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>be retarded iranian leaders
>enemy threatens to "destroy your civilization"
>you (iran) literally have all the cards
>orangutan begs for a ceasefire or some kind of deal so he can get out of this shitshow
>clearly the best option for iran is to keep the war going as it will only hurt trump more with each day
>actually nvm lets make a deal, accept a ceasefire, and temporarily open the strait
>trump immediately goes on a massive media tour claiming total victory, ignoring all iranian conditions and focusing entirely on "the strait is open" to play the market (smart)
>markets get one of the biggest recoveries ever, oil prices tank
the stupidity of countries like iran, russia and china never ceases to amaze me. it's incredible to watch these countries fall for western tricks again and again and again. every single time they fall for it. every single time they hand victories and bailouts to the enemies who wants them dead. what is it about these retarded countries that makes them so susceptible to cvck warfare? is it a genetic thing? a brownoid thing? why are they so dumb? god i hope trump/israel are planning another mass bombing campaign on their leadership i would laugh my ass off so fucking hard.
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>>533364297
Why are you laughing? None of the American people will see benefits from this. Just because some corporation retards pumped their bags in reslonse to Trump's blustering doesn't mean the economy is healing
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>>533364297
yeah the orange nigger is manipulating the market like he's been doing for the past month and a half. he knows the petroleum supply shortages will be hitting soon and tanking the economy, so he wants to loot a few more billion dollars before the system grinds to a halt.
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>>533364297
The Zionist Jews are continually murdering civilians in Lebanon, drone strikes continue right now, their favorite thing to do is drone strike ambulances attending earlier attacks. Iran is still at war, they're under a ceasefire temporarily agreed to with the USA that has been violated continuously, the war is far from over as long as the Zionists continue to murder. All the rest are Trump lies, the stock market rallied on Trump lies, no western media bothered to actually find out the truth from the Iranians or ships in the gulf wouldn't have sailed straight into the Iranian navy and been turned around.
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>>533364297
How did they fall for anything? The strait is already closed again because Israel couldn't stop bombing Lebanon for 12 hours. Every ship is now being turned back. Trump got to briefly pump and dump the market, Iran drew world attention again to Netanyahu dogwalking Trump, who gives a shit?
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>>533364297
>you (iran) literally have all the cards
I mean at some point you do have to realize governments are made up of people and people generally dont like dying.
>but theyre righteously holy warriors
Nigger if you gave an Iranian the chance theyd be flying in instagram whores to take dumps on just like their sandnigger brothers. Come on now.
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>>533364297
The last two weeks Iran hasn't been getting bombed, now Lebanon isn't being bombed, and the oil shortage is 2 weeks worse with only token traffic passing.
Eventually the reality of supply and demand will have to hit. Trump can manipulate the market, maybe even manipulate the futures market so totally that it bares no relation to the physical market, but that physical market is running short of supply and raising prices and it's those prices consumers pay.
What has Trump gotten out of the last two weeks apart from a bigger hole and delaying scary numbers in the CNBC ticker?
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>>533364297
They just have different motives than you think. They don't care about the market, oil prices, damaging USA/Trump's public opinion. Those are just means to achieve some goals by pressure.
Iran has just two victory conditions:
1. Regime to survive (without USA troops on the ground it's impossible to change)
2. Have sanctions removed (they are keeping Iran down since 1979)
They don't give a fuck about uranium too. They said before Trump commenced attack that they can give it all and wouldn't pursue nukes as Khamenei's fatwa prohibited it anyway.
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>>533364297
Iran never wanted war, they just want to be left alone.
I doubt they give a single fuck who goycattle think "won" just as long as the Iranian people know their leaders are the only ones who can protect them.
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>>533364804
The problem is Trump can promise to remove all sanctions, the strait opens for a few months and the market recovers, and then Trump says actually I've changed my mind sanctions restored.
The only way to prevent that as I see it is to make the American people HURT, make it so that nobody wants to cross Iran ever again. That will take time and much higher prices.
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>>533364297
They never stood a chance. Most of our assets are still in the US and the Pacific/Europe.
Also, their own general public is tired of them. They want to live in the 21st century, not like a bunch of biblical-age bandits.
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>>533364297
>fall for western tricks again and again and again
That's the people of Western nations.
Who fall for the lies that the Western ruling class puppets tell them again and again and again.
I mean if you have been paying attention they have basically said that people consume too many resources, particularly in the West and they are going to have consume less.
This will continue until the global population reaches a level they deem sustainable.
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Total Trump victory is pretty satisfying.
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>>533364297
1) iran doesn't care about the US stock market
2) the stock market rallied because trump tweeted "straight is open!" only to reveal its not open after market close
a better question in all of this is why the market is so retarded. every friday is the same thing. trump says "everything is great!" during the day, the markets close, then trump fucks shit up. and they fall for it every week. the conga line of oil barrels is over next week, are they gonna keep speculating that oil magically exists?
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>>533364297
iran is fighting for its existence whereas the usa is fighting for a few more cheeseburgers added to their GDP
iran literally cannot win a war against the usa. their only option is to wave the white flag.
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>>533364297
Why do retards keep thinking Iran has any leverage on anything? Their military was wiped out, their leaders were killed, their scientists all turned into dust, their facilities are now bombed, their entire navy sunk. America destroyed them within a day. They have nothing except talking shit on twitter and surrendering, which they have done.
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>>533364297
Yes, if they had persevered, they would have inherited the entire middle east. But they weren't prepared to make real sacrifices for the future of their descendants. Apparently, there are still too many boomers in power in iran.
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>>533365263
>iran literally cannot win a war against the usa
kinda funny to say this when you point out that iran has every reason to fight this war and USA has none apart from israel telling them to. USA doesn't have any motivation to actually win
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>>533364297
iran's only card was to have their military remnants hide and shoot unarmed civilian ships passing outside their territory through the strait.
they were incredibly proud of it too because their third world brains are incapable of shame, but realistically the countries those freighters belonged to wouldn't have put up with that forever. agreeing now is the best they could've done.
would've been even better for them to agree when trump called their ayatollah or whatever and said okay lets do a couple missile exchanges then we'll sit down and announce a cease fire.
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>>533364430
>None of the American people will see benefits from this
Are you completely retarded? Here, I'll spell out the money cheat code for you:
>Orange Man says something retarded, market dips. YOU BUY
>Orange Man renegs or issue is 'solved', market go up, YOU SELL.
If you miss the sell, YOU HOLD until Orange Man says something retarded again in 1-4 months.
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>>533364297
Did it occur to you that maybe the US president knows more than you about the conflict?
Did it occur to you that the Iranians are lying?
That Trump is telling the truth when he says their country is in shambles and they hold zero cards.
>you (iran) literally have all the cards
The fact you believe this means you're a media consuming NPC. Grow a brain.
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>>533365225
>a better question in all of this is why the market is so retarded.
The are always retarded day traders who think they can beat people with inside knowledge.
But the markets have actually been remarkably mellow through all of this.
It lost maybe 6% total which is only a minor correction.
20 years ago markets would probably lose 30% over a war like this.
Vast majority of investors today seems to believe nothing ever happens.
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>>533365137
Speaking of satisfying.
Could you imagine pic u posted would be amazing. Beautiful man. Great colors. Whiter than white teeth. Fresh breath. Piercing baby blues.
I reckon he talks with authority. Sincerity. With reason. But not without humor. He loves to make you smile, “to check your teeth.”
But we all know. It was because he loves to make u smile <3
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>>533365546
narrator: he of course didn't answer the question
>the strait is open now
ok, then surely amerisrael ships are transiting right? you point to one single amerisrael ship and you win the argument. its that easy
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We really don't spend enough time discussing just how devastating this must have been to the Iranian economy. People act all smug like her der chetto man this is what 4d chess really looks like when in reality this is the equivalent of setting yourself on fire and grabbing your enemy.
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>>533364297
hmm, yeah, I'm sure the problem is Iran, not the manipulation
>it's incredible to watch these countries fall for western tricks
fucking ironic lmao
retarded cuck
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>>533365619
>You know that all memeflags are kikes
dogwalking these dimwits is a fun past-time
>>533365676
>how devastating this must have been to the Iranian economy
they've lived under permanent harsh sanctions for so long that their economy is basically shock-proof. the normies aren't living great but the iranian economy is very resilient.
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>>533365676
As if the iranian people weren't prepared to make sacrifices. It was surely some iranian moneybags who cared more about business continuing than about their nation's future, who exerted pressure to back down.
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>That's how bad things are.
I'm sorry Anon but if you can't afford $50 a paycheque you just need to get a better job or move somewhere less shit. You think this shithole country is doing any better? You just do what you can.
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>>533364297
The Iranians made a deal so the kikes would stop bombing Lebanon, but they already broke it so the strait will close again
Plus the world economy will get hit hard in a couple months when the fuel reserves run out and the backup shortages catch up
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>>533364691
> Nigger if you gave an Iranian the chance theyd be flying in instagram whores to take dumps on just like their sandnigger brothers.
They could if they wanted to but they choose not to, not everyone is a closet homosexual freak like you
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Ayo, Hold up.
WTF is AVGO? Where did they come from?
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>>533364297
>nvidia is hard carrying the entire global economy
grim
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>>533365676
Ironically the Iranian oil industry earned more money during the war than before.
High oil prices are great for Iran.
And not only were they the only one who could pass the strait (until Trump closed it off which any non-retarded president would have done on day one), Iran also stored a lot of oil all over the world to sell in situations like these.
For the rest of their economy it was pretty shit of course, but their infrastructure is largely intact and their relationship with Europe and Asia has actually improved which will be good for trade on the long term.
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>>533366098
>They have nothing left in terms of military capability.
its amazing to me that there are still people out here who haven't figured out trump is lying to them. its been a decade of lies and bruh still sucks down every single fart
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>>533366030
>The Iranians made a deal so the kikes would stop bombing Lebanon, but they already broke it so the strait will close again
Are you sure? During israel's last 15 violations, the iranians have continued to uphold the agreements. Someone powerful in iran desperately wants business back to normal it seems. And they don't seem to care about iran, let alone lebanon.
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>>533365860
You're assuming that the government has the full support of the people that is clearly not the case as judged by the protests and executions of protesters that followed on, also the rally around the flag effect dissipates the moment that hunger and economic collapse sets in, thats why historically sieges are the most successful form to achieve a military or political objective
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>>533364297
>the stupidity of countries like iran, russia and china never ceases to amaze me.
After Iran's president Raisi died, they elected a total cuck reformist president named Presihizkin or whatever the spelling is. He's been constantly trying to cuck HARD with America and Israel. He always announces negotiations and deals and has said Iran's nuclear enrichment is up to be negotiated with. The Security Council has had to tell him to STFU during the war. People like him actively want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They're not even traitors or double agents because that would at least offer a rational self-interest as motivation. These cucks do cuckery literally for no reason and just because they're retarded pussies. It's that bad.
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>>533364297
How I read it is: Iran lost some of their buildings etc to being bombed but Trump is worse off in terms of a deal than before starting the war. If he'd done nothing, no war, he'd been better off. Obama's deal in place is better than where it is now. Especially considering Iran now know they have a ton of leverage in the future and the US will always back down as they do every time they start shit with smaller countries. But then Trump had to do something other than be sunk by Epstein.
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>>533366280
>You're assuming that the government has the full support of the people
this might surprise you but bombing a nation unprovoked galvanizes the population
>>533366373
tell me why trump is blockading the straight please
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>>533364297
USA bombed the shit out of the Netherlands in 1944 and now we’re bombing the shit out of Iran. Why? Because Timmy won’t do shit.
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>>533364297
>that retarded dutch nigger with the know-it-all attitude again
Just because WWIII might amuse you doesn't mean China and others won't have other plans right now dumbass. Trumps blocking-the-blockade move, as silly as it looks, forced China to intervene and Iran leaders being much, much smarter than you complied. Fucking moron.
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>>533364556
>for high volume selloffs
Except there have been none. Even when the market was going down there was never amy capitulation. Because the market is literally being pushed up by the fed at every key resistance point, the market is completely rigged to the upside, the only thing is its the American taxpayer paying for it via inflation.
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>>533366430
>tell me why trump is blockading the straight please
He's not blocking the Strait. He's blocking iranian ports. And thus, oil trade between iran and china. This likely led tocChina, as well as key figures in iran, exerting pressure to uphold the agreement at all costs. Now tell me, why didn't the iranians fire missiles while their allies were being slaughtered in lebanon?
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>>533366100
>the war will never end because as soon as it does, bibi goes to prison
Checked and how come almost no one voices this? How come the government just doesn't arrest him? He can't have that many loyalists that aren't American p*testants and Europoor p*testants
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>>533364297
They preserved their energy grid, Kharg island and countless lives.
A war with Iran would hurt but not destroy the US. A war with US would hurt Iran much more. Infrastructure, industry, GDP, human lives, too much to lose for Iran.
So far both sides kinda won. US got to whack a few Ayatollahs, but lost a bunch of service members and aircrafts. Iran lost A few Ayatollahs and a bunch of military equipment, but got to flex on the whole world and earned some clout.
I'm sure this war will begin again, once Israel provokes it yet again.
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>>533366674
At the very latest, when johnny sixpack could no longer afford to fill up his truck and the dollar showed the first signs of collapse, trump would have fully implemented iran's 10-point plan. There are some players who benefit from its now end, but certainly not the iranian nation and its future.
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>>533364297
If Iran lost this thread wouldn't be necessary.
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>>533366430
>this might surprise you but bombing a nation unprovoked galvanizes the population
A popular government? Sure. Otherwise its not long lasting.
>>533366448
>The iranian people have clearly shown that they are prepared to make sacrifices to bring this to a positive conclusion.
>says from his comfy home in the alps
Expected reply from a commie that has no idea how bad are the conditions of living in a warzone. The fact that even the Iranian leadership understand this to some degree shows how detached you are from reality
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>>533366187
remember when trump won the first election and all of the liberal faggots went reeeeeeeeeeee
that's you now
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>>533364297
>you (iran) literally have all the cards
Imagine being this disconnected from reality, the Iranian leadership was getting killed daily, the initial leaders and then their backup, then the backup of the backup, then the backup of the backup of the backup are all dead, Iran is being destroyed by the US military, the US is also holding back by not destroying key infrastructure so after a deal is reached they can resume normalcy as soon as possible
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>>533364297
>be zognald
>start war
>lose
>pay $20 billion to go back at where you started including the Obama deal
>it'd take Iran like six months to make $20 billion off the strait toll
>all conditional to a Lbeannon ceasefire that Israel won't honor
>call it a victory
This has been the most embarrassing defeat in american history and that's saying something, that you even try to spin this into anything other than a disaster is proof of the power of pajeet delusion
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>>533364297
Hormussy status? Your goy points that rise and fall depending on the mood of king migger mean nothing
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Not by a longshot, they did achieve their stated objectives with bonus. Not to mention its probably not even over yet but i mean that's US propaganda for you. What i guess is my conclusion from all this is that miggers and shills aren't human
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I have to ask, do you people seriously think that Israel is going to honor the ceasefire?
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>>533364297
Or…. Maybe the propaganda you ingested so readily wasn’t actually true. Maybe Trump actually did kick the ass of Iran and was playing chess forcing Iran to choose between total closure of the strait for as long as they could hold out and complete destruction of their industry, or making a deal and kicking to America so they could hopefully hold on to power. Meanwhile, forcing China to choose between supporting Iran and loosing 70% of their oil imports, or pressuring them to make a deal and saving their already severely damaged infrastructure so they could continue getting desperately needed oil.
Trump wins yet again, and you stupid add libtards lose….. again!
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>>533367752
The US was pushed back from Iran by the Iranians systematically dismantling their radar network worth tens of billions of dollars, early warning was down to about a minute in Tel Aviv and nothing in some other places, the Iranians in the end proved that they could strike anywhere at will accurately. US bases were destroyed and abandoned, US storage and helicopters, planes were destroyed on the ground. The US was losing top line fighter planes in combat missions just along the coast, the US navy never came closer than 3 to 4 hundred kilometers outside a ceasefire. Plenty of cards being played right there. The Iranians moved all their missiles, drones and planes underground, their missile and drone manufacturing is underground, all the Zionists were hitting were the usual gutless zionist targets, hospitals and schools, railway bridges and I'm not even making this up, it's been verified. Keep cheering for the evil cunts though because you're obviously a deadshit.
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niggerfaggots
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>>533364515
Retard tier thinking. The only thing Trump wants is to win. Tanking oil prices is a way for him to win. You and the moron conspiracy theorists like you think too deeply about simple situations. He wants to leave a legacy, that’s it. He doesn’t give a shit about corporations. Especially since most of them support democrats.
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Some reverse ferret merger with Avago but Broadcom was the bigger company. Avago wears it like a skinsuit.
Broadcom make 100gbit network switch equipment so basically glue datacentres together.
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>>533364297
>failed to buy the dip again award
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>>533364297
>Trump posts right before markets close
>makes a killing
>Iran next day says Hormuz stays closed and everything Trump said was a lie
Shit's been happening since this "war" began and yet you still fail to understand that.
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>>533365676
I hope muttmericans one day get to experience a fraction of the devastation they have visited on other people, because they are the weakest faggots on the planet and would actually be the ones to instantly capitulate. Mutts need nuclear holocaust now, and only their kike masters need it more.
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>>533372378
>"You'll pay for this! Just you wait"
Seethe Wumao.
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>>533372447
U think u can tussle with a real White man? Try me, spic; I'm 110% White and a direct descendant of John Adams. 14/88 you shitskin spic.
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>>533367752
>can resume normalcy as soon as possible
USA had a plan to take out a few nations to usher in their New World Order plan.
Guess which country was on the list that remains unconqueored?
No, food and fuel and the economy isnt in the shitter because of Iran. Thats the scapegoat.
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>>533371975
Nobody can invade America but they can certainly become poor again. They don't make anything. They can run a huge trade deficit and print infinite money for gibs and give all their women fake email jobs because of worldwide confidence in the dollar. Trump is ironically undermining the very thing that stops Americans having to slave away like the Chinese and Mexicans.