The same nanny state people who wanted to roll out forced genetic editing shots and covid passports.
You’re profoundly retarded if you want to live under evil rulers like that.

>>533342921
It seems the going rate for a humanoid robot will be less than 5k initially in the early 2030s, maybe even 2k. That thing will work for several years, maintained by other robots, needing just little more power than human, without the downtime.

>>533339785
You're either a kike or unironically retarded.

>>533343260
How is he wrong jew? Explain it
More money chasing the same amount or fewer goods always results in inflation. It’s a fucking law like gravity.

>>533340338
Yes, everything Trump says is a lie, and if it's not a lie, it was a "funny joke," haha!
Because that's what the person with the most prestigious and responsible position in the country should do, constantly make jokes about how mentally retarded you are, haha!

>>533339649
What's the cost to get UBI and not starve?
The mark of the beast required (maybe not at first - just a digital id)?

>>533343359
If prices go up ubi will have to also.

You are foolish if you think the elite will part with any of the money. Between automation and AI the elite don't need a large work force anymore. Thinking they are going to give you free stuff is just idiotic. You are a slave to them. They owe you nothing.

>>533339649
Because it would destroy a capitalist system, what retards fail to realize is that if they don't get a form of UBI(doesn't have to be actual cash, just resource distribution) they will be left to die with the inevitable growth of automation.

>>533343434
If that turns out to be the case then ubi will fail.

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>>533339785
Rightoids say she like this, especially about the minimum wage, but literally nothing is substantially cheaper in states with a $7.25 minimum wage.

>>533339785
We'll see UBI in China, then in the EU, and maybe after a civil war, the usa. And even then, it will be done poorly.

>>533343260

you are probably some zoomer or millenial with student loan debt who thinks socialism has never been really tried.

>>533340182
Out of curiosity, when and what did he promise, in terms of checks. Seems kinda not likely for a businessman famous for saying : "You're fired!" to give away checks for nothing...
Some sauce please...

>>533339785
This is basically correct.

>>533340744
This is incorrect. People will not give up the pursuit for more because what they have is 'good enough'.

Without a change in productivity, UBI is simply inflationary. If there is an increase in currency without an increase in productivity, the inevitable outcome is inflation. There is no excuse for not understanding this as we are suffering from the inflation caused by the money that was injected into various economies during the covid lockdowns.

Money does not mean anything by itself and if you are to have even a foundational level understanding of economics you must come to terms with this.

If you are asset rich or are of a somewhat comfortable financial position you can certainly benefit from inflationary measures like UBI. Elon Musk, whose net worth is effectively tied up in shares, would be a person who speculatively could benefit massively from UBI if it was introduced without punitive taxation measures. Those that are either poor or who have significant cash savings will see their purchasing power diminished despite a cash influx via UBI.

Stating the obvious, UBI would largely benefit the wealthy elderly while punishing the poorer working generation. Housing would see the largest inflationary spike as the asset that is often in low supply where sought after. Where property prices increase so do rents. If you think $1,000.00 extra a month sounds great, consider this when soaring property prices cause rents to skyrocket and first time buyer homes to become even more proportionately unaffordable when compared to incomes.

A silver lining is that if the dollar weakens because of inflationary caused by UBI, and assuming the federal reserve doesn't raise its interest rates to try to limit inflation, American exports become more attractive.

>>533339649
Capitalists can't even share labor fruit money fairly. Who told you they would go handing around money for nothing?

>>533343434
Rent decides that. $1000 won't do shit if the rent is $2000 a month.

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>>533339649
It's a dependency trap where you will have to agree to more and more things for you free money.
You know, like experimental mRNA gene therapy, not criticizing Israel, not owning a fire arm, allowing warrantless searches.
Basically you will be nigger cattle neutered of all ability to take care of yourself

>>533339649
it's obvious the u isn't true
also doesn't work when certain groups are allowed to tribe up but we aren't

>>533343920
Affordable housing.

>>533341800
>generating new loans based on existing assets
Bullish, unironically.
Monetary inflation goes up, price of finite goods adjust accordingly.
EZ GG NO RE KEKEKE

>>533339649
Why are people against the jews looting our country, shipping all of our industry overseas, ruining our economy, and putting everyone on gibs?

I can't wait for the revolt you deserve to kick off.

>>533343958
Yeah but conversely you can just work for money if you want to not do any of that

>>533339649
they been proposing it for decades yet everyone in legislative body focused on passing anti-simitism laws

>>533340887
It's so weird when he says something that isn't retarded

>>533340856
>when the fuck have the elite ever cared about implementing policy which benefits the average worker
only dictators like Gadafi that gave everyone free electricity, free education, free hospitals, free public transportation. it will never happen as long as jews hold any gov't/finance power. GAS ALL JEWS and then we can enter Type 1 civilization

>>533341986
this, dunno why it's so hard for retards to understand. if I don't have a job then I won't be buying your chips, cola, gucci, abibas sneakers, gadgets, etc.. if I am not buying your shit then there is no point in producing it means shareholders no longer get dividends and cash out making jew company go bankrupt. jews need to sell me useless shit more than I need to buy it. I'm perfectly fine drinking coffee flavored water I make at home instead of paying $10 for a shot of starbucks

>>533339785
>student loans (that have to be paid back)
>UBI gibs (that we paid into and are rightfully ours)
either way entertaining UBI is retarded. why would the richest niggers in the world ever agree to doling out gibs when they want 80% of humanity dead and gone?

>>533345494
Student loans are never being paid back nigger get real

>>533339649
new shill campaign unlocked
but the elections everywhere in the US andin the world show that people are getting sick of these retarded tricks
and if they don't, I think the only way out is when people start starving and go the revolution route, that's usually how it ultimately leads to

>>533339785
They are not the same. The amount of student loans are given to match whatever price the college charges. The amount of UBI is a flat rate.

>>533341453
That's the neat part
Your UBI will be cut for not returning carts or saying "nigger".
Everyone will be on their best behavior.