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Tywin Lannister, Lord Paramount of the west, Lord of the Westerlands, former hand of the King, and now widower at the same time as becoming a father of 4. He had sent them away, all the servants and the maester and the guards, even his eldest children who would not stop pestering him on the state of their mother, of his wife. He stood alone, in a room with a corpse made such by two children, a second pair of twins. Had it been just that, so simple as to have another set, perhaps Tywin could have stomached this loss, given time, given something useful in exchange for this loss that threatened his stone like face.
Mismatched eyes, twisted body, a head that no doubt brought the strain that killed Joanna. A dwarf, a crude misshapen slap to the face by the seven who are one. He could hear it now, the laughter, the jeers, the name of his house tainted by this thing that had no right to exist. He was considering letting the sea take it to whatever the Iron born called a god, when the second shape made a grunt and shifted.
It was normal, beautiful in contrast to its twin. No blemish, no misshapen features, nothing but an average baby. Tywin wondered what gift he had that made Joanna’s death a worthy price, what talent or trait would pay for the blood spilled. Tywin let out a grunt and set the two aside, walking to his wife. His fist clenched until his knuckles were white, his nails threatening to cut through his palms, before with a shudder the tension left him and the Lord of the Rock turned and exited the room.
“Clean her, prepare her for the funeral.”
“Yes Lord Tywin…and the infants Mi’lord?”
Tywin shot a glare down at the nursemaid, who flinched away and was about to scurry off when Tywin said “Bathe them, dress them, whatever needs to be done. I will retire to my solar, do not wake me unless there is something urgent.” He said to the servants, before walking away, the air cold in his wake.
Though not spoken of, for fear of earning the Old Lion’s Ire and from understanding a husband’s grief, it took Tywin a full day before he remembered to name the children.
The dwarf would be named Tyrion, weather to grant the child the mercy of a proper Lannister name or to attach the named of a tormentor to him, no one could say save Tywin.
The other child, the third born son, what was their name?
>Write in a proper Lannister name.
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>>6385297
Well shit that’s embarrassing. Been awhile.
Anyways here’s some name ideas.
>Tybolt Lannister (named for the Grand uncle of Tywin, who died mysteriously after building up the Lannisport fleet in response to ironborn attacks.)
>Lorean Lannister (named after the last king of the Rock before the conquest)
>Gerold Lannister (a name honoring Tywin’s grandfather)
>Rohann Lannister (a name honoring Tywin’s grand mother Rohanna Webber)
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>>6385301
>write in
>Jason Lannister (a name honoring Joanna and her father who died during the war of the ninepenny kings)
Jason also had a weak brother so I imagine that might also go into Tywin's thinking.
And an earlier Jason Lannister also had a more cunning twin brother.
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>>6385303
Oh that’ll definitely be the case for awhile, which will only be made worse by Cersei being Cersei. Though Tyrion will still have his intelligence, something you won’t be able to match.
Also Lorean is a fun name, so I’d be down for it. Places some expectations to live up to it.
Though Gerold Lannister and Rohanna were both notable Lannisters during the reign of King Aegon the Unlikely. Though there are bad rumors surrounding them both, which may fit with your birth being cursed in some ways in Tywin’s eyes.
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>>6385320
To be fair ROhanna Webber doesn’t show up in either game of thrones or the novel series. She’s a character in one of the short stories in the Dunc and Egg series, and may be a character in a future season of “A knight of the Seven Kingdoms” if they stick to the books. But she is not mentioned in the main series, save perhaps in passing if at all.
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>>6385317
You were Jason Lannister, and the years within the Rock were spent living in the splendor your father had secured for his family through guile, fear, and ruthlessness. You grew up witnessing, when your father was around, men of great name and wealth cower in your father’s presence or quail when his tone sharpened. No man, weather he lord or servant, could step out of line with him. And you were no exception.
Your father immediately, when you were old enough to, put you to lessons alongside your twin Tyrion. There you feared his cold stare, and feared earning the even worse expression he saved for Tyrion. You attended every class, you focused on every mentor’s words, and you strove to be what the whispers said you were.
They said you were the blessed child, that you had taken all the good in the womb, that the gods have given you alongside your brother as a means of making up for your mother’s death. You were the better twin, you were the one meant to be in the sun.
This quickly proved incorrect. For while you were physically more appealing than you twin, he was both more clever and more agile. He took to books far easier than you, while you struggled to hold back tears as your father forced you to study and practice until the words on the page made sense. Your brother Jaime commiserated with you on that experience, and you were thankful father had practiced on him before it was your turn.
You were also no prodigy in arms, in fact you did not shine whatsoever, even with your greater teachers and time you could never surpass the squires of the knights in your father’s employ, only doing so when you had maybe a few months or a year of extra training ahead of them. You never performed so poorly as to embarrass your father, but you never excelled and that felt almost as bad.
Sums and history met similar ends, never showing great aptitude or talent for them. You took the lessons, and you did not lag behind the Maester’s Minimal expectations, but you did not shine in any regard and every proof of mediocrity made your father’s seem closer to regarding you no better than Tyrion.
Cersei was beautiful and could talk to anyone with a silver tongue. Jaime seemed destined to be the next Arthur Dayne. Tyrion had read and memorized much of the library and had learned to dance and flip with grace.
Jason had learned to fill space, you had a talent for the unremarkable.
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>>6385325
By the grace of the seven, you were blessed with one thing. Brothers, both an elder whose love came without condition and was always there to try and help you and a twin who, perhaps at first resented you for your unblemished physique, found solace with you against your Lord Father’s disapproval. The fact you had been humbled early made it easier.
Cersei though, Cersei was a terror. While she had scorn in excess for Tyrion, she still seemed to find plenty in her heart to give you. It made you try and please her, or earn her favor for years, but eventually it proved pointless, especially when you chose to defend your Twin from her wrath more and more.
With these relationships, you pressed forward, the unremarkable spare, the talentless third born. Though, perhaps that is an exaggerated statement. You did find some things that caught your passion, and perhaps through focus and passion you managed to forge a notable skill.
What was that skill?
>Music?
>Painting?
>Hunting?
>Architecture?
>Horticulture?
>Sailing?
>Other?
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>>6385363
I mean I get it. Rhaegar only real noted skill besides being fuckboy beautiful was that he was excellent with a harp. Sure he could hold a sword but uh, we saw what that got him in a real battle
Boy got squashed like he was made out of Play doh
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>>6385365
Yeah fair. Bobby B was a rare monster, real big s scary mother fucker in his prime, especially cause he took the hard counter to armor and mastered it. Of course Rhaegar lost, he got fucking compressed like a soda can
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>>6385326
>Architecture?
Handy for not only building, but also breaking down stuff (siegemaster) We could also have a talent for making good drawings due to that.
Maybe we can make kings landing not a shithole (a near impossible feat.)
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>>6385368
Damn, Barristan would ugly cry if he heard you talkin bout Rhaegar like that
>>6385369
I feel like Kings Landing would actively resist being un-shittified. Not the populace, but like the city itself would revolt. King's landing is such a shithole, its almost a supernatural phenomenon in of itself how shit it is
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>>6385371
>I feel like Kings Landing would actively resist being un-shittified
That's why I said a near impossible feat lol. The settings has magic, dragons and a wall so big that it could count as it's own mountain range.
It should be possible, but might require some sorcery to make it possible lol.
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>>6385326
>Architecture
Perhaps the greatest bank robber in American history was a trained architect, George Leonidas Leslie. The master jewel thief Bill Mason was a handyman that owned and rented apartments out. We should be an architect and use our gift to analyze our father's targets for weaknesses, or build impregnable fortresses. Casterly Rock is famously pretty easy to infiltrate.
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>>6385389
George was also an upper class socialite - in fact, he would famously go to lavish gilded age parties and schmooze up to other architects, property owners, or bankers, and use social engineering to convince them to take a look at their plans for different vaults, citing professional curiosity or wanting inspiration for his own projects. Then he would memorize the layout and reconstruct it. He also had a knack for simply walking through spaces and being able to catalogue measurements by sight and remember them clearly. The Lannisters are famously very rich, but I think it would be really interesting if Jason, like George, became a thief largely for the love of the game.
Thematically, it would make a lot of sense. He is the third born son, and barely better liked than Tyrion. He has to deal with the abusive, controlling, autocratic parenting style of Tywin. I can easily see that leading to a psychological profile that compulsively wants to outwit or outsmart authorities, to be subversive, to accrue wealth by unconventional means in order to prove to himself and others that he has the value his father and older sister won't acknowledge. Kind of like a corporate CEO's neglected child becoming a shoplifter at the mall, but at a grander scale. I am imagining the look on Tywin's face when Jason shows him a wagon full of gold expertly plundered from a Dornish barracks or presenting a priceless Valyrian steel spear he heisted from a rival Lord, to be melted down into the Lannister family sword that Tywin has always lusted after. Hanging out with cutthroats, crooks, and brothel girls, gaining a reputation as a 'Rogue Lion', and playing the Game of Thrones our own way... And sure, occasionally we show up to our dad's office with the blueprints for some new fortification or something like that, he's obsessed with legacy, so building stuff that will last and improving our family holdings will surely please him. I think would be an interesting mirror to Jaime - he is an exceptional swordsman and warrior, but he uses his skill to be a Kingsguard, making him a disappointment. Would be cool if we had a similar talent that we 'squandered' (i.e. used in a way daddy doesn't approve of) in a way that has us fitting in with the overall theme and structure of the Lannister family. That's my pitch anyways!
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>>6385397
Well, that's all nice anon, but
1. George was a socialite, but we are part of the family that is set to basically take over the kingdom through our father and our sister, are we gonna go rob ourselves?
2.Jason has already been stated to be pretty shitty at the socialite game, and not particularly clever either, or a good fight. He's not some dashing rogue.
Really, it sounds to me like we'd be best just dedicating ourselves to the art of architecture. We must become Bob the Builder.
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>>6385400
Eh, I respectfully disagree. We can think bigger, and can find companions whose talents synergize with ours, and there is always going to be someone else with things worth taking - the Lannisters have a lot of enemies and are surely going to make more as the quest progresses. I think it'd be more interesting to actively participate in the conflicts in some way rather than to hang back and build castles or monuments, personally. I appreciate your perspective, though, and suppose I will have to see if other anons resonate with my vision here!
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>>6385326
Architecture. It was an odd thing for a noble’s son to become fascinated with. While one was expected to know how castles worked and the basic ideas around them, especially when ordering the construction of fortifications or planning a siege, the level in which you studied was beyond that. It began small, the maester leaving some slabs of metal out one day, silver bronze and gold that you saw as mortar and stone for a gilded castle. The Lord Tywin thought you were shirking you studies for play, but the Maester saw something else. From there, when you had time away from lessons, the maester helped you cultivate this talent, hoping to show Tywin that the Young Jason had something to shine with. While the maester taught you all there was to know about masonry, carpentry, and their uses in construction, you helped him construct something that you would treasure for your entire youth. Brick by brick, it grew taller. Every room was planned out, either discovered by your own eyes or through historical account. Whenever you could, you would pester one of your uncles to help you explore, Gerion and Kevan most often aiding in their own ways, and in the rare occasion even uncle Tygett lead you down as deep as he was able to tolerate. Aunt Genna gave you a small chiseling set and tools, decorated with gold and lion iconography, and you paid her back with the strongest hug you could manage.
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>>6385423
It took years, but eventually when you turned ten, you and the Maester braved the door of your father’s solar and revealed the project to him: A scale model of Casterlly Rock, every floor and hall painstakingly molded, carved, and shaped into a model that could open to reveal its insides. Every room was furnished, every inch exact in detail, and most importantly of all, it revealed all there was to know about the ancient home of the Lannisters in a way that could be easily seen. Secret passages you had discovered, intersecting oath ways, locations for defenses, death traps, kill rooms, and everything needed to make invaders to the rock’s halls experience all seven hells. Most shockingly you found a whole Ballroom, shuttered away generations past due to lean times and grief, that held within it plenty of family treasures.
You had made the majority of it, the Maester ceasing to help you once you began to take off with the work with childish excitement.
At first, your father asked the maesters questions, but when the maester deferred to you, you began to answer your father’s questions. You showed your knowledge, your understanding, and your theories on how some of the more complex aspects of the Rock’s construction worked and why they were that way. You were even able to point out and explain what areas of the rock were in disrepair, bringing in notes and written accounts that you had never managed to memorize but were all written in your own childish hand.
It was the work of your life, it was a grand mission, with a single goal: impress your father.
After he spent time looking over your work, your notes, and the model in exacting detail, he patted your head once and told you well done, before returning to his work.
It was the happiest day of your life. The Model would stay in his Solar, where he would go over the needs of his house using it everyday. You had found a way to shine, to not just fill space.
The next week your father gave you work orders and documents, and you began to focus entirely on the maintenance and upkeep of Casterly rock as you worked for the Castellan of Casterly rock, which quickly drained the fun of your skill.
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>>6385425
Then Harrenhall happened. You had been left behind at Casterlly rock, left with your brother Tyrion to mind the rock and the lands under its control while your father worked for the king as his hand, and paraded your sister to the court to catch the prince’s eye. You and Tyrion were happy to be the only ones of Tywin’s brood in the castle, to breath and enjoy yourselves, even if you both had responsibilities. You enjoyed yourselves, laughing with Uncle Gerion, learning well under Uncle Kevan, practicing your blades under Uncle Tygett’s eye to his reluctant joy, and you got to experience Aunt Genna’s undivided and unhindered affections. You remember those days well now. Sadly, they ended when your father returned with Cersei, in a greater rage than you had ever seen. That rage came crashing down on you, and it came in the form of harsher lessons, harsher expectations, and a harsher gaze, as now you were the Heir with Jaime taking in his white cloak and becoming a Kingsguard. A slight by King Aerys that, while it did not ruin the Lannister family, left your father with only his insignificant and mediocre third son as a viable heir.
Before, you had some freedom, avoiding your father’s harshest handling by virtue of being an extra with no ambition. Now, he trained and pushed you as if he thought to beat you from iron to valyrion steel. And you continually disappointed him by virtue of not being smart enough, strong enough, or ambitious enough.
With this came also your requirement to sustain the house. While Robert Baratheon’s rebellion coming and going, the political landscape shifted, and you were needed to secure alliances as your father maneuvered your sister into becoming Queen. Whatever talks of betrothal had occurred prior were forgotten for new matches, with your rise in station as well as your families.
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>>6385426
Who were you betrothed to?
>Arianne Martell (Born 276, would be 3 years younger than you) (In order to secure power in the coming new regime, and to ensure he held a trump card over the crown, Tywin captured and imprisoned Elia Martell and her children, claiming to be protecting them as he set taking Kings Landing. Using their lives as leverage, he strong armed Robert into Marrying Cersei as payment for his service to the crown in taking the city and securing the heirs, then strong armed the Martell into a marriage alliance with his heir in order to keep them loyal.)(creates tension between Martells and Lannisters, but less so than canon)
>Margaery Tyrell (Born 283, would be ten years younger than you)(In order to force the Tyrell’s under heel, Tywin used the shift in power to force the Tyrell’s into a marriage pact, giving away their newly born daughter to Jason Lannister in order to ensure the Targaryen loyalists would be forced to stay loyal to House Lannister, and by extension the crown.)(Put you in between the power struggle between Tyrell and Lannisters families, almost off all Lady Olenna and Lord Tywin)
>Wenna Arryn (Born 282, would be a year older than you)(Seeking to bind the crown to his family more, Tywin took the already leaning Jon Arryn and got him to agree to a marriage pact between his daughter from his second wife to Jason Lannister. This tied even the hand of the king to the Lannisters, which Tywin sought to take full advantage of.) (OC added, Jon Arryn’s second wife died without a child. Pulls you more directly into King’s landing’s politics due to your connection with the hand, as well as the Vale.)
>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)
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I'm gonna be honest with y'all, the only woman I know out of these is Margaerys because she was in the Telltale game which is where most of my knowledge of this setting comes from.
I'll let yall choose the waifu here but I will say that for Jason's sake as a generally medíocre man who's not very good in politicking he should probably stay away from King's Landing unless he wants to get murked by Cersei so her spawn can inherit the Lannister house too
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>>6385427
>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)
This amuses me greatly as a concept. Maybe we can expand our love of architecture into NAVAL architecture as well.
Also the idea of, while I know it would never reasonably happen, Jason saying "Honey, can you kick this guy's ass for me?" because she's genuinely the better fighter is really, *really* funny to me.
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>>6385427
>Wenna Arryn (Born 282, would be a year older than you)(Seeking to bind the crown to his family more, Tywin took the already leaning Jon Arryn and got him to agree to a marriage pact between his daughter from his second wife to Jason Lannister. This tied even the hand of the king to the Lannisters, which Tywin sought to take full advantage of.) (OC added, Jon Arryn’s second wife died without a child. Pulls you more directly into King’s landing’s politics due to your connection with the hand, as well as the Vale.)
We slowly, but surely get prepared to take over as the hand and we may stop the twins from fucking over everything. Us also knowing tunnels might even put us at an advantage in the red keep.
No write in options so we could propose a Westerland family?
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>>6385425
Actually got a little chill reading Twyin tell us well done.
>>6385427
>Arianne Martell (Born 276, would be 3 years younger than you) (In order to secure power in the coming new regime, and to ensure he held a trump card over the crown, Tywin captured and imprisoned Elia Martell and her children, claiming to be protecting them as he set taking Kings Landing. Using their lives as leverage, he strong armed Robert into Marrying Cersei as payment for his service to the crown in taking the city and securing the heirs, then strong armed the Martell into a marriage alliance with his heir in order to keep them loyal.)(creates tension between Martells and Lannisters, but less so than canon)
gotta vote for this, but Asha is also a good choice, mostly because I like the reasoning Twyin had for both of them, but Arianne wins out cause...I'm a fuckin bleeding heart and I can't resit a "Elia lives" AU for the life of me
Fuck Gregor Clegane
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>>6385428
I know them, but it's been a while. Arianne is fairly minor, IIRC, so I know even less about her, but she's a dornishwoman, and they tend to be "firey" (IE, used to more egalitarian society and chafing at the bounds of the strictly patriarchical nobles in the rest of Westeros). Margarey is your standard noblewoman, but with the distinctly Tyrell-ish bent of being a good player of the Game, last I remember. Wenna is an OC, but king's landing is a nogo (sorry QM), and I don't remember too too much about Asha but she's an ironborn through and through; a real "one of the boys".
Honestly, out of all of them the only one that wouldn't end up wearing the pants in the relationship would probably be Wenna, and MAYBE Margarey given the sheer age difference when the time for marriage would come.
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>>6385427
>Margaery Tyrell
Jofferey wasn't killed by the Tyrells because he was a Lannister, Jofferey was killed by the Tyrells because he was a shit. Be a good man, treat Margaery well, and Olenna will be in our corner working to help us.
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>>6385427
>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)
Pirate GF + Autistic Mastermind BF
We can use Lannister funds to make her an even better fighter, not that she's a slouch anyways. I think this is based.
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>4 votes, all different
Impressive.
I still feel like I'm not very apt for this but I will say it seems to me like the more interesting options are either Wenna or Asha. The former is more dangerous but that's what makes a story cool, I guess
I'm fine with either.
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>>6385437
Oooh, hadn't thought of that. She might end up turning into a monster if we get her proper tutors, armor, etc. It'd probably make Cersei mald too considering IIRC she had some hangups about not being able to do the things Jamie did, so seeing us rock up to a party with Asha would make her seethe.
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>>6385438
While She is my 2nd pick, there is one problem with Asha. And that's the Ironborn. More specifically, their shit ass culture and Cockroach faith. Seriously, every time there is an attempt to curb or stomp it out, a fucking army of drowned men spawn in and kill whoever the Crown put to try and make the iron islands not inhabited by a buncha cunts
Its like the riverlands spawning a whole ass new population to be genocided whenever there is a war in westeros.
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>>6385433
Tywin would be hunting greater alliances and only be looking at families of equal station, so the westerland families would all be too close to dirt for the Heir of Casterly rock.
>>6385431
I like that dynamic as well, and if you can manage it, she will be a powerful woman in your court, both in charisma and Martial prowess.
>>6385434
This would put you danger close to the 7 kingdoms most grudgey family who have a lot of poisons. Not to mention, the heir of Rhaegar, which puts you close to where Robert is glaring.
>>6385436
This is reasonable, however Olenna also wants to expand her families power just like Tywin. There will be a power struggle between them.
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>>6385440
Interestingly, Asha is a reformist. In the novel she pushed to try and change the Iron born to farm and be more like the greenlanders, trying to secure a better future for them by sanding down their rough edges, much like her grand father.
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>>6385441
Ironborn holy men/ priests. Who, besides drowning themselves and their congregation, also have the magical ability to appear from nowhere after the iron islands are conquered for the umpteenth time and a reasonable, non rapey lord is put into power and the drowned god faith is on the cusp of being put down like a sick dog
So they can drag the islands back into the ironborn's old way and get back to raiding and pillaging.
I have strong feelings about the ironborn
>>6385442
Sacrifices must be made to save Elia and her kids, unfortunately. Also, we could be the cool Lannister who goes native in Dorne.
Come on lads, isn't "Jason the Sand Lion" or "Jason the Lion of the sands" a fucking sick ass epithet?
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>>6385438
Arryn would be cool because the Eyrie genuinely is an architectural wonder. But we are kind of a failson and in a very precarious place as Tywin's heir, so we need muscle imo. Still hoping anons back my idea for a crime arc (only truly interesting way to use our singular talent 'offensively'), and if that pans out, I think having a StrongWife and being in a relationship that defies norms would ALSO reinforce the theme of being a disappointment to Tywin and simultaneously being successful despite it. I want Jason to prove Tywin wrong, and underscore his lack of imagination. The most interesting thing about house Lannister is how Tywin's children are basically a karmic curse, they all perfectly challenge and defy his worldview, and if he'd been more open-minded and kind they probably would have dominated the Game to a much higher level.
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>>6385445
Yeah, Asha wouldn't be the problem, It'd be the rest of the Iron Islanders who'd shit and sneer because we made her too green and slap their hands when they try and go a raiding again or take slaves...sorry, thralls.
But, a pro to marrying Asha, is we could rub it in Balon's face we're fucking his daughter...
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>>6385448
Oh yeah! Crime arc with the pirate waifu would be great!
"Urrgh, I want to rob someone! I want to raid and pillage!" (trying to tease/unsettle Jason)
"Hey, dear, lemme show you something." (sneaks them into a castle and steals everything not nailed down ck3 style) (attends a lord's party and starts hiding gold candlesticks under the poofy dress he insisted she wear for this exact purpose) (casually swipes someone's purse and nobody notices)
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>>6385446
>Come on lads, isn't "Jason the Sand Lion" or "Jason the Lion of the sands" a fucking sick ass epithet?
Mmmm... It is...
Though I am liking the sound of 'The Iron Lion' or perhaps 'The Drowned Lion'.
This is making me think of that Spanish bank that allegedly has a security system whereby, if the vault is penetrated, it is flooded with so much water that the pressure alone would crush the intruders like grapes.
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>>6385448
I still think the "crime arc" is lame and dumb. Jason does not have the personality of a dashing rogue, I'm sorry, he just does not. He is way too unambitious and uncharismatic.
He's not dumb or bad, he's just medíocre at everything except the one singular thing that is architecture.
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>>6385451
Oh man Sealion also goes hard as fuck... Asha just seems perfect for leaning into the schtick of defying expectations. There are big pros to the others but they feel like they conform in a way I find less appealing, and potentially put us into a more dangerous position, we could easily turn into a pawn for the Tyrell's or Martell's. Going another direction entirely will likely mean more agency and an ability to engage with the Game in a way that suits our abilities better.
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>>6385460
That's ok anon, though I would point out that it's pretty early to make sweeping judgments about the MC, at least imo, and idk how interesting it will be to play a character that seriously lacks ambition. My conception of Jason is that even if he isn't transgressive and rebellious enough to apply his talents towards burglary plots, he at least will want to build power for his family or attain security in his position or something - he's the Lannister heir. At worst I imagine him hoping to follow the playbook of Bran The Builder, to preside over some really impressive wonders or battlements, right? Either way, I am excited to see how his story unfolds.
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Perhaps we could use our engineering brain to upgrade the iron fleet... To the ironclad fleet (with oars or sails ofc I'm not gonna suggest we will crack the nut on steam engines or anything too crazy).
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>>6385427
My vote is for either
>Arianne Martell
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>Margaery Tyrell
but I can't decide which. So that's why I want to ask all the other anons here some long term questions to help me choose.
We know that Jamie and Tyrion are bros whilst Cersei is a cunt, but how do we want to have our relationship with Tywin go?
Do we want to try our hardest to make him proud and be the obedient heir he wanted, or will we resent him and try to forge our own path?
How will we feel about Jofferey?
Another interesting idea is that if we need to succeed, an option could be to act as a voicebox proxy for Tyrion. We know that Tywin will never see him as worthy, even though he has the cunning and wit for it. However if Jason lets Tyrion come up with the ideas and then recites it all back to Tywin as his own ideas, then Jason would be able to somewhat bridge the gap between the three of them. If it works out, then Jason would have a genuine opportunity to make sure that Tyrion one day receives what he thinks his twin is owed; after Tywin dies of old age thinking that everything is fine, Jason could then bequeath Casterly Rock to Tyrion.
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>>6385427
>Margaery Tyrell
Let's play it safe. We could save Margaery from the prospect of marrying Joffrey while keeping the Tyrells relatively far from the throne. I also really want to explore a safer pathway for Tyrells, to see what happens when the rivalry is hopefully reduced to mostly Tywin and Olenna as we help temper it with Margaery, and/or whether we could persuade the Reach to rebel with Robert as well. Perhaps Olenna won't poison us at our wedding, but will become like the mother we didn't know?
Asha would be interesting as well with her might complementing us and the prospect of ruling over two kingdoms, but we need a large canvas for our construction projects and aren't particularly ambitious - it's in character to marry the waifu Tywin presumably would have recommended us.
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>>6385486
>Do we want to try our hardest to make him proud and be the obedient heir he wanted, or will we resent him and try to forge our own path?
I think that realistically, and specially if we go with Asha, we will most likely end up barely being a thought in his mind beyond being "Benchwarmer the Lannister" because we'll spend all our time in the rock while he's out in King's Landing doing his schemes. Jason is in that very weird position where he's a disappointment, but he's not a failure. He's an extremely mediocre, unimpressive man. He's not going to do anything ambitious behind his back. While this is bad for an heir, it's pretty much perfect for someone whose sole purpose is just to exist in the background and not fuck things up.
So probably, we'll just do our own thang until he dies or whatever.
>How will we feel about Jofferey?
Unless we choose Wenna, we'll probably know him for all of five minutes during his wedding before he goes goes the way of the dodo.
>Another interesting idea is that if we need to succeed, an option could be to act as a voicebox proxy for Tyrion
I don't particularly enjoy the idea of being a puppet.
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>>6385486
>We know that Jamie and Tyrion are bros whilst Cersei is a cunt, but how do we want to have our relationship with Tywin go?
>Do we want to try our hardest to make him proud and be the obedient heir he wanted, or will we resent him and try to forge our own path?
My nuanced answer is that I envision Jason resenting Tywin in a similar way to how his siblings do, but as the firmest heir of the brood Jason has the most potential to actually make Tywin proud. I see him having some complexes there, hangups, and ultimately being defiant, or rebellious in certain ways. I think that defiance would be driven by a desire to prove Tywin wrong by exceeding his expectations in unexpected ways.
I think Cersei will be one of our worst enemies, naturally, and I think being Tyrion's twin, he will be our greatest ally from the jump. With his skill for intrigue, and our mind for design, we just need some real hitters to round things out. As the Lannister heir, I am going to say we should push for Sandor to be our bodyguard and let Joffrey have the Mountain instead - because the Hound is about as dangerous and much, much more trustworthy long-term. Plus Cleganebowl!!! Asha would help with this too, but there are other options if it goes another way. I don't think we should take credit for Tyrion's ideas, so much as we should lend legitimacy to them by dint of our station. We should help Tyrion prove Tywin wrong, as much as we should rely on him to help us do the same.
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>>6385490
>While this is bad for an heir, it's pretty much perfect for someone whose sole purpose is just to exist in the background and not fuck things up.
I really am hoping that we grow some ambitions of our own as the story begins, either being imparted by whichever wife we choose, or from making judgments about the (very probable) death of Ned and kingship of Joffrey leading to a decision that we need to intervene in a radical way. I am imagining a conversation with Jaime that illustrates for us the importance of betraying an evil king for the good of others, and being horrified at Joffrey suddenly ascending to power, yaknow? I don't see the appeal of staying a 'benchwarmer'.
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>>6385497
I think playing a character without political ambition, especially in this setting, would be fairly interesting. Not everyone needs to want to become a super powerful king man, you know? Maybe some people would just be happier making a design for some cool irrigation canals on the iron islands.
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>>6385427
>Asha Greyjoy
With a second place
>Martell
I have no skin in the martell game but they, the north and the crown lands are big players in the game and it never hurts to have ties.
But I like Pirate wife and "I have both a bodyguard and a Wife, Pray the bodyguard gets you first" memes are funny to me.
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>>6385500
>Not everyone needs to want to become a super powerful king man, you know?
Yeah, I definitely agree there, and I'm not necessarily saying I want to take anything that far. On the other hand, regardless of what Jason wants, he WILL become the patriarch of (what is currently) the most powerful great house. It could be funny and cool to be deliberating about which way to curve a sewer tunnel while everyone else is dealing with civil wars and white walkers - but I think those stakes will ultimately become inescapable, depending on which events the QM considers canon and which ones our inclusion is able to alter. I hope we meet those challenges with some ability that allows us to meaningfully participate, and personal reasons to do so.
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Also, whether Jason wants it or not, being the chief heir to the Lannister holdings makes us a weak point for Tywin and a huge target. Taking us out puts him in the unfavorable position he has in the books - no male heir in play, causing him to jump through hoops to secure the legacy he is obsessed with. The Martells, Starks, Tyrells, Baratheons, and Daenarys will all see that plainly, and be incentivized to eliminate us in order to open Tywin up to other kinds of alliances (like the ones he had to entertain in the books) without terms being as favorable for him. Even if Jason is too politically clueless to ascertain that himself (doubtful), Tyrion definitely is not and would explain as much very clearly. I also wanna point out that if our acumen for architecture and design is comparable to Jaime's skill with a sword or Tyrion's gift for scheming, we will have an understanding of math, physics, chemistry, and history that could open a lot of interesting doors. I appreciated another anon's proposal that we design siege weapons, and I am thinking of Tywin's speech to Arya about Harrenhall being impossible to conquer with conventional troops but vulnerable to attack by dragons. I hope Jason is able to develop the means to protect his family in the wars to come.
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>>6385512
Right! I am definitely partial to the idea of Sandor being our Bronn, though I am also wondering just how vastly it would alter the course of the world for him to stick by us instead of abandoning Joffrey and ending up with Arya - would she still become a Faceless Man? Hard to say, and maybe not worth wondering about because it would probably take many many many many threads to approach that part of the timeline anyways, at which point the butterfly effect of our meddling will have likely impacted a lot more of the board than I can imagine now.
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>>6385518
> because it would probably take many many many many threads to approach that part of the timeline anyways
Depends entirely on the speed at which things progress. Could be that we just sit out a lot of events due to not being at the capital.
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>>6385529
Tbf to Cersei, I always felt like she could have been as good of a schemer as Tyrion if she didn't need herself with her insane ego and insane loyalty to her worthless dumbshit incest babies. Several of her plots work out damn well on paper, but she mostly seems to fail forward through spite until she just runs all the way out of rope. Genuinely consider it to be proof of the Gods that all of Tywin's children so epically repudiate his worldview. It's like a fucking Greek tragedy.
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>>6385427
>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)
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>>6385533
The fun part is that Jason also seems to do so. Jason presents the idea (although we have yet to see if it shakes out) that you don't need to be a "Great Man" to rule a Great House. Sometimes, all you need to do is be calm, grow steadily, and stay in your lane and OUT of the drama of everyone else backstabbing each other.
Not counting the hobby of robbing people, of course. The former refers to Jason's presumed governing style, which would no doubt focus hard on building good buildings and well-laid-out towns and cities, infrastructure like roads and docks, etc. to promote the health and growth of the people in a way that doesn't overrely on Lannister gold mines.
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>>6385427
>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed, while Lord Stark Took Balon’s male heir, Tywin took Asha and got the king to betroth her to Jason. With this, it effectivly doomed the Iron isles to Greenland rule, and Tywin hoped one day to turn those islands to his own uses.)(Directly ties you to the Ironborn, as well as places you with Asha Greyjoy. She will grow up from preteen to adulthood under Lannister roof, as your betrothed. She likes sailing, and scares you.)
Absolute baddie alert
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>>6385599
>At least Jon Arryn's an okay dude.
Was*I am secretly more afraid of the Arryn route than any of the others, because proximity to Jon's freaky ass widow - and by extension, Littlefinger's most intense scheming - feels the least safe to me of all, with Margaery as a close second.
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Huge question: could we possibly earn the respect of the Greyjoy men by teaching them how to identify and exploit architectural weaknesses to maximize plunder?Victarion scares me...
Will we be able to save Theon from being Reek'd by Ramsay?
Will we be smart and capable enough to deploy the Iron Fleet against Danny effectively when she finally sails for Westeros, or will we get our ass wrecked by her dragons?
The mind boggles at the possibilities...
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>>6385667
I haven't read very much of the books, though I'm pretty interested in the lore. In the TV show, Asha was replaced with Yara, who is broadly similar and did end up allying with Danny - though I felt at the time it was less about a fondness for her and more about opposing the show's version of Euron. I am very interested to see how our relationship with Asha impacts the fate of Theon, and the behavior of Balon, Victarion, and Euron. The latter two are so fucking dangerous but so impossible to control. If the Lannisters do go to war with the Starks, as is still extremely likely, I imagine Asha will want us to help liberate Theon as soon as possible.
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>>6385683
No.
>Robert Baratheon’s rebellion coming and going, the political landscape shifted
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>>Asha Greyjoy (born between 275 and 276, 2 to 3 years younger.)(After the rebellion, Tywin found very little headway with finding a proper match for you. That is, until the Greyjoy rebellion occured. After the Greyjoy’s were smashed
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>>6385427
>Arianne Martell (Born 276, would be 3 years younger than you) (In order to secure power in the coming new regime, and to ensure he held a trump card over the crown, Tywin captured and imprisoned Elia Martell and her children, claiming to be protecting them as he set taking Kings Landing. Using their lives as leverage, he strong armed Robert into Marrying Cersei as payment for his service to the crown in taking the city and securing the heirs, then strong armed the Martell into a marriage alliance with his heir in order to keep them loyal.)(creates tension between Martells and Lannisters, but less so than canon)
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>>6385612
The Greyjoy rebellion started and ended suddenly, and it saw the destruction of the Lannisport fleet. It was a crushing blow to your father’s stature as a military power, one that sent him to the Iron isles with the intent to create a second verse to the famous song he was known for. To you however, it was a clear and easily solvable problem. The longships of the iron born relied on speed and stealth to strike targets, and had capitalized on that to cripple the Lannisport fleet. While your father went off to exact his blood price, you, Tyrion, and Gerion decided to improve upon the port.
Using sand and stones and gravel, you made the port less open, and worked to make it so that a single mouth in and out was the only way in, placing rocks and stone masses carved to be impassable or too heavy to pull aside along the artificial extension to the land.
By the time you father returned, he found an ugly, spikey, eye sore extending into the bay of his beautiful port. You had to carefully explain its purpose and how you planned to improve upon it in years to come to make it a fortification to spot incoming pirates and storms while breaking rogue waves to finally settle the annoyance of your father. What settled his anger was the price, or lack there of, of the endeavor as it required only things locally available and helped set up fishing spots for peasants, thus they were willing to do the work for cheap as long as they had rights to fish freely in these new areas. You told your father that the idea to use the peasantry was Tyrions, and how he had convinced them to work so cheaply to make way for fishing they could hold rights to. Your father barely aknowledged it, merely stating a desire to avoid giving the common folk too much leeway.
“Your sand castle is shite and couldn’t keep out a raiding party of crippled old men let alone true Reavers.” Was the first words Asha Greyjoy had said to you. She had meant it as an insult, a slap to the face to you and Tywin. One that made your father nearly rage, but one you countered simply.
“Oh? How so? I did my best to read on Iron born tactics, but if it’s that bad, I’d love to hear your thoughts. Nothing beats a direct source.” You said with a smile, unaware you were talking to your betrothed, freshly stolen from the iron isles.
Not knowing how to handle your response, she punched you in the stomach and ran off. It took your father’s men three hours to capture her, after which she had her hands struck with a crop until they were red.
After crawling from your bed, your stomach still screaming in pain And completly evacuated from your vomiting, you found her in one of the secret passages you liked to sneak to, silently crying away from where anyone could see or hear.
>Try to comfort her
>Leave her to cry
>try to punch her back
>Ask her if she’s ready to share her opinion yet
>Ofher
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>>6385810
I don't think trying to ambush the crying teenager with red raw hands in retribution would have gone well.
My pondering is if she would handle actual empathy or allowing her to pretend she wasn't crying is the better move. Cause iron born
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>>6385823
I don't think we can pay the iron price my dude.
We're a year older but I think she was a reaver from the time she could get on a boat. Plus, you know, conforming to a lesser culture.
Of other note, there is the secret that people can be won over with kindness. Even someone who professes that might makes right, probably doesn't like being overpowered. Just got to chip down to what she enjoys and work past all the retarded framework the ironwork have self reinforced.
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>>6385831
Still. Tywin being an insecure tyrant doesn't mean that it's wrong. Tyrion the happy go lucky dwarf surely understands this lesson too, and has no traumas that would prevent the application of this lesson
>Clueless
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You silently listened for a time, a considered trying to comfort her like a gentlemen should, but your sore stomach was enough to convince you otherwise. You felt a pang of rage at the pain, and considered punching her back, but that would just be beating down on a girl already beaten both body and possibly soul. So, you considered a new option and boldly walked into her little alcove. You did not bother to hide, so she was quick to stand up and pull out a knife she had somehow found and hold it ready, glaring at you. You thought about running but honestly, she looked like she could run you down in skirts easy, so instead you sat across the hall from her, looking at her and remaining quiet as she stared at you, waiting for something.
“Are you ready to share it?”
Her eyes grew wide, and her stance loosened as she looked at you like you were simple “Wut?”
You ignored her manner of speaking, knowing that intelligence was not determined by visible factors. “Your opinions, your knowledge, your criticisms on my sea wall.” You said calmly, looking at her as if her face wasn’t puffy and her hands weren’t shaking from pain. “I tried to devise a way to counter the common tactics of the Iron born, studying what I could in the library and getting my brother Tyrion to help me, he’s smarter than I am. But you said it wouldn’t work, why?”
She looked at you, her stance melting to just confusion and disbelief “You…you want me to…I punched your stomach hard enough to knock you out.”
“Yes, and it still isn’t very pleasant. Doesn’t really have anything to do with what I asked. Though I’d prefer it if you didn’t do it again.”
“Or what, you’ll get your father to punish me again?”
The thought made you grow cold. No one deserved to be the recipient of your father’s wrath “No, I guess I’d have to defend myself.”
“I thought Greenlander men never struck women.” She said mocking, crossing her arms.
“Well…you’re not a Greenlander woman, so I suppose it wouldn’t count?” You say questioningly, meeting her gaze as you leaned back against the wall “Now, my sea wall? Because if you don’t have any actual opinions worth sharing, I’d like to go back to bed.”
This seemed to anger her, and you half expected her to kick you, but instead she sat down across from you and crossed her legs, her skirts torn and cut to allow her free range of motion “Your light houses are to close to the port.” She said confidently, defying you to disagree with her.
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>>6385846
Instead you considered the problem, chewing on your cheek before pointing at the idea “by the time they see the raiders and send warning, it’ll be too late?”
She looked shocked, nodding lightly “Y-yes. And your sea wall would give us cover in the right light to sneak up and kill the sentries.”
You nodded, considering your ideas. “The reach has plenty of history dealing with your raids, along with the north. Perhaps I should send a raven to relevant houses for ideas. Simply building light houses further up or down the coast isn’t enough, your fleet can go to sea and then approach in the night.” You pondered, standing up and not noticing Asha’s gazing growing sharp. You looked to her “anything else?”
“No, I’m not helping a Greenlander by telling him all our secrets.” She said with a snarl.
You shrugged “Fair enough. Thank you for what you did give though, it changes everything. I’m heading off to bed, if you are hungry go down this passage, left left right right straight, then behind the picture of the fat Lannister there is a servants passage no longer in use that goes straight to the kitchens. There should be left over food or even fresh bread at this hour.” You said, before walking off.
Asha was quiet for a time, then her stomach made her speak “W-wait what wa-“
“Down, left left right right straight fat Lannister!” You said quickly, wandering off to bed with your mind full of ideas.
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>>6385847
The next few days were a sort of tense. Asha rebelled at any attempt to bring her in line with the expectations of a young lady of her station, and for it she was punished either being denied meals, or having her hands smacked when she fought others, or any number of ways your father thought would quell her rebellion. From your perspective, you reasoned it was fruitless to try and use discipline and force to change Asha, force never worked in the Iron Born in the past and you doubted it would work now just because your father willed it.
You however, didn’t really have a solution to the problem. You just sort of, interacted with her. You never tried to coddle or console her, you felt that would get you another punch, and you were never one to resort to violence like your father. So what few encounters you had with the Lady Kraken, you spent them either giving her a tour of the vast halls of the rock, or letting her stew in silence when you stumbled into a hiding spot she thought was her own, only to discover you used it as one of many refuges from your father or your expectations.
One day, she grew bold and asked you “Can you show me how to get out? To escape?”
You nodded “Oh easily. I know all the passages and routes, even a perfect one that would give you plenty of a head start or one that’ll get you to sea.”
“Tell me then!”
“I do-“
She held a knife to your throat and met your gaze with hers, a gaze that perhaps might have made another man fear but compared to your father’s wrath is felt comical “tell me or I slit your throat.”
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>>6385854
“Well if you did that you’d get lost and then killed when my father found you using the model of the rock I made for him. And even if I told you, it wouldn’t matter.” You said matter of factly, feeling the blade get closer and your earlier cool slipping as you processed that mortal peril was the same regardless of the quality of the glare.
“Why, don’t think I can escape?”
“N-no, I know you can. I just know my father would find you, no matter what.”
Asha smirked “Oh Please, I could lose his scouts and his ships. I could disappear into the iron islands, make it back to my father.”
“Uh huh, then my father will burn every island he finds your scent to the ground. He would get the king to march his armies to pull you out of whatever place you found to hide, even if they had to burn your father’s castle to the ground.”
Asha looked at you like you were bluffing, then she saw that you weren’t “Why? All that work to just get me back? He doesn’t want me as a good daughter.”
“You don’t matter to him. He’d do it because you escaping makes him look weak, makes it look like he can be defied. To him, if you stay you’re a tool, if you escape you’re an insult…That’s how he sees everyone.” You say the last part quieter, feeling her take the blade away.
There was silence for a time, before you pointed to her knife “Where do you keep getting those? I’m pretty sure my father searched your rooms constantly.”
“I’ve been hiding knives I’ve picked off your guards all over the passages and halls.” She said, her voice dejected as she casually slipped the knife into a makeshift sheath.
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>>6385855
After a few weeks of Asha living with your family, your father put together and hosted a tourney to celebrate the victory against the Iron Born. Asha and you were expected to attend Publically, to represent house Lannister and to show off your betrothed. Until Asha reached her majority, Tywin did not want to risk appearing too eager to get the marriage over with. It was a level of tact you felt was more to appear like a proper lord than out of consideration for Asha or the law.
Asha was a terror to her ladies in waiting, the staff, and to any Lannister man who thought to get close to her. Though she was eventually forced into a fine dress in her house’s colors, your father had to keep guards close by to ensure she did not run off or take a knife to the fabric.
So there you were, the Heir to the rock and your betrothed, watching golden petals and knights dominate the city of Lannisport. From a certain distance, it might look like a story book come to life. Look closer though, one would find you bored, Asha livid, Tywin looking for any slight deviation from his perfect display, and Tyrion had wandered off, likely to drink. While you never developed a taste for wine like he did, you did miss when you could easily wander with your twin.
“Lord Jason?” Said a girls voice next to you, so close it made you jump as you shot to look at Asha, who was sitting up straight and proper, earning a brief glare from your father before he looked away.
“Y-yes, Lady Asha?”
“I grow weary of the sound and heat, might we retire to a tent for a time?” She asked, looking at you with a dignified face of a proper lady, but the eyes of a caged shadow cat ready to kill.
>Take Asha back to the tent, and hopefully give her a chance to do whatever it is she needed.
>Ignore the request in order to stay where your father desired you.
>Offer to instead take her to an Inn or tavern so you may introduce your brother to her
>other
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>>6385875
We have no real excuse when Tywin finds out. Can't exactly tell him "your means of force don't work on her" because his rebuttal is "force can make anyone do anything, I don't need them to like it" and our means of bonding still allows her to act in a wild/publicly disgraceful manner.
At best, the excuse we can make is "introducing her to tyrion and the small folk she will be ruling to impart a sense of obligation" which ideally he will just think is us being stupid rather than rebellious.
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>>6385881
Your words would have merit if there was any benefit to staying.
The parade is boring, Lord Tywin isn't going to approve of us staying since he would expect us to do that. Meeting expectations is a disappointment, and leaving is a disappointment.
We gain nothing by staying but an irate wife and gain censure by father and a few hours of good company and fun by going.
>>6385888
There is a time for setting boundaries, and that is when we actually meet those boundaries.
Like for example, picking on our twin or trying to clobber him for being a little shit. No, don't do that, we will intervene. Because that is a boundary.
Staying here in boredom is not.
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>>6385904
We are a "nothing special in every category required to be a noble" save architecture.
We put in the work, under parental pressure we did do some work that our uncles didn't find frustrating or tedious. So I can only assume our efforts are all at like a B- or B+
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>>6385904
You are about as bulked as one would expect of an average boy who has been practicing swordsmanship and staying fit. As a Lannister you were not allowed to simply idle in a study, but meant to shine as a Lord’s son. So, you are passable as a swordsman. Anyone with true skill or passion would probably beat you, but against the common man or untrained? Well you’d naturally outperform them.
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>>6385908
Also I’d say that, as a Lannister, you are naturally twink leaning. So with how you are, yeah you are a decently built twink. If you were blessed with beauty like your elder siblings, you might be rival to Lora’s or Jaime. But alas, you’re alright to look at.
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>>6385859
>Take Asha back to the tent, and hopefully give her a chance to do whatever it is she needed.
See what she wants first, since she remembered to ask nicely and the request itself is reasonable. If Tywin gets annoyed we can say that we thought it'd be embarrassing for the family if she passes out in public from the heat. You can beat someone into obedience, but you can't beat them into not having heat stroke.
From there, once inside the tent, we can maybe suggest also meeting Tyrion like >>6385862 said. It depends on what she wanted to retire for. Personally I don't think it'd be a good idea for the two to meet since she will ABSOLUTELY make fun of Tyrion for his height, and we'd either have to stick up for our twin which would cause her to dislike us, or we would go along with her mockery which would upset our brother.
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It took you a brief time to process what Asha asked, then translate it into what she meant, but you took a little pride in yourself when you checked to see if your father was in ear shot before you spoke, Asha giving you a slight smile.
(+1 disposition with Asha, -3/20)
“Of course My lady, it is rather balmy today, and I can only imagine how dreadful it is for someone used to a chiller climate.” You say, standing and offering your arm to Asha, who took it. As you lead her from the Lannister box, the guards assigned to her followed behind you both, your eyes meeting your fathers. His stare was baleful, a question and a demand all in one, but Asha’s arm around yours was tight and you could feel a sheathed dagger somewhere beneath her dress, so you dumbly waved to your father and kept walking, the picture of a noble gentleman escorting his betrothed.
You entered your tent, a private castle of canvas and cloth decorated Crimson and Gold, and your guards made to follow you in. Until Asha began to undress completely, to which you turned and pushed the guards back “Avert your eyes gentleman,” you said, propriety making you faster with wit than anything “My betrothed requires privacy.”
“B-but Mi’lord, your father gave us-“
“No orders to stare at the future Lady Lannister I would hope, less you are calling my father a deviant or admitting it yourselves.” You say, pushing them out of the tent, leaving them dumbfounded and confused on what to do “Oh, just stand guard out here. I doubt Lady Asha is so savage an Iron born she would escape into Lannisport without even her small clothes. Now, stand menacingly or something.” You say, closing the tent flaps and tying them shut, before stepping backwards and doing the same to the inner flaps. You did not turn around to look as you spoke, loud enough for Asha to hear but not her guards “So, I know I lack the charm and wit to have bested your heart,”
There was the sound of rustling and her dress flew and smacked into the tent wall, draping across some expensive decoration whose presence was more to spend money than enjoy “Oh, aren’t you perceptive.” Asha said with a laugh, her bra flying and landing by your feet. Twas a frilly thing.
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You looked away and cleared your throat “I have my moments. Did you have a plan beyond bask naked in the Lannister tent?”
“My plan was to get away from that farce, forced to sit all day and watch men fight and risk life for coin and acclaim, I get the appeal of fighting but watching it? In clothes like these? No wonder you Greenlanders panic when we raid you.”
“I’ll admit, I was rather bored myself, though my kind of a good time may bore you to tears.”
“Let me guess, playing with a model or reading some treatise on masonry?”
“Or a treatise on models, some fascinating insights can be hidden in those.” You say with a smile, hearing her sigh in exasperation.
“I’d be bound to the drowned god with all the tears I’d shed, enough for him to think the sea itself took me. I need excitement, I need something worth doing, something to get my blood burning.”
“I thought you disliked the heat,” you said, then flinched as her shoe hit your head. “Ow, no, fair retort.”
>Suggest she sneak out and join the melee as a mystery knight. You could stay hear and read a book, making it sound like you were reading to her while she rested.
>Suggest you both sneak out and find your Twin, Tyrion, who is no doubt in his cups or making merry at some tavern.
>Suggest she actually nap and stay in the tent, to avoid risking your father’s anger. Perhaps she’ll like your books if you read them to her.
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Jason's favorite god out of The Seven has to be The Smith, right?
Crafting, specifically construction and architecture, is his passion.
On a separate note, how do we think Jason should feel about the "secret relationship" between Jamie and Cersei?
Would he be disgusted, completely indifferent, sympathetic / pity them, or encouraging and supportive of them?
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>>6385929
If he were to pick a favored god, a patron god, then the smith would definitly be his first pick. Jaime would pick the warrior, Tywin the father, Cersei the mother, and Tyrion would likely drink to whichever god got their names shouted in the bar.
As for the incest, currently Jason is unaware of the incest, though Tyrion is aware.
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>>6385929
>On a separate note, how do we think Jason should feel about the "secret relationship" between Jamie and Cersei?
Either completely unsurprised or even funnier actually oblivious (It's not lego)
>>6385928
>Suggest she sneak out and join the melee as a mystery knight. You could stay hear and read a book, making it sound like you were reading to her while she rested.
I'd suggest something a lot more hotblooded but.......yeah
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>>6385928
>Suggest you both sneak out and find your Twin, Tyrion, who is no doubt in his cups or making merry at some tavern.
I don't like having to sneak out, but I'd rather do this than to risk watching her get turned into a smear on the ground.
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>>6385928
>Other: Suggest sneaking down to the harbor and boats where she might feel more at home. He can help her build a small private shrine to The Drowned God that she can visit and pray at when she misses home. Jason can also tell her about Lannister ships, so that if she still dreams of running away and escaping, she can at least not get herself killed.
I agree with >>6385931 , Ironborn or not, letting a 15 year old girl fight in a tournament sounds like a disaster.
Suggesting that she take a nap is the exact opposite of what she's told us that she needs. This would leave the Tyrion option, which I think is way better than the other ideas, but I'm still worried about my earlier concern that she might treat him horribly due to his height.
>>6385933
Oh I get that Jason is unaware atm. I was just wondering how all the anons think he would react, and subsequently feel about it.
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>>6385946
Then put down ground rules. We have given enough leeway that losing us as an ally would be poor for her.
I don't think a shrine is the best idea in the world, but talking about the ships also doesn't sound like it fits what she wants to do either.
Unless you fancied taking her sailing, and trusting she doesn't try to run again.
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>>6385955
So we absolutely cannot make a shrine in lanister lands dedicated to the drowned God.
That would be a scandal and a sign of weakness and the religion is also dogshit.
That being said, making secret rooms is fun, designing buildings is very fun and giving a personal room to our spouse as a gift for homesickness could be some approval gaining measures.
Need to balance out the scales though. Human relationships work best when the scale is 60/40 in terms of effort, and each side trying to be the 60.
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>>6385952
Actually good idea, start with ships and Ironborn lego building and go from there, if she behaves herself (I.E we don't have to keep covering her ass because of Tywin) she'll eventually get some freedom to travel to lannisport with us.
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>>6385952
Oh yeah, in that case if we're able to set up some ground rules, then meeting with Tyrion is the way to go.
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>>6385959
Having the shrine be known about is obviously a bad idea. This would be something secret, just for her. A spot amongst the cliffs above the waves where she can pray or simply be alone. We already know that she has regularly tried to find hiding places in the secret passageways where she can have some privacy; this would be one that even Tywin doesn't know about.
Since we're not doing it today, Jason could start on it now so that it would be ready in time to make for a nice wedding gift to her. He does like to build things after all.
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>>6385944
>but yeah unless you guys want this rellationship to go to shit the passivity and ''softness'' needs to be changed soon.
We have had three votes that affect Asha's disposition with us. We have improved her disposition towards us with all three of them, and lowered it with none. You should relax. She's a traumatized teenager, and being kind and patient is going to steadily earn her affection and respect. We haven't had any votes where it would benefit us to control her or take charge, and in the books/show she actually is kind of a reformist among the Ironborn, wanting to move away from a lot of their inferior, regressive ideology, I think we should be an example of why that can work out for the best.
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>>6385968
>Since we're not doing it today, Jason could start on it now so that it would be ready in time to make for a nice wedding gift to her. He does like to build things after all.
Very smart! I think we should make sure she gives a shit about the Drowned God first, iirc she doesn't actually worship him, but that may be a decision she makes later in life. A nice alcove in the cliff side for watching ships by telescope would still probably make her plenty happy if she tells us Gods can kick rocks.
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“Here’s a thought,” You said, smiling to yourself as you felt a bit of thrill at this slight rebellion “We should go meet my Twin, Tyrion!”
“The Imp?” Asha said.
“Tyrion.” You said, steel suddenly finding root in your voice as your body stiffened. You could not see Asha’s reaction, but you continued on, your tone rising “He’s no doubt found himself drink and merriment aplenty, and much to my father’s consternation, he always manages to find the wrong kind of crowd, which may be just right for you My lady.” you say, though a bit teasingly at the end.
There was silence as fabric shifted, trunks were opened, and belts were strapped, before she let out a sigh “Fine, I’ll play along” She said, tossing a set of more roughspun clothes, the kind one wore when they were going out riding or planned to experience a more rough and tumble kind of day. Turning, you saw that Asha had transformed, wearing breeches and a shirt, along with boots and belts, a comfortable sheath for her stolen knife at her hip. She smiled at you “Well hurry up little Lion, we have an i-” You eyes grew close to a glare as the syllable began, and you noticed a sharpness enter Asha’s own gaze as she adjusted “We have a twin to find.”
Appeased, you made to undress then looked at her “I suppose privacy isn’t an option for me?”
She rolled her eyes “Oh hurry up, you don’t have tits or cunt hide, so quit acting like you do.” She said, falling back onto a chair and propping her feet up on an expensive table, grabbing a fruit as she watched, taking a big bite as she waved you forward.
Rolling your eyes, you redressed, not seeing her appraising look over your body. After that, you both being in clothing much better suited for tavern crawling, you both snuck out from the tent by crawling beneath the heavy tarp, dirtying your clothes, and ran off.
Asha used her skills as a reaver to move without being seen by Lannister men, and you used your own skills at hiding from your father’s wrath to hide in her shadow, though you made a poor shadow when compared to her movements.
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It took you a few taverns, all ones your brother frequented, but eventually you found him in the one closer to the eastern gate, one that had what looked like a golden bear wearing a barrel. You assumed the name was the Drunken Bear, ignoring how the engraving of the sign once gave the bear a mane, and pushed into the bar to find your brother with the biggest smile you’ve ever seen on him.
There were two chicken carcasses on the table, a bottle of wine, and a peasant girl smiling and laughing with your brother. They sat close to one another, her hand close to his, and his gaze flooding with mirth and joy not brought on by drink. Your first instinct was to pause, the voice of your father almost saying something in your head, before joy took its spot as you stepped forward “Tyrion!” You called out, making your brother jump, looking at you then smiling bright.
“Well, if it isn’t the heir of the rock himself, and his lovely Kraken bride, come to mingle with the public instead of enjoying the tourney?” Your brother said, his mood seeming to only improve with you here. “Is father aware you are here, or have you finally grown sick of his little play?”
“I’ll have you know dear brother,” you say, sliding in on the other side of his table with Asha right behind you, Asha seeming to already be enjoying the change in surroundings “That I am always sick of his play, yet not much I can do when I am always the centerpiece. I have Lady Asha to thank for today,” You said, nodding your head to Asha as she is ordering a mug of ale and cut of roast “ for you see the fair maiden found the heat and noise of the day too much, and asked to escort her to the tent to retire.” You said, laughing through pain as Asha glared at you and punched your arm hard “Ow, no fair retort.”
Tyrion looked to Asha, who met his gaze. There was something being exchanged here, some silent battle that you lacked the wit or grace to fully unravel, but the Smile stayed on Tyrion’s face as he passed some coin to Asha “Ah, then as thanks for stealing my eternally mortar minded twin away, drink and eat all you wish.” he said with a laugh, the peasant girl at his side staying quiet but seeming to grow more comfortable with your presence.
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>>6385979
“Ha, careful there, such an invitation, I may just bleed you dry on principle.” Asha said, pocketing the coin and flagging the tavern wench to order more.
As Asha made herself comfortable, you looked to the girl at Tyrion’s side and offered a friendly smile, offering your hand and bowing your head “Ah, where are my manners, I am Jason Lannister, the less handsome twin to my brother Tyrion,” you said, watching her eyes widen as she took mental stock on your appearance with Tyrion “Yes yes i know, I try not to ruin my brother’s fun by venturing into the light too often.” You say, earning a good natured chuckle from Tyrion and a smile from his lady friend “What is your name My lady, if you would do me the honor?”
The peasant girl, properly eased into the presence of more nobility, spoke in a shy voice “Tysha, Mi’lord.”
“A lovely name, perfect for you.” you say, looking at them both “Now what did my brother do to earn your attention on this day? Nothing crass I hope?”
Tyrion and Tysha made a look to one another, but Tysha blushed as Tyrion spoke “Oh w-well, On our way here, Jaime and I saw her being accosted by some rogues. So, being noble gentlemen, we acted.”
“What, did you bare your wit at them dwarf?” Asha asked, downing her mug as your fist clenched.
“Ah, sadly I wished to show them mercy this day, my good deed for the week you could say, so I allowed Jaime to handle them while I tended to Tysha. I took her to this Inn due to how close it was, and I stayed with her until she felt safe. And well, we’ve sort of lost track of time.” he said, a smile so real and warm that you were sure Tyrion had never felt the way he did now.
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“A fine deed, and story Tyrion.” You said, smiling happily at your brother, taking your glass of wine and raising it to him “May we lose all sense of time, so we can enjoy it all the more.” You say, your brother raising his glass, Tysha raising hers hesitantly, and then you all clinked your cups together, everyone nearly spilling as Asha joined in, making you all laugh as she joined you all in a drink.
From there, it was drink after drink, and meal after meal, the children of Tywin Lannister denied nothing and those children spending as Lannisters did. Eventually, Tysha and Tyrion disappeared, hurriedly going to a room above while you and Asha drank and ate, and sang along to the bard’s songs. After One too many verses of “The Bear and the Maiden Fair”, Asha let out a relieved sigh, her face flushed from drink and merriment.
“I must say, I thought you would be the kind of man to lock himself in a library, a grey rat in all but name, but you seem to be adequate at having fun.” She said, you laughing at the phrase as you drank your own mug of mead, switching to it once Wine lost its taste.
“That’s Jason Lannister for you, the middling son in all regards.” You said, bringing you mug to you mouth to drink, only to stop when you heard asha say.
“Heh, middling in all ways but height, thanks to your brother the Imp.” She said, then she flinched when you slammed your drink to the table, spilling it slightly.
“Tyrion. His name is Tyrion, not Imp, not Dwarf, not half man or bane or doom or whatever other fowl name you’ve learned to call him.” You said, your stare steady, your jaw tense, and your fist clenched as you spoke with raw steel “I will not warn you again Lady Asha.”
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>>6385981
She looked at you shocked, then glared back at you as she leaned forward “Oh, you are warning me now little lion? You think you can command me like your father, that you can control what I say or do? Think I won’t gut you for trying? We’re not near any of your guards, or your father. I could stick you now, then be gone before he realizes his heir is rotting in the gutter.” She said, standing up and looming over you, steel in her voice now, her own body tense, and an anger in her eyes “So why don’t you meekly drink that spine back up, you craven little rat, while I call your brother for what he is: A Imp demon who killed you m-”
You’re not sure about what happened between the two points in your memory. At one point, you were sitting at your table, shaking in rage as you looked up at Asha as she spoke those foul words.
The next moment, she was one the ground holding her jaw, blood coming from the corner of your mouth as your knuckles screamed in pain. That didn’t seem right, you never were the violent sort. She had simply been talking, saying something about… OH, you remembered now. Your fists clenched in rage as you glared down at her.
She stood up, rubbing her jaw, appraising the damage. Then her eyes locked with yours, her own rage on display.
>She mentioned your mother as well, throw another punch.
>Tell her you warned her
>Calm down, try to apologize before this gets out of hand
>other
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>>6385988
I'm betting she will give as good as she gets.
She seems to resent the implication of being controlled, we can try to mitigate it by making very clear that our brothers are our boundary line.
But I honestly think she will have more respect for that spine staying firmly intact. This is the "make or break" point of the relation.
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>>6385982
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>"He's to be your brother by law and you'll treat him with all the due respect of such. He welcomed you here, you shared drink. I've no qualms if you wish to wear armor and sail ships, you needn't play the noble lady for me, Asha, but I won't have the one place you join the chorus of those gilded, squawking courtiers be the mockery and torment of my twin... Now wipe off your blood and let's drown this nastiness with another drink. If we can't mind our tempers we'll have to suffer through the rest of the tourney and a torment of our own."
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>>6385991
Yeah, I think this is a great place to stand up to her, but if we push back TOO hard, we cement ourselves as another Lannister tyrant. She is oppositionally defiant, which is totally understandable as she's essentially a hostage.
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>>6385992
Do.you think you will get through that speech before she clobbers you in the jaw?
I'm fine with the speech but, and it must be made crystal clear here, we must be willing to continue a Brawl if she keeps talking shit.
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>>6385996
I mean, it's just like three sentences, so idk about 'speech', but I assume that if she interrupts him by attacking, he will still fight back just as hard? We can put our foot down on the issue by being clear about it as a boundary while also de-escalating this conflict. We are never going to be stronger than her so if being a wifebeater is our long term plan to keep her in line, we are both going to be miserable and we'll probably die with seawater in our lungs. I think an honest hit was earned here, and we've been drinking, it's good to show some spine. I think senseless to not try and lower the temperature and explain why it's shitty for her to talk like that. If we dive into more of a fight here, it's likely we will lose and also get snagged by Lannister guards, causing us to disappoint our father on multiple levels and just create distance with Asha.
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>>6386009
Yeaaah, we are the heir. But we don't have any power to oppose the lord paramount, warden of the west, man who holds the purse and oaths of every man in the city.
We would need our own power bloc to make any changes to things.
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>>6386003
I think we should conspire with Tyrion and Asha to do something to embarrass Tywin or take something he cares about for our own, maybe some super expensive wine or something? With our talents combined:
>Tyrion's brain and nimbleness
>Asha's Reaver skills
>Jason's autism
We should be able to accomplish quite a bit if we want...It could be our first heist.......
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>>6386016
You're assuming we'll get caught? I want to avenge Tyrion, if we can't defend him when the ordeal happens. In the books, there is no one to have his back. We are his twin, and I think Asha would be on board if only to upset Tywin, making this a great opportunity for the three of us to bond.
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>>6386022
Idk how we can be collectively taking the position that we have to stand up to our teenage girl wife with violence if she speaks disrespectfully about Tyrion to assert our strength... but also sheepishly look the other way when our strong powerful father traumatizes Tyrion horrifically and breaks his heart. It isn't morally consistent at all, it isn't principled, and it makes us look weak and petty to be willing to hit a hostage Asha for some shit talk but piss our boots and abandon Tyrion when Tywin is so much more devastatingly cruel.
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>>6386032
Because we CAN stand up to the teenager, and we CAN'T stand up to Tywin.
Do you understand the difference in power? Do you want to murder Tywin? Because if you don't then he will do what he wants and have us flogged in private for the temerity.
Morally it isn't consistent, but guess what, Trying to follow those morals will get us hurt, Tyrion just as hurt and his peasant love just as raped. So we aren't going to stop jack and shit, and we are not going to try.
If you would like to try, first we should stand in front of a stampeding herd and command it to turn around by our authority as lord of the land.
It will work just as well.
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>>6386032
>but also sheepishly look the other way when our strong powerful father
You answered yourself.
We're not fucking superman, we cannot just "stand up" to motherfucking Tywin. Giving him this manne of covert support is the absolute best we can. You are mindbogglingly retarded if you think we can just "stand up" to him like this is some sort of family friendly show. The fact that you also want to make it about "Muh thief" makes it clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Please stop being dumb.
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>>6386036
>Because we CAN stand up to the teenager, and we CAN'T stand up to Tywin.
So what you're saying is, we can stand up for Tyrion but only when it's easy and we have more power in the situation, but not when there are real risks, and thus actual meaning? I mean, we're just gonna see how anons vote when shit hits the fan, but I for one am going to push for a Jason who is brave and doesn't operate just like Tywin, I think it will earn more of Asha's respect, and it's important to be able to live with ourselves.
>t. A twin in real life and I would defend her against anyone, even my parents, even someone with all the money and power and weapons in the world. I'm not a sociopath like Cersei or a scared little pussy like Jaime.
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>>6386032
Welcome to living in the shadow of Tywin, a bastard of a man who will inflict pain and suffering to sooth his ego for the slightest ruffling of it you either get in line to avoid the abuse or get trampled by it.
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>>6386038
You aren't standing up for shit. You are just standing next to a bomb and hoping that your interference will make it stop rather than take out both of you.
To be worth me doing shit, it would need to spirit Tyrion away from the scene with his lady love.
Once she is kidnapped and in the barracks, Game over. Bad game, no re.
Can't fight worth shit. Can't remove tyrion from the event. We don't even know it is about to happen in character. . Just. .
The only tangible aid we could give is if we knew Tywin was spinning a story about being a paid whore, and could keep tabs on her as she left to break the news after.
Anything else, Like stealing something or spoiling a plan or whatever isn't Helping anyone. It isn't standing up to anything. It's petty revenge trying to be something helpful when it isn't.
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>>6386038
>So what you're saying is, we can stand up for Tyrion but only when it's easy
Okay, let me put it in the simplest possible way you can understand it, anon:
We cannot actually stop Tywin from mistreating Tyrion. We cannot "Call CPS" on him or just beat the shit out of him like some redneck beating up his abusive father. We quite literally cannot lay a hand on Tywin.
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"roll d20 to see how retarded you are"
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Don't care if he has a platinum Christmas album, we are the heir, we WILL replace him, and when we have children Asha won't be able to tell them that we only had fire for Tyrion's honor when it put us against a hostage teenage girl, and lost it all when our shitty dad inflicted world ending trauma. I don't want to be like Tywin, or co-sign his deranged behavior - it literally does more damage to house Lannister than any of our enemies.
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We could just avoid the whole Tysha problem, by convincing Tyrion to not marry her outright and keep her out of Tywin's sight. That'd be less likely to cause problems and let the little guy be happy, even if it wouldn't be a perfect solution. But Tywin went full scorched earth cause Tyrion married Tysha, a lowborn
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>>6386050
Literally NONE of what you say makes it actually feasible. Again, do you know what setting you are in? Tywin can have us flogged if he wants to, he can do literally anything the hell he wants because he's a powerful psycho in a mudcore medieval setting.
You are way too emotional and have lost connection to reality.
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>>6386052
Buddy... Relax.
This isn't reality. It's a game we are playing together. We don't agree on the best move when this predictable tragedy comes to pass, and we don't need to in order to continue to play - this is done with a plurality of votes. We can state our reasoning without it having to be personal. I am not suggesting you are deranged or a coward just because it would be cowardly for Jason to not try anything to support his twin brother.
It's also a game in a setting where one of the greatest and most successful heroes was a hedge knight who kicked and hit a member of the royal family over far less than this. People in the ASOIAF universe do sometimes make brave, principled, and dangerous decisions without it ending in disaster.
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>>6386053
Ah yes. The most sane thing to post to how much people are chimping out LMAO. The absurdity is good way to shortcircuit people's brain so they can reset and go: "Wait a minute... why am I chimping out when we can't even vote about a hypothetical situation?"
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>>6386061
Well, Dunk was a lowborn from flea bottom. We are the heir to the Lannister dynasty. We aren't as tall as him, but at the point where he attacked that dragonfag he was probably only barely more trained than we are now, with his mass making up the real difference in the fight. I just can't be convinced that Tyrion's twin would do nothing at all, and seeing as open, direct defiance would not be very effective, I just have to imagine he would try to do something more quietly and attempt to get away with it. He may get flogged (I am sure not for the first time or last), he may also be subjected to twisted mind game cruelty, but I think it's worth the risk. I understand why you and other anons feel differently, and if your votes pan out, I hope that Asha does not recognize the disparity in our indignation and loyalty for what it is, cowardice, and I hope she doesn't think less of us for it. She'd have every right to. Hard not to get ahead of ourselves when we are going to keep seeing tragedies and ordeals just on the horizon...
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>>6386073
Duncan was dealing with honourable and upright Targarynns who thought their brood was being an abusive little shit. And had the support of 3 of that little shits relatives.
Duncan still had to enter a death match to make him remove the charges, or he would lose two limbs.
Duncan still had no legal authority or protection for what he did and still got his ass beaten for it.
Duncan acted for Honour and that was recognised by just enough people who also hated the Targaryans for it to matter. If he was 1 person shy, or the shit's uncles didn't want to entertain his notions of right and wrong, He would have lost a hand and a foot.
We are dealing with Twyin Lanister. A man who doesn't care about honour, he cares about his reputation and being feared. You will obey, or you will be forced to obey.
He is the highest lord in the land, a Duke under any other title, and has the authority and weight of the greatest house of the realm to crush anyone he chooses, and he is more than willing to use it.
Under this governance, he is a protected class who cannot be made to be held to account except by war.
You cannot oppose that without something more substantial than "it's not right what he did".
Help our brother in the aftermath. Do not get run over out of misplaced delusion that the world will reward this behaviour.
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>>6385982
>Tell her you warned her
Hitting her wasn't very kingly, but backing down and apologizing just makes Jason look like a pussy. Even worse it means he's emotional and will lash out only to later backpeddle rather than take action and stand by his decision.
If we want to try and reconcile with her, we can offer to let her hit us back in the face a single time. We hit her once, she gets to hit us once. Fair's fair. It shows that Jason is willing to get punched in the face to uphold Tyrion's dignity, rather than just abuse his bride whenever he gets pissed off.
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I think an important part about this current situation is that we can't have an actual relationship with Asha is she has literally no respect for us.
Hitting her isn't the way to go, but we've already done it. The proper way to have gone about things is to show that we won't spinelessly back down when she pushes us. That said, she IS an Ironborn, so maybe violence is the only language she'll understand sometimes. At the very least, she might respect that we hit her with our own hands rather than how Tywin is cowardly enough to have someone else do it for him.
Standing up for Tyrion is important, but don't underplay the significance of standing up to Asha.
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In regards to standing up to Tywin, we at least have a tiny amount of leverage since Jason is the current heir. Tywin can't just kill us. The question is whether we try to scheme something to achieve a greater outcome, or if it's better that we just act in the heat of the moment by doing something rash.
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Lmao
Jason "The Brown Lion" Lannister
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>>6386117
>Hitting her isn't the way to go, but we've already done it. The proper way to have gone about things is to show that we won't spinelessly back down when she pushes us.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I think it's natural for a tipsy Jason to have lost his shit and struck her, and as I said in my write-in/other remarks I think the best play now is to clearly explain why we did that and why we think she should change the way she talks about Tyrion before we let it be bygones and have another drink together. Fighting her more is childish and we should only do it if we have to defend ourselves, it'll only lower her respect for us, especially if she beats us - which is highly likely. Pressing her to apologize to us after we hit her is a Joffrey or Tywin move, I think also unlikely to find purchase. It seems to me the best way to work with Asha is to be sure to stand up for ourselves on the things that are important, we def can't be a doormat, but we have to be a peacemaker too, and we have to respect her enough to believe that it's worthwhile to explain to her flatly that we care about Tyrion's dignity and her doing the same. We shouldn't encourage her to be defiant, it's in her nature already. We should show her that the two of us are on the same team now.
>We hit her once, she gets to hit us once. Fair's fair. It shows that Jason is willing to get punched in the face to uphold Tyrion's dignity, rather than just abuse his bride whenever he gets pissed off.
I think that's really reasonable, and would be glad to tack that onto my write-in to help lower the temperature.
>The question is whether we try to scheme something to achieve a greater outcome, or if it's better that we just act in the heat of the moment by doing something rash.
To clarify, though I feel I was already, I don't think it'd be fruitful to openly and loudly defy Tywin - though I would vote to do so if there weren't better options, I do feel strongly about pushing for a Jason that navigates these things differently than his busted family members. We may be mediocre in many regards, but we can cultivate Jason into being well above average in his honor and courage, which I think will be crucial for giving him some kind of edge as the game progresses, personally. We don't have to be as stupid or stubborn as Ned Stark to hold onto the same values, and benefit from the reputation they provide. I feel sure there must be some way we can use our skills, and Asha's, to get back at Tywin without him finding out it was us. I respect other anons wanting to play this differently, but I don't wanna just keep our head down and play in the sandbox. As a player here my goal is for Jason to be more deserving of the Lannister dynasty than Tywin is, and to do more for the Lannister legacy than he has without being an evil abusive tyrant in the process. We are well positioned to do that if we have some balls about it and leverage our limited strengths the right way...
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>>6386161
To reiterate and rephrase a previous point.
We want to help Tyrion.
We dont/Can't prevent Tywin doing what he wants, or steal from him or thwart his other plans in the game.
To quote Brennan Lee Muligan "if you say you are going to help someone, You have to actually help them. You can't jack off on the subway and scream "this one's for the troops"."
Be there for him, Keep him company, Stop the heartbreak and pain from being filled with wine and whoring.
If we know or figure the truth out, Tell him. Stuff we can do. Any revenge short of a crossbow is just not enough for the reprisal it will entail.
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Yeah, I hope the punch was just a result of too much alcohol and several hours of familial irritation.
Being a nasty drunk is a terrible thing
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Yah, we gotta grind and level up as hard as we can while we are still young and have free time to do so. I think regardless of how this conflict with Asha shakes out we should immediately tell her (joke with her, even) that we are a punk and if we were able to clock her she ought to train with the guys that taught Jaime so it can't happen again LOL
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You did not wither beneath Asha’s glare, even as you saw her stance begin to shift and her rage begin to boil over. You had to settle this before it escalated any further, but by the seven would you never back down to her on this “He’s to be yo-” Then her fist connected with your face.
“Listen Jason,” Uncle Tygett said as your mind went back to that day when you were ten “When you get hit, don’t try and be a wall. You’re not made of brick and mortar like your models, you’re flesh and bone. Roll with the punches, they’ll hurt but they’ll do less serious damage and you’ll bring your enemy closer.” he said, watching you get up as you fought back tears, your cheek swelling already “I know it hurts boy, but tough it out. This world can do a lot worse than a broken lip to you, so best get ready to roll with whatever it throws at you. Now, put your fists up, keep ‘em eye level. That’s right, now your footing. Good. Now, pay back that debt, hit me.”
The memory had you throw a fist, then reality came back as your fist nearly slammed into the side of Asha’s head, Asha stumbling back and weaving beneath your fist as she looked at you wide eyed as you took a boxer’s stance. You couldn’t help but smile, she didn’t expect you to stand your ground. Your cheek was bleeding, but you had remembered your lessons. “He’s to be your good brother Asha,” you said, spitting a wad of blood to the ground “and you’ll treat him with respect. He shared drink and food with you, and welcomed you warmly. I don’t care if you rebel against every aspect of this life, you can just stay Asha if the noble lady isn’t something you’ll stomach. Do not, however, make the one thing you choose to mimic of the people here be the torment of my brother. He is a better man than most, and will have the respect he’s due, not as a Lannister but as my brother.” You said, keeping ready but lowering your fists slightly “Now, we gonna wipe this blood off and get back to drinking and eating in honor of Brother’s heroics, or will we continue this and b make the rest of the day a torment of bruises and scraps.”
Asha met your eyes, searching for what you could only assume was greenlander weakness, some crack that proved you were just some meek kitten pretending to roar. The patrons in the inn watch, many intrigued and some concerned. The Innkeep rose to try and deescalate the situation. Then Asha smirked, tensing herself “So the lion’s got claws, and a roar. Let’s see how sharp and loud.” She said, and surged forward.
Three blows shot out from Asha, 2 of which hit your arms and the third found a way through your guard and hit your stomach. You took the punch, ready for it this time and sent you own flurry of attacks, Asha ducking and weaving them all but looking more and more interested. You managed to force her back into slamming into a patron at the bar.
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At that point, a brawl was inevitable. Whether it was due to the drink, the chaos, or the blows to your head, you don’t remember much from the barfight. You do remember Asha dragging you through the back alleys then back into the Lannister tent, a smile on her face and light in her eyes you hadn’t seen since she arrived.
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She dropped you on the sofa in the tent, laughing as you let out a groan as you landed on a particularly bad bruise “Oh quit your whining, you’re still alive and nothing’s broken.”
“Say that to my ribs. Do all ironborn women fight like that?”
Asha laughed, dunking a soft towel in cool water and throwing it at you, it landed on your face with a splat and you left it there because it was soothing on your swelling face “Everyone pays the Iron price, and a girl’s gotta make sure the price is right.”
“It’s a miracle any Ironborn men are left then,” You say, relaxing on the sofa in repose, until Asha slapped your legs, making you move them so she could sit down next to you.
There was a silence that settled between you, a comfortable one that surprised you as you let the cool towel do its work on your face.
Eventually, Asha broke the silence “You really care about Tyrion that much?”
> “Someone has to…”
> “He’s my brother, of course…”
> “No, I just enjoy beating women…”
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>It would seem that Asha loves the kind of man that can kick her ass
It sounds more like she kicked our ass, and I am gladly surprised that it doesn't piss her off that she's able to, and doubly glad, and doubly surprised, we didn't get hauled out by Lannister guards.
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>>6386270
The most important thing about the fight is that we made it clear that there are boundaries she isn't allowed to cross, even if we DO tolerate a lot of her... eccentricities. She in turn got to learn that her twink lover, whom she can still beat up at least, isn't a complete wuss and does have a spine. So she gets to feel both secure in her strength in a situation where she feels weak and assured her man isn't a useless weakling.
Not to mention she even flirted with us in a very blatant fashion but in an ironborn way that we completely missed the meaning of since we are a Greenlander. If we ever brought up what she said to another Ironborn she would try to kill us out of sheer embarrassment, and the Ironborn will die laughing their asses off.
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She just tried VERY hard to seduce us in an Ironborn fashion as she is DTF but was too drunk to realize we aren't Ironborn and therefore cocked blocked herself unless the write up is different. If we somehow remember it when we're sober and ask another Ironborn about it, she'll try to kill us.
Knowing her though, she is definitely gonna force sex to happen before the wedding out of spite and need for control. As I very much doubt she wants to lose her virginity in a Greenlander fashion.
At least we know we are her type even if poor Jason isn't getting the message of just how DTF she is. If she insists on Ironborn seduction, we'll end up waking up chained to a bed or a boat, naked with her on top of us. Will be funnier if she tries to flirt with us in a Greenlander fashion, so we might actually notice her attempts.
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Wait I have a question if we take a boat trip with our fiancée, Tyrion, and Tysha would it be possible to avoid Tywin finding out and raging? Since he'll be busy in King's Landing? Is the timing possible? Not like they have to get married in Westeros...and honestly it will be much safer that way.
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>>6386306
ther issue is that, Tywin will not be going to kings landing for at least a decade or longer. You are 16, mere months after the end of the Grey Joy rebellion.
And the tysha situation occured over a couple weeks or months at best. Time is gonna be rough. Tyrion will soon be looking for a drunken Septon to marry him and tysha.
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>>6386310
Oh well, I got the times mixed up and I doubt we'll be allowed on a boat anytime soon given how hard Asha has resisted. Hopefully, we can stop him and remind him paramours are a thing. Tywin only got super pissed due to the marriage itself and wouldn't have cared if it was just a paramour.
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Yeah, and even if Tyrion had not married her, Tywin would still see it as an opportunity to make him suicidal by obliterating his joy and traumatizing him. Playing armchair pathologist, I imagine his surface thoughts are something like 'How dare my progeny embarrass me and our house by marrying to a lowborn peasant, and how dare he spend the political currency of a noble bachelor - even one of his stature and appearance - for no gain at all? He is a traitor and a disappointment and I must make an example of this to correct the behavior forever.'
While his deeper thought under that, which he is too much of a coward to admit to himself, is 'Tyrion is like my own father, consorting with a filthy lowborn, I can retrosctively punish my tormentor by tormenting Tyrion the way I wish my father had been'
And deep below that is 'I fucking hate Tyrion and this is the first time he has felt truly happy and had real self esteem and I must utterly, cataclysmically destroy that joy with all of the cruelty I am capable of'
And maybe below that is a measure of jealousy at the idea that Tyrion would choose love for himself and have control over his life, when Tywin has made himself into a pathetic slave for his legacy at the cost of any sense of liberty for himself and his family that might actually make life worth living.
The most important trait of Tywin's is his utter cowardice, really. He ignores the incest, he ignores Tyrion's brilliance, he lies to himself constantly to affirm his rigid, comforting cage of a worldview. He chooses autocratic violence in every possible regard because it is less scary to him than kindness or vulnerability. He ends up with no true friends, and really no family, and it sets everyone around him on totally destructive paths and gets himself killed. I genuinely believe the safest thing we can do for our house is reject his philosophy and remodel our dynasty around something a lot more pragmatic. We should maintain our strength and status, but we have to ditch some of the ruthlessness and at least the reputation for scheming. We should be known to not just repay debts, but also friendship, and kinship. Joffrey's derangement is largely a product of his incest brain and Cersei + Robert's miserable ''''parenting''', but it is also a distillation of what house Lannister has become under Tywin: entitled, petty, cruel, arrogant, and sick.
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Yeah they're both sweet but largely unremarkable. Tommen would've been an awesome and acceptable king if Cersei and Tywin both had aneurysms in their sleep two days after his coronation. Jaime would've been the Dad That Stepped Up, and probably been chill to work with Olenna bc he doesn't have dynasty brain-worms.
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King Tommen the Just, young enough to not have the sense of right and wrong beaten out of him, old enough to not listen to his caretakers. Singlehandedly averts bloody war with the North by issuing a heartfelt admission of wrongdoing by the Lannisters (because killing someone's dad is fucked up) and just saying "Fuck it, leave the North. They can be independent for all I care, just bottle them up if they try and leave the Neck."
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Literally. No freaks in the wings hand-wringing about a Lannister with the last name Baratheon being 'manipulated' by the Tyrell's. No religious revivalist nonsense, and if there were, the Tyrell's would properly shut it the fuck down this time. Off-ramp war with the North. Lannister army actually does march to fight the Night King when shit hits the fan.
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>>6386349
Hell, if Stannis gets pissy and finds out/reveals that Tommen isn't technically a Baratheon (and assuming that he doesn't figure out that Tommen was an incest baby specifically) they could keep it to the inner circle and move around around into marrying him with Shireen to bring Baratheon blood back onto the throne.
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“Someone has to…” You said without much thought, thinking to your brother before continuing “It’s not like he doesn’t have family who cares for him. Our uncles and aunts show him kindness, and Jaime does what he can to be there for him.” You say, then pulled the cloth from your face to stare at the tent above “But my father and Cersei, they hate with the potency of 7 each. He’s said it once to me, that he may as well be a bastard, for that is what his dwarfism makes him in our father’s eyes, but beyond that…” You say, remembering a portrait of your mother you found, hidden away in the rock. You wondered sometimes why, that perhaps it was too painful for your father. “My Mother, she is like a legend to me. Like a maiden from the age of heroes. The great Johanna Lannister, the woman who gave Tywin Lannister a heart, the woman who had stared into the Old Lion’s eyes and found something to love…”
You closed your eyes, Asha’s words from the tavern flashing in your mind, your fists clenching “I was born that day too, her blood is on my hands as much as his…Cersei sees that, and is at least fair with her hatred. But My Lord father…He hates my brother unfairly, and makes me heir when my brother is the better man for the job. He is smarter, more charismatic, and more like my father than I am.” You said, then looked to Asha “Never tell my father i said that. He stopped talking to my Aunt genna for a year when she said something similar, and he loves her. I’d hate to see what he’d do to me.” You said, leaning back.
“You don’t think he loves you?”
Asha’s question made you pause, you had spoken without thinking. But thinking about it, you had heard of what other fathers were like, had met lesser lords and their sons, seen how they speak and act with one another. You pushed down the tightness in your chest, closing your eyes to keep them dry as you let out a sigh “...I think my father buried his heart with my mother. I think he gave it back to the only woman with the power to make it beat. Now, I think its like what I told you…You’re either a tool, or you’re an insult. I’m barely a tool, I function well enough even if everyday he’d prefer Jaime to be the heir. Tyrion has his uses, and his Lannister name means that he is still a noble, and still useful for an alliance at the very least if someone will take him. Of his children, I think Cersei is the closest to having his regard, and that’s only after she announced her pregnancy and gave him a grandson in line to the throne.” You said, partly happy you knew affection from your Aunts and uncles, and partly wishing you were ignorant of what it was supposed to be like.
“Me and my Brother are closer than anything, we came into this world together. So if someone has to love him, then it should be me without condition.”
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Asha was silent for a long time, a long time that you used to organize your thoughts and feelings. Then she pressed a rag to your cut cheek and you hissed as it burned “Quit that, I tore it good so need to make sure it doesn’t fester.”
You smiled, ignoring the pain that gave you “Would my lady wish for similar treatment?”
An amused huff came from her “Not even if you managed to do any real damage. You held your own, shocked really you were able to throw any kind of punch.”
“When I proved so mundanely average at the blade, my father had me pursue every weapon or means of fighting he and my uncles could devise. Most I've little practice in, but boxing is something me and my Uncle Tygett could bond over. He wanted to make sure I could defend myself, even if only a little.”
“And what about tyrion?”
“What about him?”
“How will Tyrion defend himself? Or that peasant girl he’s smitten by? Not just against other men, but your father as well.” She said, seeming to grasp the unfairness of tyrions life and giving it the respect it was due.
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You let out a grown and shot to your feet, making Ahsa lean back as you held you face “Fuuuuck, Tyrion, the girl. You don’t think he’ll do something foolish right?”
“A young man with a willing and pretty young maid, denied affection his whole life only to find it with the girl he helped save from bandits? Sounds like a song, and you know how stupid the heroes are in those things.” Asha said plainly, reaching over and slapping some decoration aside so she could grab another fruit.
You, on the other hand, were beginning to realize the danger of the situation. Stories about your grandfather, the possibility of what Tyrion might do, and the rage you could sense in your father’s future. Something bad was going to happen, and you had no idea how cruel your father would be. But you felt something worse than anything could occur, and you had to do something.
(My brain is a bit burnt out, so I’ll trust you guys to think of a plan and agree on one)
>Write in some ideas on what to do?
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Paramours are a thing and we need to convince him to somehow keep it a secret. As long as we remind him how Tywin would react upon finding out and here he WILL find out eventually, should he do anything stupid. Especially if he is dumb enough to marry her.
If he wants his lover, all he needs to do is quietly buy/rent her an isolated estate nearby to stay in. One far from prying eyes. Disguise their meetups as him using a whore if done in the city/castle; otherwise, if they want to get romantic, make sure to stay out of notice. Even better if he mixes in his dalliances with her between visiting whorehouses. A rendezvous like that while...lewd will not draw much attention at all. At best, some snide comments about not leaving any bastard seeds behind in a whore's belly.
Tyrion is honestly a LOT smarter than us. So long as we beat into his skull the absolute importance and necessity of being discreet about it. He will have a far better idea of covering his own ass. Our biggest goal would be knocking some sense back into him rather than letting his love blind him and make him so stupid that he loses everything. That is BY FAR the most important. Tyrion only got caught because love blinded and made him stupid. He very much has the wits to get away with it if he simply snaps out of it in time.
As for personal help...I guess we could help design them a secret estate with hidden emergency escape tunnels? Not really sure what Asha would do besides insist on throwing them on a boat and sailing away.
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We should in theory have a couple of weeks to a few months before Tywin finds out.
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>Take Asha and track down Tyrion and Tysha immediately, separate them so you can speak with Tyrion alone.
>"I can see already how you care for her, and I know in my heart what it must mean to finally have a woman see you for who you are, for the kind, brilliant young man I know you to be as your brother. Let me be a brother to you now: do not let this joy be known to our father, or to our sister. You are falling in love, and it is as blinding as it is precious. She is lowborn, and that would be enough to summon the worst of father's wrath... But she is also a way to hurt you. We are too young now to protect her or ourselves. But in our home, there are still places where love can grow, cracks in the wall where roots can find purchase..."
>Show Tyrion secret passages that might be used to arrange visits with Tysha safely out of father's sight, encourage him to use your knowledge of the Rock's secret places to conceal his dalliances with this kind maiden, so that their bond can grow in secret until the agency of adulthood can better equip you all to defend the relationship from enemies within your house and without.
Best I got! I am thinking perhaps Tyrion getting a reality check and having a means of hiding the relationship could avert disaster? And maybe not, but we will at least have tried.
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>>6386400
Nice write-up, but issue
1. Tywin knows all the secret passages and would realize their usage probably
2. Tywin knows Tyrion goes drinking and whoring, and I'm fairly certain he's never had an issue with *that* - it would be honestly easier for him to just pretend his visits to her is his general dalliance.
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I'm thinking specifically of how Tyrion builds a secret tunnel in through the sewers when he is later put in charge of infrastructure projects (which he won't now, because it's our Special Interest), and I am thinking of how that discretion was likely directly informed by the pain of the whole Tysha ordeal. We already have an autismal obsession with these kinds of passages, and have discovered all of them. Tywin knows about many of them with his little model, but I imagine he doesn't actually care about them, generally, and seeing as he has ALREADY put us in charge of these kinds of things, we could even commission entirely new tunnels and chambers without necessarily keeping Tywin in the loop about them all.
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QM let me tack on that I'd like to begin a plan with Tyrion to have a secret chamber constructed for him to be able to safely pursue this relationship until such a time that it can be brought to light safely. We can remind him that we are the heir to our house, and a time WILL come when we can protect Tysha from the worst of Tywin and Cersei's impulses.
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At least on the first point I don't think Tywin's awareness of secret paths means he has any particular interest or curiosity about them, but with that in mind and referring to this add-on post, I think we ought to simply construct a couple of new ones that needn't be included in Tywin's model.
I like how this sort of symbolically evokes the idea of Jason beginning his ascent, changing the literal structure of house Lannister right under Tywin's nose, without him realizing it. Physically taking dominion over the space and molding it to (literally and figuratively) make space for Tyrion's happiness.
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Well, I suppose I trust that if there's a flaw in my pitch, Tyrion will be clever enough to notice it and course correct, and may be clever enough to advise on where/how to safely construct a secret tunnel or chamber for him? But I am going to stick to my plan, because I don't think it's enough to just tell him to keep quiet about it all. There's a way to use our talent and the access we already have to help facilitate secrecy. I respect your perspective though! Not else to do but wait for democracy.
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>>6386412
The biggest problem is that Tyrion is in love and that is making him stupid. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten caught.
So on priorities
#1 Beat some sense into Tyrion before it's too late as he is far smarter than us
#2 His discreet dalliances need to be disguised as whoring
#3 A secret hideaway that he very irregularly visits for the 'serious' stuff that won't easily blend into a whorehouse
#4 the dosh to care for and protect his lover WITHOUT Tywin noticing
#5 Do NOT marry her until Tywin dies aka do not leave a paper/witness trail behind
Honestly, the biggest factor is just getting Tyrion to snap out of it and get his shit together before it's too late. It's not like he cannot outsmart or sneak around Tywin. That is not something the MC can do. The best we can do personally is help him build a discrete, fortified hideaway with plenty of secret escape routes. Hence, the need to wake him up at all costs. Even if we need Asha to beat his ass if we have to in order to knock some sense into him.
That was ultimately what got him caught in the first place. His love made him blind and stupid, thus he got sloppy, which got him caught.
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Whatever anger Tywin may have had in finding out he married a lowborn will triplicate if he finds out we helped and dug a tunnel to do so. And we're not doing that shit with our bare hands. He WILL find out.
Let's just tell Tyrion to hold it, mane. Since we exist, his future is GOOD. He knows that in the future we will inherit and be able to treat him well. So waiting becomes a possibility.
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>>6386419
I'm saying use another estate. Arguably, being discrete is far superior given how fucking hard it is gonna be to find some workers to build it who can keep their mouths shut. Most likely, if we tried Asha would just kill them all afterwards and throw the bodies into the sea. Chances are, Tywin would find out anyway. The key is Tyrion not getting stupidly sloppy from being in love.
Truthfully I'm more worried about him marrying/impregnating her. You just know Tyrion is gonna have HUGE issues with having a bastard child and having a shit father and nonexistent mother when it comes time for his own children. Given them being in love and fucking like rabbits for days at a time. I uh...have doubts.
IF he can wait AND be smart, then yeah he's good, but I doubt he can keep his hands off her and being in love will make him sloppy. Its not like we'll give him shit over it.
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Okay, so if we intend to try and prevent Tywin from doing something horrible, then what are the options?
A. Tyrion tries to keep it a secret (this is a ticking time bomb)
B. Tyrion and Tysha run away
C. Bargaining, where we try to use leverage or make some concession to Tywin in exchange
D. Find some way to make Tysha appear valuable
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I support this.
Probably something critical is to also tell him to not smile too much at court. Or near father. Being happy, or joyous can be noticeable. Even more so when a man or a woman fall in love. You see it in their smile, in their manners and in their eyes. Its a beautiful thing, and after the initial phase it can strengthen a person if that love remains true.
We just have to help keeping him centered. And push on Tywin/Cersei being hateful and petty enough to do something against Tyrion and Tysha if this relationship becomes known now. Reminding him of their usual reactions, past actions and anything bad they did recently would reinforce this argumentation.
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>>6386400
Alrighty, this seems to have the most support, so I shall fill it out.
I'll also be including peoples ideas, such as warning tyiron to control how he appears in court and also to possible slip in a few renovations that benefit Tyrion amongst the many repairs you have been put in charge of for the rock.
Also likely making sure that if Tyrion plans to marry Tysha, he has a plan better than get hitched and then live by the sea.
Love makes the guy lose all his wit.
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>>6386700
I agree. But I still wanted to voice it just in case, you know? If it's an angle Tywin wants to try to play it probably won't take for Tyrion, but it's like the genie in the bottle. It'll be there in the back of his mind, the most ridiculous "What if" yet be there it would be. Naturally it relies on Tywin finding out not only about Tyshawhich I think is still likely, if only in passing second or third hand accountsand finds out that Jason went out of his way to try and help Tyrion keep Tysha a secret.
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I can see the two ways that plays out
>Stupid boy, you should have come to me. Your incompetence could bring further scrutiny.
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>Do you think I cannot recognize when my own son is lying to me?
Of course, both result in a thrashing. Gotta love dear ol' dad's tender and caring disposition lmao
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This is why I don't really care if Tywin finds out, ultimately. The ideal situation is one where we facilitate Tyrion having a loving relationship with Tysha that fulfills him and secures our brotherly bond beyond even what he has with Jaime, AND Tywin never finds out about our involvement.
But if he does?
We already know what it does to Tyrion to be abused that way, it damages him a LOT but doesn't destroy him, and with us here I am sure he will recover better and quicker, that part of things is automatically not going to be worse than the canon version because in this AU he has more support.
As for us being abused? We're the heir, he can't and won't disown or kill us. He may beat us horribly, but he has already done that. He may emotionally traumatize us, but he's already done that. In the same way that the Tysha debacle is a canon trauma for Tyrion that fate propels him toward, or Cersei killing Robert and Joffrey being assassinated and the Red Wedding are canon traumas that many characters are headed towards, I think it's likely that we have our own big canon trauma event as Tywin's heir that will eclipse whatever punishment we think we may risk by helping Tyrion be with Tysha. And if the punishment for doing so IS that big huge trauma? That's just part of Jason's story and we'll have all the more reason to overcome Tywin, prove him wrong, and heal all the damage he has done to this house.
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Traumatizing event for MC wise...his adorable inbred nephew and niece(not the oldest) having their lives ruined. Tyrion being ruined. Getting dragged into the war AND the Ironborn clusterfuck. Jason just wants to play with his legos is all. Yet you know Tywin and Asha are gonna drag him into the shitstorm. He just doesn't have that insane ambition or capabilities his family has. That will damn him. Hell, he'll even quietly agree that both the Starks and Baratheons have a valid point but he simply cannot do shit about it.
At least his wife is open about how extremely ambitious and deadly she is. Giving her a siege master for a husband that is her type that she can easily control is gonna cause some BIG fucking problems. Much less one that can also back her up with an army and fleet. Arguably, the worst mistake Tywin ever made in this quest is gonna be that. Especially with how much she HATES his guts personally now. Tywin is gonna seethe endlessly when he realizes Jason actually doesn't mind it so long as she doesn't cross his lines. He is not exactly someone who values his personal reputation much on account of constantly being compared with his siblings and realizing just how...mediocre he truly is. As for the Family's reputation? Tywin is a bigger threat to it than anyone.
Of course, everyone is gonna think he is a joke of a pathetic man until an army or fleet shows up led by an aggressive and defense specialist couple. That is gonna suck so hard for them. Even more so if the other claimants get the bright idea to negotiate with that couple.
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>>6386783
Well, technically speaking, if Asha and Jason's kid keeps the Lannister name, which I'm fairly certain they will unless they somehow hold out on banging until Tywin dies (LOL), the Asha becoming some girlboss queen who takes over the isles and becomes the "He asked for no pickles" type of wife, then it really doesn't matter since the Lannisters as a house would be benefitting in the end.
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>>6386786
Yeah, and she is kind of a reformer so if she accrues more power and influence it is likely she will succeed in domesticating the Ironborn a fair amount, though I know we will have conflict with Euron in the future at least.
If we manage to save Theon from getting Reek'd, his loyalty to us will ensure the bond between our houses grows into something healthy and mutually beneficial. If we can't save him from being Reek'd, Asha is more or less the heir, and one of our children would or maybe should end up taking the Salt Throne.
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>>6386799
I am actually now considering that, with our marriage to Asha creating a more explicit alliance between the Lannister's and Greyjoy's, not only is it a lot less likely that Balon will wade into the fray with his raiding and goofiness, and a lot less likely that Theon would seek to capture Winterfell - but even if that does still happen, in a different way, as part of a larger anti-Stark strategy, Ramsay is a lot less likely to capture and torment Theon after the fact - because the Boltons also want to stay on Tywin's good side, and mutilating our brother-in-law would complicate their designs on the North badly. I have some kind of big ideas depending on what we can and can't avoid, though. I'd much rather work out some kind of friendly arrangement with the Starks than have to war with them, and don't care about one of Cersei's children having the Iron Throne - if they do it with the Baratheon name or as an open bastard, either way, it isn't really worth that much to us. I think the Jason I imagine would be cool with Lannisters still dominating the court but giving up the big chair in service of that long term, making peace with a Targaryen or even a Stark or Martell. The current path to hegemony is too precarious and bc of the incest it was always gonna be a house of cards, a vanity project for Cersei and Tywin more than anything. I don't want to rub shoulders with Freys or Boltons at all, if possible. Everything they touch turns to shit and they are abominable.
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>>6386795
Asha already hinted at a solution to dealing with her Ironborn 'problem' with the marriage. As she wasn't taken as a bride properly within the Ironborn way. All she has to do is a role reversal of it against Jason to legitimize the union to the Ironborn in public before them as witnesses. Doing so would legitimize it and the only Ironborn who could complain would be the priests or hardliners who would be humiliated over such a 'Dornish' solution to the problem.
She also needs to birth at least 2 heirs. One of whom to 'adopt' back into the Kraken family as new head if Theon isn't saved. Good luck to any Ironborn claimants who can withstand both her own fleet and the Lannister fleet. Which is something she is gonna do, given how insanely ambitious she is and how badly she wants to become the first Reaver Queen on the Seastone Throne. Even the Priests cannot refute the Right of Conquest if the Kingsmoot doesn't work.
In terms of reforming...she is still highly militaristic but also doesn't believe in fighting worthless fights(aka raiding the north). She also despises the hardliners like Euron and the priests for their fuckery. With her being married to Jason, it is likely she'll reconsider other aspects of reform too, like infrastructure and trade.
>>6386799
Nobody really knows how insanely ambitious she is right now except for her and her father. Keep in mind, she was raised as a tomboy to be the 'backup' should all the sons die because her father couldn't stand her uncles and actively supported her the entire time. It's why she got away with all those antics of hers despite not being Dornish.
MAYBE a few very close confidants of the family are aware of her true nature right now. There is no way Tywin knows, as he thinks it will be Theon taking the throne. It was only later, when she was granted her first ship to captain and crew, that word finally began to spread.
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>>6386840
Yeah, he may still decide it'd be best to eliminate Theon, but if so, he'd definitely be a lot more subtle and use poison or something. If the Boltons castrate and torture Theon while pledged to Tywin, and we are married to Asha, it gives away the game and simultaneously fractures his coalition. I say this while also hoping we figure out a way to create a coalition that doesn't have us rely on the Boltons, but we'll just have to see on that end...
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>>6386843
>MAYBE a few very close confidants of the family are aware of her true nature right now. There is no way Tywin knows
Why would he need to know? All he needs to see is that all it would take is removing one person to get a SECOND Grandson of his a throne.
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>>6386839
Our biggest problem is being caught between Asha and Tywin. Asha at least, is openly ambitious and has proved that she would respect the boundaries Jason put down. As they do not conflict with her own goals(it's not like she hasn't noticed we gave 0 fucks about her antics and let her maintain her strong front). Even going so far as to change her tune about Tyrion after we put our foot down(even if we did get our asses kicked but this was also what gave her the idea of how to fix her Ironborn reputation stain).
Disavowing our incestuous siblings' children is impossible with Tywin breathing down our neck. Even though the Starks and Baratheons are gonna send a letter to us anyway. Asha...will smell blood in the water and react predictably. Arguably if we wanna make a move we have to do it through her. Balon won't dare to move easily because doing so makes him vulnerable to Asha's fleet and the Lannister fleet that will back them up. For all intents and purposes Asha and Lannister fleet can be considered the same force unless Tywin decides to throw away a chance to put a grandson on the Seastone Throne.
>>6386846
Theon is under the protection of the Starks and Tywin won't find out about Asha's antics until she gets her boat. Once that happens, he'll be forced to reevaluate the marriage and swallow his disgust of his daughter in law when he sees through her ambitions. A second throne is an irresistible temptation to him but one through HER is gonna grind his gears to no end. That will be when he considers plotting how to kill Theon and try to figure out how to deal with his turbobitch of a daughter in law because his son clearly isn't gonna bother trying to control his wife.
The fact that he has to use a woman and HER so unladylike to get another throne is gonna make Tywin so fucking pissed and yet unable to refuse. His expression would be glorious thing to see. Only trouble is, he's done everything in his power to make her hate his guts.
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How do we feel about Jason potentially:
>Accepting Ned and Jon Arryn's findings, and Stannis's claim, that all three of Cersei's children are illegitimate
>Pushing for our brother Jaime to retire to Casterly Rock as a castle knight or alternatively to take the black
>Having Cersei held accountable for the conspiracy to murder Robert in order to protect her lie
>Aligning our house with someone else going for the throne such as Stannis in exchange for a vow of betrothal between our children - Shireen and our first or second son, for example.
Or do you guys want Jason to try and maintain the Lannister's quasi-control of the throne despite the myriad risks and complications caused by Cersei and Tywin's shitassery?
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>>6386866
While Tywin lives, the Lanisters do not break.
And having Jamie take the black is a terrible thing that we should not like done to our brother unless the alternative is death.
Other than that, we have no good reason to support any other house at this time. The "proof" of incest is held by Jamie and Cercie only, anything else is mere slander.
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>>6386873
I respect that, though my counter argument is that we are already 'broken', and as soon as Jason realizes that, even his middling political intelligence will be able to see that trying to work around that will doom our house (which, in truth, it is ultimately what dooms the house in the books and show. If Tywin allowed himself to see it, he would make the same analysis imo).
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>>6386866
We are caught between Tywin's shittery and Asha's ambitions. Even Asha would give us more breathing room than fucking Tywin. She wants to become the Reaver Queen.
I would imagine we would be disgusted and torn about finding out about Cersei's incestual children. Mad at our big brother. I mean Cersei was always a bitch but come on.
We wouldn't accept Ned and Jon claims until reviewing the ancestry books and traits ourselves. Which is not something the Lannisters can hide given how insanely widespread those texts are. Even if we did, we can't do much until Tywin is dead but we can at least quietly admit in our letters to them that they have a valid point.
We hate both Cersei and Tywin. We love our brothers but Jaime is a dumbass.
We don't have children to betroth and again that will require getting past Asha.
Unlike the rest of his family Jason isn't overly ambitious or skilled. He's just easily dragged around because he's ALWAYS been surrounded by family far better than him. Even his own wife is better than him. The poor guy can't catch a break and wouldn't be interested in such power when he keenly understands he cannot handle it. If he had it his way, he would just play with small blocks at home and big blocks outside. Jason is very humble and understands his limits.
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>>6386883
>I would imagine we would be disgusted and torn about finding out about Cersei's incestual children. Mad at our big brother. I mean Cersei was always a bitch but come on.
I'm just trying to think through it as a guy that is (currently, it could easily change as we develop him through votes)
>Set to inherit the Lannister dynasty, lands, wealth, and armies
>Not particularly interested in 'winning' the Game of Thrones for himself, though simultaneously does want to preserve the family legacy so as to not totally fail Tywin
>Not particularly politically gifted and possessing a singular, rare talent that doesn't directly or easily benefit his consolidating power
>Not particularly close or loyal to Cersei, as she has tormented him and his twin so much, and is clearly evil, nor particularly close to Tywin in any meaningful sense, just controlled by him and growing resentful over time I am sure
In that headspace my thinking is, 'Holy shit, Cersei, how could you be so insanely stupid, short-sighted, and selfish to not birth a single legitimate heir to Robert. In doing so you have complicated my role as the future Lannister patriarch, you have endangered our house severely, and your eldest bastard is even dumber and more evil than you, if he becomes king it could mean the end of us even if he WERE legitimate - just ask Jaime what happens to dynasties presided after deranged barbarians. Sword in the back. Children butchered.'
Then my thinking is 'This position is untenable, like a castle built on mud. We are running out of cash, running up debts. We have too many enemies. To maintain legitimacy, we have to force it, and if we do so, it is for a kid with the last name Baratheon that the entire rest of the Baratheon family wants to see in irons or murdered or both. How can I keep the Lannister family wealthy, keep dominion over the West, ensure a strong future?'
And I think icing out the bastards, and Cersei for her TREASON, is the only way? Moving away from the Iron Throne obviously isn't what Tywin wants, but if would give us the latitude to just... Play with blocks, yaknow?
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>>6386887
That is why we have Tyrion also please do not give Asha any ideas. She is already jockeying her way into securing two thrones.
>>6386890
Asha plans to use Iron Price technicality to (re)claim Jason as her husband before Ironborn witnesses via Dornish reshuffling. The Dornish women are gonna love her to bits. This means that the marriage isn't 'Greenlander' and therefore she still holds Ironborn claims.
The traditionalists are gonna be upset that a WOMAN can do it too but technically speaking, she didn't break any rules and it allows her to regain her Ironborn rights and reputation. It IS gonna impress the absolute shit out of Dorn though. Which is a great thing considering how much they hate the Lannisters atm.
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>>6386896
>Asha plans to use Iron Price technicality to (re)claim Jason as her husband before Ironborn witnesses via Dornish reshuffling. The Dornish women are gonna love her to bits. This means that the marriage isn't 'Greenlander' and therefore she still holds Ironborn claims.
Explain this more.
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>>6386895
You are forgetting the Asha angle. Jason has two leashes around his neck. One his father and the other his wife. That covers the Lannister angle but ignores the Greyjoy Reaver Queen wife angle.
>>6386897
There is a loophole in the claiming of salt wives that doesn't ban women ALSO having the right to claim a husband. Doing so would sanctify the marriage for the Ironborn because it is both within their traditions(technically) and salt wives are still legitimate spouses and so too are their children. This in turn would remove the stain on Asha's reputation and regain all her privileges.
Asha drunkenly admitted to intending to claim the Iron Price on Jason when she tried and failed to seduce him the Ironborn way. Jason however, doesn't know about Ironborn traditions, so he had no idea what she was getting at and why she actually loved the fact that she could beat him.
Downside is Jason is gonna get his butt kicked publicly by Asha before the Ironborn witnesses she needs to vouch for it, then she'll loudly claim she is taking claiming the Iron Price and he is therefore her 'salt' husband before dragging him to bed to officialize it. Basically, it fixes ALL the problems she had with taking a Greenlander husband and marriage. By going LOL I ain't his lady wife, he's MY Husband I got via the Iron Price. So our children are also Ironborn.To be specific it's like 3 different loopholes. The Iron Price loophole. The legitimacy of salt wives loophole. Legitimacy of salt and thrall born children loophole. I don't know how much Asha has figured out already but she is already plotting it out. Sorry for the spoilers for the QM when he sneaked that in. I had to check the wiki to confirm it as I suspected and...yeah it checks out. None of them excludes Ironborn women from being able to ALSO claiming it.
Asha knows this and is already plotting around it because she NEEDS it to regain her Ironborn rights to the Throne and loss of reputation. Downside is Jason is gonna get fucked hard...literally.
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>>6386918
much as we joke about Jason being a doormat, a lack of pride is only an issue when others mistake it for a weakness.
Tywin's right on the count that you shouldn't show yourself as weak, that invites instability. So long as we get our own achievements then it should keep the peace with the rest of the kingdom
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>>6386918
>That covers the Lannister angle but ignores the Greyjoy Reaver Queen wife angle.
I mean, I am actually really cool with Asha using Jason to claim her father's throne and restore her own legitimacy - do you think her plans would get in the way of us excising the liability of Cersei and her children in order to restore the legitimacy of our own house, and get us out of everyone's cross hairs? Tywin may care about his grandson sitting on the throne, but we don't care about our nephew being king, and with the last name Baratheon it doesn't REALLY benefit us. We could maintain proximity and sway over the Iron Throne by approaching it all very differently. I don't think it would get in the way of Asha's scheme, at least not in a way I can see readily.
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>>6386866
>Accepting Ned and Jon Arryn's findings, and Stannis's claim, that all three of Cersei's children are illegitimate
Publicly? I think we have no choice but to just parrot whatever Tywin says. Privately? I think it's not unreasonable that we'd agree and simply say that we can't do anything until Tywin has passed away.
>Pushing for our brother Jaime to retire to Casterly Rock as a castle knight or alternatively to take the black
Unless it's what he wants, then hell no. He's supported us, we should do the same.
>Having Cersei held accountable for the conspiracy to murder Robert in order to protect her lie
Same as the first one; parrot Tywin until we have the means to do something ourselves. Once that happens, then not only would it be justice to hold Cersei accountable, but we have a legitimate concern that if she goes unpunished, then it could endanger the entire family. Not just us, but Cersei's other children as well. Tommen and Myrcella don't deserve to be at risk for Cersei being a retarg.
>Aligning our house with someone else going for the throne such as Stannis in exchange for a vow of betrothal between our children - Shireen and our first or second son, for example.
Hmmm, I think the way to go is for Jason to recognize that the risks of the Throne are too dangerous for our family, and that it could spell the end of the Lannister line if we don't try to back off whilst making concessions.
>>6386920
>So long as we get our own achievements then it should keep the peace with the rest of the kingdom
That, or everyone is just scared shitless of our wife. It's not ideal if Jason is seen as weak, but Asha can certainly carry enough respect for the both of us.
Honestly, considering her ambition combined with her intense (albeit crude) political cunning, Asha could have been the heir/child that Tywin always wanted... too bad they fucking hate each other. She's not on the same level as Tyrion, but she understands the game of thrones, yet she's not an embarrassment to Tywin since she isn't an "embarrassment to the family name". On the flip side, she has a spine unlike Jason, and she has ambitions like Cersei without the idiotic overconfidence.
Honestly, it's almost poetic how well Asha fits into the family tragedy that is typical of everyone close to Tywin. His horrible personality ruined a chance for the one thing he desired most of all.
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>>6386920
Reputation wise Jason is kinda fucked given how laidback, humble, and good-natured he is. With how much he legit spoils the shit out of his wife. No other nobleman except maybe a Dornish man would be so lenient. HOWEVER we aren't Dornish. Which means they are gonna talk shit about us no matter what behind our back until Asha finds out and shanks them to death or puts an axe through their skull.
Asha knows damn well how insanely lucky she got with such an understanding Greenlander husband and she also confirmed that we DO in fact have a spine and boundaries we won't let her cross. It just so happens her own goals do not conflict with it, which is why she is cool with it. Hence her 180 attitude about Tyrion and getting into a fight with us. She wanted to make sure we weren't a doormat.
Externally though? Think about what it looks like. The only ones who would understand what their relationship dynamic is truly like is the Dornish but neither of them are Dornish! Of course, anyone has to also consider whether they can eat an axe or a dirk in the gut. Jason might be chill about it until you cross the line but Asha isn't gonna be so understanding. Keep in mind how hardcore and vicious she had to be to keep a bunch of Ironborn Reavers in line and LOYAL to a woman of all things!It also helps that Jason 'accidentally' turned out to be Asha's type to the T. Something canon version of her never found. He's a handsome twink with a backbone that will fight her if she crosses his line, whom she can still defeat and control but is otherwise extremely accepting and even supportive of her antics. To add further insult to injury, he is a goddamn defensive expert and siege master, with his love of Architecture a direct opposite of her extremely aggressive blitzkrieg raiding command style. Even the Ironborn are gonna love him after the first siege together and have a complete 180 in attitude.
For obvious reason this is gonna piss off Asha when you disrespect her trophy husband.
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>>6386928
>she has a spine unlike Jason
Well, we showed some spine with her. The question is if that was a fluke or not, and personally I don't want it to be.
>>6386929
>Reputation wise Jason is kinda fucked given how laidback, humble, and good-natured he is.
We may sacrifice some of the horrific fear and dread that Tywin has cultivated in doing so, but making concessions, being honest and honorable - especially at the expense of our sister and nephew - and trying to prevent war could all help to build a new and also useful reputation. Asha and the Reavers can keep people from treating us like the Laughing Lion, but it'd be nice if they felt they could trust us to keep our word, and to not resort to obscenely underhanded tactics like the Red Wedding, killing bastard babies, or beheading the Warden of The North after promising him an assignment to the Wall.
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>>6386925
There are and honestly compared to the other waifu options...Asha at least, is extremely direct and predictable. Imagine if poor Jason had to handle the plotting and antics of all those other wives who don't wanna drink from your skull and fight you directly. Say what you want about Asha at least she is direct and easy to handle if you throw her a bone.
Downside is she is extremely ambitious and is super scary tomboyeven reavers legit fear and follow her
For most of Westeros she is a absolute nightmare fuel of a wife. Except Dorn because they are into that but even they would take issue with her insane ambition and how bloodthirsty/cruel piratey she is.
>>6386926
Asha is one of the most ambitious women in the entire world and unlike the other ambitious women, she WILL fight you. With Jason, she can secure TWO thrones once she exploits the loopholes and leverages the Lannisters to secure her own throne. Why would her ambition end there? The Lannisters give her direct access to King's Landing.
God forbid should she ever meet Daenyrs. Really, the only thing making her hold back is her fear of getting ganged up on and overwhelmed. Thus she would be for throwing a bone to the North and Starks. Official excuse their broke as shit and hard to fight. Unofficial excuse they cared for her brother Theon her last sibling, and she doesn't want more enemies. Appeasing and getting along with the Starks is extremely easy because of how honorable they are.
But those conniving spoiled soft southerners, on the other hand? Well, except for Dorn. She is gonna LOVE Dorn. I wouldn't be surprised if she prioritizes marrying children into the Starks and Dorn.
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>>6386936
>Why would her ambition end there? The Lannisters give her direct access to King's Landing.
Mmm, looking at it that way, I think my feeling is even more that she would want us to use our station as head of house to delegitimize Joffrey 'Baratheon' in order to potentially open the throne for one of our children, right? Maintaining the lie is costly and precludes her from that. If she accepts some limitations and realizes it would be extremely difficult to dethrone Joffrey and replace him with another, proper Lannister born to the two of us (I am hopeful, honestly), I don't see why we couldn't do some maneuvering in order to have one of our kids on the Small Council. Hopefully she doesn't try to get us to do it ourselves. I don't think Jason would like being Master of Coin and certainly not Hand....
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>>6386939
Tomboy supremecy. Even if she is scary ass extremely ambitious tomboy. At least we would see what was coming with her instead of whatever schemes the other options would have, which we wouldn't be able to handle or see coming because we aren't as smart as Tyrion. I mean if we were smarter than sure but uh...yeah.
>>6386934
We would get along great with the Starks, to be honest. We know Asha is quite protective given Theon. The other Ironborn won't like us until we have a siege with them, then they'll shut up and change their tune real fucking quick.
Personally I think it would be great if we could travel the realm with Asha, Tyrion, and Tysha. Especially Dorn is gonna be hilarious. Both of them could actually be an honest, normal couple there and the Dornish would understand them 100%. Plus, hitting up the tournaments and fighting together could be fun. While Jason could nerd out over all the cool architecture and ruins he could find. While Tyrion could also enjoy a breather with his lover.
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>>6386934
I don't see why it should be a fluke.
And yeah, there is use in a reputation for being good for your word. A reputation for leniency is. . an issue, see the laughing lion.
But if everyone can act in good faith, I don't see a reason to be antagonistic.
For those with acting in bad faith, they can deal with the less happy or laid back lanister household.
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>>6386946
Asha has two kingdoms at her back. The Lannister and the Iron Islands. However, her father in law...well, she isn't the only one who hates his guts. Lannisters have lots of enemies, and so to do the Iron Islands for being such massive assholes. If Tywin hadn't done what he did, Dorne would be an easy ally for her to snatch up. Vale also would have been an option until yet again, Tywin fucked it up.
Her best bet is funnily enough to pretend to be a separate faction from the Lannisters and open diplomatic channels separate from them that she gives her hubby access as 'future Lannister Head'. If she did, she just divided the entire Lannister powerblock and just forced everyone else to openly negotiate with not just her Ironborn but also the future of Lannister.
Suddenly her father in law being such a hellraiser is now something she can exploit to her own advantage and previously blocked diplomatic windows open out because now she is the Reaver Queen of the Iron Islands NOT future Lady Lannister. While Jason can admit to certain concessions unofficially that Tywin cannot do anything about without turning the Iron Islands on him entirely and even cripple his own influence in Lannister lands.
This is something even Dorn will take note of and bring the Starks even the Vale to the table.
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>>6386947
>Personally I think it would be great if we could travel the realm with Asha, Tyrion, and Tysha.
>And Sandor can be there as an extra bodyguard for Tyrion because we think he is neatPulling off heists together as a band of misfits that defy norms and expectations and thus rebel against the system by transgressing against its laws and social order to expropriate treasures from the arrogant nobility none of them fit in with
That's my vision anyways and I will only let it go when we come to a point in the story where it's too late/impossible to make it materialize. I mean come on dude... Filthy rich master thieves, it's like the Thomas Crown Affair + George Leslie + Ocean's Eleven...
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>>6386955
Robbery is more of a thing if Asha has her boat and Ironborn crew by then. Because you just know she isn't gonna resist taking everyone to go pirating, robbing, and sieging. Plus you just sail away if trouble arises and pin the blame on those damned Ironborn Reavers!Totally not notice why for some strange reason there is the next head of Lannister on board, a dwarf, peasant girl, and the captain is a woman are all onboard.
Realistically its something she is obligated to do anyway in order to build up support from the Iron Islands while raising up more troops and ships. She is absolutely gonna take her hubby along for the ride because ain't no way she is gonna give up a siege master. Tyrion really is a freebie adviser.
Plus I wouldn't mind traveling the realm for a bit with Asha disguised as a wandering knight and we just 'broing' it up at various tournies. Give us a chance to recruit some men who aren't owned by our father while we are at it and give our bro a desperately needed vacation.
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>>6386959
>Give us a chance to recruit some men who aren't owned by our father while we are at it and give our bro a desperately needed vacation.
Right, I want us to have a bitching entourage as the top lion. Tywin sucks at making friends, and while the Mountain is a crazy valuable asset, he also is super evil?? I think Tyrion (and by extension Tysha if we can save her) and The Hound are the only people in our orbit right now I want us to get a strong hold of. Curious to see who else is out there we can rope into our retinue.
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>>6386962
There is also Asha's retinue but she needs to return to the Iron Islands to reclaim them. Truthfully though I would like to have our own retinue and not just depend on her for everything. Even if our dynamic is the good guy and bad girl shtick.
Hunting down Brienne of Tarth would be extremely beneficial. She wouldn't feel so alone and would be able to bond and befriend another female warrior, albeit with a VERY different concept of honor than hers. She just has to be part of our retinue as she won't agree with how Asha does things.
Mountain is a terrible idea even if we could technically give him orders, assuming Tywin doesn't override it. Personally, I would rather sacrifice him to make up with Dorne. We really don't need a psycho when we have Asha and her reavers.
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>>6386954
lmao, i just had a hilarious idea
we'd never do it, this is just a silly hypothetical, but imagine how fucking furious Tywin would be from beyond the grave if Jason rolled over and just politically handed over the Westerlands to the Iron Islands. Fuck it, maybe he even takes on the Greyjoy last name when his wife "claims" him as a salt husband.
All of Tywin's bullshit about family legacy, only for it to end in Total Iron Victory.
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>>6386971
Technically speaking, that is exactly what has to happen in order for Asha to take over the Iron Islands. Otherwise, she'll be deemed illegitimate. So strictly speaking, Jason would have TWO identities. His Ironborn 'salt husband' to the Reaver Queen Asha Greyjoy identity to the Ironborn and siegemaster. While in the Greenlands he is Jason Lannister next Lannister Head.
Politically when Tywin, Cersei, and her oldest son shits the bed. It's the only way to strike out diplomatically for Jason who is a reasonable guy because we are negotiating on behalf of and through the Iron Islands. NOT Lannister but whoops the Salt Husband in question IS the next head of Lannister...oh my.
So yeah Tywin is gonna be fucking PISSED but if he reacts guess what? He will not have a Lannister on the Seastone Throne or even lose Casterly Rock itself! That shit is gonna have him rolling in his grave. As it's entirely plausible for Asha to decide to pull a reversal instead of simply adopting one of her own children back into the House of Greyjoy to be the next head.
>>6386972
Hence the excuse of 'gaining experience' by traveling to various tournaments throughout the land. Which is something that Tywin would be hardpressed to refuse since he despises how mediocre we are.
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>>6386967
>Personally, I would rather sacrifice him to make up with Dorne.
We could trade his head for a Sandoq or Oberyn at our side. Plus, Hound is NEARLY as strong and deadly, nearly as big, and despite being a hard bastard he has a good heart deep down.
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>>6386978
If we visit Dorne I want to visit Oberyn and make a deal. We can easily lure the Mountain into a trap for him. So long as Mountain isn't on any other orders it will work. Making amends with Oberyn will go a LONG way to fixing relations with Dorne.
>>6386979
Technically, yes, depending on if its Greenlander or Ironborn vernacular and customs. Asha for example would be referred to as Lady Lannister when speaking to the wife of Jason Lannister on the Greenland. However if you were speaking to Asha Greyjoy heiress of the Iron Islands, then you would adopt the Ironborn vernacular. Because she isn't a Greenlander, thanks to Iron Price being paid for her husband and children. Proving that despite being taken she is still Ironborn. After all SHE claimed HER husband via Iron Price. Not weak Greenlander customary arranged marriage.
For Jason if the Ironborn were referring to us, it would depend on whether they were talking to the Salt Husband of Asha Greyjoy or Jason Lannister the Heir of Lannister. As a Salt husband once we had proven ourselves in battle(particularly sieges) they would have to yet again change their exact terminology. As we would no longer be equivalent to a lowly Salt Husband being bred and instead are a proven warrior with valuable expertise. Even though we ARE still technically Asha's salt husband.
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As a title or nickname yeah but not in an official capacity.
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>>6386987
Yeah, anons are just getting lost in the sauce. They get one scene with a tough girl and all of a sudden it's fifty posts about getting beaten up and fake raped by a woman, and being her pet, and all that shit.
Please just don't take these anons seriously QM. This quest should not turn into some dumb femdom story about being asha's "salt malewife"
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>>6386986
Sasha isn't a femdom...I think? She just has to kick our ass once in public before Ironborn and make the declaration to restore her status in the Ironborn because they have some really fucking stupid rules and customs.
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Then please explain how we avoid that and don't get our asses kicked by Asha. Plus, we already proven to Asha that we have a spine and limits. The problem is that tolerating her antics is gonna look terrible no matter what. As she isn't ladylike. No matter what, they'll eat us alive and if we try to force it on her, she is just gonna shank us to death in our sleep.
Truthfully, as long as we let her enjoy her antics and maintain the boundaries, we'll be fine with her. Our reputation and rumors on the other hand...um. That is gonna be tough. Especially given the setting and customs. I don't see how we can walk out of that clean with such a wife. Although Dorn won't care everyone else will.
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>>6386986
If it is any salve to you, It's not fetishistic [On my end anyway].
It's just a lack of pride and a decent bit of intrigue. Annoying tywin is amusing too.
>>6386987
Meh. It's what you can back up. Mockery is inherent but if you have the power and the stability, you can fuck your siblings and make deformed children for as long as you hold it.
"Make all the jokes you want, I still have enough money and debts to buy any two great houses put together" is a solid line of defence. Add the ironborn sailors to our naval influence and it's gold backed with steel.
Course, Ironborn are shit soldiers. But they don't need to be amazing to transport troops.
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>>6386988
To further apply salve, as I anticipate it is needed, No this should not become the point of the quest.
But if it's the way to get the salt throne, Then it's worth doing at a later point once we are more established.
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>>6386995
Dragged off for sex is the bedding ceremony, and that's a greenlander/lanister thing.
Do you think we can just ignore that tradition? Heir of the rock and all that.
After goggling, it's across the whole continent and it is an optional tradition.
We can ignore that.
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>>6386987
If we try to stop Asha from being a butch pirate, she will kill us, and the marriage will suck anyways. I didn't vote for the Reaver option to put her in a dress.
If we let her live her pirate life, we have to accept the likeliness that she uses the loopholes of her dumbfuck savage culture and superior strength to reclaim her rights and titles. Even if we could stop her, why would we? It benefits us massively to be the only couple that fully controls both of our houses. I don't care if the same nobles that talk shit about Tyrion decide to talk shit about us because our wife can kick the shit out of their faggy husbands. I don't care if the Ironborn call us Pet Lion. We have blocks to play with and a kingdom to stabilize and a house to save from the dumbfucks that are going to be making all of the moves. Idunno man, we chose the pirate heiress, that means planning for how we fit into her goals as we figure out our own. It isn't really a fetish thing here, this is literally the Game of Thrones at play.
>>6386993
>Course, Ironborn are shit soldiers.
We are gonna fix that the same way we are gonna level up Asha. In the books she is a B+, maybe A tier fighter. I think with us bankrolling, she could be on the low end of S...
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>>6387000
You can't just "buy" discipline from a bunch of unwashed pirate sailors who's primary method of victory is light arms and armour on a rolling ship deck.
And they are immensely adverse to change, or training to be more like the mainlanders.
Just use Lanister soldiers and leave them as they are. Plus, training up a bunch of untrustworthy bandit captains on boats feels like a real triple edged sword, with two edges pointed at us.
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>>6386988
I agree but I don't know how you got that. It was mostly just talk about intrigue and how much we can piss off Tywin cause fuck him. There were only like...2 posts about the retarded Ironborn loophole that Asha can use to restore her Ironborn status. Nothing regarding femdom.
Also our rep was fucked the moment we went for the totally not Viking wannabe queen bitch of the seas. Shit even marrying a Dorner would have gotten us shit on. Especially with the stunt Tywin pulled.
>>6386993
Ironborn forget they are light raider infantry that think they can tackle heavy infantry and knights than bitch and moan when they lose. The best you can squeeze out of them is some shocktroopers and rapid blitzing but any serious fight they break like wet tissue paper. Even when sailing, they forget they specialize in hit and run tactics thus piracy than full blown naval engagements.
Also I forgot we are about to go bankrupt...is there anything valuable here? Cause i'm pretty sure the ironborn are also broke...
>>6386998
Tywin is a stickler and is gonna wanna humiliate/teach Asha a lesson. So I doubt we can avoid it. Would be nice but he will do it just to spite and hurt her.This is why I suspect Asha wants to lose it ahead of time so it's not as humiliating for her and done on her own terms.
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>>6387004
From my googling, the ceremony isn't that invasive. Each party gets carried by an opposing sex and disrobed as they go. You are meant to make "ribald" jokes as you go, and then you get tucked into bed with your spouse and everyone else fucks off behind the door.
I don't think Tywin, Petty as a bitch as he is, would consider it a suitable punishment.
Then again, he did do it himself, might force the issue.
But on the third hand, he specifically interfered during sansa/tyrion's wedding by Tyrion's request vs joffery. Might not want to risk us looking bad at our own wedding.
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>every noble in westeros talking shit about Jason until he pulls up with a newly invented siege engine that reduces their finest (read: pigshit) walls into rubble in under an hour
Also, I hope if Jaime loses his hand we can finagle up some sort of prosthetic hand that uses a pulley or crank system so he can choose to actually hold a sword with it. It'd be crude, yes, but being able to clamp it onto a shield or grip a sword with two "hands" for leverage would be a big step up from just having a chunk of iron painted gold, maybe with a pokey bit on it. I base this idea on Gotz of the Iron Hand, not Guts of the Jesus Fucking Christ.
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>>6387009
Why invent a new seige machine, when the trebuchet already exists. Perfection is right there in front of you.
The real trick is getting good at the maths, and knowing where to hit. Dismantling a fortress bit by bit is the scary part.
Engineering a hand seems a bit beyond us at this point. But a shield he can easily fit to his arm might be a nice idea.
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>>6387000
Its gonna be easier to fix Asha than the fucking ironborn soldiers. They think their big and bad because they don't fight pros than bitch and moan when they DO fight the real deal. Even Sasha indirectly admitted this to us when we were talking defenses with her. They specialize in RAIDING. Real resistance makes them fold.
Asha at least we are making progress on her...slow painful progress but progress nonetheless. Sure, we lost but she still respected the boundaries we set and did a 180 about our twin brother. Even pointing out the problem with him Tysha when she could have just ignored it.
Who knows maybe by some miracle we can even convince her to wear a dress? Just let her keep the knives...
Military wise I would rather beat the Ironborn into a proper fleet because fat chance we can break them of their shitty infantry habits and mentality. At least they know how to sail properly. Soldier wise, our backbone will be Lannister infantry and if we ever have to depend on Ironborn infantry in our army, then we are fucked. They are irregular skirmishers and harassment infantry at best. If they're in the army, we are screwed. They work best by causing problems and making the enemy waste resources chasing after them.
>>6387008
The thing is, it is Tywin we are talking about. He will absolutely be that much of a petty asshole. Asha has done everything she can to resist, which is only going to make him double down in response. Despite us pointing it out to her that doing so is just gonna make even worse for her in the long run and Tywin isn't going to forget. So he is absolutely gonna find whatever petty way he can to make her as miserable as possible.
>>6387009
Maester's college. Put up a rich reward for a prosthetic hand. They'll make a kickass one for him.
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>>6386920
>we get our own achievements
What could Jason do achievement-wise? Not necessarily something too important.
- Learning the art of sieges and defensive warfare, which is connected to architecture. Becoming a master at it.
- Going to the citadel to learn even more of Architecture and maybe gain some links can be an idea.
- Gaining Knighthood? Seems a tad too hard to do (he struggled to get to his acceptable level of combat skill, trying again seems foolish)
- Another smaller architectural project (Jason seemed to do some during updates ? But they require funds, time, and approval)
- Attempting something like a large architectural project? (I can't see it done, the treasury and the mines don't look good. Too unlikely, unless it's something even Tywin would be forced to approve of, at how useful it would be. Also, more funds, time, and approval than the small projects)
- Maybe attempting to become an administrator ? (Try to become better at something else)
Jason doesn't seem to be that great in much else. Anything social, diplomatic, or intrigue-related seems a tad too difficult for him to pursue.
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>>6387004
>anything valuable here?
What do you mean by that?
Trying to find more ore veins in the depths of the Westernlands ?
Infrastructure improvements to Lannisport ?
Did Castamere have any useful mines? Tywin is probably autistic about keeping it underwater.
We did find this years ago. Maybe it helped with the Lannister treasury lol
>Most shockingly you found a whole Ballroom, shuttered away generations past due to lean times and grief, that held within it plenty of family treasures.
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>>6387012
>Engineering a hand seems a bit beyond us at this point. But a shield he can easily fit to his arm might be a nice idea.
Surprisingly it's not as complicated as it sounds. All you need is a ratchet and a lever for the simplest way of making it work. Just a couple gears and you can have the thumb be separate in its articulating direction from the four fingers. It's entirely possible. Though We might need to bring Tyrion in to work out the kinks or bounce the ideas off of him. A crank would be better than a lever since it would take less space and be harder to knock loose. But it would be more complicated. Essentially putting the mechanism for raising a portcullis into his "wrist" and making it very, very small. Something Jason will probably be able to wrap his head around.
>>6387014
>Maester's college. Put up a rich reward for a prosthetic hand.
That's certainly one way of doing it. Though I would like to do it personally, since it might just be that Jason's brothers being in some sort of peril is what stokes his ambitions. It could just be that Jason is not the type that does things for his own sake, but for the sake of others. Also because it would just be a very sweet gesture that Jaime would probably really need to feel like he isn't a worthless piece of shit since he lost the only thing he ever thought he was good at.
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>>6387020
Asha barely loses control of the Islands in the books, and still manages to hold sway over a large faction of Ironborn + her personal crew. With our help (and I think that will include Tyrion's, maybe Sandor's), I think it's feasible she attains her goal of Reaver Queen!
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>>6387017
Huh. Well, . . I got nothing, That's just really cool.
>>6387018
They serve a secondary role here, as a supply of ships. Raid ships true, but that is still a fleet of ships we can use to deploy swiftly along the coasts.
>>6387022
For this to still be true, she needs to spend time in her homeland, with the support of her father to make the right connections and credibility.
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>>6387012
Torsion Ballistae... I think those exist in Westeros, but only as antipersonnel/anti-dragon weapons. They fire arrows in westeros, but IRL they had big ones that fired stones up to 30 lbs on the regular, and you could defin. However, a really, really big one would be the match of an early cannon in sheer destructive power; firing a very large stone very fast on a flat trajectory. It'd be expensive as shit and enormous, but still.
The Romans had it down to a science. They made formulae and standardized tables so you could know exactly how big to make each part to produce a functional ballista every time, presuming good-quality materials. The frames were usually wood, but the preferred materials for the torsion springs were either animal sinew (the preferred option), or women's hair; presumably because they take better care of it and keep it longer on average. Not only does this give us an emergency option for construction if war breaks out and our new ballista catches on, but it would also popularize short hair, which is always a bonus.
We also don't NEED to make it out of wood. Iron or, preferably, bronze (due to corrosion-resistance and that it's likely cheaper than good iron) construction would mean we could keep the frames in storage and then make new springs on demand. Metal framed torsion ballistae existed, so I can see us making them. Could even do some standardized testing to make sights for them.
They could also serve as naval artillery. which Asha might like. Primitive artillery, yes, but better than a mangonel or onager that have to fire in a ballistic arc. Even a small one would likely wreak havoc on an unprepared target, as I doubt a Westerosi ship's carpenter is trained to operate under fire.
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>>6387024
Oh yeah, we are gonna make enemies out of Euron and Victarion probably at a minimum. Meanwhile we are already going to be contending with Cersei's psycho retardation, possibly Joffrey's, and Tywin's increasingly desperate, wicked bids to keep the whole house of cards together.
I think it's funny how most of Asha and Jason's most dangerous enemies will inevitably be their own disproportionately powerful and retarded family members, easily four of the most dangerous individuals in the entire setting. I also like how Balon sees Asha as a suitable heir, but Tywin sees us as ultimately unworthy and has to just make peace with it somehow.
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>>6387026
*You could definitely make them to fire bigger stones.
As an aside, these weren't just random rocks, they were carved "bullets" like how they carved slingstones. Maybe not shaped like a bullet, but definitely smoothed down to fly better.
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>>6387018
Really, the only thing they would be good at. Ironborn infantry really are the worst. Plus no cavalry.
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>>6387027
She needs to return to the Iron Islands and spend years as a pirate to build support. Otherwise, she won't have a chance to try. If we can somehow send her out and sailing again. Working together should be enough to allow her to claim the throne there. Something that even Tywin won't try to sabotage. Truthfully, she won't even need the Lannister army unless there is sieging just an extra fleet will give her the needed muscle to claim it.
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>>6387015
This this I like.
In terms of money the Lannisters are about to go bankrupt due to exhausted mines. Come to think of it would it be possible to design better mines or discover new veins? Or do we even have anything else of value for trade?
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>>6387033
You don't want the intestines, actually; you want the sinews. I suppose other fabrics (the stretchier the better!) would work, even if it might be sub-par. Or, again, hair. Horse hair works, I imagine, it's just that the greeks and romans weren't super big on horses.
Maybe we end up breeding the world's only horse breed intended for its hair and not labor/war.
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>>6387033
Animal sinew is pretty strong. Especially depending on the animal. Twisting it and tying it just makes it stronger. Though other materials would keep way better at sea. Salty air and water is harsh as hell on most things. If we could invent stainless steel, which is to say, non-corroding steel, we could use that and rope and make something mean as shit. Spring steels as its name implies springs back into shape when tension is removed, which is what swords and later period crossbows use for the "arms". So very stiff stainless spring steel would be ideal. Which I don't know if spring steel can be stainless steel off of the top of my head. But using normal spring steel and just taking care of it and keeping it dry and oiled would keep it safe during voyages and after use. And since it would be an alloy that is probably too stiff to be used for swords it wouldn't be missed as sorely as more springy spring steel.Take a shot for every time "Steel" comes up.
You could use iron for the arms but they can't take as much tension before deforming. Which makes them fine for hand-powered crossbows but not great for high-torsion ones which are usually crank or lever operated. Though you could also just use wood to similar effect as iron, because iron is actually pretty malleable until you work it into composition. It likes to bend and stay bent albeit far less than the likes of gold. Of course good steel comes from good iron.
Iron and gold are the two things that make this world go round. What a coincidence, a golden lion and an iron maiden are sitting in a room together.
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>>6387064
In a torsion Ballista, all of the power comes from the torsion spring, which is basically like... have you ever twisted something hanging from a string and watched it spin and go back to normal? That, but times ten-thousand. Necessarily the torsion spring is made from something springy/stretchy. Historically, out of hair or sinew; or as anon suggests, spring steel, although a fabric torsion spring and a metallic torsion spring look very different.
Ironwood would save weight because you can build the chassis lighter, but not really help in the power. That NEEDS hair/sinew/steel. That, and relying on foreign goods for a "superweapon" is a bad idea.
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>>6387064
Assuming they're canon here, yeah probably. If we want it to be at sea we might wanna lacquer it or something, though. I'm not well versed in how wood is treated for ship-building but a similar process would presumably be applied for building a weapon on the ship as is the material for the ship itself. It would simplify matters a fair bit. Though there is something to be said about eggs in baskets. Might be risky to rely upon a single source for our needs. However there would still be limits to how much power you could hold that way, since that would probably be more like a crossbow than a "proper" balliista. Which, granted, could still punch a hole through a ship's hull or potentially shatter a mast, but it wouldn't be able to threaten walls and reinforced fortress gates as well.
Then again, as opposed to fucking inventing new alloys, yeah that's much safer kek. Might be fun to dabble in metallurgy and chemistry like that, though. Maybe ask the Hound to smash some metal mixtures against some rocks or trees til they break or he gets tired of trying if he's feeling particularly angsty any given day. Until he gets whisked off to watch over everyone's least favorite psychopath at least.
For making a weapon that uses stored energy you need something springy and stretchy. Wood is definitely one of the best materials for this, but that's primarily in a question of ease of acquiring and cost-efficiency. Bows are a fine example of this, they hit the sweet spot of how hard a man could possibly pull to project something at speed. Wood makes for the best overall material. But for more power and more specialized construction you want more specific materials. You need the springyness to ensure the majority of the energy is being transferred into the projectile.
Granted, if Ironwood IS as good as is claimed, it's pretty fucking high up there in terms of utility in our use case. Assuming by iron hard they mean refined iron and not raw iron. However it would be pretty limited, given how stingy they are with handing it out to maintain replenishment rates. Steel would probably still be preferable, but if the question is between iron and ironwood, ironwood takes the cake.
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>>6387035
>Come to think of it would it be possible to design better mines or discover new veins?
Probably. I have never heard of mining innovation in Westeros. Or of innovation in general in Westeros. Essos is usually more ahead.
>Or do we even have anything else of value for trade?
The Westernlands are rocky hills-mountains. There is a minumum of agriculture, probably some sherpards with goats and sheeps, fishing on the coasts, trade with Lannisport and well mining of metallic ores. There is probably some stone mining as well.
If we had some power i would concentrate on goats/sheeps (kinda like medieval spain did), or on stone industry. I would naturally pick the second for facilitate our architectural project.
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Tywin stormed into the tent established for his family, something to avoid the peasant run Inns and journeying all the way back into the rock, and he filled it with the storm of his wroth. The entire day, infront of every bannerman, infront of every house that had come, infront of the King himself, his damnedable, pedestrian son had abandoned his place as Heir to the house. When he saw that the tent was empty of both Jason and that damn Ironborn wretch, Tywin Lannister nearly lost the tight chains he held around his emotions. With considerable effort, he reigned it in, and what would have been a shout came out as a firm, angry demand “Find them, find all of my damned children, that the Kraken girl as well. Do it quickly and without a scene.” He said, turning to Clegane and his men.
Sandor nodded, jerking his head to order his men and heading off to go lion hunting. Gregor stood, the Mountain ready to ride, but Tywin glared at him “You’ll stay here, I do not need you drawing attention to this.” He said, going over to some empty bottles of wine, then examining them. He growled out in annoyance before sitting down at a chair, pouring himself a cup of wine before beginning to look over messages and invoices for the tourney, focusing on his work to spread the Lannisters to every corner of the 7 kingdoms to keep from focusing on his anger.
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You had found them, thank the seven you found them when you did, cause the Septon had been so very close to marrying them both. You had found them in a different Inn, after asking for a dwarf with a lovely woman, until you finally found them. Tyrion and Tysha, lost in each others company, had nearly married one another it a fit of passion that you so desperately wished to have been allowed to pass. Instead you stepped forward and, as Asha sent the Septon packing, you grabbed hold of your brother’s shoulders “Tyrion, have you abandoned all sense?!”
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Tyrion looked at you with at first confusion, then hurt, then anger as he shook your grip from him “No, this is something that’s made more sense to me than anything else. I love this woman Jason, she feels the same for me, she sees me and accepts it. How could you stop me, when I’m trying to be happy, I tho-”
You slapped the side of his head admonishingly “Shut it you love drunk fool, I couldn’t be happier you found someone to love. If this were any other circumstance, I’d be angry I wasn’t invited to the wedding.” You said, shutting down whatever false betrayal Tyrion had been imagining.
“Oh…Then, why are you trying to stop me?”
“Because in every conceivable circumstance, Father will be angry with you over this. Marrying a woman below your station, a Lannister?” You say, seeing insult take in his expression “Oh in the Smith’s name, pull your wit from your cock and be the smart one like you always have been,” you say, standing tall and looking down at him, using his annoyance to focus him “Our father is a man who has wiped out whole families, who slew children and a mother to prove his loyalty, who has proven himself a terror to any and all who would stand in his way or earn his ire for any slight that may make the family or more importantly himself look bad. What is he going to do to you, the Son he already mistreats, when he discovers Tysha and you married beneath his nose?”
Tyrion listened to your words, Asha coming back and standing near the door, dagger at the ready as she kept watch. Tyrion played through the situation, first as the love drunk fool, then as the son of a noble family, then finally as Tyrion Lannister son of Tywin. His eyes went wide with terror, and he stumbled back as his hand went to his head, shock and fear settling in “I-i don’t know what he would do, but…anything he can devise is something I cannot allow to happen to Tysha.”
You let out a sigh of relief “Good, my brother is back in control instead of his little imp,” you said mockingly, earning you a slightly peeved punch from Tyrion. “Now, I’m not saying you stop seeing Tysha, but we need to handle this right, else everything will go wrong.”
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>>6387234
Tyrion nodded, thought for a moment, then nodded again “Yes…Yes you’re right…Thank the gods for you Brother, thank the gods you had the sense to stop me, All I had in my mind was Tysha and a hovel by the sea.”
Asha let out a laugh, and you couldn’t help but smile “Really? That’s all you had?” You turned to Tysha and bowed to her, making Tysha smile sheepishly “My lady, you have bested the greatest mind in the westerlands, rendered him insensible and a fool with but your voice and your smile, I never thought I’d see the day I was smarter than my twin.” You said, praising tysha and teasing your brother. You then turned “Alright, good we’ve stopped your self destruction, now we need to figure out a plan.”
“And Luckily, I have my father's heir right here. Makes it so I have options,”
“Abusing your brother’s position to hide your secret love, I feel so used.” You said mockingly, your brother smiling as he thought. You also began to think of ideas, as you may not be the equal to your brother you were still not a simpleton. No matter what you suggested, you were sure your brother would improve on the plan with his own adjustments.
>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha, using your authority as her betrothed and using your rising responsibilities as the Heir of the Rock to set the employment. Tyrion will have to keep his rendezvous with Tysha to secret visits and hidden passages, but it would avoid a marriage scandal. Tysha would be brought closer to Tywin as a servant of his house, but he would have to be careful with how he treated her to avoid scandal.
>Using your active projects to renovate and repair the Rock, construct hidden rooms and halls dedicated to Tysha and Tyrion, where they can build a home in the dense halls of the rock, lost in the clutter. Tysha would live in the rocks walls until it was safe for her and Tyrion to come out, but she could live in luxury and Tyrion could keep his meetings with her secret. However, even the miniscule scrubbing of the numbers could be seen with close enough scrutiny if you were not careful.
>Send Tysha away with gold, somewhere outside of Tywin’s reach. Then Have Tyrion follow her as soon as he can with his own supply of gold. Together, they can build a life far away from Tywin, disappearing beyond his reach, It would make it so Lord Tywin would be rid of his dwarf son, even if he may be angry to have been escaped from. However, if you did this, there was no guarantee you would be able to see Tyrion again anytime soon, or ever if he and Tysha were forced to go farther than you imagined. But Tyrion could be safe, happy, and loved.
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>Send Tysha away with gold, somewhere outside of Tywin’s reach. Then Have Tyrion follow her as soon as he can with his own supply of gold. Together, they can build a life far away from Tywin, disappearing beyond his reach, It would make it so Lord Tywin would be rid of his dwarf son, even if he may be angry to have been escaped from. However, if you did this, there was no guarantee you would be able to see Tyrion again anytime soon, or ever if he and Tysha were forced to go farther than you imagined. But Tyrion could be safe, happy, and loved.
Where do Dwarves go... to essos or Oldtown maybe?
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>>6387236
>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha, using your authority as her betrothed and using your rising responsibilities as the Heir of the Rock to set the employment. Tyrion will have to keep his rendezvous with Tysha to secret visits and hidden passages, but it would avoid a marriage scandal. Tysha would be brought closer to Tywin as a servant of his house, but he would have to be careful with how he treated her to avoid scandal.
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>>6387245
Well sure, it's not a bad plan, but it does mean we'd be entirely alone. Tyrion is the one person we can pretty much 100% trust, Asha is a nice girl but even she has her own agenda, even if that one doesn't end with us dead.
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>>6387236
Okay well for the sake of keeping things going
>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha
>But REINFORCE to Tyrion how important it is that even if he's found out, that it be as a simple affair rather than a marriage.
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>>6387236
>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha, using your authority as her betrothed and using your rising responsibilities as the Heir of the Rock to set the employment. Tyrion will have to keep his rendezvous with Tysha to secret visits and hidden passages, but it would avoid a marriage scandal. Tysha would be brought closer to Tywin as a servant of his house, but he would have to be careful with how he treated her to avoid scandal.
That's plan A. But we should be ready with the "take a lot of gold and run" option as Plan B. That way if Tywin finds out, things still won't turn out disastrously since we've already gotten the getaway route / secret destination / fake identities taken care of beforehand.
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>>Have Tysha pose as a lady in waiting or servant for Asha, using your authority as her betrothed and using your rising responsibilities as the Heir of the Rock to set the employment. Tyrion will have to keep his rendezvous with Tysha to secret visits and hidden passages, but it would avoid a marriage scandal. Tysha would be brought closer to Tywin as a servant of his house, but he would have to be careful with how he treated her to avoid scandal.
Must confess this feels like a repeat of the last vote - making a plan to protect Tyrion/Tysha - though I do appreciate having these solid options. I wish we could lean on our talent more, but let's just make sure Tyrion and Tysha have access to each other and access to the most clandestine parts of the rock to continue their romance. I definitely would not let them both go, we genuinely NEED Tyrion as an ally, regardless of our ambitions. If we end up aiming high (or more likely, Asha does, and ropes us in) we will absolutely need his intellect. But even if we decide to remain largely passive as a noble, we are going to have enemies and our house has problems and both will need a sharper mind.
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>>6387273
It's cool dude, barely a nuisance and compared to some of the ways I have fumbled as a QM, I would say you are doing a great job so far.
Plus I have contributed to absolutely blowing the shit out of this thread with all my yapping, you're a real relentless trooper to even try and keep up with this much deliberating about the future.
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>>6387245
Asha can easily vouch and make up excuses for her handmaid. If anything, Tywin would find it stranger that it wasn't Jason fucking his fiancée's maids instead. Tywin won't care much so long as it remains a whore treatment and no romance slips out. Which again is something Asha can easily cover up so long as they don't get too sloppy. A noble fucking the maids? Entirely expected. A noble falling in love with a maid on the other hand...
Of course if Asha really wanted to she could screw us or more specifically, Tyrion but we already made her back down on crossing that line. Via a match of fisticuffs that made her acknowledge the fact that we do have a spine and aren't doormat even if we do tolerate her antics, unlike any other nobleman in Westeros. Not like it's gonna save our reputation but honestly, that died when everyone realized we were the most mediocre child of Lannister of the batch...much less as heir. There is a reason why Jason is so chill.
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Jason has no idea what Asha's agenda is, except for a single hint when she accidentally revealed some info about warfare a lady shouldn't know or care about and her obvious desire to escape/return home. We also don't know that she finds Jason to be her type but doesn't know how to flirt like a lady, so it went completely over his head. All Jason knows is how rebellious she is, she terrorifies him, and surprisingly trustworthy despite kicking his ass.
Tyrion no doubt would notice a lot more oddities about her but is currently distracted by his own trouble and lovesick. So he isn't exactly on top of his game right now or he would be advising Jason a bit on how...odd his wife is. Not just as a tomboy.
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>>6387353
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So Ironwood is gonna be something we wanna prioritize stockpiling of. Easy to do with a contract with House Mormont. While Lannister lands are rich in mines too. Steel might be tricky until we bribe some maesters to help, which is easily doable. Sinew and hair will require more consideration but there have to be extensive horse farms given the extensive usage of heavy cavalry being the backbone of the seven kingdom armies, along with heavy infantry. None of them is exactly lacking in horse farms or industry. Just doesn't change how expensive and time-consuming a full plate is to make or the value of a well bred horse given the drastic demand.
Honestly, I think good lumber would be a bigger problem given how extensive the deforestation is in the seven kingdoms. Only really, the North has intact massive forests still. So we'll be spending a pretty penny on sourcing good lumber.
Also we should buy Asha a proper flagship as a wedding gift or something instead of the shitty pirate ship she'll start with. Make that shit out of ironwood with some nice toys and she'll be a proper terror who will be forced to learn that sea raiding tactics are how you die horribly in a proper naval engagement instead of against merchant ships or other pirates. Easy to arrange right now too because the Lannisters have to rebuild their fleet currently.
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>>6387437
>Easy to do with a contract with House Mormont.
Or, if they're considered canon here, House Forrester perhaps? In the game, they had a whole thing about selling Tyrion Ironwood. But we could do it ourselves.
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wait, shit
what excuse are we going to tell Tywin when we get dragged back to the tent and yelled at for running off?
If we want to score more affection from Asha, we could try to take the blame by saying "This was all my idea, don't punish her" even though this would bring down even more wrath upon poor Jason
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>>6387452
Absolutely do not say that, do you want to so obviously reveal your weaknesses?
"The sun's touch was heavy on the day father, So I proposed that we get to know the people of lanisport and refresh ourselves with a beer. We found Tyrion naturally and spent our time together bonding. A strong marriage is better for your plans with the Iron islands than a weak one, and I think she took well to Tyrion's wit, if not the people."
It's clearly our idea, it's done for good intentioned reasons, gives Tyrion an alibi for where the fuck he's been, and we clearly aren't asking for punishment when we are asking for praise.
So the punishment is a withholding of it.
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>>6387470
Honestly might be a better idea, framed as youthful mistakes.
my main concern is using too many lies. Half truths are a better bed for manipulation, since they take less effort to remember and are still mostly true.
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>>6387471
This, if we lie and someone reports we were seen at a tavern or something it'll be bad. If we just say "We were getting to know our new wife" that would probably just get us a basic lecture on responsibility, but nothing too bad.
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>>6387471
Alright then, if we can avoid the hound or see him coming just grab Asha and kiss her/smack her/tear a piece of clothing to look like we were about to get it on forcefully.
It's not like we arent interested in her and haven't fought her so it's likely Tywin will overlook the more inconvenient answer for the one he likes, that we are shaping up and manning up.
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>>6387445
That will work. Really, we need to sign some contracts with whatever Northern Houses needed. As a Lannister we'll pay premium prices. while Tywin isn't about to look twice at it because 1 we are the heir doing his 'duty' and 2 they need a new fleet anyhow.
>>6387452
Are you retarded?
Both Tywin and Asha are up shit creek with Tywin regardless. He despises us for being so mediocre compared to the rest of his children. We are only barely above Tyrion because at least we aren't a dwarf.
We already scored affection with Asha; she just doesn't trust us yet for obvious reasons. Asha only becomes a problem if we try to prevent her antics or block her ambitions. She is 'easy' to handle like that.
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>>6387473
Probably a better idea to be honest. Unlike other women, it's not like Asha is gonna mind or be scandalized. If anything, she'll be more annoyed that we didn't follow through with it. Not that we know that, given her Ironborn failed seduction. Just give Asha a heads-up. Tear our clothing a bit and leave some heavy hickeys on each other.
Tywin cannot even bitch about it too much because at least it's our fiancée and we ARE horny teenagers. Better than a bastard and an early marriage is tolerable, given his ambitions. Plus, it will distract him from Tyrion and how sloppy he got with Tysha.
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We look like we got our ass kicked, which will require its own explanation, and 'we tried to rape our wife and she kicked our ass because of it' is NOT gonna be an acceptable answer. We are probably just going to get flogged or something no matter what in this situation. Unfortunate we weren't able to de-escalate the fight with Asha after we punched her. But at least we won't make these mistakes again.
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>>6387487
>is NOT gonna be an acceptable answer.
1. We can explain with her being an Irborn savage
2. We have previous incidents that may be public knowledge of those shit
3. We can pass it off as a kink
4. This is Tywin we're talking about consent is not a factor he really cares about.
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>>6387437
If you want to get REALLY fucky, you can have Jason learn about ship engineering. Which is to say, learn about buoyancy. Then you realize you don't need wood at all and you just need to make the ship fatter to displace more water. No need for an ironclad, we could just make an iron ship. Note, this would be a disastrous idea and the hull would all but disintegrate in the harsh seawater.
But making steel isn't too complicated. Spring steel is already used for swords here. Granted, not to the quality and standards of today, and probably less than the later medieval periods. There are probably plenty of smiths playing with various steel compositions to try and make better stuff for their own works. And yeah, with maesters using grant money to try and discover something new, but they're probably doing more mad alchemy shit than material science shit. All it really is at this point is making steel but adding more or less carbon, throwing in other metals, maybe pissing in it to see if that does anything.
Metallurgy is fun. It's just a bunch of "smash my blocks together and see what happens" for the most part. Throw some aluminum in. Maybe throw some tungsten in. Fuck it, throw in some obsidian sand, who gives a shit? Just have fun with it. And when it doesn't work you just throw it out of the third story window without looking at who may or may not be standing below it.
>>6387487
Could just say we got drunk and hit each other. To see who is tougher. Like dumb kids, especially boys, are wont to do. He'll probably oblige us by having our ass beat, but still. Any lapse in reasoning we can blame on being shitfaced.
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>>6387497
I agree that when it comes to the bruises, the truth is honestly sufficient.
Asha said something horrible about our mother, so we hit her, and then she started hitting back. The brawl ended without anyone getting seriously hurt, nor any long-term grudges.
Normally he'd be completely pissed, but he might be slightly less mad about starting a fight with Asha since it was about defending the memory of Tywin's wife aka the woman he loved with all his heart.
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>>6387497
>Why make the claim of rape?
I think I was just inferring that from the idea of 'just tell him we were trying to bone', because how else would that involve us getting our shit rocked?
All in all I think we have done a good job playing with each hand we have been dealt, but I guess I also feel that at a certain point the house has to win, so to say - it'll be ok if we can't lie our way out of being held accountable for bailing on the tournament and getting into a bar fight. I'd have risked worse to save Tyrion and Tysha from nightmarish Tywin trauma.
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>>6387506
Yeah, I don't see any way in which we avoid getting in trouble.
But I do want us to frame our story in the best light we can to defuse as much of the issue as we can.
It also sets the groundwork for how we play the Game, I'd prefer to base it on half truths rather than audacity and bluster.
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That is what hickeys are for and it's not like we aren't gonna get in fights with her again. She is an Ironborn tomboy and wannabe first Reaver Queen. The hickeys at least make it look like it wasn't about an active fight but more kinky foreplay instead of us just getting our asses kicked by a girl. Which WILL be unacceptable.
Thinking that we are both kinky who prefer a good fight and getting roughed up before as foreplay is far more acceptable.
>>6387495
He only cares that she isn't crippled/disfigured to avoid a diplomatic incident and will be only mildly annoyed from an early marriage if we knock up our fiancée early. He will be much more pissed if we fight and lose to our wife instead of it just being foreplay because we both apparently like fighting first before fucking. She IS an Ironborn savage after all.
>>6387504
That will enrage Tywin for no reason at all. Let them think its us being kinky and can easily be proven via hickeys.
>>6387508
Except there are witnesses at the bar. Rough foreplay is acceptable and easily believable with ready proof via hickeys and torn clothes.
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>>6387508
Oh yeah, I like this. We can say they tried to rob us or were picking on Tyrion or something. Still risky that someone at the tavern will rat, the guards would probably have tracked us there first? But worth the gamble. What's he gonna do if we found out we lied on top of flaking and getting beat up? Beat us twice?I mean, yeah... Probably four times... Sigh... It's ok, we wouldn't be a Lannister without the Tywin trauma.
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>>6387498
I think Jason is doomed to learn more about boatbuilding for the simple fact that he is gonna be beyond frustrated that his building blocks keep getting knocked down while at sea. Inspiring him to figure out how to build around that. His grasp of sieging will also likely come from being encouraged by Asha when she notices his talent for architecture and him considering the weapons that COULD damage/ruin his precious buildings. He loves his nerdy ass hobby. It's the only fun thing that brings him joy in life that he is actually good at.
Maesters are superior masters with metallurgy so long as we find the ones with the right rings. Hence sending a bounty to Old Town with a reward for whoever gives us what we want. Really not that difficult just gonna pay for it and let the Maesters handle it because they need the gold for their studies and research. Trying to use smiths will take too long and be inefficient.
>>6387506
Exactly. Use hickeys as proof that it wasn't just us getting our ass kicked by a girl. That instead, we were trying to fuck our fiancée while shitfaced but mostly failed.
>>6387512
We'll get less punishment if he thinks Jason tried to fuck his fiancée before the wedding because drunk horny teenager and got into a fight with her but later made up with each other via hickeys and weren't able to go all the way by getting interrupted by the guys sent to search for us.
100% believable of a horny drunk teenaged nobleman and thank fuck it wasn't with some random whore/paramour or resulted in a bastard. The worst-case scenario would have been an early wedding. Which doesn't really at all clash with Tywin's plans, besides his annoyance of having to move up the estimated timetable a little.
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>>6387516
I'm gonna ask that you stop insisting on lovebites now, case has been made and anything more is just feeding into fetishism.
We also haven't got the timeline laid out, or a cohesive story beyond "getting to know our betrothed better" or a unified idea of how to explain away the bruises we got.
Maybe simplicity is best and we lean on "we wanted to do X, but after the drink it's a little hard to remember what else we did".
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Jason ran his fingers through his golden hair, running through plans that manifested from his mind. He was not as smart as Tyrion, and nowhere near as clever Cersei thought she was, but that did not mean he was a simpleton. He was a highly educated noble scion, whose brother had helped in his education to survive his father’s expectations. He was average, but that still placed him higher than many lords and their sons. “...Lady Asha, you have yet to be equipped with a proper staff, correct?”
Asha looked away from her duties as lookout to you, raising a brow “What are you talking about? I’ve barely been given a breath let alone a staff to command.” She said, her annoyance plain.
“Well as the Betrothed of the Heir to the Rock, and a lady of noble birth, of one of the great houses of Westeros, that simply will not do. We will have to get you a chauffeur, perhaps an attendant,” you cast a knowing glance to Tyrion who was already understanding and improving your plan “A Ladies in waiting or maid perhaps?”
The dwarf’s mismatched eyes lit up, and he was already taking your plan and improving upon it, finding flaws to smooth out, ways to obfuscate all the little details, before nodding “That just might work,” he said, before walking to Tysha and gently taking her hands in his “Tysha, I do not want to put you in danger, and I do not want to be without you. As a maid, you would live amongst nobility, and while you would have duties, you would remain close to me, and enjoy the benefits of such a life. However, I understand if you would rather have your freedom, your ability to come and go. So tell me, is this plan alright with you?”
Tysha smiled down at Tyrion, leaning down and placing a gentle kiss on his forehead, tender and a benediction before she spoke “Tyrion, if it keeps us together, I’ll endure what I must. And one day perhaps, when the world is kinder, when we are away from your father’s gaze, we may perhaps…?”
Tyrion nodded, taking Tysha’s hands in his own and pressing his forehead to her lowered one, the sight of the Peasant girl crouching to her knees to share the touch with Tyrion making you smile “Of course, oh of course Tysha. Were I able, we would marry tonight and find our lives elsewhere. But for now, know that my Brother who loves me will one day inherit, and that has made it plain that he shall attend our wedding.”
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You smiled, looking to Asha and questioning if she was fine with this with a brief exchange of expressions, getting her annoyed nod. “It shall be my honor to one day call Tysha a sister, certainly it will be an improvement over the current one.”
(+1 disposition to Asha, 6/20)
The plan was settled, and Tyrion told Tysha to prepare herself and they would send for her. Then Asha held up her hand, readying her knife, before surging out before either you or Tyrion could warn her.
Her wrist was grabbed by a mailed fist, connected to a massive man, connected to a ruined face that dripped with annoyance and barely contained anger at the world. Asha quickly sent a fist at Sandor Clegane’s face, only for his mailed fist to slam into her stomach so hard she lifted in the air, her eyes going wide and spittle flying from her mouth before she went limp in his grasp. His gaze passed over the two Lannisters and the peasant girl, your heart pounding as it became cold, the presence of one of your father’s personal knights, having been so close.
“S-sandor, I-” You shrugged off the fear, this was no time to be weak. Men did not listen to weak timid men, and your betrothed would abide one even less. You stood straight “Clegane, release Lady Asha at once, you have done enough.” You said, emulating your father’s tone as best as you could as you stepped forward, Clegane hesitating only a second to lock eyes with you before he dropped Asha with casual disregard, catching her in your arms. She was still conscious, but she was struggling to right herself and likely her diaphragm.
Tyrion stood between Sandor and Tysha, pulling out a dirk and seeming ready to die, Tysha frozen stiff at the sight of the terrifying Hound of Lannister. Sandor looked at the collection of younger people, the terrifying knight of one and nine and yet having killed more men than either Tyrion or yourself. Still, you stood tall too, standing with your brother “How much did you hear?” Tyrion said, fear making him voice obvious questions.
Sandor had an intelligence in his eyes that many missed, eyes drawn to his burns more often than not, and it was clear he had heard everything and understood everything. A rising growl came out of the young knight, a hand resting on his sword “You mean how much of your damned prattling did I hear? Enough to know I don’t fucking care.” he said, moving forward with strength and ease grabbed the collars of both you, Asha, and Tyrion and began to drag all three of you bodily, Sandor kicking Asha’s dagger away and violenting shaking Tyrion until he dropped his dirk.
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Before he left, he placed a withering gaze on Tysha and with a cruel growl said “Fuck off Lass, you won’t be getting any of the dwarf’s coin today. Try your luck with the next idiot boy,” he said, before he whisked you all away. Tysha watched you all go, worry on her face but knowing she could not follow.
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The Old Lion towered over you all, his gaze withering and his displeasure a mask for his rage as Sandow Clegane stood at the ready nearby. “Well done Clegane, where did you find them?” he said, his gaze briefly going back to his documents. You felt a sting in your heart even as you were used to this ploy, you were not important enough for his full attention, not to the Lord of Lannister. You knew the trick, how it was meant to make you feel small and give Tywin control by him defining the importance of the matter, yet all the same you fell into it, years in your father’s shadow doing much.
“Drinking in a back water tavern, some damned place with a dancing bear or some shite.” Clegane said, his crassness not making your father flinch who was already used to it.
Tywin did not immediately reply, signing off some letter or moving some document in its proper place before looking up “Well, come on then. Say something clever, give me whatever excuse or blithe fabrication you’ve conjured up to justify you wasting family gold on a place barely above a gutter.” Neither you or Tyrion spoke up, the atmosphere telling you that speaking would have been the worst thing to do.
“The King himself asked where you were Jason, for whatever reason he had to care, and with that everyone saw my Heir had found something more important than the Tourney in the king’s honor that required his attention. And from the witnesses I’ve found, that was going from every wine sink and backwater pub across Lannisport, ultimately ending up at the same one this one decided to bless with my gold.” Tywin said, pointing first at you, then to Tyrion. He then pointed to Asha and you as his gaze seemed to peel everything away “Care to explain why you and your Betrothed share bruises and scrapes, why I heard that my SON,” his voice suddenly rose to thunder, you and Tyrion shrinking away and even Asha shifting even as she kept her glare at Tywin “struck woman he was to marry, and started a brawl?!”
He was fuming now, his control slipping now as he dropped his full attention on you, and it was suffocating.
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>>6387528
How do you respond?
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
>Blame Asha for dragging you away from the Tourney, with you seeking out Tyrion for a familiar face and knowing he would be somewhere welcoming to the Lannister presence. Claim the brawl was born of an argument that went to far.
>Stand tall and say, in clear terms, that the Tourney bored you and Asha, so once you were free of it you brought her with you to do anything else. Claim that you started the fight, and that you found getting beaten in a brawl more stimulating than Tywin’s mummer’s play for respect.
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>>6387529
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
I don't think she'll be much offended by this, would she? She seems smart enough to realize Tywin is a creepy moffo.
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>>6387529
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
That last option is tempting. But Jason needs his ass to sit a horse, can't have daddy belting it off
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>>6387528
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
Time to admit to being a horny ass teenager and hope Asha will roll with it.
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>>6387529
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
>Blame Asha for dragging you away from the Tourney, with you seeking out Tyrion for a familiar face and knowing he would be somewhere welcoming to the Lannister presence. Claim the brawl was born of an argument that went to far.
Mix these together. Asha convinced us to sneak out of the tent to go and have some real fun, and we, foolishly, agreed. We decided to see Tyrion, got drunk, and we and Asha said things that made us start throwing punches. We CANNOT put all of the blame on Asha, we were ENTIRELY within our right mind and were just being stupid.
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>>6387527
>Asha quickly sent a fist at Sandor Clegane’s face, only for his mailed fist to slam into her stomach so hard she lifted in the air, her eyes going wide and spittle flying from her mouth before she went limp in his grasp.
Idunno why it didn't occur to me sooner but Sandor should ALSO be in our retinue to teach Asha how to fight. Kinda like his dynamic with Arya, just closer in age.
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>>6387529
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
I think this will do, he already knows we started the fight, and again, just no way out of getting shit-stomped for this one, but that's an inevitability in this household. Would love to pick option three but we'll wait until we have more weight to throw around. I hope Asha rubs off on us and we eventually just bump Tywin off to speed up the transition to Patriarch. We could design a 'retirement home'dungeonfor him on the islands...
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>>6387539
The whole idea to sneak out was Asha's; OUR fuck up was agreeing. We both screwed up, and pretending otherwise is stupid, plus, I very much doubt Asha would appreciate us trying to cover for her. She's not some greenlander princess in need of protecting, after all.
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>>6387537
We'll gain Sandor's loyalty when we trade Mountain's head to Obyrn to help make peace with the Martells. As Sandor is definitely gonna wanna be a part of that scheme. Personally I dread what will happen when Asha and Arya meet. Asha will discover the first girl she wants as a daughter in law and Arya will find her first role model. Oh boy, the trouble those two will cause together...
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Take responsibility and don't blame a woman for it. DON'T BRING UP TYRION! We need to keep Tywin focused on us and overlooking our brother.
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>>6387542
>DON'T BRING UP TYRION!
Mother fucker Tywin already knows we were hanging out with Tyrion! Sandor overheard enough and Tywin's not a giant fucking retard, he already KNOWS we've been spending time with our brother all day!
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>>6387542
>when we trade Mountain's head
Eh, I don't wanna wait that long though? I'd like to take him on as a bodyguard when we tell Tywin that we wanna take Tyrion and the wife (and her maid!) on a sabbatical to visit the different kingdoms and put some hair on our chest. We could bro with him and when we realize he hates Gregor, we can help him get his revenge and ship the corpse to Dorne after. Does that sound like a plan to you?
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>>6387548
If Tywin gets over his rage at us long enough to question Sandor due to how much he hates his other son, Tyrion is fucked. Right now, Sandor purposefully let Tysha go and glossed over it to Tywin, which is why Tywin is only raging at us right now. Sandor is already trying to cover for us the best he can but he won't be able to outright lie to his liege if he's properly questioned. So let Tywin overlook Tyrion and focus on raging at us. Don't throw away what Sandor gave us.
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>>6387550
Anon, I'm putting my hand on your should and speaking very slowly when I say this, but literally just saying "I decided I wanted to go have a drink with my brother (whom Tywin KNOWS we're very close with) and things got out of hand" isn't going to cause Tywin to chimp out at Tyrion any more than he already is.
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>>6387549
The best we can get is Gregor as a bodyguard because Mountain is Tywin's #1 enforcer. We cannot borrow the mountain for that long despite being heir. We go to Dorne to meet to secretly with Obryn, the only Martell willing to meet us sincerely if we offer to lure out the Mountain for him. Sandor will also pounce on it and look the other way. Providing us a middleman for whatever plan is concocted to take out the Mountain. Once the Mountain is dead, Obryn will vouch for us to the other Martell's and Sandor will be loyal to us. Two birds one stone.
If we cut out the Martells from the plot, they are still gonna be angry at us and we would miss the best opportunity possible to open up some diplomatic channels with them. The Martells want personal revenge against the Mountain too.
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>>6387553
>The best we can get is Gregor as a bodyguard because Mountain is Tywin's #1 enforcer. We cannot borrow the mountain for that long despite being heir.
Gregor is the Mountain, though, and I am explicitly saying we should take SANDOR as our bodyguard instead. With Jaime as Kingsguard, Sandor is Tywin's #2 hitter and is eventually set as Joffrey's bodyguard because he is heir to the throne. He hasn't been born yet, and we are a legitimate heir to house Lannister, so there's no reason we shouldn't be able to get dibs on him as our muscle and especially for a world tour like some of us have been discussing?
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>>6387549
>Father might I take a tour to ingratiate myself and learn the customs of the various kingdoms?
>You can read about them.
Foiled! kek I'd 100% be down to clown with Sandor though. His manner is so offputting it's almost endearing. The fact he's actually somehow principled despite having nearly no morals is also impressive. Were that he born to a different house he might have been one of the finest of men and warriors.
I can also imagine a conversation with him
>"Your brother, he scares me, Sandor."
>"That's cause you're a pansy."
>"It seems reasonable to fear someone who can crush my skull with his bare hands."
>"You're a fucking fool for choosing my company then."
>"You'd at least want a reason before making my head into a soup bowl."
>"Fuck off back to your sea-slut."
Funny man that Clegane.
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>>6387558
Yeah, I suppose he COULD shut us down... But the main plot of the books doesn't kick off for another what 10, maybe 15 years? QM may have other interesting stuff planned, but our honeymoon turning into a world tour is like the PERFECT way to give Asha the room to cultivate her sailing and pirating skills, and bond with Sandor + Tyrion both, let Tyrion and Tysha have all the privacy they need to enjoy each other's company, and build up a retinue handpicked from across the realm so we are ready to inherit our houseand survive the multiple civil wars, the Targaryen invasion from Essos, and the Night King invasion from beyond the wall
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>>6387529
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
>Blame Asha for dragging you away from the Tourney, with you seeking out Tyrion for a familiar face and knowing he would be somewhere welcoming to the Lannister presence. Claim the brawl was born of an argument that went to far.
What can you expect from a savage Ironborn whore?
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>>6387560
The night king was just a stark who got some Other strange, used his new ice elf wifey to take over the wall for a few years, then got double teamed by the starks and wildlings and died.
The show version was just more stupid shit shat out by Dumb and Dumber
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>>6387563
It doesn't though?
Tywin wouldn't let use take Gregor as a personal bodyguard because Gregor is his #1 henchman and is needed for war crimes.
There is already a precedent established of Sandor being a backup henchman and deployed as a bodyguard for children/descendents of Tywin that are in line to inherit status.
We are the heir to the Rock and thus will be assigned a bodyguard, and that individual will be among the most capable killers in Tywin's employ, but again, can't be Gregor.
Can you explain why we can't arrange for Sandor to be our personal bodyguard?
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To play devil's advocate, Sandor may well be sent to Cersei still because she's gonna be away from home, while Jason is likely going to be stuck for the most part in Lion territory. So he doesn't strictly need the best bodyguard just some decent men in large enough number. Granted this only really comes into play once Joffrey is born. Since he'd still be an important piece on the board even if he isn't the heir apparent to the Lannister name. Of course, who knows what Tywin would rather do. I am not smart enough to suppose at that.
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>>6387529
>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
Tywin will know that we're lying and keeping shit secret, but hopefully we can use the secret of why the brawl started to bury/mask the secret of Tyrion being in love.
If we're lucky, his priority of being pissed off will go: being seen hitting our betrothed in public > being absent when the king asked where we were > being at a shitty low-class tavern > trying to have sex with Asha before marriage > hanging out with Tyrion > Tyrion trying to sleep with a "prostitute"
So the lie is that hitting her was part of the sexy time, which is covering up the truth that it was because she badmouthed Tyrion and our Mother, which is covering up the truth that Tyrion tried to get married.
I guess the only hole in our story is why tf were we with Tyrion if we supposedly wanted to try and have sex with Asha. Maybe we wanted his advice on how to seduce her? Or we wanted to ask him for a place with good booze that wouldn't ask questions? Sure, we can say that we simply wanted to visit him (the truth), but that truth runs counter to our lie about wanting to have sex with Asha.
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>>6387584
The best part is even if the King finds out that it's because the Lannister heir was trying to fuck his fiancée, he'll just laugh his ass off about it and approve of his younger brother in law's actions. He won't even be mad. That is assuming he bothers to ask.
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>>6387529
>Stand tall and say, in clear terms, that the Tourney bored you and Asha, so once you were free of it you brought her with you to do anything else. Claim that you started the fight, and that you found getting beaten in a brawl more stimulating than Tywin’s mummer’s play for respect.
I'd bet that Robert would think we're cool if he knew what we were up to. It's the kind of shit he got up to in his youth with ol' Ned.
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>>6387498
I meant to post this earlier, but iron ships are a thing and did just fine with proper quality control. The Great Eastern being the best example thereof, which was a 30,000 ton behemoth built in 1850something. It was the largest ship in the world by three times and wouldn't be dethroned for fifty years.
Far more reasonable is the act of sheathing the bottom in copper to defeat fouling.
What we REALLY need is the Bessemer Process, but I doubt we'll figure that out.
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>>6387618
I think it's more a concern of having iron of proper qualities than iron itself in the current period of time. As in, the iron we have is probably not going to be treated properly and processed correctly to avoid the rust. But I was really vague about it and that was foolish of me. I was still unaware of The Great Eastern. Which is really, really fucking cool. I may not know much about boats, but damn if they aren't awesome.
We may be able to get blast furnaces up and running, though. Which is certainly a step in the right direction. Probably better than bloomeries. Well, probably not. I wonder if we could fund the discovery of wootz style steel. It ain't Valyrian, but it's still cool.
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>Claim that you and Asha sought to deepen your connection, and it was best done away from the tourney. Imply that the fight was a prelude for a dalliance, something born of drink and Ironborn custom.
I think this is the clear winner after a glance. I’ll start writing.
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“After Asha and I retired from the Tourney, we did take some time to cool down and take a break from the noise. However,” you said, looking to Asha then sparing a smile before meeting your father’s gaze again with a stern expression “well, we had yet to have time alone together. I felt that, with her majority coming soon and our wedding to follow…” you said, watching you father nod and confirm that was indeed the plan. You could feel Asha’s discomfort and frustration at that idea, but you continued “we should deepen our connection. We agreed that a break from the tourney, a time to spend with each other that wasn’t sitting in a booth, was best. It started simple, and well..”
You trailed off, allowing a smile at the memory of the drinks, food, and song you shared with Asha. Though you were stretching the truth, there was still truth to stretch. “We had a bit much to drink, had a bit too much merriment, and it ended in a brawl, though it was meant to prelude…other activities.” You said, catching Asha’s back stiffening and her cheeks growing a shade redder as you avoided your father’s stair.
“And did it?” Your father asked neutrally, bluntly, first to you then shifting a glance to the Hound.
The hound spoke, his youth buried beneath gruffness earned by hardship “I found the little Lion and the squid fully clothed with the Imp. Seems to me the twin managed to stop the other from doing something stupid. Didn’t stop the dwarf from taking a whore of course, but well.” Sandor said with a shrug, you noticing how his word was completely true yet shifted the narrative to your favor.
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>>6387686
Tywin kept his gaze on Sandor for a few tense minutes, the smaller clegane standing unflinching the whole time. Finally, Tywin sighed a sat down “Tyrion, for once you managed to prevent some amount of shame on this house.” He said, pinching the bridge of his nose. He then leveled a glare on to you “And you, the first time you do something of note and it’s attempting to emulate those Ironborn savages and sully the family name with a bastard. I’m just fortunate enough to have it so any babe you had would be born after your marriage, though keeping such a thing secret may have been impossible.” He said, his attention turning to the papers “You manage to show you have one trait that is not irritatingly mundane, and you choose incompetence to be it.”
You knew that you had won, you knew that you had skirted disaster, you knew that on some level you had snuck something past your father. All the same, the words struck deep, struck hard past all logic and certainty. You knew your father treated you as a tool, you knew he would have preferred Jaime over you, you knew all of this. Yet all the same, every time it was confirmed you felt your heart seize, and a pressure behind your eyes form. Once again, a disapointment. Once again, falling short of anything. Once again, a failure by virtue of lacking perfection.
You kept quiet, standing tall and consciously controlling every muscle in your face, to not betray the latest hurt your father gifted you, yet all the same you knew he was aware. He did it on purpose, yet the rational part of your mind was drowned out by a simple truth: You were a young man, staring up to a giant, and felt the disappointment in him. Along with the ghost held to your name, to the parent you never got to see. Another mark added to you, another proof that you had not been worth it.
“Get out of my sight, all of you. Tomorrow you will attend the Tourney and the feast with the king, and you will suffer through whatever frivolous complaints you may have until it is done with. You will have stricter guards, The Hound amongst them.” He said, looking to Sandor “You are to keep them where they are supposed to be, even if you have to force the issue.” The hound nodded, then Tywin looked to you all “If you embarass me infront of the Realm again, I’ll ensure harsher punishments for Lady Asha, and greater responsibilities on you Jason.” He said, your heart tightening at the idea of Asha suffering.
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>>6387687
You were dismissed, quietly leaving to your tents. Tyrion spared you a glance, before entering his own tent, while you and Asha were forced into your shared one.
There was a silence, you staring at a tapestry depicting your houses Sigil. The golden lion, standing proud over you, just like your father, just like the Rock.
You felt Asha staring at your back, but you focused forward, staring at the Tapestry as your jaw tightened until your ears began to ring. You held your arms behind your back, nails digging through the doublet’s sleeves, as you stood perfectly still. You sensed Asha take a step forward, then past you to the bed, silently getting undressed and ready to sleep. She spared you glance, one you saw from the corner of your eye, but you did not meet it. The Tapestry had your full attention, ravenous as it was.
“Are you…”
“I’ll sleep on the Sofa tonight Lady Asha,” you said, voice hard and brittle but still like steel. A steel you had hammered to shape many a time. “I…I will stay awake a little longer, and I would not wish to invade your bed with Obligation as my only excuse.” You said.
Asha didn’t reply. There was a pause, then the shuffling of sheets, then the tent dimmed as she snuffed the light out. You were left in the dark, save for the golden reflection of the lion staring down at you. Your sleep did not come soon.
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>>6387688
(Next Major event)
>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)
>The marriage of Jason Lannister to Asha Greyjoy (1 year timeskip. Formality as this occurs no matter what, but gives you a chance to earn more Disposition with her)
>Gerrion Lannister begins his plans to seek Brightroar, the year of 291 (2 year time skip, a chance to interfere with or join the expedition.)
>Tywin leaves the Rock to solidify Lannister presence in King’s landing, leaving Jason in control in his stead in 295 (7 year time skip, Tywin seeks to solidify power and trusts Jason to not set the Rock on fire.)
>Tywin Sends Jason to take on the position of Master of Stone, a position he has paid considerable effort to get you. Your duties would be to advise the king on matters of construction, both Urban and Rural, roads, castles, and everything else. It’s a minor seat, but it places another Lannister in the council, places you close to power, and will give you time to make connections and hopefully amount to something while Tywin continues to solidify the dynasty through endebting lesser houses, securing marriages, whatever else. (7 year time skip, alternative to Tywin leaving the rock.)
>Other?
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>>6387690
>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)
Lets save the timeskip for after we meet the king/Big Bobby G/hopefully maybe Rhaegar.
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>>6387690
>>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)
I can see it now
>"You like playing with rocks, boy? You touched in the head or just slow?"
As well as Cersei doing Cersei things. AKA being a cunt.
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Also we should thank Sandor some time. A Lannister always pays their debts and all, right? Maybe get him some furniture better suited for above average stature. Simple but thoughtful. Not something frilly and useless to a man as spartan as he is.
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>>6387721
Not a canon thing, but I'd like to float some character interactions. Stuff like meeting the other prospective wives that weren't chosen. Making Asha a ship in a bottle or model ship. Carving Tyrion a nutcracker that can also double as a bottle holder. Getting Jaime a little sword on a necklace, with a functioning little scabbard, naturally. Watching Joffrey slip on some stairs and give himself a fat bruise and swollen lip. Etc. Just little throwaway things.
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>>6387721
Spending some time with our favorite uncle whoever that is... Kevan, I'd guess.
Learning about Cersei and Jaime's relationship and figuring out how to react to that shit.
Being a good uncle to Cersei's kids when we can, and maybe even younger cousins like Gerion's bastard Joy.
Achieving and maintaining a respectable relationship with Sandor. Would rather he be our sworn shield than Joffrey desu.
Combining Asha's skill in sailing with ours in architecture to create some novel siege warfare contraption like a naval helepolis, and maybe use it on a place like Riverrun.
Dealing with Asha's family and whatever that involves.
Somehow getting the Valyrian steel sword from the Ironborn's House Drumm, which presumably was taken from the Reynes.
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>>6387690
>Feast with the king, gives you a chance to interact with Robert, Jon Arryn, Cersei, Joffrey, and the rest of his court. (No time skip)
Draw up plans to expand the number of Toll castles on lannister fiefs and Toll/guard gates in westerland passages to increase revenue and present them to Tywin.
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>>6387721
I would like to hit the tournies as an excuse to travel Westeros and meeting various characters while building our own retinue. Do that before we get stuck on a boat with Asha. Pretty sure some important ones happen, like with the one with Obryn crippling that other powerful Reach noble by accident. Asha's reaction to her father's gift of crew, retinue, and raiding ship.
Also develop additional skills, starting with architecture, such as siegecraft and defensive warfare.
>>6387738
I love the ship in a bottle or model for Asha.
>>6387746
I like these too. Would be nice to react with other Lannisters.
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>>6387719
Yeah wasn't expected to see him do more than just not narc, but actually lend a real hand. I think he has a sympathy for Tyrion because of his disfigurement that he won't admit, and probably loses as they become adults and Tyrion becomes more of a smarmy cad. Sparing him this huge heartbreak, I expect he'll keep the wit but lose the lust and alcoholism!
>>6387738
I LOVE the idea of a model ship in a bottle for Asha....
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>>6387760
I think we have every reason to push for him as our bodyguard, especially since it seems he's now been assigned to chaperone us more. As far as loyalty goes, I think we could do way worse. He kills an innocent child on the orders of Joffrey and Cersei, and only abandons his post due to Joffrey 1) abandoning HIM and his army at a pivotal battle 2) being a crazy evil psycho. If he ends up hanging with a chill Lannister (to say nothing of our swashbuckling bro wife) I think he might even end up liking his job, and maybe the honorable side of him will get to breathe and grow.
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I think this feast is the perfect place to pitch the World Tour(tm). We should present the idea as a honeymoon plan when Robert inevitably asks about the wedding, and look expectantly to Tywin. In private, he might still acknowledge the value of the idea and even appreciate the initiative. But if we sit in front of the king and his entourage and suggest we want to travel his kingdoms, learn about our peers, and better develop our skills with foreign tutors for a time so we best can serve him when we come into our house? Rob will obviously love the idea of a Lannister that wants some adventure and variety, and it would make Tywin look both unambitious and unwise to shut us down in front of the others. At least part of the journey will require sailing too, so we could buy her a starter ship, and maybe our wedding present to her are blueprints for a proper galleon or something?
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Asha opened her eyes, letting out a groan as she excavated herself from the sheets and softness of the feather mattress given to her, luxuries that no Ironborn would revel in or bother with but were expected for any woman of her station. She had to admit the sleep was comfortable, for a time at least. She missed the smell of salt, the shake of the sea, the feeling of freedom in all directions around her. Instead, she made due with the lion cage around her, and the single door that was left a crack open.
Asha rose from the bed, her hair a mess and no grace in her as she flopped out of bed and shuffled across the room to have a morning cup of wine, her pallet already becoming reshaped to appreciate the southerner blends.
She crossed the tent space with a singular purpose, passing the Sofa and only stopping when she saw it was empty. Her brain registered the missing Lion, more aknowledgment than she thought he really deserved, but she moved on and turned. Either she had been asleep or he had just blended perfectly into the wall, Asha jumped when she saw Jason near the wine, chiseling and whittling small blocks of…wood? Into various shapes. Infront of him was a small model, that Asha determined when she got closer was the Lannisport’s port, along with his finished defenses. Asha saw that he had listened to her words, the walls smooth and bent inwards, allowing no easy means of climbing them, yet plenty of murder holes to defend from. There were two towers at the mouth of the bay, between which was a chain that block access. And along the coast was the beginning of a wall, lined with towers that had clear lines of fire on every single other tower.
Jason looked up as he placed the top of a tower on the model, smiling with bags under his eyes “Good Morning Lady Asha, I hope the bed was to your liking.” He said, not looking up from his model as he began to carve a new piece.
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“It’s a little like drowning in fabric, how can anyone do that, especially in this heat?” Asha said, slumping into the chair opposite of Jason, making his tools and materials shake, but not the model which stood firm and solid. Asha raised a brow at it, reaching out and poking at the largest tower that stood at the end of the tail of land that sprang from the coast, representing the same that Jason had constructed “I thought I told you having a light house here wouldn’t help you,”
“You did,” Jason said, topping off another tower. “But that was when it was alone. There are numerous cliffs and large hills that look over the sea, both up and down the coast. Placing cheap look outs along those areas would be simple, with each one having a fire lit. Should they see Iron Born longships, they simply have to cover the fire or douse it, and that will send a signal to the one south and north of it. They’ll douse their flame, and so on. This final tower will have its own flame, and its purpose will be to stare out into the open sea.” Jason said, tapping on the largest tower. “Should Iron born be seen approaching the port, the light house will send its signal. No matter where the Ironborn strike, no matter what they do, the entirety of the Westerlands will know.”
Jason looked pleased with himself, picking up an oddly shaped piece that didn’t look like anything in Lannisport “That all fine and dandy, but just cause you know a town is getting raided doesn’t help much, the Ironborn will just melt back into the sea once they’ve gotten what they came for.” Asha said, seeing the whole thing as a solution to a problem no one cared about.
“Once they’ve gotten it, which takes time. If they’re spotted before their target, all of the Westerlands will be ready for them. And if they strike a target, the knights will come.” He said, placing the small piece a distance from Lannisport “With the amount of tourneys increasing under king Robert, we have more and more Hedge Knights and wannabe knights popping up. Most lords would simply let them be and move on, however if there is one thing I know is that any hedge knight would give anything for a small plot of land and some farms to command. So, I have key forts placed that, when Ironborn attack, or bandits, or a rival house, knights loyal first to the Lannisters will ride out and fulfill their oaths. They may not be able to defeat the attackers, but they can bloody them, make the price to high.” Jason looked to Asha “How much is a man willing to pay for a salt wife? For a few goats? A speck of gold?” He said with a smile,
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>>6387790
Asha looked at the plan, and felt her stomach clench. She wouldn’t bother with it. The pay off was too low for the risk, and a single mistake would make the entire coast to guarded to strike without warning, that left attacking major ports, and that meant more men, splitting the loot, longer fighting, and the same problem occurs. Asha leaned back and considered her options, then came to the conclusion that it would be better to raid the reach or north, rather than deal with system. Oh, it could not stop every raid, and there would always be Ironborn willing to take the challenge, but for Asha she just could not justify it when there were better, easier target. She looked up, and saw Jason’s smug face. She frowned and hid her annoyance in her wine.
“Well Lady Asha, your opinion?”
“Seems expensive,” she said, her only rebuttal to it.
Jason shrugged in an irritating manner, in a way that hinted at earned muscle and shook his golden hair “I’m a Lannister, I live on a mountain of gold. Plus, I’m sure it’ll be cheaper than you think. The Small folk are rather industrious when it comes to their own self interest.” He said, before standing up and sighing “In any case, best you prepare for the day My Lady, we have a Tourney to watch, then a feast to partake.” He said, going over to the dresser and searching for clothing, before looking at Asha and visibly deflating “and…your cheek. Seems I got you good”, he said, taking off his shirt to reveal the numerous bruises he had from Asha.
The reaver smiled as she found some make up, looking up and down the muscle and form of her Betrothed “Oh no worry, I made sure you paid for every one.”
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As I was going to say....
>>6387788
We should not bother Tywin with any requests while he is extra angry. We should just stay here in the rock, learning our stuff and have our wedding soon enough. If you wanna leave, maybe we'll be allowed to join Gerion in his expedition.
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>>6387788
I was thinking of breaking it up into two parts because I wanna make sure we give Asha a proper flagship the very best money can buy, as a gift. First overland throughout Westeros to gain connections, practice our skills, and make Asha a suit of platemail as a disguise so she beat people up in tournies in disguise. This should also smooth out her edges and give Tyrion a vacation as well as the opportunity to also build his own connections and retinue that was always denied by Tywin.
The second part we travel the world on a ship, probably Asha's and get dragged along with whatever adventures she is after while traveling. Probably with accompanying our uncle Gerrion as an excuse. We can even pretend not to join up with them at first if Tywin disapproves, only to show up later on Asha's ship. The perfect excuse and start to our foreign escapades.
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>>6387794
LMAO.
By the lord Jason, this is just too fucking much. It's one thing to fail to realize how hard Asha is flirting with you previously on account that you don't know about Ironborn customs. So fair enough you missed that but this?
She has openly undressed twice before you. She has openly checked you out brazenly with every opportunity that presents itself. She LITERALLY and IMMEDIATELY invited you to her bed personally and blatantly just after you admitted to your father that you were trying to fuck her. Even fucking Tywin gave up on trying to stop it, so he decided to look the other way.
While twice now she has revealed war knowledge and strong fighting ability that even a tomboy lady shouldn't possess. Just now, she didn't even mind your nerdy ass hobby of building blocks and instead approved of it.
When Tyrion hears about this, he is rightfully giving you SO much fucking shit. You 110% deserve it. Previously, I was honestly reconsidering Asha as the best wife but uh given how fucking dense Jason is...she is clearly the only one who can handle him. This time around her domineering nature clearly isn't just because of commanding reavers but also clearly due to how her nerdy prettyboy husband is denser than fucking lead.
Also I'm starting to feel sorry for Asha at this point. Her husband while her exact type...clearly is gonna make her work very hard to finally get laid. I also feel for Tyrion for having to deal with his thick brother all these years. That couldn't have been easy. Like damn cannot even blame the reavers for how domineering she is gonna be...at this point what choice does she have? She has done everything possible to seduce you. I don't even blame her at this point anymore. I thought the MC would be a bit...less dense. Normal yeah not noticing all the clues yeah but uh...a match made in heaven, I guess? She is clearly perfect for you...
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You wanna be a boss, you gotta pay the Iron Price! (facts)
Left wrist on frost, look like a bag of ice (bling)
I'm sailin' the Iron Fleet, like I don't love my life (skrrt)
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>>6387815
My dude Jason clearly has some form of Tism, is quite shy, is quite oblivious to woman and /or not used to women being forward. A lot of of dudes including me have had moments were our brain shortcircuited and completely didn't take advantage of some blatanlty obvious hints.
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>>6387824
At this point, I'm pretty sure Asha is gonna have to resort to force if she ever wants to get laid. The poor girl cannot get any more obvious about it if she tried.
To be fair Jason did resort to violence to prove a point and that he had a spine. Its just uh...honestly I don't have any excuses for how Jason can be that impossibly dense when it comes to women but I entirely believe he is a virgin despite Tyrion as his twin. Certainly not from a lack of trying from Asha while being nice and submissive about it.
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>>6387865
I think he is close to as clever as he thinks, but his narcissism makes it so he lies to himself about a lot - ESPECIALLY his family. He'll buy obvious bullshit about his kids if it ultimately soothes his severe anxiety disorder.
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Tyrion believed us because the lie fits his low expectations
>Jason is an incompetent idiot
>Tyrion is a bastard but clever
>Asha is a dumb barbarian
Accepting this let's him just call us a retard and move on. Nothing too bad.
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>>6387815
Its honestly not that strange if you think on it.
Tywin doesn't bother to personally involve himself with educating its own kids, especially if they don't reach what he thinks are standards first (lessons on life like women are probably something Tywin expected his kids to learn on their own). Jason never squired and never knighted, which is pretty much not just becoming a great and useful military unit, its also the social male noble introduction in to life in Andal Westeros (and depending on the knight that trains you it can include going whoring or flirts with ladies). And for what Jason mostly did he got tutored/educated partially by a maester, and in part by Kevan, while focusing on learning westerosi architecture beyond what most learn.
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>>6387878
Hell Jason doesn't even have friends.
Now if he was a bit of a rogue like Tyrion ? This wouldn't be an issue, he would understand girls just fine. But he isn't, he is more reserved. Combine that with the education he received and not getting squired/knighted ...... no wonder the Heir of the Westernlands doesn't get what Asha is up to lol. Jason will get there eventually.
>>6387721
I would like to see done some architectural projects of a certain caliber at some point. Preferably in the Westernlands, things like an improved and expanded road network (gold roads?), an aqueduct or perhaps public baths. Could be also military buildings. I wouldn't mind to also build across Westeros or just the Crownlands, if that Master of Stone position will be made in the future (though Tywin intends to have it for ensure Lannister supremacy on Westeros). Of course first we need to have Jason learn more about architecture.
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>>6387941
>tfw Tyrion starts framing Jason's various duties and educations in Special Interest terms as a joke and Jason suddenly starts to excel in those things too
>Tywin is somewhat pleased but extremely fucking pissed off at the same time now that his son is doing at least 10% better at everything with no input from himself
>Asha starts dirty talking and flirting while referring to herself as a castle
You just gotta speak his language and it'll all click, trust.
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>>6387955"Oh, why don't you take out your battering ram and breach my gate~?""And spoil such a marvel? I'm glad you're getting into being the lady of The Rock, but if we want to test a new siege engine we really ought to properly set up a testing rig..." *scurries off to make plans*"DAMNIT!"
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>You gotta breach my Castle Jason with your Long. Thick. Ram. And ravage my walls
>Well that's just a poor expenditure of men and resources, Trebuchets and sappers would do the work for half the cost of such an assault.
>You dense motherfucker
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The Tourney was exactly what you and Asha had expected, a series of crashing lances and ringing blades on repeat. Most were not worth notice. For you, it was three things that prevented you from caring for the tourney like everyone else. First, there was the social component of the event where nobility would mingle and enjoy each others company while watching the jousts of melee, a component denied to you as you sat in a separate booth with your betrothed due to your station as well as many having no care for including an Ironborn in their conversation at an event celebrating their defeat. You also did not care for most of the performance of noble conversations.
Second, there was the disinterest you held in the sport fostered half by your passion lying elsewhere, and half by your late Uncle Tygett. He was always a hard man, and one of the few who would stand up to and against Your father and uncle Kevin. He found Jousts to be a part of knighthood that were entirely performative, rife with knights jockeying for position and glory in false combat. While he participated, it was due to it being expected of a knight. It was something to endure, something expected to fill the void between when a knight’s blade was truly needed.
Uncle Tygett had died before you could earn your Spurs, having been his squire. He had been a rough teacher, but he had never been a cruel one. He had never expected you to be anything but yourself, he had never pushed you to be a second Jaime or some great talent. When the pox stole him away, you had mourned with Aunt Genna and Tyrion. After that, your father never gave you to another knight to complete your knighthood, claiming he could not find a knight worthy of his Heir but you believed it was because you were an older squire and of such mundane talent he did not want you to be shown off to the realm.
And finally, there was the third reason that Tourney’s failed to interest you, and that was your elder brother. Jaime Lannister was one of the greatest knights of the Seven Kingdoms, a Kingsguard that you looked up to as a hero, despite what was said about him. He clashed with knights in such a way as to make any lesser bout boring in comparison, and when he took the field you could not help but let your younger self out, cheering for your big brother from the stands like when you were small.
When Jaime took to the field, you made Asha jump when you stood and clapped and cheered, shedding the quiet and mild mannered Jason to show your love for your brother, your joy at his skill at arms. His opponent was a Northman, recently knighted and marked as one of the heroes of the Greyjoy Rebellion Lord Jorah Mormont of Bear Island. Upon his breast was the favor of a noblewoman, white with a splash of red made you suspect Hightower. He was definitely older than many in the tourney, and he was certainly older than your brother, yet he had performed remarkably in the tourney.
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What followed was a joust that would go down in legend, one that roused your passion as you saw your brother pushed hard, and one that had even Asha cheering for blood as the building excitement of the crowd proved infectious.
After nine lances with no clear victor, the entirety of the attending realm were worked up into a fever pitch. It came down to the warrior king, Robert I Baratheon to decide the victor. He looked over them both, considering the performances of the two knights, but to your slight dismay Jorah was given the victory. Still, you cheered for the knight along with the west of Lannisport, the face of the knight lighting up as the world cheered his name, which only grew as he declared Lynesse Hightower as the Queen of Love and Beauty. You were shocked to see a man his age offer such a thing to a girl of her age, which was perhaps a year higher than yours.
You hoped that the man’s pursuit would not end in disaster, but for now with the climatic end of the Tourney you had a feast to attend.
Where were you seated?
>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.
>With the Highlords rather than the Royal family, Close to Lord Eddard Stark, Jon Arryn, the Elderly Hoster Tully, with Lord Tyrell and his mother Olenna Redwyne and Renly also there, the Martells having chosen not to attend and Baelon Greyjoy not invited.
>Closer to the other Lords of Westeros, such as Jorah Mormont, Randyll Tarley, And Lord Leyton Hightower, who tower was close to the Citadel.
>With your family, Tyrion, Jamie, Aunt Genna and her husband, Uncle Gerion, their families, and of course Uncle Tygett’s family, Lady Darless Marbrand and the 3 year old Tyrek Lannister.
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>>With the Highlords rather than the Royal family, Close to Lord Eddard Stark, Jon Arryn, the Elderly Hoster Tully, with Lord Tyrell and his mother Olenna Redwyne and Renly also there, the Martells having chosen not to attend and Baelon Greyjoy not invited.
Hey guys, what a nice time, I sure hope the future remains so bright and happy for the North.
I think Jason would kind of appreciate Sandor's opinion on knighthood, now. Knights are for fights, not parades VS knights are poncy cunts who play pretend with chivalry anyway.
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>>6388007
>With the Highlords rather than the Royal family, Close to Lord Eddard Stark, Jon Arryn, the Elderly Hoster Tully, with Lord Tyrell and his mother Olenna Redwyne and Renly also there, the Martells having chosen not to attend and Baelon Greyjoy not invited.
Get to know some of the old Lion's peers and rivals. And Renly, I guess.
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>>6388053
I like the art style of this one, and it looks as young as the previous.
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Slightly older looking
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>>6388058
I mean I don't really care. AI definitely wouldn't be my first choice for finding a representation of someone for a GoT quest though. Always comes out too smooth and not grungy enough. And asking for a "plain looking blonde guy" will probably want to give up something that isn't actually average and plain looking anyway.
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>>6388007
>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.
Impress the king by being the one Lannister who is bearable to be around. Even better if we admit to why we ditched yesterday because we tried and failed to fuck our fiancee. He'll love that.
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Tyrion never figured it out. Asha did accidentally when she challenged Jason's hobby and accidentally discovered he is also a defense master that completely countered the ironborn in under a single night, which distracted her from getting pissed at failing so hard at seducing her fiancé, who supposedly wanted to fuck her, would rather sleep on the couch and play with blocks than fuck her. So much so, she gave up entirely on raiding the Westerlands. That was a nice accidental save from Jason.
Asha is also the one most likely to realize that Jason isn't weak or stupid. He just wasn't trained properly to fight in the right way. If the autism and tard rage are true. The best weapons for him would be axes and hammers. Not swords and lances. Training/teaching Jason is all a matter of reframing from his autistic obsession. Asha already fears and respects his defensive works but nobody else does yet because it never occurred to them that channeling his love of architecture into defensive engineering turns him into a defense master. Asha accidentally did and realized it.
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That will be true before the wedding. Waiting until the wedding means Tywin wins and there is no way she is gonna accept that. So she has months of time to try and given what recently happened. Needs to check if 1 Jason is gay and 2 if dominance is required, given how she tried absolutely everything else to get him into bed with her but that ain't working for shit. So next is the assertive angle to confirm if he is in fact gay or not.
Tyrion and her though are gonna have a very interesting talk. Personally, I'm looking forward to her reaction to the idea of Jason somehow cheating on her or how easy it is for other ladies to bed their husbands. Can't say the girl isn't trying her absolute hardest to get laid.
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>>6388086
As much as we joke, I don't think Jason is actually autistic or tarded. He's just got middle-child syndrome. Despite being the youngest child. Also, Asha never flirted with him. I checked. I didn't see anything flirty. Ogled him, sure, but nothing else.
>someone accuses jason of cheating
>"Oh did he finally meet a woman that could lift Bran's Wall then? Take your gossip and shove it."
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>>6388058
I like the look of this for Jason, at least when he gets a bit older. Looks very Lannister to me. With green eyes of course, unless Jason has heterochromia like Tyrion.
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>>With the Highlords rather than the Royal family, Close to Lord Eddard Stark, Jon Arryn, the Elderly Hoster Tully, with Lord Tyrell and his mother Olenna Redwyne and Renly also there, the Martells having chosen not to attend and Baelon Greyjoy not invited.
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>>6388134
Jason is still in decent shape, though. And likely will continue to be if he keeps up his exercise and practice routines. Which he probably will because habits are hard to break when built so young. The stress of his father's expectations might also play a part in how his facial profile is, having a clenched jaw all the time, having sad, thoughtful expressions all the time, lack of sleep, etc.. Jason is unremarkable, not bad. He's just unfortunately surrounded by people who are prettier, smarter, and more talented.
Then again, he could just wind up looking like Tywin, cause, son.
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>>6388007
>At the head table with your father but closer to King Robert and his family, on Robert's side of the table rather than Cersei's.
After the debacle yesterday, we ought to try and repair our rapport with the King.
In setting, we can ask Tywin about Robbert in order to show that we intend to try and fix the mess we made.
Ooc, we know that Bobby B would probably laugh and pat us on the shoulder for trying to sneak off so we could drink and fool around with our betrothed. However, we also know that he isn't super fond of Lannisters, and that he doesn't take shit from anyone. So if Robert makes fun of us, we shouldn't throw a comeback joke, instead Jason ought to say something funny or endearing.
Wait... oh fuck, we'll also probably be sitting near Stannis the Mannis. I have no idea how we should act near him. He would probably be very judgemental of Jason hitting his soon-to-be wife.
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>>6388058
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>>6388198
I found this piece someone made of what they thought a younger Tywin could look like. Would be fitting I suppose. Thoughts?
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>>6388236
To be honest I feel this one feels more like young Tywin than the others, and I like the idea of Tyrion being the most like Tywin mentally and us having Tywin’s look.
Post update: Having some issues figuring the scene out but I’m chewing on it now.
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>>6388240
Cersei tries to bait us out with what happened yesterday by being a bitch. Instead it backfires because we'll admit the 'truth' to Robert, who finds it fucking hilarious, as it would be something he would do himself, so he is perfectly okay with it. This only serves to further incense Cersei of Robert being both forgiving and even approving of it. Much to her rage.
Stannis would disaprove at first until he realizes Asha is a barbaric Ironborn bitch who refuses to behave like a lady. So getting hit back is understandable but would still look down on not waiting a bit. Renly would find it amusing and scandalous gossip so his two favorite things but will likely play dumb instead preferring to watch the show. Robert would be pleasantly surprised there is a Lannister he can actually tolerate.
Jaimes will watch, fails to calm Cersei down, and pray that it ends soon. Tywin will be relieved that Robert is being Robert and is okay with the heir's behavior.
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>>6388496
>Tywin will be relieved that Robert is being Robert and is okay with the heir's behavior.
I think you're forgetting that this is Tywin we're talking about.
Even if Robert laughs about it, the situation itself is still going to be a long-running rumor about how Jason beats his wife. The king might not care, but everyone else will have heard about it without knowing the (supposed) context of Asha.
Also, in regards to Stannis; Asha might actually behave herself since she'll be in front of the king himself, in which case people won't see her acting like a savage. At that point, I guess our only defense would be if Asha herself speaks up and excuses what happened. Even then, people might assume that it's just that battered housewife cliche...
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>>6388240
Jason would attempt to put on a mask, while Asha tries not to grind its teeth into dust. It all depends on how much Cersei decides to heckle them, and how much Robert cares about this (instead of looking at the tournament, drinking, eating, or whoring). The result will probably still be Jason and Asha being somewhat irritated/angry at all the attention (and at Cersei), and Cersei not really getting the full reaction she would have hoped for. At the same time, Robert gets a laugh out of the whole situation, and maybe another laugh at Cersei's and Asha's expenses, too, if they start throwing words at each other (if cutlery is launched, he might still laugh or start using his hands).
Stannis would probably not like Asha or us at first, but might start a more intelligent conversation on architecture, and also to understand better what kind of young man Jason is (first impressions and the recent rumors don't paint a great picture).
I suspect Tywin would be divided. On one hand, Jason and Asha are getting some negative attention for the act they did, but at the same time, on the other hand, he wouldn't want it to go uncontrolled because he is hyperfixated with the prestige, power, and face of House Lannister.
Renly might have fun at the expense of everyone present. Might participate in the discussion, depending if something really spicy is said.
Tyrion, Jamie, and the other Lannisters would make a lot of different faces from afar. Mostly concerned. They would intervene if things got heated.
I wonder if we can talk with the Hightower Lord at this feast (after the royals section of conversation), going to the Citadel for a while with some help would be nice...
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>>6388511
>long-running rumor about how Jason beats his wife.
I think that would be a rational result of this, but I suppose I am assuming it won't be the case because it wouldn't seem very fair for the QM to have us hit our wife without allowing a vote on it and then have us face long term social consequences. I think given the context it was a decent curveball to throw us, but expanding the incident into an ongoing problem for us would be pretty harsh, considering.
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>>6388523
I think they would be far more scandalized over how much Asha hates acting like a lady or wearing a dress if Brienne and Arya are anything to go by. Asha, at least has the Ironborn savage excuse in their eyes. Tywin will be seething over her unladylike behavior far more because it makes the Lannisters look bad ESPECIALLY since she is supposed to be the next Lady Lannister.
As for the fight...we kinda lost that one and again she is a savage who refuses to act like a lady. A lot of the decorum standards wouldn't apply to her for that reason as she is no 'lady'. Otherwise, Brienne would never have been able to handle Knightly tasks or duties even if she were treated as a freak. Brienne got away with a ton of shit due to her refusal to be a lady and adopting Knighthood despite being a woman.
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Part of why Brienne was able to get away with it is because she was also built like a brick shithouse. And kind of looked like one, too. Kind of hard to dispute her wishes at playing a knight when she is legitimately a better knight and fighter than the majority of people she meets. Coupled with the fact there are few who wish to bed her it's pretty easy for her to get away with that stuff comparatively.
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>>6388523
I think there would be a slight self-justification to it when people see she's an Ironborn savage, dresses like a man and is ready and basically acts like a punk.
Like yeah not a lot of people would like it but there would be enough who'd shrug their shoulders and say "ehhh what did you expect from such a marriage? He's the son of tywin lannister"
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>>6388544
That too but she also specifically forfeited her right as a lady and adopted Knighthood. Even so, she was still treated as a pariah. She got away with it due to how few men could beat her in a fight. She found quite a strange loophole in Westeros knightly and chivalry culture. Hence, her being a notorious pariah.
Asha, meanwhile, found the Ironborn version and successfully scared reavers into submission to point of nearly taking over the Iron Islands. What she lacked in the size and power that Brienne had, she made up for in sheer viciousness, finesse, and skill. Her approach is more similar to Arya's approach vs Brienne's knightly approach to fighting. Both are extremely deadly in a fight despite being women. You sorta have to be a very strong fighter as a man to face them. Naturally, most men would prefer to avoid this, given how embarrassing it is to etheir 1 beat a woman or 2 get beaten BY a woman. It's really a lose lose situation for them.
One of the reasons Asha likes about Jason is that he didn't mind fighting a woman. Then again, it may be that he is simply too autistic to care or notice...
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Seven Courses, a mixture of dishes poking fun at the various houses of the Iron Islands like Codd seasoned by reach fruits, Whale broth to accompany bread from the Vale, and squid served in a platter surrounded by meats from the storm lands and north. This and more was eaten and taste by the many people attending the feast in the feasting hall you had rediscovered within Casterly Rock, refurbished and clean to show off House Lannister’s wealth, splendor, and venerability.
While King Robert feasted and drank, the man having gained some weight since the rebellion but still possessing the physique and strength that gave him the name of “Demon”, you and Asha did what was expected of you, eating lightly. Out of consideration for your betrothed, you avoided dishes that had an innuendo towards the houses that served her father, which meant you skipped many of the main dishes and focuses on staples and sides, along with the roasted pork. Asha did much the same, though once the squid came out, a baleful mood took over her face. The insult was plain, the reference to the Stormland and Northern armies casting the squid down clear.
Of course the rest of the court continued on, and Asha was left in a foul mood knowing she could not do anything without earning Tywin’s wrath or bringing the King’s own wrath in her if she did what she truley wanted.
King Robert drank wine like water, diving into the festive mood beyond any depth a normal man would risk. He laughed and drank, told crass jokes and thundered his delight when an attempt at grabbing a lady servant was met with a giggle and a slap of his hand by the girl, the King taking it in good spirits.
His Queen, your sister Cersei, was not in good spirits. Her wine went down like a tonic rather than water, and every laugh or shout from her husband was treated no different than foul waste plopping on her plate. The scene was made no better with your brother, still silently fuming at being given the loss in the final battle by virtue of the king’s spite from what Jaime believed, your brother made to watch as his sister was dishonored and embarrassed by the acts of the King. You felt a surge of outrage yourself, one that Asha noticed and quirked her brow at, your knuckles white as you made to control your face to hide the anger.
Cersei was a cunt, you held no niceties for the elder sister who hated you since birth, whose cruelty had been a second blade to cut at your youth alongside your father. Were she being embarrassed by your father, or cut apart by your twin’s tongue, you would have smiled and luxuriated in the scene. However, she was still your sister, still your blood, the mother of your Nephew and who despite everything, was the daughter of the mother you never met.
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You stewed on this, simply wishing to make it through the feast and be rid of the king. Then, Cersei did what she always did to ruin any feeling of warmth or consideration to her: She opened her mouth and began to make noise.
“Dear Brother, we missed you at the tourney yesterday,” she said, earning your questioning gaze as you steadied your fork “what was so important that you could not stay for something meant to honor the royal family?” She said, her tone taking that same annoying lilt she favored when she believed herself ready to cut another with words.
“Ah, I do apologize dear Sister, but Lady Asha found the heat of the day disagreeable, and I escorted her to our tent so as to attend her until she felt better.” You said, keeping a level tone as you noticed Asha pocket a knife to cut tough meat. You considered doing something but instead took a modest taste of your wine, still on your first cup. “By the time we were ready to return the day had ended and we had decided it best to rest.” Your answer was counter to the rumors, but your and Asha had his to bruises well, and showed no sign of what occurred yesterday. Your father would have been able to see the rumors quashed by virtue of there being no evidence, then your Sister did the thing she ought never to do: she continued to make noise.
“Oh but that’s not true now is it, seems last night you and the squid,” your jaw clenched “ Emulated your twin and mingled at the wine sinks and beer halls.”
King Robert quieted down and turned to look, his interest peaked.
“Why sister, you’ve heard those rumors as well? I did not know you put so much weight in the fantasies of Smallfolk.” You said, a cut that would have eviscerated Cersei had Tyrion crafted it, but it was serviceable. You could see the flush of drink expand into that of fury, your Sister so quick to anger.
You expected more noise, perhaps some ineffectual squawking. Then your sister acted on her latest scheme, and it was childish and idiotic as you expected. Wine flew from the Queen’s cup and splashed across Asha’s face, scouring it in dornish red and blasting away the make-up used to cover up the bruise that had grown on her cheek. The feasting hall went silent, lords and ladies looked up to the high table to see the commotion, and the duel sounds of Asha shaking in rising fury and your father’s teeth grinding could be heard.
Most of all though, you felt that little part of you that had felt outrage for your sister die, now replaced by happiness that she had a husband who treated her better than she deserved.
“Oh they are not fantasies, clearly, as it’s also said that you struck your betrothed in fury, a squire striking a lady and as an opening to assault. You did not learn such lowly behavior from our departed uncle brother.” Cersei said, her words loud enough to carry and giving birth to whispers between the lords and ladies about the accusation.
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You felt your teeth begin to grind, your knuckles white as they were kept from crushing your goblet only because of its fine make.
Asha stood up, stabbing her knife into the table and looming over it, all pretense of a noble lady lost to the cold storm of her fury. “You golden bitch, I’ll make you choke on that wine and the bottle you’ve already emptied.” Asha said, yanking the knife out of the table and readying herself as Jaime and Ser Barriston placed their hands on their swords.
“Enough!” Robert said, his voice like thunder not in volume but in weight, carrying across the room through the clamor on the strength of his tone alone. The Kingsguard stepped back, and even Asha hesitated as the King of the Seven kingdoms, the man who crushed the Targaryen’s and the Iron Islands stood to his full height. He was no taller than the Mountain, but he the way he towered in the room could make one forget that.
“That Ironborn savage threatened me, and you stop my defense. I demand-“
“I said Enough woman, you deserved that for your assault upon her.” He said, his tone cutting and resolute. You saw your sister flinch as he slammed his nearest fist into the table near her, and you felt no sympathy for your sister despite it. You did meet the King’s gaze as he spoke “You, boy. The rumors are true then, you struck your betrothed and bruised her face, after draining through the night?”
You considered denying the claim, but knew it was both pointless and lethal to attempt to lie to the king now. So you nodded “Yes your Highness, I did indeed strike Lady Asha.”
“And why did you dishonor yourself this way, to strike a lady and your betrothed even?” He said, a black anger in his eyes that told you he was ready to skin a lion this very moment.
You shook beneath the king’s gaze, drawing a blank as fear to your heart. Then, you remembered something Asha said, and spoke partially without thinking. “To honor my betrothed of course, by paying her price.” You said, sitting rigid as Asha looked at you confused, and The rage seemed to grow in Robert. You absent mindedly handed Asha a handkerchief from your pocket, a reflex and unconscious action done as your brain abandoned control of the body to focus on the words. “As I sought to honor her culture and ways, and was encouraged to do so by choice words from the Lady Asha. I struck the first blow, and was proud of it. However, the Iron price was, well, too expensive for this lion that night.” You said with a sheepish grin, patting you bruises beneath you doublets and wincing. Robert’s gaze shifted from rage to confusion to interest. “While my Uncle Tygett taught me how to box, the Lady Asha is Iron born and forged, and…well I lost utterly.” You said with a laugh that came naturally purely because you had no control over anything but your words at the moment.
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The feasting hall was quiet, tense as what you said settled in the minds of the lords and ladies. You could feel their disdain, a mark against your honor plain to see upon the Lady Asha’s cheek.
King Robert glowered down at you, then looked at Asha, who stood defiantly to his gaze, knife still gripped in her hand. He then looked back at you “are you admiting to losing to this girl, that you started a fight with this noble lady and got trounced.” He said, almost mockingly, to both you and Asha.
You let out another laugh “You’re Highness, she is not a Greenlander like us. It hardly counts when Ironborn women make a living off such things. Why lady Asha was on the way to becoming a Reaver captain herself, and I can only assume that takes more than a few fights to accomplish.”
Asha looked to you, the ball in her court, before she smiled and adjusted her posture to be more proud “No Ironborn will follow a captain they do not fear and respect in equal measure. A few corpses over the side to pay for the wrong kind of joke about the wrong girl won plenty, my successes that followed won the rest.” She said proudly speaking on her reaving.
King Robert shifted, he ceased to tower and simply stood beside you, and the silence was crushed by his laughter. “Ha ha ha, I suppose the Lion’s right, Ironborn and forged!” He said, hefting up his oaken chair that you were sure you could not move without aid and placing it close to you “So, is that all there is to it then? You struck out and failed, and she pitied you with drinks?”
You smiled and took a small drink of wine, before you offered in a conspiratorial whisper “Well, all I can say in polite company is that it was fortunate for the rumors that the Hound found me and Lady Asha still fully clothed before the night grew to late. Else my father would have had more reason to be cross with us.” You said, then grunted as a blushing Asha punched your arm hard enough to shift your chair “AH! No, fair Retort.”
Robert let out a thunderous laugh, the King’s laughter clearing the air and returning the festive mood, but also showing that you had for the moment made the King able to dismiss to rumors despite their kernel of truth.
(+1 Disposition With King Robert I Baratheon. 1/20)
(+1 disposition with Asha Greyjoy, 7/20)
(-2 Disposition with Cersei Lannister, -7/20)
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How do you proceed with this event?
>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
>Listen to the kings stories and join his festive mood, drinking and celebrating along with Asha, who will be a bit hesitant to interact with Robert directly at first. (Gain More Robert Disposition.)
>entertain the king with a story of Cersei’s past, a tale meant to humiliate her but only in the way a family member is allowed (Large Robert disposition gain, large Cersei disposition Loss, angers your father)
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>>6388757
>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
Haha We might be mediocre or average at most things, but we are at least not a dumb spiteful bitch like Cersei. She is however still dangerous in her vengeful stupidity.
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>>6388757
>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
Well, this shit really made everything go south. Fucking Cersei...
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>>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
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>>6388769
One of the best ways to also try and control or alter Joffery’s fate. Since all he has is Cersei, who spoils and enables his worst impulses, Jaime, who thinks keeping his distance is best, and Robert who will eventually develop a rift between him and the boy due in no small part to Cersei but also the kids low empathy that goes untreated.
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>>6388777
Cercie's mind has like. . . 3 stages to thinking.
I want something, Demand it.
I am angered, attack it.
I just got smacked, Cringe and pretend it doesn't hurt.
Her only redeeming value is her love as a mother. In all other things she is the worst, most short sighted, conniving, ineffectual bitch.
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>>6388757
>>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
She might even beat him at this one
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>>6388786
Her parenting style worked alright with the other two, I think Joffrey has brain-worms because of incest and is also corrupted a bit by being the heir to the throne whose ''''father'''' got there by butchering the previous regime - I actually don't recall him mocking Robert the way others often do, I think he idolizes the might makes right mentality because of big Rob, but he doesn't actually have might so the friction between reality and his narcissism makes him sadistic to FEEL mighty. The throne is definitely a big part of hisand frankly, many people'smental illness in the story.
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>>6388757
>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
Personally I'd rather take one of the options that gives more disposition with Robert, but this route sounds so wholesome and fun.
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Thing is, you CAN raise a sociopath into a decent member of society. You just need to actually try to do it and get on their level with logical explanations about how being a decent person is good for them. Stuff like "if you're kind to people, they'll usually be kind back" or "If you do bad things to people, either they'll do bad things back, or other people will find out and use it as leverage".
Unfortunately, indulging and/or covering up literally every last fucked up thing your child does with seemingly no attempts to make them stop is NOT the way to do that.
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From a technical point, Joffrey's problem isn't being a sociopath, it's being a retarded sociopath who doesn't know how to rule for shit
If Cersei raised him to be a ruthless tyrant, rather than a spoiled brat, then he would have probably just crushed the game of thrones due to his position and family.
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>>6388757
>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
What could Possibly go wrong?
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We haven't seen him in a while, so we should give Jamie a hug before all the Royals head back to King's Landing.
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It'd be really funny if Asha earns a good score due to practice and not being drunk, whilst Bobby B gets a good score because he throws the axe and instead of bouncing off, the wooden handle gets embedded in the target because that's just how hard he threw it.
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>your father’s teeth grinding could be heard.
LMAO
I can only imagine the thoughts going through his head must have sounded something like "Seven, grant me the strength to not fucking KILL my children before sunset"
After the feast is over, maybe we should go and ask him for advice on how to have handled the situation better. Cersei is the one who caused it, and I think Jason did a pretty good job of diffusing the confrontation. However, showing an interest on how to save face and not disgrace the family name when in public might show Tywin that Jason really does want to make ammends for his "fuck up" at the taverns / bars.
Actually, question for the QM. Is Tywin's disposition towards Jason just permanently at -20/20?
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>>6388757
>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
>>6388770
The problem with Jeoffry is that we have to be there in his keystone ages where we can make the biggest impact on his growth and personality development. Which isn't likely and will be too late. Especially with Cersei and Tywin wiping his ass constantly. There is no way Cersei is gonna let us get that close to Jeoffry without vicious resistance especially in regards to disciplining or teaching him.
It is mostly a proximity and timing issue with Joffery.
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>>6388848
>Actually, question for the QM. Is Tywin's disposition towards Jason just permanently at -20/20?
I think Tyrion is his only child he hates to the point of wishing death, which I think is what that implies. The rest of us are in a weird kind of 0 space where we're more like objects than people, whom he does not care for in any meaningful way but feels significantly invested in as elements of his obsessive legacy project. Hate actually implies a level of consideration we don't warrant, I think, but I'll be curious to see what the number looks like (or if the strange shape of the relationship means he actually does not have a disposition rating for us, which feels possible).
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>>6388777
She saw an opportunity to hate and humiliate her second most hated sibling. In doing so drew attention to the very thing the Lannisters wanted to keep quiet and drew Robert's attention to it directly. Luckily, Robert is a good sport upon finding out the 'truth' and Jason didn't mind sacrificing more of his already pitiful reputation. Tywin is gonna be pissed but when isn't he?
So typical stupid bitch Cersei causing problems
>>6388848
Tywin was screwed the moment Cersei picked a fight with Asha and blew up the entire incident VERY publicly. Ultimately damage was minimized because the most lackluster Lannister child Jason decided to take the fall and further damage his already pitiful reputation. Allowing Robert to laugh it off but now there is no stopping the rumors that are gonna spread because of Cersei when he had previously managed to control the damage.
Having your heir publicly admit to hitting his 'lady' wife and getting ass beaten by his reaver savage of a wife(same person) in direct response while trying to get laid it's catastrophic in Tywin's eyes with how damaging it can be considered for the Lannister name. Even if doing so DID prevent the king from exploding as Cersei tried to instigate and let him laugh it off instead. Yet all the other nobles would have seen and heard about it as witnesses.
His subpar heir got his ass beat by a girl savage and hit his fiancee.
His future daughter in law the next 'Lady' Lannister is a publicly admitted savage reaver captain.
The amount of rage and humiliation Tywin must be feeling right now is incalculable. The worst part is that he has to blame Cersei because Jason ended up sacrificing himself to minimize the damage to the Lannister Family as the least valuable piece. An unfortunate but necessary sacrifice for damage control from her stupidity. Yet now all of Westeros is gonna know all about his lackluster heir and his...'lady' wife. The only solace that Tywin can take is that at least the King was willing to laugh it off. Otherwise it would have gotten MUCH uglier and forced him to step in directly.
On the plus side at least for once, Tyrion is gonna be able to walk away from this scott free. If Asha can impress Robert with the axe throwing Tywin is gonna have a much harder time suppressing her for not being ladylike enough.
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>>6388854
I was thinking Tywin has a permanent -10/20 to everyone except some of his direct family since Joanna died. Before Joanna died he probably only had a natural -5/20 with everyone.
>>6388856
By the end of the day Robert is going to lament having a wife that throws back cups of wine rather than throws axes. I can't imagine anything would piss Cersei off more than being denigrated as lesser than Asha right now.
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>>6388757
>>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
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>>6388757
>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
Tywin must be shaking his head thinking his son is the Laughing Lion 2.0.
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>>6388757
>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
Oh no, Tywin is mad at us! In other news, water is wet.
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>>6388864
I know that oog, it was us anons who made the choice, but in-setting, Tywin is the one who chose to give his son an Ironborn for a wife.
Like, 70% of this is his own fault.
She acts like a savage. Her people demand a fight in order to determine respect. His son is meek, so she bosses him around. Like seriously, what did he expect would happen?
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>>6388861
>"Right, she's going to want to be on top, so hook your legs 'round hers so she can't flip you over."
If he weren't our brother in law I'd say he's the best and worst kind of drunk uncle rolled into one.
>>6388865
Tywin's notoriously bad with understanding his own children. Except Cersei. Because she's genuinely that basic bitch. He probably thought Jason wouldn't let a woman, even an ironborn one, push him around.
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>>6388865
>Like seriously, what did he expect would happen?
Probably not Jason admitting that he threw hands with his wife-to-be and lost in front of Bobby B. That said, if he's gonna be so mad about us defusing a situation at the price of our meager reputation, he should have stepped in and thrown us a bone. Also 90% of his anger should be focused on Cersei anyways for blowing up our spot just to be a cunt.
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>>6388865
I definitely agree 100%, but to play devil's advocate: he expected us to rise to the challenge and tame her, because he is a coward and compulsively lies to himself about his family to soothe himself, and is then irritable when reality doesn't mesh with his expectations. Tywin literally has a crippling anxiety disorder and his maladaptive way of coping with it happens to make him a juggernaut in the world of brutal medieval politics. But no less miserable.
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>>6388757
>entertain the king with a story of Cersei’s past, a tale meant to humiliate her but only in the way a family member is allowed (Large Robert disposition gain, large Cersei disposition Loss, angers your father)
An eye for an eye. Cersei is so fucking retarded.
>>6388785
I don't think she really loves any of them. She views them as merely extensions of herself, same as Jaime.
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>>6388872
>An eye for an eye. Cersei is so fucking retarded.
An eye for an eye is exactly the type of bullshit Cersei thrives in (initially at least). Better we just enjoy the feast and make her seethe by not caring about her attempts at tearing down anybody who isn't as miserable as she is.
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>>6388865
Jason is more humble than meek and very cordial because he knows he is the most inferior sibling. So he knows he is gonna have to depend on those better than him when he takes over. An understanding he already reached with Tyrion. He does have a spine; otherwise, Asha would have treated him as a doormat instead of earning her acknowledgment.
However it is this exact demeanor of his that Tywin HATES because it reminds him most of his own father, the Laughing Lion. Tyrion killed his wife. Jason reminds him of his father. There is a reason why Tywin hates them both so much. Yet if Jason overcompensated with his mediocrity with shows of power or wealth it would only disgust Tywin even more. So its very much a catch 22 with Tywin's hatred of Jason.
As for Jason's absurd talent with all matters of construction and architecture, including defense works and sieging? The only person who noticed that wasn't even Tyrion but his fiancée, Asha who directly challenged him on it and accidentally uncovered it. Jason is the Lannister version of Brandon the Builder but nobody can see that absurd talent of his. Not even himself due to his treatment growing up and Asha is the only one suspecting otherwise.
Tywin choosing Asha is rather simple. He thought he could break an Ironborn reaver bitch into becoming a proper Lady Lannister, such is his hubris. Especially with how 'simple' Jason is, he no doubt didn't think he could handle a lady more...equipped for intrigue compared to a blunt Ironborn bitch, which he thought was doable after breaking her in. He also never would have imagined that Jason would lean more towards the Dornish view of things out of sheer autism and need to overcompensate for his own shortcomings. Those two things blew up in his face badly.
Naturally this is something he will never admit instead doubling down on trying to break Asha and very likely get himself killed by her in the process. Jason meanwhile, will never stop being that backup heir that will forever be a 'disappointment' because he cannot see Jason's absurd talent in construction and only superior to Tyrion due to not being a dwarf.
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I don't think Tywin "doesn't acknowledge" his ability. Tywin knows very well that he's capable of architecture. He wouldn't be letting him do all these changes or giving him education with the Maester otherwise.
Tywin, simply, doesn't care. If Jason was the spare? Sure, he wouldn't give much of a damn. He'd probably be "decently" proud of him for being useful and not bothering him otherwise.
But as the heir, Tywin expected him to be good at EVERYTHING. He should have been good at scheming, and ruling, and fighting, and so on and so on. But he's entirely mediocre, and Asha is proving to be a bad influence on him. So of course he's ever so more angry.
But no, he doesn't fail to acknowledge his skill as an architect.
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>>6388868
To be fair, that is advice that Jason desperately needs.
>>6388860
Robert always had a soft spot for tomboys on account of his Lyanna Stark who growing up was also a tomboy. Upon realizing Asha wasn't a 'true lady' but a fellow 'warrior' instead, he instantly calmed down and started laughing it off when he was very nearly about to explode. Unlike most noblemen Robert knows the difference as it was his own type once upon a time. Not anymore though, on account of heartbreak. It's why he also liked Arya so much. She reminded him of her aunt.
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The worst part is the Maester even tried to inform and prove it to Tywin directly but he still ignored it despite having the greatest piece of evidence within his office to this day.
A little kid mapped out the ENTIRETY of Casterly Rock, forgotten and hidden passages/rooms included. Made a perfect miniature model of it. That is powerful as hell weaponized autism right there. He just blew it off completely and this directly resulted in poor Jason wrongly assuming he was a mediocre loser surrounded by the exceptional.
Only for Asha to later uncover it. Funnily enough, it was also the only thing that truly intimidated her about Jason. She took one look at his defensive plans for the westerlands made in less than a single night to counter Ironborn reaver raids and immediately went LOL NOPE. She knows she can beat him in a fight but seeing his expertise in defense and construction legitimately intimidated her.
>>6388885
The problem with that is Jason came up with a defensive works system to almost perfectly protect the Westerlands from the Ironborn raids in under a single night with nothing but his own mind and a few sentences from Asha. His talent is genuinely insane. There was at least an excuse for the Casterly Rock model because it took him years. There is no such neat excuse for his defense works project against the Ironborn that he perfected in only a single night, much to Asha's understandable terror, that could protect the ENTIRETY of the Westerlands.
Also his density in terms of certain social interactions REALLY doesn't help. I didn't see him as much of autist until that...because yeah hyperfixation and missing the obvious social cues is just...painful+obvious. I won't say he is hardcore autist given how functional he is but he is very convincing at it. Oh boy he would gotten wrecked if it was a proper lady he was dealing with instead of someone as blunt as Asha. Even she struggles to get through to him.
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>>6388891
>Oh boy he would gotten wrecked if it was a proper lady he was dealing with instead of someone as blunt as Asha. Even she struggles to get through to him.
I think that's unfair because
1. He's only 16
2. He's not married yet
Like, he's been trying to be a gentleman by not coming on to Asha since she was basically kidnapped.
If Jason had been married off to one of the other girls, he'd probably start flirting (poorly) once the two were married and old enough.
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>>6388891
>The problem with that is Jason came up with a defensive works system to almost perfectly protect the Westerlands from the Ironborn raids in under a single night with nothing but his own mind and a few sentences from Asha.
That's why we need to talk with the Hightower Lord, and get the best education at the Citadel. Imagine how much that talent could be nurtured there.
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>>6388907
Not enough to have the same value of being there, at the center of education and knowledge in Westeros. Certainly, we can probably get a few more maesters and certain books and scrolls sent here.
But many quality teachers and a ton of books wouldn't move from there, no matter the gold thrown. Besides, going out of the Westernlands a bit would do us some good. And the Reach is magnificent.
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>>6388898
I'm also hoping it will improve. Honestly, I'm more disappointed in Tyrion. He should have noticed and done something already.
He's been more than a gentleman with Asha, notably overlooking her antics and even supportive of her, which very much goes against how a typical Westeros nobleman would behave with such an unladylike fiancée. He really didn't seem to mind whatsoever until she started crossing the line when she talked shit about Tyrion, which finally made him put her in her place, which she respected despite winning. The two honestly have a remarkable amount of mutual understanding with each other despite barely having met.
My fear of the other girls is Jason's abject weakness in matters of realpolitick and intrigue. That they frankly would have been far better at exploiting than Asha, who prefers a blunt approach, which suits Jason far better. Like god forbid it if it had been Margaery, for example. She would have eaten him alive, but then again, with Tyrion around, their actions would have to be limited since Tyrion is actually clever enough to catch what they are doing. I suspect this is likely the biggest reason why Tywin decided Asha would be better. Even he would have been wary of a future Lady Lannister who was too clever and smarter than her husband...so he needed to find a worthy lady that Jason could handle.
Instead, Jason seemingly 'folded' to his fiancée immediately and acts more like a Dornishman, much to Tywin's abject horror. The funny part is Jason actually IS capable of handling Asha. It's just he isn't suicidal enough to pick such a 'stupid' fight with her, when instead he can adopt a more reasonable approach that won't result in his throat being slit in the middle of the night. To Jason, the solution to this is obvious and it's not like he doesn't set boundaries or have a spine. He knows when/how to pick his battles. To everyone else, he looks like a Dornish inspired pushover. Which he doesn't care about because his reputation was always pitiful to begin with. Much safer to deal with than to get shanked in bed by his wife. That level of nuance though, is gonna fly over most people's heads entirely, except for the Dornish, who will be awfully suspicious of their true relationship dynamic.
Keep in mind, Asha actually DOES respect and will listen to Jason. There are even aspects about him that secretly intimidate her. Jason doesn't see a point in picking a fight with her over 'no good reason', hence him overlooking her 'antics'.
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Pretty sure Tywin blocked that just like how he blocked Jason from serving under another knight. With his talent, he should have been sent there years ago. It's not like non maester's aren't allowed to be educated, they just cannot take up the related oaths. Instead, Jason was stuck with whatever the local maester could teach him and his own self learning from books/models. Which somehow still proved that he has a frankly monstrous talent for it despite the handicap.
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>>6388911
It might just be that Tywin doesn't want him doing nothing but architecture when he needs him to become a capable heir.
I suppose Jason could *try* to convince him to send him to the school, but that would be a hard sell. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Tywin wanted us to put a baby in Asha as soon as possible so he could try another roll on the Family Gacha to see if he gets a better heir out of our grandson.
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>>6388915
somehow mixed "Out of out son" and "out of his grandson" into "out of our grandson"
Well, technically speaking he lived to see Joffrey live to marriage age, so it's not entirely wrong. But you get the point.
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>>6388007
>Closer to the other Lords of Westeros, such as Jorah Mormont, Randyll Tarley, And Lord Leyton Hightower, who tower was close to the Citadel.
Well, in the past, it might have been closed. But now the occasion is right here, in this celebration. Can Tywin stop us from talking to this Lord Leyton Hightower now?
>>6388915
I think we can convince him that we are still young and that further education would help us, especially in many other matters of ruling the Westernlands. The Citadel can provide a lot of education in any field that might interest a lord.
Jason is not becoming a perfect heir by just staying here, clearly.
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>>6388922
>you're a bit late there buddy
If this celebration ends in the next update of Lannister QM and it's just about royals, sure, it would be closed and dead.
But if it doesn't, we can talk with different people present. And that's an occasion to use. Understand what I mean?
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>>6388915
Tywin absolutely does want an heir in Asha ASAP. Otherwise, he never would have allowed us to stay in her tent overnight despite Jason having supposedly tried to fuck his fiancée that very day. Tywin even admitted that, while annoying, it wouldn't be a big deal to move up the wedding if she were with child. He still gave Jason shit over it, but blatantly approved of it otherwise; they would have been separated completely. Instead of softly permitting the arrangement.
What Tywin truly hated was when Cersei openly flaunted it to the entirety of the public. A rushed wedding is easy to handle. Such blatant public humiliation, on the other hand...
Asha, meanwhile actually needs more heirs than Tywin or Jason on account of her ambitions. The only thing that concerns her is how bearing a child may slow down growing her influence and powerbase in the Iron Islands but with Jason as a husband...
>>6388920
Now would be the perfect timing actually as Tywin is gonna be too fucking pissed at Cersei and trying to clean up her mess to focus on what we are doing. Shit, he would have even forgotten Tyrion exists right now with how much he is raging and desperately trying to perform damage control over an event that he had previously suppressed and even thought he could hijack to ensure a faster arrival of a new heir.
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>>6388924
I mistook you for voting that closed an update ago.
but yes, it's an idea to talk. The issue is that Tywin has no qualms about sending the mountain at sword point to guide us back to the rock and sit our asses down in house arrest.
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>>6388911
Margaery would have pieced up any of the explicitly not brilliant lords of the lands. She's built a little different. Not quite like her grandmother but sharp nonetheless. But I still think you're underselling Jason here. He is noted as being passable at everything he does, just not exceptional. He's not some bumbling oaf that can't see when someone is trying to manipulate him unless they are particularly good at it. Which in this case means probably only Margaery could consistently get one over on Jason out of all of his initial marriage options.
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>>6388925
Indeed, I think this feast is a way for Jason to get some way out of Tywin's command, for a little while at least. Get some influence/friendship going with someone present here at the celebration. If we keep talking with Robert, it could lead to one such way, possibly.
>>6388929
np
He doesn't have issues in doing that (0 issues in fact), but if we can frame it in a certain way, maybe he will get out of Jason's way. For example, if that kind of higher education was openly offered to cultivate Jason (after we discuss said education possibility with the Hightower lord), would it be smart for Tywin to just refuse it? Can Tywin refuse a great honor for one of his sons? Especially after Cersei's actions led to such public humiliation here today?
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Loving the discussion as always people
>>6388930
I do think that the Martell girl would also be a threat as, while in the books her plans are thwarted, they are thwarted by her father who is playing intrigue 4d chess while she is still figuring her own plays out. Had her father been less like the illuminati, she might have succeeded in her plans.
>>6388920
I was feeling like i wanted to end the feast with that little bit, but I can do another extention to give you a chance to interact with the other guests, especially since the King and your betrothed will be having fun drinking and throwing axes.
>>6388919
Too be honest this sounds fun as hell and I'm tempted to do it, issue is that at this point your children would be at best Myrcella and Tommen's age by the time of the war of five kings occurs.
>>Encourage Asha and the King to Compete in axe throwing, allowing Asha to do something she enjoys and the King to enjoy some competition. (Even Disposition gain with Robert and Asha, increases Disposition between them both)
Also I belive this won, anyone gonna contest that?
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>>6388930
You are severely underestimating Margaery. She is the beloved protege of her grandmother, one of the premier masters of intrigue in all of Westeros. There is a reason why her family holds her in such high regard despite being such a young girl at the start of the books.
>>6388936
Martell's daughter would be a lot more dangerous if she weren't a slut with Daddy issues and an obsession to get whatever she wanted. If her father had treated her like a proper heir instead of sheltering her like Margaery, she would have been far more dangerous.
I would have voted for her if it weren't for her crippling daddy issues, her rampant cheating/insatiable nature, and her family being Targ loyalists that our family directly massacred. Like good lord. That is legit worse than the wild card daughter option by far, that also would have been just terrible. Margaery would have just plain run circles around the MC with her wits and intrigue skills but at least we could keep her from becoming a sworn enemy unlike fucking Jeffrie and Cersei.
Another event to interact with other guests would be nice. Especially since Tywin would be distracted and we would have breathing room.
The events go on for years within the books. Don't really die down, things just gets worse. So it's not like the children of Jason wouldn't have a part to play. Plus there is whatever the players managed to cook up or if you decide to push back the Winter or other events by a few years. It won't ultimately make a big difference but make heirs and children a lot more usable.
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>>6388936
>Had her father been less like the illuminati, she might have succeeded in her plans.
That's fair. Hadn't even put on her big girl dress by comparison to the level 100 boss whose game she was caught in.
>I was feeling like i wanted to end the feast with that little bit
If you're feeling up to it that'd be cool. If you would rather get a move on that's cool too. Could just relegate it to a footnote sort of deal, passing mention that we mingled with so and so.
>>6388938
I'm giving her exactly as much credit as she is due. She isn't her grandmother, who is better. Nowhere did I say she wasn't great. Only the lords that are notable for their guile can outfox her like I said. This land is full of great warriors, but only a handful of great minds.
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>>6388936
>Too be honest this sounds fun as hell and I'm tempted to do it, issue is that at this point your children would be at best Myrcella and Tommen's age by the time of the war of five kings occurs.
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Personally, I think it'd be interesting at least, it's not often you see protagonists becoming parents so early. The only other one I know of was Curse Carrier.
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>>6388947
That is why I would rather win Margaery over to be honest. Not even that hard, just don't marry her to Jeffery or let Cersei make an enemy of her. Preferably, use our own heir instead and suck up directly to the old lady. She won't be able to resist that kind of package deal. Yeah, she'll be a few years older than our heir but honestly that isn't a big problem. Then boom, we have Margaery as the junior Lady Lannister and as a doughter in law to handle stuff whenever her mother in law in is inevitably out, making someone else miserable. With a super easy to get along with father-in-law and early access to Lady Lannister's power/influence, while not being as restricted as ladies normally would be. Her grandmother would kill so her beloved granddaughter protege could have such a great start and most definitely strangle her son if he dared to get in the way. Not to mention that kind of power, wealth, and influence converging. Which would likely win over her father.
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>>6388948
Oh! That could be an excellent excuse for Tysha!
Jason would be having children when he's only like 16 or 17 years old. Same idea goes for Asha. Compared to when Tywin had kids, the two are very young and thus not familiar with how to raise children. Jamie can't help us because he's busy at King's Landing, but good ol "Uncle Tyrion" can always be there to help raise them right. So if Tysha is given the cover story of being a maid to help with the little ones, then it means Tyrion and Tysha can spend a lot of time around each other without it drawing any suspicion; it'd just make Tyrion look like a very supportive/invested uncle.
Tywin might hate him for his deformity, but he'd undeniably be "making himself useful" by helping raise the future heirs to the Lannister family.
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>>6388950
>With a super easy to get along with father-in-law
Lmao, Jason and Mace Tyrell being great brother-in-laws would be hilarious af, not only because of their similarities but also because of how believable it sounds
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>>6388950
I'd be a little worried to be involved with the Tyrells at all. But better to have them think of us and our family as a useful tool than an obstacle, for sure. What a weird fucking set of alliances that would be because of Jason. Greyjoys, Lannisters, Tyrells. Only way it could get weirder is if by some friggin miracle we managed to get the Martells onboard and culled the animosity between realms.
Fuck it, we build bridges too lmao
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>>6388955
Starks are easy. Just take Arya as a daughter in law because you know Asha is gonna utterly adore her. Martell's are the hardest part, along with the Vale. Stormlands wouldn't be a problem but our sister is a bitch. Riverlands and Vale can be avoided if we don't fuck over the Starks.
Honesty as long as avoid behaving like Tywin and Cersei, forging a solid power block won't be a problem. Even if we ignore King's Landing(we should know that place is cursed).
>>6388956
That only happened because of both of them got screwed over with Renly being gay and later with Cersei and Jeffery. It can easily be avoided by giving Queen of Thorns a vastly superior way out for Margaery. That would win them both over. Take Margaery in and there won't be a problem. Ultimately, she is the only thing the Queen of Thorns cares about anymore. She has long given up on her sons.
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>>6388963
If we get Arya as a daughter in law, the Red Wedding won't happen because the Starks will be directly allied with the Lannisters.Tywin's not so stupid as to kill a members of his in-lawsor at least not as directly as with the Red Wedding.
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>>6388964
I'm sorry anon, but we cannot save everything by just befriending everyone, not how it works. The red wedding will happen because the Starks *will* inevitably rebel so long as Stark finds out about Glorious Joffrey's parentage
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>>6388963
That's assuming Tywin lives that long. You forgot just how much he has pissed off Asha and how much she has to gain when he dies after she marries Jason. She would have been plotting murder this whole time and only took a pause upon realizing it's better to wait until AFTER the wedding to kill her father-in-law. Shit, I wouldn't even be surprised if she managed to do it on the night of her wedding.
Long term its gonna be Tyrion who gets him. Short term I'm betting all my crowns on Asha. She wants Tywin dead so very desperately and has so very much to gain from it. Keep in mind she has already sneaked into his office and seen the miniature of castle rock with all its hidden passages...
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The bigger problem is Cersei and Jeff. The North wouldn't have risen if Jeff hadn't killed Eddard instead of refusing his right to take the Black. This forced them to rebel.
>>6388966
Long term it would have happened anyway because the records Eddard and Aryn found as proof are extremely widespread genealogy records among all the Houses. If anyone bothered to look, they'll find it. The only way to prevent it would have been to keep Cersei from aborting Robert's babies. As that was what made them suspicious.
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>>6388967
>You forgot just how much he has pissed off Asha and how much she has to gain when he dies after she marries Jason.
Yeah, and then Cersei roasts her ass on a stick. She also knows that if JASON, and by extension her and her future kid are gone, then SHE gets the Lannister House.
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Okay, Anons, to clarify my line of thought: If we end up marrying one of our kids to a Starkbe it Arya, Bran, Rickon, or god fucking forbid Jon, it'll stop the Red Wedding. It won't stop the war, nor will it stop Tywin from trying to destroy the Starks, but it will stop him from doing so as blatantly as with the Red Wedding.
>Yeah, and then Cersei roasts her ass on a stick
>Implying Cersei will find enough evidence to accuse Asha
>Implying we won't help Asha hide what evidence Cersei *could* find
>Implying Robert wouldn't shut that shit down immediately, dismissing Cersei as just being a hysteric bitch
There are many ways to get around a murder accusation, not least of all having both a solid alibi and the (relative) affection of the King.
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>>6388972
The REAL most likely thing to happen is
>jason has kids
>tywin demands he be allowed to raise them
>jason says nah
>tywin takes them anyway
>jason straight up slimes his own fucking father in broad daylight
>everyone gives it a pass because tywin is a dick
>except cersei but fuck her
Fuck it we ball.
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The king’s merriment moved to your side, dragging you in both physically and emotionally as you found that the king was, well, exactly as the legend said. Robert had a way with people, had a way to bull his way past any barriers or hang ups, to turn enemies and critics into allies and friends. You were never one to drink too much, and feasts and parties were never your interest as you found they merely stages for your father to maneuver pieces and shows starring your brother cutting apart any unfortunate nobility who earned his ire. With King Robert though, the drink was sweeter, the food richer, and the laughter came easier. Coupled with the loss of your familial consideration for your bitch of sister, you found yourself settling into the pace of the king.
This merriment and the freedom of it, along with the sight of Cersei being taken aside by your father to be ripped apart by the Old Lions expertly crafted word shivs, made you a bit more bold. “Tell me your highness, after all day watching the tourney, I imagine you yourself might be open to some competition?” You asked, catching the King’s interest immediately along with Asha’s, who had been drinking and slowly becoming more comfortable around the man who broke her home.
“Oh? Is the little lion challenging me to something? Please say you are, I’ve been itching to swing my hammer, though you don’t look much of a match.” He said, laughing at his jab, and you shared the laugh easily as you held no illusions on your martial prowess.
“I’m afraid I’m no challenge for you my grace, and I could never risk your royal person in a whimsically made duel.” You said, watching the king’s face deflate a little, the edge of melancholy forming. Until you continued “However, Lady Asha,” you said, turning to include her into the conversation “quite adept at axe and knife throwing, If I may so claim my lady?” You said, watching Asha look at you in surprise, then nod.
“I prefer throwing axes personally, and I have never met a man who could match my skill at it.” She said confidently, the pieces falling into place for her as she looked at the king with a cocky grin “Though I assume the mighty king would not want to risk his royal fingers on such a crude game.” She said mockingly, earning anger from Robert, but the kind that fueled a good time.
“Oh you squid bitch, I’ll make you eat those words.” Robert said, standing tall and meeting Asha’s gaze with his own.
You ordered hand axes to be brought up from the armory, as well as some targets such a hay bales, crates, or anything disposable that could save the Rock’s walls and its treasures from destruction. “Good Luck my king, You may need it against Lady Greyjoy.” You said, meeting Asha’s glance she sent back at you, smiling and nodding in her direction, bidding her to enjoy herself.
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Soon, King Robert and Asha were throwing axes, Asha with skill and experience, and Robert with thunderous might and talent. Already, knights and more martially minded lords were gathering, sharing drink and cheers as they were wrapped up in the friendly competition. You yourself though, you found yourself free of your sister, free of your father’s hawklike eyes, and free of obligation. You let out a sigh, enjoying the food at your plate that had gotten cold but was still delicious.
(+3 Disposition with King Robert, 4/20)
(+3 Disposition with Asha Greyjoy, 10/20)
Now though, you knew that with this freedom, you had options. One of which was to simply detach from the noise and festivities and rest your spirit. However, with all the major nobility besides the greyjoys and martells present, to do so would be wasteful, and the voice of your father in your head would not allow you to be idle.
>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.
>Visit Lord Jon Arryn, Lord Paramount of the East, the Lord of the Vale, and Hand of the King. He was the man who was said to run the kingdom in Robert’s stead, who had no taste for rule.
>Call upon Lord Leyton Hightower, lord of Oldtown and close ally with the Citadel of Maesters. While not a major house like the Lannister’s or Starks, the Hightowers were old, respected, and one of the most influential families in the seven kingdoms.
>Visit Lord Mace Tyrell and his mother Lady Olenna Redwyne, The flowers of the the reach and holders of vast territory and also a family seeking friends as their reputation for Targaryen supporters in the rebellion still haunts them.
>Visit Lord Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Dragontstone, Master of Ships on the small council, and brother of the king. He is a notoriously hard man, compared to forged iron and famously dutiful and just. The story of his holding of storms end is legendary, which connects well with your interest in the ancient fortress.
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Dang, if Tywin could see all this political scheming that we're thinking about, he'd crack the biggest fucking smile.
Maybe discussing the long term marriage plans for Jason's kids is a conversation we should have with him sooner than later.
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>>6388984
>Call upon Lord Leyton Hightower, lord of Oldtown and close ally with the Citadel of Maesters. While not a major house like the Lannister’s or Starks, the Hightowers were old, respected, and one of the most influential families in the seven kingdoms.
>Visit Lord Mace Tyrell and his mother Lady Olenna Redwyne, The flowers of the the reach and holders of vast territory and also a family seeking friends as their reputation for Targaryen supporters in the rebellion still haunts them.
Prioritize Hightower however Olenna is priceless connection for once we have a son for Margaery.
>>6388969
Tyrion exists anon and Cersei's claims are to Crownlands through marriage. Jaime's is still a King's Guard. Cersei cannot do shit but try and bitch to Robert who will ignore her because for once he found a Lannister he can like. The man will be trying hard not to laugh as he wasn't fond of Tywin and Jason is FAR more tolerable to deal with. Without Tywin, Tyrion is also gonna be set loose with Jason's backing. Asha meanwhile just got to win over the Westerlands without dealing with her awful father in law and now only has to worry about Cersei because of course Cersei had ot make an enemy of her. Without her bitch of a sister in law too she'll be as happy as she can be and honestly Robert would probably be happy too. Then Asha only has to pay attention to her own family matters.
So yeah Cersei will go after Asha but Asha already wants revenge for humiliating her and her fiancé. Still needs to prioritize killing Tywin first before focusing on her bitch of a sister in law. Queen be damned.
>>6388972
Jason knows Asha has been skulking around the secret tunnels and arming herself. I don't think he realizes though just how badly Asha NEEDS Tywin dead. It's unlikely Asha will make a move before the wedding though but after? game on.
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>>6388978
>Do you think she needs any?
She *absolutely* needs evidence. Murder is a VERY serious crime, especially in Westeros, and especially of your father in law. Nobody fucking likes Cersei (except Jaime), and if Asha has a water-tight alibi (no pun intended) and there's no proof of her being part of a conspiracy, Cersei's accusations will be written off as the hysterics of a grief-stricken daughter.
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>>6388982
>“Oh you squid bitch, I’ll make you eat those words.” Robert said, standing tall and meeting Asha’s gaze with his own.
He truly is such a fucking bro... Even if I was the Squid Bitch in question I would find this charming!!!!! Truly only a frozen, recalcitrant worm-shit like Cersei could ever imagine poisoning or sabotaging a man like this...
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>>6388984
>>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.
I want to befriend Ned. I don't care if Tywin approves. I want to talk to him about The Wall, about Bran the Builder, and frankly, I want to rebel against our father by getting close to someone who is clearly the better man, and who sees through Tywin's bullshit. Ned also has his own history with the Greyjoy's, and maybe we could talk about visiting Theon.
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>>6388984
>Call upon Lord Leyton Hightower, lord of Oldtown and close ally with the Citadel of Maesters. While not a major house like the Lannister’s or Starks, the Hightowers were old, respected, and one of the most influential families in the seven kingdoms.
The Citadel is key to allow the growth for Jason mind to reach new heights. There is no other place like it, and it will provide a challenge to his intellect.
Stannis would be also a good choice, but he is more of a new military mind. He is not concentrated on even civilian applications. Talking with him would be on sieging and defending from sieges. An active and productive discussion, can it be made more than that ? Possibly.
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>>6388994
>The Citadel is key to allow the growth for Jason mind to reach new heights. There is no other place like it, and it will provide a challenge to his intellect.
I agree, but at the same time...cool journey...
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>>6388996
Depends on whether we go before or after the expedition and how long we study. Truthfully Jason is only really good at the related specialties of architecture like defenses, infrastructure, and sieges. With his specific talent and lack of talent everywhere else, he won't need to stay for too long a period.
>>6388995
Realistically, she has the most to gain from it by far. I doubt she'll want to risk it before the wedding but during or after? Oh yeah. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if she took advantage of the wedding to do it. Have Tywin all nice and drunk with his guard lowered? Perfect alibi?
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>>6388984
>>Visit Lord Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Dragontstone, Master of Ships on the small council, and brother of the king. He is a notoriously hard man, compared to forged iron and famously dutiful and just. The story of his holding of storms end is legendary, which connects well with your interest in the ancient fortress.
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>>6388984
>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.
Ask Neddard about how Theon's doing.
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>>6388984
>Call upon Lord Leyton Hightower, lord of Oldtown and close ally with the Citadel of Maesters. While not a major house like the Lannister’s or Starks, the Hightowers were old, respected, and one of the most influential families in the seven kingdoms.
Just because we're talking with him doesn't mean we need to go to the Citadel...and even if we do, we can go either before or after the journey.
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>>6388994
I think Stannis would appreciate Jason's company in this very specific circumstance and lighten him up to us. For the reason that Jason's genuine earnest interest in the siege, the fortress, and Stannis' actions and role during it all would not seem like someone bandying favor or sucking up to him. Imagine being the middle child, shafted and forgotten, then having some nice young man show up and really REALLY listen and think about your words, and even discuss the practical nuance of some of it with intelligent points and an open mind.
He may not grow fond of Jason for such a conversation, but he would certainly feel some sort of vindication that he is seen and appreciated for his own glories. That would definitely make him have a better disposition to what he would otherwise likely think is just another spoiled Lannister brat. If they ever found the time and place to discuss how they feel about their places in their families and see how they are both "not good enough" of a sorts they would commiserate and find some shocking common ground despite how different their lives have been. But that would be a question for future Jason.
He is just as valid of an opportunity as the others. Since he currently does have the ear of the Big Bobbert. And once the war of Five Kings kicks off it would be nice to have Stannis think positively of us since we could leverage his trust to our advantage. Potentially to get him to stop being such a stick in the mud sooner.
All of these options are very tempting for various reasons though.
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>>6388988
+1 to this.
Hightower and the chance for Jason to learn is the priority, followed by the Tyrell's.
If possible, we should try to also go cheer up Jaime a bit.
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Oh, I'm not voting for him, but if Ned wins then we MUST ask about the architectural marvel that was the heated plumbing beneath Winterfell.
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>>6388998
I still would like to push for us taking our OWN trip, not on anyone else's schedule, to go tour the realm and make friends. I think it would make for a really fun /quest/ and would gear us (and Asha!) properly for what we all know comes next. Three or four years of travelling with her, Sandor, Tyrion, and Tysha sounds perfect and wouldn't preclude us from doing anything else we need or want to do.
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>>6388984
>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.
Let us make a case for ourselves being the "One good lannister" in the Stark's eyes. So it isn't us who is kidnapped by a certain trout and dragged to the shitty castle on the mountain
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>>6388996
Its also dangerous, and Jason is not doing anything to truly improve himself meanwhile, beside using what he has at his disposal here in Casterly Rock. And once Uncle Gerion talks about what he wants to do, Jason and Asha would need to prepare as best they can with what time Gerion announcement gives them.
Expeditions to Valyria are not known to be successfull. The place is cursed, with lava, earthquakes, poisonous-gas, jagged coastlines, no friendly nature and more. If Jason and Asha can return it would cover them in legend. But its an if, placed on the shoulders of a young man and woman, against a land that has killed people more experienced than them just fine.
>>6388998
Very likely. We wouldn't be able to finish full studies depending on how many links we want to gain. 2 years is not much time for grow talent.
>>6389006
I believe so as well.
For the mind of Jason, its certainly gears him toward learning more warlike and military application of architecture. It can also lead to an attempt at making new defensive improvements, born from the discussion with Stannis and his real experience.
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>>6389009
I've been pushing that for a while. Two trips one across Westeros, visiting all the glorious buildings and tournaments. Another while sailing to Essos.
>>6389008
You know, it just occurred to me, wouldn't the Queen of Thorns actually be intelligent enough to see through Jason's and Asha's relationship dynamic? Now I'm curious about what she thinks about it.
Yeah, whoever we ask is gonna get questioned about glorious architecture. Pretty sure that is gonna be the real #1 why Jason secretly wants to travel and see/study it all for himself.
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>>6389012
Interestingly enough when it comes to engineering there is almost no distinction between military and civilian applications. Knowing how to make irrigation and knowing how to redirect a river to make a new, unexpected crossing, or dehydrate a fortress that relies on a river is literally the exact same thing on a different scale. Knowing the proper way to dig trenches and tunnels is just as useful in a siege as it is in mining or farming. A house and a wall both must start from their foundations after all.Now imagine using the heated water piping of the Starks to create boiling oil traps indoors where an army might thing it is safe.
LEGOs are so fucking cool. kek
>>6389015
The idea of a husband that is genuinely unthreatening would probably make Olenna kick herself internally for not being able to secure that for one of her granddaughters. Even if she couldn't see through the deception, the deception itself being "I only did it cause that's what she's familiar with" is a great thing since it means he WOULDN'T beat any other women.
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>>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.
He has Theon right? mind as well try to find out more about our brother in law too.
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>>6389073
Apparently lionesses bite lions on the genitals when they want to mate. Obviously Cersei is too fucking stupid to hit the target, but surely this would make Asha a true honorary lion.
Real shit though Asha must think she hit the jackpot. Of all the forced marriages she could have gotten, she gets hitched to the guy who lets her throw axes and happily so. Talk about silver linings. Or rather, golden bread for her shit sandwich.
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So for the post I’ve been reading up on the Hightowers. Jesus Christ this man has so many damn kids, and a good portion of them are around Jason’s age.
Of particular note is his eldest daughter, Malora Hightower or The Mad Maid. Her most notible mention is in a feast for crows, where she and her father are consulting books of spells after Ironborn begin to attack the reach under Euron’s command.
He has a number of young sons as well, all of whom scramble to prepare Oldtown against Iron born attack in the future.
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>scramble to prepare Oldtown
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>>6389074
She can dare to imagine a happy future.
You know Tywin is going to reach a boundary that should never be crossed with Jason.
Tywin: *makes demand that pushes way past Jason's boundary.*
Jason: *automatic, in a quiet firm voice* No.
Jason realizes the only witness is his wife and they're near a secret passage no one knows of except himself. Auto stabs Tywin in that mortally deadly part of the body just as Asha taught him about then shoves corpse into secret passage and throws it into an oubliette.
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>>6389116
I am reading up too and didn't realize that Leyton was the grandfather of Loras and Margaery both. Also didn't realize that in the books, GRRM says there is a case to be made that Loras is the deadliest living swordsman - I think I may have heard that before but he was such a fucking jobber in the show it was just ejected from my brain.
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>>6389199
Probably to do with his kids. I cannot imagine hearing about "I had their hands beat until they bled" without first tending to our kids injury and then having a very pointed conversation via stepping through the passage ways.
Keeping a concealed knife on our person may be a good decision for the future.
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Personally, I'm betting on Asha taking advantage of her own wedding to kill Tywin, abusing it to invite some trusted backup as the bride, given she is already a reaver captain with a retinue to rendezvous with to guide them through the secret tunnels in the middle of the night to whack Tywin, then sneak back into her wedding bed after escorting them out. Perfect alibi. Tons of witnesses and suspects. Puts herself in the perfect position to cover it up the morning after. With a year of prep time to investigate and prepare, which she already started doing. Likely first thinking about escape at first, but realized that her fiancé was her type and she would rather deal with her father in law instead.
All that's in the way of her happy future is Tywin. So she needs to kill him. Making her own wedding the 'red' wedding will be the best opportunity she will get in years. After that, in terms of her in-laws the only problem that remains is her bitch of a sister-in-law, Cersei. Then her own family problems with her uncles.
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>>6389242
Killing Tywin right after the marriage is stupidly suspicious when you think about it. I mean come one, the night of the wedding and the guy who stands in the way of her becoming "Lady Lannister" catches an axe on the back? Totally not suspicious...
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>>6389205
Garlan was the badass who donned Renly's Armor in the books and led the charge of the Tyrell forces at the end of the Battle of the Blackwater. All of the Tyrells are great, even MACE THE ACE, they just suffered in the show from:
1) Show Olenna being awful (she lovingly henpecks them in the books, while in the show she's outright sexist against men)
2) Garlan and Willas didn't get to exist due to screen time constraints
3) Loras specifically got hit by the fact that gay men are not allowed to be badass and must instead be twinks to signal that they are gay. Renly got hit by this hard as well.
Renly and Loras are both meant to be very handsome/beautiful men, but in an Action Moviestar way. Renly specifically should have looked like a younger and more physically fit Robert, that's one of the reasons the Stormlands went for him.Also, can I have your blessing to add Jason to the Power Level chart for another quest? If so, where would you want him (and, potentially, AUTISIMO ACTIVADO) placed? Tommen is F, Fat Robert is B, Bloodraven is SS, and EL GRAN OTRO is Maximum
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>>6389243
With what proof? The Bride and Groom were guarded that entire night in their bedroom, surrounded. There were no axes, just daggers. Lots of guests. Lots of witnesses. Lots of suspects. Lots of blades.
You need PROOF. You want to blame the Ironborn? Asha Greyjoy just married Tywin's son? Not to mention they recently got their asses kicked, so why/how would they? Martells and Targs would be far more likely.
Plus, right now nobody knows just how ambitious Asha actually is. However, she is starting to slip a bit with admitting the whole reaver captain stuff.
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They are also extremely protective and loving of Margaery the future Queen of Thorns. Who only really got sabotaged by her Daddy a wannabe kingmaker by getting set up repeatedly by him with his obsession of wanting a grandson for a king. Even his sons were getting sick of that shit. That family was notable in that the men were very martial, while the women were very intellectual. Much to Olenna's great annoyance and endless misery. As her greatest complaint in life was that the men were a bunch of dimwitted brutes.
Which is why winning them over should be very easy if we offer a way out for Margaery to Olenna with our heir.
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>>6389250
Anon there is LITERALLY a model of Casterly Rock in Tywin's office featuring everything and only Jason knows about Asha exploring the secret tunnels, which he kept quiet about, as well as her stashing weapons. Also no shit, they would inherit but those two were BUSY and SURROUNDED the whole night by guards. Not to mention Kinslaying is an EXTREMELY serious accusation that requires serious proof. Tywin has a SHIT TON of enemies. Everyone knows Jason is a mediocre heir at best, who is far less of a threat and much easier to deal with than Tywin. Nobody knows how problematic Asha actually is. Nobody is gonna be looking in their direction, but instead suspecting it was one of Tywin's enemies taking advantage of an opportunity to cripple the Lannisters.
Who would imagine it was the Lannister's own daughter in law and future Lady Lannister herself who would do it? The only ones who would even imagine it would be Tyrion and Asha's father/inner circle. Neither of them would say a thing and take that secret to their grave.
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>>6389257
Cersei is a stupid bitch. Although, she is so stupid that it does in fact make her dangerous but her influence is now limited to King's Landing. Frankly, nobody likes or trusts Cersei but Jaime. If she wants to dig around Westerlands and especially Casterly Rock she will be going up directly against not just the MC but fucking Tyrion, who would be set loose entirely at that point, and there is no way she is getting past him. Especially with how much he hates her. The MC trusts Tyrion implicitly and will be his right hand man. Which they both understand. Tyrion is NEVER going to let Cersei get away with shit.
Admittedly, the dynamic between Tyrion and Asha has yet to be fully revealed but some kind of arrangement is already in place on account of Tyrion entrusting Tysha to Asha's care and protection. Along with Jason forcing Asha to backdown on her behavior and treatment towards Tyrion.
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Let's not get too married to the idea of assassinating him while he is still useful. Some anons want to spend a few years at the citadel, others want to go sailing on the Brightroar expedition or on a world tour. But if Tywin dies before the civil war, we will be too busy administrating the house for either. We'll also be as soft of a target as we are now, without having established a retinue, personal alliances/friendships, or developing our talents. But, we'll be a much more valuable and visible target, as head of house. I don't think Jason even dislikes his father enough to approve of usurping him with violence. Depending on how things go, I could see him trying to coup Tywin in order to reorient Lannister out of harms way once it's obvious Tywin and Cersei are putting us in a desperately bad position for the benefit of her greasy little sociopath bastard.
In the meantime... What do we talk to Hightower about? Access to the citadel? How long do anons think it takes studying there to actually improve our already prodigal talent? What will Asha do in the meantime and who would we meet in Oldtown other than Maesters? Will we even be able to read 'the good stuff' without forfeiting our name and station?
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>>6389270
Jason hasn't reached the point of wanting Tywin dead urgently; instead playing the long game. Asha is thirsting for his blood since the kidnapping and her desire to kill him grows only more as her feelings for Jason intensify along with her ambitions and abuse at Tywin's hands. Tyrion wanting Tywin dead, recently cooled down a bit after a talk with Jason but that can easily be sparked up again when he has a chat with Asha. As for Asha, it depends on what she intends to use as backup to kill Tywin. I kinda doubt she will want to keep her hands entirely clean from it. As she will likely want the personal satisfaction of personal involvement but won't be dumb enough to try and solo it. If she borrows some gold from Jason I wouldn't be surprised if she spends the gold for some pricy backup. Otherwise, she has own her own trusted forces to help as well for backup.
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I'm mainly pointing stuff out from Asha's angle. Personally I would like it if she would wait but given how insanely ambitious she is...I have a lot of doubts about how long she is willing to wait before she kills Tywin.
Architecture and Citadel access. With our disgusting talent we would pick up our related specialty very quickly and outsiders are allowed to learn the same materials even earn rings just not allowed formal membership without the oaths. Technically, you can be a student and not a maester. In Oldtown we can also easily reach out to the Tyrells and other Reach nobles. As for Asha...it has a port. She has a ship with a crew that she totally will not misuse or borrow us for 'fun'.
Plus we could spend so much gold to have Maesters solve so many problems for us. Which is where the real fun happens. Also helping Asha reform the Ironborn via trade, logistics, and protection. With Iron pricing paid from protection and escorting/transport.
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To answer my own question, and for others to consider as we go into talking to Hightower for write-in purposes:
Studying at the Citadel will require at least a couple of years, and as one anon stated that isn't very much. Could be four, which is a lot of time which we should instead use to consolidate power in other ways, and develop interpersonal infrastructure that accounts for our weaknesses rather than hope to modestly improve our greatest strength. That's my thinking, anyways. I'd be down to hang around there for a year or so, ideally as part of a larger voyage to also visit other useful locations.
Maybe instead of becoming a full student of some kind, we just look for a crash course on some history/science that is more esoteric but relevant to our interests. Then we look for a Maester whose learning compliments our interests and needs more specifically than the guy already at the Rock, and have him be one of the first members of our entourage. Someone to bounce ideas off of when Tyrion is busy, maybe someone with more engineering knowledge in the realm of siege weapons or battlefields? We should also look for designs or blueprints relevant to naval engineering, maybe some documents there will help to improve the Iron Fleet.
So, perhaps we should ask Hightower if he knows the names of any Maesters with a great knowledge of engineering and construction, in order that we may begin a correspondence ahead of a visit to the Citadel.
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I'd get on board with a two year stay but only on the condition that it's not our very first stop - I'd want to get one or two more ass-kickers on board to help train Asha, I'd want to have gotten her a ship by then to help her continue to train her sailing skills, and I'd want to have met and befriended at least one other lord while out and about. We could possibly do all of that in one or two stops before hitting Oldtown.
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We aren't smart enough to get much use out of other studies besides our specialty which we should double down on it and anything connected to it. Like defense works and sieging. Given its our specialty we would likely rapidly gain rings in it.
In terms of entourage I wanna pay to get the best money can buy for a doctor and war adviser for Asha's retinue Maester. For us...honestly, we could use one for everything we suck/are mediocre at so everything else lol. I mean I know we have Tyrion but he should have his own retinue and is more of a right hand man kinda deal. So honestly, we could use a lot of maesters with differing specialties as advisers.
Meeting maesters of engineering, construction, architecture, and defense would indeed be most beneficial for Jason's learning but I think it would be counterproductive to hire them. Learn from while there yes but hire no unless we desire a consultation.
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>>6389282
That is what Asha's murderous rage and totally not kidnapping her husband is for. Along with uncle Kevan and best bro Tyrion.
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>Visit Lord Eddard Stark, best friend of the king, Warden of the North, and the most vocal opponent to the actions of your father in King’s Landing in the final days of the Rebellion.
>Visit Lord Jon Arryn, Lord Paramount of the East, the Lord of the Vale, and Hand of the King. He was the man who was said to run the kingdom in Robert’s stead, who had no taste for rule.
>Visit Lord Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Dragontstone, Master of Ships on the small council, and brother of the king. He is a notoriously hard man, compared to forged iron and famously dutiful and just. The story of his holding of storms end is legendary, which connects well with your interest in the ancient fortress.
My all time favourites. Except for Jon Arryn i wish he was explored better. I never really cared about the reachmen. They were always the most scammy faction after lannisters.
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>>6389211
Shitty as he is, I think that interfering with his grandchildren is one of the few lines that Tywin wouldn't cross.
In the actual canon, he doesn't supersede Cersei when it came to raising Joffery; who was in line for the fucking Iron Throne. He only slightly began to take a role in grooming Tommen once he saw that Cersei had fucked up so badly with Joffery that he got himself killed.
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I wonder if we should ever have Asha and Twyin sit down to discuss her ambitions for the Salt Throne of the Iron Islands.
Obviously she'll need to keep it secret that her ambitions don't end there, and that she also wants the Westerlands as well, but if she merely discusses regular scheming then maybe Tywin will treat her less like shit, and possibly even support her efforts when she's doing something that isn't risky.
He might have more faith in the future of the Lannister family if he knows that his son's wife has some impressive political cunning and ambition.
To be honest, I wonder if in this timeline, Tywin will become slightly more chill since he'll regular grandchildren that aren't from incest.
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>>6389282
I don't think it's abnormal at all in this setting for noble heirs to travel at length for diplomacy and pleasure. It can be dangerous, but it's dangerous everywhere. Maybe the QM will ultimately agree with your sentiment, but I really, really hope not. It seems strange to me how many anons in this thread appear to be dead set on our MC being as passive and unengaged with the world as possible.
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>>6389313
Well, I mean this with total respect, and am not at all trying to sound like a dickhead here, but I think my position is that Tywin isn't real, and the QM wouldn't necessarily be betraying his characterization to grant us that kind of permission in game. Even if it were too much of a stretch, I am also of the opinion that a part of this kind of collaborative storytelling is working in ideas and interests from the players even outside of specific votes - which has already happened - and ultimately seeking to tell a story that is driven, interesting, and suitably dramatic, yaknow? I think you could argue Tywin might be highly overprotective and keep Jason safe at home until he is thirty or so, or that Jason just wants to 'play with blocks' and is so unambitious he doesn't see a point to travelling, etc - there are merits to it even though I don't personally agree. But actually travelling the kingdoms, meeting people, and playing the 'Game of Thrones' with the leave of Tywin to do so is going to make for a much more interesting and dynamic game. It creates the opportunity to drive the plot and be an active character, instead of react to the plot or be passive. The QM can correct me there if he would prefer for this game to be a very low stakes castle drama that is detached from the wider intrigue and politics of the setting, though I'd imagine he'd have picked a different house were that the case... Even this idea that Jason is inherently unambitious doesn't really land for me. Through our choices as players, we will determine who Jason is, that's way more important than being told who he might be (as a child, no less, on his way to becoming a man, where EVERYONE changes) and then making sure our decisions mirror that. We have already made votes, such as ditching the tournament, that have introduced new dimensions to Jason - bravery, loyalty, adventurous.
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>>6389309
Asha hasn't even told Jason yet. IC we only have gotten...3 hints. None of which relates directly to her ambition but rather her unusual knowledge of warfare and combat, not directly to ambition, the Salt Throne. She is playing along with Jason both because it turned out Jason is her dream type(pretty boy), who later turned out to have useful skills that can even intimidate her(not that she'll ever admit that publicly) and because of her ambitions. She wants the Westerlands and needs Jason, whom she is developing feelings for.
Tywin burned the bridge with Asha when he tried to force his will on her and control her. That she found unacceptable. She could accept becoming Jason's wife(even grew to love it) but to become a proper Lady? That made her violently revolt against him because she couldn't appear so weak and soft if she wanted to rule the Ironborn. Ironically, Jason actually knew how to handle Asha best but Tywin had so little faith in his son that he would never believe it. As a result of this, Asha was unwittingly made a bitter enemy of his, who, in her eyes, desperately needs him dead to take both the Westerlands and enjoy having a family with her lover.
If Tywin had only taken a softer, more chill approach with Asha, he would have ended up smiling even in his dreams upon realizing how useful she would be in her cunning and ambition with her love of Jason. As eventually Asha would have opened up with them about her true inclinations. Which would have been a shockingly pleasant surprise to Tywin. Honestly, Tywin screwed himself over immensely with this timeline. As her hostility arose from Tywin's actions but Jason was winning her over.
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>>6389323
In my eyes what is most likely is Jason will be driven by his interest in some of the novel defenses and architectural works to ask Tywin if he can go on a tour. Tywin, being Tywin, would set some rules, in that he's basically micromanaging where Jason is going and along what route. Partly to keep Jason nominally safe, but also to ensure he goes to the "right" places to talk to the "right" people. He's not going to let Jason go to the Iron Islands, or Dorne, and a case would be made he wouldn't let Jason go to the North either, be it for the Wall or Winterfell.
Tywin would see value in having his heir show personal drive and showing up to various courts if there were ultra specific things that could be said which Tywin would undoubtedly coach Jason on. It's a strong showing and it allows Jason to schmooze which can build useful connections which Tywin can then exploit.
The question truly is whether Tywin will be paranoid or proactive. Which knowing Tywin I would say he leans more toward his ambitions than our safety. He would like to avoid Jason dying however he does have options if we do. Especially since he seemingly hasn't caught wind that Tyrion has caught feelings for a peasant, yet. So he may think he still has that option on the table to maybe get some decent goddamn grandchildren that way. No matter how much he despises his dwarf son, he can still use him. So this may be one of the only "reasonable" periods of time in which Jason could convince Tywin to let him go on a trip, anyway.
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>>6389337
>IC we only have gotten...3 hints.
No no, of course. I meant like, a few years down the road. They're just teenagers right now.
>As a result of this, Asha was unwittingly made a bitter enemy of his
>Which would have been a shockingly pleasant surprise to Tywin
This is the part I'm thinking about. I'm wondering if Asha would be able to pretend to put her grudge aside (enough to deceive Tywin), so that she can benefit from his expertise whilst she benefits from him being less pissed at her. The only issue is that Asha and her Ironborn pride would probably would see this idea as cowardly, and would prefer to just yell about how much she hates him, followed by demanding that he help her, regardless of how poorly that would go.
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>>6389313
A real shame that Asha hates Tywin and has a boat with a crew that certainly won't mind 'kidnapping' her husband for a bit. She'll do it just to spite him too.
>>6389323
The 'playing with blocks' is mainly a joke but not entirely given how frightening Jason's talent with construction actually is. More of wasted potential given how it was largely ignored by everyone around him until Asha showed up and went 'oh shit' when she realized he just solved Ironborn raiding in under a single night with just a few sentences from her. Kicker was it wasn't just construction but how to make use of smallfolk and knightholds to establish a defensive line that could crush raids so completely that it made Asha give up on raiding the Westerlands entirely. So its not that he is truly mediocre but rather overlooked and mistreated.
>>6389339
Tywin made it very clear he would rather pass House Lannister off to a cousin than Tyrion. As for Jason...Tywin hates him due to how 'mediocre' he is and how much he reminds him of the Laughing Lion. He doesn't hate him as much as Tyrion, but he is definitely next on the list. Otherwise, he wouldn't have denied him going to Old Town for education or finishing his knighthood. As it doesn't make any sense that a heir of Jason's age is so inexperienced and cut off. Both Jason and Tyrion are receiving very similar mistreatment. It's just Tyrion decided to act out while Jason internalized it by focusing on his hobby.
>>6389341
Tywin and Asha are at an impasse because Tywin requires Asha to be more Ladylike but Asha CANNOT do this lest she entirely give up on the Salt Throne. Even if she reveals the truth to Tywin this doesn't resolve Tywin's requirements of a Lady Lannister. Ergo it doesn't matter unless Tywin takes a step back. Which will never happen because it's Tywin. Asha HAS taken a step back, as proven with Jason. Who knows how to get her to back down, but that isn't something Tywin will ever do.
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>>6389344
>Tywin made it very clear he would rather pass House Lannister off to a cousin than Tyrion
On the other hand, he could have Tyrion have some kids, kill Tyrion, then have the grandkids set to inherit. The stain of being Tyrion's spawn would probably be at least tolerable as opposed to being Tyrion. Especially if those children inherit Tyrion's brilliance but none of his being a dwarf, or Joanna killing freakishness. Tywin would also probably find it darkly satisfying to kill Tyrion and raise the kids "properly" by himself. Because fuck Tyrion.
I'm just saying. If there is a chance for it to happen, right now when all the pieces to Tywin's puzzle seem safe and set in stone is probably the best time. He doesn't want Jason to go anywhere because he's being a moody bitch and doesn't see it as worth the effort, but Jason showing some initiative might make Tywin just throw his hands up and say whatever. Which we won't be able to do once tensions start to kick up again since Tywin will see Jason as being unable to survive even a hint of strife.
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>>6389244
I’d say power level wise, he’d be below Fat Robert. Fat Robert could snap him in half, but not much weaker since Jason is fit, trained, and not an idiot. Bobby B is just built different to still be an existential threat to most men even at his worst.
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>>6389356
On the other hand, Tywin is also willing to break personal rules if it means causing Tyrion distress or harm. I could see him stealing away Tyrion's children for that reason alone, because that would be a gigantic dick move to Tyrion. Then forcing Tyrion to take the black and bam, now Tyrion has to know his children are in the "tender ministrations" of Tywin. Tywin's hatred is unreasonable enough that he will do things seemingly out of character solely out of spite for Tyrion.
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>>6389360
Thank you for your contributions to the autism. I put Jason at the bottom of B Tier based on your thoughts, while Fat Robert is at the top. Robert being Peak B instead of Bottom A was to more thoroughly show how much he slumped since the "then" in "Gods I was strong then". Notably, he is the only person to hit S Tier without any magic bullshit. Jon's a Warg, Ser Pounce and Tommen did a Fusion Dance, Old Bloodraven is still Bloodraven, Melisandre is a shadowbinder, and Darkstar isn't real he's just Gerold Dayne's OC Do Not Steal. Robert Baratheon was there with his hammer, and that's it.
Of course in First Form Autism State, Jasons power level achieves a marked jump.
Also, ignore the Myrcella stuff that's specific to the other quest.
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While the allure of the fabled marvels of Winterfell called to you, the glass gardens that allowed the northerners to produce food even in the harshest winters and the hot springs heating their castle, along with the mythical bastion of Storms End that was fabled to resist even the siege of gods against it, a different avenue called your interest. Lord Leyton Hightower, sentinel of the South and Old man of the tower, had chosen to attend the Tourney and had done so with some of his large family.
His heir, Baelor Hightower or Baelor Brightsmile as he was known, had not come, instead being trusted with the care of Oldtown. At Lord Leyton’s side was Malora Hightower, a handsome looking woman who dressed oddly, choosing fabric and silks dyed and decorated in an Essos style you did not recognize, and smelling of incense that soothed your nerves and reminded you of the sea. She seemed to be paying attention to the feast, but her hand was on an old book that seemed to be calling for her.
In his company, there were his younger sons and youngest daughter, with one of his middle daughters present as Lady Tyrell, wife to Mace Tyrell. The other middle daughters had not attended, their husbands either unable to come or having duties that took their time. This left Lynesse his youngest daughter at his table, while his youngest sons (Gunthor and Humfrey) and middle son (Garth) were at the gathering crowd around the axe throwing, eager to get a chance to compete against the King or Lady Asha.
Finding yourself drawn to the protector of the ancient heart of Westeros, you made your way over and made yourself known to the older Lord. Though your station placed you higher up in the social ladder normally, the Hightowers were wealthy, powerful, and an old family that predated the paramountcy of the Tyrell’s. So you approached the Lord and bowed your head, showing respect due to an ancient house, both too the Lord and His daughter. “Lord Leyton, might I join you and your lovely daughter? I find myself drawn to the calm and quiet of your corner of the hall.” You say, putting on all the charm you could. Being adequately charming and adequately handsome, while it may not open every door, served well when your request was innocent enough.
Lord Leyton Hightower looked up from his meal, the Lord having been enjoying the main course while the feast separated into its current chaos “Ah, Lord Jason Lannister, of course please do take a seat. I’m surprised that the Heir of the Rock would pay a minor lord like myself a visit.”
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>>6389385
You took your seat, nodding in thanks but then offering your own polite nicety. Respect was due, and it would be paid before any talks of any subject could be performed “Why would I not wish to speak to the head of such a respected family, and please do not treat me so highly, I still have many years before I take my father’s place. Until then, I am merely the spare that was needed.” You said with an easy smile, the humble statement foriegn to those used to Lannisters.
Lord Hightower seemed interested, smiling back “Oh do not sell yourself short Lord Jason. I hear that you are quite the intelligent young man. That you discovered all the secrets of the rock in your boyhood, and have already begun planning great works such as that arm of stone in the Lannisport bay.”
“Oh my brother, Lord Tyrion, is the intelligent one ser, I am merely well educated and focused. My maester saw my interest in blocks was a step beyond the norm, according to his words, and merely cultivated it. I owe him for all of my current skill.” You said, seeing the mention of education and the praise of your maester drawing Lord Hightower’s interest. “Though with your being so close to the citadel, I can only imagine the knowledge and skills you have been able to cultivate.”
As you spoke, Lady Malora’s gaze lazily shifted to you, and then rested on you as if you were a fluttering piece of debris dancing in the light. The mild interest in the insignificant shift of the world. You gave her a smile “Hiw are you finding the festivities, Lady Malora? Have the lions managed to be adequate hosts?” You asked, mostly as a jest since the amount of thrones that had been spent on this tourney was enough to buy and sell many lesser houses across the 7 kingdoms. However, something shifted in Malora as you said the name of your sigil, and as you sent a smile her way. Her focus shifted, becoming sharper yet looking at something that was in your place, as if you were in the way of your own person.
Then she smiled back at you, looking at you as a person for the first time “Oh most certainly Lord Jason, it has been a most entertaining and refreshing Tourney after such a harsh time, though the rebellion was brief.” She said, her arm rising from her lap to show thick sleeves hiding her hand. Then with a shake of her arm that seemed to jostle many arm bands, a Lion’s tooth as long as the length between the tip of her middle finger to her wrist slid from her sleeve. It dangled on a length of white metal, a kind unknown to you, as its tip brushed against the table “You however,” she said, drawing her father’s interested gaze as her tone seemed to shift “are far more humble than I would have imagined. The Pale Lion, does it rest to let the pride roar, or does it wait to carve the day with unseen claws..” She said, the smell of her incense seeming stronger but more pleasant.
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>>6389386
You kept your expression the same, though internally you confirmed why Malora might be called the Mad Maid “I’m afraid My lady I don’t quite follow your meaning. I am simply a man surrounded by a talented family.” You said, choosing to respond as best as you can, still wondering where the epithet of Pale Lion came from.
Lord Leyton’s gaze lingered in his daughter, watching the dangling Lion’s tooth swing and spin, until he saw something in its movement, some unknown portends beyond your perception. Him and his daughter shared a smile as Lord Leyton looked to you “I do apologize for my daughter, she has become fascinated with oddities and curios due to my friendship with the Arch Maester of the Higher Mysteries. He’s a charming, eccentric fellow.” He said, watching Malora placing the Lion’s fang and chain on the table and leaving it there. “Ah but enough of that, you came here for a reason doubt. Were you perhaps interested in the Citadel?”
You nodded, happy to be on a proper subject “Oh very much so. I admit there had been thoughts when I was young of becoming a Maester, however my father forbade it even before I became his heir. He valued my presence in other matters,” you said, putting your father’s disdain at the idea of one of his children being a servant in the most polite way you could manage. “Still, I desire to visit its halls and perhaps delve in its knowledge.”
“Then why not do so?” Malora asked, taking a sip of her wine and still staring at you as if you were in the way of something larger.
“Ah, as the Heir to the rock, I must always be considering my future and the future of my house, and thus have no time for a ‘Personal’ trip as my father would describe it. Unless I could somehow dress the idea as a step forward for House Lannister, my father would never approve it.
Lord Leyton, proving his experience as a Lord, was quick to pick up your meaning. “Ah, well that is unfortunate. I do respect Lord Tywin for his devotion to his family and the lessons of that virtue being given to his children, but I must admit he sounds like he forbids joy itself at times from the rumors I hear.”
You let out a polite tactful laugh that said nothing but confirmed much.
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>>6389387
“Hmm,” Lord Leyton said, before leaning over for his Daughter to whisper in his ear “You are in need of a Knight to help you earn your spurs do you not?” He said, his calculations forming in his mind “I heard from her majesty Queen Cersei during that, hm, little back and forth.”
You nodded, a genuine solemn expression coming to your face “Yes, I squired for my Uncle Tygett for many years, but the Pox took him before I could earn my Spurs in his eyes. I fear at this wait I may remain a squire for the rest of my days.” You said, already seeing where Lord Leyton was going.
“Well, with your marriage coming soon, and your desire to visit the citadel, I have a proposal. My son, Baelor, is a knight of some repute though as I get older I trust him with more and more of Old town’s running. So in an effort to build connections and friendships between the two great trading ports of the western coast, perhaps you could squire for my son for a time while also enjoying studies from the citadel. Your betrothed may also enjoy it, able to spend time with my daughters and even have access to the treasures of Dorne and Old Essoes.” Lord Leyton offered, smiling as he saw your control break for a genuine smile “Of course, in exchange I would love for you to help Oldtown, fortifying it against Ironborn attacks in the future much as you are doing for Lannisport.” He said.
You considered it, an offer to study at the Citadel in exchange for a likely short squirship under Baelor Hightower and aiding the reinforcement of Oldtown. The idea had its allure, however it would require something “Would it be alright if I brought along my Twin, he is far more intelligent than me and would be able to help with the plans i have for your port immensely.” You say, seeing a nod from Leyton makes the deal all the more enticing.
>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.
>Decline Proposal, instead deferring to your fathers plans to have you forge your presence with your future banner men (Stay in the westerlands to begin building ties with your bannermen, getting a chance to begin finding your own men amongst the westerlands and beyond as events unfold.)
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>>6389388
>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.
Well of course! We need to become a knight, obviously.
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>>6389388
>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.
lol wow 2 links and a knighthood in only a year. Jason really is talented after all when utilized properly.
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>>6389388
>>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.
What other link would we be going chaps? Warfare to go full siegemaster?
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>>6389381
Where would Asha be in that list ?
>>6389388
>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.
hell yeah sounds great
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>>6389399
It would take two years, but to be fair Jason is already very afar along on Archtecture, his knight hood would be something he gains outside of combat at Baelor's whims, and he is also a noble with nothing but time to study for to get the second link.
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Oh wait I just missed the fact that part of the deal is us fortifying Old Town against ironborn attacks. LOL Asha is gonna be mad and horrified. But they did agree to grant her port access, so I'm sure she is gonna love tearing up Essos and partying it up in Dorne. Asha is gonna love Dorne so much.
Tyrion meanwhile will...hm. Maybe Tysha will calm him down and he'll just focus on his studies?
>>6389402
Ah so Baelor won't put him through his paces much but mainly focus on his defense works and command? I guess Asha is gonna have to do it instead. Well hopefully Baelor will at least help Jason learn to socialize properly or something.
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>>6389403
yeah, Jason is likely to gain his spurs from a bandit fight, or some protection of someone in town, or the like. Due to the peace that's coming, there is no war to really earn his spurs on.
Plus, Knighthoods can just be given by any Knight
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>>6389388
>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.
Asha can just make the Ironborn more like actual Vikings, who traded most of the time rather than raiding
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>>6389388
>>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.
Ok, that's a good deal, and not a huge time investment, so definitely worth it. From there, already out from under Tywin's stifling attention, I think we could easily set sail for whatever we want to do.
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>>6389388
>Accept the proposal, planning to go to Old town after your wedding with Asha (Go to Old town to have access to earn A link in architecture from the citadel along with a Link for one other subject in the years before Gerion's fated voyage. Also receive a Knighthood and disposition with the High Towers.
>>6389398
Targaryensisters DON'T LOOK!
Everyone above Drogon except undead Viserion has an answer to this. Either that, or they're a meme. Honestly like half of them are memes.
>>6389401
>Where would Asha be in that list ?
Upper B Tier, probably. My A tier qualification was "you have magic or beasts that put you above your weight class by a lot" (Dany, Myrcella, Stannis) or "you're acknowledged by the Realm as a dangerous foe" (Jaime, Eddard, Loras, and even fucking Gerold, the useless chuuni-ass edgelord). B Tier's qualification is largely being skilled enough to not get low-diffed by an A tier foe in 1v1.
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>>6389403
> LOL Asha is gonna be mad and horrified
It's really not much of a possibility for her to go raiding the kingdom if she's gonna keep being married to Jason.
Well, at least until the war of the five kings starts - then she can go wild with that privateering.
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>>6389400
>What other link would we be going chaps? Warfare to go full siegemaster?
I think I am evenly split between three ideas:
>Warcraft
>A second Architecture link
>A curveball link to give us a sort of secret talent in the back pocket - I'm split on this between astronomy/astrology and medicine.
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>>6389405
Well she'll be married to Jason who can give her startup money and she'll be at a major trading port so...yeah actually not a bad idea. Along with opportunistic piracy. She can't go too far with it lest her port access get revoked but that is what Essos is for. We can even convince her to try it out by the fact she'll need an alibi for any goods via a trading company and her reavers will also serve as security forces. The blood spilled to defend also counts as the blood spilled to take so still iron price right?
>>6389412
She'll still be offended and secretly intimidated as an Ironborn. It's the principle of the thing you know?
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>>6389415
Concept: go into alchemistry so we can weaponize wilddfire. If our sister can get enough barrels to blow up half the city, we can get enough to use in war. We could do something like a ceramic sphere that is filled with the liquid and thrown in a catapult so it shatters on impact and goes kaboom.
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>>6389403
>Maybe Tysha will calm him down and he'll just focus on his studies?
He only becomes an alcoholic horny goomba because of the Tysha Trauma. Now that he isn't experiencing that, he will probably be a lot more focused, balanced, and probably end up even MORE knowledgeable, I bet.
>>6389412
>privateering
We should absolutely turn this into a business, basically a second gold mine. Even if WE aren't cool enough to pull heistswe should...there is NO reason we can't tell the Ironborn 'bring us whatever blueprints or maps you can for enemy fortresses and keeps, even just ones owned by people supplying our enemies, and I will draw up step by step plans to infiltrate and plunder them which you can follow', then let THEM do the heisting. Suddenly those soggy, salty scoundrels are rappelling down walls or tunneling up from underground rivers we are able to determine the whereabouts of based on geology or climate to rob bitches blind.
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>>6389420
Alternatively, just use the damn barrels + sapping. Sapping is an extremely underrated method of siegebreaking. You dig under the walls, place a barrel of explosive and kaboom goes everything. You don't need to destroy the wall, just make a big-ass hole so gravity does the rest.
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Very clear winner, But I wanna sort of keep the momentum going so i'm gonna go ahead and do some quick votes to jump us forward a bit, since I don't feel like getting stuck.
So first off, You will be going to Oldtown, Tywin can't deny this because the deal of a free knighthood from a reputable knight as well as setting up friendly ties with the Hightowers, who have the ear of Tyrells due to marriage, is appealing to him.
However first comes the marriage between you and Asha, which I will be doing a actual post on but probably one.
First Vote for that
What wedding day gift do you get Asha?
>A Cog to captain, A high sided single sailed ship mostly useful for trade that can easily enter ports for loading and unloading, their design inherently difficult to board making them useful against pirates.
>A Skiff to captain, a small vessel similar to to fishing vessels in technology, but designed to move faster than anything on the water and built to need a small crew (partially to keep Asha from disappearing with it at Tywin's request)
>A set of high quality axes forged for her hands, perfectly balanced for throwing and close combat, decorated with Krakens and Lions dancing a weaving across the handles.
>Other?
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>>6389423
Thing is for the first idea, Wildfire can permeate pottery IIRC, which makes it... less than shelf stable. Unless we use glass containers for it, which might be a possibly viable option.
For the second, we can sap walls without wildfire. Just set a regular fire down there to burn out the supports for the tunnel and it'll collapse without the magic napalm.
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>>6389425
>A Cog to captain, A high sided single sailed ship mostly useful for trade that can easily enter ports for loading and unloading, their design inherently difficult to board making them useful against pirates.
And while we're studying in the citadel, she can get her captain career.
>>6389426
>Thing is for the first idea, Wildfire can permeate pottery IIRC
The wiki says it does so *eventually* - obviously, we weren't going to transport with it on the shells. They'd be on proper containers, and then poured into the shells at the time of the siege.
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>>6389425
Are we allowed to design the ship ourself? Of course, we wouldn't do the actual building ourselves, a whole ship is too much for one man to build in a year, no matter how small. But if we design it ourself, it can be a labor of love.
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>>6389423
You know sapping also works without kaboom? Weakening a foundation is quite effective.
>>6389409
Man those anti-Dragon weapons in the show were quite BS. The amount of training and calculations to pull of their trickshots are quite high.
>>6389415
Are we even allowed to get a second architecture link? Maybe a link in maths or economics? Also thanks for correcting me. It is indeed warcraft and not warfare.
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>>6389426
I will be down if you guys wanna play with the demon magic death fire, but keep in mind that Wildfire is definitely magic, definitely wants to kill you, and definitely maybe alive.
Though that may just be my latent fear of wild fire talking. The book description of it terrifies me
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>>6389431
Don't wanna play with the fire. It's also a recipe monopolised by the Alchemists in kings landing right? Also your fear is something quite common. Napalms is something you do NOT want to be on the recieving end of.
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>>6389403
>Jason if you keep making this harder for me I am going to waterboard you.
As long as it is JUST Oldtown that gets fortified and not the entire coast defended it'd probably be fine.
>>6389408
>taking the opportunity to go on a cruise instead of coming straight home
The ass beating, it will be legendary. I wouldn't want to do it unless Tywin forces Sandor to come along with us, though. Just to be extra sure of our safety.
>>6389412
I was gonna say, once the houses start killing each other the raiding is back on the menu. Of course, there could be something to be said about people sucking up to Jason specifically to stop Ironborn attacks through fortifications if they think they're effective. And the other Ironborn are going to keep raiding and killing irregardless of what Asha is about unless she gets rulership. Which is still possible, but you never know. Euron is still gonna be a fuckass.
>>6389415
>jason asks about higher mysteries on a lark
>learns magic spells solely so he can make better walls
Damn if it wouldn't be funny that Jason could learn to reforge Valyrian steel like some of the best smiths can. Magic's slowly growing stronger in Westeros again, I would be very amused by such a flight of fancy paying off. Wildfire is made with spells as well as alchemy. Who knows what other bullshit people can make.
But being realistic and less silly, I'm actually thinking geology. Or geography. A mix of both. Nature's own qualities and movements that create natural chokepoints and fortifications. There are lessons to be learned there. Knowing land is a potentially valuable skill. And it translates into truly gargantuan scale earthworks.
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>>A Cog to captain, A high sided single sailed ship mostly useful for trade that can easily enter ports for loading and unloading, their design inherently difficult to board making them useful against pirates.
We can consider this an addition to the Lannister fleet. If (when) she outgrows it and decides to get something better suited to other activities.
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t. The Hound
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>>6389428
That seems like a lot of steps to make on a campaign for the stuff that burns like napalm but worse and, IIRC, either lights on contact with air or is stable, but only about as stable as nitroglycerin.
We'd need to bring alchemists on campaign if we want to do stuff like that, and I imagine alchemists EXPENSIVE, and even MORESO if you drag them out of their lab. I say that we set up glassmaking instead and have them put it into glass ampoules. It'd limit it to smaller payloads, but be a whole hell of a lot safer.
It has the side benefit of giving the Westerlands a new luxury business to help offset our waning gold industry, and of coursewe can always just stick a dozen ampoules in place of a larger container. Wrap them in cotton so they don't go off before contact, and then when it lands the cotton will possibly delay the reaction to help deny the area for longer.
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>>6389425
>A Skiff to captain, a small vessel similar to to fishing vessels in technology, but designed to move faster than anything on the water and built to need a small crew (partially to keep Asha from disappearing with it at Tywin's request)
Our getaway ship and also means we would have a hangout spot away from prying eyes. (Totally not an excuse to train if we are going to do the badshit thing of going to Valyria.
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>>6389425
>>A Cog to captain, A high sided single sailed ship mostly useful for trade that can easily enter ports for loading and unloading, their design inherently difficult to board making them useful against pirates.
>Designed ourselves, with a mind more towards stability, comfort, and durability than speed or cargo capacity. It's our first ship design, we wouldn't want it falling apart on us, would we?
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>>6389425
>Give her a pair of fine throwing axes, well balanced for throwing and chopping, and engraved on the flat of the blade with a depiction of Lions and Krakens intertwined.
>They are hers to use as she will, but their true purpose for this day is to cut the ribbon on a new sort of trading ship that is hers to captain. Like the cog, it is primarily a vessel to move freight, with all the lovely things that make pirate boarding difficult. However it's masts and sails take from the Swan Ships of the Summer Islands, able to catch the wind from greater angles than the square sails of most Westerosi Vessels.
>It's name: The Kraken's Daughter.
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>>6389425
>Write-in
>Designs for a mighty flagship, relying on the castle Maester and Tyrion to help in areas where we lack, as well as notes from the finest shipwrights in Lannisport and King's Landing. We can fund it's construction when we get to Oldtown, since we will be there for two years, and when it is time for us to leave we will do so on her vessel.
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>>6389433
A stupid idea I had just now that will never happen is using wildfire to power a high pressure steam engine. Surely this would have no consequences whatsoever.
In all honesty, the only way I can think of our boy getting the idea would be a visit to Winterfell's hotsprings and getting a brainblast about "Can I use steam to move things?" but that would be a long way off.
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>>6389434
>The ass beating, it will be legendary. I wouldn't want to do it unless Tywin forces Sandor to come along with us, though. Just to be extra sure of our safety.
I mean, I would say we should pitch it via Raven maybe, it just doesn't seem at all unreasonable to want to do what seemingly the majority of noble heirs do between the age of 16 and 30... And it's definitely my hope Sandor will be there, I will be pushing for his inclusion the first chance we get. He is wasted on Joffrey, the snot has Kingsguard already.
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>>6389443
One of the best ships you can use for piracy is a merchant vessel. You can usually use it to sail right up to another merchant vessel without arousing suspicion, board the ship under guise of talks and then immediately set upon the other crew. If you kill them all, no one can tell of a false ship back at port. Clearly I have a plan and am not just talking out of my ass.
>>6389445
I fear that asking for permission is just begging Tywin to say no. Perhaps if this outing goes particularly well he will see the value in sending Jason to certain houses.
>joffrey
Well the reason why Sandor gets sent his way is because there are only seven Kingsguard. So it's common practice to have personal bodyguards besides them if you aren't explicitly the king. Even if you are the royal family. But yes, Sandor is wasted on Joffrey and Tywin should just hire another psychopath to tend to his retard grandson instead of sending the Hound. But Cersei is going to demand Sandor's presence most likely. So who knows how that will shake out.
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>>6389435
Issue with glass ampouls. Wildfire is so stupidly reactive that if it ages too much sunlight will ignite it.
Wildfire wants to kill you, and only wants to kill you more the longer it exists. they have to keep it stored buried in claypots, buried in sand, deep underground until the air is chilled.
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>>6389461
>Yes, if Asha is willing.
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>>6389439
And if I may add one shipbuilding innovation to the cog in partiuclar that I forgot to mention;
>Cog designed by us with a copper-sheathed bottom to prevent fouling and act as a natural weight to keep her steady.
Copper's more expensive than good wood, but far cheaper than good iron or steel. It's also one of the first real innovations to shipbuilding there is for medieval-style/early Age of Sail ships.
>>6389452
Dang. Glass ampoule, wrapped in a sewn leather satchel with padding to keep the sun out and prevent bumping it from going off?
Whatever the solution, it'd require testing for later.
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>>6389381
lmao, this is great
>>6389425
>Other?
A secret tunnel to a hidden shrine of the Drowned God amongst the cliffs of Casterly Rock, looking out across the sea.
Like I mentioned earlier in the quest, it would be a place where she can truly have privacy and be by herself if she so chooses. Where her prayers are hers, and hers alone.
Although, if it wouldn't be expensive, then maybe Jason could provide her with this as well as one of the other options.
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Consummation voted for, alrighty.
How does Asha get taken to bed?
>By westerosi tradition, carried by the men while you are carried by the women.
>You and her walk to the bed, denying the nobles the tradition.
>You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.
>Other
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>>6389461
>Cog is currently winning the vote, which will of course be designed by you as a show of your affection.
Can we get her the custom axes as well? Loved the imagery of them
Consummate the marriage on his wedding night?
>Yes
Beyond that, I wonder if we could try and use steam power or gun powder for something. Do both even exist?
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>>6389494
>>You picking Asha up once the night is ready and carrying her over your shoulder.
Let's practice for it by lifting heavy stuff and let her wonder what we're doing it for, lmao. Just do something like, "And now I must bid you all, a goodnight!" and then grab her and run before everyone else can get her.
Although I admit that it would be fun to do the other way around, we can save that for the honeymoon.
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>>6389494
Hm...have to consider her ambitions. So Westerosi is off limits. Would be getting picked up by us strike her out among the Ironborn or not? I know there is a specific Ironborn marriage tradition...
>Other
Asha's choice. As she won't choose something that will harm her ambitions and minimize the impact to Jason.
As Priority
Or if its safe
>You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.
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>>6389494
>You picking Asha up once the night is ready anc carrying her over your shoulder.
>>6389500
I say that by designing the ship, Jason could sneak out and "help" carrying some of the wood would be a good training. Or we can even just go and ask for some sack of wheat or something and we just train lifting it up.
The ship options let us have an excuse of "By us actually working on it aside of just designing it, it makes it more valuable", the wheat sack one would make us look dumb even if Asha founds us in one of the secret passages lmao
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>>6389494
>You picking Asha up once the night is ready and carrying her over your shoulder.
>>6389504
>lost Valyrian curiosity that never took off and a foreign item from Yi Ti
You’re probably right about both of those. I think the best case for us is to invent proto-railways linked to the gold mines under the Rock.
Historically they emerged in Germany in the 1550s to facilitate the transport of ore tubs to and from mines, using primitive wooden rails and either human or pony motive power.
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>>6389511
What would be really fun is inventing a fuckass ascending sled. What you do is put a gear on the bottom that ratchets one direction so it can be pulled one way when under load but when nothing heavy is placed in it it can rotate freely. You can do this with springs or with iron or steel braces that flex slightly when under heavy weight but push back when sufficient weight is removed. Then you put this contraption onto a few wheels and you've got a sled that can be pulled up along a slope and won't roll back down if you let go. Bonus points is that the process of this requires no input from the one pulling it. It'd also make a loud clanking and clicking noise as it rolls. Though it'd take a bit more effort to pull it as the teeth slide over the sloped portion of the gear.
What use is this in place of just having a crank with a locking pin in it? None. But it would be fun to make. And it might be useful for moving around corners and winding paths where ropes might snag or fray.
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>>6389430
>Are we even allowed to get a second architecture link?
I suppose the QM could veto this but I don't see why not, some Maesters rack up half a dozen or more links in a single material as they specialize further and further.
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One of the greatest boxers of the modern era got his ass beat by a guy who built his fundamentals by wailing on a sack of potatoes in a barn. With that in mind, I absolutely approve of training via manual labor.
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>>6389539
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>>6389551
At the very least I think she'll appreciate that Jason is man enough to not let some other men carry her to bed. Tywin, however, is going to be annoyed for not abiding by tradition. Damn dude Jason has received genuine praise from hid dad only once in his life. Maybe all he needs is some goddamn positive reinforcement.
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To be fair, even fucking Jaime and Tyrion never bothered to give Jason any good advice or praise. Otherwise, Asha wouldn't have waited until the wedding to finally get laid despite her best efforts or been the only one who noticed how freakishly strong his talent for building actually was. I honestly feel sorry for her. I mainly blame Tyrion though because seriously man wtf. Even Tyrion ultimately looked down on Jason when you get down to it. Asha is ultimately the first one who seriously considered Jason.
Seriously getting away from them would be the best thing for him especially realizing he has actual talent and value.
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>>6389554
Jaime always took the time to help Jason with his sword play, and was a good elder brother to both Jason and Tyrion.
Tyrion always helped Jason with the studies he had issue with, and is one of his biggest aides when enacting Jason's projects.
Jason may not have a perfect family life, but his brothers did right by him where they could.
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>>6389553
For real. Imagine if Jason managed to broker an alliance between the Tyrells and the Lannisters somehow through the Hightowers. He'd make it back home and Tywin would say some shit like "And you thought it wiser to tell me in person rather than send a raven to inform me sooner?". What a fucking prick. At least our actual uncles and aunts are okay.
>>6389554
Nah brothers just be like that, they don't gas you up that way. They'll love you and have your back for anything but they ain't gonna tell you "nice job". That's what dads are supposed to do.
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>>6389558
So they were somehow both completely blind to his talent and complete inability to women? Okay a bit more understandable but damn. Especially you, Tyrion, you could at least have taken him to a whorehouse or something damn.
>>6389559
If we do succeed in knocking up Asha with a boy and arrange a betrothal with Margaery I could still see that happening yeah.
I don't mean in gassing up but more in noticing the strengths and weaknesses of Jonas.
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>>6389562
Have you considered that the only reason Asha noticed was because of serendipity? If Jason hadn't asked her about sea-raiding, something she is educated and knowledgeable about, she would never have noticed how quick Jason can be? Now compare that to Jaime and Tyrion. Tyrion who is smart, but does not have a particular interest in architecture or warfare in general, and Jaime who is basically a himbo that is only truly good at swinging his sword around. They wouldn't have the proper framework to compare it to like Asha did. It's not a question of "Why weren't they good enough to notice?" and is in fact a question of "Were they equipped to notice to begin with?". Because the maester also saw it, because he also had the framework of knowledge necessary to see the burgeoning interest in Jason's youth.
It feels more like you're asking the fish why it can't catch the swallow in the clouds.
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>>6389504
Not much use in having a boil water machine, when you can send daily thousands of slaves in your lava-adjacent and air poisoned, evil ass mines and get all the riches of the earth you want.
Yi Ti could probably use gunpowder, but they seem to have gone in more than one warring states period. Judging by the all the change of dynasties they had. Maybe they invented it and then lost it.
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>>6389569
>Not much use in having a boil water machine, when you can send daily thousands of slaves in your lava-adjacent and air poisoned, evil ass mines and get all the riches of the earth you want.
Based and CHORF-pilled.
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>>6389574
>pissing off the gods so hard they smited your entire empire off the face of the planet
This is what happens when you do not temper your love of rocks with true faith in the gods. Don't worship stones, people. Oh and combination regicide and fratricide, don't do that.
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>>6389575
It was definitely a special kind of hellhole even pre doom. Really only comparable to that one jungle continent full of plagues and dinosaurs in terms of how fucked it is.
>>6389577
Don't forget all the blood magic and mass human sacrifice. The hellish mines were on the milder side of things all things considered.
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The plan had been set, as a form of Honeymoon as well as to cap off certain things that a young man of your age are expected to have, you and Asha would go to Old Town. There she would be free of Tywin’s gaze and you would be able to expand your knowledge as you desired. It took some wording, and you know your father understood your ulterior motives, but also knew that this was a move that could aid the family, and that Asha was well aware of the dangers of trying to escape back to the Iron isles. So he reluctantly agreed, though he did determine that it was best to send a guard with you, choosing Sandor to do it. The hound seemed rather put out for basically being assigned to baby sit you, but it was not much different from his normal mood. In the coming months things moved towards the next stage of your life.
Jason’s Sea wall was constructed, a new piece of lannisport that promised to help prevent any future ironborn raid from touching the port. Though this claim would remain untested for a time, all the same the people began to attach the epithet of “The Builder” to Jason’s name, something he appreciated and heard more of as his plans for the coastal defenses he devised to make the westerland coast too much trouble to raid, though it was take years to accomplish a project of this scale and no matter what the proximity of the Iron Isles would always attract their greed. Still, the worse it was for them, the less they would commit to it when the North or the Reach were prime raiding targets.
As the day of your Wedding with Asha approached, she found you wandering off often, disappearing into the tunnels of the Rock only to reappear when the sun was setting. You played coy, giving half answers when she tried to interrogate you, withholding your answer even when she threatened and then used physical violence. Once she found that you would not break, she gave up and decided to be patient, with you hoping that your plans would win her appreciation.
The wedding came, and it was the standard affair for a Westerosi wedding funded and planned by Tywin Lannister. It was grand, it was expensive, and it was meant to flex the power and wealth of the house in a way to bully the lesser houses of the Westerlands and also live up to the occasion of the King and Queen visiting. While Cersei had attempted to feign some illness or play down the need to attend, Robert had decided to go to mostly spite his wife but to also visit Jason and Asha.
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Asha was surprised to find that the king that had struck down the iron Isles and made her father capitulate was so quick to warm up to her, and even more surprised when she found herself warming up to him, however thanks to her Iron Isle ways she adapted quickly, understanding it as Robert being a powerful man worth the glory and respect.
The wedding was loud and full of feasts and gifts. You were given books, trinkets, a well made sword commissioned by King Robert with golden lions decorating it cross guard, that you gratefully strapped to your hip, ready to carry it always. The King also got a set of hand axes made for Asha, fine steel decorated with black iron tentacles and a karken’s shape hugging the axe blades. You swore you saw Asha lose her voice and have a genuine smile she had not meant to show.
After that, the night went on as it always does for weddings. People ate and drank as they prepared themselves for the tradition, the one you heard stories of. Where Men would carry Asha to your wedding bed, removing her clothes as they did so, while the invited women would do the same to you. It was a tradition you had hated from the mere mention, you found it uncomfortable and distasteful.
So, you had made a plan.
Whilst a final serving of boar was brought in, delighting the guests as they readied themselves for the coming frenzy, you stood up with a smile on your face “Lords and Ladies, I thank you for attending this glorious day, for helping me celebrate the fortune of marrying the Lady Asha Greyjoy, and her becoming my Lovely Lady Lannister.” You said, watching as the guests prepared themselves. You also saw Asha pulling a knife from her wedding dress, her shoulders bearing the golden wedding shroud of House Lannister. “Now, I believe it is time for us to retire, enjoy the meal and our hospitality. Lady Asha, come with me.” You said, the final part demanded as the first part confused the guests. Asha looked up to you, then yelled out indignantly as you picked her up, far too easily for her expectations as she was thrown over your shoulder. Before she could react, you then broke out into a sprint, a smile on your face as you took your bride from the wedding feast, the guests sounding their confusion and disappointment, save for Robert who laughed loudly at the apparent eagerness of you to consummate your marriage.
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>>6389590
You did not go to your wedding bed though, you slipped instead into one of the hidden passages, Asha on your shoulder as you carried her and she decided to wait and see where this went. And where it went was the old docks of Casterly rock carved into the cliff, deep and secure and hidden. There, you entered the smell of sea water and wood, and Asha turned and froze as she saw it.
“I spent time helping construct it, though I’ll admit my contributions were minimal compared to the workers. Yet I helped, and used the excuse to build up my strength to carry you to your marriage bed.” You said, stepping onto the gangplank up onto the ship, the sail decorated with a Lion but the railings carved in the fashion of Kraken tentacles. Iron and gold mixed with the decorations, treated so the Iron would not rust.
The silence of the hidden dock was interrupted as you pushed in the door that lead to the captain’s quarters, where a fully furnished room lit with candle light, stocked with wine, and small foods to snack on, the bed ready. Bringing her in, she saw the whole thing, and seemed to ready herself, when you looked at her “This is your ship, Captain Asha.” You said, placing her down on her feet and placing her so you were between her and the bed and she was between you and the door. “Your ship, your marriage bed.” You said, taking her hands in yours, smiling up to her "You would have let me take you to that bed, but it’s not my bed to take you to. So, Will you let me take you to your bed Captain Asha, or will you be taking me?” You asked, smiling at her warmly, though your own awkwardness and hesitation lingered in the back of your front, something Asha seemed to notice.
Asha shared the space with you, a contemplative silence taking hold as she seemed to take in everything around her. You take her here by force, to a ship you had helped carve and shape just for her, the gift of the sea returned to her even if that freedom may prove limited. She seemed to consider everything, then settled her eyes on you, her gaze soft.
Then she kicked you in the chest and sent you to the bed, the wind knocked out of you as the sound of cloth tearing was heard, Asha removing her wedding dress quickly and efficiently “You really are a weird greenlander,” she said with a hungry smile, landing naked atop you and placing the knife at your collar "There's a bit of iron in there deep down.” She said, before she began to cut away your clothes, and soon began your wedding night.
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>>6389592
+1000000 Asha Disposition
It's really nice to see you managing to work in the other gift in an interesting way, and I'm glad that my writein was taken. Also nice to see Jason on his way to getting that "the Sealion" title. Carrying off his wife to consummate the marriage on a ship he built for her is some fairytale stuff.
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>>6389592
Man robert really does turn out to be such a bro, unlike our bitch of a sister. Also Asha finally gets what she wants on her own boat. Jason really knows how to flirt with a Ironborn woman. Guess he must of have learned over the past year.
>>6389607
To be fair, Jason is oddly compatible with Asha. I would argue they are more of a power couple even. By the seven what will happen when Jason learns about siegecraft and Asha drags him out for some 'fun'.
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>>6389608
Fellas, get you a woman that will tell the cashier you asked for no pickles. What are the odds people who meet Jason and Asha are confused at how they seem to be happy despite seemingly being nothing alike. Will the rumors say he has a golden cock or that she's secretly made of seafoam and not seasalt?
I wonder if Tywin is ever going to think "Jason is like Tytos if he wasn't a 'complete' loser". I also wonder if that thought won't cause him to shit himself in pure fury.
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>>6389592
So i wanted to roll for children here, but I think I'll save that for later so Jason has soem freedom in what he can do.
For this next part, we'll go through his time in Oldtown.
jason will acquire his Link, A red gold link, for Construction and Architecture.
What will his second link be?
>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciences
>Iron: Warcraft
>Copper: History
>lead: Languages (Learn multiple languages)
>Silver: Medicine and human anatomy
>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)
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>>6389622
>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)
SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG
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>>6389622
>Iron: Warcraft
Likely specializing in defense and siegeworks since this is Jason we are talking about.
Eh roll for children anyway. Need a heir ASAP and right now its not like we are doing a lot of big stuff. Plus that is what nurse maids and Uncle Tyrion + Auntie Tysha are for! I need that heir ASAP for my plans to work out properly.
>>6389615
Westerosi likely have no clue. Dornish would have suspicions but also rather confused given the contrast. Only one who would have a clue is the Queen of Thorns because of what Cersei did which would give her some clues. Just imagine the rumors though yeah, there would be a ton of them. Everywhere. Ironborn, Greenlander, and Dornish.
Jason reminding him of the Laughing Lion is why Tywin hates him so much. Even though word is finally spreading of his talent in building. Tywin just cannot shake that image out of his head. He grudgingly let Jason go, barely because even Old Town was interested in that offer and barely allowed us to escape his grasp. Giving all three of us breathing room for the next two years.
The truth about the relationship dynamic between Jason and Asha won't come out until a war breaks out. When the synergy of aggressive warmastery of Asha with the defensive mastery of Jason makes everyone else collectively scream in terror. That kind of duo command and synergy is the stuff of the greatest of nightmares in any war or battle.
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>>6389622
>>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciences
Copper/lead/silver are things we can outsource with a normal maester, so that leaves it a tossup between Steel, Iron, and Valyrian Steel. Higher Mysteries/magic/unknown sciences would be !!Fun!! and Warcraft/Iron would be nice for honing our natural skills... but a steel link synergizes REALLY well with construction and architecture. Instead of having to commission a new project and go "no, like this, no, a little to the left", we can avoid being the bane of engineers (as all architects are) by becoming our own engineer. That, and we can just consult with Asha and possibly others we may gain for warcraft.
I really, REALLY want to be the first owner of an ironclad, artillery-armed (torsion ballistae) ship on the sea, because that's a flex that will not only cement us as "The Sealion" but also as a genius. Hell, I'd even take copper-bottomed with no iron.
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>>6389622
>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)
Time to grind riverland peasants into Mortar to make a second Harrenhal that won't get melted and cursed by dragon fire
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>>6389622
>>Iron: Warcraft
So tempted by some of our other options, but if there's anything I know about Westeros, it's that there is always a war coming. No matter how much we disrupt the timeline, there are gonna be big ones coming down the pipe. I won't be mad if we end up going with magic or languages though.
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>>6389637
>I really, REALLY want to be the first owner of an ironclad, artillery-armed (torsion ballistae) ship on the sea, because that's a flex that will not only cement us as "The Sealion" but also as a genius. Hell, I'd even take copper-bottomed with no iron.
I have your back on this, though I suspect a Warcraft link will still help move us in this direction, albeit a touch less than a Metallurgy link.
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>>6389622
>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)
I like this because I know almost jack shit about ASOIAF but the general lore and what magic does in that world it's really interesting. But if it doesn't get many votes then I'll go with
>Steel: Weapons, blacksmithing, and material sciences
>Iron: Warcraft
>lead: Languages (Learn multiple languages)
The first two because I think it's interesting that Jason widens his knowledge about war and the material sciences would be useful for what he already knows. But the lead link would also make him a great diplomat.
For how Jason has been acting, I think he has some good qualities for that: Aside from some simple subtleties and some obvious charisma, he has been acting like a chameleon, using logic to approach Asha at first (Not pitying her), using some knowledge of how she acted to understand the Iron born mentality, but also showing some flexibility, by following her customs and also to approach Lord Leyton to not only secure a place on the Citadel to study but also to get a job, and surely make some friendship with Lord Leyton that he gets not by being a Lannister, but by being Jason himself.
Also, if the idea for the long run is to surround ourselves with great people this would help. Jason would be not only a noble, but could turn into a prolific adventurer arround the world, adopting cultures and making friends in the process
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My idea behind the magic study would be that they'd be useful if we were to join gerion's journey to recover Brightroar
I mean, even Tywin himself *failed* to secure a replacement for the Lannister valyrian sword. Owning it would be some massive brag rights.
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I know I have been, more than other anons, a sperg about architectural crime and burglary. That said, I will continue to do so when I mention that in his book, Geoff Manaugh (an architect) describes a conversation with a former burglar who confessed to having autistically memorized so much of his city's fire code that by looking at fire escapes and the exterior dimensions of buildings, he could determine:
>Which emergency exits had alarms
>The size and of interior rooms
>The general layout of interior rooms based on their size
Which he used to determine which apartments would be the best to break into and how to do so the most easily. He goes on to talk about using construction firm websites to learn about the materials different targets were made out of in order to decide what tools to use, if he decided to go through walls or needed to avoid doing so.
Even without a Warcraft link, just by having one in Architecture paired with his current talents, I think Jason will be able to develop a similar ability to appraise and determine weaknesses. I don't know if this will make him a 'Sun Tzu Mastermind' as one anon put it kek, but I suppose this is to say that it will be difficult to make a wrong choice with this vote, and the benefit of a quick link in our chosen field is likely to pay high dividends already. Our sea wall project is like just a teenager's whim and it has hoes calling us The Builder(tm).
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>>6389657
I don't care about stealing because as a Lannister the only thing left to take that we couldn't already buy is
>Valyrian steel shit (see post about Brightroar)
>Power and Titles (the family tradition, can only be stolen through warfare or marriage, but not literally stolen)
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>>6389619
The good news is, if we ever want to piss Tywin off, we can laugh in his face. We may even give him a brain aneurysm if it's at his expense.
>>6389626
Dude fuckin real. I can't choose between Steel, Silver, or Valyrian steel. I imagine with knowledge of anatomy and medicine that Jason will start to think "My body is a temple" is more literal than it should be. After all, much like a wall you CAN build a body.
As much as I want to Not Ask How Big The Room Is, I can't help but feel the call of metallurgy. Imagine, new formula for high hardness steel, coupled with an understanding of material density, a new set of extra-tough chisels along with heavier hammers that take up no more space. Facilitates mining better than pickaxes in more cramped spaces. A new steel blend to use to commission a suit of armor that is stronger, but no heavier, for Sandorto help him withstand the Mountain's blows. New designs for crossbows and shields to outfit a personal guard regiment. Maybe even a type of plate armor that has quick release functionality to be worn when at sea so that if you get thrown overboard you have a chance to free yourself before you're dragged down to the depths, which would be huge in terms of protection at sea.
>>6389628
And it's entirely Tywin's fault Jason turned out the way he did. And he will never accept that. Maybe if we hit him over the head with a hammer a few times.
>>6389648
There's also this, perhaps knowing of magic and genuinely believing in it unlike most Westerosi nobility would give Jason a few special interactions on a journey like this. Maybe not enough to find Brightroar, but enough to ensure that Gerion isn't lost at sea. Maybe even actually make it to Valyria, so that Euron can suck his own dick at being one of the few to have sailed there and back, allegedly. We'd certainly learn quite a bit about magic along the trip with Gerion even if he bids us return before he makes his final, ill-fated voyage. If not things in practice then in theory from the stories told of the sorceries of the lands.
Though, damn would I not actually want to take that trip lmao shit's scary. But also the potential of learning spells which we might apply to constructions or projects in the future. The temptations whispers in my ear like the devil himself. The fucking green goblin mask is speaking to me.
>>6389657
Hey man we all have our special interests. Shine on.
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>>6389662
Brightroar is a cool ass sword, even if we're pretty mediocre, just the fact that Tywin wasn't able to secure one but we were would make it worth the risk.
And also we'd totally be the one to wield it, obviously. We're the future Lord Lannister so it's ours. Tywin can't steal that accomplishment no matter what he does.
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>>6389663
If we did manage to find Brightroar, and for somereason Tyrion marries while Tywin is still alive, we should totally cut his wedding cake with it
Cause that would cause tywin to clench his ass so hard, he'd be drawn into himself and die.
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>>6389660
I think that's fair, but it's my understanding that a lot of the most impressive and successful thieves in history were already very financially secure and in some cases quite rich to begin with, which is where you get the trope of millionaire burglars like Thomas Crown or the guys from Ocean's; it's personality disorder shit, and being financially stable is what allows the greats to actually hone the skills needed to excel at it. If I see an opportunity to write-in a lick in our travels (some merchant's tower or a lesser lord's vault), I will, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't wanna start another big discourse on it, I think it'll come up or not, but regardless of whether Jason is personally involved in any heists I think it's obvious that he should eventually make a habit of PLANNING them based on his knowledge of castles or fortifications, and sell those plans to guys like the Ironborn or just bandit gangs in order to fund his own pet projects while making our house's enemies miserable. It's an interesting and highly useful way to leverage this talent of ours.
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>>6389665
Not a bad outcome at all. Bran The Builder didn't leave his mark on history JUST with his architectural prowess... He used Magic.
And we maybe won't be doing anything as flashy as erecting cliffs of ice, but what if we find a way to reinforce walls and doors against wights or something? If the builders of Harrenhall had understood the mechanics of dragon fire, it may still be standing... This will also be useful for strengthening our ties with Leyton and Malora!
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>>6389663
>jason wields brightroar
>at some point gets his ass kicked and nearly killed and disarmed
>suddenly asha interrupt and she uses brightroar to turbomurderfuck the assailant
Hot stuff. But the voice in the back of my ehad is screaming at me that we should loan it out to Sandor in the future and let him use it to kill his brother. It is going to happen. I have been fiending over this goddamn fight forever.
But no show Tywin lets Jason have it. He would take it, as the rightful head of the house. And he would probably work extra hard to get Jaime out of the Kingsguard SOMEHOW, so that Jaime can wield Brightroar and Tywin can cream his fucking jorts over his power fantasy being fulfilled.
>>6389665
Well I am glad my indecision prevented a tie kek shit's rad either way. Besides, maybe in the future we can get even more honorary links. Who knows.
>>6389669
>jason starts putting sigils on shit everywhere
>everyone thinks he's gone mental until a wall he doodled on straight up parries a boulder hurled from a trebuchet
Royal Guard that shit dawg.
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>>6389665
I count 4 V-steel then 3 for steel, then one for Iron, one "Iron or Steel" and one "Iron, silver, or Valyrian steel".
That's like... almost a threeway tie. Might want to let it sit for a bit longer, but then again I am a bit biased because my preferred option is losing here.
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>>6389622
>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)
GIVE ME MY MAGIC
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>>6389671
>I have been fiending over this goddamn fight forever.
Cannot express my hype for getting on the Cleganebowl train.
With him and Tyrion in our burgeoning inner circle now, I have the pokemon-catching urge to wonder about who next we might bring into the fold. I don't know a lot about who is hanging around Oldtown these days. We may befriend Leyton or certain Archmaesters, but we need someone that is ultimately still low enough on the totem pole to be willing to join our retinue, yet exceptional enough to be a get.
With Asha and Sandor I would say we have muscle mostly covered. Wouldn't be bad to rope in one more killer, maybe someone with a more exotic skill set like a Dothraki or someone like Oberyn(?). Not a pressing issue.
We'll need a Maester to advise us and tutor our kids, that isn't sworn to stay at a specific keep like most of them are. Oldtown is definitely the place for that. Maybe we should see if QM introduces an OC one, or just be thinking of who is out there.
We will also want an 'intelligence officer' or spymaster, I'm sure.
I'd like to get a Warg in our group. There might be one in Oldtown, and maybe Jason will take an interest in the phenomenon as he studied magic? I think it would make for a good 'secret weapon', and a Warg that is able to enter the mind of a rat or ferret would actually be quite useful for someone doing a construction project. A Warg that can enter the mind of a shark or marlin would be quite useful to a privateer vessel and its crew. We will definitely be doing both. How do other anons feel about this? Am I insane?
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>>6389683
There are two types of ASOIAF power fantasy. Getting in on the ground floor with magic before it becomes big again, and introducing new and interesting technology to the setting. Both are cringe but because I voted for the latter, it is less cringe.
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>>6389683
>Not wanting to unlock the secrets of the Drowned and Old Valyria both
>Not wanting to create fortifications and great works with a flick of our wrist
>Not wanting to be the Wizard to complement our wife's Fighter
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alrightty, valyrion steel link achieved. Tywin will not be happy but you certainly are
Your teacher, Arch Maester Marwyn, is the one to give you your link. I'll work on a quest, as well as a special event for pesuring the link that will connect your to Malora Hightower as well, before we begin the Gerion Quest event.
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>>6389687
>before we begin the Gerion Quest event.
Is it cool if we get a chance to vote on this? Or is it something you as QM particularly want to have as part of the story?
I trust you to make it slick if you have ideas in mind and want it to be an important episode for Jason, and it makes a lot of sense for us to help! But simultaneously.... It's scary @___@ and I am wary of spending that much time on such a risky trip... Though I admit I am really curious about the mystery of it all too. So! I won't be disappointed either way. Also!
It is a LOT of work to run a quest with this volume of interest, and I want to tell you that it's been a blast so far and you're doing great.
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>>6389688
"JASON, WHATEVER THAT BITCH SQUID WOMAN DID TO YOU, IS GOING TO END NOW!! WHY IN THE GODDAMN HELL WOULD YOU NOT ONLY RAID BUT MASSACRE AN ENTIRE VILLAGE OF ONE OF OUR MINOR HOUSES?"
"Father, those lost lives will help not only nourish our people, but to save the lives of millions. The Drowned God wouldn't give such mercy."
"YOU ARE OUT OF YOU DAMN MIND, NOW THEY'RE CALLING YOU THE BLOODY LION, THE CURSED CLAW, THE MIDNIGHT ROAR, WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EVEN DO TO GAIN THOSE NAMES?"
"Father, my plans are measured by leaps, this is not just a small fixation or something passing, your frail mind wouldn't get it"
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>>6389681
Depending on whether anons get us going on Gerion's journey, who knows what sort of weirdos we might pick up. Wouldn't it be funny if Melisandrae hitched a ride back home with us? Naturally she would not STAY with us, but that would still be hilarious. As would be the daggers stared at her by Asha wondering if Jason likes red hair.
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>>6389688
>"I have been informed my feckless son has decided in all his lacking wisdom that the pursuit of learning magic is worth his time. I should have strangled him and his brother both in the crib. No, Ser Gregor, you needn't act, that was no order. This time."
Truly, we are the best son.
>>6389691
>hitting dad with the "you have to have a high IQ to understand this show"
Jesus Christ lmao
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>>6389693
Ok, nevermind, this is worth giving up the ironclad lmao
>The Euron Greyjoy whenever he finally runs into Jason "The Mad Lion" Lannister
https://youtu.be/4EJWHkIj_SA?si=dMBJ_tzoeJ9PZFhI
(they both hate each other but respect the crazy)
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>>6389701
>"I burned your fleet to ashes"
>"I fucked your niece."
Damn.
Aw fuck I just had an awful idea pop into my head, what if Euron met Gerion along the way and killed him and his remaining crew before they could reach Valyria? Wouldn't that be a ballbuster.Obviously he didn't, probably, but in /qst/ canon it's totally valid possibility. Dude.
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Also I have surfed the wiki enough to find a link on Tygett's page for 'coming of age tour', but clicking it gives me no results? The premise, however, renews my fervor for a spot of sabbatical globetrotting... I suppose we can be a late bloomer with that tradition since we will probably be about 19 or so when we are heading out with Gerion, I think? And even older whenifwe return.
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>>6389726
It'll be fine, Gerion will task us with making sure the half of the expedition that are made up of pussies who can't cut it actually go back to Lannisport instead of fucking off elsewhere in the world. We'll be fine. Probably.
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>>6389622
>Valerian Steel: Higher Mysteries, magic, unknown sciences (Having a ring in this means you have studied enough to be able to begin your journey in the subject, but the higher mysteries are never truley mastered)
Due to the rarity of it. We can always learn other stuff at our own time but not this.
I like warcraft, but that's something we can learn through osmosis
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Your time amongst the Hightower will be something you would treasure for the rest of your life, in no small part because it was time spent beyond the sight of your father. After your wedding night, after Asha and you shared each other in her bed, you admit that she and you got lost beneath the sheets for a few days. It took your father half the week to finally find you after you disappeared from the wedding feast, and the rest of the week to bring you back home when Asha and you decided to sail out of the dock to continue your fun. The story of “The Kraken’s Pleasure Cog” being escorted by the Lannisport fleet back home spread rapidly, a tale of youthful abandon that had once seemed impossible for the Lord Jason Lannister the people had come to know. In truth, you had enjoyed the freedom, the ability to breath and focus only on things immediately in your reach. The fact that your now Lady wife had both the natural lack of inhibition many Ironborn had combining with her appreciation for all you had done to give her joy in your wedding day, the ship being part of it but letting her take you to bed instead of taking her, only made her wish to fuel that freedom.
Alas, the world dragged you back to reality, though now with a far more solid marriage than you had ever expected to possess.
(+5 Disposition to Asha, 15/20)
Your father had attempted to drill into you shame for what you had done, attempted to frame the entire debacle as proof of your failure as a Lannister child. Instead, talking about it only made your mind linger on the memory, and you ended up pushing your father casting you aside for the day so he could maintain control of both himself and the dynamic between you and him.
That Dynamic of course ended when you and Asha set sail down the coast towards Oldtown, Tyrion having helped find loyal men to crew the ship, and your father ensuring those men were not so loyal as to allow Asha to sail off into the sea never to return. Sandor Clegane had also been forced to come with, made to huddle in the ship as sea sickness made him likely to try and kill anyone who got too close.
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You meanwhile took to the sea rather fine, though it did take you a few days to acclimate and get over the initial sickness, you recovered better than Sandor and sooner than Asha had expected.
Asha came alive on the sea, like a bird taking flight she flew across her ship, giving commands that squeezed all the potential from the Cog, as if she sought to have the crew make it a longship by sheer will. It had taken her a mere day to whip the crew into proper shape, at first doubting the sailing skill of a woman, only for her to prove to them that she did not need them to sail the ship, she only needed them to sail it fast and well.
You watched her dance across the rigging, while you read your books, made your models, and enjoyed the sight of the endless blue sea. You knew next to nothing about the sea, and while you did try to learn sailing from your wife, she found you annoying asking her questions and being in her way so she brought furniture to the deck and told you to play with your blocks. You did not protest, and did just that, using a map of Oldtown you managed to find to begin working on a model of the venerable city. You were sure you would need to change things about the model once you had a proper vantage point to look at the city, but it was something to pass the time and stay out of Asha’s way.
Your arrival was welcomed by the Hightowers, as well as an Arch Maester of the Citadel, Marwyn, who seemed to be a close family friend and confidant to the Hightowers. His Valyrian Steel Mask was a marvel, the reveal that he studied the higher mysteries or magics igniting a child like wonder in you that Asha did not share.
You met Ser Baelon Hightower, the man happy to take you on as a squire and determined to get you knight as soon as possible. Though he did not hand it out to you, his training running concurrent to your studies and the time you dedicated to your Lady Wife.
Tyrion also bloomed within Oldtown, him and Tysha able to live in relative peace and enjoy each others company. You and Asha made sure to keep an eye on his, knowing that his heart could batter aside all his wit at a moments notice if allowed. But here, he could love, he could read, and he could smile. He drank less and less, soon forgetting all together the delight of wine and ale. He never betrayed Tysha’s trust, the infamous dwarf of Lannisport found to be a perfectly behaved and respectable young man. Though perhaps it was Sandor whose presence made sure Tyrion never allowed himself to step out of line, who could say.
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>>6389780
Sandor Clegane was an impassive, glowering monolith of power that had become the focus of the younger Hightower Boys, who flocked to him once he managed to best Baelon Hightower in a spar, and did so with greater honor than was expected. Sandor tried many a time to scare them off, or avoid them, but the young squires found him all the same. Eventually you found him teaching them to fight, and pitied whatever man would face them in the future expecting to fight like knights in the stories.
Besides Baelon however, the Hightower that found your company the most was Malora. She was mysterious, vague, and seemed to always know where to be and what to say. It had almost become an issue with Asha, whose jealousy was quickly vanished when she kidnapped you one night, brought you to her ship tied up, and replicated your wedding night. After that, she had to fear of the older woman, despite you having told her there never had been anything to suspect.
After the first year, you had managed to earn your first Link in construction and architecture, expanding your knowledge and ideas greatly. You had initially intended to persue Warcraft or the physical sciences, but Malora had saw fit to slip a tome acquired for a hedge wizard in the mountainous regions of the far north. There, you found yourself getting lost in the ancient tales and ideas, of magics and spells.
Asha, Sandor, Baelon, and even Tyrion made to tease or jab at your choice to persue a Valyrian steel link, but you did it all the same. You studied the ancient text pertaining to Xi Yi, of Old Valyria, of the first men and their battle with the children then the invading Andals. You read tales of dragons, of the old Valyrian blood that gave the dynasty the ability to commune and command the greatest beasts to ever grace the earth.
However, the most important lesson you came to discover was one surrounding the matters of Blood, Kings, and Glass Candles.
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>>6389781
You had spent the last ten day trying to light a glass candle loaned to you by Marwyn, and had made no progress. You had tried appealing to gods, enchanting the glass, speaking in ancient tongues, even spill your own blood upon it, yet the candle did not light. Eventually, you returned in defeat, but Marwyn and Malora turned defeat into a lesson.
“What is blood Jason?” Marwyn asked, examining and cleaning the glass candle you had returned to him.
“Well, it’s what gives us life, without it we cease. I could be more specific but I have not been pursuing a silver link.”
Marwyn chuckled “A blunt answer, and only half of one. Tell me, what is a drop of blood worth to you?”
“…not much?”
“Nothing at all. Now, what is all of your blood worth to me?”
“I uh-“
“Nothing, because you would be dead and I would be bereft of a clever student.”
“Oh uh, okay. But what about how much I value all of my blood?”
“If you have no blood left, you cannot value anything can you? Same result.” Marwyn said, his words leading to ask.
“Then blood has no worth, why use it in ritual?”
“To answer that, you must answer another question. What makes a king a king?”
You paused, considering the question. It seemed to have no connection with anything, but Marwyn had a habit of tying things together. “The support of the nobility?”
“Ah, the Mad King had no such support, rather he had their tolerance. Yet he was still a king. Why?”
“…because he had the lawful claim?”
“King Robert had a lawful claim, once he made it so. Daemon Blackfyre had a lawful claim, yet he did not become king.”
You sat in silence, pondering for a time.
Malora spoke up “You are thinking of things that are material, or too immaterial. A claim is wind, support is mundane. Consider this. If we took the Blood of Robert Baratheon, Daemon Blackfyre, Aerys Targaryen, and a Dothraki Khal whose Khalasar spans the horizon, this Candle would ignite I suspect. Why?”
You thought about the examples, the names and their histories, and what might bind them together. Eventually though, you shook your head “I do not know…”
Marwyn smiled and nodded “Good answer, it means you will seek greater answers yet. Here, you’ve earned this.” He said, casually tossing you a chain link made of Valyrian steel.
“Bu-wuh, but I failed to light the candle?”
“Of course you did, what did you expect to master magic in a single year? Ha! Do not let that Lion’s pride blind you, the link is not like others. For you have begun your journey to study the Higher mysteries, and one day you will be called master, be declared wise and well learned. And you will know that you know nothing Jason Lannister.”
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>>6389782
After that, you found your two years complete. You had been knighted by Baelon once you aided quelling a riot started by a drunken brawl, saving a child and mother in the process. And after thought but a worthy Knighthood all the same.
You had begun to contemplate trying to spend another year in OldTown, when you got a Letter from your uncle Gerion.
It said he would be leaving for Old Valyria and he wished to see his nephews before sailing away, the unspoken implication he may never return in the air.
>Wish your Uncle well, and return to Lannisport to begin applying your knowledge and take more duties on running the Westerlands. (Canon will progress as normal and we will skip a ahead, but you will have a chance to do things like travel the 7 kingdoms, fight in tourney’s, or do projects.)
>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.
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>>6389783
>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.
We will not die, but probably be scarred or see some shit. Guaranteed not dying means fuck it we ball.
The legend of the Sealion starts here!
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>>6389783
>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back.
We'll learn more about the Eldritch and Weird, both magically and architecturally, by following Gerion, plus it'll piss off Tywin real bad.Here's hoping we make it back before Bobby B kicks the bucket and shit gets Wacky. Also,I'll also be very disappointed if we don't come back with a squisher head or three.
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>>6389783
>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.
Funnily enough this would probably make things closer to canon, depending on when we get back. Tywin will almost certainly give us up for dead. Tyrion might get the brunt of it, but that'd compensate for the drumming that we helped him avoid.
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I'm just gonna say this, if we go there, the only way we're not getting our ass thrown into home arrest for the rest of his life by Tywin is if we recover Brightroar.
Acquiring a valyrian steel sword is the one thing Tywin himself was entirely unable to do. No matter how much he tried to bribe poor houses, they wouldn't sell it.
So going back to Old Valyria, recovering the ancestral sword of the Lannisters, and returning, might be enough of a power move that Tywin *might* be able to forgive us.
Or maybe he'll just continue his grumpy-ass face as he always does.
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>>6389783
>Wish your Uncle well, and return to Lannisport to begin applying your knowledge and take more duties on running the Westerlands. (Canon will progress as normal and we will skip a ahead, but you will have a chance to do things like travel the 7 kingdoms, fight in tourney’s, or do projects.)
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I want to go on the adventure, but I can't believably imagine a situation where Jason would do it.
Not because he wouldn't want to.
It's because Asha is probably pregnant.
Jason does not seem like the type of man who would risk his unborn child suffering a miscarriage, or worse, receiving some dark magic curse while still in the womb.
Maybe if Asha would stay behind? But she'd hate us for that and never agree to it...
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>>6389817
Tbh, if Asha and Jason didn't had a baby after the spend like what, two weeks at the sea fucking? And no news or something in those two years at the Citadel, I doubt they're having one now.
It's not the lack of trying, just so happened that Asha didn't get pregnant.
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>>6389783
>>Wish your Uncle well, and return to Lannisport to begin applying your knowledge and take more duties on running the Westerlands. (Canon will progress as normal and we will skip a ahead, but you will have a chance to do things like travel the 7 kingdoms, fight in tourney’s, or do projects.)
We're the heir and this is the kind of trip that isn't just risky, it's mortally dangerous - no one returns from Valyrian. Even if we know from QM oog we will make it, Jason and Asha probably wouldn't expect to... We're on the verge of having kids, we are the age where we need to meet our bannermen and forge alliances.
I love the idea of making this expedition but the timing is just bad imo, and once Gerion disappears I think it'd be narratively compelling for the now-magically-educated Jason to blame himself, since he would've been a help, and eventually make his own expedition later in the story when he is older, and has a strong crew with him, not just to find Brightroar but to find Gerion, or at least his remains.
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>>6389824
While all true, I would like a prize to return.
Not to mention, some small part of me hopes that after seeing all the monstrous shit in Valeria, that there is nothing left ot fear in mere greenlander politics.
I don't want to be Euron, the mad Sorcerer who would be a God. But to have seen the dark and unknowable things and found our Father's stare a trifling thing in comparison is a lure for me.
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>>6389827
I won't be mad if we go, either. If we come back AT ALL, let alone with anything to show for it whatsoever, we'll have proved not just to Tywin but to all of Westeros that we are Built Different, and that we are capable in a way others are not.
Not only would Tywin's glares lose so much of their potency, but he also would lose the ability to patronize so absolutely, and would begrudgingly have to treat us as more of a peer.
That means there is no arguing if/when we decide to go on a world tour. We can handle it, it's good for the house to show off his worthy heir, and? People of exceptional talent across the far kingdoms we travel will come to us and seek to join our retinue, knowing full well they are hitching themselves to a rising star.
Depending on just how long the voyage takes of us, and how long it takes to return, that kind of trip may be complicated by certain wars. That's not the worst thing that could happen though.
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>>6389783
>Wish your Uncle well, and return to Lannisport to begin applying your knowledge and take more duties on running the Westerlands. (Canon will progress as normal and we will skip a ahead, but you will have a chance to do things like travel the 7 kingdoms, fight in tourney’s, or do projects.)
Any occultist knows the first rule of magic. Dont fucking look for it
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>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.
I would prefer to study medicine and stay in westeros but since we already took magic might as well make a use of it.
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>>6389783
>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.
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Honestly I find the lack of heirs deeply concerning. We had had years of trying and failing. Plus we do have Tyrion and Tysha to care for them anon. So it's the fact that we don't have any at all that is the real problem.
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>>6389783
>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.
We ball
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>>6389835
>That means there is no arguing if/when we decide to go on a world tour. We can handle it
It'll probably take a handful of years on this journey. If we don't get lost along the way somehow. We'd likely return to a kingdom with growing divides and tensions. If the trip goes very, very poorly we might even be delayed so much that Bobby gets BOAR'D and we have to deal with that shitstorm. It's probably safer to assume if we do go with Gerion that we won't get chances for a lot of other things. With no guarantee that Jason will actually have anything to show for it, either.
I'm especially worried that if we go with Gerion, Tywin is going to learn of Tysha and he'll ruin Tyrion's shit.
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>>6389877
Right, I agree with all of this except the Tysha thing, since it seems we would bring Tyrion and her with us and frankly I imagine they'd risk the horrors of Valyria over the scrutiny of Tywin (in fact, they'd be wise to do so). But I definitely don't want to spend this crucial stage of Jason's development on a long journey to the East, that's why I am voting to hold back.
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>>6389877
That's actually a really good argument to not go into this trip. Disappearing without any notice for years, maybe to not even get halfway through our destination before we head back would be a waste of time.
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>>6389883
I don't know if Tyrion would want to go on this trip. Especially don't know if Tysha wants to. "Hey you wanna go on an adventure to the islands with a reputation for not coming back from?". Asha is the type, naturally. Tyrion might be able to be convinced but I think Tysha would be kind of put off by it, and if she didn't go, Tyrion wouldn't go.
In my mind what seems most likely is Jason and Asha run off, Tyrion and Tysha stays, and likely Sandor goes back with Tyrion and Tysha because if he vanished with Jason and Asha and somehow survived he'd get fucked by Tywin and he knows it. So he'd use the lovebirds as an excuse to not go, to keep them safe.
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>>6389906
Yeah, losing Sandor just as we got him, before having a chance to even really interact would be an ENORMOUS L.
If Tyrion stays, and Tywin begins to doubt our return no less, I think it's inevitable Tysha gets found out and probably ends up meeting her canon fate, maybe even worse since their romance will have been hidden for years. Also if Asha goes and Tysha doesn't, as her maid, she will lose access to Tyrion anyways.
But it seems anons want to play Indiana Jones.
We could very well come back to Sandor locked in with Joffrey, Tyrion heartbroken, Tysha gone, Robert dead, and the War of Five Kings well into its first year. Meanwhile we'd be of the adult age to be expected to make moves as the heir, but with no connections, no cadre, and having to play catch up on politics. Asha, likewise, will not have a crew or fleet, and will miss out on years of tutelage from great fighters she would have received otherwise. What amount of magical relics would make up for that at such a dramatic juncture?
Even if we did come back with Brightroar in hand... It doesn't seem worth it to me. It's an awesome legendary sword, sure, but it's also ultimately a status symbol. It can only kill one person at a time, like any other sword, and it can only do so in the hands of someone skilled... Which we aren't.
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>>6389885
One saving grace is that if we aren't the only ones who survive, then we'll have some complete badasses who have gone to hell and back with us.
There aren't many people who could be more loyal or worthy than that for our retinue.
Just need to make sure we grabbed some good picks before going.
If Malora is interested in magic, then I bet she'd be happy to send some Hightower Knights if it meant we'd share any scrolls or tomes we find out there. It also might earn us some political favor.
OH, speaking of which; question for the QM.
How successful was Jason at coming up with ideas on how to defend Oldtown from Ironborn? How did Asha react?
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>>6389918
I think the real value in this trip is learning about the higher mysteries and maybe picking up some spells. Magic is less taboo outside of Westeros, and the ruins of Valyria are reputed to not only be awash with treasures but also lost magics. The true prize of this journey then would not be finding Brightroar but instead learning about "real" magic instead of just magic theory like we currently know. There are still some spells and sorceries that work even with magic being muted like it is, and other spells begin to work again or have more noticeable effects when magic seeps back into the world. I figure most likely Jason might pick up some rumors of pyromancy. Maybe some soothsaying. But there are plenty of weird magics and alleged maegi in those far off lands even before setting sail for Valyria itself.
>>6389919
We better bring back some strange critters and good books to the Hightowers. This would never be possible if not for their generous offers. It would be rude not to repay that kindness in turn.
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>>6389921
Have you voted yet in favor or against the trip?
I think whatever spells we may learn would need to be VERY impressive and practical in order to justify the sacrifice of multiple years off of the 'playing field' at this extremely important time in our life.
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>>6389924
Hey you never know. If we learn how to make fuckass shadow babies we could potentially grief the entire war of five kings by sacrificing people to gank the claimants. Or learn part of the process for making Valyrian steel. Not the whole process, obviously, because that would be ridiculous. But maybe some of the parts we could actually do and apply that to other stuff. And learning how to make and control fire could be instrumental in not getting ultrafucked by the Others if we ever have to deal with them. And in general protection charms of various substance would be nice. Could slap those onto sworn knights and aligned fighters.
There's a lot of something with no guarantees. Gerion's voyage is essentially the gambler's paradise.
I also have not voted, I'm torn between going and not going. Because I do want to see the other kingdoms and learn of their secrets. But at the same time, this would be our single best chance of learning magics since we likely will not have the time to go gallivanting off to the easterly lands once the war of five kings kicks off and winter comes a knockin. And we'd have to rely on sending someone out to just pick up books or some shit I guess. Which is less than ideal most of the time. Maybe bring back some alleged maegi from those lands. Which is almost always some fucko scammer.
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>>6389926
>But at the same time, this would be our single best chance of learning magics
I still like the idea of us attempting a recovery expedition later on, but also I am thinking about learning magic during the coming wars from either Wildlings that flee the North or contemporaries of Euron when we finally have to face him. I appreciate your perspective though. I think that personally, as tempted as I am by what we might win, I am too put off by what I am basically certain we will lose by going.
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>>6389929
Oh absolutely. I'm not a gambling man by nature. Shit in one hand, promise in the other as the saying goes. There is real, tangible, guaranteed value in staying in Westeros. Even if we fuck up everything and make no alliances, the simple act of traveling the kingdoms would grant us experience and knowledge we could make use of. Like AT WORST we still gain from not joining Gerion. Whereas AT WORST for joining Gerion we gain nothing but rumors, dying men, and disappointment.
The potential gains are enormous for going, potentially greater than staying. However the potential losses are equally as great, with the only caveat being that Asha and Jason won't die. That doesn't mean they won't be stranded away from home and have to make their way back on their own. Which could be its own adventure. Likely getting caught up with Danaerys' bullshit along the way. Or skimming next to it and hoping not to get burned.
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I'm counting six join and that being the majority, unless anyone sees otherwise I'll take that vote.
Tyrion and Tysha would indeed not be going, however i do like the idea of Tysha and Tyrion partially going and setting up like, a manse or temporary home in essos as a return point for the expedition, a confirmed place to come back to after the expedition before heading back to westeros.
Anything you'd like me to set up before Jason heads off?
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>>6389943
Would Sandor be coming along? It'd help for Asha to have SOMEONE solidly superior to continue to train with, I really don't want her tagging along to mean that she helps us sail and fight, but doesn't get to improve her skills.
I don't think there's really anything else to 'set up' except perhaps to ask Leyton and the Citadel for a Maester to take with us, whether in exchange for gold or access to some of the treasure? We need a wise man and Oldtown is the best place to get one, and this is the best time to do so.
If we can start this trip with Sandor and a solid Maester in our crew, it won't feel like as much of a waste if we end up burning through all the time we couldshouldspend cultivating connections or power.
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>>6389931
Asha and Jason wont die, but they could remain affected in some capacity. Nightmares, PTSD, memories lost, insanity.... even something not affecting the mind but the body like gruesome wounds, disease, mutation, damage to some organs....
High chance little to no one will survive beside us. The majority of expeditions to Valyria are poorly planned and do not understand the many dangers in that land, be mundane and beyond nature. Really, the ones that gain the most remain the Volantene merchants selling supplies and other goods, before an expedition goes to die. Truth be told, with the world of ASOIAF being medieval is impossible to properly plan a far away expedition especially to mystery hell land.
>>6389943
A scene of an attempted preparation for the travel between Jason, Asha, Tyrion, Marwyn and Malora maybe ? I suppose Jason could start thinking on how moving through ruins can be done without dying. 1 problem out of the thousands in Valyria.
I am not sure how Tysha could contribute for this prep. I guess Sandor if he is there will just shake his head.
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>>6389918
That is absolute worst case scenario and assuming the QM decides to assrape us with no lube. Which to be fair would fit the setting. We would need to take Tyrion and Tysha; however we would NOT take them into Valyria with us. Instead leaving them in a city-state to await our return likely the one where half the crew abandons our uncle. Leaving Tyrion behind would guarantee Tywin finding out and blaming him for losing his heir and finding out about Tysha. It would make the canon event look like a cakewalk.
>>6389931
To be honest, I am suspicious as fuck as to what Asha has been up to for the past couple of years. 'monitored' my ass when she had a crew to put the fear of the Drowned God for over 2 years into when she scared the living shit out veteran reavers much less Greenlander sailors. Sandor would have been too busy babysitting us. It wouldn't have been hard for her at all to rendezvous with her reaver ships and crews with her own ship discreetly. The Hightowers outright granted her port access on our behalf and she had easy access to both Dorne AND Essos the whole time.
Also I find it adorable and hilarious how she dealt with Jason's autism and interference. She simply set up some furniture, books, and building blocks to keep him busy and out of the way. LMAO. She understood exactly how to handle him perfectly. So Jason is completely clueless about her activities. Except for the time she grew suspicious about Malora and that was it.
Like fuck I wouldn't put it past her at all to secretly look into Daenyrs. Definitely something she would do as the Kraken Queen.
>>6389943
Can we at least knock up Asha and leave the kids with Tyrion and Tysha before the escapade? It doesn't make any sense to NOT leave an heir behind as insurance. Frankly I don't see Jason or Asha trusting anyone else with their children than Tyrion and Tysha, especially on such a risky adventure. I do agree with leaving Tysha and Tyrion with a temporary manse in Essos as a return point because leaving them behind completely is suicide.
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>>6389953
>absolute worst case scenario
No. The worst case would be all of that but also we get lost and so don't show back up until the War is even farther in, Euron has seized the Iron Islands, Theon is castrated, and Tywin is dead. And we run into Danny and her horde during our voyage. Or Euron.
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>>6389783
>Join your uncle, following him on Asha’s Cog without his permission or your father’s knowledge, revealing yourself when it was too late to turn back. (You will begin a different path. Asha and Jason will not die on this path, that would be narrativly unsatisfying. However the challenge will be great, and the rewards greater to meet it. Your study of the Highmysteries also serve you well.
Brightroar WILL be returned to Casterly Rock along with whatever Valyrian loot we can get our hands on. I think we have six years until Jon Arryn dies, hopefully we're back by then.
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>>6389943
>Anything you'd like me to set up before Jason heads off?
I can't think of anything. Unless Sandor is staying behind. If he's staying behind it might be nice to get him a pet dog or a new dagger just as a thanks for being a bro. Since we probably won't be seeing him for a while.
>>6389948
Thankfully it seems that regardless of when exactly the thread is moving there seems to be competent anons hanging around to throw ideas out and have plans.
>>6389952
Yeah exactly. Unforeseen circumstances and long term complications. We'll just have to be careful and prudent. If the going gets truly dire, there is wisdom in backing down. Shame be damned, the ones who get to feel it are alive.
>>6389953
>tfw we sail out to join gerion and asha manages to conjure up a small fleet to sail to valyria with us
Would be a nice surprise. Another nice surprise is coming back from the trip and having a warfleet waiting to make sure no one fucks with us while we're vulnerable. Because I am half-convinced someone is gonna try to dick us over on the final leg.
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>>6389951
>>6389953
>Perhaps a bastard with Malora then?
>Can we at least knock up Asha and leave the kids with Tyrion and Tysha before the escapade?
I'm not down with either of these and think they should be their own votes rather than things individual anons can just ask to have 'set up'. Leaving our heir in Essos to be protected by Tyrion feels insanely risky? I feel like Cersei would send assassins, assuming none of our more overt enemies do. Spymasters will be able to find them, regardless, Varys had a play by play of Danny's campaign for years from across the Narrow Sea.
If anons didn't want us to delay parenthood and go on a years long perilous journey without an heir, why vote to go on the journey?
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>>6389963
>there is wisdom in backing down.
If we are gonna commit to this trip, we really had better not bounce when it gets scary, we'll be alive but we'll have made an enormous sacrifice...
>Another nice surprise is coming back from the trip and having a warfleet waiting
Anon who would fund that or prepare it? If anything, without Asha around, it's likely the Lannister navy is neglected and there is nothing to build unity between it and the Iron Fleet. Tywin is going to assume we are dead after the first year. We won't be coming back to a fleet of warships; if we wanted those, we should have stayed in Westeros to build them. We chose Magic, just how it is.
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>>6389951
At this point, I am desperate enough for a bastard than no child at all, because this is bullshit. How the fuck am I supposed to play the game of thrones with no fucking pieces to play? Malora, it is then because sex magic is a thing.
>>6389948
I want a big family and touring Westeros desperately. If expedition fucks that, I'm gonna be mad. I don't mind sacrificing a few years for an expedition, but fuck that otherwise. Ruins the whole point of such a quest premise.
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>>6389943
Suicidally curious maesters, knights, and Sandor. Also gold. LOTS of gold. We are Lannisters after all.
>>6389956
Previous example is already GG much less that one. If we lose that much I'm done because fuck that. I don't mind losing but not so unfairly hard.
>>6389963
I don't think she can conjure up a small fleet but a couple of ships full of suicidally loyal reavers? Entirely plausible. Especially a small fleet on the way back that would be keeping an eye on Tyrion and pirating who would provide escort on returning who weren't suicidal but still loyal.
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>>6389968
>If we lose that much
Well, we will have presimably gained a very sharp sword that can kill White Walkers and the ability to cast fireballs and maybe something like a Chimera egg. It's not loss so much as price.
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>>6389967
>Anon who would fund that or prepare it?
Ironborn loyal to Asha? Just hanging around between the continents fucking around and raiding. She is surprisingly good at making men very loyal. Perhaps "warfleet" was the wrong word to use. I apologize. But this is supposing she has been "doing things" in the two years we've been hitting the library.
>>6389968
I'm going to wager that by the time we return Asha will either be pregnant, or we'll have a kid with her. Which the idea of a newborn on a ship is probably an awful idea to anyone that isn't Ironborn. Just so that it wouldn't impact the journey as much if it was on the way back. The wager I am making is twelve good boi points, enough for a single plate of chicken nuggies or a box of LEGOs worth no more than $9.99.
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>>6389943
Here what I think we could use before going inside Valyria
- A preparation talk between Jason, Asha, Tyrion, Marwyn and Malora. This talk might actually save Jason and Asha ass in this expedition.
- Recruit anyone we can fron Old Town be Maesters or Knights
- Buy a lot of durable food
- Recruit some Sellswords in Volantis
- Pray to the Seven in the Starry Sept
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>>6389973
>I'm going to wager that by the time we return Asha will either be pregnant, or we'll have a kid with her.
Bro, women die in childbirth in ASOIAF constantly, even when surrounded by nursemaids and medicine Maesters in luxurious palaces.
On a ship? I don't think it is even possible for the kinds of rations we'd take on a sea voyage to be nourishing enough to not result in a miscarriage dude, hard tack, fish, salt pork, and rum isn't gonna cut it. Even looking past those logistics, we can't get her pregnant when we need her to sail and fight. Even past that, having a child in the ruins of Valyria just seems like it could end up with the poor fucker cursed out of the womb...
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>>6389975
Oh this reminds me, we should pick up some cold iron knives or hatchets or what have you. Allegedly able to kill demons.
Jason "Demonslayer" Lannister? Asha "Doomseeker" Lannister? They'll call us fools. If they call us at all.
>>6389976
I said on the way back man damn kek The easiest part of the journey, where we will regularly be stopping in ports and getting fresh supplies and hopefully not needing to get into fights.
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>>6389964
Tyrion is a genius who knows how to play the Game and is likely the only one who suspects what Asha is up to. Cersei is a stupid bitch occupied busy in King's Landing, who no doubt believes we are gonna die. Not to mention Asha won't be leaving her children without some protection behind either with some loyal reavers. Who will take turns pirating and standing guard.
Asha is extremely good at instilling loyalty in her men and faction to the point of successfully ignoring a kingsmoot results and following a woman no less. Just ignore how terrorifying she is...
Varys is more interested in covering for the Targs as is the Martells. Going after Jason is...well honestly Tywin and the Mountain is a far bigger target. Especially with Jason seemingly taking himself out of the Game entirely. Of course that is blatantly ignoring whatever the fuck Asha is plotting because she IS plotting something.
>>6389970
As long as we stay as far away from the Blood Magic as possible. That will go the longest way to protecting us from the worst of the magical hazards of Valyria.
>>6389973
Return? No. That would be terrible. On the way? Maybe.
>>6389976
Asha is far tougher and stronger while being in AMAZING shape for a woman. Impeccable even. That goes a VERY long way for childbirth. She isn't a soft lady, so childbirth isn't nearly as dangerous for her as it would be for other women or ladies. Being tough and strong bitch makes childbirthing far easier and much more survivable. Arguably, only Brienne, that battleaxe and absolute shit brickhouse of a woman, would have an easier time.
Of course that won't save her from a curse so...yeah please no.
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>>6389963
Being careful and prudent can help but if everyone else is losing it, or if our Uncle wants to push ....
>there is wisdom
Ain't gonna happen if anons want to go in, they will not back down. Maybe they can be convinced to do it smartly at least, especially when we go past the jagged Valyrian coastline filled by sharks and baby krakens. And the boiling water.
>>6389979
Not a bad idea.
There is a good chance demons walk inside. And other horrors made from the corpses of the divinely and blood cursed dead and the hundreds of fallen dragons. Though I wonder how LannisterQM plans to make the Valyria Expedition. Its not a feast event. Its not a short voyage. Its not easy. Maybe he will divide it in multiple posts and ask for rolls eachtime. Put a timer of dead people and lowering supplies ?
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>>6389983
>that is blatantly ignoring whatever the fuck Asha is plotting because she IS plotting something.
Can you provide any examples from the QM's post that indicate this? I think Asha is a badass but she also was just growing from 16-18, and I didn't see anything in any of the quest updates here that suggest to me she is up to anything.
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>>6389975
To add onto this list.
The Valyrian Gods who punished the Valyrians for their transgressions and arrogance. We want to know what we can about them and make some kind of offering.
>>6389979
Don't forget Dragonglass aka obsidian.
Its not like we are gonna have access to dragonsteel. Dragonglass is the next best thing. There are monsters and demons in Valyria that can FUCK UP dragons. Also why we should avoid the main island itself and places with the highest concentrations of blood magic in general. Those places are the worst death traps. Like the mines or slave pits...
>>6389986
The biggest problem is its largely from Jason's perspective who frankly doesn't have the stats/skills to notice her slip ups unless she gets angry/upset enough to let something slip. If we had a choice/vote. We would either have to ask Tyrion as he would be the one who had the best idea of what it was she was plotting or hope our relationship is high enough with her to get her to open up directly.
In terms of her warfare, we have only 3 slips. For ambition, we only have canon because she still hasn't told Jason. She has only let slip once that she has men and ships when Cersei enraged her enough that she bragged about being a Reaver Captain(this also impressed Robert which is why he gave her those axes as a wedding gift and they competed against each other). In terms of plotting she hasn't let anything slip that Jason has noticed. She has only let 1 thing slip in terms of being intimidated by Jason which was his defense works mastery, that countered Ironborn raiding alarmed her the night she failed miserably to seduce him.
Most recent event is the complete absence of slips and her, completely distracting Jason from noticing anything.
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>>6389991
Right, look, no offense man but I think you're just getting carried away with this Asha stuff. Her mentioning she was a captain with a crew prior to being kidnapped by Tywin is just a fact, and I don't think reflects any ongoing scheme. Her not featuring prominently in an update about Jason's time studying at the Citadel doesn't necessarily imply she was working up a scheme or amassing a private force, either. Her disposition with us is +15, so I have every reason to believe she would trust us and even desire our input on some plot, if she even had the ability to get one rolling. Until I see the QM actually allude to something like that, I'm not gonna start connecting these other dots. Maybe you are onto something I don't see, but I'm definitely not feeling convinced at the moment. Based on prior updates, if she suddenly had a flotilla together it would read to me as very flagrant QM fiat, honestly.
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Since i'm seeing a lot of concern about children, I will reveal that i plan to have the war of five kings and the events of the main line books be padded out a bit, extended and such so things are not happening at such a fucking huge ass pace.
In addition
>Child vote now? (Child will be concieved in Old town, and left with Tysha and Tyrion in essoes.)
>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)
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I'm putting big money on the idea that we're gonna get fucked over by the sea, blown off course, and spend a short vacation on the Summer Isles, somehow. Final answer, locking in.
>>6389996
>>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)
I dunno, I'd feel bad about dumping a kid onto Tysha and Tyrion before they had their own. Kinda feels like rubbing it in since they are probably waiting for "the right time" for theirs.
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>>6389996
>>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)
Probably will have some mild latent magic due to being conceived in the area of old Valyria with two important bloodlines mixing.
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>>6389996
Woouughggg...
I'm not blaming you QM, it's largely just the timeline of the setting and anon votes, but I kinda hate both options a little. It feels like:
>Have a kid(s) and then immediately leave them behind with your brother, who becomes the heir of an extremely hated great house in your absence, and who is himself hated to the point of being targeted for death by the two people currently controlling the house the most. Plus your kid(s) first 3-10 years (if we are unlucky) are without either of their parents.
I find it impossible to believe anyone would knowingly have a child/children and abandon them as infants to go to the most dangerous place on the planet. Even if I did believe Jason could do that and Asha wouldn't have homicidal postpartum, I don't want our offspring to rightfully resent us for abandoning them in a foreign land...
>Wait until this voyage is over to sire an heir, meaning our kids might be significantly younger than those of our contemporaries in the other noble houses, and lots of eligible bachelors/bachelorettes may already be taken by the time they are of marrying age.
Not as bad, possibly, but still far from ideal imo and maybe very complicating for us during big ass wars.
Anyhow, I suppose I will opt for a late blooming.
>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)
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>>6389996
>Child vote now? (Child will be concieved in Old town, and left with Tysha and Tyrion in essoes.)
This seems like the safe bet.
Let's say the expedition takes... 5 years? Jason's kid will be a baby/toddler for most of that. A child's formative years are from 6 to 16, so as long as there's someone feeding the kid and changing the diapers, they'll be fine. The need for actual parenting would occur once we return.
It's only if the expedition takes a disastrously long time / we get lost for an extra 5 years that we suddenly have a huge problem.
It would also be the "responsible" thing to do since Jason doesn't know that he'll survive, and thus would leave the Lannister family without an heir if he dies.
Honestly, the most irresponsible thing is that (in-character) he's risking his child becoming an orphan if he dies, who would then be left in Tywin's care. Hopefully Tyrion would be able to look after them.
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>>6390006
I think if Tywin finds out that Jason has a child and left that child with Tyrion in order to go on a suicide mission, he would make the exceptionally deft play of:
1) Hiring mercenaries or pirates in the area through a couple of intermediaries, which Essos is full of
2) Have the mercs kill Tyrion and take the child/children hostage and hold them for ransom
3) Pay the ransom to secure the kids, with the pirates not knowing that Tywin was the one who paid them in the first place
And voila, he has trimmed the fuck out of the family tree and fixed everything. If Jaime forfeits his cloak he becomes heir, and if not, Jason's son is an opportunity to mold a new, superior heir, with Tyrion finally dead and gone and not part of the equation, murdered in a faraway land with no one giving a damn.
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>>6389996
I was wondering if you can answer : You are going very fast for this quest, barely at the first thread Lannister QM. Excellent work. How many threads are you planning to do though ? Not that its a problem.
I also hope the Valyria Expedition last a good amount. ts perfect for be something dramatic and dangerous, which fits with ASOIAF.
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>>6390020
Way, way, way easier for him to nab and raise if we aren't around for years, dude, in fact he would reasonably be obligated to try. If he does our child will probably - and justifiably imo - like Tywin more than us.
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>>6390029
Anon, I talked about having a kid with US. Not leaving it with Tyrion. Just straight up taking our baby with us.
>inb4 ship food
That's a misconception, people only ate that "hardtack salted pork" diet when they were on some sort of transatlantic voyage. Medieval ships just straight up can't go that far, they need to keep to the coast, where you can get actual food and water.
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>>6390023
Jason and Asha really don't sound like the usual kind of noble of their respective cultures (westernlander/ironborn).
>>6389943
To add on what was said about the Valyria Expedition travel, i think Tysha and Tyrion might possibly make a trade company in Volantis. Or a business of some kind. They could connected said business, through people they know in Old Town and Lannisport.
I just don't think Tysha and Tyrion would not be busy with something if they don't go in Valyria. Realistically the two of them will make some kids.
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>>6390025
No idea on how fast i was going to go. I'm just trying to keep to things that are interesting.
I do imagine things will slow down as we get closer to the mainline story, especially the war of five kings. But all this prior stuff, there isn't much to fill out the quest and only so much i'm actually interested in.
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>>6390011
That's fair, but I also don't want to risk Jason's kids being born with tails/horns due to cursed Valarian magic. If the child is born now, they'll be safe from that.
>>6389996
Ah, sorry for repeating myself QM, but did we get a response to the question in this post: >>6389919 ?
It'd be nice to know how we did with Oldtown's defenses, and whether or not Asha is upset with us before leaving on the expedition
>>6389979
Yo, forget demons. What if Jason comes back with something like a Basilisk's tooth. His nickname of "the stone lion" becomes a lot more scary when he starts executing traitors by turning them to stone statues. Keep enough of those around, and it makes Tywin's "the rains of castamere" threat look like childs play
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>>6390054
Oh you reinforced the hell out of Old town. Old town has a bit of an easier time due to geography, so you mostly just increased its defenses using new techniques. It was already not an appealing target, now its just basically impossible.
Asha is not to sad about it because there are other targets in the reach Ironborn would prefer, with Oldtown always being a "Iron fleet raid war" sort of target. And such a force is something most defenses can't handle if they're focused on anti pirate slash reaver defenses
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>>6390057
I would def say that thus far the updates and votes have mostly felt like vignettes into Jason's coming of age, and opportunities to refine the kind of character he is, which is cool, but I'm glad to hear the pace will slow down eventually; whether that's our quest for Brightroar or the wars ahead, I am more accustomed to scenes taking multiple updates or even a few dozen with occasional 'cuts' moving the story along here and there, with longer time skips that account for days/weeks/months/years spread out more intermittently.
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>>6389996
>>Child vote Later? (Child will be concieved at a later point in the story, likely on the return back or after returning to westeros)
I dont know maybe im not used to this fast pace with such a lore rich universe.
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>>6390054
Hell nah I ain't forgettin about no demons. Shiieeeet we're gonna sail into a sea that always smokes, for a land that is double-ultra-plus cursed, where a bunch of freaky incest people lived with blood magic and fire reptiles. I'm finna bust out the holy water, too. kek
But nah the various animals and critters are pretty rad. Killing a basilisk would be cool. As would be hunting down one of those white lions in the Dothraki sea. Whether it be to capture it and bring it home or to wear its pelt as a cloak. Of course, we are going nowhere near there, so buying one at a market is like to be the only way we could. Ideally we wouldn't encounter any of the dangerous creatures of the world. No fire lizards, random manticores far from home, basilisks creeping among the islands.
Do basilisks actually turn people to stone in GoT canon though? I can't recall. I remember them having venom but not what it does. If it's ever specified even.
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>>6390084
I consider it a silver lining that it will let us one up Euron. He CLAIMS to have been to the Shadow Lands (which of course his mute and illiterate crew can't verify), but we will probably be coming back with PROOF of our surviving Valyria.
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>>6390076
Good place to properly start the story based on how we've leaned so far, and a good plot beat for you to use to make the setting your own, and thoroughly work Jason into the source material. While I can admit I'd have rather we postponed it, I am excited to explore one of the more mysterious parts of the series up close.
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>>6390100
The moment asha (or yara, if you want to call her by show-name) tells jason to "go play with your blocks" to dismiss him you just know all the twitter fiends with their list of self-diagnosed mental illnesses in their bios are not going to get it at all and everything will be calm. But the real spergs will all get it immediately. But once the twittards catch wind of it they will both claim it's a great day for representation and also disparage it as being bigoted and harmful. Despite it being a cute sort of teasing shared between husband and wife.
This I know in my heart of hearts.
Also that there would be a scene in which there is dramatic music playing as Jason sets down figures and blocks when designing a fortification that snap cuts to a battle as he places the last piece down with a dramatic thud which doubles as the sound of a boulder hitting the earth or wall to display that his ideas work and establish him as someone aloof but still dangerous. Because cinematographers love that shit. If the scene was narrated it would probably be by Asha to reinforce the hidden ferocity of the stone lion, or Jaime or Tyrion for the same reason but to different affect.
>>6390106
>Dude Jason is based as fuck, he's autistic and has a goth tomboy baddie!
>Dude Jason is woke as fuck, he's a retarded twink who gets pushed around by his wife!
The duality of man.
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>>6390100
Whenever he gets in a fight it's never actually a pitched battle/swordfight because he knows his ass is better served in the back line, but he always wins because he, like, breaks a chair over their head and disappears into a secret passage.
Then when the enemy finally catches up with him, Asha blindsides them with an axe.
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>>6390113
>show jason vs show euron who wins?
>that's some weak shit, how about book jason vs book euron?
>why does that make a difference?
>they both went to valyria (allegedly)
>THEY WHAT
Imagine the whiplash of that. Since show Euron never went to Valyria it's likely that show Jason wouldn't either. So the idea of the little lion twink actually being a fearless adventurer would seem completely out of character.
>>6390118
Imagine you're watching this skinny little blonde guy getting his ass handed to him and then out of nowhere he jumps through a bookcase that's actually a door and disappears into dark tunnels. Some Scooby-Doo ass shit.
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>>6389994
I look at it this way.
1 Why did we choose Asha over the other prospects?
2 What's the use of Asha if her character divergence is so strong to the point of uselessness?
In theory Asha should have been the easiest to handle wife on account of her strong preference for blunt approaches and open ambitions. Downside obviously her ability to kick our ass and being extremely scary(rightfully so). In practice it turned out Jason is a prettyboy which is Asha's #1 type(vs Jaime's Hunky handsomeness) and despite our mediocre intrigue skills she was still able to perfectly crush our mediocre intrigue skills so hard that Jason never noticed anything once she got her head around what made Jason tick. With nothing more than some books, furniture, and building blocks. Honestly, I'm not even mad about that, more impressed with Asha with anything. Well played Asha, well played.
If she, arguably the weakest in that department among the prospects, could outplay Jason so handily like that than holy fuck we would have been screwed with the others who actually specialized in it. Except for maybe the wild card option if she turned out to be the only one without ambitions.
Admittedly, there is also a good chance that on account of being tormented by Tywin she was forced to put a lot more focus on intrigue during this time around. However, that shouldn't factor out her strengths, as otherwise, yet against wouldn't ruin the whole point of Asha being an option in the first place? As for Jason not knowing...at this point, I blame Jason's innocence and how quickly Asha has successfully mastered how to keep him perfectly distracted. Much to my annoyance. I cannot even blame the guy; I underestimated how quickly she would figure him out.Tyrion bro, you're my only hope!
I want to know what she is up to, damn it, on account that all Jason wants to do is build...
>>6390031
Asha is a very typical Ironborn IF they had a pair of tits and an actual brain. Jason, on the other hand, is uh...special. With a heart and mind so pure even the purist and most chaste of maidens would blush in jealousy.
>>6390084
Balon would already be having a giggle and smile while dreaming every night when Asha finally explains Jason to him, because Tywin unwittingly solved his biggest problem with his backup plan. Her uncles would hate him.
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>>6390125
>"hey wait this guy isn't as heavy as a log"
>throws guy off a balcony
Jason would be a primo griefer. "Oh man you trained for like, two decades. Well the edge of the wall is right there and I am activating my tard strength so have a nice Fall see you next Winter.".
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>>6390133
I am 100% convinced that if he were a show character there would be memes about him stealing shoes in a castle, then throwing legos on the ground as he dashed away with his own feet safely protected by his boots. Because I am sure there would be a scene where he throws caltrops or debris on the ground to slow someone down. Because he understands shapes and how hard they are to walk on. Truly a master of geometry.
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>>6390136
He would definitely be the sneaky asshole of the television show, basically the war version of Littlefinger or Varys. The character you would just think is some retarded twink who gets bullied by his a bitch of a lesbian wife who cheats on him constantly with women. Until the BIG reveal showing the true terror of the twink and that it was actually a power couple all along.
Then, when you think he will finally die after being trapped and hunted down in a castle somewhere completely surrounded...nobody gets out alive. As they slowly get ripped apart by all the traps, thrown off ledges, boobytraps, ambushes, and backstabbed. He sneaks away scot free through some hidden passage, whistling a merry tune while playing with some blocks in a boat or the back of a cart. Turned out he wasn't even there anymore after who knows how long. They were fooled into killing each other with the 'surprise' he left behind for them.
Big reveal would be when he's building some defenses that utterly wreck the enemy army to hilarious degree with some light foreshadowing about him other works in construction depending on how they wanna play it. Maybe even two big reveals as a double reveal to show why the two are together and in happily in love despite their wild differences. By showcasing what happens when the two team up for a siege. Than the viewers really shit just got REAL unlike before.
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>>6390140
You are putting far too much faith in the showrunners to not make "some retarded twink who gets bullied by his a bitch of a lesbian wife who cheats on him constantly with women" Jason's actual character, especially considering how badly they butchered Tyrion, Renly, and Edmure's characters in the show.
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>>6390140
I imagine Jason's big like, notable showing would be when Rob Stark Invades the Westerlands. He's quick to take ground and win victories of course. But he finds that the number of knight freeholds and miniature fortresses makes moving unseen impossible.
Then Robb Stark would find gates of casterly rock still open, still pulling in supplies and small folk for the defense. He charges in with his forces. Then the gates close, then stone walls fall to block their way.
Then the hell begins.
Robb would win, by virtue of escaping with his forces, but Casterly rock would remain untaken and many northman would have died within its halls.
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>>6390144
In a perfect world, amirite? Real shit if he didn't get killed for shock value to "enrage yara" which would also be like, a scene or two total of her lamenting that her silly husband died and nothing comes of it; then he'd probably get used as a semi-comedic character whose only purpose is to look at things and point out stuff for the audience to hear because they don't think the audience is smart enough to notice characters like Littlefinger and Varys just randomly knowing shit because there are secret passages and roads linking owned properties and stuff.
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Now book version...would be trickier. You would basically have characters compare what Jason was like pre- and post-expedition. Older people would note how Tywin hated Jason for reminding him of the Laughing Lion while hating his twin dwarf brother Tyrion for killing his wife. While younger people would note Tyrion reacted by carousing, his twin Jason instead doubled down with his hobby but was still remarkably cordial, albeit a seemingly mediocre young man. Everyone, however would remember the tournament celebrating the defeat of the Greyjoys Rebellion. Which very nearly became a farce thanks to Cersei when she humiliated Asha and nearly started a disastrous fight between her husband Robert and the Lannisters by pointing out what the heir of Lannister did with his fiancée the day before, which had previously been kept a secret. Before that, Jason would have been unknown to the realm but what he did was something that nobody would ever dream of doing but successfully quelling Robert's Rage and even managing to please the King while easing relations between the rebellious Greyjoys and King himself at the cost of his reputation throughout the realm. Something truly unspeakable for any Lannister and something that even Tywin was helpless to stop despite his rage.
That would have been the first time everyone ever truly heard of Jason Lannister and many rumors spawned from it despite Tywin's best efforts to squash them. A year later, the Building Lion wed the Kraken's Daughter. With the King himself showing up because as for once, he found a Lannister he actually liked and to spite his wife. Besides some words about his building efforts and education before his sudden disappearance secretly to journey to Valyria with his uncle...
>>6390144
Probably. Despite how simple Jason's character actually is. I hated the show and stopped watching after the first few seasons. I did read all the books.
>>6390147
I wonder what the book version would be like.
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>>6390150
He is gonna drive Visyrs and Littlefinger insane entirely by accident. All their spies keep on reporting that Jason keeps on finding all their spots, entrances, and new passages. That he keeps recording for 'fun' apparently. He'll even find all the wildfire stashes, most likely and force Jaime to come clean when he starts asking questions about it.
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Thinking about a way to pass time on the voyage we're gonna undertake, wouldn't it be fun to play a sort of "castellan's" game? The premise being that there is a point somewhere, with imaginary terrain around it, like being in a bay or atop a hill or somesuch. The goal of one side is to move a piece into the point, the goal of the other is to stop them. The Castellan side can place down walls and fortifications and engines but limited manpower. While the Besieger has limited engines but a large manpower pool. It's basically turn based capture the hill but you can play it with your imagination. A little wargame. Played in rounds, with each round escalating how much stuff you can employ.
Give Jason something to use his blocks and figures for. And lets everyone keep their mind tested for strategy. Not that I imagine this would be fun to write, in fact it would be a pain in the dick, but it's fun to imagine Jason is trying to find a way to interact with his fellows and have a good time that they can get into as well. What sort of man doesn't like wargames, after all?
>>6390150
>"HARK! What are you doing crawling through dusty tunnels and emerging in untoward places, young man!?"
>"Did you know this passage leads to the baths? Nice spear by the way, please stop pointing it at me."
>>6390155
Bro Jaime breaking down from Jason constantly being grabbed by the Kingsguard and the castle guards and having to bail him out would be funny as hell. Then having to explain all the bullshit leading to Jaime crashing out about how the Mad King was a total fucking psycho and deserved it with this fifteen page powerpoint presentation. It'd be glorious.
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>>6390159
Now THAT is funny.
>Brother. Sister. Where your clothes at?
>She needed help getting her dress on. So many clasps in hard to reach places.
>And he just came from the bath.
>Oh, I see. Well, carry on then, sorry for startling you.
None the wiser.
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>>6390152
The issue with book version is that, He would not be a tactical genius or a martial talent. So he would be someone spoken of often, but rarely appearing. Sort of like Kevin.
he would however have impact whenever someone bumbs into something he's had a direct hand in. At least as he is now
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>>6390159
To be fair to Jason, that is entirely 100% in character for him, something his own wife, Asha, can personally testify to. So it's entirely plausible. Cersei will be torn between humiliation, relief, confusion, disbelief, and embarrassment. Jaime will have some very hilarious pointed questions and conversations with Tyrion over drinks about Jason and Asha's relationship.
Still gotta kill the mood because what if Jason asks other people about what he saw?
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>>6390175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giF3A1d2ox0
>>6390176
Unless he got to be a PoV character for a while. For something important going on with war preparations. But I doubt he would be.
>>6390177
The funniest thing is Jason would probably never suspect anything untoward happening between Cersei and Jaime just because in his mind "They're twins, of course they spend a lot of time together and are most comfortable with each other. Tyrion and I are the same way.". And the fact that if he ever, EVER said that in earshot of someone once rumors started really spreading about Jaime and Cersei it would be conflated similarly is the scariest and funniest shit ever.
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>>6390084
It depends how Jason and Asha come back. Survivors is already a miracle, Victors is exceptionally difficult, and returning all has some Glorious Heroes is utterly impossible.
One thing to note is that Jason&Asha are following Uncle Gerion expedition fleet (which will likely make some stops, especially the last one at Volantis so we can say goodbye to Tyrion and Tysha), and then reveal themselves with their cog when its the expedition fleet cant turn around.
J&A while being able to improve their odds here in Oldtown before going, and across some of near Essos cities, have only 1 ship. And once they will come in contact with Gerion, he is the one in charge of the expedition. They can work with Gerion, but he will call the shots at large.
>>6390157
While some fun can be had, priority during travel would be reading about Valyria related topics, navigation for keep distance with Gerion fleet or an eye out for slavers and pirates, and likely talking a ton with Tyrion both about the expedition it self and if other preparations of some kind can be done (like the ones anons have suggested already), what they are going to do during the expedition (Tyrion would be active if he stays in Volantis. He is not a fool) and what of the future after coming out alive from there (Tyrion would definetly want to talk of that too, and hammer on Jason head to get back, him and Asha alive).
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>>6390176
I would imagine he would make an appearance should the duo appear in battle, especially sieging or as a side character with Asha or Tyrion as the focus.
In terms of actually viewing him from POV...he wouldn't really seem like anything until OH SHIT happens with defenses or a siege. Then the weird oddball in the background suddenly turns out to be far more important and dangerous, thus very much appearances can be deceiving character.
Kinda like that one jester character. At first what he says is hogwash until you think about and notice things. Suddenly, what he says makes a lot more sense...he would just be a character regarded with a surprising amount of trepidation for someone so 'harmless' and eccentric by other characters when mentioned.
>>6390180
I can only imagine how much Jaime's gonna die laughing when he finds out how hard Asha repeatedly and failed miserably to seduce Jason before the wedding from Tyrion the whole time. Even after getting married, Jason is still unbelievably innocent and naive about such matters. So he is never going to realize it. Hell, even after the rumors start flying, he is gonna be of the mind, 'aren't twins SUPPOSED to be close'? Never realizing the negative or sexual undertones and connotations...because it's Jason. His mind just doesn't go there or work like that. Fuck, its highly doubtful he even understands what a whore is or how it works.
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>>6390181
Actually I think Gerion only took his personal ship the Laughing Lion on this trip. Since the Lannister fleet is still being rebuilt. And it's noted that half his crew deserted him, not half the ships or anything like that. Leads me to believe he really did decide he was better off fucking off to Valyria by himself than staying around with Tyrion to listen to. I may be wrong about this, though.
>priority during travel would be reading about Valyria related topics
Also fair enough.
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I think the biggest thing about Jason if he had been in the books or the show, is how events would have unfolded differently due to Tywin having an actual heir who can inherit The Westerlands.
Tyrion's trial was an excuse to force Jamie into filling those shoes. Then there's also Asha's presence, and how that'd effect the Greyjoys.
Jason has a very curious position in The Game.
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>>6390209
Interestingly I think most events would play out the same, the various alliances remain mostly the same except the Iron Islands would probably fall into a proper alliance with the Lannisters if Asha could truly win their throne with Lannister backing. Though Joffrey would again be the weak link, if Margaery was still wed to him as per normal. However with Jason potentially having children, assuming he didn't go off on adventure in the books proper, it's probably more likely that another Tyrell would be wed to one of Jason's children instead.This could lead to a serious western power bloc with Tywin at the head of it. And he'd then secure the Riverlands through cunning. With Jason being supportive and protective of Tyrion there would probably be a slightly stronger familial bond which might keep Tyrion from murdering Tywin. Assuming Jason can stop Tywin from having Tysha get a train ran on her. Which I believe he could. So instead she'd probably just get banished away from Tyrion.
It's a really weird scenario in which Tywin might somehow despite all the bullshit from Cersei and Joffrey to ruin everything forever, keep his alliances and power intact. And I don't think Stannis could Mannis it hard enough to be a real threat and get enough headway in the North. It'd probably come down to Tywin's power bloc against Danaerys' looming threat.
But I am probably forgetting a TON of shit.
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From my vantage, we have already made a few changes to the timeline that I think implicitly lead to some significant changes.
Tyrion is the really big one, though that's maybe obvious because he is such a prominent character in the books. By sparing him the Tysha Trauma AND creating the infrastructure for him to have a long term happy romance with her, we have already saved Tywin's life. Tyrion kills Tywin because of what he says about Tysha after the trial, and I think a big part of why he even confronts him is because of that core trauma. Tywin won't be hiring a prostitute to spy on Tyrion now, he simply can't do so, and because of our mere existence, Tywin can't as easily leverage the trial to get Jaime to leave the Kingsguard, so is less incentivized to push for one. This also means that Oberyn's canon death is avoided, as is the incident that transforms the Mountain into a zombie juggernaut. Tywin may still want Tyrion dead, but that was a very public way to have to go about it that was embarrassing for the family. Tyrion may not even be able to be kidnapped by Catelyn Stark anymore, because he has a wife to spend time with and our retinue to be travelling in, rather than stopping at taverns mostly alone. He might not even be at Winterfell when/if Bran gets shoved out the window! He will probably never meet Bronn, and I think it'd be very interesting to see Bronn end up working in the employ of someone else, possibly even an enemy.
We're yet to see how Asha marrying into Lannister really affects the Greyjoy subplots, but at a minimum I would say it is substantially more likely she'll be able to win the Kingsmoot, if that's still an ambition of hers as some anons suspect (and I do too, to be clear, I just don't think she is actively working on it the way she was able to in the books, because she does not have full freedom or her father's direct patronage anymore; she is in a similar position to Theon, estranged from her court, for now). Not certain, but now she will be entering that fray with the full backing of house Lannister and whatever muscle we are able to rope into our retinue. She is going to be a more dangerous fighter, with a wider array of training from better instructors, and she will be much better armed and armored as well. Her reformist case will be more compelling because it will be backed up a lot more effectively, including by her being able to gesture to her husband who is 1) a wizard and 2) responsible for fortifications in the Westerlands and Oldtown both that hard counter Ironborn tactics. This means having Asha as an enemy is unwise, and having her as a leader is profitable.
So with Tyrion possibly not serving as hand of the king, there may not be a wildfire gambit to counter Stannis at Blackwater, and yet with Asha in the mix, the possibility of an Iron Fleet flanking them would likely mean Stannis doesn't even try a naval invasion at all, and instead develops a strategy to attack by land.
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>>6390263
Yeah that's fair. I suppose I think Tywin is just canny enough to avoid the same end that Kevan and Pycelle had. Perhaps I am overestimating him in that regard. But if Tyrion was more amiable with Tywin he might actually help him out here and tell him how shifty Varys truly is, if Tywin doesn't realize it himself in time. Cause Tywin sure as shit wouldn't believe Cersei if she told him, the daft bint. Everyone underestimates Varys, 'cept Tyrion. Maybe Baelish too.
Of course, things have to play out how they have to play out. If it's necessary then it'll happen for the story to march on.
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I would be very interested to see where Bronn turns up. His nature means he could turn up in anyone's employ should they lack scruples enough to tolerate a sellsword with no real honor. Perhaps he will throw his lot in with Stannis, or perhaps he'll simply follow the gold and wind up for the Lannisters anyway, maybe for Cersei instead of Tyrion. Wouldn't that be a hoot? Then Joffrey has a pet killer and Jason has a loyal bodyguard since they won't need for Sandor any more.
>my husband is a wizard
>the fuck does that matter?
>do you want to be turned into a squirrel and never see the sea again?
>okay relax lady, fuck I yield.
kek
Part of me still thinks Euron will be able to get the salt throne, primarily because more Ironborn might see Asha as turning greenlander despite the fact she would have more resources at her disposal, and the threat of letting her hubby make even more land even harder to raid. Though this may manifest as a more stark schism that leads to an actual civil war between the reformists and traditionalists under Euron.
That is one where time will tell. Gonna have to let that one percolate for a while and see where the wind starts blowing.
As for Stannis not trying a fleet action, he did manage to beat the Ironborn pretty soundly before at sea, he might still try it. Though in this case if he did, it would probably be more like D-Day because damn, Jason is gonna be on the backburner setting up some mean shit. Yeah, maybe a land action would be preferable. So far Jason has not displayed any cunning for land based sieges in the eyes of the various lords of Westeros, only sea-based ones. Which may be attributed to his wife instead of him in a ploy to smear his name. You know how rumor mongers are. Could be interesting how that plays out.
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>>6390275
>maybe for Cersei instead of Tyrion.
Oh that's kind of diabolical, honestly. I could see him ending up with Baelish since he's lounging around the Eyrie when Tyrion meets him. He'd be one nasty piece of work if he locked in with Cersei or with Littlefinger. I think I could also see him getting along with Arya if they somehow ended up travelling together the way she did with Sandor.
And nah man even when we don't 'need' a bodyguard, we should hang onto the Hound as our main squeeze the way Tywin and Cersei both use the Mountain. Jon has Tormund, Danny has Daario, Renly has Brienne; every great Lord has a random beefcake following them around, even a lot of ones that are already good enough fighters as is. The best players have like two or three (like Danny has Grey Worm, and Renly has Loras). I wanna be there for the Bowl!
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>>6390295
Cersei "strangle that infant" Lannister and "Pay me first" Bronn. A match made in hell. Hitched to littlefinger though Bronn goes from a dangerous man to an absolute fucking terror because he'll have brains backing him up. Gahdamn.
Of course. It's only proper that Sandor stand behind us menacingly when we tell people their walls are thin and gates flimsy while looking directly at their wife because we are lost in thought. Honestly I think Sandor would probably get along better with Jason than he does Tyrion. Which is saying something cause they get along pretty well.
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>>6390296
To be fair to poor Sandor getting stuck babysitting Jason was such a special kind of hell that he completely changed his mind about tormenting knights, spending his time bullying them especially the Hightower knights and couldn't do anything about Tyrion with Tysha without screwing himself over. So he decided that the lovey dovey couple didn't exist for the sake of his own sanity and wellbeing.
He is probably the only person who can sympathize with Asha about how disturbingly intimidating Jason can be entirely by accident and without meaning to. Its just Jason doesn't realize how frightening it is when a man lays out exactly how your army will be slaughtered and your defences will be destroyed in autistic detail. Asha learned that the hard way and Sandor watched it on repeat. I'm sure it grew on Sandor just as it grew on Asha. Especially when you get to enjoy a front row seat.
Ironborn Lords are gonna be scared shitless of Jason once they taste the horrors of his design. As well as developing a disturbing appreciation for Asha's alarming taste in men. While Jason himself is mainly popular among the Knightholds and smallfolk along with a few defensive minded coastal lords.
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>>6390308
I think the primary reason that Sandor gets along with the lion boys is because Jason and Tyrion both treat him like a person. A fairly intimidating person but a person. Not in the sissy fru fru kind of way but the respectful acknowledgement of fellow humanity kind of way. There's no hidden contempt from them. No tacit agreement that he's only there because they pay him. He's just a guy, to them. But Tyrion is whip-smart, Jason is closer to Sandor's wavelength. Sure Sandor would probably leave if the coin was good enough elsewhere, and he would definitely run if it meant his survival, but that's fine, because that's what it takes to make it in this world. He's not a knight sworn to ideals. He's not honorbound. He's just here and that's good enough for the twin boys.
Tyrion gets what Sandor is about and Jason just doesn't really seem to care. Two different vibes for people who don't ask you to do deplorable shit and just let you kill people when the time comes. Which is just fine for a man like Sandor. Because he really likes killing and he's really good at it.
I think Sandor and Asha get along pretty well, too. Whereas the Lannister brats aren't true killers, she is. So there's that mutual understanding between them. Even if he knows he could fold her in two if they came to blows. He definitely still thinks she's a bitch though kek
I also had a really funny thought that if we managed to find a second big Valyrian steel sword we could gift it to Sandor and name it "Contempt". Because good fucking lord that is a fitting name for a man like him to wield. And if we find a second smaller Valyrian steel blade we would naturally give it to Asha and call it "Wave-ripper" or something. But those are just funny thoughts and silly dreams. I am getting overambitious about this journey. Much to optimistic.
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Crazy thought, but what if we tried learning of Rhoynish water magic in Dorne? When that doesn't pan out, because surely any record or traditions from so long ago would have been lost, perhaps it may be possible to find some information and lore of it in Essos somewhere? I've got that brain worm that suggests that maybe by learning of water magic, and learning enough of it or just the right parts of it, we might find a way to slow or halt Greyscale infections. Cure it outright, I find unlikely. But surely knowing the magic which seemingly birthed the disease would grant some insight into stymieing it's advance.bonus points for being apparently not icky blood magic like Valyrian magics were
Pipe dream I know, but I will grasp at straws to squeeze out ever goddamn drop of value from our Valyrian steel link lmao if even one useful thing can be learned I will consider it a great success.
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>>6390360
I'm sure that would be possible IF we chose the medicine link, because I'm sure Jason only knows how to pee, shit and keep his blood inside him lmao
And even then if we chose it we wouldn't know about that kind of magic, but yeah... It would be pretty much a 50/50 situation if we actually learn something about it or do nothing
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>>6390393
The way I see it, medical solutions to greyscale are super hit or miss. They seem to not actually do anything but instead give the person with the affliction a better drive to survive. Basically placebo effecting them. With the added side affect sometimes of disinfecting or scouring the infected tissues or the tissues nearby. So medicine clearly isn't doing as much as it should given how relatively common and how big a deal greyscale is treated as. It really does behave more like a curse than a mere sickness. There's definitely more to it than medicine can deal with. So I'd put more stonks into fixing it or doing something to it with magic that curatives.
That being said, we probably will need to pick up some medical knowledge, or even history knowledge, to get there in the first place. It definitely is the longest shot it could possibly be. But I wanted to at least make mention of it. Also because we're on a boat. Being able to do something with water might just be kind of useful here. And we have quite a lot of time to kill and we certainly can't spend it all JUST reading about Valyria or learning how to navigate via the stars. We actually have more time than it would take for just that kind of stuff. Gotta fill it somehow.
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For instance if we find out about the incest we could launch a lannister civil war. Maybe even more interesting thought we lead this civil war as a war fleet as the army and land is loyal to tywin while the navy is loyal to us. Could be a intresting situation
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I worry about the ramifications of what would happen to Jaime, Myrcella and Tommen. If we did do something it would have to be quiet, no one could know, just pull them outta there and force them to rescind their claims. Which you know Cersei. She will shout from the damn rooftops that her kids deserve to be in charge and refuse to leave. And Joffrey is going to do the same shit. They'll have almost no support in this instance but there will be people propping them up explicitly because they're dumb as fuck and can be disposed of later.
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>>6390585
It's pretty likely we won't even get a chance for that, again there are people with vested interests in creating chaos within KL.
We'd have more chances to put Jalabhar as lord of the summer isles than actually preventing disaster from unfolding.
Going up against Tywin in a civil war would run into the trouble of actually getting more loyalty/fear out of the westerlands than Tywin who's been in power since practically when he was a late teenager.
Our best odds for which claimant to back are probably ironically enough with Aegon once Tywin is gone if we want to rescind Joffrey and Tommen's claims.
But really, shouldn't we aim to get ourselves on the throne?
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>>6390585
>>6390586
I had asked about this here
>>6386866
Though that's way far back.
Depending on where other pieces have fallen on the board, I'm potentially interested in Jason throwing Cersei and her bastards under the bus. Without even being meta about it and considering the tens of thousands of lives her nonsense antics cost, even someone of Jason's intellect and moral character can say plainly that Joffrey should not be king, and she should not be near the throne. If Jason knew she had played a hand in killing Robert, I don't know why he would cover for her. I've been thinking about where to lean in the War of Five Kings and presently I think Stannis makes the most sense. Renly's critiques of him are fair, but they don't mean he isn't king by right. Robb just wants to break off the North, and that's entirely Cersei's fault, frankly.
Though, since Tyrion won't be kidnapped by Cat, it's possible Ned won't be hobbled by Jaime's crew, and perhaps he won't push his gambit or be killed. So the war may have a different shape.
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>>6390601
>But really, shouldn't we aim to get ourselves on the throne?
I would be down for this, or at least someone of our choosing, but a bunch of anons in here have repeatedly asserted that Jason has no ambition and would never consider doing something like that - but it's my understanding that the point of these kinds of games is that the players ultimately determine what the characters are about by choosing their actions... I would say that Jason would seek to at least have an Iron Throne that is friendly with and influenced by the Lannisters, but would probably only want to sit in the chair himself if he determined that all the other candidates were inferior. He might look at Danny and see the madness under the surface, or the way Stannis is being corrupted (at least once he has started doing blood magic), Renly's lack of legitimacy, etc. I imagine it'd be difficult for him to dispute a Jon Snow/Aegon rule, though, the guy is a class act. Tyrell's wouldn't be bad either, desu, they are schemers but they also manage a high standard of living, know how to manage money and resources. They just need someone with teeth to back them up.
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>>6390611
>I don't know why he would cover for her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hoEYaLuDdc
Tywin do be instilling that family is important in his children. And as much as Jason despises his sister she is still family, and family is important. He probably would do his level best to avoid anything that would get her killed.Unless this trip forces him down the Punished Jason route and he decides hate is stronger than blood. And the Seven Kingdoms need STONE-SOLID ORDER.
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>>6390622
I don't agree with the premise that he 'barely wants to rule Casterly Rock', and haven't seen anything in any of the QM's updates that indicate that. It's my understanding that, as fraught as his relationship with Tywin is, he wants to make him proud and seems to serve his house dutifully as it's patriarch one day.
I don't fully see him seeking the Iron Throne, but he's also 19 so there is plenty of time for that to change.
This is what I mean about anon's deciding that our protag will forever be a passive bystander instead of having significant goals. I don't see the appeal as a player, or thorough reasoning for that.
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>>6390585
Okay, if we have the balls for it, then this could be really interesting... but who would we back?
Stannis?
Jon?
Renly?
>>6390601
>But really, shouldn't we aim to get ourselves on the throne?
wtf? No, not at all. Jason seems to have zero interest in that, like what >>6390622 said.
If oog we anons want that to happen, then fair enough, but we'd have to make it happen via Asha and her relentless ambition since it'd be out of character for Jason to desire the throne. At most, maybe he'd want it for his children? Punished Jason like what >>6390621 said is the only way it'd make sense imo.
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>>6390630
Likely whatever Tywin says and if not whatever keeps the Westerlands from getting gutted. I see us more being defensive minded, building our fortifications and waiting out the clusterfuck to swoop in when it's the right time.
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>>6390310
Jason likes Sandor for being trustworthy and not throwing his twin under the bus. Sandor likes them both on account of treating him like a human being, even if Tyrion annoys him, as despite being a dwarf he still got a lover(which has gotta sting a lot for Sandor). As for doing deplorable shit, that is more Asha's pride and joy. Neither Tyrion or Jason would bother Sandor with that and it's something Asha would volunteer to handle as her forte. He definitely calls her out on it and being a bitch but she appreciates it and takes pride in the back and forth as neither of the two Lion boys would have the balls to challenge her like that. Even if Tyrion is willing to face her in wits.
Sandor is definitely the only one can call Asha a horny, murderous, sadistic bitch to her face and get away with it. Likely with both of them smirking at each other the whole time. Asha would take it as a compliment.
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Jason will originally hesitate until he realizes how much of a problem Cersei truly is and Tywin's obsession with supporting her. Especially once he checks the lineage books and realizes how fucked their position is in King's Landing with endless claimants with cassus belli it will give. He won't believe the rumors and incest claims but he WILL believe the books of lineage. Likely after having a serious chat with Ned and refusing to let Jeffery and Cersei execute him while denying him the right to Take the Black. Jason is someone with strong principles and a spine, despite how cordial he normally behaves.
If pushed he will kidnap Myrcella and Tommen before withdrawing from King's Landing to either Casterly Rock or the Iron Islands. Given his understanding of construction and secret tunnels fat chance of stopping his escape. He will refuse Ned's execution and be upset that Robert died(he actually liked his brother in law). His actual position is more likely to be based around damage control due to the sheer amount of fuckery that Cersei and Tywin will unleash, rather than picking any proper sides. So a civil war between Lions is a very real possibility when you consider the fact that Jason has a spine and principles.
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>>6390627
Jason has stated that he would have preferred Jaime be the heir, if only because he hated Tywin breathing down his neck all the time. And now he's chosen to run away with his wife to Old Valyria rather than fulfill his duty as the Lannister heir. When has he ever shown any indication that he WANTS to rule? He will rule because must, but it seems to me that he'd prefer not to.
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I think while Jason isn't unambitious he isn't "I wanna be king" type ambition he's probably content with being the ruler of westerlands and building up forts n shiet. What I can see is that he doesn't really like ceresi. I can see him defending Jamie but ceresi?. Hell no. Since Jason doesn't care much about his rep throwing the lannisters of KL to the curb isn't exactly a line he won't cross. Especially if he does see something wrong morally atleast.
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>>6390630
> It'd be out of character for Jason to desire the throne.
I also happen to think it'd be out of character for Jason to trust other claimants with that sort of power.
I don't mean of course by proposing it to mean Jason should be vying for power for the sake of it, but given his situation it would be a clear way to ensure his own safety from Cersei and people who will likely hate him for being a Lannister.
If anything I think it'd be kind of ironic (and thus beautiful) for Jason to fill the role Tywin intended for himself at Tommen's side if he dies in a similar manner and time.
Hand Jason does have a nice ring to it no?
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>>6390587
I believe in Asha will fix that problem for us. Originally she had it out for Tywin but than Cersei had to open her big stupid mouth and make a new enemy for no reason at all. I'm just waiting to see how Jeofry will piss her off too.
>>6390601
The problem with that is Danny and Others. Our position as a Lannister is mainly damage control. Specifically Cersei and her stupidity with Tywin doubling down on it.
Also Asha is the overly ambitious one. Not Jason.
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>>6390644
Did you miss Jason and Tyrion talk about Jason being heir and patience? There is apparently a longstanding agreement between the twins of Jason being in charge with Tyrion as his #2 and right hand man. Jason isn't exactly very enthused about it on account of not exactly being the very ambitious sort and seeing himself as the mediocre son at the time. Which was slowly fixed with his self esteem improvements following his engineering achievements. Still not exactly ambitious though.
>>6390630
Whoever agrees not to fuck the Lannisters. Jason, unlike the rest of his family, will accept that their position is terrible thanks to Cersei and Tywin's bullshit. So he'll be more interested in siding with whoever offers the most leniency. Which is why he'll want fucking out of King's Landing ASAP in the first place once he realizes just how badly Cersei fucked them all with her bastards.
Asha, on the other hand, is the real wild card in that equation.
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I agree that if all possible he could probably get a good deal through the hightowers and the reach atleast. Since if renly has the hightowers the stormlands AND the westerlands he's basically already won. So I can see them giving him a status quo deal where he loses nothing but gains nothing atleast
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>>6390654
Jason doesn't hold his own reputation in high regard at all. To him he views it as another piece to play at best. He has accepted being a ruler but not a king. I mean he how else is he supposed to have time for his hobby? At least as ruler, he can use it as an excuse to improve the realm. For the Lannisters of KL kicking them to the curb is legit when he confirms how badly they just fucked House Lannister and made an enemy of everyone. Particularly when they cross the line and it turns out he does have a spine.
Something Tywin and Cersei are gonna learn the hard way in the future.
>>6390655
Jason is humble enough to understand and know his limits. Tyrion? Yes. He would give up Tyrion, who DOES have that capability but Jason knows he doesn't have that ability. Most people look down on Tyrion despite his intellect. Jason doesn't hell Jason depends on Tyrion and takes it for granted that Tyrion is his right hand man. It is also why Jason doesn't hesitate to trust and depend upon Asha, his wife, despite her antics. He deeply appreciates and cherishes her capabilities. Especially if it's superior to his own(not hard). It's something that was drilled into him from birth. Being the most mediocre and yet the heir, he HAD to surround and ingratiate himself with whoever was more talented(which Tywin mistook for being the second Laughing Lion no its because he was humble and 'mediocre', so he understood perfectly just how fucked he was gonna be without being surrounded by those with talent).
That is precisely why Jason really wouldn't want to be a King. Too much work. Too much responsibility. Too much talent required. Too little time to do the things he actually wants to do instead. The man barely accepts having to be Tywin's heir. Largely, that is more for Tyrion's sake than his own. Even with Asha whispering in his ears. Which suits Asha perfectly because she knows it's no problem whatsoever to gain control or handle her husband. Honestly, Jason arguably isn't even the biggest threat, it's fucking Asha, but nobody is likely to realize that until it's too late.
>>6390658
Stannis will just murder him with shadow/blood magick again.
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>>6390655
I can see him being Tommen's hand if only to keep his nephew safe and to stop Cersei from fucking things up any more than she already has but not out of any desire for power or for Lannister pride.
>>6390656
>So he'll be more interested in siding with whoever offers the most leniency
So Renly or possibly Daenerys? I'm not sure about Aegon but Stannis definitely won't show any mercy.
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>>6390659
This reminds me of a quote from an old L5R book on the scorpion.
"The daimyo was not the most talented of any of his clan, and in knowing this arranged his court with specialists in every regard. A lord does not need to be the cleverest, or the wittiest or the deadliest, he merely must have the wisdom to recognise how to order his affairs and not hinder his subordinates from carrying out his will."
case in point, if you can trust your subordinates, let them do their work and act as a supervisor with veto powers.
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>>6390656
>The problem with that is Danny and Others.
I do seriously think, even Daenerys having Dragons isn't quite as insurmountable as people think it is.
Jason is kind of unique in that the skillset we're having him develop essentially has everything to do with coastal defense, building and commissioning ships and fortifcations (not even counting Asha).
If the battle of the gullet is anything to go by, we at least have a chance.
For the Others, i'm not sure we'd believe the stories.
>>6390659
You're right to mention Asha influencing Jason.
However all the reasons you mention to justify why Jason wouldn't be a good fit are the very same reason why I think he would be. Knowing to delegate and one's own limit what could drive him to power on the basis that the people around him will likely drive him to that solution.
I think you're correct in assessing Jason would find little pleasure in that turn of events, but Jason is indeed as you say the type of person that is familly-driven and duty-bound in that regard even if he hates that somehow Tywin drilled that into him.
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>>6390663
>case in point, if you can trust your subordinates, let them do their work and act as a supervisor with veto powers.
Yeah, I agree with this and other anons pushing a similar characterization.
I think it's just too early to flatly say that Jason has no great ambition - at his age, a lot about him is going to change in the next few years. He may be influenced by Asha and inspired to aim higher. He may be influenced by Tywin, even, and aim higher out of spite to prove the bastard wrong OR impress him or both. He may have his whole entire worldview and self image warped by his journey to Old Valyria, in fact I'd say it's quite likely. If he brings back Brightroar, or any half-ass relic even, and survives, I imagine it will deeply alter his sense of what he is capable of and maybe what he deserves. It will certainly alter other people's view of that!
But in terms of style and flow, and where he is now, I agree that Jason knows his limits. If all he brings to the table is good judgment and enough money to fund whatever plan he has, surrounding himself with experts to cover his bases and deferring to them is the only way to go. He already has two of Westeros' best shit-kickers, and once we reunite with Tyrion we keep him on and have one of the sharpest minds. Just the three of them make us competitive with most of the other power blocs out there at the moment.
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Look at life from Jason's perspective. If nothing had gone wrong. Tywin would die he would become ruler. With Tyrion has his right hand man and his brilliant/strong wife. He could focus on his hobby of becoming Westerland version of Brandon the Builder because fuck you, he has the gold. It is extremely unlikely that Tyrion and his wife would fuck up so hard that he would be forced to intervene for whatever reason. Which is what he would devote his life doing until he dies.
Instead for whatever reason shit goes wrong and he finally rebels. Journeying to Valyria with Tyrion's favorite uncle and his wife from there everything goes wrong...
>>6390662
Renly initially for Jason until he dies. However with Asha's interference, she will likely push him towards North(Theon and Arya) and or Danny. Stannis will never forgive the Lannisters so that will be a fight to the death.
With Asha the North is easy and predictable. No way she is gonna pass that up, as she adores the Starks. So she'll push Jason in that direction at first. Asha will try to reason with Stannis but fail. Secretly, it's entirely plausible that she found out about Danny or less likely Aegon. Given how much she has been focused on sharpening her intrigue skills against Tywin and sparring this time around. Especially with hanging out near Dorne and Essos. She could have found something. Especially after hearing about Danny, I doubt she'll resist the temptation of reaching out.
Danny could very easily end up with some very unexpected support early on from the Kraken. Keep in mind Jason and Asha have very different priorities. Jason is more interested in damage control VS Asha's blatant ambitions. So for her, a wild card like Danny or Aegon is far more tempting. While Jason is more interested in security.
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>>6390668
>For the Others, i'm not sure we'd believe the stories.
Jason clearly puts stock in the stories and talks of magic and mysteries. Even if he may not believe them entirely. They're real enough to him that he was willing to unironically try to light a magic candle. Surely some of the other magical claims of this world have merit to them then, too.
>>6390670
>local man survives hellish trip to the ruin of valyria
>claims to be "just a chill guy"
Honestly being away from Tywin for such a prolongued time is bound to change something in Jason. Gerion is a super chill dude, Asha will gas Jason up and humor him, Tyrion and Tysha are gonna pal around with him freely where they all can laugh and smile unlike at home. Jason is absolutely going to change on this trip. The question is how. Will Valyria break him, or reforge him, or will he simply breeze past it on winds born of humility?
It's interesting stuff.
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>>6390663
That is arguably the most dangerous and understated quality of Jason. One that nobody in Westeros notices except for maybe the Queen of Thorns. As Jason openly counts his wife as such.
>>6390668
Jason just delved into magic and will take the warnings of the Others seriously. As for Danny...Jason has no reason to be hostile to her if she offers leniency.
>>6390672
The Starks were the ones who negotiated for leniency towards her family and spared/saved her youngest brother. On top of that, they treated him very well as ward. She also admires their honor, strength, and spirit. While considering the North too poor and the people too tough to be worth raiding or conquering. Asha was always firmly against raiding the North and most grateful to the Starks. Even going up against Stannis on their behalf and opposing other Ironborn.
Plus there is no way she isn't gonna drag us up there to visit Theon and discover Arya that she will adore/insist on being her daughter in law. So yeah she has met them at least Eddard she has met before when he took Theon. He let them say goodbye.
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>>6390721
Yeah, I've basically stopped following anons because they keep getting more and more ridiculous every time. I'm just waiting for an update. The discussion has been ruined by all the people who just want Jason to be some crazy quirky powerful OC man who hangs out with all the kewl character and does all the magics and blah blab blah
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>>6390724
Eh, I think all of the interesting ASOIAF characters are rather over the top. Euron and his elixirs and crew of mutes, Victarion wearing plate mail on ships, Mountain becoming an alchemical zombie, Arya as a Faceless Man, Roose Bolton coming off as some kind of vampire, Catelyn turning into Lady Stoneheart, Daenaerys Targaryen no further comment... Jason being a fort-master, marrying a viking pirate lady, learning magic, and having a voyage to Valyria he returns from with an undefined treasure are all things we specifically voted on. They are colorful, but they arent out of place for the setting and they are the result of votes.
That said, I think some anons are not only extrapolating too much about what may happen or should happen from extremely innocuous details, or just from the books themselves, and I also think some theories or expectations have been repeated far more times than are necessary now. I think it's cool to spitball about who we might even back in the War of Five Kings because Joffrey is so obviously not in the best interest of our house. I don't think I need to hear about how Asha is planning to muster a fleet more than twice.
But yaknow, it's nice to see so much energy on the board, and the discussion has stayed pretty damn polite and respectful. We are ultimately just playing pretend together, so I don't really begrudge folks sperging out about the stuff they are liking in this quest, or just curious about, not anymore than I'd want them to begrudge me for doing the same.
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>>6390732
I call point of disagreement. lack of commitment to the changes is Donut Steel shit.
hurr hurr, we stop the Tysha rape but we keep him being ensnared by Shae later.
Bad, not well considered, lacks substance.
We stopped tyrion's slide into depravity, this results in him going under the notice of Tywin and finding the breathing room to plot an escape from the family and absconding with a large sum of gold and a letter of finances to the tyrells to cover his escape, thereby collpasing the Lannister illusion of endless wealth and placing the house on much weaker footing and thusly unable to support cersci's claim.
Better. It's all bullshit, but by commiting to the bit, you are operating under the conceit of "what if this happened", and that's how a story starts. Repeated conceits are also, usually, not great.
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>>6390732
Well, I can say I voted to get to know Ned and would've rather we did a Coming of Age Tour, so I'm not particularly offended by that appraisal. But I don't really agree, either; they make us one of the more esoteric or unusual characters in the setting, but we're still not approaching Danny, Bran, Euron, Barristan, or Arya in terms of Mary/Gary Sue/Stu qualities, at least imo.
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>>6390732
Its just a few bitter faggots trying to stir shit again. Happened before earlier in the quest with the femdom shit. When literally nobody brought that up once until they did.
For the record though learning magic and voyaging to Valyria is definitely pushing it but honestly so too is an actually reasonable Lannister who isn't a total piece of shit. That is cursed to trying to clean up their mess, but what do you expect from such a quest premise? I mean come on. Otherwise you shouldn't be there.
Most discussion is to pass the time between QM updates about innocuous details, plotting(its literally Game of Thrones), and trying to predict what other characters are doing/events. With the occasional joke slipped in.
Seriously how else are anons supposed to agree upon game plans for events that WILL happen in the future? Like the Others? Like the War of Five Kings? Do you expect the QM to demand a vote for every little thing? The quest will grind to a halt and complete shit flinging. When instead anons can discuss things ahead of time and debate when it doesn't matter without the pressure or consequences of it truly mattering yet. So there isn't too much pressure while anons talk about it.
Also the QM explicitly laid out the MC as a mediocre character from the start with a single talent worth a damn. Who absolutely got shafted with the position he found himself in.
>>6390739
I didn't vote the Valyrian steel ring and for the expedition as otherwise it would have been wasted. Would rather have had the tour. Just gotta roll with it. Shit even my gambit with Asha failed miserably when she ended up outsmarting Jonas completely neutralizing it and that is definitely gonna bite us on the ass in the future. So much for her being the most direct and easiest to handle option...
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>>6390773
Pedro Pasc- Aw SHIT they already got him.
I'd have to go with young Matt Damon or Ryan Gosling. Or young Kevin Spacey, young Edward Norton, or a young Sean Patrick Flanery. Yes I will pick a bunch of old actors and specify their younger versions. And yes, every one of these actors has played a retard or social misanthrope of some description. Gotta do it for the meme.
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>>6390732
I mean, come on. He did not "learn magic". He can't cast spells or do wizard stuff. He merely read about mystical stuff so that he can recognize it when he sees it, or knows how to avoid getting cursed.
Going to Valyria is not that crazy, especially since Uncle Gerion already does so in the canon, thus merely tagging along is still believable. Surviving it is what's impressive. The donut steel part is only if we manage to come back with any extravagant treasure.
Preventing events from the book entirely depends. Saving Tysha is fairly reasonable since Jason isn't just Tyrion's brother; they're straight up twins. Beyond that, everything is just a butterfly effect where we'll have to see how things play out differently due to Tywin having an actual heir this time rather than needing to scramble.
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>>6390785
I tried to specifically go for blonde/lithe guys. I could go for a young Matt Damon, but idk about the others, personally.
But you got me thinking that a younger Joaquin Phoenix with a good blonde dye job could kill it.
>>6390787
>butterfly effect
Yeah, this is one of the most interesting aspects of the quest. I have already pitched a bunch of speculation about how a reformed and monogamous Tyrion could actually vastly alter things, all the way up to sparing Robert and Ned their deaths, even.
I haven't really thought enough about how Littlefinger is one of the biggest threats out there, though, and how without being able to frame Tyrion he could resort to something way more dastardly in order to pitch the realm into chaos...
Gonna ruminate on that idea.
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>>6390795
It's been a while since I've watched the show or read anything. How hard would it be to get Baelish on our side rather than a foe? Would he demand that he get to marry into the Lannister family, or would something more mundane suffice?
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>>6390787
Real shit just by Jason being alive even if he were a potato who never left Casterly Rock and did fuckall in the story would change how it plays out. That's just facts bro. U rite
>>6390795
I was gonna go for all blondies, but then the idea of all spergs popped into my head and I couldn't help but giggle about it. I think Josh Hartnett could also do a pretty good job of it if he were blonde.
>>6390797
I think Baelish with his Catelyn / Sansa obsession would still try to make a world in which he could have either of them and still get ahead. He'd definitely sell us and our family out if it meant getting ahead.
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>>6390799
Gotta agree with second anon, Baelish is loyal to no one by himself. In fact, the people he cares about the most arguably suffer more by his hands than his enemies.
If I recall correctly he was involved in the murder of Jon Arryn, and the murder of Joffrey. I genuinely don't think he intended for Ned to die at King's Landing, but he did want him sent to The Wall, if not killed later on. That was after telling Ned to his face not to trust him. He also tells Varys to his face that he lusts for the Iron Throne and (famously) that 'chaos is a ladder'. I don't think he was truly fond of Lysa, but he kills her with his own hands. Catelyn is the woman he loved his whole life, and a byproduct of the chaos he caused was her watching her eldest son die while her throat is slit. That's worse than Ned got by a country mile. He sells Sansa, his next possessive love, to the third creepiest and probably most sadistic freak in all of Westeros, where she is abused in every way imaginable.
Jason doesn't know all of that. But he will know that /no one/ likes Petyr Baelish except Catelyn Stark and Lysa Arryn, and no one trusts him except Catelyn Stark and sometimes Lysa Arryn. He will know that Petyr is transparently slimey, petty, and patronizing to anyone that has a conversation with him. It'd be quite reasonable for him to never be curious about a friendship with the guy, and we're better for it.
He is probably gonna rock our shit in the intrigue arena though. He'll be a pretty horrific enemy at some point I suspect. That's cool though, game wouldn't be fun otherwise. I low-key do hope Bronn ends up with him and he makes better plays and actually ends up being an endgame antagonist for us. Using our architism to be the first to infiltrate the Eyrie would be extremely cool and fitting.
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Whose character is everyone's favorite, just for small talk? You too, QM, you ain't getting outta this. Personally, gotta say Jaime. He's got some depth to him and he goes through a lot of shit and I find it really interesting. Here's hoping he has a better fate this go round.
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>>6390805
>Nobody likes him
That's not true as far as I remember. Little finger explicitly is very well liked for 2 reasons, he throws money around like a lannister for celebrations and he is always happy to offer a debt.
Show little finger is seen through but book Little finger manipulates everyone by being pleasant and not letting his mask slip
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You had not initially wanted to go, by the seven you had wanted to agree with your father that it was a foolish idea, an elaborate suicide. You had no reason to go, and you had every reason to try and forestall your uncle in his mad quest. You had dug up histories and record of Old Valyria, legend and hear say and rumors on what the doomed old empire held within.
While you studied, Asha would on occasion leave port on her Cog, disappearing for days or even a few weeks, before suddenly returning. She would share what she heard of old Valyria with you from other sailors, while unloading cargo from Essos that you were certain she did not acquire in Essos. Her sailors were quiet on the matter, though they seemed to be paid well, more than you thought Asha’s allowance would cover. You valued the information though, and your Lady wife’s happiness, so you did not ask questions or accuse.
Legends of deadly creature, of things hidden in the fog and smoke, of sounds, and of all the people who never returned. It had claimed armies, it had claimed your ancestor, and it had killed Aerea Targaryen.
That had stopped your thoughts. The princess had died, not disappeared. She had returned in Balerion, alive, and landed at Kings landing. The Maesters tried to save her, but fiery creatures, seemingly parasites from the Doom, had found their way inside her. Logically this should have discouraged you further, however that was evidence to the contrary, evidence that the Doom was not guaranteed death. So you dug further.
A dragon lord and his army disappeared, yet on closer inspection you found references to their armor being found in the free cities. All who ventured into the fog died, yet you found scattered accounts of local customs near the doom for burying recovered bodies. Most telling, the one that shattered the idea that the Doom was impenetrable, was Arch Maester Marwyn uncovering a single scrap of paper. Written in high Valyrian, on Vellum that shined like gold, was a description on how to use Dragon egg shells as a medicine. Most of the process required context and understanding of Valyrian alchemy neither you or Marwyn had any hope to know, but that sheet of paper had been brought back by a Maester twenty years after the conquest, and it had been filed away for safe keeping until Marwyn took it to study and protect.
The journey was possible. The journey was survivable. And that had laid the foundation for you switching your opinion.
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>>6390985
The brickwork was done by other things. You would be forced to return to Casterly rock soon, where you and Asha would once more be under the watcher gaze and thumb of your Father as he attempted to mold you into the Heir he desired, and punish you when you did not match the shape. Lady Asha would lose her freedom, forced to be the proper lady expected of the wife of a Westerosi Lord, her freedom taken and her time in the sea likely gutted. Casterly Rock would become a prison, one that you might not survive after experiencing the freedom of Oldtown.
In addition, Tysha and Tyrion would be expected to return with you, placing them both at risk of discovery, a disastrous outcome as even now you had to work with Asha to curtail the passion of your twin when he was lost in his love. The fact that Sandor Clegane had not seen fit to speak on the matter to your father was a blessing you could never repay, one that had earned respect from you and Asha.
Finally, there was the final piece. The mortar that held it all together. If you went back home, you would be a failure again. No accomplishment you could claim would be enough, it would be just short of the bare minimum. And the things that sparked passion in you would remain failings to correct in the eyes of Tywin Lannister.
You had earned acclaim in Oldtown, respect, friendships with the Hightower children as fellow knights and men who respected and pursued knowledge. More than once did you wake from a dream disappointed to remember you were a Lannister and not a Hightower.
So, you eventually broached the subject with Asha. You asked her what she thought of your mad idea to follow your uncle, to go against the wisdom of the world and brave the doom of Old Valyria.
She rested on your arm, both of you sharing the covers in her bed upon her Cog, the Iron Lion. The name was a small jab at both hers and your cultures, and it had stuck. She held your hand as you stared up at the ceiling of her quarters, the gentle sway of the sea a welcome and calming thing to you now. “So you want us to die?” She asked, not as an accusation but as a genuine question.
You shook your head “No…I intend to return with you. To…claim a victory, to do something that maybe only I can do, only we can do…” you said, partly to convince her and partly to convince yourself. “All my life, I’ve never been able to claim a victory or a great accomplishment, not without it being not enough, or not important, or frivolous, or wasteful.”
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>>6390987
“What about your towers? Your defense idea? It was really good, monumental even. It’ll fend off Ironborn raids for centuries, only the combined Ironfleet might be able to counter it.”
“Yes, and I thank you so much for seeing its value…But my father, he doesn’t see the point. He…” you let out a tired, beaten down sigh “He moved the knights I set up, he shifted funds away from paying the signal fire keepers…he left it all standing, but now is there only in name. A false shield to make the smallfolk think it still remains while my Lord Father focuses on increasing the hold he has in the realm or securing his interests. I have no doubts that if an Ironborn raid were to come, it would slip through, and my father would use that as reason enough to dismantle the project entirely, blaming me for the failure.”
Asha was silent, merely pressing herself closer to you and laying her head beneath your chin.
“If I were to return from Old Valyria Alive, hells if I could bring something back, then no one could deny that victory. No man in the seven kingdoms could say anything but praise for that accomplishment, that the lowliest Lion managed to accomplish what Dragons and their Lords could not do.” You clenched a fist, and imagined it “No matter what my Lord Father could say, he could never take that from me, and he would never be able to speak against it for fear of what the realm would say. He would have to use my victory.” You said, your voice becoming firm, then your face fell.
Asha slid up and placed a kiss on your cheek, you turning your neck to press your forehead to hers. “If we die, we’ll just be another group of idiots, another batch of fools who could not leave well enough alone. We would become a new cautionary tale, and your father would curse your name as a incompetent failure for all time.” She said, staring into your eyes. Hers were dark pools, portals into abyss beneath the waves while yours shone like green fields.
“…yes…” you said, the weight of the statement settling on him “…It would be smarter to steel myself, and endure until my father dies. Perhaps stress will take him, then we can have the rock all to ourselves. Perhaps we only have to wait but a few years, maybe a decade…” you said, preparing yourself for that, settling the matter in your mind so that you could prepare yourself for your coming duties as the Lannister heir.
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>>6390989
“Seven Hells fine, you’ve convinced me. We’ll follow your damn uncle.” Asha said, growling into your neck “would rather be dead than in chains, and your father knows how to make chains from just his glares and words…”
You looked down to her “I wasn’t trying t-“
“Damn it I know, god you are insufferable. You have no idea the weight of your own words.” She said, closing her eyes and grumpily pulling the covers tighter over you both “And you have accomplished plenty…more than any other Greenlander could be expected to do.” She said, pinching you when you tried to reply, you simply closed your eyes and chose to sleep, wrapping your arms around her.
After that, you broached the idea with your uncle, who refused outright. Your uncle forbade you to come, stating that the mere idea makes him worry for your sanity. He said that he was a fourth son, and he could do this because he had both the experience with Essos and its mysteries as well as because he ultimately was not integral to House Lannister. He promised not to mention your idea to your father, and told you to stay and ensure the Rock is ready for his eventual return.
You elected to ignore this and began preparations.using a bit of funds from your own investments, as well as Asha’s “Mystery” funds, you assembled a proper chest for your plan, one you and your Twin had figured out.
Tyrion would not be going into the Smoking Sea with you, and he laughed in your face when you hinted at the idea. He then tried to talk you out of the idea, stating “The world is a dark enough place with you in it, I don’t much care for the idea of it without you.”
Ultimately though you convinced him of your mission, enough for him to accept it and work to plan a means of improving your odds. Tyrion would be staying in Volantis, on paper to help secure Lannister deals and interests in the city but to also serve as a hub for the expedition, a place that they could supply, rally around, and recover if the expedition took longer, multiple trips, or failed with survivors. Off the record though, Tyrion planned to marry Tysha there and set up a home, at least for a time. He had grown tired of treating Tysha like a secret, and this was the best way to finally do what he had been wanting to. He would hear no argument, stating that Volantis was beyond your father’s grasp, where a man with coin and cunning could carve out a refuge. He stated that if you died he would remain there for the rest of his life, and if you returned he would stay there until Tywin could not threaten his wife or children.
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>>6390991
The news of you being an uncle had been a cause of celebration, one you kept to the Iron Lion with only you, Asha, Tyrion, The Hightower boys, and Tysha. Sandor knew of the party, but refused to step onto the boat to both maintain his own plausible deniability as well as the small space on the ocean. So you gave him a bonus, some fine wine, and told him to find some joy for himself. You’re not sure if he did, but the coin and wine were gone by the time you returned so you took that as good news.
Afterwards it was a matter of waiting. You found reason to stay in OldTown, using the cover of working on trade deals as well as selling stone from the Westerlands to Old Town to repair and expand the city. So Uncle Gerion came to you, stopping by Oldtown before setting off further.
There you drank, partied, and shared each others company as if it would be your last chance, Gerion not saying anything of the possibility he would disappear on this journey and you not saying anything about how you would accompany him.
After a week, he set out. After a day, you went after him.
Your party consisted of Asha, Yourself, Tyrion, Tysha, Sandor Clegane (who would be useless while at sea it seemed), as well as Ser Humfrey Hightower and a young summer island girl he had become infatuated with, Humfrey being the youngest of the Hightower sons and equal to you in age.
Sandor Clegane came because his orders were to watch over you and ensure your safety, but also because had he stayed your father might have blamed him for your departure so he chose to go. You promised him a Valyrion steel weapon as reward if you survived, with Sandor saying that he’d take extra gold for his trouble instead.
Ser Humfrey Hightower came because he was the fourth and youngest son of a family with plenty of heirs and knights. As a fellow fourth son, even if you were an Heir, you could relate and had found common ground, even if he was far more martially inclined.
His lady love was interested in seeing more of the world, and a chance to visit Essos was something she greatly desired. She was quick to make friends with Tysha and you found her intelligence a welcome thing. While Humfrey and Asha dueled in their off times, you and Rella carried on in conversation. You found she was even sister to a Maester in training you had met, Alleras.
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>>6390992
Asha left behind the crew she had been given, paying them extra to have them take longer going home or find their way, as she didn’t trust them to not betray you and her to Tywin. So you, Tyrion, Asha, Humfrey, and Tysha all worked together to sail the ship.
So you all sailed, an adventure of a lifetime that took you further and further from the Rock. You cut through the water, taking in the sun and sea spray, enjoying fine company and conversation, all while you Watched Asha bloom behind the wheel of a ship.
Then, came a complication.
“We have ships incoming, fast and angry…They’re flying the Martell flag!” Tyrion called down from the crows nest, staying up there for now as he would struggle to descend quickly.
Asha cursed and looked out “Damn it, they hid in the rocks and waited for us to pass. We got more ahead of us blocking the way. They knew we were coming!”
The noise caused Sandor to step onto the deck, weapon at the ready, and even though he seemed miserable he seemed equally ready to kill.
Humfrey looked at the ships, trying to gauge the threat before looking back “Think we could surrender? If they’re Martell men, then as Lords they should respect our passage.”
>Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding. The Cog is built to be difficult to board and you have Asha, Sandor, and Ser Humfrey ready to defend.
>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
>Other
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>>6390995
Are we flying the lanister flag?
Yeah we can't stop. They're gonna wanna kill us, and if they close we can just immediately jump to defence.
They want us dead, and telling them we are going to old valeria probably won't satisfy them.
>Head to dangerous waters.
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>>6390995
>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
I must imagine that if anyone knows how to flee authorities on a boat, it's an Ironborn.
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>>6390995
>>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
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>>6390184
Ah really ? Only one ship ?
Then this expedition is probably far harder than it could be. Two ships, then. The one of our Uncle, and the Iron Lion. And we will have a discussion with Gerion, once we surprise him at Valyria coasts. A rough start. But we can improve slightly our odds along the way, in the different coastal cities of Western Essos.
>>6390995
>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
Ships from behind and in front ? Did they see or intercept, the ship of Uncle Gerion ? Eitherway they where ready here. Someone from the southern dornish coastline, must have alerted them of two Lannister ships passing by. And there is a good chance they know of this waters, and if not the Martells sailors and marines, their salt dornish bannermen would know of how to move here. Having them in the Martell ships would be smart and simply practical.
Our father infamous actions prove troublesome and dangerous.
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>>6390995
>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
>>6390999
I'm a retard. I get that the Martells want us dead, but for what reason in particular? Just an easy opportunity to cripple the Lannisters? Or something specific?
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>>6391037
Tywin ordered the Mountain to kill Elia Martell and her children, at least one of whom was an infant. He took it further, because his job is walking War Crime, and raped her before killing her. Tywin did not discipline him for any part of this because he got what he wanted and places a premium on being feared.
Martell's may want to kill us at sea for a few reasons.
>They don't know we're the heir, they just see a Lannister ship and want to plunder it, kill the crew, and scuttle the ship so it seems to have disappeared.
>They know we are the heir and they know that Tywin/Gerion aren't aware of our following the expedition, meaning they could kill us/sink us as above and we'd seemed to have disappeared.
>They know we're the heir and don't know about the expedition and just see an opportunity to get even away from where Tywin's notice.
It's possible if they boarded and saw who they were they would just shake us down for gold rather than risk a real civil war, if they don't already know it's Jason. It's possible they want to take us prisoner in order to humiliate Tywin in some fashion.
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>>6391037
Tywin Lannister ordered the death of Elia Martell and her children, who were the children of Rhaegar and thus claimants to Robert’s throne. He ordered their death in order to make the king owe him a debt so he could profit on Robert’s victory politically.
However, he sent The Mountain and Armory Lorch, two turbo evil dudes. Elia Martell and her children died savagely, The young daughter stabbed over twenty times by Amory lorch, while the mountain swung the infant son into a wall head first.
Elia herself was raped and then killed.
Elia was the sister of Doren and Oberyn Martell, the heads of the Martell noble family. Their desire for revenge is massive and is the center point of basically any plot line connected to Dorne.
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>>6390995
>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
>message flag them the lyrics of the rains of Castemere if we make it out.
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>>6391037
Its not about Jason, Tyrion or Gerion. Or crippling Lannister ships and sea trade.
Its about retribution for the crimes ordered by Tywin. With what Tywin did he started a cold war between House Lannister and House Martell. One that has not gone hot yet, because of several reasons.
Usually Dorne doesn't really concern much with Westeros beside trade and noble affairs. They of course have their wars sure (be in Westeros, or the few attempts they made at taking the Stepstones), and the stone dornish vassals (infamous Vulture kings) often do small skirmishes/raids against reach lords or stormlander lords (marcher lords). But this goes a bit beyond the usual wars, its also Tywin fault.
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>>6391040
>while the mountain swung the infant son into a wall head first.
Forgot about that detail.
There is a direct thread between this and Joffrey beheading Ned.
The brutality just goes unchecked until it foams up around the Lannisters ear and drowns them.
Let's not become an early casualty of that if we can help it...
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>>6390995
Very important question to QM what flag does our ship bear?
>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
Cause if we bear the Lannister flags, we are fucked. If it's whatever flag Asha has been using, they would know better her and assume Jason and Tyrion are still in Old Town. Given she has been pirating, she would have been using several. No pirate ever bears a single flag. If its Asha's flag, we can likely get away with a meeting so long as we hide. It wouldn't be the first time she ran into them.
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Good to know Asha kept pirating and Tyrion intends to stay behind...wait even after we come back? Oh no, we won't have anyone to counter Asha! Tyrion, you were my only hope! Of course Tywin sabotages Jason despite how beneficial it would have been to keep his setup and revolutionary the designs were. Fucking hell.
>>6390865
Male characters its Eddard and Jon Snow. Yes, I'm a sucker for honorable characters despite how much Martin has a hateboner for them.
For female characters its Asha and Brienne because Tomboy Supremacy.
>>6391056
I mean right now. The one they saw. Has Asha been uh 'suppressing' other reavers or no? Since that is a thing they do to 'recruit' each other.
Also one thing I wanna point out to you as a QM is in game excuse for Asha avoiding pregnancy. In canon, she doesn't have fertility problems, hence her expertise with moon tea given her high libido and honest albeit thoughtful sexual habits.
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>>6391054
Reach is in a weird position towards us. As Olenna is currently kicking herself in the ass over missing out on Jason. The truth behind events at the feast and tournament would have flown over everyone else's heads but hers. We hanging out with the Hightowers would also have won over her daughter in law. Olenna must be bitter as fuck now and blaming her son who has no fucking idea why she and his wife are being especially naggy for no reason at all ESPECIALLY bitchy whenever Jason gets brought up after when he was turned out for Margaery. He keeps on drooling over Jeoffry and keeps getting shut down. HARD.
Olenna never liked Tywin but Jason is a VERY different story. The women of Tyrell control its politics, given how martially inclined their men are(which to be fair, they ARE great at...and suck absolute balls at intrigue). Much to the bitter complaint and long regret of Olenna for...how long now? At least since her husband, if not longer. Apparently, it's a longstanding problem of theirs. Anyway, the Reach despises Tywin and was made outright enemies to the Lannisters through Cersei. Jason's actions funnily enough made them reconsider their stance. Officially they would be like any other nobles, especially the notoriously prickly Reach, but in the backrooms, the women rule there and Olenna would have seen right through Jason. Olenna is the one who truly controls the Tyrells. It's why Tyrion and Tywin ignore everyone else among the Tyrells and only seriously consider Olenna's opinions.
Tyrell men are disgusted by our conduct and laughing at Jason. Tyrell women are sitting there seething jelly as fuck at Asha while desperately plotting to see who can snatch Jason's heirs. Even Olenna isn't out of that particular ring.
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K in that case switching from >>6391055
>>6390995
to >Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding. The Cog is built to be difficult to board and you have Asha, Sandor, and Ser Humfrey ready to defend.
Make sure to hide the two Lannisters below deck. Having Sandor on deck isn't a surprise whatsoever on account of keeping Asha from escaping so that won't be suspicious. I would rather not make the Martells suspicious. That would be extremely bad especially with how scheming they are and how much they hate Lannister guts for great reason.
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>>6391070
>Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding. The Cog is built to be difficult to board and you have Asha, Sandor, and Ser Humfrey ready to defend.
Make it easier to count. My bad.
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>>6391055
>It wouldn't be the first time she ran into them.
Buddy we can't possibly assume that.
>>6391059
>wait even after we come back?
Just until we have established enough of a power bloc/influence that Tywin can't make him miserable, it'll be ok.
>As Olenna is currently kicking herself in the ass over missing out on Jason.
Source?
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>>6391070
>It's why Tyrion and Tywin ignore everyone else among the Tyrells and only seriously consider Olenna's opinions.
Wait seriously did I miss an update or something? When did we interact with Olenna or any of the Tyrell's at all?
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>>6391087
Ok, thanks for clarifying. I really like that anon's enthusiasm but I have noticed he has jumped to a lot of conclusions about what's going on in-game and stated them as fact, and given the volume of replies I think it can be a bit confusing about what's going on.
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On the one hand, if Sandor, Tyrion, Asha and Jason hide, buddy Humfrey could act like the captain of the vessel and might be able to get away with only paying a tithe or extortion. On the other hand, they might just try to kidnap the dudes. Which would lead to a fight with us already boarded or at least in close enough proximity to a boarding. If they find out Jason and Tyrion are on the ship they're just gonna go whole ham in trying to put us into a bag, black or body they'd be fine with either.
On the other hand, we could sail out into bad waters with a ship that is not perfectly suited to it whereas their ships are probably a bit quicker and lighter. We'd be relying on Asha's admittedly astounding captaincy in that regard and we don't even need to get away, just make the pursuers think it's too much of a pain in the ass to try and catch us.
I would prefer to get out of this without giving up any of our supplies or money for future supplies. But there is also the write in option of throwing some amount of loot or goods overboard while sailing away and hope they grab it and just ignore us.
>>6390995
>>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
Fuck it we ball. Note to self, mount upsized arbalests to the upper deck to put holes in people, or to launch chains to put holes in sails in the future.
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>>6390995
>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
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>>6390995
>Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding.
It's a close call, but it would be more engaging story-wise to understand why they've decided to ambush us. Might Asha have previously caused them a lot of trouble?
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I just saw this AI video on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5SpeTHtcxw
The first 5 minutes are relevant, but then it goes off in a different direction where the boy becomes a logistics clerk.
However, the comments section is interesting. It has a lot of relevant fan analysis on how things might have played out if Tywin had a 3rd son like Jason
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>>6390995
>Weigh Anchor and parley with the ships, ready to defend against boarding. The Cog is built to be difficult to board and you have Asha, Sandor, and Ser Humfrey ready to defend.
We have only bad options here, going into their own waters and hoping we somehow outmaneuver them there and they have no backup is tenuous.
By choosing to engage far from the coast at least we're certain one of the two ships will get out of this intact by their own plan (jumping ship near Dorne is near certain death for us but not them!).
We definitely should however not be the one to parley so as to gauge their reaction and see if they know we're onboard.
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>>6391236
I fully agree the best case is better if we go through the coastal waters and lose them that way.
However we actually run the risk of dying or worse if we do it by drowing or being stranded in Dorne.
Risking a boarding at least give us the certainty that one of the two ships and crews will win out, if it's ours we get to carry on our journey, if it's theirs we'll probably get saved and humiliated by Tywin.
Even if the Martells have a score to settle with the Lannisters, attempting the murder the heir of the Hand and a Greyjoy in the process would be a bridge too far in term of diplomatic incidents so they'd not attempt it unless they're certain to succeed and maintain secrecy.
Relying on our familly name suck but if it gets us in trouble we may as well use it to get us out of trouble too if push comes to shove.
If it's just one ship I seriously think we could make them reconsider on the basis that they in failure risk far more than our life is worth.
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>>6390995
>Sail into more dangerous waters to avoid them, the southern coast of Dorne is full of Reefs and rocks, whirlpools and other dangers. With Asha’s leadership and everyone helping, you might pull ahead. Though the Dornish may also know these waters.
It's too bad we don't have a 'yellow flag' to show we have disease on board. Maybe psyche them out by approaching and having Tyrion fool them by begging for a doctor and medication to treat the ill sailors of the ship. Naval trickery would be fun.
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>>6391245
Faster ships can't do much of anything against a Cog i'm pretty sure.
Maintaining secrecy on something like this is actually pretty hard, so I'm assuming the situation if someone is aware we're onboard that everyone isn't informed of it.
Having multiple ships board ours would run a risk for them not of having us escape because we'd obviously die, but of having people eventually reveal how we died.
Hence why I think they won't simply swarm us, they'd have to kill everyone involved in the secret or somehow hope 3 digits of sailors who drink every night somehow keep the secret.
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>>6391258
They could set our ship on fire. Force us into the drink and scoop us out. That is if we put up too much of a fight against the initial boarders and they decide to back off. And you can still capture someone who is resisting without killing them. Especially if you have numbers on your side. Jason isn't a good enough fighter on his own that he could not be subdued relatively safely by a mass of men. Sandor and Asha are too dangerous to try and take hostage through physical means, maybe Humphrey as well, so they'd probably be killed if they fought too hard instead of them trying to capture them.
The easiest thing they could do if they are here because they know it's Jason and Tyrion on the boat would be to set the ship on fire. Or at least the sails. Which they could do if they got close enough to speak and parlay. If you're within shouting range on open sea, you're in range of bows and crossbows. If they don't know it's Jason and Tyrion on this boat, they probably would just be trying to rob the ship. Which would still be rather not great, because they would likely still want to board the ship to loot it.
The best case scenario is that they aren't here to rob the ship or attack it at all, and are instead looking for pirates or warning of something nearby. Which is less likely in my eyes.
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>>6391262
Also i've not entertained the possibility much but there is also a very slim possibility that these aren't Martell ships at all.
It'd not be entirely impossible that Tywin kept a tighter leash on the risk of Asha's escaping and that this is it.
As to the risk inherent to the situation there is no question that if they came with the intent to sink us and make no secret of it we're fucked, you can't exactly outrun a fleet forever.
However them ambushing us in this manner seem to indicate they're interested in doing more than merely sending us under and that they do want to board us.
So really there's 4 possibility (in my humble terrible opinion):
1. They know we're here and want us alive
2. They aren't sure we're here and want us alive
3. They're not targetting us in particular just our flag and this is racketeering (they make more money by letting us go and taxing us again)
4. They want the ship
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I don't like the idea of going to dangerous waters but also letting them board us is a good idea either, unless we try to make it like one anon said and have Jason and Tyrion hide in the ship.
The only excuse I can come up with is to say that Asha and Sandor were hired by Humfrey, who came with his lady friend and Tysha as a "servant" of them. If things start to heat up Jason can come out and put a stop to all, saying something like "I'm the actual heir of Tywin, if you plan to do something the Martell won't only have to deal with my family but also to the Hightowers, who knows fairly well of where are we heading"
The only other option I can think of is to go straight towards one of the ships that are in front of us full force, make distance with the ship on the back, and when we have a save distance try to maneuver around the first ship that comes to us and keep going forward. If we can cross them they will take time to turn around + they can't climb up to the Cog without falling from the boat. It all comes to see if Asha can win the mental game against the other ship and get the faint, or we clash and get into this mess.
Other option would be to stop, hide, everyone takes their hands up, and the first one that tries to board us we take them as prisoners.
Or we go ham and we use Jason training of lifting wood planks and we throw off the Martell's from their boat (and possibly end up stabbed or hurt).
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>>6391264
>you can't exactly outrun a fleet forever.
Surprisingly you can. Or rather you don't have to. They need supplies just as much as we do, and if they are smaller vessels they likely have less space in the hold. And if they are out seeking plunder they definitely have less supplies since they would want more free space for possible loot. They will only chase so long as they think they can make a return trip without starving or going thirsty. We don't need to outrun them, we just need to keep enough space for long enough that it simply isn't worth chasing. And if they break off to resupply that's the end of it, they lose sight of us and we're as good as gone. There is no real way to track us and they can't have live coordinated communications to call a fresh ship to keep visual on us while the others get food and water. Limited by the times they are.
If they aren't specifically hunting for Jason and Tyrion, they'd probably quickly give up. If they WERE here for us, they would be more dogged, which would give us the knowledge that we should be ready to kill them without question.
I do think it's more likely that they are pirates of some description, just because the only people who should know we're out here are the Hightowers and Tywin via raven from the Hightowers. As well as lowborn gossip about our ship having left. Which shouldn't have been able to reach Dorne before we made this much headway. And certainly not so fast as to prepare a few ships to catch us specifically. They probably do want the ship or the cargo and are just doing GAYOPS with Martell colors. But there is always the possibility that they really are proper bannermen and not pirates. Can't discount it.
It's a tricky spot, innit? Sure is fishy on the sea lmao
>>6391265
If we had a more nimble vessel it probably would be pretty funny to SWERVE these motherfuckers like that. I don't know if a cog has quite the same kind of sauce to dance around ships like that.
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Seeing the golden spear piercing the red sun on orange, your mind went back to the end of the rebellion, to the day your father showed the realm his ruthlessness. Two children, brutalized and killed, and their mother defiled, broken, then culled all to then be presented like hunted game to King Robert. It had been a ploy to place the king in Tywin’s debt, to secure Robert’s throne from any of Rhaegar’s children but more damning was to make it so Robert owed your father for letting him stay a hero. Because heroes do not murder children, they only let those who do go unpunished. You remembered the disgust you felt when you heard that, thirteen years old and forced to realize your father was worse than you imagined. Force to look at the eradication of the Reynes and Tarbecks as something other than a footnote in history, as a slaughter of women and children. He may not have killed all of the Tarbecks, but you knew if Armory Lorch had been there, the rumor of a survivor was false, just another corpse at the bottom of a well or such.
“May my father burn in the seven hells!” You shouted out in anger, drawing everyone’s attention, alarming Tyrion and making Rella cover her mouth in shock “His damn Ruthlessness, his sins…We have to run,” you said, turning to Asha with a grave expression “The Martells have justice to enact, and I do not know what they might do with the Heir to the Rock, but… I cannot risk all of you, but my chance to keep my promise to Tyrion and perhaps fix my father’s mistakes.” You said, moving with purpose. “Tyrion, call out anything you see that could be a threat to Asha, Asha my love, do you think you can sail through more dangerous waters and lose them?”
“The southern coast of Dorne is a nightmare of rocks, cliffs, whirlpools, krakens, all the other foul trials the drowned god thought to shit out!” Asha called back, already turning her wheel towards the dangerous waters.
“Then it should be no issue for a true Ironborn reaver.” You said with a smile, before turning “Ser Humfrey, Sandor, you lot and I will follow every order to the letter, we have strength and speed, you two more than I, if we trust Asha, we’ll get through this.” You said, meeting Humfrey’s gaze and sharing a nod with him, before looking to the Hound “You’re brother is a piece of shit and if we get back to Casterly Rock alive you’re gonna behead him.” You said in rage.
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Sandor gave a smile and nodded, before getting to work. You spared a glance back to the ships, and saw their sails unfurl as they made ready to pursue you into the waters, their hulls slimmer and closer to the water, faster ships likely to abide by the Dornish love of hit and run tactics.
They also had the advantage of these being their waters, and thus they cut through with frightening speed. However, there were two advantages you had that would make it difficult for them to catch you.
First was the design of the Cog itself. It was a fat ungraceful thing in most regards, made to dance a dance it was never meant to by Asha. It would be hard to board with its high sides, and hard to approach from the sides due to its width, as it would limit the other ships room to maneuver around the hazards of the Dornish sea.
Second was Asha Greyjoy, the future Lady Lannister, was captaining this ship with three strong and intelligent men and an eagle eyed dwarf. You had faith in this crew, that if you failed to escape the dornish would not find an easy hostage of you.
“Lady Tysha, Lady Rella, please go down below where it is safe. We will call you when the danger has passed you said, removing your fine shirt so that you could focus on working rather than sweating or getting caught. Tysha did just that, however Rella tied her hair up and began to help with the lines, helping furl the say part way to give Asha more control.
“I fear I’ll have to refuse Lord Jason, because you’ll need more than one lady who knows the sea to get through this.”
You looked at Rella and made ready to argue, only for her to smile “My mother is the captain of the Feathered Kiss, I know more about sailing than anyone else here besides Lady Asha. Now, get to work!” She called out, and you did as you were ordered.
Asha let out a laugh as she watched you follow Her and Rella’s orders, Rella taking the role of first mate and Asha as captain rather easily. As the Iron Lion tipped and swung, hugging or crashing through the waves as Tyrion, Asha, and Rella shouted orders, you and Humfrey found yourselves both holding a rope to keep the sail in place.
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“Where did you find your Lady Love Ser Humfrey? she’s more than just the sister of a maester!” You called out, a smile on your lips at the thrill of the situation.
“In a pub! Where did you meet Lady Asha? She’s a terror that rivals the sea!” Humfrey answered back, his own smile on his face.
You could have said the truth, that you met her when she was dragged to the rock as a trophy. But then you remembered when you and her kissed each other’s cheeks with your fists, and let out a laugh you would imagine the King himself would belt “In a Tavern!”
The Iron Lion battered it’s way through the sea, with the shouts of Tyrion raining down for every sandbarge, discolored patch of water, or concerning current. He was no sailor, but he was observant. Asha listened and filtered the threats out, trusting Rella to catch any she missed as she spat out orders. The dornish sea crashed against the ship, sending water into the deck and drenching you, Humfrey, and Sandor, yet you pushed onward.
“DORNISH SKIFF OFF PORT!” Tyrion shouted, you catching a glimps of the white sails of the Dornish vessel.
“Hard to port, everyone!” Cried out Asha, turning the wheel.
“Wait what, n-“ Rella began to say with wide eyes, before there was a slam as the much larger, much heavier, and much clumsier Cog slammed into the side of the Dornish ship. There was a crunch of wood, and the Dornish sales fell away.
Asha let out a laugh “They’re running, they’ve lost their hunger now that they’ve bled!” Asha said, cackling as she turned the ship,
Rella flew to the side and looked back at the ship, her eyes switching emotions before she looked down to the side of the Iron Lion “The hull held firm Captain, this bitch is a tough one.”
Asha laughed, slapping her ship wheel as she nodded “Damn right she is, she’s too much woman for these light weights.”
“Captain, the second ship is gaining, they’re cutting through our wake. It looks like they mean to board!” Tyrion called out, saying all he saw from his glance back before looking ahead once more.
“Oh, they’re clever. If we hadn’t seen them they could have climbed up the back or through my room.” Asha said, letting out a growl as she shifted the wheel in time to dodge a rock. “These Damned Dornish.” She said, trying to think of a plan.
“If these sandy cunts want to ride your ass, you might as well bring it to them.” Sandor said, doing the job of two men.
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“What do y…that’s a risky play there Hound, it might just get us stuck.”
“I’m no sailor, but I know what it’s like to chase someone. If you are stupid, you assume they’ll keep running until you knock’em down. They never expect to get punched for it.”
Asha nodded, then shouted “Drop anchor, furl the sails! Let’s give them ramming speed!”
You and the men questioned nothing, only acted. Rella made to argue, but Asha shouted down “Question my orders again Rella and you’ll either get thrown in the sea or the brig, whichever Jason stops me from doing last!”
In a flurry of motion, the Iron Lion used the full might of its clumsy, fate, inelegant design, and became a rock that the Dornish ship slammed against. The ship managed to turn at the last second, the crunch of wood and scraping being heard before the Dornish ship careened off to a rock and slammed into it, beaching itself and stranding the men there.
You all cheered, watching the men on the Dornish ship scramble to bring survivors and supplies from the sinking portions of the ship.
After looking over the damage, you found that Asha had planned the impact well, or just got lucky. The bulbous backside of the cog had kept the Dornish skiff from colliding with anything important, and though there was a sizable dent in the side of the ship, it was above the water line and Asha was sure it would hold until they made it past Dorne.
You and Humfrey cheered and clasped hands, men who had done fine work, while Sandor stood close by, scowling a little less.
Meanwhile, Rella stood on the ropes looking out at the crashed Dornish ship “Captain Asha, they are waving a white flag, they’re requesting Parlay!” She said, looking unwell as she came down “We should help them, if we leave them there many might die before they are rescued.”
“Fuck’em.” Said Asha and Sandor in unison, smirking at each other before Asha continued “They chased us, they lay the price. I’m not bringing them aboard just so they can stab me in the back.”
Humfrey stepped forward “Lady Asha, Sandor, I realize they were our enemies but we cannot be so cruel as the abandon them, especially when they request parlay and surrender. We must save them. If they are truley Martell men, we can discover their intent and perhaps broker some peace, perhaps find safe passage ahead from future attacks.”
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Tyrion managed to finally descend from the crows nest, Tysha helping him do so with some modicum of grace “While I fear them all the same, and want to support Lady Asha’s practical plan, the real issue is the damage to our vessel. I do not doubt Lady Asha’s assessment, but I assume that is under the assumption of ideal conditions.” He said, noting Asha not meeting his eyes at that “If we wish to get repairs, we should stack the deck in our favor and save these men. The Martells may hate us Lannisters, but families cherish their loved ones being returned.”
The discussion continued, with Lady Rella, Tyrion, and Humfrey arguing for saving the stranded Dornishman. Asha, Lady Tysha, and Sandor argued to leave them there and let fate decide. You were the tie breaker.
What do you do?
>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.
>Abandon the dornismen. They are not your responsibility and you did not want to risk contact with them. You would just have to hope the ships damage held and the trip to the next non-Dornish port remained Ideal.
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>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.
Make it very clear that attempting to take advantage of our good nature will just end up with them back in the sea.
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>>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.
>Make sure to steal the Martell flag from the ship's ruin
If we're flying their flag we might be able to fool them into not fucking with us at port or along the way if we so choose at some point, just to have in the backburner. We can fly Hightower colors and have Humphrey and Rella pretend to be in charge while Tyrion, Sandor and Jason try to remain hidden. Jason and Sandor at least can wear helmets or something to cover their faces if need be. Tyrion just needs to stay out of sight. Asha could get away with whatever she needs to do, stay hidden or just bullshit in broad daylight. Claim the damage to the ship was from trying to rescue the Dornishmen rather than ramming them to shit. As long as we don't wind up in the same port any others from this encounter wind up at we'd be gucci. If repairs aren't urgently needed upon closer inspection at port we should definitely just move on to safer waters before getting patched up. Or do some quick and dirty shit just to make sure it's good enough before getting fully fixed outside of Dorne.
Now I'm also wondering if perhaps we should ask Asha if she'd like to design a new ship that better suits her needs. I think it would probably come out more like a Caravel than a Cog or Carrack. A Caravel type ship would be more nimble than a cog, and a LOT faster. At the expense of some of its cargo hold. It would be less nimble than Ironborn longships, but it would be substantially larger, and faster with the wind behind it than the longships. With Lannister money backing her, and potential loot besides, it would probably be doable if we also paired her with a maester that knew about boats. Or if she's actually as acquainted with shipbuilding as much as she is with ship sailing she probably wouldn't need a nerd to help her along. But those are questions for the future.
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>>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.
Lannisters and debts, etc. etc.
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>>6391427
Ok let's not sail into a port where we probably are even less safe than onboard an unsafe ship, but let's also not leave people out to die. Taking the flag is a great idea.
>Other:
>Bring the survivor onboard and bring them to shore two day's march from the nearest village or port.
>Do take the flag if possible.
That way saving them doesn't necessitate us to do as Tyrion said, even if it's obvious he's trying to give us a logical argument to throw at Asha and Sandor, it'd be very reckless to return prisonners ourselves with our ship in port.
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>>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.
Just tie them up, Sail by a Dorn port and cut them loose one by one and push em off so they can swim to saftey.
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>>Bring the survivors on board and bring them to the closest port. Honor demands it, and the Lannisters have treated Dorne with enough dishonor that you did not need to add to it.
This lion is built different
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Wait... how many of them are there?
If there's too many to fit onboard our boat, maybe we just take a few of them so that they can tell people where the stranded sailors are, and find Dornish help to do a proper rescue on their own, without us.
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Yeah shit that's a good idea to just dump em somewhere "close enough". Damn why didn't I think of that? I mean I'd still like to get the ship looked at ASAP but that would definitely save us headache of having to deal with Dornish port authority.
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Actually kinda am banking on this. Mainly insofar that these guys will be grateful we didn't leave them to die of starvation or exposure, and importantly that they will get zero credit if they do try to turn us in, it would be the port guys who would be able to steal the credit. So they gain nothing by ratting us out and they should have personal gratitude. It's only the men at the ports I would worry about, but we should be able to convincingly disguise ourselves to them. Jason doesn't get out enough to be very widely known on a visual level so all he has to do is hide his hair really. And Sandor just needs to hide his face.
It's a gamble but not an awful one. And the other option is to hedge our bets on the weather being good. Never trust the sea. It is always trying to kill you.
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Anons, last night I had saw The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms in a sitting, and I loved it. And, as someone who have only seen GoT Season 1, specifically the episode where (I think) Ned Stark fights in KL and gets knocked down.
I want to know: Is it still worth it to dig on to the tv show? I know the shitty last season on how astronomically dogshit it was, and also I'm already spoiled in some things going on in the story but I do not care about it. So, is it worth watching it in todays age?
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The show alters a fair amount of things so some spoilers don't apply, while some do. If you like the setting you should watch it. The last few seasons sputter, and the final season crashes and intentionally aims for the towers but aside from that the show was entertaining enough. It's a pretty decent way for getting a vague idea of a timeline of events that you'd otherwise only get from watching youtube summaries and AI slop.
As with everything it's a question of use of your time. If you're an avid reader you could probably get the books and read them in the same time it'd take to watch all the decent parts of the show. If you don't do a lot of reading but still want to engage with the setting, then yeah may as well watch it.
Some characters are renamed or entirely missing from the show, though. And some events are added or removed. So keep that in mind.
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It doesn't even have to be to the port officials. We can just drop the sailors off somewhere along the coast.
My bigger concern is that they'll try to kill us on board the ship, so we better tie those ropes extra tight. Maybe keep a crossbow pointed at them at all times
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Throwing them along the coast throws away our benefit in rescuing them.
We want them because we can trade their survival for good will with the port. Dropping them off on the shore leaves us with a lanister in a tyrell port with a broken ship.
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They can kill us at sea and sweep it under the rug, but attacking us at a port would instigate a civil war that the Martells would lose badly at this juncture.
We don't need to ditch them on a sandbar, it will be fine. If the QM assured us going to Valyria isn't gonna end our story, he wouldn't let it end like that. We'll probably get a Dornish brownie point, fix our ship, and grab some supplies, but also maybe have to play catch up to Gerion (assuming he isn't stopped at whatever port we go to).
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I just had a thought which I had to share because it was deeply amusing to me. So what if King Bobby asks Tywin where Tywin's son "The only one with working balls" is and now Tywin has to continually distract Robert from inviting Jason to events because Robert finds Jason so amusing for a Lannister? The mere idea of this made me chuckle. That we'd be inconveniencing Tywin so much simply by not being around. And naturally every time Robert brings Jason up to Cersei, and Cersei bitches out about it only fuels Robert's desire to have Jason show up just to rub it in her face.
You're doing great, dad! kek
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That is why Robert bothered to show up for our wedding. Did you forget he did it just to spite Cersei as she refused to show up to her own brother's wedding and he discovered we were bearable to be around? Its yet another active point of contention between Robert and Cersei, apparently. A rare one that Robert can get vindicated by dragging Jason into it.
In terms of funny thoughts I've had a realization. Since we are gonna survive this trip to Valyria, that means Asha is gonna get confirmed as the biggest baddest Ironborn Reaver in centuries if not outright millennia. Completely fixing her problem with building support among the Ironborn and making every Ironborn Reaver in Essos fight each other to swear allegiance to her, right? I mean wouldn't we end up with a frigging Ironborn Reaver fleet escorting us back home? Wouldn't that be fucking hilarious? Would that finally let Asha come clean about her ambitions, especially with Tyrion admitting he intends to stay in Essos and let Asha fully handle things until we settle shit with Tywin?
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Oh I remembered, I just found the logical next step of that, being that Robert wanting to hang out with his little brother in law, would cause grief to Cersei and Tywin to be very humorous. Since it probably escalated from "Yeah I'll do it JUST to fuck with Cersei" to "Yeah I'll do it to fuck with Cersei, but he's a decent little shit besides".
Well I think there's still a non-zero chance that Euron makes it to Valyria before Asha and Jason can. And gets back to the Iron Isles early to drum up support while Asha is out and about. If Asha does actually make it to Valyria and we don't get taken off course for any number of reasons, it'll probably come to an EXTREMELY escalated version of the canon kingsmoot. Euron could very well accelerate things since Theon and Asha both are away from home this go around. Which may allow him to secure the Iron Islands faster than Asha can drum up support. Her return and announcement that she, too, made it to Valyria would shake things up in that case. Potential Ironborn civil war incoming. In this odd case, Balon would probably not have had the opportunity to declare independence and start waging war against the North.
Though it can also be said that Asha having less time to herself directly leads to her being unable to drum up as much support and followers as in normal canon. Which her being to Valyria cancels out, and leads to her having equal footing with her progress in canon, in which case Euron still narrowly gets the win over the Ironborn.
Keeping in mind, not everyone, in fact a great deal of people, will simply NOT believe she made it to Valyria. Until its proven by experience, tales, and loot. Which will take time for stories of that to spread. And even then people are still gonna call her a bullshitter. You know how it is.
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You had never been given the choice over a man’s fate, over whether he would live or die, and this was as close as that got as if you chose to leave them there was a strong chance some or all may die if they are left here or their comrades could not reach them. They had pursued you, and you had little doubt that had they captured you they would have enjoyed having a Lion in their custody. Yet the decision was not a hard one, not when you asked yourself ‘What would Tywin Lannister do?’.
“Lady Asha, brings us about, Ser Humfrey, Sandor, You come with me to parlay with their leader.”
“What?!” Asha shouted down at you, glaring at you as she left the wheel after locking it “These are Martell men, they chased us, they-”
You leveled a gaze to her, that hidden steel in your soul surfacing as you stood by your decision. “I am not my father, who would treat a man’s life like refuse or coins to spend. These rules of honor, of battlefield etiquette, exist for a reason. Not to simply posture and make oneself look good, but because it's what keeps wars and cycles of hate from taking root.” you said, leveling a gaze at Sandor and Asha “had my father been honorable, he would have taken Elia Martell and her children Hostage. They would have been taken to the rock, storm’s end, or winterfell where they would live in comfort, alive, and never able to press their claims. The Martells would know their family was alive, unspoiled, and thus they would have no need to seek vengeance. But because of my father, a blood debt has been made. I must pay that debt, not in blood, but in basic human fucking descency.” You said, seeing the disapproval in Asha’s gaze. “Now, please, do as I requested.”
(+5 Disposition Humfrey Hightower, 10/20)
(+5 Disposition Rella, 0/20)
(-2 Disposition Asha, 13/20)
The process took some time, but eventually you were able to bring the leader of the Martell ship onto the Iron Lion. Thanks to Rella’s presence, which seemed to calm the Dornish sailors, you were able to work with the Martell crew, and brought your worst fears aboard. Leg in a splint that left him unable to move unassisted, the man who stepped onto Asha’s ship was one of the most feared men in Westeros and Essos, a fighter of great skill, Prince of Dorne, the Red Viper. You felt your heart sink as Oberyn Martell, a reluctant smirk on his face, be hauled onto the Iron Lion.
Falling back on Courtesy, you bowed to the Prince of Dorne as you would to anyone from a house of equal standing to your own, while Ser Humfrey bowed lower due to Oberyn’s higher standing. “Prince Oberyn, I must be honest I am shocked to see you here. I did not expect you to be aboard ships like these.”
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Oberyn was lowered onto a crate so he could sit and speak, the man wincing at his leg as Rella stepped forward and began to examine it, which Oberyn did not react to as he leveled a stare at you. “Ah but you were not shocked they were Martell ships, judging by how quickly you decided to run.” He said, the man having a gaze that reminded you of Uncle Tygett, a warrior who was sizing up the opposition.
“Suddenly being ambushed by two ships is already concerning enough, but when they bare the flag of a family who has reason to hate my father, I may be sympathetic but I know better than to rely on one thing in common to make a friendship.” You said with a smile, watching Oberyn’s face not change, but shift perhaps.
He looked at you, then looked up to Asha, seeing her glaring down at him from the wheel, her axes ready. He saw Tyrion standing near the door that led deeper into the ship, blocking it, even as Tysha peaked from behind it. He then looked over Sandor and Ser Humfrey. “So, Ser Jason,” he said, making you concerned that he knew of your knighthood despite having been done in Oldtown and you having not revealed such details “What brings you to Dorne, if you are so cautious around my family?”
“My own family, my Uncle Gerion, has set out on a journey to old Valyria. I intended to follow after him and return, hopefully with my family sword Brightroar.” You explained truthful, knowing that he likely had more information about you and your movements than you would like.
Oberyn looked at you, considering your answer, then proved the truth to be the correct choice as he smiled and laughed “Haha! Honorable, Honest, and good taste in character?” he said, leaning back and relaxing as he looked to Rella “You failed to mention that in your letters Daughter.”
Rella smiled, finishing her work on his leg as she stood “I only had so much to go on Father, he spent most of his time studying for his Links or with his wife, so he did not drink much with the other maesters in training and Humfrey spoke more of Sandor.” Rell said, turning to look at you, Humfrey, yourself, Tyrion, and Asha surprised. Sandor was marginally more annoyed. “I apologize for the deception My Lord Jason, Ser Humfrey, Lady Asha. I am Sarella Sand, fourthborn Natural daughter of the Red Viper.” She said with a smile.
“Rella?” Humfrey said, sounding a bit shocked and worried.
Sarella looked at Humfrey, giving him a beautiful smile as she nodded “I never lied where it mattered Humfrey, though again, I’m sorry I lied at all. I had to keep my identity secret in Oldtown for my own reasons, I was just fortunate to be there while Jason was there.” She said, Oberyn Martell chuckling.
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“I did not initially feel comfortable with Sarella going to Oldtown to get her Links, but she’s proven an adept spy. Though, seems the Lady Asha was too skilled for me and my men.” he said, bowing his head to Asha “You sail like the Sea is yours Lady Asha, I’d stand in awe but please accept a nod in its stead, as well as my coin to repair your vessel.”
Asha and Tyrion looked shocked, Asha shifting her glare away as she found it hard to glare at the smiling face of Oberyn, Tyrion shocked at the sudden disappearance of their bill “Oh do not be so shocked, you bested me, then showed honor, then admitted to be going on a suicide mission. I can do nothing but respect that.” he said, before sitting up and bowing his head in respect “Lord Jason Lannister, please aid me in bringing my crew back to port, and I shall pay for the damages to your vessel, and offer aid to your quest.”
You looked at the crew of the Iron Lion, a little lost at this turn of events. When you found those gazes turned to your questioning, you had to decide for yourself. With a nod of your head, you stepped forward and held out your hand “I will be glad to see you to safety and these men to their families.”
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You brought Oberyn and his crew to the nearest port, the castle of Hellgate Hall and the port town in its shadow a foreboding sight as you came to port. There, you were welcomed by Lord Harmen Uller, his brother Ser Ulwyck, and Harmen’s Natural Daughter Ellaria Sand, who came charging as she saw Oberyn being carried off the Iron Lion. “My love!” She called in distress, rushing to Oberyn’s side as he waved her over with a smile, taking her into his arms then wincing.
“Ah careful careful, I’m afraid I will not be as much of an acrobat for a time for you my love. Do not fear, I am fine and returned to you, thanks to the little Lions.” he said, gesturing up to you and Tyrion as you came down, Sandor and Humfrey acting as honorguard as Asha was at your side and Tysha stayed close to tyrion. “Come you two, meet the fire in my heart and mother of my youngest daughters. Ellaria Sand.” he said, the women stepped forward and bowed to you, then hugged you when you made to bow.
“Oh thank you for returning him, his foolishness will kill him one day, but you pushed the stranger away for now.” She said, pulling away and smiling as Asha stood ready to protect you possessively.
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Lord Harmen Uller stepped forward, speaking briefly with the men exiting your ship, then conferring with Oberyn, before finally stepping to you and bowing “Lord Jason, it is an honor to receive you to my lands. With you saving My Prince, I will happily repair the damage to your vessel, and invite you to rest in Hellgate Hall until your ship is repaired and you are ready to depart.” He said, a servant bringing out portions of salted porn and bread, not a meal but an expedient way of giving Guest Right. Provided with it was a bottle of Dornish Red, freshly opened and prepared.
Seeing this offering, you felt the tension in your heart ease, taking a small portion for yourself and obtaining the protection of Guest Right. Then, you motioned for Tyrion, who brought out a fine loaf of bread from the Westerlands, jam from the Reach, and jerky from Asha’s stores, and offered it to both Lord Harmen and Oberyn. Lord Harmen accepted and tasted the gift, thanking you.
Meanwhile, Oberyn laughed “You are a strange fellow, offering guest right does not work just anywhere.” He said, taking and eating it all the same.
“We are guests in each other's company, and while it is only a gift, I hope it is a gift well received.” You said, remembering Tyrion telling you such an idea was stupid but you simply replied that it was worth a try.
Oberyn shook his head with a smile, and nodded “Of course of course, it has been too long since I’ve tasted fruit plucked from the Flower’s garden. Today is full of surprises. Come, let us leave your ship to the shipwrights and find comfort in Hellgate, this heat I can only assume is taxing for you northerners.” He said, allowing himself to be partly carried along by Ellaria Sand and one of his own men.
“I shall stay with the ship Lord Jason. While I appreciate the hospitality, I…need some time alone to sort my own thoughts.” Ser Humfrey said, sharing a glance with Sarella Sand, before returning to the ship to stand guard. Sandor stayed with you, not allowing any mention of the idea to leave him at the ship, not that you would have suggested such.
Hellgate Hall was an ancient keep, founded and built well before the conquest, near a thousand years ago this day. Built by the Kings of the Brimstone, House Dryland. This house was wiped out by the Martells in their rise to power in the Nymeria war, and it eventually fell into the hands of house Uller whose ancestral seat, Hellholt, lay up the river.
With total claim of the river and port, House Uller had risen in standing within Dorne, and became close friends and Allie’s with the Martells who aided their ascent.
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The hall was built in the style of Dorne, graceful curves in the stone work that allowed the defenders easy sight lines down the cliffs. The walls were striped in layers of black stone, with white stone besides them. With the sun shining directly on it, it grew difficult to stare directly at the keep, but once you were inside you found it to be cooler within the walls, and even more so inside the keep itself, yet the stone floor remained warm.
Before anyone could stop you, you immediately began to question Lord Uller on the mechanics of the keep and its natural cooling. He was quick to hand you off to his Maester, while Tyrion apologized in your stead as you quickly wandered off to learn of Hellgate Hall’s construction. Asha rolled her eyes and almost followed, by Tyrion convinced her you would be alright. After that you didn’t see them until after nightfall when dinner was served.
The mudbrick, slate stone, and Marble used in the construction of the walls was done in such as way as to dissipate and repel the heat of the sun away from the keep, while beneath the keep’s smooth stone floors were interlocking carved pillars that crisscrossed the foundation. These pillars, laid down by the original founders, absorb the heat and feed it upwards, while expelling most of it back outside. Together, this allowed Hellgate Hall to stay a perfect stable temperature year round.
It was a marvelous find, an architectural marvel you had never known existed. You and Hellgate’s maester were ecstatic to converse about his studies into the matter, the man being a fellow scholar of mortar and construction at heart. It took Asha hunting you down and dragging you out of the Maester’s study to remind you that you were to dine at a Dornish Lord’s hall with a Martell Prince.
“I deeply apologize for my rudeness, Lord Uller, Prince Oberyn. I lost myself, as I often do, to such a unique structure. I may not be as talented as my siblings, but architecture and construction are a passion of mine I have never been able to resist.” You said with a sheepish smile, Oberyn chuckling at your behavior while lord Uller graciously accepted your eccentricities and invited you to eat.
The meal was spectacular, full of exotic dishes and spicy foods that were common in Dorne. Tyrion, Asha, Tysha, and Sandor stuck with what was the least spiced while keeping their tongue cool with water and juices. However, you found that you enjoyed the flavor. You had no tolerance for it, having never had it before, but while your party ate out of politeness and chose each bite with care, you truly set out to enjoy the exotic dishes and tastes even as you fought to keep your mouth from setting fire.
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>>6391825
When you were even open to trying a dish that the Dornish themselves found a little spicy, you earned some smiles as you happily ate some, then some laughter as you nearly choked on the spice. Still, despite your awful endurance to the flavor, you complimented it nonetheless with a truthful appreciation for the ingredients and how the flavors mixed and played with the spices.
After a night of good food and company, you all retired to your rooms, faced with a beautiful view of the Dornish sea and the port city below Hellgate Hall. You stood in the window and breathed in the air, the uniquely Dornish wind that felt nothing like the reach or the Westerlands. You felt at ease, staring down on the Dornish port, contemplating getting the recipe for many of the dishes you ate, maybe even hiring a Dornish chef once you got back to the rock. As you popped a spiced date into your mouth, Asha entered from the bath fully armored and armed “Are you ready?”
You looked at her, dressed in a silk robe, a bowl of dates in your arm, and not at all ready for anything “I mean, I can be, though I did not know we were at the “armed and armored” level of foreplay, else I would have readied my chain mail and sword.” You said, as Asha stared at you. You popped another Date in your mouth. Asha slapped the bowl out of your hands “Ah, rude.”
“How can you eat those?!”
“They’re actually more sweet than spicy, you should try them actu-“ Asha slapped you upside the head as one would do to a fool.
“No you idiot, how can you eat anything here knowing The Red Viper is here?! He’s infamous for his poisons, he went to the citadel to learn how to be a better poisoner some say!” Asha said, turning and rummaging through your bags to pull out clothing.
You stooped down and brought the dates back to their bowl “Asha, we have guest right. We are safe. No sane man would break it.”
Asha let out a growl and threw a shirt in your face “Why? Because your Seven gods forbid it? Because they’ll curse him and his family? They’ll come down from on high to protect you in particular because you ate some salt and bread?”
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You tossed the shirt over your shoulder, then tossed another spiced date in your mouth “No, because it’s political suicide.” You said, sitting down on the bed and patting a spot next to you “Guest Right is a tool that protects everyone, Smallfolk and Noble, from treachery. You abide by it and you are respected, you are trusted, and you are treated with dignity and honor. If you break it, you lose all trust in you. No one will listen to your invitations for peace, will hear none from you. No man will let you into their home if they know you break Guest Right, and no man will enter yours for the same reason. A man who breaks guest right is cursed by the gods, and reviled by man. He will be offered no curtesy, because he gave none.” You said, lying back on the bed. “So get out of that armor and come to bed. I’m not ready for leather and steel in the bed I think.”
Asha looked at you, a mix of disbelief and dawning trust “But what if he isn’t sane? What if he hates you that much? What if he wants you dead so much he’s willing to accept that outcome?”
“If he wanted me dead, I probably would be by now.” You said, grabbing her hand and pulling her to bed, Asha resisted but not enough to win as she cuddled up to you “With all the food I ate, the drinks I tasted. If he wanted to poison me, I’d be dead by now. Not to mention how easily it would be to poison me from contact or powder. So be at peace, and if I die you have my permission to drown me back to life to kill me yourself.” You said, earning a laugh from her. You laid with her for a time, before you let out a grunt “seriously though, change, you knives are poking me and I wish to hug my wife without being stabbed.”
“Ha, coward.” She said, reluctantly getting up after kissing your cheek and heading off to change.
With that handled, you sighed and thought of what you would do tomorrow. It would be about a day before the Iron Lion was fixed and you could leave.
>Explore Hellgate with Tyrion, taste the local culture and spend some quality time with your brother.
>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.
>Spend time with Asha, as you have a chance to enjoy her company before being stuck in a ship with others. Not that that’ll stop you. She may enjoy exploring the river between Hellgate and Hellholt.
>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.
>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.
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>>6391815
>You felt your heart sink as Oberyn Martell, a reluctant smirk on his face, be hauled onto the Iron Lion.
Ffffffuuuuuuuck.
Also, damn you, Humphrey! This is your fault! Poor fucking guy.
>>6391825
Bro we definitely need to do something nice for Asha in the near future. Holy shit she is too good for us. Poor lady. Love her.
>>6391828
These are hard fucking options. I am tempted to go river trawling for reasons unrelated to Asha, of course. My flights of fancy are strong. But also checking out the cool rocks we found. Very strong character motivation. However, the bulk of why the construction of this place works is because it is in a hotter climate like Dorne. But all of these options are nice. And look like they have decent payoffs. Damn you, QM. Why must all of your bait be so juicy and tempting? Shit.
I have changed my mind no less than six times already considering things.
I want to get our ass kicked by Oberyn, because we might pick up some of his unusually fluid fighting style since we have been drilled in a more typical style at home. And we may also come to an understanding of hating the shit out of the Mountain if he decides to take the opportunity to make veiled small talk about the big freak in order to better gauge his prowess or hidden vulnerabilities only a Lannister may know of the man.
Or go on the rivers in the 1 in a billion odds that we find some of the river dwellers with their strange and potentially esoteric habits on the water. And if not, talk about boats and ships with Asha. Or just have a good time. Always good to have a good time.
Or learn and try to apply more advanced architectural theory with these strange methods of this place to our own projects. And as always, more knowledge leads to unexpected breakthroughs of understanding.
I want to make sure Humfrey is okay, because that'll massively jack up relations with the Hightowers if he survives. And also because he would likely be pretty loyal to us besides.
And wandering with Tyrion could lead to learning some tricks of charisma as well as local customs which could be expanded upon as we travel further and further afield. Much easier to blend in with a crowd when you don't act completely strange.
You're pissing me off lmao
I cannot pick between sparring Oberyn, boating with Asha, or sperging with the Maester. I am being pulled in three directions.
>>6391830
Oh, good, we've been upgraded from "target" to "bait". Whew.
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>>6391828
>Spend time with Asha, as you have a chance to enjoy her company before being stuck in a ship with others. Not that that’ll stop you. She may enjoy exploring the river between Hellgate and Hellholt.
Happy wife, happy life.
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>>6391880
Lookit this dude. Don't cream your jorts, bucko. zoz
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>>6391882
On the one hand, i wonder if the Maester would let us touch the dragon bones if we went on a tour with him. If yes, maybe if we could take some filings of the bone to keep some dragonbone powder in a jar or something. You never know when it might come in useful.
On the other, I wonder if we can't ask Asha if she has a hyperfixation with boats like we do with castles. And when she doesn't, if she'd be down to look at a ship the same way we look at walls, which is to say, critically. She might enjoy it more than she expects.
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>>6391828
>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.
Outside of Tyrion and Asha, this could be Jason first friendship. Help our bro out with love. Getting Humfrey out of the ship will do him good, clear his mind and prep him for a talk with Sarella.
I would like to talk more of architecture, or to do a spar with Oberyn. Same for feeding dozen of dates and lovely hugging Asha on a river (apply the Architect method to Asha). Or doing something funny with Tyrion. A bro needs our help though.
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So whose relationship do we prioritize? I feel it's going to he difficult to raise Obyron once we leave and it might have some immediate usage. But at the same time I wanna know about Hellgate.
>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.
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>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.
Part of our responsibility in these types of situations is to keep the crew happy
Let's talk to the ser and make sure he doesn't do something he'll regret
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>>6391839
I will change to
>Check on Ser Humfrey
It'd be nice if this relationship could work out, but I dunno how I would feel to be betrayed like this.
Not even talking about political utility, just I hope the guy would like her.
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>>6391828
>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.
It's the most in character thing for Jason, I doubt he'll be able to resist examining the architecture of the old valyrian colony of Volantis (or Lys, if we decide to spend a day resupplying there) either.
>(write in) Thank Asha sincerely for looking out for you, and say that you know bringing the Martells aboard was a risk and you shall not take such risks in the seas of Essos, and will be as ruthless as this voyage demands
In the waters of Westeros we can be as honourbound as we want, but Essos is a different story. I'm glad for the current moment it all worked out tho, I wonder if Sarella will actually go to Valyria with us even after this.
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Okay so the way I see it is buddying up with Oberyn is the secret 10,000 IQ play, but the Maester and tour option is the wildcard/mystery box. It'll either have some esoteric payoff or it'll be something more mundane in its application. However the route obscured would mean quite a bit of betrayals in the future, our own family included, multiple times. But it might give us options. Open doors for the far, far future. But it also hinges on so many other interpersonal opinions and interpretations of vengeance. The more I think the harder it gets. Paths upon paths. Could it be the road to the longest con or simply a slow suicide? But is that even something we would want in the first place?
Ultimately in my mind it boils down to who we'd rather support at the end of it all for the Iron Throne. Oh, and of course how much we can trust any candidate and their power blocs to not fuck us over during or after. But now I'm just schizoposting and shadowrunning.
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>>6391842
>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.
I'm going to go out on a limb here. Just for the possibility of future choices while hoping I'm not just delirious from lack of sleep and going off on the craziest of mental tangents kek. But I won't begrudge any of the other choices.
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>>6391934
I can agree to thanking her for having our backs, but she doesn't understand the point and purpose of Honour. This was the correct move to make, no matter how much she might think that honour is an idle sentiment.
We explained it mid storm, they are rules to stop cycles of vengence. Promise that we will keep the ship and crew alive and well tended, but don't make concessions that "saving the martells was a risk without great gain".
I'm not going to suggest letting a colony of greyscale get on board but I won't stand for bowing our heads when we made the objectively correct moves both in the moment and in hindsight.
Honour isn't kindness and mercy, Honour is how Great Houses keep the peace.
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>>6391946
Yes, I don't see where we disagree. Honour is useful in Westeros, it'll get us killed in Essos. We still took a risk taking the Martells in, and in the mind of Asha it is probably a sign of how we will act the rest of the journey. I just think it best to quell those worries now
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>>6391950
Apologising.
What we did needs no apology, because it was the Right [moral] and Correct [practical] action.
To concede that it was a risk, which factually it was, without elaboration is to tacitly endorse her view that treating with our noble persuers was a mistake. And it is not.
I don't wish for her to gain a false impression that we will act differently in the same situation and use this against us when it comes up again.
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>>6391952
Ah, I see your point. Although I do not think that is apologising. Honour is a risk even in Westeros, and realistically we won't or rather shouldn't be honourable all the time. After all, Daemon and Aenys Blackfyre were honourable, Eddard Stark was honourable, until that got them killed. We took a risk, and we should acknowledge that
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>>6391828
>>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.
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>>6391828
>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.
Eh, beating us up will at least assuage his pain somewhat and will confirm that he doesn't have to go kill us abroad as we're likely going to die from basic inability to defend our own life.
And should we return he won't try to kill us again due to the pity he feels that way.
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>>6391957
Ugh, this really is a hard one, but forget this - I CHANGE MY VOTE
>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.
Making Oberyn hate us less isn't as dire as having a crew with good morale. We are gonna be depending on Hugh, and we will be brothers when this trip is through. We need Sarella, too.
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>>6391955
Comfort her, assure her of our intentions to protect, happy wife means a good life.
If what she needs to hear is that we won't let sentiment get in the way of our prosperity then tell her that.
We are a good person but that doesn't require we be self destructive and harming. We ain't a saint.
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>>6391828
>Return to speak to Hellgate Hall’s Maester and learn all you can about the unique materials and construction of Hellgate hall. You may never get this chance again.
All the options are very good. Humpfrey does need support following this revelation and Oberyn's invitation strikes me as something we cannot refuse, but I'd want us to learn all there is to learn about our special interest.
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>>6391828
>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.
Talk with him about getting justice for what Tywin did. Jason can't engage in kinslaying, but that doesn't stop us from proclaiming that we are genuinely disgusted by what happened and that we're open to Oberyn getting revenge on The Mountain.
Further than that, even if Gregor doesn't give the confession that Oberyn wants, Jason would be able to publicly admit to the wrongdoings of his father once Tywin has passed away. It'd be political suicide, but it would be the "right thing to do" and might help ease the hostility between the Lannisters and Martells.
The two families will never be friends after what happened, but at least things will be somewhat less awful.
>>6391823
>a servant bringing out portions of salted porn and bread
Porn? Now THAT'S what I call Guest Right!
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>>6391828
This is a trick option
>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.
Asha needs to meet the Martells on her own and open up with them in a framework that they both will understand and respect. More importantly, the Martells have NO idea how much Asha fucking HATES Tywin and needs him dead. Jason cannot because that will be considered kinslaying although we already gave away our intention to kill the Mountain to the Martell's through Rella.
>Check in on Ser Humfrey Hightower, he seemed to take the revelation of Rella being Sarella sand hard and may need a friend right now.
A problem that Jason is arguably the only Westerosi nobleman who can actually empathize with and has answers to. There is nothing traditional or normal about our relationship with Asha. Is in fact has quite a few similarities with Dornish style affairs. Something poor Humfrey desperately needs some advice about. So this is something only Jason can handle. Ergo this is my official vote.
I'll admit the other options are REALLY tempting like spending time with Asha in Dorne of all places or the Maester. Plus Tyrion given how he intends to stay behind in Essos and no doubt will meet Danny early on.
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>>6391967
QM would it be possible to send Asha to duel with Oberyn so we don't have to turn down his offer entirely if we elect to do something else? She might be more of a challenge and at least the two of them could get to know each other better.
Would feel like a huge fumble to just turn him down completely when that seems like a pretty large gesture of potential friendship.
I still think we should console Humfrey in the meantime.
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>>6391937
We just proved to Oberyn that we aren't like the other Lannisters hence he is no longer hostile to us but neither is he friendly. The same as the sand viper when she found out we intend to kill the Mountain. The rest of the Martells is still a very different story. If we gave him the Mountain's head that would be very different. The most dangerous is his older brother and his niece, who may try to seduce us just to piss off Daddy because of course she is gonna try to sleep with the son of their mortal enemy because fuck daddy and whatever other god forsaken scheme bounces around in her head. His older brother on the other hand is into full blown 4d chess and a Targ loyalist working with Varys. He's not as straightforward as his younger brother and wants the Targs back. So much harder to deal with.
In terms of fullblown shadowrunning. Tyrion will stay behind in Essos will end up meeting up with Danny WAY fucking ahead of schedule, and won't return to Westeros until we counter Tywin. Meaning he openly acceded to Asha. Since he is a Lannister with an additional pot of gold from Jason to get started, he should do a pretty good job getting himself established. Asha got rid of the only person who could challenge her influence on Jason. After Valryia will easily be able to rally the Ironborn to her banner. Given how much of an insane achievement and flex it is even before returning to Westeros. Meaning Tywin won't be able to contain or restrict her. So, unless Euron pulls a fast one Iron Islands will erupt into Civil War or gain an official heir.
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>>6392017
>Tyrion will stay behind in Essos will end up meeting up with Danny WAY fucking ahead of schedule, and won't return to Westeros until we counter Tywin.
I'm not betting on that, personally, I am pretty sure Danny is hiding in Pentos right now, and would avoid being seen or known by any Lannister at any cost for the time being. If Tyrion shacks up in Volantis I imagine she would steer clear.
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>>6392015
Hmmm, well one of the issues there is that Oberyn’s leg is still fucked, so a soar with you was likely possible, while Asha is less likely. Plus he has little to say to Ash. Hmmmmm, I’ll see how to votes end up and decide then.
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>>6391828
>Oberyn Martell has invited you to spar with him, stating he wants to see what a knighted Lion can do. You fully expect to get trounced, but with Guest Right on your side you should be safe, and you may learn something.
I say this is the best option, and it also gives us time to have a 1-on-1 conversation and, if QM let us, maybe ask if Sarella told him about Humfrey and if he had a problem with her approach. Basically, I want Jason to ask him if he has any problem with those two dating and if Sarella can come, OR, even better, if Oberyn can tell to her daughter to go talk with Humfrey so they can clear things out before we continue with our travel.
Also, I think we should make wifey happy
>Talk to Asha in private and tell her: "I know why you didn't wanted to take Oberyn aboard and why you were so worried, thank you, but the reason why I did it, is because the Martell are way too deep into the politics of Westeros too, so they would respect Honor like our people there. But now I'll hear your warnings and I understand that in our travels, honour can cost us, if you feel in your gut that helping someone will be dangerous, I'll really consider it, I try to keep myself from danger the same way I would do with you."
We just cement our position and let it be clear we think we did the right thing, but also reassure her we won't be so naive from now on.
also that new captcha of writing what fuckass character we see is some bullshit. I'll knew them because I saw their design or something, but fuck me if you ask me their names
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>>6392020
Well if Tyrion sells or owns slaves he's going to get an early grave from Dany and her dragons, but I doubt Tyrion will support that institution anyways (even if he's staying in the slave capital of Essos).
Dany is honestly one of my favourite characters, even if her earlier chapters are really fucking depressing. She's only 13 and doesn't deserve that shit.
On that note, honestly the show butchered the story a bit by aging up all the characters. The books I feel was a great critique of how often children are victims of the political system and their family legacies at large, and are forced into roles by their circumstances that traumatises them and kills thousands. Robb is 16, Dany 13, Jon also is 15, Bran is 8 or 9 if I remember correctly when Bloodraven starts grooming him. Baelish is the same with Sansa. Jorah Mormont. Fucking hell you could build a second taller Wall with the amount of pedos in Westeros
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>>6392017
That do be what I talking about. The way I see it, if we want to throw our lot in with Dany and teh Targs, buddying up with Oberyn is the play. Because he's going to report everything he learned about us to Doran. If Doran's idea of payback for what Tywin and the Mountain did is to kill off all of Tywin's direct family, we'd be fucked. On the other hand, if his idea of vengeance is to instead steal away the allegiance of some of his children and kill the rest, making sure Oberyn speaks well of us is probably the only way to get our foot in that door.
With Tyrion staying in Essos, Oberyn will not be able to find an excuse in King's Landing to fight with the Mountain. Which would mean Oberyn would probably need to talk to Jason about killing the big fucker, which he knows is something we want. or at least he will know. Which also plays into Doran's desire to kill the humongous cockhead. There's a few layers to this which pushes for a potential shadow alliance with the Martells. Since the Martells will not forgive the Lannisters for a long time, but might still ally with them to satisfy their need for vengeance should a decent Lannister arriveWhich is us.
I don't know if Tyrion will meet Dany faster, I don't recall her going to Volantis once she starts doing Things(TM) and she should be in Pentos for a few years for now til she gets shuffled off to the Dothraki. Since Tyrion is opting to stay in Volantis to wait on Jason. But more importantly Varys won't get a measure of Tyrion like in canon, so Illyrio might not quickly approach the lil man and steer him towards Dany, or Dany towards him. Though I CAN see Tyrion working with her when she pulls up with her dragons, solely to build a rapport between her and him so he can try to persuade her that his brothers are good, especially Jason, and that in her conquest she may find an ally in him but to at least spare him should they come to blows. Assuming of course Tywin doesn't die of dysentery or something before then.
>>6392030
To be fair, Jason did not know it was Oberyn who was overboard before he made that decision. And even further, if we knew it was Oberyn before making that decision would look even worse, given the Red Viper's reputation and storied temperament. Her position was pragmatic in the "these guys tried to fuck with us" way, rather than a political way. She's probably going to give us the "Honor will get you killed" speech ere long. And I have the feeling she'd rather her husband be seen as an honorless cur if it meant keeping him alive, since she doubtless thinks that no matter what happens she can just sail away with Jason in tow and somehow manage to keep him safe despite any obstacle. What a woman. Of course, honor only applies to the honorable, Jason probably wouldn't extend any courtesy to an assassin or bandits or godless freaks from afield.
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Give me a minute and i'll post my findings, then I'll let anyone watching voice any like, mistakes i made in the count just to be sure.
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>>6392041
If we do console Asha, then we should include some extra details concerning the upcoming expedition.
It's fine for Jason to act honorable here in Westeros after we'd already won the confrontation, but in Old Valaryia?
Disagreeing, hesitating, second-guessing, or getting caught up on morals and honor will get people killed. It won't just be us; Jason's indecisiveness could get people from Uncle Gerion's retinue killed.
Hell, there's also the concern to Asha and Jason. We shouldn't even be meta-gaming to begin with about know that the QM won't kill us, but that doesn't mean that neither of the two lovebirds won't lose an eye or a limb. Asha could get seriously maimed while we're out there.
So if she wins the vote, we should have Jason tell her that while we're out there, he'll have her back and not question her judgment since survival is on the line, and she knows more about survival than he does.
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>>6392057
Jeeze Louise man, why is it that you do the smart, practical thing and suddenly it's all about "your morals are going to doom us to death in the death-land".
We're already going in, knowing it's super fuckin' dangerious and missteps get people killed. just because we spared PEOPLE, who we had defeated, In accordance with the honour system of our time, Decided IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, it doesn't mean we're going to go limp wristed at "oh these starving cannible stone men are just hungry and misunderstood, lets allow them to board our ship and give us hugs as they so clearly want."
Things will be harder, more stark and grisly in a place where even small things mean death and a level of paranoia is healthy.
But for the love of the Builder, stop freaking out about the fact we did THE CORRECT COURSE OF ACTION.
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>>6392060
meant for you, not me >>6392060
Doing what is correct, in both pragmatic, moral and honorable senses doesn't make us retarded. If we have to cut off an arm because it's infected with fire worms, we cut that shit off.
if we have to lock someone in a room because they got infected by stone skin, we do it.
if it's between the life of one or the whole ship, we sacrifice the one, just calm the hell down.
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>>6392057
Real shit though thank fuck for the hover-shows-post feature in full browsers. It doesn't help with people who forget to link their votes properly but otherwise makes it a lot easier to at a glance count things. Being able to just hover the cursor over the post number at the vote post itself is good QoL.
>>6392060
I'm pretty sure Jason is smart enough to know that half the men in Essos are slavers, the other half are religious nutjobs. And that things such as men gone mad with disease are to be put down like dogs. It's not like Jason is going to have a crisis of decision if there's a lull moment in a conflict with a pirate vessel. Or when a hellish creature comes creeping along. In times of actual danger Jason will probably put survival first, as one should. So I'm not too worried about it.
As for the metagaming, yes, we SHOULD be acting on what Jason knows and not what we know. That is true. I will make some conceits for wanting to set up pins to knock down later, but we should be avoiding the "Well we know we can't die, so jump off the roof lol" shit. Cause that's just silly. This isn't that though. So no worries.
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It'd be fine if we took a moment to talk to Asha more about what went down, but we don't need to 'console' her, she's not particularly fragile. If we'd left Oberyn behind he probably would have survived and his lust for revenge would have tripled. If he didn't, Sarella would have sent a raven to Doran and his lust for revenge would have quadrupled. Asha wasn't stupid to suggest abandoning them, but it was also a decision rooted entirely in reaver culture. She wasn't thinking about long term political implications, but Jason was, and I'd be surprised if she doesn't understand now that this was the right play. We lost a little disposition because it hurt her pride, and made her feel unsafe, and she doesn't trust the Martells (I suspect in no small part because she wants to protect us). But I think we should respect her enough to believe she will come to understand that this was the right move.
Now, once we are out of Westerosi waters and are beyond the fog of Valyria, I actually do support ceding control of the ship entirely to Asha and letting her be the 'captain', and respecting her judgment. Once we make landfall we can take the lead again, relying on our mystical education and insights about whatever structures we see (i.e. 'this looks to be the kind of spire that would terminate in a barracks, we may make camp here' or 'the way these battlements have fractured suggests they once stood this high, meaning this was a bailey, and so there is likely the remnants of a well nearby' etc) to determine a best course of action.
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>>6392069
I am amenable, the open waters are where she knows best.
The "consoling" is mostly further education on the appropriate actions as befits a greenlander. To remove the future instances where that may be an issue, and for her own use later. Reaver culture is retarded culture, but it works to degrees.
in short, it isn't consoling because she is fragile, it is consoling so she doesn't have room to doubt our survival instinct.
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4 Obryn
5 Ser Humfrey
4 for Maester
it looks like Ser Humfrey gets a visit from his friend.
In addition, I will be including the Asha write in as well as the recommending Asha face Oberyn, since it was such a close vote.,
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>>6392074
Very nice, thanks QM. Maybe Asha doesn't have much to say to Obie, but maybe having a friendly fight will make her less suspicious, too? I am noticing a pattern of us making Asha physically compete with guys she has beef with in order to become bros LMAO, first it was Bobby, now this.
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>>6392085
>Ifitworks.png
"Asha dear, I see your're getting rather hostile with the neighbour, let me arrange a duel"
jokes aside, it's very funny.
Putting even that aside, I think one of her comforts is the reduction of difficulties down into physical violence, which is relatively simple to determine.
if someone was trying to kill you, vs trying to beat the shit out of you vs just stretching then it can make for a fairly easy distinguishing system between individuals
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>>6392074
>In addition, I will be including the Asha write in as well as the recommending Asha face Oberyn, since it was such a close vote.,
>asha hangs out with oberyn
>"So what's your husband like?"
>"He's a fool. A pretty fool. But a fool. He's the worst of those Lannister boys but I think that makes him the best of them."
>"Is his cock big?"
>"Oh fuckin' huge."
I am afraid of some of the things they might talk about.
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Ah yeah that's fair. I guess "Console" is just a loaded word in our language.
>>6392089
Some people just speak better through their fists. Sometimes you can only learn things by hitting people and having them hit you back. It's a great judge of character. After all, no one would say Bronn is an honorable man and it sure as shit shows when he fights.
On the flip side you have Jason "To a hammer, everything is a nail" Lannister. Not because he is stupid and singleminded, but because he really likes hammers and nails.
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>>6392074
Although all the options were great, I am glad that we are taking care of our friend. We can feed our brick and mortar autism later. Also QM masterful hint with that "My mother was the captain of the feathered kiss" I did not catch that at all, but like all good reveals it makes perfect sense in hindsight
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>>6392098
Oh good someone saw it XD Yeah I was trying to figure out what i could do to make the trip to Volantis fun, and realized you'd be passing dorne. after that it was digging around for how I could get it done. Turns out there is a hidden Sand snake in Old town, who knew!?
Oh, btw, Sarella is aged up in this quest, for no other reason than I needed to be able to use her and she is not important otherwise in the main canon
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Asha
>So honey why did you insist on me gearing up for a spar before you meet with Sir Hightower
>Well...um...you see...I might have doublebooked myself by accident and I just know how you LOVE a good fight so I need you tag in for me
>Oh fin *sees Obyrn* YOU SON OF A-
>Love you so much BYE-"
Oberyn
>Why is Jason unarmed and Asha with him armed
>Wait is he gonna fucking Dornish shuffle me?
>"...So Asha your husband is um...you sure he doesn't have any Dornish in him by any chance?"
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>>6392124
Real "don't quote the deep magics at me witch" moment.
Referee's will be called. Rulebook will be checked. Tournament staff will scratch their heads but declare it legal. A bad time was had by all but Jason the smarmy cunt.
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>>6392124
What is funny to me is that if Oberyn does decide to do a little tango with Asha, that would mean Jason has through sheer virtue of being a humble little tart secured two separate occasions for Asha to have contests with two legendary Westerosi warriors. Three if we count Sandor as a legendary warrior instead of "one of the most dangerous men in Westeros" as I'm sure she's tried to step to him as well at least once. What's next, gonna bring Arthur Dayne back from the dead to give her a thrashing? She's gonna wind up being even more horrifically lethal than in canon not because we could hire the best instructors but because she keeps having Jason throw her at the scariest motherfuckers on the continent.
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>She's gonna wind up being even more horrifically lethal than in canon not because we could hire the best instructors but because she keeps having Jason throw her at the scariest motherfuckers on the continent.Also a small part of my suggesting she fight in our stead... Thinking of how Ned told Jaime he doesn't spar or duel so as to not show potential enemies his skills or weaknesses. Asha and Oberyn can both learn a couple things from each other, I'm sure.
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>>6392135It does make one wonder just how good Ned really was. He was at least good enough to avoid getting quickly butchered by Arthur Dayne. Which is an achievement considering Dayne was THE finest warrior according to everyone around him.
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Jason out here looking like a Pokemon trainer. "Asha, I choose you!"
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Asha also likely sparred against Jaime when he was visiting his brothers and clashed heavily against various Westerland and Reach knights. In terms of danger Asha unlike her canon self has been forced to actually put quite a few points into intrigue given how much she has directly clashed and been abused by Tywin. In addition this version of her also fixed her greatest weakness of having no husband, which Euron abused canonically to screw her over.
Really the only thing she is lacking in vs her canon self is the lack of followers currently. In every other regard she is far stronger.Eddard was considered so dangerous in a fight that despite being in the middle of the Red Keep vs the King's Guard and an entire army they STILL resorted to taking hostages rather than ever risk fighting him. He also explicitly avoided ever publicizing his actual combat ability it's just secretly accepted he was insanely deadly in a fight despite the lack of witnesses or generally being unnoticed over other fighters(see fighting with Robert the show off).
In terms of underrated most dangerous characters Eddard Stark is #1. Tywin. Varys. Littlefinger. Kingsguard Barristan. NOBODY dared sincerely fight the guy or even allow him to fight back at all. The man was apparently that mindblowingly dangerous. Too bad we never got to see just how dangerous Eddard Stark actually was in a fight, the man was a fucking underrated monster apparently that had anyone who knew anything at all scared shitless of him and desperately did everything they could to avoid a fight. Hence abusing his honor, holding hostages, and forcing him to surrender.
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>>6392178I think he might've been carried by Ice a bit. He's a pretty tall guy with a long reach and an enormous sword. That means he can generate a LOT of leverage, and he's well built so that means a LOT of force on a sword that's immune to damage and has an unfathomably sharp edge. I think it's not unlikely to see him swinging Ice straight through a man's helmet and, more mundanely, controlling the fight with his incredible reach.
Either that or he's pulling a King from One Punch Man.
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>>6392178In my headcanon Ned is below Robert in terms of the Danger Scale. Which put hims far and above common knights and warriors. But he's clearly not "the best" by any metric. And a lot of the fear around him comes from the rumors that he 1v1'd Arthur Dayne. We know he didn't, but everyone else doesn't. But clearly Ned was competent enough that he survived when everyone else except Howland was dead, and kept Dayne's attention well enough that Howland was able to intervene. He's clearly an above average fighter, just not so much that he could throw down with Jaime and come out on top more often than not. Good enough to be a threat to the various great warriors, but not necessarily enough to be counted in the highest echelons of fighters.
>>6392186I thought he only used Ice for ceremony and judicial stuff. Thought he used a regular sword and like a knife or something. Am I getting him mixed up with someone else?.
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>>6392186Except he was in a Red Keep where he wouldn't be able to fully leverage Ice yet they were still too scared shitless to engage him. Otherwise true though.
Very important to keep in mind Eddard's own admission that he actively keeps his true capabilities a close secret instead of actively showing off or revealing them. He was an extremely humble but deadly fighter.
>>6392194In my opinion since it was never revealed just how dangerous he truly was. Eddard successfully kept up with Robert at his peak and yet somehow went strangely unnoticed given how freakishly strong that meant you had to be to do just that. Robert deemed Ed his #2 for a reason. Which meant Robert knew just how strong Ed was enough to be considered a dire threat and Robert was a warrior first and foremost so his metric would been foremost based on fighting ability FIRST. Some fought alongside Ed and the resulting reports from that.
Also keep in mind Eddard was never RAISED to RULE, he was raised to FIGHT! It was only with the death of his older siblings that he took over the North. Much to his immense frustration as he was also forced to marry the fiancée of his older brother. He was such a fearsome fighter that he apparently could keep up with fucking Robert albeit not beat him regularly, given how they interacted. Unlike Robert he never let himself go and stayed disciplined throughout his life.
While the only real public rumors about Ed's combat ability were against Arthur Dayne. All I'm saying is Eddard was a FAR better fighter than was commonly believed, albeit not Arthur Dayne level good.
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>>6392215My top 7, get it, cause the seven, anyway, are in no particular order, Jaime, Barristan, Oberyn, Robert, The Mountain, The Hound, and Brienne. Once you start getting to the top tiers of warrior prowess you start splitting hairs and more often than not it comes down to context and luck. This is considering people who are alive right now. Everyone on this list could kill anyone else on this list. And most of the next seven if we were to put them to page would also be able to reasonably beat and live through a fight with any of these seven as well. Like you start talking about top ten fighters in the world and shit the difference between them is usually minuscule unless otherwise specified.
Also why are we using spoilers again? kek
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I wonder if Tyrion is still down to see all the wonders of the world. Or if he'd given up on that idea for the idea of staying peacefully with Tysha somewhere safe and stable. It'd be pretty funny if he wound up seeing more architecture than Jason did.
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Gentlemen I would remind you all to please consult the chart prior to all powerlevel arguments: >>6389381
Though, shit, I need to add Brienne, Barry, the Mountain, and the Hound to it. Too many memes, not enough meat,though DESU only the Mountain really qualifies as S of them in present day. Hound and Present Barry are High A with Jaime and Ned, Brienne as Mid to High A. Prime Barry is easily Double S with Arthur though.
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>>6392255
Asshai nearly gives him a heart attack. Yi Ti makes him need new pants every ten miles. Who knows, maybe the craziest fucking set of circumstances will take Jason and Asha further east past Valyria. Imagine the sort of slurs Sandor would come up with over there. Actually I wonder if Sandor is going to stay with Tyrion in Volantis. I would if I were him. But he's definitely got more balls than me. On the other hand, a sea of smoke and volcano islands consumed by fire, yeah, it sounds exactly like the place he would most specifically NOT want to be. Fuck Valyria.
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The Hound deserves S tier solely because he 100% would piss in someone's face mid-fight if it meant him killing them and walking away victorious. We don't surrender our agenda for nothing.
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>>6392266
Well, I am sure there's knowledge to be gained in the smoldering ruins. The Valyrians were set to be able to shape stone like clay through their magics and create incredibly intricate buildings. Dragonstone (not the show version) is an incredibly imposing fort decorated by gigantic fuzed blackstone dragons and a near impenetrable fort thanks to that. If Jason can discover the spells necessary for that, he might go to ally with Dany simply to use her dragonfire to be a second Brandon the Builder but writ in flame instead of ice.
Kinda funny to imagine her Dragons used as glorified construction vehicles tho, especially considering her main issue in the books is "Dragons plant no trees" despite her wanting to be constructive with her power.
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>>6392281
>jason, entirely of his own volition and leveraging connections no one thought he could possibly forge finds dany
>"Hi yeah, can you make your dragons help me build stuff?"
The ULTIMATE fucking power move. He's there to use you for one specific thing and makes absolutely no moves to hide it. He just wants to level up his block game.
But yeah, I am interested in seeing if there are any secrets that can possibly be recovered from Valyria's ruins. Even if it were just mundane portions of lost lore. Knowing why you can't do something can be as valuable as knowing how to do it even though you can't. Carts before horses and all that. Which is also why an Asshai detour for whatever reason would also be pretty mint. No sorcery is off limits By The Shadow. There are bound to be some snippets of ancient mysteries there. Although, the actual prospect of going there is horrifying and I kind of want to avoid it because damn son, a city full of freaks with no limits to the dark magics they may have? Nah, fuck all that noise.
>>6392282
>"The things I do for love..."
She's 100% gonna drown Jason one day lmao. But anon is right
>>6392285
If we come across the truly weird and wacky shit on or near Valyria, we are NOT fucking with em. I do not want an ice bath to be our final moments.
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plus, moving away from the more mundane parts of the story, in the books the dragons are a crucial weapon of mankind against the others in the long night.
speaking of, a question for the QM; Since we studied the higher mysteries, do we know High Valyrian as a language?
The research we did for the trip to Valyria made it seem like we do, and from the Dany chapters we know High Valyrian doesn't exactly translate too well to the Low Valyrian currently spoken in the free cities, so it would be a cool talent to have.
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I know she'd lose. I'm pointing out that we shouldn't keep sending Asha to do the fighting for us
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Hmmm, now I'm wondering how Tywin would react upon hearing that Jason could have left Oberyn to die or even have killed him upon taking him aboard (out at sea where pretty much no one will know), but instead took the prince back to Dorne, and then spent time hanging out with him.
Would Tywin be pissed, disappointed in Jason's stupidity/naivety, or would Tywin be glad/impressed?
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>>6392290
I think Tywin would be a impressed that we managed to get Oberyn at our mercy, but I think his anger at actually exercising said mercy and letting Oberyn live would massively outweigh any pride he might feel.
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>>6392287
I’ll say you know it kind of well. You studied it in reference to some magical research, and you studied it more when you knew you would be going to Old Valyria. However you are not fluent and so you have a little cheat book that you resort to when you need. You are more prepared then some but fluency would have been better, sadly Gerion did not leave you much time to finalize your mastery of the language.
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>>6392290
Ah damn, I took you %100 seriously. Writing without other context clues is a bit hard to parse jokes from.
Also if we killed Oberyn it would have similar consequences to Joffrey killing Ned but for the South. That cold war would go hot fast and Tywin would consider us a fool. Rella was a Dornish spy after all, and if we decided to kill Oberyn she would escape at the first opportunity and inform Doran.
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Really cool that we know it a bit.
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>>6392290
That is a good question. Tywin would either go nuclear and have a crashout so hard he starts smashing furniture. Or he'd snort in amusement that Jason can somehow manage to ingratiate himself to their sworn enemies. Either way he beats the shit out of us for it.
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Radical. I am sure the letters for "Toilet" will serve us well. Unironically.
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Tywin would mark showing mercy in this situation as a good idea. Once you found out the importance of the individual, you acted properly as a Lord and ensured relations would not escalate with the family, while doing so in a position of strength due to Oberyn being shipwrecked and having a broken leg, making him unable to fight.
He would be pissed you didn’t get anything out of it and did not press your advantage for any concessions or any thing that could help the family or put the Martells in a position to be out maneuvered or used.
Tywin is practical and ruthless. He sees the value in Noble custom, but he is also ambitious and demands that House Lannister always be winning
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>>6392306
>He would be pissed you didn’t get anything out of it and did not press your advantage for any concessions or any thing that could help the family or put the Martells in a position to be out maneuvered or used.
>"Congratulations, you are a disappointment."
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>>6392037
Tyrion will likely be making a move towards the Targs since he is moving into Essos where he intends to establish himself WAY ahead of schedule and with Jason's backing. Depending on how things play out, he may also enjoy the support of Asha's future Reavers, who operate within Essos as well. As Asha won't hang him out to dry, given him acceding to her.
Doran's next moves are the hardest to predict until we remember that, as far as they are concerned, Jason's off on a suicide mission and Tyrion is abandoning the Lannisters entirely so he can live with Tysha openly and have a family in Essos. Therefore no longer a player in the Game since Tywin hates him so much. This stance will change once it turns out we didn't die and return. That will force Doran to pivot or if Danny stumbles upon Tyrion before that. As destiny, for whatever reason, demands that Imp serve the Dragon.
QM admitted to changing the timeline and not having the dates be so close together. So we don't really know how long the Targs will be moving or staying. Assuming that Danny will run into Tyrion sooner given how Tyrion ended up in Essos way ahead of schedule unless the QM intends to completely throw away that particularly important event chain.
The current biggest wildcard in play is gonna be whatever Oberyn and Asha discuss during their duel. Asha's hostility towards them stemmed from considering them a threat to her family but she also hates Tywin. While their relationship dynamic is oddly familiar to the Dornish. If Oberyn is willing to have the Martells concede on Jason and Tyrion she will happily help them murder Tywin.
Really depends on if Dorne decides to capitalize on a Lannister Civil War. Which is doomed to be triggered thanks to Cersei if Tywin lives that long to support her stupidity. Jason is gonna refuse to play ball if that happens, no matter what.
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>>6392313
Honestly if we are planning that far ahead, the biggest problem for us will be the Red Wedding. When Tywin orchestrates that, he kills the concept of honour permanently in Westeros and ruins basically any hope of the Lannisters having a future without constant wars and blood feuds.
In the books the north remembers, and the killing of Ned we can probably manouver around but the Red Wedding changes the game board completely.
At that point I wouldn't be against splitting off from the Lannisters completely and creating our own house with Asha. House Steelroar has a nice ring to to it
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I don't know if Tyrion would search them out. Until Danaerys gets her dragons she really is of no help to Tyrion or Jason. And Tyrion himself is no Targ loyalist. Putting her on the Iron Throne would do little to advantage where the Lannister boys are at currently. Especially since they may demand Jaime's head for killing a targ, as fuckass crazy as he was. I'm sure fate could pull him into it, but I don't think Tyrion would, of his own volition, do anything with Viserys and Danaerys. Killing Tywin and Cersei? He could probably be persuaded. Killing Jaime or Jason? Hell no, he's ride or die with his bros.
We can assume Doran will want to use Jason if the opportunity presents itself. Though whether he decides "You're one of the good ones" or "The game was rigged from the start" is the true question. And whether the rest of our family besides would be extended a similar courtesy. I can't imagine Jason willingly working with someone who seeks to kill his brothers. And Tyrion would likely be safe from Doran and Oberyn's reprisal, Jaime might not be. Cersei might not be either, and as much as Jason hates Cersei, I still think he'd prefer she weren't killed. Sent to a nunnery, maybe, but not killed. We'll see how this dynamic changes after it gets out that C&J are having incest babies out the wazoo.
The timeline being shifted probably doesn't mean much for the placement of the Targs in Essos. Since their likely path was going to Tyrosh, then trace the coast to Volantis, then back up the other way to Pentos where they'll remain for a while til Dany gets Drogo'd. If the timeline was slowed and reverb'd we could assume that the Targs are in Myr at this point, and running out of things to sell. Which they fully do in Pentos. I imagine that Dany probably gets married some time at the end, or just after our journey with Gerion is complete. To make it so that the Targs don't get a huge headstart on the events that occur in Westeros.
Oberyn is 100% going to be fishing for anything he can use to get one step closer to killing the Mountain, and Tywin, but he's more pissed at the big guy than the bald guy. Doran though, seethes nightly about Tywin still having a pulse. Asha is at a crossroads here. If she thinks she doesn't need the Dornish aid, she'll likely turn down their offers for clandestine support. In which case Oberyn will probably pivot to making a good impression with Jason with the support on this voyage he promised. As a "just in case".
>>6392314
Ah yes, the Holy Roman Empire, neither holy nor Roman. Much like the Free Cities are neither free, nor cities. False advertising, really, they expected us to pay.
>>6392316
>tywin does his fuckery
>jason pulls a civil war against his dad
>everyone who ever heard about jason and his temperament does a quadruple take at the news
People would be so shocked they'd think Hodor just spoke a full sentence. Sadly we all know we can't change Tywin's mind on how to go about things or who to support.
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>>6392329
Honestly the idea of making a boat out of Weirwood reminds me of the Liveships Traders books from the Farseer Chronicles. Special wood that came to life when 3 to four captain died in its deck. Very fun series.
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I suggested Steelroar cuz "Iron"born and house lannister words being "Hear me roar". The sigil could be the head of a silver lion and a golden Kraken's tentacles coming out and reaching from the mane of the lion to all sides. On a black background cuz pirate
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>>6392331
Steelroar is a very silly name and also, I really don't think we should make our own house. Turning House Lannister into a force for genuine good after the shitfuckery Tywin has pulled would be a lot more satisfying, imo.
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>>6392330
Sounds kind of like a reverse ghost pirate ship kek. Pretty rad.
Pretty sure there was a castle at one point that was made of weirwood. Which, that's a lot of friggin trees. I think I heard somewhere long ago someone had a theory that the various examples of "greasy black stones" were actually pieces of petrified black bark trees used for shade of the evening. Which is pretty neat. Considering how Weirwood simply doesn't rot. The opposite trees also never rotting is sensible.
What is the over/under on stealing enough trees to make a warship, by the way? Totally unrelated to current conversation I assure you. Yes.
>>6392334
All we need to do is smash Tywin over the head with a candlestick. It's genius. No one would ever think it was us, in the library, with the candlestick!
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>>6392339
IIRC there's the chair on the iron islands, the toad on the, well, toad island, Asshai and Yeen. Yeen being the standout as it is landlocked. I can imagine the shade of the evening giving people visions of fuckass fish people. Or fuckass fish people giving people the stuff to make them trip out and see their freaky fishy god. I can also imagine that its in those places to keep the fish people away. Just like how everything else seems to die around these places.
Ultimately I think the safer answer is that it is just some sort of magical stone, but notably one unrelated to Valyrians and their methods of making black stone. Or the five forts in Yi Ti which probably have their own methods back in the whenever. This makes it a question of archaeology and anthropology, which is pretty neat. Though I wouldn't be surprised if a magical tree could have been involved in some way.
If I can remember the details I'll track down where I saw it or something like it and post it here. Since I obviously have no idea what the actual details of the theory are.
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>>6392337
Cutting down Weirwoods is punishable by death. Smuggling cut Weirwood is punishable by death. Buying cut Weirwood is punishable by death. Hiring people to do it is a good way to get an angry northerner to want you dead.
Weirwoods are sacred, sacrosanct. To cut one down is basically to declare war on the old gods in the eyes of their followers.
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>>6392341
If we meet some children of the forest (highly unlikely), we can ask them grow the weirdwood into a ship with their magics. Although it is equally likely they'll just turn us to paste to feed to Bran in the future.
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>>6392341
Woah hey yo officer these are just normal trees covered in paint. kek But to be fair, the North is probably gonna want us dead already anyway. Though there are quite a few things constructed out of weirwood both north of the wall and south of the North. The followers of the old gods aren't exactly waging jihad over their sacred trees being used as tables. So there's something to be said there. I'd be more worried about the freaky ass druids doing whatever the fuck with their magic through them than anything.
I'm still only joking. The only places we could actually find enough weirwood to make a ship entirely out of it are places we can't go, or can't get the wood from. I bet a psycho like Euron would jump at the chance, though. If he was patient enough to wait around for a ship to be built, anyway.
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>>6392286
>Asshai detour
Going all the way there is a whole new travel.
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If spain was made up of multiple different cultures, at large distances and the valyrian colonists mixed with them created different dialects. Sort of.
The Valyrian freehold had more or less control over what i like to call "West-Near Essos". Its more or less most of the free cities and the regions around it, the valyrian peninsula, the nearest piece of the eastern plains, the slaver bay cities (ex Ghis empire), And they where attempting to get the Principalities of the great river under them.
Its a lot and they also had made some Sothryos colonies, but they had left a whole lot more of Essos and the world unconquered.
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>>6392349
Harrenhall is a massive amount of fused stone at this point. With ironborns mixed in too. If there was any weirdwood is mixed with all the stone now.
It probably has some magical properties since there are ghosts and spectres time to time in the giant castle(or so the locals say), and with how all noble houses taking it seemingly all fail to hold it and go in ruin. I am not sure we could just dismantle the place, it was always given to another noble family. It would need to be given to us. Or taken. It would give definetly a lot of construction material if fully dismantled. Cursed ones if what locals say is true.
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>>6392351
You underestimate just how large the buildings GRR Martin creates are. Even with Aegon melting that place down, it is still gigantic and has plenty of places untouched by Balerion's dark flames.
I genuinely think we could harvest enough weirwood from that place to make a few ships and not just one. They'll be hella haunted tho
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Anons, I honestly would think that the people of Dorne would love Jason once people learn about him and his relationship with Asha
Would you think they'll consider him spiritually Dornish? Or would be considered a Honorary Dorn?
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>Going all the way there is a whole new travel.
Potato potato lmao. A detour is a detour no matter the distance.
>If spain was made up of multiple different cultures, at large distances and the valyrian colonists mixed with them created different dialects. Sort of.
To be fair aside from the "vast distances" that kind of is Spain. At least Spain as it was in the past. Iberian natives being encroached upon by more central Europeans, invasions and migrations from the south via Africa, held under sway by the Roman empire prior. It fits relatively neatly if not perfectly.
I'm curious if Jason will see a Valyrian Road and decide that making huge stone-slab roads, or at least one huge stone-slab road is a worthwhile endeavor. Stone slabs wide and thick enough enough to fit in the back of a wagon, five slabs wide, wooden runners placed underneath in freshly upturned earth. A fool's endeavor but inspiration strike hard. Cobble roads are easier to make and hold up better than a common stone slab road would.
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Apparently Whitewalls had rafters made out of weirwood. But that place got torn down and destroyed ages ago. I would be quite afraid of taking material from Harrenhall. That place is for sure cursed as shit.
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Yeah Martin has a poor sense of scale I think. But it's kind of endearing. Makes certain things wondrously grand or foreboding.
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I don't think so, no. They'd probably be amused and pleased with the idea but he'd still be a northerner to them, and a filthy Lannister besides. Now if he went out and actually did a lot of good for Dorne they'd probably change their tune. But just being a little quirky for anywhere outside of Dorne doesn't make him Dornish, imagine it's like seeing a foreigner in an American flag hat (if you're American), yeah you'll think it's pretty cool but they ain't Murican because of it.
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Domain Expansion: Happily Married?
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>>6392464
Greymane is the right direction but still a bit too... blunt.
Then again we have "House Stark" with their branch houses "House Karstark" (founded by Karsten Stark or something) and "House Greystark" (who were granted a fort/castle with Gray in the name). So maybe it's right on brand.
A thought I had was to revive the Casterly name; I don't recall if the Lannisters ever intermarried with the former owners of the Rock or if they just stole the place, but it could be one hell of a power move if we did. Like if Renly decided to go for the independent Storm King route and revived the Durrandon name or something.
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>>6392464
If we do go with Ironclaw or Greymane I suggest our honor guard should be called The Iron Pride (word play with Price, see what I did there?)
Other names I have in mind
Ironspear
Ironmace
Steelmane
Ironfang (not my favorite by the fact you could take the "n" from there)
Pridesteel
Saltmane
Goldcliff
I can't think of anymore because idk what other houses were loyal to Asha's family and that's pretty much what I got on the spot, maybe later my brain can think of something else
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>>6392361
I know the place is big, i wouldn't have said massive otherwise. I just don't think it will be easy since, it was well roasted and so far not much was ever done with Harrenhal in terms of construction. If you want to make an attempt go for it, as a noble we will have a long life ahead of us anyway. I have other stuff in mind.
>>6392453
okay.
I always see the Near Essosi states each becoming their own culture, and slowly getting away from Valyria past. At least some of them seems to do so. Different coins, different ideas, different rulers. Spain had different cultures, but they were all iberic in a way be the iberians tribes, the celts, the celt-iberians and so on. And far more in contact. If you put a Qhorite and a Myrite near one another they are probably quite different in this point in time, the roots of the valyrian past are only there for nobility at this point and maybe some traditions.
After the Dorne southern coasts, and after the Stepstones, there is the west-southern Essos coast. We will likely stop at least in one of the cities there before going to Volantis. Provided we can look around (unless we are falling behind Gerion) there should be an occasion. And if nothing else well the Valyria peninsula should have been heavily urbanized, after centuries of being a vast empire. The ruins of those settlements should have roads of their own, likely of the same quality as the ones Valyrians made across their continental domain.
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I think this is an interesting premise, but hopefully avoidable. I would support breaking off and choosing a new name/sigil only if circumstances force us to turn on Tywin before he dies, and as of now we have altered the timeline enough that Tyrion's patricide is essentially impossible. If Tywin dies by the work of someone other than us, it's most likely to be Dany, Jon, Oberyn, or Olenna, basically in that order.
If we cannot outlast him or cleanly usurp the house, and need to divide it, we'll likely be taking Tyrion, Kevan, Gerion (if he survives our trip), and a lot of the cousins, as well as some of our vassal houses, especially those benefitting from our sea wall.
In such a case I might recommend some of the following names:
>Ironmane
>Seamane
>Ironclaw (I liked this one, though it feels a little too much like a warrior's name)
>Stoneshore
>Tidemane
For a sigil I say we make it two lions, grey or black, on a blue background - representing a rejection of the gilded opulence for more practical materials, the sea, and the two lions representing our being a twin, and also our marriage.
A big benefit to making a breakaway house would be that it would make things a bit easier for Asha and us to claim two kingdoms. Instead of the Ironborn having to see her as Asha Greyjoy AND Lady Lannister, they can just see her - and us - as being neither. Jason Ironmane and Asha Ironmane would produce Ironmane children whom are equal inheritors of either, rather than Lannister children that may be rejected by a portion of the Ironborn for reasons of historical consciousness.
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>>6392497
Honestly if Tyrion wasn't the one to kill him, it would be Varys. He seems to have a hatred for the Lannisters (his speech to Kevan before he killed him was basically just trying to break his spirit completely) and also was the one to basically kill Tywin by giving Tyrion the murder weapon and an open path to the latrine, although arguably Oberyn had poisoned him even before that.
The problem with waiting for Tywin to die is the Red Wedding. There just isn't any coming back from that as a Lannister.
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I was playing the GoT mod for Crusader Kings, and when looking at the map, I noticed how close some of the rivers are to the western sea. The same rivers that cut all the way through to the eastern sea.
As a LONG term project, if a canal was built to connect the big river to the ocean, would the smaller ships amongst the Ironborn navy be able to sail up and along it?
If so, then the trip from the Iron Islands to Braavos would actually be shorter than the distance to Oldtown. It'd grant faster, easier access to coastlines that were previously waaaaay further to reach.
If possible to complete, I imagine that grant us a ton of favor with The Iron Islands.
If not possible, we could settle for the far more believable project of trying to (one day) reinforce the cliffs of Pyke so that the sea erosion doesn't cause any more of the rock to fall into the sea.
As a completely different idea I had while looking at the map... how treacherous is the coastline Beyond The Wall? Rather than The North + Night's Watch earning the loyalty of the Wildlings by letting them come south, I wonder if Asha could take boats all the way north, and offer to transport large numbers of Wildlings back south in exchange for their loyalty. With Jason having access to the Lannister treasury, it's not like Asha couldn't afford to feed them.
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>>6392507
>Jon sends ravens to all corners of the land asking for help against the wildlings
>Jason and Asha answer the call and arrive at the same time as Stannis
>Melisandre starts salivating over the potential kingsblood sacrifices
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>>6392505
>The problem with waiting for Tywin to die is the Red Wedding. There just isn't any coming back from that as a Lannister.
Right, then I suppose my hope is that, by that point in the timeline, we've established our retinue and personal power bloc to the extent that we can break off, hold Tywin and Cersei accountable, and force the remaining Lannisters to fall in line. I do think it would be a fun and cool arc for Jason to set out on, though it feels quite at odds with the notion that Jason lacks ambition (which is fine by me, I'm not committed to that as a trait and would like for us to gradually aim higher).
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>>6392495
I think the operative difference here is treating Spain as the equivalent of Essos writ-large rather than one of the free cities. If we treat Rome as the expy for Valyria it pulls together nicely. Interestingly, the difference in time span is a couple decades shy of being 400 years ago is when Valyria fell. And About 1700 years ago is when Rome split for us. With the Western portion collapsing entirely a century or so after. So a more apt comparison would be like Spain vs. Germany or rather, Iberia vs. Germania.
I think most likely we'll go from the Stepstones to Lys. Then trail up and trace the coast until we get to Volantis, making stops in the disputed lands and the orange shore along the way as necessary. Probably as very minor, glossed over thing just to pick up supplies.
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It was staring us in the face the whole time. Dr. Acula, welcome.
>>6392497
I think the most likely to cause Tywin's death would be Doran and Varys. Oberyn being an extension of Doran in this case since they both want it for the same reason and they are constantly meeting up and talking about this kind of stuff. But I would like to personally avoid a civil war, and I'm sure Tywin would, too. Just to maintain that imperious Lannister aura he's been farming. You know, if Tywin wasn't a total fucknugget he'd be probably the greatest ruler in Westeros in general. But he just had to be a douche canoe.
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Any ship with a shallow uh. What's it called. Draft? Something like that I think should be able to sail up a river given it is wide enough. Longships have a notoriously shallow draft and really flat bellies which stops them from getting caught up on riverbeds. Even shallow rivers they can go through because they're nimble enough and light enough. I think smaller galleys would also be able to use a river like that.
Of course such a project to open up sea to river travel would be of little benefit to us since it would basically just let the Riverlanders put up toll bridges and checks along the rivers. It would be fantastic optics, though. "The man who merged the seas", "water bridger", "landbreaker". It would look good for traders, til the Riverlanders fucked it up by harassing everyone who tried to use it kek.
As for getting up to the far north and landing, I think the terrain is pretty bad because of how mountainous it is around the Frostfangs. And I don't think many if any want to cross them to the Frozen shore to get picked up. I don't think it's feasible to pick up wildlings from the Western side. The Eastern side has better spots for it. But hey, if it means not getting obliterated by the Others they might make a play at crossing the mountains to get picked up. We'd have to guarantee them we'd be there, though. And we'd have to hope the Others hadn't made it all the way down that side as well. Which would be probably easier for them since the terrain on that side is mostly flat and empty the whole way down unlike the other side's terrain.
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>>6392525
The thing with Jason and his "lack of ambition" that we've been told, is that it's a narrative that was constructed by his father along with all his shortcomings. It's not that he's mediocre or average in everything, that might be true, but if I remember correctly (and you anons could read it by yourself, I'm too lazy), is that it was written like "Tywin always said Jason was mediocre", talking from his perspective.
Yeah, we've been told from memories and by Jason himself that he was bad in a lot of things too, but that doesn't mean that Tywin was biased because he didn't got a normal child and a Jamie Part 2: More Incestuous
How I see it, I say that Jason might be more aimless than anything, and being hated by his dad since he can remember didn't helped him to lift his head up and think big instead of just barely meeting standards (just so his father doesn't treat him like a bitch). If the Red Wedding happens, and maybe if Jason knows about Cersei and Jamie before that (even though I don't think this second point is that important compared to the first one), I can see it unforl the same way as it happened the other times where Jason stood up by himself: When he supported Tyrion in the bar, and when he ordered and discussed with Asha on the ship.
On that update when picking up the Martell's people, there was a hint that deep down Jason has a fire. Maybe it will be ignited during our trip to Valyria/Volantis, or when the Red Wedding happens and we discover everything, at least, that's how I believe the Punished Jason arc will start
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>>6392316
Assuming the red wedding still happens with Asha gaining enough renown from Valyria trip to rally a fleet together to transport Northern army bypassing the Frey's entirely. There is a very good chance the Red Wedding doesn't happen this time.
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Funny fact, the Blackfyre's are still alive but only through their female lines and the Golden Company was only forced to pivot to the Targs because they literally ran out of sons LOL(or the more honest answer being the Blackfyre women refused to keep sacrificing them). Would be interesting to see if the Blackfyre women show up in this quest or not. Especially since they are apparently distinctly different from their male counterparts alone given how they didn't get themselves all killed and did just fine for themselves with their Golden Company enforcers.
>>6392339
There are a lot of them/strong influence around the Iron Islands and the Ironborn are 'especially' blessed by them, unlike the Mer who show up elsewhere as well. No way to really access it without being able to breathe underwater, though. The sea priests are right about that.
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There is confirmed massive amounts of intact weirwood beams in Harrenhall that can be salvaged for shipwood if we are that ballsy. There is also several destroyed groves and a destroyed fortress made of weirdwood that might also be salvageable, but its far older so it's far less likely.
>>6392404
They would hate Jason for being a Lannister. His Kraken wife, on the other hand...that they would find fucking hilarious and give them a strong sense of schedunfreude. Especially the idea of the Lion being overtaken and pulled under by the kraken...my god that shit would kill them from laughing so hard. Many a Dornish noble is gonna deeply regret missing that tournament just from missing the shit show between Asha and Cersei alone. Much less our confession but that is only true once they confirmed Asha with their own eyes as for Jason? Still a shitty Lannister but Asha? 11/10 by Dornish standards.
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>>6392529
>If the Red Wedding happens, and maybe if Jason knows about Cersei and Jamie before that (even though I don't think this second point is that important compared to the first one)
Even if Tyrion isn't taken hostage by Cat, and Ned isn't beheaded and is just sent to the wall, I think Robb will still rebel when the rivalry between Lannister and Stark goes hot. Cersei already killed Jon Arryn to hide the truth, it's very highly likely she will kill Robert and take hostile action against Ned to do the same.
When all of that comes to a boil, the ravens will take wing and everyone will hear the allegations about Cersei's incest. Stannis cites the letters himself, and Ned's having revealed it. If we don't catch wind of the incest on our own, when we hear about it that way we won't be able to deny the obviousness of it, especially with our basic Maester education.
I think as soon as Joffrey takes the throne, Jason would have a reasonable impetus to make major moves, and when the Wedding happens, given how we voted with the Martells and that characterized him rejecting Tywin's dishonorable impulses, it'd be difficult to argue that Jason wouldn't attempt to seize his inheritance to save the family.
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>>6392507
A thing to keep in mind is how fuckhuege Westeros and really the planet in general is. Like, no really the geography is fucked. Actively made worse by active divine intervention. Hence the fucked up winters and why Stormlands are literally called the Stormlands.
Also the wildlings are called the Free Folk for a reason.
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QM outright admitted MC is mediocre as fuck during character building except for a single special interest/talent of his. In terms of ambition that is a character trait that can potentially change but in character Jason seemed more interested in trying to protect the Lannisters rather than reach even further and 'win' more unlike Tywin. Ergo him interested in killing the Mountain and trying to salvage the Lannister reputation.
Tywin hates Jason for 2 reasons. 1 reminds him of the Laughing Lion(by far his biggest 'crime') and 2 being too mediocre compared to his siblings(even fucking Tyrion despite being a dwarf is at least smart). Yes this blatantly ignores Jason's talent for building but apparently Tywin not only doens't give a shit about that but actively tries to sabotage it.
Really the only reason Jason isn't a complete fuckup is that he deeply understood the virtue of humbleness in a leader and by some fucked up miracle of twisted irony(probably due to how bizarrely pure, innocent, and dense he is) retained a sense of honor, dignity, and principles which gave him a spine despite Tywin's best efforts to crush it. Even Asha first thing she ever did when she tested Jason was to see if he had a spine or not.
Personally I hope there isn't gonna be a Punished Jason(although it would fit the setting). I just hope that the world finds out the hard way that Jason had a spine and principles all along(despite Tywin and Asha indicating otherwise). He just never saw reason to show his claws and roared before.
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>>6392540
>I just hope that the world finds out the hard way that Jason had a spine and principles all along
I also hope that's the outcome when the time comes, it's a lot more fitting for the type of character he is: the meek that's better not to mess with
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>>6392540
>Yes this blatantly ignores Jason's talent for building but apparently Tywin not only doens't give a shit about that but actively tries to sabotage it.
Tywin very actively dismisses positive qualities of his children to tear them down. Except Jaime until he put on the white cloak. He's kind of a dick like that lmao.
Also apropos of nothing, I did find stuff about that black stone theory and found a video that gathered it up pretty well. So I shall be linking that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiHDmj2jrtI
>>6392544
Sleeping? In the Lion's house? Impossible.You chill, plug, take your time kek
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>>6392540
Tp clarify, Tywin does find Jason's skill in architecture useful, and does not activlty sabotage all his projects. He fast tracked Jason's admistration of the rock because of his skill, with Jason leading the restoration of much of the rock's more ancient forgotten halls.
However, something i'll go into later in a post, is that Tywin thinks Jason is to focused on solving problems rather than benefiting from them.
Tywin weakened Jason's defense plan not out of spite, but because of various political and practical reasons.
first primary reason being that the Lord Paramoount relying on his smallfolk to protect themselves is bad optics in you want to appear strong and in control, especially after the destruction of the Lannister fleet.
Second, With the Lannister fleet being repaired, and the Smallfolk handling the defense, they may get ideas that they do not need the Lannister fleet and by extension the Lannisters. A dangerous prospect.
So in Tywin's eyes, its good to have the structures and plan, but unless he can do it without damaging the visage of the house, he will undermanned it so that the peasants feel safe but ultimately are still reliant on the Lannister fleet and their lords bannerman.
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>>6392548
Honestly, that kinda makes it worse. As the defense plans were hinged around Knightholdings and lightbearers. Enough to fight off raids, but nothing serious. Good enough to send off a message and rally a local response force from nearby bannermen and knights, or if too big a threat a retreat. It doesn't do much against a serious attack, much less an invasion. Good enough at scaring off raiders because Ironborn raiders are shit.
The coastal bannermen would also benefit massively from the arrangement, wealthier smallfolk to tax and far more knightholds to raise troops from. While the Lannisters would look amazing because holy shit the Westerlands no longer get raided anymore and what raiders do show up get BTFO.
So he screws over Jason, the smallfolk, hedge knights, and coastal bannermen who all would have been depending upon those defense plans. Makes sense from his position sorta but it doesn't change the fact that Jason ultimately did it with defenses in mind that he was entrusting it largely towards to the local gentry(knightholdings) and coastal bannermen. The smallfolk would have benefited certainly but its not like he was arming them and he was planning to land a LOT of previously unlanded and otherwise screwed hedge knights to establish those knightholds and man the defenses required. Which would have directly led to a not insignificant increase in men at arms and knights that could be raised from the Westerlands. Naturally the coastal bannermen would have been ecstatic. Losses from raids would plummet, tax and levies would increase.
They won't say anything since it's their current liege Tywin but oh boy are those guys gonna be rightfully pissed and siding with Jason who was trying to do them a huge favor out of nowhere. Not to mention all the smallfolk, small gentry, and hedge knights who also got royally screwed.
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By the time Asha returned, you had set aside the spiced dates knowing that if allowed you would not stop, a gross lack of self control that almost won. As you cleaned your hands, Asha returned and you were both thrilled and a little disappointed. She had elected not to wear any of the dornish silks provided by Lord Uller, stating that the fabric was too smooth and light on her skin and was uncomfortable. So she had instead chosen a shirt of yours to act as her small clothes as she climbed into bed, one of your more comfortable ones that you favored, it looking better on her than yourself. She gracelessly climbed into bed, throwing a few of the soft pillows onto the ground before she settled herself in, grabbing the back of your robe and pulling you down to lay beside her. You did what was expected of you, letting her use one of your arms as a pillow as she laid close to you. The proximity of another person in your bed was something you never expected to like, but after so long with Asha, you had grown to miss it whenever her sailing took her away for days at a time. The warmth, tenderness, and the feeling that you could be so close to someone while having your walls lowered, were things you treasured.
“You better drop that chivalry shit when we get to Essos though,” Asha began, before you made a surprised face.
“Of course. Oh I can go on and on about how useful chivalry is in Westeros, hell it’s respected by wildlings and even in the Iron Isles despite the cultural divide.” You said, before grimacing “But Essos? The land where flesh is traded and shipped like wheat? Where every blade has a purse string attached to it? Where every merchant thinks himself nobility because he may buy and sell cheese like no other?” You sighed, reminded of the land you were sailing to “No, no I know that I cannot trust the tools and laws of men in that strange land. No, in those waters, I shall bow before only one law.” You said, making an awkward bow to the Ironborn women lying beside you.
“Oh? You mean I’m in charge when we get out there?”
“On the sea, most certainly. And if I am being a trusting fool, you and Tyrion will be my sword and shield. And should I foolishly believe I discovered a rare instance of honor or decency within those lands, I’m sure Sandor or Humfrey can knock me out to avoid disaster. If you don’t get to me first of course,” you said, leaning over and kissing your wife’s smug smile.
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“Hmm, and yet your father has to gall to doubt your wisdom.” She said, before deciding the bed frame needed a structural test.
The next day, you awoke sore and with some fresh bite marks on your neck that you would thankfully be able to cover with a shirt. You rose and saw Asha standing at the window staring out into the sea, drinking her morning tea. You had been surprised to find she liked tea so much, being an Ironborn savage, but you kept that to yourself to avoid getting throttled. You walked up and saw a cup was ready for you, though hers was a different color than your own. She preferred a different blend, so you were simply happy she went through the trouble of brewing you your favorite blend from the vale.
“So, any plans today Lady Asha?” You asked, settling in besides her, a smile on your face as you stared down at the Iron Lion in the port.
“None really, besides lay around and wait to be back in the sea. This town is too quiet and hot for me, so I don’t see myself exploring much. Plus if I start a bar fight that might be rude to our hosts.” She said boredly, taking a deep drink of her tea then dumping it out the window into the sea below. “You?”
“Well, I actually have a favor to ask of you,” you said, smiling to Asha hopefully as she leveled a neutral stare at you “You see, Prince Oberyn, despite his injury, invited me to spar with him.”
“And you’re afraid of a crippled man?”
“No, not entirely, but I recognize this crippled man may be beyond my skill all the same with his mastery of spears. Mainly though,” you said, looking down to the Iron Lion “ I need to go check on Humfrey. Sarella’s reveal caught us all off guard but I fear he may have taken a wound from it.” You said, looking to the reprisal eyes of Asha.
“So you think he is what? Crying on my ship because the pretty face he liked lied to him? He’s a knight, he’s fought battles and has had many girls flock to him. I’m sure he’s fine, perhaps even finding another dark skinned beauty to sweep off her feet.”
You shook your head, offering a sad smile “Do not doubt the frailty of a loving heart. Especially the one of a man so captured by a woman.” You said, gently taking Asha’s hand and kissing it “You may not like it, but us Greenlander’s treasure our lady loves attention and gaze. Another frailty the Ironborn lack I assume?” You said, watching Asha blush as you placed a few more kisses up her arm. “I hope you can forgive this of m- Oof.”
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You were bodily shoved by Asha, who looked to be fuming as her blush overtook her pale features “Oh just go already, I’ll take care of the Prince. Go serenade him or drink yourselves into a stupor, I don’t care. Just go before I get annoyed.” She said, crossing her arms and looking away from you.
“Thank you Asha, I’m blessed to be your husband.” You said, noting how she did not resist you hugging her or kissing her cheek.
“Damn right you are,” she said with a smile, you running off to help your friend and his ailing heart.
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Once Jason had left the room, Asha waited until she could no longer hear the echoes of his footsteps. Then, when the quiet came, her smile melted away and she leaned back against the cool stone wall, the damned taste of tansy still on her tongue. “Gods damn him,” she said, placing a hand over her eyes to block out the world “Why can’t he be more like his father? Why does he have to make this so damned hard?”
Asha saw visions of blond hair, of dark eyes, of stamping feet on the deck of a ship, of a daughter bringing back the spoils of a reaving, to a son being knighted, so many ideas. “Fucking, I don’t-I-Ugh!” She said, grabbing the tea pot she had been using for moon tea ever since she married Jason and throwing it at the horizon, watching it tumble and disappear into the sea. She let out a groan as she began to angrily get dressed “does he not care? Why do I care? Ughhhh!” She growled out, her mind unable to agree with her heart and both swapping opinions every second. She flopped onto the bed, her hair a mess and her clothing half done as she stared up at the ceiling.
She slowly looked out the window, then decided she’d have to ask Tysha to go buy a new tea pot or something. “Asha you fucking idiot.” Asha said to herself, missing her tea pot already as she stood up and finished getting dressed, grabbing her hand axes and strapping them to her hips, not expecting to need them but a reaver should never be unarmed.
Stepping to the door, she looked at the bed she and Jason had shared and placed a hand in her belly. Then she left, ready to burn off some energy by beating on a cripple.
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You watched as the Iron Lion moved ever closer, your steps eating up the distance as you had a bottle of ale in your hand, you not being sure what else to bring but hoping for success nonetheless. You stepped onto the ship’s Gangplank, up onto the deck, then made to descend into the lower deck where the more cramped rooms for the crew were located. Instead you stopped, hearing a noise from the captain’s quarters that slowed your step. “Oh, I suppose there’s no harm in sleeping in better lodgings while alone, though I hope he didn’t mess with Asha’s things…”
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You stepped up to the door, pulling out your key and unlocking it “Humfrey! Hey, I’m here to check up on you!” You said, pushing the door open.
“Wait Lord Jason I-“
“Oh don’t worry, I won’t tell Asha you used our r-“ you stopped in the doorway as you looked at the bed. You saw dark skin grasped by white, clothing that was neither yours or Asha’s, and even saw Sarella’s- “I’ll come back later, apologies.” You shut the door and walked to the front of the ship, sitting down and opening the bottle of ale. Leaning back and staring at Hellgate Holt, you shook your head "Definitely can’t tell Asha…”
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Asha stepped onto the training yard within the walls of Hellgate holt, feeling ready for a fight as she approached Oberyn Martell, who had a far better quality of cast around his leg as he supported himself with one of his spears. When he saw Asha approach, he made a bemused smile and welcomed her with his open arm “Lady Asha, a pleasure to see you on this fine morning. Though I must ask, have you changed your name to Jason since last we saw each other? I believe I invited him.”
Asha placed the words in their proper order in her head, the right intonation and phrasing that would be socially acceptable amongst nobility. She the. Threw it into the chum bucket that was her respect for it “He’s worried Humfrey’s a mess after Sarella betrayed him, and he doesn’t think he’d be a fun match for you, so he begged me to keep you entertained and maybe give you a few bruises.”
Oberyn’s smiles shifted from bemused to mocking “Oh my, quite bold Lady Asha, in manner and word. I would have thought the Old Lion would have taught you better by now.”
Asha stood firm and proper, her voice shifting to one of a proper lady “Oh Lord Tywin has certainly gone to great lengths to wring out my uncouth and savage behavior, he’s quite adamant that the future Lady Lannister be the ideal Southern Lady, hands nipped by sewing and cooking.” She before rolling her eyes and throwing that parody away “The day I give that gold shitting, snake tongued bastard any kind of win is the day I throw myself into the sea and swim to the Drowned God’s hall.” Asha walked over to the training weapons, going over a few before picking up a pair of heavy clubs with padded heads. She swung them around a couple times as Oberyn watched.
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“Well said, it seems you have a proper hatred for the Lord Paramount.” He said, pushing himself onto his one foot and staying stable, Asha watching the man’s footing but already adjusting so she can take full advantage of the injury “Now, let’s see if you are worth my disappointment. While I had no doubts as to my beating the Little Lion, I hope you provide enough challenge as to make up for what I would have asked him.” he said, positioning himself so that his weak leg was behind his body and his training spear at the ready, his profile to Asha “Whenever you like, Lady Lannister.” He said, the mocking tone making Asha glare at him.
Asha didn’t respond to the jab, instead charging to the side, aiming to come around to the back of Oberyn while his ability to shift his position was compromised. Oberyn watched Asha as she charged in then, with the smaller spear in his opposite hand, spun on his good foot and brought the haft of the weapon screaming for Asha’s leg, striking her knee and making her yell out as Oberyn adjusted his position, smirking at the ironborn “Oh, striking at my back, Seems you do not have the bullheadedness of the Northern Knights. I believe, however, that is a point for me, lest you think you’d survive with a stabbed leg?” he said, twirling the war spear in his dominant hand.
Asha shook out the soreness in her leg, readjusting her assumptions on this man as she spun the clubs in her hands, slowly circling Oberyn “Is your leg really broken?”
“Fractured, thankfully. Though the Maester did not care for my insistence on this bout, I thought I’d have no trouble with Lord Lannister. Though, if you plan to fight so predictably, I may have no trouble with you either.” He said, offering another mocking smile that made Asha flare up in anger.
Asha charged forward, readying her clubs. Oberyn sent out a stab with his war spear, the shorter spear shooting out further than Asha expected. Asha adjusted as she smacked it aside with a club, then as she ran past its tip she raised her other club to bring it down on Oberyn. Then the long spear Oberyn had been using to support himself came and slammed into the side of her head, making her vision flash and leaving her unable to stop Oberyn as he took her legs out from under her with his war spear, the entire move one or two motions that left the Dornishman balanced on a foot and both spears at the ready, before he went back to support his weight on his second spear. “You got close that time, maybe if you charge in a third time it’ll work.”
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>>6392593
Asha rose to her feet, her ear ringing and her ankles hurting. Shaking her head, she brought her clubs up, reevaluating everything she had expected from this fight.
“So is Lord Jason an attentive man?” Oberyn asked, twirling his war spear between his fingers as he kept a ready but relaxed stance.
“What?” Asha asked incredulously, not dropping her guard.
“Is he attentive? Detail oriented? Does he do thorough work? I believe myself Fluent in the common tongue, am I mistaken?”
“Uh I mean, uh… Well yes, very much. Especially when he gets into a project or focused on something.” She said, saying her words cautiously as she didn’t see the game yet.
“Ah that explains it. Then you must have been his sole focus last night.” he said, making Asha’s eyes grow wide.
“Did you spy on us?!”
“Oh no no, I was only forced to listen. You were quite loud, quite passionate.“ He said with a mocking smile, Asha’s face beginning to turn red “I ask because, to me, it sounded as if he was putting finer details on a map he knew well. It was not the sound of a reluctant exploration or an inexperienced one.”
“Can we focus on the fight, rather than what me and Jason do in t-”
“Do you love him?”
Asha paused, staring at Oberyn in shock as her mind sputtered and stalled. She tried to shout at him, to toss an insult, but she tripped over her own tongue.
“Ah, I must applaud him. I did not think he had the temperament to tame a kraken.”
“He didn’t tame me!” Asha said, growling it out, before her tone became more gentle. “He… he respects me too much. He doesn’t insult me by pitying me, or coddling me. When his father tried to break me, Jason let me be angry, let me hate everything, let me stew, all while being close so I’d have someone. He’s…he’s nothing like his father…”
Oberyn was silent for a time, taking in the words. He nodded, a genuine smile on his face “That’s good. The world has one too many Tywin Lannisters.” He said, watching Asha nod in agreement. Then, he cut through the moment “Does he know you don’t want to have his child?”
Asha’s focus shattered, her memory of this morning flooding back, her guilt and her conflicting ambition in her gut.
She would spend days trying to figure out what happened, but when she lost her focus, Oberyn Martell with a fractured leg had closed the distance between himself and her, and scored not only a blow to her neck and heart, but also knocked her to the ground.
“I believe that is 5 to 0 Lady Asha. I believe we can call it there for today.” he said, tucking the spear beneath his arm and using the other to limp to the weapons rack where a crutch was waiting.
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>>6392596
“How did you know?” Asha said, scrambling to her feet, her gut tightening at the knowledge someone knew what she was doing.
Oberyn laughed, switching to a crutch and limping back over “Lady Asha, I am father to 8 beautiful daughters raised to be proud, confident, dornish women and some of whom have inherited their father’s passion.” He said, shrugging casually “I know the smell of Moon tea well, any responsible father should if he wishes to protect his daughters.” he said, before leaning on the weapons rack, shaking his head “I must ask though, You love him, and he does you. You respect each other, and find comfort in one another’s arms often. Yet, you hold back from him…Why?”
Asha held that question in her mind as she stood there, ignoring the pains in her body as her heart strained. She felt that desire again, that fantasy of Blond hair racing across the decks of a ship, of laughter echoing in the halls of the rock. She remembered her mother, and how much she respected the care she had for Asha and her siblings. Then she remembered her mother had no children left to her, two sons slain, one son taken, and a daughter married off. Asha tried to keep the face of her mother out of her head, the face she made when Asha sailed away on a Lannister ship.
“...Because…If I did…I wouldn’t be able to be Asha Greyjoy anymore. I’d become someone else and… that woman wouldn’t be strong enough to protect them.” She said, bitterly, painfully, hatefully “She wouldn’t have the power, she wouldn’t have the strength, the men, the weapons, the status. Not the kind she’d need.” She said, gripping the clubs in her hands tightly, almost crushing them.
“...Not against the Old Lion?” Oberyn asked expectantly.
Asha shook her head “Not as long as he lives…and my father…”
“The Lord reaper threatens your child? I thought he would welcome such a thing.”
Asha leveled a murderous glare, the kind that had the warmth and sweetness of the Iron isles, of the storm and the reavers that called it home “He doesn’t deserve them, not my children. He killed my brothers, lost Theon, tore us all away from him and our mother. Because of his fucking pride, because he hated his father, because he thought his pile of rock and salt was equal to the iron throne.” Asha said, letting the venom flow out. The face of her mother, twisted in anguish as she was held back on the docks of Pyke, flew into her mind. Asha felt her eyes begin to burn, before throwing one of the clubs at the weapon rack and knocking the weapons down.
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>>6392597
Oberyn said nothing, looking at the seething young woman, seeing a pain of loss and the rage of unspent vengeance within her. “You are a wise woman, Asha Greyjoy. Lord Jason is lucky to have you, and I think you may have been blessed he found you.” Oberyn said, standing and limping over to Asha “Come, let’s drink. It’ll numb the pain, of the body and the soul.” he said, letting the smile slip away and show his own pain and rage, letting it mirror Asha for just a moment.
It felt a little less lonely for them both.
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You sat on the Deck of the Iron Lion, listening to Humfrey walk over as he saw Sarella, blushing and hiding her face from Jason’s awkward wave as she sped off. Humfrey sat down next to you, with you handing off the Ale “So, I take it you and Sarella are doing alright?” you said with a knowing smile, trying to break the tension.
Instead, you saw Humfrey watching Sarella leave, his face not one of a man in a passionate relationship with a fiery Dornish woman. Your attempt at a smile faded, replaced with a thoughtful expression “It still hurts then?”
Humfrey nodded, letting out a sigh as he took a drink from his Ale “She…she apologized to me. She said sorry so many times, and…I could not resist her as she tried to pay for the pain she caused.” he said, his eyes looked hollow “I…The fire is there but…I still feel cold. I tried to embrace it, to forgive her. I want to forgive her, I… do not wish to lose her but…” he trailed off, cursing beneath his breath.
You lacked the wisdom to help your friend in this. You had been Betrothed to Asha, and had little to no experience with romance prior to your time with her. You did not know the sting of the heart break he was feeling, but you did know one thing. When you were sad, feeling low or worthless, it was your brothers who were there for you.
You placed an arm around Humfrey’s shoulder, giving him a firm shake to help him shake off the angst “I’ll be the first to admit I have no talent with words, and my twin is the one wise with women, or so he’d like to claim.” You said, smiling at the small laugh from Humfrey “But, I’m here to support you with company, an ear, or a purse to drink your woes away. And if I may offer my own lacking wisdom… its best you ask yourself, how much pain are you willing to pay for that love in your heart? And how much love will Sarella pay for the pain she’s caused you. If they are equal, it may be worth it. If the pain is greater, then perhaps you should find someone else. If her love is greater, then I’ll cheer for you when it finally pays for your pain.” You said, then raised a brow as Humfrey laughed “Oh, did I make a joke?”
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>>6392599
“No no, I,” he snorted as he released some of the tension in his shoulders. “It’s just funny to me that you made it a whole debt thing. Like your family creed.” He said.
You considered that for a second, then let out a laugh and laid back on the deck of the ship “By the Seven I did, gods that’s sad.” You said, before Humfrey and you shared a laugh.
You both spent the next hour drinking and using company to tend to his wounded heart. Then you ran out of ale and went out to find more, Humfrey and you dropping honorifics and being just two young men on an adventure through life and the world.
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You set sail early the next day, Lord Harmen giving you a set of Dornish throwing spears, finely made, as a gift. You took the gift gratefully, knowing that this was the official end of guest right but choosing to maintain decorum.
Prince Oberyn gave you a recipe book, filled with Dornish recipes of the spicy foods you had enjoyed, as well as a few crates of supplies to help you cook them.
Sarella had come back aboard, earning a glare from Asha and Sandor, but you, Humfrey, and Tyrion welcomed her back. You openly, Humfrey hesitantly, and Tyrion politely.
With things restocked and the path open for you, it was time to push to Essoes.
>Stop first at Lys, to restock and to pace your journey so you do not strain your supplies or come too close to the step stones. This will extend your trip a few days, and will put you even further behind Uncle Gerion than you already are.
>Make for Volantis with all haste. You have the supplies to make it, and you will arrive with not much time lost, however this will bring you closer to the stepstones as well as the southern coast of Essos.
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
(+5 Disposition with Ser Humfrey Hightower, 15/20)
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>>6392600
>>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
Seems like good fun! That, and I figure that having a few more good ships and good men to crew them would do us well, both on the expedition and in the long-term.
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
Extra ships and extra bodies will be useful forwhen Euron decides to show his ugly mug and fuck everything upI mean carrying all the loot we're gonna collect from Valyria, and I doubt one to two weeks will really screw with our plans.
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Now I've gone down some theory rabbit holes and I am struck with consideration for our journey to Valyria. Thinking that we might benefit more (in terms of risk vs rewards) from visiting certain ruined cities in proximity rather than the island of Valyria itself. But I also don't want to blab about these potential things or risks for fear of stepping on toes or stumbling onto surprises. I have two places in mind, specifically. With different dangers each. And potentially different rewards.
>>6392585
Though to be fair in terms of centralized power, you do not particularly want hedge knights and rogue knights. You would want landed knights. Which all of the coastal lands are likely accounted for thus. You would then only see a benefit if those landed men had sufficient forces and resources to man them without relying on smallfolk and wandering knights. So there would need to be a build up of wealth and men in those existing landed coastal bannermen for Tywin to want to fully man and utilize the defenses. I can get where he's coming from. It's all about centralization. Or rather, avoiding decentralization. He cannot ensure absolute control over things if smallfolk do not feel beholden to him or his men. Tywin naturally defaults to the fear side of the equation of being feared and loved. He will never assume goodwill will be of use or be substantive enough to act as a guarantee.
>>6392590
>You had been surprised to find she liked tea so much
A HA. kek Jason is dense as gold. What a lad. He truly is Asha's bane.
>>6392592
The cock blockening begins.
>>6392600
If a Lannister always pays his debts, it's no wonder why Jason gets Asha screaming ever time they share a bed. Paid back IN FULL. Attaboy.
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
I'm hoping Gerion will have some complications on his journey which delay him. Not accounting for potential interpretations of meta knowledge. Such aswhether or not he tries to negotiate with his men before they desert and for how long. Or for how long he takes to replace them with slaves and make sure they can actually sail properlyHowever Summer Islanders are renowned island hoppers, seafarers and marksmen. All very good qualities to have on a ship. And hopefully driven enough not to chicken out at the last minute. Though perhaps it is wiser to catch up with Gerion as swiftly as possible and combine our knowledge and means. A gamble on top of a gamble it seems.
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>>6392613
>Thinking that we might benefit more (in terms of risk vs rewards) from visiting certain ruined cities in proximity rather than the island of Valyria itself.
I very much agree. Valyria itself is beyond fucked, and whatever is there is absolutely not worth the effort of dealing with the evil shit left behind; we'd be better off picking clean the surrounding islands and maybe dredging up the sea floor/digging through shipwrecks (if we're feeling brave enough). QM has only confirmed that WE (Jason) will survive the expedition: Sarella, Humfrey, Gerion, and maybe even Asha's lives are still very much on the line here.
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
Lol whose up for a glorious suicide mission? Also we need more boats for when we inevitably get shipwrecked without the means of repairs because lol no trees. Gotta have a backup plan for escaping in that hellhole.
Once again we get denied a glimpse into Asha's plots but at least we finally get a look at her mindset. Interesting to know Asha didn't want kids without power to protect her family. She doesn't know yet that Balon changed his mind about being a traditionalist and instead seeks reform intending to back her. Damn, Tywin must have blocked the letters and messages from the Iron Islands completely from her. Surviving Valyria will certainly get her the power and renown she seeks from the Ironborn. The drinks thing concerns me though...but apparently the two of them agree on a lot of stuff just as planned.
>>6392613
Jason's plan was to mandate the issuance of land parcels to increase the number of knightholdings to garrison the defensive holdings. Naturally they would belong to the related bannermen on the coast, making more landed knights. Which Tywin apparently took issue with.
Also funny to find out how sexually compatible the two of them are apparently...and extremely loud. Honestly I feel bad for the crew now. Goddamn. With a cock truly denser than gold that can plunge into the deepest trenches of the depths lol.
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
It will take precious time, BUT, if Gerion gets stopped like what >>6392613 said, that means we would meet him in time
Or, at least, we would arrive just in time when things get ugly, and get to Gerion with a lot of food, men and a big recipe book for all this side of the world
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>>6392616
Ah but there is glory there. And glory makes men immortal, don't you know? but yeah. In my mind I can envision certain rewards being elsewhere as well as on the main island itself. It's just that the main island has the highest density of "there could be good shit here", while simultaneously having the highest "You are going to fucking die, and it is not going to be pretty" as well.
>>6392618
>Which Tywin apparently took issue with.
This would create new land owners, which would either take from existing ones, or at the very least create tension between the old landed men and the new landed men at having so much competition so suddenly. Tywin really would be juggling trying to keep everyone satisfied. While a slower and "worse" approach could lead to better results down the line. There's logic behind it.
>jason screams because she almost broke his finger
>asha screams because she almost broke his finger
topkek
>>6392619
>gerion mid tussle with a fuckass fire-squid or some bullshit trying to pull his boat down into the smoking deeps
>"I have a smoothie, uncle!"
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>>6392600
>>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
I trust Asha to be able to turn that week of distance into just two or three days. After this detour though, we should laser in and not let Gerion get any farther ahead. He probably won't survive a week in Valyria.
An extra ship or two, a few hedge knights, and some more minor house younglings though? Sounds fucking awesome. Would be really cool if we found some rando like Bronn or Ser Duncan, even, who has crazy potential but would've just stayed small potatoes without some random non-heir goober (Tyrion/Egg) taking a shine to them. We'll be the Crown Prince of Latter-born Lords! Plus I trust QM to come up with some cool NPC's.
Awesome update dude, you are really hitting a groove now that you get to sink your teeth into something fresh!
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>>6392616
The main island itself is a fucking deathtrap on crack alone given the concentration of blood magic plague that will be there. The same can be said of the slave pits, mines, and blood mage bases. There is no way we can survive the main island itself. No surviving walking those streets. It just ain't happening.
We also have to dodge all fucking monsters, chimera, demons, and abominations wandering around. Which are apparently big and strong enough to fuck up a fully grown dragon at its peak. Hence being armed is also vital with the list of previously suggested items of high importance. Not to mention the obvious environmental hazards like no resupply, lava, and toxic gases. Not to mention the constant quakes and eruptions.
Our best bet is avoiding the main island and identifying the blood magic centers to avoid like the goddamn plague deathtrap centers that they are.
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>>6392625
>Awesome update dude,
I really liked how Asha was being a tsundere. But for a good reason. It's tragic but also hopeful at the same time. Makes me wanna make Jason a man worth her heart. Truly, I simp for squids.
>>6392627
>Our best bet is avoiding the main island and identifying the blood magic centers to avoid like the goddamn plague deathtrap centers that they are.
>meanwhile, my goofy ass pinpointing a totally not blood magic tainted place to want to go to
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>>6392628
I have to say tho, if Asha would at some point say that she wishes for him to be like his father, I would say he would lose his shit
Truly something devastating. I trust that, if they have this fight, she will be wise enough to word it some other way so she can avoid the primordial nuke that would blow
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>>6392633
If she said she wished Jason was more like his father I think he would unlock 300% autismo power and start levitating in sheer outrage. But since she is mulling it over and really chewing on the thought, she's probably going through it in her head to play it out. She'll probably start pushing Jason to be more ambitious and more cunning. Since Jason is seemingly a man without guile or malice. And while Jason could probably run a scheme if he had it rehearsed with someone thoroughly enough, he has no reason to really hold hate in his heart like most people can.
One could even say that Jaime stole all of Tywin's talent, Cersei all his malice, Tyrion all his wit, and Jason was left only with his blood. Perhaps then what Jason got was more of his mother than his father. Though if someone said that around Tywin he'd probably have them drowned in piss for "disparaging" his late wife by comparing her with his disappointment of a son.
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>>6392624
>Jason, coming off of the Iron Lion with 6 Galleons behind him, without an eye and a exotic, deadly bird perched on his shoulder
>Gerion and his men look at Jason, malnourished and wounded
>"Jason, my dear nephew... What do you have there?"
>"Uuuuh, this is a smoothie Uncle Gerion, one of the few delicacies I learned from Essos, I have a full block of ice to keep making it! Wanna try?"
>"Smoo- a block of ice? Goddamit, no Jason! What in the seven hells you have on your shoulder!?"
>"Huh? What?... Oh! This guy? I don't know actually. I was looking on the nearby islands and I found this old coat, as soon as I put it on this feathered and scaly friend came out of the woods and sat on my shoulders. You have no idea how useful he's been when telling us where to find new treasures"
>"What?! Do you mean it can speak?!"
>Gerion starts holding his head as dread fills his face and then starts screaming
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>>6392638
>Perhaps then what Jason got was more of his mother than his father.
I've always imagined Tyrion was the most like his mother, not just the eyes or whatever, but the sort of kind and naive he can be. Another reminder of what he lost.
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>>6392633
>>6392638
to clarify, she said "why isn't he more like his father" to mean that if he was more like his piece of shit father, it would be easier for her to lie to him and to post pone having kids with him. As it is, him being who he is makes it hard for her to not want to start their family and hard for her to lie to him.
She does not want him to actually be like Tywin
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra
crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
>>6392590
>She said, before deciding the bed frame needed a structural test. The next day, you awoke sore and with some fresh bite marks
Ooohh, hot and sexy. Nice one Ja-
>watching Asha blush as you placed a few more kisses up her arm... Asha, who looked to be fuming as her blush overtook her pale features
AWW THAT'S SO ADORABLE! CUTE!
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>>6392639
>Uncle Gerion I found Brightroar.
>YOU WHAT!?
>Yeah it was kind of just on an island somewhere.
>Well why are we still here then?!
>I wanted to see if any buildings survived the doom.
JASON!!!!
>>6392640
That's fair. Tyrion does have a big heart and most of why he acts the way he does is because Tywin is such a relentless piece of filth.
>>6392644
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOgTllmr1E
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
A week is a lot. Though it can be cut a bit by Asha and Sarella skills. Its still a wonder what Gerion does inbetween. I am guessing we will find him in Valryia shores, not dead, but a a few of his crews deaths and some minor exploration done like 1-3 days. The best outcome would him taking his sweeet time to prep in Volantis and then we go behind him. And surprise : expedition meeting !
>Lord Harmen giving you a set of Dornish throwing spears, finely made, as a gift
Free ranged weapons ? Not bad. Jason is rocking a shield and sword, plus the usual knight plate and mail from my understanding. This throwing spears are actually of great use since there is a lot of large sized monsters in Valyria. A large projectile getting in their body should be of help. Then again if they have natural armor we are fucked ......
>Prince Oberyn gave you a recipe book
This will help when making camp. Also for the future. But it does have an use even now, meals variety helps keeping morale up of the men and companions.
Also good progress with Asha and Humfrey, Sarella help proves excellent.
>>6392613
Where are we are going on Valryia depends how we find our Uncle :
- If we manage to catch Uncle Gerion before the Valryia sea and discuss with him
- Or if we have to go on one of the shores where Uncle Gerion decided to start explore (and discuss with him upon finding him)
There is the very remote possibility Gerion takes his sweet time in Volantis but i dont see it if he wants to throw himself at adventure.
>>6392627
Don't forget the coastline and the waters ! Its probably hellish just to find a place to disembark and navigation will be a big problem. Does anyone have a detailed Valryia map (not that Jason can count on one) ? Ruins should be on all the islands, though the Valyrians would have naturally expanded a lot the urbanization likely at the heart of their volcanoes, where their main cities probably would have been made.
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
This will give us a road to returning Jalabhar Xho to his rightful throne
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I'm surprised yall actually thought she wanted him to be more like Tyrion. I thought it was pretty obvious that she meant she wished he was just some piece of shit she wouldn't feel bad about stabbing and throwing overboard.
Jason is such a lovable retard it makes her angry because she wants to have his kids but knows it would be hard to do that without giving up on her dreams of becoming a reaver queen and getting revenge on Tyrion
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>>6392652
Valyria used to be a peninsula before a lot of sunk beneath the waves. The remaining islands are presumably around the still active volcanoes and shattered coastlines. The spots to avoid the most are the areas with the highest concentrations of blood magick as it somehow turned into some kind of hellish lovecraftian demonic plague when the Doom happened.
>>6392655
I'm hoping they got shipwrecked on the way in because the king was a greedy fucker who wanted to loot everything and thus likely rushed directly into the heart. We are gonna be in deep shit trying to recover it if it landed directly on the main central island. I don't think he would be stupid enough to visit one of the slave pits or a mine but a mage tower is possible...I really hope not.
>>6392667
She wants power even MOAR now so she can safeguard her family. Doesn't help that Jason is someone she doesn't believe can protect himself(correctly). Right now, apparently she feels too threatened and weak to have a family. Jason makes her feel quite secure in herself, it just pisses her off to no end, he's the son of her mortal enemy. As he successfully scratches that prettyboy itch and can apparently keep up with her libido on top of handling her in general. So a priceless treasure of a lover to someone as domineering, ambitious, and vicious as Asha.
Naturally she is gonna have a LOT to talk about with Oberyn.Just as planned
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>>6392652
Part of me also wonders if there are some skillfully hidden recipes for poison in the cookbook. But I doubt it. Jason would be the type to sit down and codebreak a cookbook though if it got into his head. I believe.
>gerion
Yeah, ideally we still manage to catch him before he sets foot on Valyria, or, tries.
>>6392655
That is a good point. It's likely he'll do some checking around for rumors relating to Tommen 2nd or Valyrian steel swords.
>>6392660
What's funny is that if a bunch of Westerosi pulled up to the Summer Isles to fight a battle, they'd have to be stripped of their armor or they'd steamroll the fuck out of the Islanders. If the Maesters are right about the way the Islanders resolve their wars at least. Which is a gamble, because the maesters are boneheaded motherfuckers sometimes.
>>6392667
I totally had a brainfart. Forgive me my mushy brain. It is obvious looking at it again. I just for whatever reason had the shifter in reverse instead of first gear.
>>6392670
What are the odds that Oberyn or Doran start sending invitations to events to Jason and Asha? Zero, I already know. Since that would tip their hand to Tywin. But I can see them showing up to various events they have excuses to be at if they hear Jason will be there. If they aren't in Lannister land anyway. I expect an unusual number of more copper skinned men and women to get in touch with us kek
I can only imagine how psycho-bitch Asha would go for Jason if she ever hit 20/20 dispo.
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>>6392670
>Jason makes her feel quite secure in herself
The issue is that he doesn't. She's having to deal with the urge to have kids, which go directly against what she needs for her plans.
The woman literally started fantasizing about their kids, she's down baaad
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>>6392677
Thinking about kids, I wonder if the kid(s) will have better genetic resilience since it'll be between a Lannister and a Greyjoy, since they don't often hook up. Fresh gene pool shittery and all that. Surely that's gotta be a + for something.
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
>>6392660
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I've just remembered that "Little Valyrians" exist. Which are lemurs with silver fur and purple eyes. Sadly, they live up in the woods near Qohor so we can't get at them. I had the funny idea that we could buy or trap one and give it to BOBBY as a gift after we get back. He might get a kick out of it. Or it'd piss him off and he'd smash it with his hammer. I don't know.
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>>6392675
>What's funny is that if a bunch of Westerosi pulled up to the Summer Isles to fight a battle, they'd have to be stripped of their armor or they'd steamroll the fuck out of the Islanders. If the Maesters are right about the way the Islanders resolve their wars at least. Which is a gamble, because the maesters are boneheaded motherfuckers sometimes.
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>>6392698
Some of this will probably come up if we visit the Summer Islands, so if you don't already know and you have a little patience, or you want to be surprised then don't bother reading my rambling kekThe Summer Islanders when fighting wars amongst themselves use only spears and slings. If this extends only to the weapons and not armor, then armor can be whatever you would normally wear. If it does include armor in the restriction, then it's just spear and sling. So if a Westerosi knight or warrior pulled up in his mail and gambeson, or gods forbid in proper plate, he'd have pretty solid protection, bordering on obscene protection. As the Summer Islanders reportedly have little in the way of armor themselves. Their wargear is typically a spear of some description, a sling or bow, and a shield. So a Westerosi pulling up in full plate would fear very little the weapons of the Summer Islanders. The maesters also say that territory wars between their people are resolved more like tournaments, with losers who don't die being exiled, which is probably how Jalabhar Xho winds up in King's Landing.However gotta keep in mind the Islanders are known as the finest bowmen on the planet. With bows made of a local wood that makes the finest bows. So if they just want to kill you they'll probably just shoot you.
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>>6392701Actually, I'd bet that a sling has BETTER odds of harming an armored knight than a bow does. Because you have to get REALLY lucky with a bow, but a sling will just give you a concussion even through a helmet. We wouldn't have quite so easy a time as you might think, even discounting the possibility of needing to go without armor because of the heat.
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>>6392706It depends entirely on the size of the sling and the type of helmet. Medieval helmets are far and away more resilient and able to deflect projectiles than helmets that would be considered contemporary to slingers. Ancient helmets were mostly just really hard hats that you might also wear a cloth under for comfort. Medieval helmets you would see worn with full plate usually had some way to hitch onto armor or even rest on it entirely depending on the specific helmet. Combined that helmets were nearly always worn with either chain and a padded coif, or just a padded coif. The difference in the level of protection is quite high relatively to each other.
It would still ring your bell, especially if it was a larger sling, but it wouldn't be as effective as it was in the past. Especially since it would need to be a very precise dead-on hit since most medieval helmets were far more angled and curved than ancient ones that were typically entirely round. Better than a bow? Almost certainly unless their reputed prowess with a bow is enough to consistently aim for joints, but that's what shields are for.
Heat would be a far more pressing problem yeah, but if it were the tournament style dispute that wouldn't be as much of an issue, since it's basically just a "Hey show up on sunday, beat the shit out of each other at noon, we figure it out from there" kek
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Asha has full blown baby rabies already and threw out her teapot while developing hatred for the taste of moon tea. Just escaped Tywin's clutches so...yeah. Got tricked into fantasizing about their kids MID DUEL no less!
For real though her mental state is WAY worse than I thought. Not to mention far more fragile given how easily Oberyn was able to rip her apart. This is as a 12/20 Asha. She is already that much of a scary obsessed bitch. Her ambitions are greater, her protective instincts are already dialed up to a 11/10, she is more power hungry than ever, and she has raging baby rabies. Admittedly compared to canon Asha she isn't as slutty but she still chugs moon tea to cope and it's driving her insane. She got her prettyboy hubby but not yet the family she's dreaming of.
What I mean by secure for Asha as in her completes her objective in securing a mate and lover which Jason covers. Much less one that also covers the alliance building and worthy matchmaking angle. What's frustrating her is the threats to her family formation. Which combined with other problems is tearing her apart at the seams mentally. Despite how comforting and supportive Jason is...apparently this isn't enough to help her resolve this issue nor is it something she can bring up becauseI need to kill your fatherisn't a great topic, you know?
With Tyrion leaving the picture who would otherwise catch onto her plots...well some shit is definitely gonna start going down. Especially with the chat she had with Oberyn and Jason the dense but loveable idiot that he is thinking its a great idea to accept a sand viper into his retinue despite the whole knowing she's a spy, Oberyn's bastard daughter, and wants revenge on his family...like goddamn is he losing hard in the intrigue department. Doran and Varys both are gonna have a conaption from laughing so hard when they find out. I mean at least Asha has an excuse and will hopefully finally get those letters to the Iron Islands.
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>>6392701They use towerships as well to outrange and it depends on the draw strength of the bow, distance, and the toughness of the armour.
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
I expect even if uncle makes it first, he's going to be slowed once he touches down. We'll catch up.
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To be fair, Jason probably doesn't see the threat of having one of Oberyn's daughters around since he probably thinks they're square now and they don't want him dead. Which is probably true, but it is very trusting. And it's also not like Jason knows anything of value they could seek, and he knows that. The only things he knows that may be of use to them are things he also knows better than to just blab about. Like if they ask him if Casterly Rock has secret passages he's just gonna him em with the 1-555-come-on-now. Otherwise the only things they could fish from him are his interpersonal relationships. Which they have been doing and he hasn't noticed. Cause boy is gold.I do be liking their use of boats on them Isles.
Also if anyone is wondering where, -exactly- the Summer Islands are and why no one fucks with them so much it's cause they are in the ass end of nowhere and no one wants to go out there for real for real. Mostly they just have to deal with pirates and slavers.
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>>6392725
Jason is still under the very false impression that offering the Mountain's head alone will somehow be enough. He also doesn't realize his wife is on the verge of a mental breakdown. Jason is heir, he has access to a lot of info... it's just he um, really loves his blocks a lot. Plus you would have to somehow sneak past Asha or Tyrion to get the good stuff.
Jason act of diverting Oberyn onto Asha did succeed wildly...but well will most definitely have consequences. It did let us OOC see what's going on inside Asha's head(oh boy is it baaad). Yet at the same time gave away the fact that the Kraken is positioning itself to drag the lion under to drown. Except for its pet sealion that it loves 'cuddling' because apparently that's a thing. But it also tipped off the fact that uh Jason isn't the one who will be um...in charge or is in fact the dangerous one at all to watch out for. Martell's will agree to enable that to happen sooner because they also want Tywin dead.
If that happens, the female kraken with its sealion will drag down and claim two kingdoms directly before reaching out for more with its tentacles. We did successfully prevent the Martells from being hostile indirectly because directly is a no go via Jason in exchange for allowing Asha Greyjoy to ally with the Martells through Oberyn to kill Tywin her father in law.Just As Planned.Only the mental state of Asha is...very bad. She is far more dangerous, power hungry, and protective than her canon counterpart. Jason frankly cannot tell for shit. So somehow have to find an indirect means of yet again resolving the problem...probably by stuffing her full a few babies to start should calm her down temporarily.
Only writein I can think of is stopping at a freecity to give Asha Grejoy a chance to reach out to to Reavers for a call to arms but without Valyria as proof I don't expect much. But getting her a reaver fleet and babies is the only thing that is gonna calm her down.
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>>6392600
>During the discussion ,Sarella suggested a larger detour to the Summer Islands, where she could call upon some of her mother’s contacts to get some extra crew or ships, Sarella saying that the Summer Islands are full of third and fourth sons wishing to claim fame and glory. This will add at least a week between you and Volantis, and between you and your uncle.
Our Uncle's crew abandoned him and he had to resort to slaves to sail him to the smoking sea. A trustworthy crew will do wonders for improving our odds and will be a nice surprise for Unc Gerion
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...wait it just hit me. Is this buildup of Asha's emotions and mental breakdown a teaser and hint for Asha going BERSERK and becoming the first Ironborn berserker in millennia?
Cause if so well played QM.. I was gonna say that anyway about the whole moon tea chugging and lack of pregnancy with insight into Asha exceedingly...fragile mental state. Well played regardless.
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>>6392730
I think the only thing that'll calm Asha down is her father dying, her uncles dying, half the Ironborn leader stock dying, basically a lot of people dying so she can be sure to be in charge and lay down the LAW. Theon's chill though. I can't wait to meet him. Hopefully before he gets REEK'd.
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>>6392737
In the long run yeah.
I should corrected myself that in the short term Asha needs some fucking babies and a reaver fleet. Like after finishing Valyria take a break and give Asha time to let word spread among the Reavers in Essos so they can gather and rally around her forming her first reaver fleet. Which they will absolutely do given her achievements.
In the longer run true. That isn't even getting into whoever she wants to kill in the Westerlands to secure her nest...den? Whatever the fuck a kraken lair is. Not to mention that will only provide temporary relief before her ambitions rouse her again and she starts reaching for more. Right now she is just panicking over baby rabies and feeling unable to safeguard her family. So she is, for now, prioritizing the Iron Islands and Westerlands, aka kinslaying.
Honestly feels like Jason is chained up onto Asha's pirate ship as her loverboy and has no fucking idea LMAO. Right now she is desperately trying to find a temporary safe harbor while being hunted by enemies to safely give birth.
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>>6392742
>Right now she is desperately trying to find a temporary safe harbor while being hunted by enemies to safely give birth.
>the humble casterly rock
If only it weren't for Tywin she'd have the safest place she could ask for. I can almost taste the seething killing intent from here.
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>>6392754
Tywin might just kill us himself for that. Awesome. I was thinking they each get one kid with their family name, then after that all the boys are Lannisters and all the girls are Greyjoys. Age of Reaver Queens, here we come. Or we could do alternating. Or maybe she'll grow to love Jason so much she'd be fine with losing her name. We'll certainly have plenty of time to think about about it. If Jason wonders why Asha hasn't gotten pregnant and asks her about it, she comes clean and Jason is supportive of her and says it's sensible not to have kids given their current circumstances, do you think she'd cry and hit him for always being so kind? Hopefully Jason remains dense enough not to notice or care.
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>>6392725
>Jason probably doesn't see the threat of having one of Oberyn's daughters around since he probably thinks they're square now and they don't want him dead. Which is probably true, but it is very trusting.
Things like this is why I don’t think Jason will make a good Lord. He’s too trusting - he has never faced serious defeat, serious loss or serious betrayal.
He hasn’t had to steel his heart and commit ruthless deeds in order to protect his family and their power base.
Maybe Asha will force him to adopt more of that mindset…but I doubt it. It will all end in tears one day
No wonder that she doesn’t feel safe and secure
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>>6392854
I'm sure that by the end of this journeyJason will have, in his own eyes at least, had to sacrifice Gerion and many men under his command, potentially even including Humfrey or Sandor in order to survive. Which will make him much more sour and dour and recalcitrant.But I'm just smoking some weapons grade anti-hopium.
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>>6392785
We will see when we get there. If nothing else Jason and Asha kids could have some cool or weird, personal coat of arms in the future.
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I have some suspect that no matter what we do there will be dead and suffering in Valyria. Is to be expected honestly, many expeditions died on its shores, in its ruins and on the way out. And I think that will impact Jason. Maybe he will write down something like a book, has a way to cope for the pain and perhaps has a warning for future expeditions. He is more learning leaned than most, so i don't see him drinking himself to death. Then again anyone can go for the bottles with enough suffering.
Frankly, being trusting or not is not really a problem unless is for everyone (but Sarella was clearly vibing with EVERYONE in the Iron Lion, before and even a bit after the reveal of her name and lineage). What a Lord needs is having good subordinates and a proper Lady to trust and delegate, a Lord cannot be perfect so he needs to cover its own weaknesses. And we are 1/2 there with Jason. With Tywin kicked in the grave we could get back Tyrion and Tysha in the Westernlands, and that would go 2/2 (more or less, though we can use more subordinates/companions).
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The Valyria expedition is definitely going to end up hardening Jason, if only by teaching him what it feels like to have people under your command die due to your actions, especially since we're going to the Summer Islands; the deaths of any of the Summer Islanders we bring along are going to be entirely Jason's fault, and Jason's not psychopathic/retarded enough not to understand that weight when it inevitably starts weighing on him.
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>>6392867
Although I'm sure Jason will feel responsible for anyone who dies since it was his idea to follow his uncle, we are not keeping it a secret that our heading is Valyria. Anyone who will be sailing with us does so knowing the risks, so any summer islanders who die will do so doing what is important to them, seeking fame and glory in trying to achieve the impossible.
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>>6392976
Like what the other anons said, when it starts getting low
For me I like just lurking and phone posting and I have to wait a few seconds before I scroll down, or the app will stop working, but after that it's all fine + on my PC it works with no problems
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>>6392976
Tradition holds that your thread should be approaching page 10 (page 2 now, so you're good here for like another 3 months), the image limit (also good here), or be so long it becomes troublesome to load (maybe approaching that point? up to you).
Getting over 2k replies on your thread is a power move though desu
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>Anyways, back to the Tywin inner thoughts.
Seethe central
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>>6392778
A pity, I would've liked to see Lys. Why, by the way, is going through Lys slower than along the Stepstones? The map seems to place Lys more directly between the Dornish coast and Volantis. Is it the trade winds or just the time we would be spending there?
Also, looking at the map, it should be possible to stock up on enough supplies to sail north along the Valyrian coast and hopefully catch uncle Gerion as he's departing Volantis. We might lose less time this way. It would be nicer to explore Valyria with our uncle as opposed to by ourselves.
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>>6393089
>hopefully catch uncle Gerion as he's departing Volantis.
We still have to make at least a quick stop there in order to drop off Tyrion + Tysha, and can do a final quick resupply if we send a raven from the Summer Isles to the harbormaster at Volantis so everything is just waiting for us at the docks.
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>>6393089
If it were me I'd assume it has to do with not only wind but also water currents. There are probably inlet and outlet currents along the Stepstones that are not present in the more open waters around Lys. As well as being easier to navigate and keep proper course because of landmarks. Fewer minor corrections to be made when you can just look left and see the birds or an island in that direction.
As for sailing along the Valyrian coast, we do need to make sure Tyrion and Tysha and maybe Sandor are dropped in Volantis. Depending on the route Gerion takes we probably wouldn't see him. If he goes through the smoking sea we'd have to be pulling into port within the hour of him leaving to have a chance of seeing him. If he wants to swing wide and approach from the south of the island we might pass him by. Most likely we'll have to pull into Volantis and ask around for which route the Laughing Lion went and hope we get an accurate heading. We're gambling on Gerion's haste and efficiency basically.
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>>6393095
>Inb4 corrupt harbormaster hears a Lannister ship full of gold and potential hostages is headed to port and looking to top off their pantry before sailing into certain doom... And decides to save them the trouble of being killed by demons by sending pirates to intercept them out at sea.Not that I'd complain if there was a cool pirate fight with our new Summerfriends(tm). My fingers are crossed we find an exceptional archer to integrate into our entourage for the long haul, though I know a lot of the recruits we bring in will be red-shirts for the expedition.
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>>6393101
>greedy dockmaster decides to tip off pirates about incoming lannister
>mid conversation the laughing lion sails up and begins docking
>immediately thinks its sorcery that a ship kept pace with a bird and decides not to fuck with the obvious magical captain and crew
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>>6393097
>we do need to make sure Tyrion and Tysha and maybe Sandor are dropped in Volantis.
I have mixed feelings about this, because on the one hand I *REALLY* want the Hound to survive long enough for Cleganebowl, and I have been super pleased to have him brought into our crew so early. I think it does make the most sense to leave someone we KNOW is loyal to our house, who is exceptionally deadly, to protect Tyrion while he is isolated and vulnerable.
On the other hand, he could save our ass in Valyria, and is a lot less likely to die than we are if we make landfall. It's also a lot of opportunities to grow our disposition with him and forge a strong bond, though I suppose it wouldnt be the worst if he ends up building a rapport with Tyrion instead, God knows they both have a lot in common. Plus bodyguard duty in Volantis instead of being a leg-breaker for Tywin in the West will probably do a lot for his temperament and sense of loyalty anyways.
QM, do you feel set on where the Hound goes, whether with us or Volantis, or would you put it to a vote? Fwiw I think there's a perfectly strong case to be made that he automatically stays with Tyrion.
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>>6393104
Well the way I see it is, Sandor probably has his own opinion about going to the single most cursed place on the planet that kills everyone. He'll either say "Fuck it, whatever" or he'll say "Fuck you, I'll wait.". He'd come back with us most likely, assuming we survived and got back to Volantis. And it would definitely help Tyrion to get himself situated with a guy he can rely on until he can vet local strongarms and kneebreakers. So I can't ignore the possibility that Sandor will hang back. If Jason dies, he'd stay with Tyrion. If Jason survives he'd probably accompany him back. And I can't blame the guy at all.
It's just one of those things, right? Maybe Humfrey and Sarella would stay with Tyrion for a while instead. Or all three of them would stay with Tyrion and Tysha.
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>>6393106
We should certainly leave the choice up to Sandor, the guy has been forced into enough places in his life already he should at least have the choice between babysitting Tyrion and Tysha or fighting firewyrms in an active volcano. I'm fairly certain he'd choose us anyways tho, until Rheagar (that dumb fuck) knighted Gregor he still really idolised chivalric ideals. He isn't a bad person, and probably likes Jason quite a bit
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>>6393110
>He isn't a bad person,
He'd disagree with you kek but yeah. Underneath all the bitterness and hate and self-loathing he is still a decent man. It just takes a LOT to dig through all of that. Which spending enough time away from Tywin and his dirty bullshit, and away from having to listen about how his brother just ripped a man's arms off for pissing too often or whatever will definitely do wonders for. Not having to kill little boy squires and womenfolk has done wonders for his complexion. I still think he'd say no because, well, an island of fucking fire on top of it being suicidal, but I absolutely won't think less of him for it. If he does say no we should shake his hand and tell him to keep a bottle warm for our return.
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>>6393106
I feel both Humfrey and Sarella might just go with Jason. Both of them have a desire for it, and they want an accomplishment to call their own in life. It will be much the same for the 3th and 4th sons we will gather in the Summer Islands. They will have a desire to go.
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I think Sandor could go either way really. Either he goes "there better be that valyrian blade you promised me, Builder" or "I'll protect your brother and his wife while you explore that hell. Now go after your uncle, and get back alive."
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>>6393116
>island of fucking fire
Yaknow, didn't think that through enough. Now I think I would vote for Jason to TELL Sandor to stay with Tyrion. He isn't so dense that he doesn't understand Sandor's reasonable aversion to fire, and he isn't callous or entitled enough to insist he brave it anyways. I am pretty sure being told to go back into the fray while the Blackwater was *ON FIRE* was at least 50% of why he flaked on Joffrey, with another 25% being that Joffrey had already flaked on him and everyone else in that fight, and the last 25% being that Joffrey was insufferable in general.
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>>6393120
A lot of people have changes of heart when staring death in the face. It's easy to speak of bravery, much harder to embody it. I'm sure even we will have plenty of men decide they really don't want to go once they're at Volantis. We can pawn them off on Tyrion. Or just let them do their own thing. If we can't persuade them to go with us anyway. Self-interest and aversion to danger are only natural. I'm going to assume there's a chance for everyone to say they would rather not go. Naturally, I do expect Humfrey to prefer to go with us, not only cause he wants his own glory but because he's down with us. I don't really know about Sarella though. And if she and he reconnect properly on this voyage she might be able to draw him back for love.
I do wonder if Sandor would pawn off a Valyrian steel blade or take care of it if it was a gift from Jason or Tyrion. He knows regular steel can kill just as well, and he can always buy a new sword if he needs one. And he doesn't put as much stock into "storied blades and house trinkets" and shit, being as he is bitter and an extremely practical man beside. He did say he'd rather just get paid more instead. But hey. Never know.
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>"I won't ask you to follow me onto those islands."
>"You think I'm a coward, little lion?"
>"No it's just that Valyria is on a bunch of volcanoes."
>"Right have fun you golden pussy."
Granted they are as on fire as they used to be. But the constant smoke and heat, shit probably catches on fire in certain places there randomly. I think it'd be funny if we told him not to come and out of sheer spite he insisted on coming anyway.
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>>6393127
Sandor would never pawn off a Valyrian Steel blade unless he wants to immediately retire. Sure he can buy a new sword but practicality wise a sword that can cut through plate armour is not an advantage you sell away unless you want to not swing a sword ever again
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>>6393127
>regular steel can kill just as well
If it could, people wouldn't care nearly so much about the difference. I mean, I suppose in his hands there is less of a difference because of how strong and fast he is, to be fair to your point. But regular steel can't punch a hole right through a shield or breastplate, or kill wights/white walkers/etc, weighs more, needs to be oiled and sharpened and cleaned regularly, so on.
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>>6393131
Can Valyrian steel just cut through plate? Obviously with a man like Sandor, Robert or Gregor holding it it could. I know that if you clash swords like that, the common steel sword will quickly chip, falter, and shatter. But I think the durability is the biggest draw of Valyrian steel, not the sharpness. Of course, it's still sharper than any common blade. But never losing its edge is what makes it so formidable. I tried to check for instances of valyrian swords cutting through armor but I am struggling to see any instances of it breaching plate like that. Am I just looking in the wrong place or am I just blind?
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What I mean to say with that is like "9mm or .38 will both kill you dead.", it gets the job done even if something else can do it better. And most of the value of Valyrian steel swords does come from the prestige of having them, even as wallhangers. Yeah it's nice to have a good sword, but it's better to have a symbol of your power and authority. If killing power was the metric by which they were valued then catapults or wildfire would be considered greater than Valyrian swords. And to be fair, we don't know it can kill fuckass walking dead. Yet. Though maybe Jason has read about that in his studies for the higher mysteries.
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>>6393127
Valyrian steel is so prized because it actually DOES kill better than a normal sword can match. You can do shit you'd never be able to get away with using a normal sword, like cut THROUGH armor instead of having to get at a joint. Normally you'd blunt or break your sword doing that, but a Valyrian steel edge is sharp as a razor and inviolable to anything you'd find on the field of battle. That means that whatever gives, it won't be the sword, and if anyone could make the enemy's armor give before their muscles it'd be a Clegane.
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>>6393144
>if anyone could make the enemy's armor give before their muscles it'd be a Clegane.
Hodor. HODOR!
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That's just cause he wants to beat Gregor at his own game. He should just take a war maul and bash the sides of Gregor's knees in. Come on it's like he doesn't even really want to kill his big brother, ugh. kek
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>>6393094
Right, I forgot we need to drop Tyrion and Tysha off.
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Can ravens fly that far without rest? In any case, the message should mention to tell Gerion we are coming after him, as we won't be able to catch him otherwise. Perhaps he will find some solace from our plentiful reinforcements after his crew deserts him, enough to override his anger at us.
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>>6393157
>Can ravens fly that far without rest?
Raven communication is complex enough to have its own school at the citadel, and I think it is because of the complications of relaying messages that far. I believe you can either use alchemy/potions/whatever to get a raven to fly that far, or alternatively send the raven to stop on a ship that then relays the message along to another ship farther along with another raven, which then relays it to Volantis with another raven - over land it'd just be a system of outposts or lesser castles or what have you.
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Casting a shadow over the Sunset Sea, the gilded solar of one of the most powerful men in the western world, Tywin Lannister let his quill dance across the missives that held his word or the word of his direct bannermen. Updates on their harvests, information about their politics, receipts detailing their deepening or lightening debts. It was a web he had spent his entire adult life cultivating, since the day he raised his sword against the cursed Tarbeks and Reynes. The gold of Casterly Rock was vast, and new veins were always being discovered, but Tywin knew that it was finite. The fact that his family could spend it so easily since the age of heroes made him thankful to fate, or the gods, or whatever process had molded the gold into the rock. It had withstood generations of both plenty and misrule, but Tywin had made it his mission to tap as little of that gold as possible. The Lannister’s would never be weakened by the greed of a lesser house again, so his loans and the debts accrued under him only served to empower his family.
Families would borrow money, which Tywin gave by spreading his personal treasury and the gold paid to him via debts and contracts. In addition, he would grant them edicts and writs that allowed them to purchase more than they had the gold to pay, their debt growing as they foolishly spent nonexistent money. This way, while the debts owed to house Lannister were deep, House Lannister did not struggle. Tywin felt the neat and orderly foundation he had constructed, each stone carefully placed and mortared by either him, Kevin his brother, or by the men he directly ordered. There was blood mixed in, more than he liked in some cases, but there had been purpose to it. He looked up, carefully going over the model of Casterly Rock Jason had made for him, and used his quill to adjust a small chair that had moved from its place from a tremor.
The ancestral Hall of his House breathed with new life, ancient halls shined, defenses lost to time restored, and new construction added. It was a golden age for the Lannisters, marred by the failings of his children. Jaime was in the Kingsguard, a dead end for what should have been his shining Heir. Cersei was a spiteful idiot, who blessedly managed to birth three children for the throne with that beast Robert. Tyrion had shaped up, though his continued bedding of that servant girl Asha had taken in irked him, it was at least done behind closed doors.
Tywin looked back up to the model, the memory of his son Jason unveiling it to him like a treasure, Maester Creylen behind the boy with a proud smile. Tywin looked at each and every room, every hall, every speck of furniture, and felt the dedication and focus that had been poured into it. It was the centerpiece of his office, for both practical reasons and because it was the first inkling that Jason might have something of worth in him.
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Tywin frowned, his frustration with Jason resurfacing. He could not take that boy's haphazard focus and whimsical musings, no matter how hard he tried. He could not instill in Jason that crucial piece of wisdom any Lord Paramount should understand, that problems are not meant to be solved, but used and profited from. Jason saw the ironborn raids and, in a single night, created a system that would drastically reduce the Ironborn attacks across the board. A moment that had made Tywin more annoyed than ever, as it missed fundamental truths of power and why it lied in the hands of lords and the great houses.
Hedge knights and peasants given the keys to rely upon themselves, undermining the trust and necessity of the petty lords in the area, flooding lands traditionally held by old minor families with landed Knights with no mind for the consequences. After it had been established, Tywin had received no end of complaints from the minor houses over land disputes, conflicts with the landed knights, or displeasure at having to be neighbors to such men. Reducing the funding to a stipend, and defaulting the debts of the most troublesome of the knights was the only way Tywin could solve the issue without appearing as if he bowed to the whims of the lesser houses.
And instead of helping his father with the mess he created, he and the savage wife of his wandered off to Oldtown to waste two years studying masonry and hedge magic. Tywin had nearly thrown the model out his window when he heard, but as always managed to control himself.
“You know it is rare to see you so expressive brother, it’s rather nice.~” said Genna, her sewing needles gliding silently as she sat in the corner.
Tywin ignored her, his mood souring as he wrote more heavily.
“Yes yes, I’ll be quiet Lord Tywin. Mustn’t interrupt you brooding.” Genna said teasingly, used to Tywin’s silent treatment. Genna was sure she said something terrible or mildly true to deserve this, but she knew it would not last.
Genna spared a glance at her eldest brother, the wrinkles in around his eyes, his greying gold hair, his balding head. Underneath it all she saw her stern older brother, brimming with rage at her father. A young man without power wanting to do so much good for the family, and unable to do it because of his father. “Ah,” Genna said to herself, remembering how she had earned this latest punishment. It wasn’t her fault Jason was so like his father, those boys always seemed cut from the same cloth.
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>>6393176
As Genna returned to her needle work, Tywin stewed in his own silence, replaying Genna’s betrothal in his mind. Whenever he was angry at her, his mind always managed to dig that day up by association. His father, the Laughing Lion, selling away his only daughter to Walder Frey. Genna was the daughter of House Lannister, a treasure that should have found its way to one of the other great houses. Tywin imagined the twins, that weary moldering fort clutching to the mud between two rivers, and his sister sitting as a drop of gold in those halls. She should have been wed to House Tyrell, securing the Reach’s alliance and their food shipments and letting Genna live surrounded by flowers and protected by that old witch Olenna.
She should have found a home in storms end, locking Stannis and the stormland’s armies to the Westerlands to surround the riverlands, and place Genna behind a castle that rivaled the Rock in terms of strength with a dutiful and respectable husband in Stannis.
She should have found her way to Riverrun and married the heir to it, securing the lode stone of the seven kingdoms as an ally with all its vast fields and space, where she could enjoy the peaceful sounds and watch the river boats fly down the way.
Tywin ground his teeth, admitting that even marrying a Stark would have been preferable. Access to the vast territory of the north and their powerful warriors, where Genna would be treated with honor and kindness even if the wealth paled compared to the Rock.
Tywin looked at Genna, and stopped grinding his teeth as he looked back to his work, happy that Genna had escaped her worthless husband and his weasel family and was at the Rock, the thought of her going back frustrating him.
As Tywin once more pondered how he could annul that marriage and marry Genna off properly, Maester Creylen stepped into Tywin’s Solar. Raising his brow, Tywin set his quill aside “Maester Creylen, What is it?”
Maester Creylen had the look of a man who wished to hesitate or be anywhere else, but instead he stepped forward and placed a letter at Tywin’s desk “It is a letter from the Hightowers My Lord…”
“You seem to already know its contents without opening it. Did their Maester send his own message?” Tywin said, opening the letter and beginning to idly read it. He didn’t notice Creylen meekly nod, or Genna looking at him with worry, and certainly not that sound of his own teeth grinding as he read the message.
“Get out, both of you.” Tywin said far too calmly, rage threatening to crash through his self control. Genna did not quip, or tease her brother, instead she gathered her things and quietly left with the Maester, worry in her features.
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>>6393177
Tywin placed the letter down, the details of his Heir and their dwarf twin sailing off after Gerion, on a fool's quest to Old Valyria. The muscles in his face tenses, his ears began to ring from the pressure, and his knuckles began to crack as his fists clenched. His gaze shot to the model of Castery Rock, and the impulse to throw it at a wall or out the window came rushing to his mind. He set it aside. The impulse to shout and rage clawed at his throat. He set it aside. The impulse to think about his wife, and the children who took her wasting their own lives battered at his eyes. He…set it aside.
Tywin closed his eyes, shaking with rage and emotion. He sat down, grasping the quill and snapping it in two, but continuing to write with it. He had damage control to do, and a narrative to take control of, and prepare for replacing Jason either by mentoring one of Kevin’s sons or finally getting Jaime off the kingsguard.
Tywin worked silently, body shaking with rage, and working to carry the weight his worthless children left him to bare.
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A few days after Tywin discovered what Jason had done, word eventually made it to the king, though whether it was through the spider or rumor was left unclear, as the source of the information was quickly forgotten in favor of trying to stop the King from following after Jason, the smell of adventure fueling Robert’s spirit that was already being buried beneath fat, drink, and despair.
Jon Arynn shouted and argued with the King, his Small council told him how foolish the idea was, he ignored his wife. It took a letter from Ned Stark, urged by Jon to write to the king, admonishing and shaming Robert for attempting to abandon his son and kingdom to settle the king back down.
As the king fell back onto drink and whoring to fill his soul, the spider turned his eyes to Essos, the prospect of a Claimant of the Rock tackling the doom an entertaining little distraction. He made sure to have his little birds keep an eye on the expedition, and perhaps he might find something of value should they survive,
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The Summer Isles were more beautiful than you had expected them to be, the sight of massive towers and foreign temples, flowers in colors of more variety and saturation than anything in the reach, and a culture that thrived on peace. Men and women with skin from teak to polished jet milled through the docks and the city streets, the smell of spices and incense in the air as you dropped anchor in Lotus Port. You saw the unique construction of the buildings, layers of platforms with our croppings rising higher and higher made of stone and wood in colors you’ve never seen, the most venerable buildings having stones that shifted color across the entire spectrum as you moved making up portions of their construction.
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>>6393178
Chimes and gentle whistling reeds filled the city with music that flowed beneath the clamor of a busy port, where ships from all over could be seen. Swan Ships, their graceful necks and sails, dominated the port while Westerosi ships lounged in the hand carved stone ports. Sails from the free cities, their crew sporting their dyed hairs and extravagant styles, unloaded luxuries and goods and loaded the treasures that they could find within the Summer Isles.
As you stepped off, lost in the utter novelty of a world you never knew existed, the Dockmaster appeared and caught you off guard. She was a tall woman, sporting a strong chin and while she was not traditionally beautiful as you would describe, her eyes and the way her face was contoured made you pause out of aesthetic appreciation. Her smile was knowing, as she tilted her head and spoke, her voice deep in a way that might have been mannish in the Seven kingdoms but here seemed a graceful thing with her accented Common “Welcome to Lotus Port and the Summer Isles my Lord,” she said, offering a perfect bow for a man of your station, though her being taller than you made it so she could never get as low as the small folk back home.
Shaking your shock, you bowed politely in return, putting on a smile “Thank you for taking us, I have no doubts you hear this often, but your lands are beautiful, and I find myself being dazed by the experience.” You said, seeing an expectation subverted and then warmth in the Dockmistress’ eyes.
“Thank you all the same, hearing the love of my home spoken from a stranger is always a treasure. However, business must be done, as I have other ships unfortunately. May I ask why yo-OH, Sarella!” The Dock Mistress’ face brightened at the sight of Sarella, who came down and hugged the Dock Mistress. In a flurry of Summer tongue words, which sounded almost bazaar but fascinating to you, the two began to converse.
You felt a jab in your side, looking to Asha alarmed. She looked at you with a leveled gaze, glanced at the Dock Mistress, then to you. You stared at her blankly for a time, not really understanding her implication. She rolled her eyes, looked the Dock Mistress up and down, then looked at you blankly.
After a moment's silence, you leaned over and whispered with a blush on your cheeks “I don’t think I’m quite so adventurous Love, you are more than I can handle as it is.” You said, thinking she wanted to expand your bedroom activities. She punched you in the side, this resetting your brain and making you rearrange your thoughts. “Oh, oh okay. Sorry for staring Love, she was just striking.”
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>>6393180
Asha puffed out her cheeks and let out a breath, you smiling as you hooked your arm in hers. The Dockmistress placed a platonic kiss on Sarella’s forehead and walked off, waving good by to you and your crew, the Dock Mistress sending a wink at Asha and making the Iron Islander blush. Sarella turned to you all with a proud smile “Alright, we have a few days of free port access, courtesy of my auntie Rontalho Za. That should give us time to restock and hopefully find some volunteers, though if it takes longer we’ll have to start paying.”
Humfrey smiled “I didn’t expect to meet your family out here,” he said, Sarella blushing a bit as she avoided his expectant gaze.
“O-oh well, I don’t get the chance to come out this way often. My Mother has sisters and brothers all over the Isles, s-o It’ll be easy to call in some favors.” She said, seeming unprepared to have Humfrey so interested in her family.
The Hightower boy smiled “Well then, I hope to meet some of them. Allow me to accompany you as we secure some contacts.” He said, offering his arm to Sarella, who took it with blush on her cheeks and a smile.
When they left, Asha looked at you “I thought you said Humfrey was broken up about Sarella.”
“What? Oh yea he is, but he’s driven to try and make it work. I think he’s playing it a little strong right now, but I hope it works.” You said, watching Tyrion and Tysha walk by “Heading off brother, Good sister?” you said, smiling towards Tysha as she brightened up as you called her Good Sister, happy you include her as family.
“Yes. While the old me might have found other things to enjoy here, today I wish to enjoy the sights with Tysha and try the food here.” he said, taking Tysha’s hand and walking off.
“Come on, we should see if we can find a ship heading to Volantis ahead of us, I want to send a letter ahead to hopefully catch my Uncle so he does not proceed to the doom without us.” You said, leading Asha down the way, Asha staying close to you as she warily watched the foreign city around her.
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>>6393181
Later that night, when you all gathered together at a lovely Inn smelling of wine and flowers, Sarella went over your options and what she learned.
>There was going to be a summer islander “war” soon, after which there would be a number of exiles that would need to seek a new home or a way to gather a fortune to return much like Jalabhar Xho, the beggar prince within Robert’s court. This would net you plenty of desperate men, but whether they would be worth it is another matter. You would have to wait a couple days, but a sizable crew can make a difference in the hostile waters.
>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
>There was a minor prince interested in gaining power, commonly called an ambitious fool who desired to unify the Isles under his rule. He has gold and sell swords, and may be open to sponsoring your journey. However, he would expect a decent portion of the spoils to fund his plans, and it would mean men loyal to someone else would be aboard your ship and joining you in the Doom.
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>>6393180
>She was a tall woman, sporting a strong chin and while she was not traditionally beautiful as you would describe, her eyes and the way her face was contoured made you pause out of aesthetic appreciation. Her smile was knowing, as she tilted her head and spoke, her voice deep in a way that might have been mannish in the Seven kingdoms but here seemed a graceful thing with her accented Common
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>>6393183
>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
Archer bro for sure. No offense to the war fighters, but I think taking on guys that lose and may be wounded isn't much of an edge. Archery is overlooked in Westeros, this guy could be a neat secret weapon for us.
Maybe his legendary status will attract a few hangers-on?
If it's possible to write-in any kind of addendum here, I would simply say we should use whatever money we budgeted for port time here to hire on a second vessel and crew - as another anon said, a spare ship in case we take damage in a place without shipwrights or even trees could be crucial. Having some extra bodies between us and whatever dangers we findredshirtswill be good practically speaking but also narratively.
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>>6393199
Fuck that, I wonder how he'll react when we pop up with a literal spear-chucking black man with us and we are lifelong bros because of our Vietnam-tier battle-bond and insist he CANNOT be dismissed.And when we marry one of our children to one of us, we can power the entire Westerlands by hooking a turbine up to his corpse while he spins in his grave at mach 4
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A heroic warrior or a host of men. This is quite a choice. Then the fool besides, a wildcard.
The men are a solid choice, we know exactly what we are getting. More bodies and with exotic skills. Surely most of them ignorant of the true danger of Valyria and probably more willing to venture there.
Sorralol Dara might come with a small retinue, or have a handful of men hear of his departing and attempt to join us as well. But either way the deal is a man who has a great talent we currently do not have in our group. Along with an exotic weapon. In terms of crewing vessels he is less useful than a swathe of men though I am sure he matches their expertise in sailing and boating as well.
The minor price will guarantee a great deal of men, as well as surely some notable warriors besides. And while the wealth is of little consequence if he demands it, any lore, secrets, mysteries or wonders we find he would likely also demand in part or whole. Which might not be acceptable. To say nothing of potential betrayals.
Perhaps we should think of things in a framework of problems and solutions. What problems are we most likely to face, and how each of these options can solve said problems.
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>>6393183
>There was going to be a summer islander “war” soon, after which there would be a number of exiles that would need to seek a new home or a way to gather a fortune to return much like Jalabhar Xho, the beggar prince within Robert’s court. This would net you plenty of desperate men, but whether they would be worth it is another matter. You would have to wait a couple days, but a sizable crew can make a difference in the hostile waters.
Not everyone will survive this journey and we will need to make hard choices.
Men with nothing to lose and everything to regain fight the hardest in the face of adversity.
Beside the time we spend in the Summer Isles being a couple of day won't add much to the week we spent on the detour.
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>>6393183
>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
Honestly weren't there supposed to be a bunch of desperate and adventurous thirdborn+ sons and daughters available?
Jason would agree with Tywin about Genna not a shocker. Although I would think Genna would compare Jason more with the their father than again that is probably more a bannermen and older nobles thing. As Jason really doesn't resemble anyone else, that would piss off Tywin so much. Lol at Jason fearing that Asha wants to expand their bedroom activities and Asha actually considering the offer... then again she is probably concerned about what she should do during longer journeys without a golden cock to enjoy herself given her libido.
>>6393197
Agreed. Honestly kinda confused about the lack of desperate and adventurous thirdborn+ nobles which is why we even bothered. As its not like anyone else is gonna be up for an obvious suicide adventure. Also a Towership would be REALLY helpful.
>>6393199
I would rather flex in King's Landing for a Grand Feast and party that Robert will throw to force Tywin to show up on OUR terms to pick up Brightroar...that he would immediately give to Jaime.
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>>6393213
Ah right yeah this is my fault for forgetting/getting into the zone/ trying to push the update out before i tried to grab a nap.
I'll say that every option gives you at least a handfull of dudes in addition to the option. Sorralol Dara will show up with various hanger's on obsessed with emulating him, the war exiles will show up with the prince and his officers in addition to their soldiers. and of course the Minor prince will be sending dudes of note.
Sorry again, hope this helps
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>>6393207
Well, bear in mind a couple of us have now asked to grab Dara AND a small ship/crew that we pay for outright, rather than bring in for free or in return for a debt to be paid upon return. With that said:
>Problems and solutions
1) The Losers
>Pros:
Most amount of bodies, they do have combat skills, some of them may be better warriors than the winners even, just on the losing side. They are cheap, they will be eager to adventure and fight, they may bring us multiple additional ships but at least one or two. Their emphasis on ranged combat and evasive fighting rather than heavy armor actually makes them ideal for this expedition - easier hiking, easier to carry things we find, easier to keep distance between us and stuff like Stone Men or Firewyrms which we do NOT want to touch. Most of all it's just quantity, force multiplication.
>Cons:
These guys are with us because they lost a war. And not a real war, either, but like flag football war. Some may be wounded, most are perhaps unprepared for real pitch combat with monsters, they may lose their courage or even panic in Valyria. They have grown up in a soft place. An ideal, in many ways SUPERIOR one to where we are from, but a soft one. They would be somewhat loyal but maybe not entirely, and could end up taking all the ships, even ours, if they get scared enough (though for meta reasons that's less likely, Jason or Asha might consider that heavily).
Basically most of the benefits are duplicated by hiring on a small crew (of winners, ideally), and paying for them means we lose some of the cons and almost definitely avoid them all.
2) The Archer
>Pros:
If he is the best archer here, he is probably one of the best in the entire world, with perhaps only a handful of equals in all of Westeros. His skills are exotic and exceptional, we likely won't find someone else quite like him, and that also means our enemies may struggle to counter him. Being a single man, his loyalty will be easier to develop, and harder to lose. If it is lost, he is nowhere near as threatening as a large group of people, even if they're far inferior to him or even us. His ability to launch yard-long arrows will keep distance between us and deadly things we don't want to touch. Outside of this singular adventure, he is the exact kind of fantastic, undiscovered individual of skill that we should add to our retinue, and since we are missing the chance to focus on that part of adult Lordly life right now, let's pick him up and get ahead of the game.
>Cons:
Just one man, so he can carry less and can't sail a whole ship. If he kicks the bucket we'll be as well off as we were without having taken this detour (excluding the write-in to hire a second ship).
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>>6393213
>that he would immediately give to Jaime.
Nah. Tywin is, if anything, a pragmatist. Jason owning Brightroar would be far more useful for him than Jaime having it, because it would mean a lot of prestige and respect that Jason would sorely need. Unless he can get Jaime out of the Kingsguard (will never happen because Cersei has him around her finger) Jason is the only one who can really wield Brightroar to some benefit
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>>6393183
The spider wants to look at what we do uh ? Well not much we can do for counter it yet. His spies will have to wait at least.
>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
Yeah sure.
A champion can be of use. Not an ordinary man so he will pull out his weight, the guy might want to have combat though, and glory. If he is highly skilled and bored, Valyria is quite literally an "ultimate challenge" kind of place so we can easily sell it to him. But he will want challenges i feel. Unfortunately there is no "catalogue of monster&demons of Valyria" so hope to convince the guy to not fight certain large things we will see on the moment.
Remember, we still have to make a quick stop to Volantis. So we can grab other people there too if we feel like it.
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>>6393216
3) The Prince
>Pros:
Probably close to as many guys as the Losers and they are probably better fighters, not wounded, with some talents.
>Cons:
Too many. The debt sucks and could be bad. He would outnumber us and if he is narcissistic enough to want to take over all the islands (and fuck up the perfectly good thing they have going for them), I wouldn't trust him to not backstab us. He would not feel quite as eager as the Losers or Dara to proceed once there was danger, because he has more to lose. Once the trip is over, even if he doesn't double cross us, it's really unlikely he would stick with us long term. He wouldn't make a useful ally in the future anyways if he stays on the Isles, as they're so far, and his covetous nature makes him seem to me an unreliable bannerman.
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>>6393183
>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
Monster Slayer = Found
The regular help and soldiers from Gerions expedition can handle the "lesser" shit we encounter in Valaryia. It's the big nasties that we'll struggle with. That's where Dara comes in.
Imagine giving the dude arrows tipped with Dragonglass.
Furthermore, as a single individual, he'll be easier to befriend. His motivation will also be for the adventure and glory itself, and thus less likely to go turncoat.
Lastly, he'd be a cool member for Jason's long term posse/retinue, if he is willing to stick with us.
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>quickly forgotten in favor of trying to stop the King from following after Jason, the smell of adventure fueling Robert’s spirit
BASED BOBBY B
Holy shit, imagine the stories and booze we'll get to share with him
That alone makes all this worth it
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I do agree with almost all of these points. The biggest letdown of the Fool Prince's gambit being that even if everything goes swimmingly, we won't keep the men. With the host of exiles they'll probably stick with us in part, which gives us a retinue of wonderful archers. With Dara he'll probably stick around since we'll be returning to a realm where people fight all the time over nothing so that'd be fun for him to do for a while. Or at least see new sights and hunt new beasts for a time before deciding if he wants to go to Essos. But the Prince we'd have to come back here, then argue about loot, which he'd have the upper hand at because we'd be in his lands, in his court, surrounded by his men and the laws of these people. And even if they all died giving Jason the opportunity to gallivant off without divvying up the loot, Jason is big on debts, so he'd probably insist on going back. And Asha would throttle him for it.
Also, it might be worth to actually get anyone who comes with us some better armor. The royalty and Dara will have some form of okayish protection owing to their wealth, But we could always get them something better in Essos or Westeros. Obviously nothing as heavy as bannermen or sellswords typically wear, but a step up from copper scales/ringmail, or the wooden or cloth armors the typical warriors might wear.
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>>6393183
Man, you almost made me feel bad for Tywin, there. Before I remembered he lives in a hell of his own making. All he needs to do is have a little heart. Just a goddamn smidge of it, and he'd be primo. But he just can't do it.
Also Robert being a fucking unit as normal. The funniest fucking butterfly effect this trip could possibly have is him hearing that Jason went to the Summer Isles and deciding to finally take Jalabhar Xho up on his offer. Thus averting his death at the BOAAAAAARRRRRR and fucking everything up forever story wise.
Poor Jason doesn't have time to sample all the delights and ask about all the construction. And poor Asha having a husband who seems to be able to effortlessly flirt entirely by accident. Oh man, even his words are golden, yet sweet as honey. This stupid, stupid man! kek
>>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
With knowledge that anon's
>>6393197
write-in is viable, this seems like the most solid choice. If we couldn't just find another ship or crew I'd wager the exiled warriors would be a better choice.
>>6393191
>I'm Rontalho Za, YO.
>I'm Sarella's Auntie, YO.
>Uh Huh.
>>6393217
>"Cool sword, dad. Thanks. Hey Sandor, here you go."
>tywin spontaneously combusts
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>>6393236
I wouldn't be surprised if the minor Prince hung back a bit and when we headed for the ships to leave with our loot, he had all of his soldiers aim their bows at us and pull an Indiana Jones, "There is nothing you can possess, that I cannot take from you!"
Then leave us on the shore with nothing and plan to tell everyone we just didn't survive the voyage.
We may be able to stop him... But at a cost.
Even if things go better and he only takes half of the swag, it just feels like the overall long term gain is so minimal.
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>>6393242
>what happens to the fool prince when jason, asha, sandor and humfrey pull up on him after his men betray them all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU63eUQUKSo
Really I just know Asha would smack Jason over the head for letting a bunch of weirdos out of their control onto and around their ship.
>>6393243
I think in Volantis the best we could do is slaves or madmen. A rational sellsword or merceny in Essos would tell anyone who said they were going to Valyria they are a fool. Which don't get me wrong, is still an option and a pretty decent one if all you need is bodies, which you often do. And I wouldn't mind hiring some, since everyone else would probably see it as the slaves getting the short end of any stick and feel just a tiny bit better knowing they won't be told to jump over the lava vent to throw a random goblet back over it to the rest of the group. But slaves would probably desert, too. Always a catch eh?
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>>6393216
You understated an advantage the exiles give us.
They give us a reason to go back to the Summer isles later.
Bringing Jalabhar Xho more exiles basically means we have a chance to actually convince Robert later to actually fund an expedition partly to spite Tywin and in part because he's really bored.
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>>6393247
What? Scared of spilling a little BLOOD is ya?
Joke aside, it is what it is. Not much else you can convince to go to Valyria. Especially not in Volantis. They see people go off to Valyria plenty. Never see them come back though. They know better than anyone you'd need to be insane or suicidal to willingly sail the smoking sea.Maybe if Gerion's men haven't abandoned him all the Star Power! in the area from our heroic group plus Gerion himself can inspiring speech the men enough to not all ditch us.
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>>6393191
Jason definitely has some...interesting tastes for sure. To be fair though Asha isn't exactly considered a classical Westerosi great beauty either given her sinister smile, sharp features, and fitness.
>>6393239
I'm looking forward to how much both of them get blatantly hit on given how the Summer Isles believe in sacred free love. We missed out on the show in Dorne with Asha and Jason. I can only imagine the fun Tyrion is get up to with Tysha. Greatest trial of his relationship right there. Oh I wanna see that too...hell even Sandor could loosen up here.
To be fair to poor Asha the man is dense as gold and just as attractive. There is a reason why she fell for him and instead of realizing it instantly fears/assumes it's Asha who wants to add to the bedroom fun lol.
>>6393247
More like draw a shit ton of curses and potentially the blood magick curse itself considering where they tested and used all that blood magick on.
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>>6393246
>I think in Volantis the best we could do is slaves or madmen
I think it could be cool to buy like five slaves or gladiators and free them immediately, then say 'look, if you come with us to Valyria, we'll pay you and bring you on our victory tour where you will get swag and honors just for being alive. All we need is for you to guard the ship sometimes and help carry shit other times. But if you don't wanna risk it, good luck!'
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>>6393181
Also, QM, I already voted and am not intending to blow any smoke here, but these last couple of updates have been some of the better ones I have read on the board in some time - you really are hitting a stride here, and I really like the way you characterize everyone. I hope all of the yapping and speculating feels more like a propellant than overwhelming, because this quest kicks ass.
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>>6393178
I pity Big Bobby B. Bro just wants to FIGHT and FUCK and DRINK not deal with all this gay king bullshit.
>>6393183
>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
A Warlock, a Barbarian, two Fighters, a Rogue, and now a Ranger. Quite the party we're building.
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>>6393253
It's also said in canon that half of Asha's crew see her like their child, the other half want to fuck her. So she's doing something right in the looks department.
The idea that Sandor might get laid without having to pay someone is somehow very sad but very hype. His features are exotic enough that the burns might not completely overwhelm the locals. He won't get laid, obviously, but he will get piss drunk. Hell yeah.
>>6393254
Ideally we'd have more than a handful, but that is a plan. Though this also hinges on Jason being cognizant and aware of Valyria's use of slaves in their blood magic, and the idea that Valyria itself is cursed over it and not something else. Which he might not since it seems most of the lore surrounding it that the Maesters would have suggest it was just a natural fucky wucky, or that some dipshit fucked up a binding spell or something. But not much that centers on the slaves themselves. But it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think the spells to control the volcanoes failing was related to slaves because why would they use their own people for blood magic instead of slaves? It's logical at least.
>>6393261
Forreal dude had me pitying Tywin of all people and starting to sympathize with him. Hit me like a truck when I realized.
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Wait a fucking minute...
Imagine if Asha realizes the truth about Jamie and Cersei before Jason does
>>6393191
>tall
>strong chin
>her eyes and the way her face was contoured made you pause out of aesthetic appreciation
Oh no... he likes her looks because she reminds him of a blocky building
At this rate, Jason the Mason is going to start drooling over floor tiles
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>>6393268
I mean I think the only way Jason will realize that about his siblings is if he literally walks in on them mid-fuck.
>"Jason you know we have servants to clean the floors right?"
>"Ohhhh welll I'm already down here."
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>>6393268
>Imagine if Asha realizes the truth about Jamie and Cersei before Jason does
Impossible we figure it out first, unless Tyrion explains it to us or we stumble directly into it while autistically mapping out the crawlspaces. I expect it couldn't take Asha more than two months in King's Landing, probably less if it wasn't so nauseating to be in a room with either of them.
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>>6393253
>given her sinister smile
You made me think of that meme, so I had to make an edit
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>>6393197
+1 for the new Ranger + the write in
I also wanna add a write in on my own, I hope either other anons support it, or the QM to at least consider it
>If we get to meet Sarella's aunt, ask nicely if there's any mason or Maester who knows about our own profession, and ask them either personally or with a letter to please write them a book or guide that explains what rocks and material they use for their buildings, their most common methods and possibly how they have that shiny quality to the buildings, we will either get it once we return on our trip, or if we take long, they could sent it to Tyrion while we're still out.
A little something for when he comes back. I've been thinking that maybe in his victory tour back home he just visit talk to the leaders in each domain to give them a blueprint for anything they want/need. A new monastery or church? A damn? A new castle? Maybe a big building at the Heart of the summer isles for all the lords to meet? From something useful to plain vanity, Jason would leave his mark on the land, and with surely an invitation to come back later once it's finished, so he can properly have more discussion to either business or maybe loyalty, who knows?
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>>6393304
Hey you know, I just had a thought cause of this. Jason could make models of all the places he sees or has been to. Or at least all the ones that strike his fancy. So asking for treatises, blueprints, or artworks of local places wherever he goes is probably a great way to facilitate making replicas of these places. Which may also let him understand and incorporate design elements elsewhere. Elevated playing with blocks.
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>>6393306
>How did lord Jason break the siege at the Eryie. He must be of the level of a Grandmaster of warcraft!
>Jason: according to my model of the Eryie that I built while my wife was giving birth to our third son...
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>>6393183
>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
I also support hiring another ship. Honestly a legendary warrior and a few trying to emulate him would be a thousand times better than the other options that might get cold feet when we arrive at the smoking sea
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>>6393320
If Jason gets into miniature samurai models will that make him hyper fixated in armor and combat, and in turn, make us even more deadly that Jamie?
Does the real power of Jason lay in the joy of playing with toys and absorbing the knowledge of them?
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>>6393183
>There was going to be a summer islander “war” soon, after which there would be a number of exiles that would need to seek a new home or a way to gather a fortune to return much like Jalabhar Xho, the beggar prince within Robert’s court. This would net you plenty of desperate men, but whether they would be worth it is another matter. You would have to wait a couple days, but a sizable crew can make a difference in the hostile waters.
We have hero units, we need numbers.
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>>6393197
It really is strange archery is so overlooked in westeros. Bloodraven's archers did exceptionally well, and I would've assumed their effectiveness would see them spread accross the seven kingdoms. Probably because a bow is "dishonourable" or something like that
Speaking of, once we get to ruling lannisport we should train as much crossbowmen as we are able. Medieval war crossbows can punch through armour (some European powers even tried to ban them outright for that reason) and are much easier to train compared to traditional archers. We should make the Westerlands the Vlandians of the seven kingdoms
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>>6393329
I think the real reason they tried banning them isn't because they were effective, which they were, but because they were on the receiving end of them. Much like the Germans and shotguns back in the day. Lots of modern testing has disputed the effectiveness of crossbows against armor, though. But that raises the question of whether modern processes and materials aren't to blame for the discrepancy. It's pretty interesting.
Crossbows are ideal for defensive sieges, though. When you can take your time with them.
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>>6393336
Even in open field battles, if you have alternating lines of crossbowmen you can have a constant barrage of bolts screaming towards the enemy. Most troops in westeros arent too well armoured, and the ones that are ride horses which are also hard countered by arrows and bolts.
The only problem I see is producing that many crossbows is expensive as hell, but we are Lannisters so oh well.
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>>6393267
One thing I’ve always found fascinating about Tywin is that, there are clear signs of his humanity, buried beneath his issues. He grew up and had to rebuild the the respect of his house by hand, and had to do it ruthlessly. He had his father, who was not only an embarrassment, but had to gall to replace Tywin’s mother with a wet nurse and not long after Tywin’s mother’s death.
His little sister was sold off to Walder fret on a whim, not only the daughter of the Lord Paramount but his little sister.
His own father was destroying his family, so he had to destroy his father, legacy and all.
Then he married a woman who was able to make him feel like he could be vulnerable, that he could be human. Johanna was famous the realm wide for being the one to give Tywin a heart.
Then his best friend the king went mad and betrayed him, insulted him, humiliated him.
Then his wife died, replaced by two children who now occupied her space.
He did not do what his father did, he did not find a new wife despite that being the pragmatic move. He could never replace Johanna, and he only tolerated her killers because they were his children and perhaps it would be what she wanted.
I imagine he never grieved properly for Johanna, instead doubling down on his hard demeanor.
Then Tygett died, now Gerion is going off to die. His life devoted to this singular idea of overcorrecting from his father, and it frays and tangles while his children just do not listen or fail to do the right thing due to their own flaws or whims.
Deep down there is still that young man, hating his father for the damage and pain he was causing the family, that young man still fighting his ghost.
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>>6393338
To be fair you could do the same tactic with archers and have an even faster and more consistent barrage. And yeah, most wear a combination of mail and gambeson if they're well off, just a gambeson if they are on the poorer side. Everyone should have a helmet unless they're from a dirt poor place. The wealthier you get the more armor will be found on limbs and the higher quality on the torso. The Lannisters are wealthy enough they could probably outfit their bannermen all with cuirasses. Breastplates at least. Maybe even some faulds. If that's what they're called. The hip and thigh armor. I might be getting them mixed up with another kind of armor there.
The real question with bows and crossbows is which do you have more of, time, or money? Usually the answer is money, which means crossbows are better. I'm interested to see how Jason's experience with the Summer Islanders might paint his opinion of ranged warfare.
>>6393339
It's a vicious cycle for sure. Tywin was a product of his father's shortcomings. Tywin's children are a product of his failings. Johanna really did absolutely wreck the man that's for sure. I wonder if Jason ever grew enough as a man to stand up to Tywin if he could force him to confront his inner turmoil. "Do you hate me because I have not done enough, or do you hate me because you have done too much?". He's compelling when you know his history, when you don't he seems singularly ruthless and cold. It's neat.
Naahhhh no one is breaking through Tywin's shell. He's more walled up than Casterly Rock.
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>>6393348
In the case of a direct comparison, a bowman nearly always wins in a fight against a crossbowman. Once someone is trained in it, a longbow becomes a deadly instrument bar no other. English longbowmen were famed and feared for that very reason, and a medieval crossbow can never match the rate of fire of a regular bow.
However, it takes an incredible amount of effort to train a proper war bowmen, decades of training is required to even develop the musculature necessary to handle the draw weight of some long bows. Hell, we can find out if someone was a longbowman from their bones because even their skeletal structure changes.
That is why crossbows took off, basically anyone can train to be a crossbowman in a very short time. You simply need to aim and fire at what you see, and when it comes to drawing back the string you have tools to help you or you can simply place the crossbow down on the ground anr use both your arms.
And the penetration of later crossbows were capable of inflicting was a lot more than even the long bows, so in certain places it was the great equaliser between the common people and nobility before guns became a thing.
>>6393339
The cycle of abuse is oft borne from real heartbreak. Tywin is human, and he is also a monster in his actions, and those things are not mutually exclusive. It makes him, his actions and his legacy that much more compelling
I honestly love GRR Martin for that very reason, I don't think there's a single major character you cannot understand the reasoning of if you dig deep enough into them. Even Ramsay Bolton, his cruelty is a direct result of the psychopathy of his house and his inferiority complex developed from being a bastard and a child of rape which his father points out at every opportunity.
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>>6393339
Jason was only 16 when he was causing his "embarrassments" with Asha, and is only 18 years old when he decides to run off on a suicide adventure. He's still young, and making believable mistakes of youth.
Upon returning, I imagine that he could say "Father, I was being reckless and foolish. I've matured since then, and I'm ready to start taking this seriously. I'll run the Westerlands and uphold the family name, even if I'll never quite reach your level". Sure, his early days were what you might reasonably expect from a young man who wanted a breath of freedom away from his overbearing dad, but there's still plenty of time for Jason to become the man that Tywin wants him to be, and move away from being reminiscent of The Laughing Lion.
The question is just whether or not Jason chooses to.
Actually, now I'm wondering...
How will Tywin react if Jason makes it back in one piece?
Forget about Brightroar. Just the fact that he sees his son and heir again after years of thinking him dead.
Anger and fury? Cold, silent disappointment? Or would he actually crack for a moment and just hug Jason; thanking the gods for bringing back his boy?
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>>6393389
No. After all Jason did to earn his freedom, would he really cave in to Tywin's tyranny like that? A father who only values him and his siblings as a tool to the house, not letting them be themselves and outright abusing our twin? Are you mad?
And what about Asha, do you think she'll suffer the abuse of Tywin after so long doing what she actually loves?
Jason is never going to be the perfect son. He's never going to be enough in Tywin's eyes. After Valyria, we'll have enough glory and strength to not live meekly under Tywin's shadow, and if we do, that is downright depressing. Jason isn't that weak in my eyes
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>>6393374
Truly the history of warfare is a fascinating ordeal. The very moment mankind first picked up a rock set us on a path of unmatched violence. Today a gun, but what does tomorrow hold?
The biggest advantages of crossbows over bows is they take even less space to use than a bow does, which itself took way less space to use than a sling did. But crossbows can be held at the ready and aimed effectively indefinitely. With a bow you are most effective when drawing, aiming and releasing is done in a single motion. Anything else is wasted energy. Crossbows don't have that weakness. Even if crossbows required specialized training and bodily development that alone would have made them preferable. To say nothing of things like siege crossbows which bows don't have an equivalent for owing to the limits of flesh compared to entirely mechanical power.
>>6393389
I think he will be mildly relieved. And then furious that we left Tyrion behind, which he will quickly be mildly relieved about because now he doesn't have to worry about the little shit in his court looking bad, and he may make himself useful doing whatever it is he is doing abroad. Or he'll die and that'll be the end of that headache.
And then he'll probably chain Jason to a table for the next few years.
>>6393395
I don't think it'd be that Jason is weak for existing in Tywin's shadow. Even Tyrion, after an entire lifetime of abuse and belittlement and absolute hatred directed his way, needed his entire worldview upended to make him have the guts to actually follow through with opposing Tywin. Tywin is a genuinely intimidating man and he casts a truly gigantic shadow. Guy can weaponize his bitterness and boy howdy does he have a lot of that.
We'll definitely have to see how this trip changes Jason. No steel can be forged without fire. Yet care must be taken not to melt the iron. Let's be sure to temper our boy properly.
I also wonder if Tywin would feel pain at seeing Jason truly happy with Asha. Or just anger.
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>>6393396
Tyrion only waited so long to oppose Tywin because any and all support he might've had was crushed by Tywin. And he was miserable the entire time. His only love was gangraped on Tywin's orders, by an entire barracks and lastly his own brother. He had noone, that's why he took so long to oppose him. Even Shae was hired by Tywin to spy on him.
Hell, now that he is with Tysha and he has a brother that genuinely supports him instead of fucking one of his tormentors, he chooses to stay in Essos rather than talk with his father again and suffer his gaze.
We have Asha, we have the Hightowers. After Valyria, we will have an achievement greater than anyone in the world of Asoiaf. It is weakness to be a shadow after that.
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Alright, after dealing with a crap ton of customers, I am ready to start writing.
It’s looking like Sorralol Dara wins, I’ll write. Likely will toss in another alternate POV for fun, but we’ll see.
While I do this, is there anything else you guys wanted to do in the summer isles? Or see while we’re here? You’ll be getting a second ship, Sorralol Dara’s personal Swan Boat, along with his crew and disciples.
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>>6393405
Well, I suppose we are being a bit pessimistic when it comes to that. If he survives and comes back to Westeros, he'd be our greatest supporter within our household, having seen our heroics firsthand.
However he is an adventurous spirit, perhaps after Valyria he'd decide to be a great explorer of the world. I kinda half expect him to be emboldened if he is successful and try to find that new continent that Gylbert Farwynd was talking about with his new Ironborn connections (courtesy of Asha Greyjoy) or at least tour the known world.
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>>6393409
>Sorralol Dara’s personal Swan Boat, along with his crew and disciples.
Does he call it the Free Bird? If it isn't, I propose the name for a ship Jason may make or own in the future. Also, hell yeah.
As for things to do, it might be fun to watch an Islander war with the Crew. Or go sightseeing with Asha. Or talking about lore and legends with the learned men of this place. Oh right or trying to collect cool rocks we find. I'd be down for any of these ideas.
Or the one anon had earlier of picking up tomes, scrolls, pictographs, schematics, or any other what-have-you for the buildings and their materials if they exist in this place. Learning is fun, as they say. If it isn't obvious I cannot pick between any of this stuff because it all sounds so interesting.
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>>6393412
I think it would be super fucking rad actually, yeah. Gerion if he survives gets bold about living free and far. He'd probably hang out with Tyrion in Volantis as a base of operations to mount voyages from. Maybe see how far down he can travel Sothoryos. Or if he can't map some of Ulthos. Or as you say, find far flung lands and secret continents. It'd also take him out of events for need of tracking most likely. Which would be a convenient way to capstone his involvement in the grand scheme of things.
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>>6393409
>is there anything else you guys wanted to do in the summer isles?
We should buy a present to give to Jamie and Robbert for the next time we see them.
A cool looking dagger for our brother, and a bottle of exotic booze/wine for The King
Actually, speaking of which... question for the QM
We know of Jason's disposition with other characters, but what does Asha's current disposition look like with Robbert, Oberyn, and Tywin?
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>>6393409
Assuming we are staying 3 to 4 days here before going to Volantis :
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- Practice with our new throwing spears under Sandor and Humfrey supervision (we have time now)
- Spend some time with Asha and talk of the expedition/future
- Talk with the Lotus Port learned men and nobility interested in our studies
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- See a marvel of architecture/exceptional building in Lotus Port.
- See an Islander war if one is near
>>6393246
No I am not interested in buying slaves lol. There could be other people, we will have to see. Even if yeah the Volantenes (forgot if thats what they are call) see people going east and watch them go to their deaths.
But there might be a potential companion or others that could jump at the occasion we offer. Adventorous or ambitious type exist even here. Though its either going to be one of a kind sellsword or a learned man not unfamiliar with the mysteries.
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>>6393300
LOL yes exactly. Asha has a legit, terrorifying nightmarish as fuck smile, apparently.
>>6393267
In appearance, her only two direct marks against her are her sinister smile and her large sharp nose but given how her features in general are sharper due to being fit as fuck...eh. I'm not sure about the last one. First one is legit though.
Of course, this is entirely excluding Westerosi bias against badass tomboy as the 'standard' beauty is based off ladylike which Asha hates with such burning, shearing passion any priestest of the Lord of Light would blush.
Ironborn and even Dornish would consider Asha super smoking hot. Jason too apparently... then again apparently, he has weird as fuck taste in women. To Asha's annoyance when he was openly checking out the mannish summer islander...Oh my god i just realized he is gonna sincerely compliment Brienne the beauty when he sees her LMAO.
Who knows maybe Sandor gets so drunk he accidentally gets laid and that someone just 'accidentally' is one of those heirs that volunteers. Imagine how he would try and fail to react properly.
>>6393395
Jason regularly faces down the Kraken and wannabe Reaver Queen that is legitimately the most ambitious and terrorifying female character in Song of Ice and Fire until Danny gets her dragons and even then, she isn't anywhere NEAR Asha's level when it comes to personal intimidation and instilling loyalty. Danny relies on her Dragons. Asha is just...Asha. The boy has balls even if nobody sees them on account of only seeing Asha being domineering and free to her antics. How many are gonna pay attention to how many men she would have otherwise tortured, murdered, and thrown overboard if they tried otherwise?
Even Asha fantasized countless times over how much EASIER it would have been if Jason were different so she could just kill him and be done with it. But Jason never gave her the chance to and instead she channeled her rage towards his father and a lot of complex feelings over wanting to claim his son for her own...Asha isn't even mad at him for it. She is more pissed at Tywin and her own family instead.
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>>6393425
I feel like the ambitious people in Volantis are not the type of people to sail into Valyria but instead try to conquer the Free Cities. Never say never, though. Doesn't hurt to look.
>>6393426>"Lady Brienne you have cheekbones which could batter down my castle gate."
>"I beg pardon my lord?!"
>"He means your cheekbones are strong and distinct features. Jason, please, we've been over this..."
It's funny cause I don't think he's necessarily "into" the dock lady, but he honestly thought something like "Wow what a unique look! That's interesting.".
Don't put that kind of evil on Sandor lmao he's cursed enough being friends with an aspie and a midget
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I feel like my description of the Summer Island woman failed to impart my vision, but that’s death of the author for you XD
Her voice is the only mannish thing about her.
Image is sort of what I had in mind face wise.
Though as I type this, I’m just over correcting, and it’s honestly kind of funny the reaction this got from people.
Though, he may actually compliment Brienne to be honest.
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>>6393433
Funnily I didn't read it as her face being manly. Just that she had really prominent features. Especially since Jason hasn't met all that many women, and most of the women he has met have probably been traditionally pretty and attractive. The impression I got from the description was actually kind of owl like. Intense but not frightening in its manner.
Thinking about it, has Jason met any women with a particularly deep or husky voice? Or just this lady here?
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>>6393421
Asha likes Robert enough to not blame him for her brother’s deaths or her father’s defeat. Seeing the unity of the greenlands, meeting Robert himself, and already being a bit different than other Ironborn makes her smart enough to realize that Baelon basically offered the Iron born on a silver platter to get crushed with his idiot play for independence. (Between 0/20 and 5/20)
Oberyn she already had zero reason to dislike, and plenty of reason to respect, and their conversation and the understanding she got with him set a good beginning for their relationship (5/20)
Tywin tried to break her, tore her from her mother, and claimed her as a prize despite having his fleet destroyed and needing the realm to beat the iron born. She hates him and how he thinks he can bend the world if he’s mean enough. (-10/20)
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>>6393438
Hems mostly met the women of his family or the Westerlands, as he was never warded in another house or really traveled. So yeah his main points of comparison are classical ideas of Westerosi beauty, his Aunts and Sister, and of course Asha who was about as far as he’s gotten beyond the standar beauty until he met Sarella and now the summer islanders.
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>>6393442
>tfw the reason why jason is so down with tomboys and rough beauties is cause when he sees a "normal" pretty lady it reminds him of his family
Wouldn't that be a ballbuster? lmao
But yeah that's what I figured. Thanks, QM.
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>There were tales of a local Legendary warrior, Sorralol Dara, having grown bored of the Islands and contemplating seeking employment within the disputed lands of Essos. He is said to be the greatest archer in the Summer Isles, and fair with spear and sling as well. He has thus far been paid by various princes to not participate in any disputes, leaving him bored. Perhaps a single man was worth your time?
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I just think it would be really sweet/cute if Jason gets able to pierce to Brienne walls and make her react more lady like with just a compliment.
Anyway, I'll still support my idea to ask for blueprints or anything about the local buildings and I'll also support what >>6393425 voted for
And I will add
>Spend time with wifey
Going to a bar and maybe brawl?
Ask her specifically to train us/shape us up a little?
Going for a romantic boat ride?
Just throwing ideas around, but yeah, it would be cool if they can spend time for a 1-on-1 time and maybe talk
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I decided to do a re-read of the books after this quest and damn, Cersei might be one of the most insane characters I have ever seen. She actually genuinely believes Joffrey is a good strong king because she idolises Tywin's brutality and basically nothing else. Like seven be good she complains so much about how Tommen should be more like Joffrey. Her pov chapters are so funny tho.
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Anons, I'm on episode 7 of the season 2 of GoT, and I wanted to ask you: How do you think they reunion of Theon and Asha will be?
Would she had at least a kid or two with Jason? Will Theon attack the North by orders of his father? Would Asha meet the Stark before that happen, and will seek for Theon's head?
I don't know how things go on the books but I still wanted to ask, specially if things go different compared to the show
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>>6393625
The show basically removes all magical aspects from the world as D&D wanted a more grounded story. Everyone is aged up. A lot of characters are removed or changed, like Jeyne Poole is gone, Cersei isn't batshit insane, Asha is Yara, and her personality is bulldozed to a plainly insultingly wrong charicature. No Jojan paste for Bran. Jon Snow is a fool. Dornish plotlines are gone and forgotten. Littlefinger, Varys are basically a shadow of their book counterparts. Renly is a twink now cuz apparently gay men can't be muscular.
Tywin is pretty good in the show tho. Same with the Queen of thorns.
Idk, I think the books are superior in every way. Until the last episode of season 5 D&D still had the books to use, but a lot of characters don't have the personality they have. the earlier seasons are a lot better, so you have a few more episodes until you can physically see the quality drop off a cliff
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>>6393469
>jason compliments brienne
>brienne teeters on the edge of thinking she's being mocked
>jason smiles that dopey, easy smile of his
>suddenly brienne feels very girlish and gets butterflies
>asha dynamic entries and dropkicks jason for doing it AGAIN
I'm reasonably certain Brienne has a praise kink or some shit. Longing for that affirmation stuff. She's not ladylike but desperately wants to be treated like a proper lady. You just know she wants someone to princess carry her. But she also wants respect for what she is good at, which is very much not lady like. And Jason would definitely have no qualms with acknowledging her skill at arms and impressive prowess. Unfortunately she meets Renly before she meets Jason so her loyalty is with Renly, first. And her heart but we don't want that, we already have a great wife.
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I imagine Asha'a reunion with Theon to be less petty and probably without the secret identity just to fuck with him bit. Or perhaps more openly antagonistic and belittling of him.
As for whether Theon will do Things(TM) I imagine all of that stuff will play out normally. Since Theon's inferiority complex and the influences he has had seemingly remain the same. He'll fight the north as expected and get assblasted. Asha probably won't try to kill him or anything like that, though. Unless she somehow makes a true solid alliance with the Northern houses via marriage promises if she does have kids with Jason by then. The biggest divergences we'll have to wait and see for, if Euron gets the Wet Rock Seat instead of Asha, things will play out mostly in line with the book's canon probably. If Asha manages to win there will be some significant changes we can only speculate at.
Unless there are significant divergences before the kingsmoot, Theon will probably get REEK'd still.
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>>6393651
I don't know if we should, but if Theon takes Winterfell, maybe Jason could try to convince Tywin to send troops up North to help hold it?
The Greyjoy's would then have the Iron Islands, The North, and via Asha they'd also have an alliance with the Westerlands.
What a weird powerbloc
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>>6393665
A lot of things still gotta happen to get there. And I wager Stannis would still Mannis the fuck out of the North. Maybe even harder if we did put Lannister men up there to prop up Theon. Since the North really, really, really doesn't like Lannisters.
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>>6393625
>How do you think they reunion of Theon and Asha will be?
Hard to say at this point.
I think it is at least a lot less likely that Balon tries to get in on the chaos with a spot of raiding. In the books, Asha is living with him essentially as his heir, and goes in on that plan with him and is integral to it. In this timeline, she is married to the Lannister heir AND she has big ass resentments against Balon's shit-stirring because she, having been taken as a war bride essentially, is a casualty of it as much as her siblings. If Balon somehow still feels confident trying his raids without Asha, he would also be at odds with her.
If the Boltons once again side with the Lannisters in dramatic fashion, that probably precludes Ramsay from capturing and tormenting Theon. If Theon decides to capture Winterfell for whatever reason, Asha's position may even lead to the Lannisters sending troops to back him up since the Ironborn, canonically, leave him high and dry. I think Theon could potentially be a bridge for us to cool off hostilities with the Starks if we choose to do so.
I guess my hope is that with our backing and her new bundle of resentments, Asha is able to take the Seastone throne, and then liberate Theon from his hostagedom but retain his friendly disposition to the Starks. She can more effectively push for some reforms with the Ironborn, and we can leverage the bigger, badder, better funded iron fleet as we sue for peace with the North and realign ourselves against the obvious bastards (no pun intended) of King's Landing? Theon is spared a world of pain and humiliation and the war swings a bit differently.
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>>6393431
Would you rather curse Sandor with Jeoffry and crushing on Sansa? We are in the one place on the planet where the people probably treat it like a fucking holy duty to get Sandor laid. Its gonna be hilarious to see his reaction the morning after on the boat with whoever the lucky lady was.
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>>6393442
Lmao looks like Asha REALLY did a huge impact on Jason's nascent taste in women being so completely and utterly warped by her. So entirely self inflicted pain for Asha with his...tastes. He was just too pure, innocent, and dense as gold when she got him.
To be fair to Jason he was mainly around Westerlander women and the most traditional Reach women for the last two years. Only recently, he was exposed to Dornish and Summer Islander women that are more in line with Asha's style. Before that, it was entirely the extremely unorthodox and hardcore tomboy that is Asha that was fucking his brains out while being surrounded by the most extreme and traditional ladies out there.
Nice to see that for the first time in her life, Brienne is gonna get a legitimate compliment as a woman from a sincere man. Hopefully, it's before she meets Renly. That will rock her world. Poor girl needs to realize she needs to rock the Amazonian look and own it to find someone.
>>6393448
Makes it even worse when you remember Cersei. Asha did too good a job on Jason. His taste in women is wildly unorthodox now lol.
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>>6393718
Well the problem I see with Sandor is that he probably isn't emotionally ready for a connection like that with a lady. He's the pump n dump type right now. He needs to grow and heal a bit first. Which means he probably needs to kill his brother first so he can finally chill out a bit. I also feel he's not the type to mingle business and pleasure like that, but that's hard to say when his business is one that doesn't usually involve women in or near it. He gets a bit weird when he's drunk and stressed which shows how complicated his want for affection is. His whole strangeness with Sansa is partially because she's so innocent and he wants to nurture that but can't reconcile that with how much he hates everything around him including himself. Genuinely Sandor needs therapy. Best we can do is help him confront what issues he can resolve himself. I.E. his brother, with a goddamn axe to the spinal column. The whole journey of self discovery thing, too.
But this is a lot of gay talk to say "He dun wan it".
>Jason "Bricc-layer" Lannister
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>>6393625
>Would she had at least a kid or two with Jason?
Depends.... We are probably going to sit our ass at least for a week in the estate/house of Tyrion and Tysha, after the Expedition ends. Recover from the fatigue, horror, pain and losses. And if Jason and Asha didn't suffer a disease/curse/wound that could be a problem, then they could start making their family. There is of course the additional issue : Asha doesn't want the kids she is going to make with Jason to be taken by Tywin. In any way. Jason doesn't likely want that either. But the couple has yet to talk extensively about "what happens after Valryia".
>Will Theon attack the North by orders of his father?
I agree with the anon that said what Theon is going to do, will remain the same. Unless something changed in his life.
>Would Asha meet the Stark before that happen,
Some Lannisters and the royal family will go north. Tyrion and Tysha will not be in Westeros (most unfortunately. Unless Tywin is dead), but Jason and Asha will likely be in Westeros.
>and will seek for Theon's head?
I am not sure she will want Theon death at that point. Fifty/fifty. Asha is about to change a bit more has her relation with Jason grows, with the Valyria expedition results and of course when she will become a mom.
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>>6393758
>(most unfortunately. Unless Tywin is dead)
The reason i say this is that i imagine both of the twins would want to be nearby one another. Especially if they are going both to make families.
Tyrion will likely grow more cultured and learned in Volantis. If he manages to set up a trade company, he will have his own riches and alongside that plenty of protection. We are likely going to give him some of the loot from the Expedition, so he will be more than prepared in Volantis. I wonder what kind of woman Tysha is going to be instead, her life changed a lot from years ago and she is has been a "lady in waiting" for a while (and soon to be actual wife), and she travelled plenty.
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I will say that we really shouldn't wait to have kids on some basis of "Tywin needs to die first" because we have no idea how long that'll take.
Like, you gotta remember that this is still a medieval setting where death in childbirth is VERY common for both the mom and the kid, and the longer you wait the more likely it is. Think of it like an increasing malus to the kid roll on every few years that passes.
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>>6393852
Seems to me we will get knocked up when the expedition is over, as we'll be a good age for it - not too late but not too early - and have gotten the big dangerous undertaking out of the way. Asha probably won't be able to resist the urge to have kids with us any longer after that, and while she maybe won't be able to contend with Tywin outright, she will be much better set to do so. I'm gonna assume that being able to match Euron's swashbuckling (and raise him, frankly, with proof or loot) will give her more sway among the Ironborn, we'll have Tyrion, Sandor, Dara, and Humfrey (which we don't yet know if he is exceptional as the other three mentioned in any regard but w/e he's our bro) in our retinue solidly. News of our success will have at least two or three more badasses looking to join up with us, maybe more. We'll be better positioned than any of Tywin's canon children ever end up being in the books to openly oppose him. We have a kid or two if we're lucky and the twin gene holds, then lock in on making sure they are super secure.
Hell, regardless of anything else, when she gets back from Valyria she individually will probably be a much deadlier fighter just from the mental and physical challenges of the trip, and so on that basis alone might feel more confident defying a man that commands a Mountain(tm).
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>>6393860
Honestly, I expect that once disposition hits a certain threshold, Asha will tell us what's kept her from getting pregnant and why, and once she lets us in we can actively work with her as a team to escape the yoke of Tywin, probably through a combination of moves - taking the Seastone Throne, forming a personal power bloc, forging some unanticipated alliances, and eliminating his champion, Gregor.
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What do you all think Jaime's fate will be? In the books he was entering his redemtion arc after losing his sword hand, burning the letter sent by Cersei asking him to save her.
I think Brienne is the perfect gal for him, and it would be nice to make him leave Cersei early somehow but I frankly don't see how.
I wonder what he thinks or our trip to Valyria
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>>6393860
Tywin will want to enforce his desires even more on the couple after all this years passed that he couldn't control them, kids are also more easy to take. No matter what we return with he cannot allow freedom. If we are going to do it, we will have to collect a sizable retinue and Asha will have to take a good amount of Ironborns, before we return to the Westernlands. It might become a cold war in Casterly Rock, but its the only way to protect our new family.
>we'll have Tyrion, Sandor, Dara,
Tyrion 100% will want to marry Tysha (and make kids), and doesn't want to wait in secret anymore. He is tired of that. Tywin will blow up in rage when he hears it, which will matter 0 since Tyrion can become more than capable to protect his own kids and Tysha, if he is in Volantis. If he is in the Westernlands not so much, even with our help (we will already have to protect our freedom and our new family when we get back; and at the same time we need to know about our vassals and make some of them loyal to us. Our architectural projects will be also messed with by Tywin if we do them, so thats another thing we have to counter).
Sandor and Dara depends how it goes here. Same for Humfrey. If they survive it would be very beneficial for our security and in case we have a war to deal with.
>and Humfrey (which we don't yet know if he is exceptional as the other three mentioned in any regard but w/e he's our bro)
He is becoming a friend, and he is still a knight with a martial disposition and a Hightower. Should count for something. If he has a specific martial talent (skilled with a mace, a good military commander, skilled with a flail, a good organizer, skilled with a sword, an inspiring presence etc....), it should show here in Valyria where everyone will be put to the test and at risk of danger. And if that doesn't happen he has years ahead for get specialized.
>>6393970
>I wonder what he thinks or our trip to Valyria
He might be very depressed since we haven't seen him by a while same for Tyrion. He probably never thought both of his dear brothers, would follow Uncle Gerion in Valyria (he doesn't know Tyrion will remain in Volantis, and that he will marry Tysha. Or that Jason and Asha will likely survive. Jamie was also never informed by Tyrion or Jason, that Tyrion has found love). Jamie might start to mourn us, losing 2 brothers would hurt him. + an Uncle.
Cersei is probably jumping of joy since 2 "brothers" she despises are very likely going to die soon (she also doesn't know a thing like Jamie).
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>>6393990
When we return from Valyria, Cersei might actually hate us even more than Tyrion. Her obsession with the Valanqar prophecy and our successful return from the expedition might make us the more dangerous little brother in her eyes.
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>>6393990
>Tywin will want to enforce his desires even more on the couple after all this years passed that he couldn't control them, kids are also more easy to take.
Sure, but regardless of what Tywin WANTS, I am anticipating that the next time we see him, it will be with the full ability to defy those wants.
I think we need Tyrion's mind in our corner, but it's too early for me to have an idea of how we'd protect him. A lot depends on how this trip goes.
I think the wise plan would be:
>Return from Valyria
>Go to the Iron Islands first
>Flex and let Asha possibly take the throne or at least a portion of the iron fleet
>Offer a privateer service to the friends we have made in Dorne, Oldtown, Volantis, and Summer Islands in order to raise personal funds, if there is extra Valyrian loot that is better sold than kept, we do so
>Tour around a bit more and show off our Valyrian swag, attract two or three more big dick swingers into our retinue (or more if something tragic happens like Dara or Humfrey dying, I am assuming Sandor will be safe in Volantis while he guards Tyrion, I'll def be voting for him to stay off the firey hell-islands of Valyria if it's up to a vote)
>Use the funds we raised from privateering/loot and whatever familial wealth we can access on the Greyjoy or Lannister sides to buy a mercenary company and let Tyrion manage it for us
We could do all of that within two years of getting back from Valyria, and we'd then be personally powerful enough to openly defy Tywin.
Even if some of that stuff gets complicated, so long as Asha successfully takes the Seastone Throne, that alone will be enough because Tywin mistreating her, at that point, is not just him being bad to a daughter in law - it is him antagonizing another head of house, and one he is allied with. If she is merely able to claim a portion of the iron fleet, we ought to still amass personal power with a private military apparatus and a baller retinue - Tywin has no friends, few loyal allies, and while the Lannister army would still outclass most any merc company, we could at least make it so that an internal conflict with us would be too costly and destroy the house (and Tywin's legacy).
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>>6394058
Solid plan desu, especially since Tywin assumes us dead and news of our return from Valyria will take a long time to reach Westeros. It is also a good time to meet the family of our wife, glory and loot in hand. Maybe we can give a quick visit to Theon in Winterfel as well since we would be in the region.
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>>6393990
>Jamie might start to mourn us, losing 2 brothers would hurt him. + an Uncle.
Tyrion will stay in Volantis with Tysha, Jason could write a letter to him saying "don't worry about me, I'm here to make sure uncle Gerion doesn't choke on a fish while Tyrion will stay in Volantis for our return"
He will be worried, maybe still mourn Jason, but at least we left a letter to the other brother who cared about us, and will still have another one to go and visit when he can + keep him updated
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>>6394081
Thanks, I think it'll come pretty naturally as soon as Asha tells us what she's afraid of - I suspect most of that has already occurred to her. The Lannister fleet is still being rebuilt and she knows the defenses better than Tywin does, and how he has left them vulnerable. She would be right to think that just taking her throne would be enough, but I don't see why we can't be enterprising here and drum up our own martial powers.
If we pull it off, Tywin may be pissed off because of his compulsive need to control everything, but I expect he'd be damn impressed, too, and probably feel a lot more at ease letting us take control of the house seeing as we have succeeded in a way none of our siblings ever did. As ordinary as Jason is in many ways, he is still Tywin's son; that conquest gene is somewhere in there.
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>>6394058
Once we get some fleet power back, THEN we should return to Lannisport. Reclaim our place as Heir, rather than Kevin's kids, and have the backing that Tywin cannot kill us and if our lady Kraken stays with the ships then we have a clean way to escape with outside pressure against him.
Once we have our position as an heir, we can go back to building our powerbase.
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>>6394090
Something I really really feel is being ignored is our lack of bannermen.
None of our vassals know us from Jack or Adam. There is no relationship or loyalty to call on, and our strangeness does us little favour.
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>>6394088
I don't think Tywin will be impressed. He is the Type of person that'll see Asha gaining power over the Iron Islands as a potential threat and Jason as being used by his savage wife (instead of being used by him) but at that point he would just have to deal with it and plan around it. I don't doubt he will try to find some leverage against us (or more specifically Asha) and try his best to make the house rise even further, but facilitating a Lannister takeover of the Iron islands might be a bit hard even for him.
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>>6394091
That is true, but I feel like that is completely in character for Jason. He never showed too much aptitude for politics and the court, instead being focused on his legos.
What he does know are the smallfolk, the workers, masons, shipwrights, the landed knights he put forth for the defenses, and the small houses that usually go unnoticed. He has improved their lives directly by providing job opportunities and protection, "The Builder" isn't a name you get without people recognising you.
I think we should focus on that aspect instead of the traditional house politics of Westeros, sure it'll be quite unorthodox, and a hard path, but maybe we could be able to raise a citizen militia and create the foundations for not relying too much on the feudal system in place. I think its more in character and will make for an interesting narrative.
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>>6394058
3 things add onto this.
1. Asha doesn't need to return to the Ironborn Islands to raise a Ironborn Fleet.
The Ironborn Reavers pirating in Essos WILL hear about the Valyrian Expedition very fast and how Asha Greyjoy herself was a vital/high ranking member. The ultimate possible flex for modern Ironborn is sailing the smoking sea much less bring back loot from a successful expedition. The pirate isles aren't that far away from Volantis. So the reavers will flock together and join under her banner. We just have to take a long enough break for them to rally and catch up to swear service to Asha and than give Asha enough time to break them in.Asha is extremely good at breaking Ironborn reavers and instilling immense loyalty in her men.
2. Heading to King's Landing allows us to win over the King with our exploits and forces Tywin to come to US on OUR terms instead of his, instead of rushing directly for a Grand Feast for the entire realm to celebrate our expedition. Yes, we should visit the Iron Islands but only after flexing before the entire Seven Kingdoms. Throwing a massive tournament and feast with all that gold before heading directly to Iron Islands and the North. Westerlands should be saved last for our triumphant return.
3. Privateering is a good way to legitimize the Ironborn reavers especially because Privateering contracts can also be sought from the Free Cities themselves with Tyrion's help but we also need to secure LEGITIMATE means of profit via trade for them. so they aren't strictly forced to reave and fight to sustain themselves, which is why the Traditionalists can never truly be crushed because the Ironborn do not see a true alternative. Asha might be a reformist but even she needs to offer OPTIONS. Even our gold cannot entirely buy that alone. They need GOODS to TRADE. They have the muscle to protect/pirate and the ships to transport said goods. The Iron Islands however are rich in SALT...like they have a metric shit ton of the stuff. Really, they're the only good and valuable trade commodity that they can produce locally. The other one I can think of is clam farming for pearls and whaling but that stuff cannot compare to the life necessity that is SALT. Which everyone needs. Not to mention, they trade with the North for ICE to ship valuable seafood for a premium. Allowing them to export and expand their previously heavily restricted native fisheries.
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>>6394103
That would mirror Asha a bit, as she is a reformer of the Ironborn culture and we would be a reformer of the Westerosi culture, going directly against the feudal norms that ends with thousands being thrown into the meat grinder every 3 decades
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>>6394090
I don't think we have to go all the way to Lannisport to regain our position as heir - we should strut around King's Landing for a couple of weeks after we hit the Iron Islands, maybe? I think going back to Lannisport before solidifying our personal power bloc would be a big mistake, Tywin would probably take our children from us or try to undermine our autonomy so we don't take any more big dramatic risks.
>>6394091
On the one hand, I think other anon is right that as per a previous update, Westerlanders have started to notice us and call us 'The Builder', but on the other I agree we have taken a mysterious and aloof sort of path. But I don't think we could get the Lannister vassals to side with us over Tywin, even if they knew us better. Maybe a couple? That's why I think we should lean on the Greyjoy side of the equation, establish a private, personal military company, and make some more foreign friends - our inroads with the Hightowers (and Tyrell's by extension), Summer Isles, and Martells could give us strong enough support from the South if we spent some more time shoring things up. Best case scenario, Asha can leverage Theon to get us support from the North, with the Starks seeing us as a desirable replacement for Tywin's bellicose, ruthless posture. Then we would be able to sandwich the West from above and below by land, cutting them off from royal reinforcements, and block them off by sea... If it came to a real boil, anyways.
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>>6394103
Are you going to replace the houses that serve Lanister?
Raze the old, Build up entirely new houses in their place? If not then we need some local buy in. Bannermen are not just there for war, they are there to administer the lands!
And nobility gets nervous when you start revoking ancestral claims.
>>6394106
The solution to that is to not take our kids anywhere near the Rock. We go to the rock to speak and demand.
Still, I think you are looking at all this far too much like a conqueror with ironborn backing rather than a heir.
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>>6394104
I forgot another good point but this is more about the mercenary company idea.
There are a ton of otherwise screwed 3rd+ noblesons and hedge knights. If Tyrion manages a mercenary company and offers them a proper place for Westerosi to fight and gain gold/renown. Ironborn privateers under Asha can easily offer them joint fleet support as required with her support(which she will). Tyrion however is gonna need a Champion and Commander the men will actively respect/fear. He can certainly handle the logistics and tactics but he needs someone who can enforce it. It will provide an alternative to the Golden Company which is stuffed full of rebels and outlaws. A certain...legitimacy if you will.
Also even Tywin never cut off Tyrion from Lannister Gold no matter how much he hated his guts. Much less his actual heir Jason. He would never dare to...punish after the fact, certainly but absolutely not before.
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Jason isn't much of a reformer, just very sympathetic seemingly Dornish customs. Everyone would just compare him to the Dornish with how his reactions with his wife. His views on gentry and smallfolk would raise some eyebrows but given how he treats coastal bannermen with heavily enforcing their ranks that can easily be overlooked. The only real nobility with professional misgivings towards him would be the inland nobility because he hasn't outright thrown them a bone yet. As for the Great Houses...the Martells consider him a joke and would rather take his wife seriously instead. They are probably the most accepting and forward in adopting a more Dornish approach in how they interact with the couple. As for how the other Great Houses see the couple we don't know yet. There would obviously be a shit ton of personal misgivings towards him given his wife, reputation, and personal hobby.
Now his reputation on the other hand before Valyria is more than a little fucked after tournament fiasco thanks to Cersei. After Valyria is definitely gonna be seen as the Mad Lion.
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Tyrells require a marriage alliance to secure. Hopefully, we have a son in time for Margaery. Martells will never side with a Lannister...Asha on the other hand, is a very different story. Right now, they are feeling each other out. Starks won't budge until Asha discovers a certain daughter of theirs that she'll gush over when she visits Theon and sees that Jason isn't Tywin.
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>>6394104
>The Ironborn Reavers pirating in Essos WILL hear about the Valyrian Expedition very fast
I think that's assuming too much, personally. We don't know that coming back from Valyria automatically nets us a substantial fleet. We do know that if Asha goes to the Iron Islands to flex and rally a fleet, we will walk away with some ships and crews at minimum, and all of them if things go well. We ought to aim high, for all of them, and strike while the iron is hot, imo. If we wait a few more years for Asha to make a move on the throne, that's more time for Euron or others eyeing the throne to amass their own power and feats.
>Heading to King's Landing allows us to win over the King with our exploits and forces Tywin to come to US on OUR terms instead of his
I do agree with this, I just think we should avoid putting the cart before the horse. We can afford some extra time to be sure we have not only a heroic adventure behind us, but money, troops, and skilled people, too. If we sail from Valyria up to the Iron Islands first, we can head to King's Landing second, it'll only add two or three months of time between our escaping Valyria and visiting the high court, but we'd be doing it with way more manpower and in a much safer position politically. If we go straight to KL and call on Tywin to meet us there, Asha's concerns about her kids being taken or her life being controlled are unaltered, and in fact we are delivering her into a situation where those fears could be easily realized. Robert may dote on our accomplishments but he is indebted to Tywin in a huge way, and married to Cersei, he would barely be able to protect us from their depredations.
>Privateering is a good way to legitimize the Ironborn reavers
Right, my thinking is that it's the best first step to reforming, and allows us to keep reaver culture alive, really. They Do Not Sow? Perfect, you can keep raiding, just do it for the Lords we like, against the ones we don't, and other pirates, and so on. We can turn it into a revenue stream and grow the fleet substantially.
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>>6394109
>Tyrion however is gonna need a Champion and Commander the men will actively respect/fear.
We can find one. Maybe Humfrey is given that honor, if he survives long enough and kicks enough ass, and I imagine that would do a lot for our personal alliance with the Hightowers.
>As for the Great Houses...the Martells consider him a joke and would rather take his wife seriously instead.
Source? We did Sarella a solid by mending Humfrey's heart a little, treated Oberyn with an excess of honor and friendliness, and I think have left a good impression on them.
>Tyrells require a marriage alliance to secure.
Source? We have befriended the Hightowers and are set to continue to nurture that friendship, and they are tightly allied with the Tyrells by marriage. They are our only real rivals in terms of resources and of course were Targ supporters, but we have a foot in the door with them and maybe offering them privateers/mercs at a discount to shore up their lacking military could bring them to the table for the kinds of talks that make long term friends.
>Starks won't budge until Asha discovers a certain daughter of theirs that she'll gush over when she visits
I think, again, this assumes too much - it's a nice idea, I agree the two would likely get along, but it's just not any certainty the two will ever meet, even
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Getting close to the end. Also ended up introducing another NPC that will not be going to Valyria with you but may prove useful later.
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>>6394107
>>6394109
From the way I see it, Jason is a reformer, although for now it has been by accident. He directly gave more power to landed knights and the smallfolk for them to be able to facilitate their own defence, instead of the nobility doing that for them. He did this because it was more efficient, but as Tywin pointed out, innefficiency is built into the feudal system as a feature not a bug.
I am not saying we raise our own bannermen from scratch, I am suggesting we question the bannermen system in its entiretry and with how singleminded Jason is at 'solving' problems I believe he will do so anyways.
We know from real life how the formations of standing armies and citizen militias made the feudal system obsolete simply due to how much more effective they were, and from the path that Jason has been taking I am certain we might be able to raise the smallfolk up to a level where they can compete with westerosi forces a lot easier than we would be able to sway bannermen from Tywin's influence to ours.
I believe it is definitely a path that Jason has the chance to take, I am sure with all the things he did already he must know nearly all the prominent smallfolk of the westerlands intimately, while the only information we have from the bannermen are their complaints to Tywin because our plan to defend against the Ironborn bruised their egos.
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>>6394107
>Still, I think you are looking at all this far too much like a conqueror with ironborn backing rather than a heir.
In a way that's true, but it's a consequence of Tywin not being able to truly embrace us as an heir. He doesn't want to groom us for command, he isn't curious about how we would see fit to lead, and he doesn't want us to accrue power that is independent from his own. He wants to forcefully bend us into shape, make us a clone of himself, essentially, and only hand over the levers of power when he is too old and infirm and only begrudgingly so, then. It would be great if there was not an adversarial edge to the relationship, but I think there just is, if we want to take the house in a different direction without killing the man outright, we have to be able to assert ourselves with the only thing Tywin understands - power and wealth. Our own power, and our own wealth, which belongs solely to us, and isn't rooted in the Lannister coffers which he ultimately controls.
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>>6394126
So long as we have fleet backing and friendship with the Tyrells/Ironborn loyal to Asha we have the militaristic power to walk the Rock without tywin killing us or otherwise doing overtime shit.
We can use this reprieve to meet with some worthwhile bannermen. Try and develop some more connections
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>>6393970
>I wonder what he thinks or our trip to Valyria
Jaime would probably be in disbelief that Jason would go at all. Mild mannered Jason, going to Valyria? Really? Then I think he might even blame Asha specifically for it, as if she had convinced Jason to go as a means of getting him killed by "circumstance" so she could be free. I don't think Jaime will be happy Jason went, but he would be extremely relieved to see Jason survived if he makes it back.
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Damn son. Shit is MEATY kek I am also always down to meet new frens
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>>6394091
Its normal. Jason was not really the ideal noble. Or the traditional heir. Not being a knight for quite a while did not help this either.
Jason is a learned man, one that also puts his hands and not just his mind on what he does. The common people of the Westernlands though seems to like him a bit.
But we can still have some cards to play with our future vassals: the Valyria Expedition and our expertise that could grow even further. Our projects could transform the Westernlands even more than the rule of Tywin (the Lannister army is considered the best at the moment for example). Jason might be weird for westernlanders nobility, but if he could show his genius in construction an argument could be made that Jason could lead the West in a new golden age ( supported further by bringing say, Brightroar home. Or that and more).
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Jason is a very fitting depiction of a 'spare son' type noble, has a skillset and personality completely unfit for ruling but was basically forced into the position after some shit happened to the guy that was supposed to inherit it all.
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>>6394146
Reminds me of Egg, actually. Weirdo that is least likely to end up in the big chair, and spends his youth making inroads with smallfolk while buddying up with legendary badasses, particularly from places or backgrounds unfriendly to his family.
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>>6394154
Idunno how likely or possible it is, but I keep imagining a future where Tywin is actually forced to take the black, either as punishment for all his sins or simply to clear the Lannister throne for Jason without killing him, maybe both. Perhaps a total pipe dream. Still, would be cool to go visit him and end up having a nice long chat with Aemon. Or maybe Ned ends up there instead of headless, since Tyrion will almost certainly avoid being kidnapped by Cat, now? I imagine Jason would want to talk to Ned at some point after his letter to Stannis is widely circulated, or maybe just after having met Theon?
I think you're right, though, Aemon would vibe with Jason big time, I am pretty sure he has at least a couple Valyrian steel links and would be worth talking to about the oddities beyond The Wall.
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Honestly I don't see Ned surviving in any circumstance. I believe in the theory that Jaqen H'ghar was hired by Varys to kill Ned while he was on his way to Castle Black, because the spider benefits from Westerosi civil war and instability. It is also why he kills Kevan with a crossbow, as Cersei will become even more insanely paranoid thinking Tyrion is in the walls with a crossbow (which he used to kill Tywin).
Idk about Tywins fate however. Honestly him taking the black is a cool concept but more than half the realm and the crown is in his debt. He personally is like the iron bank, so no sane politician would want him gone
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There might be an alternate route to take advantage of...
Bobby B
The King himself is somewhat fond of us and will most certainly be impressed by surviving the expedition. His authority supersedes Tywin's.
I'm not sure about the details, but if we returned to King's Landing for our 'Welcome Home' celebration, Jason could quietly ask Robert to join him in a room with privacy, and ask for help.
Telling him straight up "Your majesty, I am afraid that my father will try to take away my children, and I won't be able to stop him" is a genuinely earnest and legitimate plea for help.
With people like Robert, Ned, Jon Arryn, and several others having our back, we could outmaneuver Tywin without risking a single drop of blood being spilled.
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Hmmm, not sure. Maybe?
It depends on Asha, and where she'd want to be.
Old Town is proximate to the Iron Islands, so she'd be able to quickly get back and forth. Storms End is safe, but I doubt they'd be as accommodating to Asha's proclivities as a Reaver, and she'd also be pretty far away from Jason.
Or if we want Tywin to have the biggest seething melty then send her to Sunspear with the Martell's.
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“Bullshit,” said the Hound as he slammed his mug onto the table “I don’t give a fuck what songs these fuckers sing, no man can shoot an arrow a mile away, let alone accurately hit a man.” He said, staring at Sarella who was sitting on Humfrey’s lap.
Humfrey looked unsure but blushed all the same as her arms wrapped around his neck possessively, another aspect of her continued attempts and motions to show her affections, though despite how close they were physically, that betrayal still left a distance between them that neither wanted to speak on.
Sarella shrugged “Hey, that’s just what everyone says. The Prince broke the rules, tried to run, then died with a meter of arrow impaling his neck. And he’s done this multiple times, he’s the most feared overseer in the isles.” She said, overseer being the closest translation to the roll, one where an archer of trusted renown oversees the more ritual like wars of the summer Isles and strikes down any who break the rules or cheats. It was an aspect of the Summer Islander wars that you had not heard, likely missed by the Maesters who wrote of the culture by virtue of no one cheating during the battles the maesters had observed.
Sandor scoffed, shaking his head as he got another thing of ale “Fucking nonesense, these summer cunts prancing around calling these things war. Bet that fat ass flower Mace could conquer this place with some proper knights.” He grumbled, seeming to enjoy the special brews of the summer isles.
You, sitting next to Asha as she chugged her own drink and you calmly drank your own, put on a thoughtful expression “I don’t know Sandor, I think it might be worth checking out. He could just be an anomaly like you or your brother. Had I never met the mountain that rides or heard of his feats, I would think the same.” You said, Sandor rolling his eyes but not arguing with that logic. You looked to Sarella “Where can we find this Sorralol Dara?”
“Sorralol Dara,” Sarella politely corrected, you unable to hear the difference “currently resides in the titan’s wood, a forest of trees taller than any you’ve seen in the Westerlands and maybe taller than any in Westeros. There he trains and hunts, while warriors seeking to learn from him try to earn his attention. You’ll have to get to him first.”
“What, is the fucker shy?”
“No just…doesn’t like being bothered. He thinks most people who try to talk to him are boring, vapid, annoying, stupid, or craven.”
Sandor considered this, then leaned back and nodded “Aye, wise man.”
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While Asha nodded along with Sandor, you stood up “Well, if my father taught me anything besides how to make someone feel less than person,” you said with a smile “it’s to take action and take charge. I’ll go and speak to this Sorralol Dara an-“
“No, Sorralol Dara,” Sarella said, you looking at her.
“…Sorralol Dara.”
“No, you’re putting too much weight on the center. It needs to be like…the rise of a song.”
“…Sorrelel Dora?”
“Closer, but it’s Sorralol Dara. You know what, just… do your best and say it respectfully…maybe he’ll appreciate the effort.” Sarella said, Humfrey sending a glance to you that said that he didn’t know how to say it right either.
“I’ll do my best,” you say with a shake of your head and a laugh. You then leaned down and smiled at Asha as she drank “After that, did you want to rent a river boat and check out the sights?”
Asha finished her drink, then looked up to you “The sights? Do you mean the buildings, the city layout… or the dock mistress?” She said, leveling her gaze at you as you smiled.
“No I mean my wife surrounded by flowers in the summer isles, I mean us finding a real tavern or bar or juice house or whatever they have here and listening to a bard sing gibberish to us nicely while we get drunk like that night in Lannisport.”
Asha raised her brow, smiling as she thought for a moment “Exactly like that night at Lannisport?”
You shrugged “I mean, I rather we dance than brawl but what happens happens.” You say, kissing her forehead and then heading off “Sandor you wanna come?”
“Fuck off.”
“Fair retort, I’m off.” You said, turning to leave before there was a shift of movement.
“I’ll come with you, I wanna see this warrior. Uh Sarella, could you get Sandor here some help?” Humfrey said, getting up from under Sarella and heading to your side.
Sarella gave a concerned look, worry in her eyes before she smiled and buried “O-of course, our Hound needs to find some companionship.”
Sandor let out a growl “No I don’t, I got my beer and I got a bed. You can keep these fucking sunburnt dogs off of me.” He said, Sarella rolling her eyes as she looked at Asha, Asha nodding before both girls pulled him up to his feet “Hey, don’t fucking touch me. Just because you don’t have cocks doesn’t mean I won’t put you in the ground.”
“Quit your bitching you fucking child,” Asha said, shoving him towards the door “We’re gonna get you some nice lady who’ll make you feel wanted tonight, and you’re gonna be happy about it or I’ll beat your ass and drop your corpse in the bay.”
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You watched as Asha and Sarella escorted a grumbling Sandor out, Sarella ducking under a slightly drunken swing from Sandor that had no real power behind it, and Asha punching his side as punishment. “AH! You fucking Cunt!”
“That’s Lady Cunt to you, now come on!” She said, kicking Sandor out the door and following after him, Sarella sparing a glance back to Hunfrey who didn’t meet her eyes, before she left.
You stood next to Humfrey for a little, watching the conflict in his eyes as he smiled and buried it “Let’s go meet this Dara fellow, it sounds like a chance to meet a legend.”
You met his gaze with a warm and understanding one, the best you could do to be there for him without saying anything “Let’s go meet a Legend.” You said, before turning to head off.
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The first day, Humfrey and you went to the Titan’s Wood where the trees rose higher than the towers of castles, some taller than even The HighTower in Oldtown. You and Humfrey were breathless at the sight of them, their bases wider than houses, and the song of the trees shifting in the wind filling the air.
Sticking out of the earth with the roots growing around and through them were more of the rainbow stones you had seen in the construction of the older and more important buildings back at the port city. You couldn’t help yourself, walking over to examine the stone. You at first thought it was a crystal of some kind, but despite the way it shined and the colors shifted, you saw that it was solid rock that did not have any translucency despite the way it captured the light.
You wondered what gave the rock its extreme Iridescence, and what qualities it had that made it so desirable as a material. You thought about breaking off a piece of rock, but decided not to as you stood “I really wanna have fun with these rocks, but…I should learn about them before I try anything.”
Humfrey raised a brow “why not examine it now? It’s just a rock.”
“And Weirwoods are just trees. We’re guests here Humfrey, in a land we don’t understand, that worships different gods and value different things. If we just stomp around thinking we know everything, we’re bound to do something stupid.” You said, walking past and being careful to avoid damaging or stepping on any of the rainbow stone.
Sadly, you failed to find any sign of either the legendary Dara or his students.
You returned to the port and found Asha and Sarella watching the hound as he sat in the shade and some Summer Island Women were attempting to speak or offer him drink, the man feeling uncomfortable and not saying much but doing his best not to over react.
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Asha popped a spiced date in her mouth, you smiling that she had started to develop a taste for them. “It’s like the man is allergic to kindness.”
Sarella chuckled, shaking her head as she leaned over the railing to look down at The Hound, her hips swaying and catching Humfrey’s gaze “I think he doesn’t trust it, or anyone, especially if they get close. Something happened in his past, something to make him hate the world and others, but…I do not think that is who he is. What must have happened?”
“He was the little brother of the Mountain,” you said, stepping over and standing next to Asha as Humfrey hesitated momentarily then wrapped his arm around Sarella’s waist, smiling at her warmly and she doing the same, though that cold distance remained. You continued “The Mountain, I do not know what cruelties he committed as a child, but I have heard nothing but horror stories concerning the Mountain that Rides and his lands. There is no proof, there never is…but what is unsaid and unseen says much.” You say, you voice grim as you spoke, everyone going silent “When he was a boy, his father claimed that his bedding caught fire and that was the origin of his burned face. “ you said, your friends spending a moment to stare at the grievous scar on his face and consider that story’s weight.
“Sandor used to have a sister, a father, and two good sisters before the current one. Now Gregor rules Clegane’s Keep, and the Hound never returns.” You said, the color and warmth of the Summer Isles bleeding away as all that was left unsaid settled in the air. You saw Sarella begin to shake, a glare sent into the void at a blood soaked giant in her nightmares. “My father keeps Sandor and the Mountain separated, and I’ve never wondered why. Had I a Brother such as the Mountain, perhaps I would prefer being called Kinslayer than Hound.”
You saw the Hound flinch away and grab the hand of a Summer Island woman whose face got too close to his face, the man’s eyes twisted in rage but it was met with the cool and calm expression of the woman who whispered something to him. The Hound’s face softened, then he let go of her hand and looked away, anger in his eyes and shame in his movements, the woman hiding her wrist that was already beginning to bruise you imagined.
Sarella stood up and turned, her face twisted with emotion as she sped away, Humfrey getting up and without hesitation following after her. You and Asha made sure not to watch, to let Sarella feel the pain she hated with her family awakened by seeing another victim.
You and Asha stayed for a few moments more, you staying silent as you watched the Summer Isle women gently coax the Hound from his seat, the woman whose wrist he had grabbed leading the way. You moved your hand and took Asha’s, squeezing it as you stood up “Come on, let’s get some drinks. Cleanse the Palate."
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Asha nodded, her gaze lingering on the massive dark haired man, before she turned to follow you. You hoped that you would both find some joy tonight, and though you did, the bitter taste of what the Hound’s life was never truly left even as you fell asleep in each Asha’s arms and she in hers.
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The second day you made sure to study the stones, asking various people their purpose or meaning or who may know. The common man gave you a story about how the stone came from the sky, how before the Titan Trees came to be the sky ripped open and the goddess of Love weeped golden tears as her children burned from the hellish light that came from the sky. The Goddess, seeking to protect her children, placed herself between the hateful sky and the Summer Isles. When the sky finally closed, the Goddess came to earth, hurt and weak and her back scorched to the bone.
For her sacrifice, her children divine and mortal came and cried over her wounds. Their tears mixed with hers, and healed the land, mixing with the melted rock and stone until it shimmered in the light and shined with every color gifted to the world. In order to help their great mother heal, they mined and broke the stones with their hands and constructed a temple around her, the great Temple of Love. After this display, all the gods bowed to the Mother and named her Queen love and Beauty.
You were shocked at the title, explaining that your people had a similar title, though you admitted that it was given by warriors who obtained ultimate victory in tournaments of valor and martial skill. They would choose a lady at the tourney, commonly choosing their own betrothed or wife but any lady could be named, and give them a wreath of flowers and sometimes precious metals or jewels to dedicate the victory to her.
You expected the Summer Islanders to find such a thing arrogant or insulting, to name a mortal woman the same as their goddess, but they found the idea both romantic and treated it with reverence, one elderly priestess saying that it spoke of a deep noble passion within the hearts of Westerosi. The priestess described it as a brutal and raw expression of love, that the martial and cold people of Westeros deep down still honored love and Beauty. You thanked the old woman for her kind words, politely declining a suggestion you partake of the priestesses or priests, blaming your Westerosi squeamishness, and earning a laugh.
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You of course went further, and sought out the educated, and found a half Reach half Summer islander woman, a woman who explained that she could not find freedom to pursue the education and knowledge she wanted and so sought it elsewhere. Zoso Zhoso was the daughter of a Maester, one that he had been ashamed of when she came searching for him and rejected her. “I understand the logic behind it,” she said, the home she invited you into filled with devices and tools for various sciences and purposes beyond you. She looked longingly at the two chain links hanging from your neck that you wore proudly “I hoped that I might earn my own links, to forge my own chain, then bring my knowledge here and do as Maester’s do, and help the land. Instead he shoved money in my hands and forbade me from ever returning to Oldtown, threatened to deny and denounce me if I stepped onto the citadel’s grounds. It all made sense even then, logical and reasoned. I never cried so much as that night as I sailed back home with nothing.”
She let out a sigh and shook away the sadness “But I apologize My Lord, you did not come here for a sad tale. I’ll be honest, I am happy to find someone also interested in Tear Stones.” She said, lifting and dropping a chunk of rainbow stone onto her counter “It is fascinating as a material, even beyond its aesthetics.”
You allowed her to change the subject, happy to speak to her on it “I can only imagine. It seems an important and favorable stone for many of the buildings around here, and I hear the entirety of the Temple of
Love is constructed of it? It must be a durable or strong stone to support such a thing.”
“Strong, certainly. Stronger than any stone you may find in Westeros. Durable however? Not quiet.” She said, taking a hammer and slamming it against the stone. The steel hammer cracked and she dropped the hammer, shaking the pain out of her hand. She then grabbed a flask of water, drinking it and sighing, before pouring it over the stone. Within a few seconds the colors began to run, the stone began to change shape, and the smell of citrus filled the air. You watched as the water melted the stone, then almost immediately the stone hardened, the water disappeared, and now there was a smooth surface where there had been a pool of water.
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You surged forward, astonished at the process “That was amazing! Such powerful stone, resistance to trauma, yet a little water did all this?” You said, Zoso smiling as she watched you examine the stone. You then shot up and looked at her “And the Temple of Love is made of this? How does it still stand?”
She let out an exasperated laugh “The priests will say it is because the stone is blessed, that divine stone built in such a way will weather all things. In actuality, I believe the original construction was done by mixing this stone with something, something adverse to water while the rainbow stone was a slurry. Rainbow stone used in other building’s construction comes from the temple of love, where they perform rituals to bless the stone. Such buildings have unbreaking foundations, and when used as load bearing stone they can support what should be impossible weights. I believe the priests of the temple have some recipe that makes the stone powerful.”
You considered this knowledge, looking at the stone and nodding “Excuse the westerosi in me, but could it be used to create a weapon or ammunition or anything?”
Zoso chuckled, nodding “Well I will excuse the Westerosi in you if you excuse it in me, but I have done research into that. The stone can withstand any impact pressed upon it, and will not shatter save for when you use water while mining it, and stones treated by the priests are unbreakable save by the priests themselves. So,” he’s said, before gesturing to another end of her study and leading you to where more stone was placed. There, you found what looked to be a maul, the rainbow stone shaped into a brutal hammer head that you were sure would crush a man’s skull. “I have been able to find a small brick, or relatively small, and have found that it can serve as a hammer. However, it cannot be made into a blade or a point, if it’s shaped too thin it becomes brittle, but if shaped as a solid mass it maintains its properties.” She said, then gestured to it “As a hammer, I think it’ll serve. If one can wield it. The stone is heavier than normal, I believe due to how dense it is. I believe smaller stones could be used to inflict greater damage than steel or iron weapons, if we can find a means of creating shaped stone else it will melt in the rain.”
You stepped over and tried to lift the hammer, and could not. You were not a weak man, but you knew that there would not be a day you could lift this hammer, let alone wield it in battle, not that you would. You considered it, then looked to her “Zoso, are you terribly attached to this hammer?”
“No, not particularly. It’s a little embarrassing really, that the furthest extent of my research is I tied a rock to a strong stick.” She said, letting out a disparaging laugh.
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“A rock on a stick a certain King may love.” You said, looking at her “Allow me to pay for the hammer and offer a little more funding for your research. I do not care much for the weapons, but the possibility of this as stone, or even mortar to hold a structure together, it could revolutionize construction. A road made of this, as mundane as it sounds, would change the face of the Westerlands. Though I doubt I could get so much stone.” You said with a smile, pulling out gold and handing it to Zoso “Learn what you can, study what you can, and I may be able to help you with future studies.” You said, placing the coin in her hands and shaking them “I believe in talent, in skills, and in effort. Keep working Zoso, I hope to see you one day have your own Maester’s chain.” You said, smiling and turning away as she looked at the gold and smiled with possibility shining in her eyes.
With this knowledge, you delved deeper into the Titan’s Wood. And you spared some of your water to take a bit of stone, careful to let it solidify before picking it up again. You then almost died when you tried to pick it up, a shaft over a meter long of solid wood with a slim spike of steel stabbing into the ground and almost taking your hand. You jumped back, then looked at the shaft. The wood was gold in color, fletched with a feather of some kind of local bird. You then looked behind you and saw the branch it had punched through, and the one behind that, and as your heart calmed you started to perform math.
Angle, speed, distance. You used the evidence provided, and set forward. As the sun began to set for the day, you climbed up onto a high rock nearly a mile away. There you found gourds that smelled of wine, a blanket spread across the ground, and marks carved into the stone to keep score. When you looked back in the direction of where you had tried to pick up the stone, and could not see how in the 7 hells he made that shot.
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On the third day, you left before the sun could rise. You ventured into the Titan’s woods while the night was still heavy. You did not wear your fine clothes, but ones that blended into the forest, and covered your blond hair and pale face. You moved, staying low, taking mud over pride or arrogance. You moved, and saw other men doing the same. On the previous days, you had not seen them, but now you knew that the forest was the site of some form of challenge.
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You channeled your experience sneaking through the rock or following Asha’s shadow, and spent the day moving through the Titan’s woods. You burned beneath the heat, the layers of clothing, and the paint on your face. You did not dare get close to the streams, did not dare get close to the easily accessible fruit. You did not disturb the animals, and you’re pretty sure you almost died of heat stroke, but eventually you climbed up the rock you had found before, and before you could even get to your feet, a blessedly cold towel slapped your face and nearly made you tumble off the rock.
“You are a poor hunter Andal Son.” Said a deep voice, you pulled the towel from your face after cleaning it off to see Sorralol Dara. He was tall, almost as tall or perhaps slightly taller than Sandor, but his muscles were different. He was longer of limb, especially his arms, and was decorated with Tattoos that acted as a sleeve covering both of his arms, flowers and dancing women that you thought were less made for beauty and more to honor a story that you had never heard. His hair was bound tight behind his head, tied in thick cords and decorated with flowers made of gems and precious medals. His face was without joy, tired, and flushed with drink as he stared out at the Titan Woods. “Watching you sneak your way to me has made me laugh more today than ten years past.” He said with a hollow chuckle, before standing up with a grunt and cursing in Summer Tongue. That’s when you saw his bow.
It was as tall as he was, and looked to be made of Goldenheart wood. He lifted his arrow, looking the same as the one he had fired before. He knocked it and then he began to pull. Muscles forged by his craft flexed, each like a steel cord that threatened to rip through his skin. He pulled back, further and further as his bow made the sound of something that should never have been bent by mortal hands. He pulled back until the four or five foot lon arrow was all the way back.
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Then He released, then there was a clap of thunder as wind blew from the departure, you turning to look and see a black spike sailing through the sky. “A little princeling, son of a man I struck down for poisoning his spear. He thought I would not see him this day, not if he hired others to dress as He and pretend to be him. His leg will heal.” Sorralol Dara said, before sitting back down “Or he’ll be a fool and claw his way through the woods trying to find me. If so he will die, and his son will curse my name.” He said, drinking from a new gourd “and so on and so forth. And while they chase their deaths, fools will chase glory they think I can provide them, instead of forging their own.” He said, all of it sounding less interesting than breathing to him. “Every day, I am paid to handle children and to not look upon their parents for their transgressions in battles I care nothing for. Until,” he said, gesturing to you “A golden haired Westerosi came stomping, and instead of running when shot upon, found my roost in a single day and missed me only by an hour. So, I felt I should see what the god of stars and circumstance has decided to gift me.” He said, looking over to you as you cooled your head with the towel “So tell me, Lion Child. What do you bring me?”
You crawled over and, finally taking a drink from your canteen, let out a sigh as you shed layers meant to hide you. “I had hoped for some praise at my dedication at least, I think I almost collapsed from the heat.”
“Dedication means nothing if you die, but if you like, I would have laughed had you collapsed. I’m sure someone may have dragged you back to Port. Or not.” He said with a shrug, making you unable to do anything but laugh. He looked to you, and you met his gaze as his smile got closer to his eyes “My laughing at your hardship is funny to you?”
“In a way, yes. You live up to what I know a legend to be.” You said, looking out over the Titan Wood’s “In my land, the man we call King is a legend. The Demon of The Trident, a name he gained while fighting for his throne upon a river.” You said, Dara turning to give you more attention. “They say that he was the Warrior made flesh, our god of battle and martial might dressed in black armor and wielding a hammer. They say he could make enemies into friends with ease, that he was unlike anything the Seven Kingdoms had ever seen.” You said, smiling as you remembered the Tournament at Lannisport, of your wedding day “I’ve met him, and I believe the stories.”
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“Because he lived up to them? Was he the great Warrior you heard of?” Dara said, sounding as if he was getting bored. His gaze stiffened when you answered.
“No, I believed them because no other man but a legend could look so close to death while he laughed and drank that much. He got the crown, he unified the kingdoms, he ended the reign of dragon kings, and now I think he rots on that throne he took. With a wife that drains all the joy he can find from every day, and who gives him no love or affection to help him get up every day to face it again and again.”
Dara’s face fell, as you saw that he heard a familiar echo to his story “Who is this wife of his, that cannot give what all people deserve and need?”
“My sister, whose presence I would not wish on my most hated enemies let alone my King.” You said, and shared a laugh with Dara at the expense of Cersei. After sometime, he offered you a drink and took it, finding it very fruity but having an alcoholic burn like no other. Coughing a bit, you handed it back then cleared your throat “You have my King’s eyes. Only you do not surround yourself with women and wine, because I think you are not so fettered as he is. So, I came here with an offer, how would you like to follow me into hell, face demons and monsters no man has lived to speak of, to claim treasure and glory no man has ever claimed, and do what dragons and their rider could not do?”
He spit out his drink and looked to you “You sail to Old Valyria? To the doom?”
“Straight and true. It is possible, it is worth the reward, and I have an uncle I love going there that I need to ensure comes home. So, I ask you, Sorralol Dara, would you care to sail into hell with me?”
Dara looked at you, then looked off to the Titan woods. He looked at the Summer Isles, the temples, the peoples, the entirety of his life. He then drank from his gourd one last time and then tossed it off his rock “Call me Dara only from now on, and I shall follow you. Your Westerosi tongue butchers my name.”
You let out a curse and sighed “I just cannot get it. Deal.” You said, holding out your arm and letting him take yours, a warrior’s agreement. “Now, should I make room on my ship for you?”
“No, I’ll gather up some of these fool princlings and have one of them provide me with a ship of my own. If I am to sail into hell, I will do it in luxury and not in your cramp Westerosi tub.”
“Ha, fair enough. I look forward to it Dara.”
“…”
“I’ll get it eventually I promise you.”
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The fourth and fifth day were spent gathering supplies and Sorralol Dara’s men, a group of promising sons and daughters who wished to live like their hero, the richest of which provided their personal swan ship The Expectant Lover.
As you prepared to finally sail to Volantis, you spent a few days with your brother Tyrion who admitted that coming to the Summer Isles was a trial handed to him by the Mother herself, admitting that it had taken everything within him to keep his old urges and habits. He instead spent the time drifting down rivers with Tysha as he played the lyre poorly, seeking sea shells on the rainbow sands, attending the risqué plays and theatre depicting summer isle legends and watching Tysha blush and bloom. “It was worth it brother, to see her so happy, to love her so openly, to spend every day worshiping her. And…the people at first saw me as a dwarf, but now they look at me…I don’t know, as if they respect my efforts. My actions. I…Thank you for taking me and Tysha from Lannispor.”
You smiled, sharing a drink with your brother as Sarella and Tysha spent time together and dragged Asha along. “Thank you for coming with me. To have you by my side, helping me with your wit and skill, and getting to see you happy. Knowing that no matter what happens, you’ll get to raise your child with Tysha as your wife makes this all worth it.” You said, then felt Tyrion grab your hand as he locked eyes with you.
“Come back Jason. I want my child to grow up hearing your stories, not my stories of you. Do not deprive my child of the world's best block builder.” He said, you spitting a small amount of ale in his face as retribution. “Ah, ass.”
“You earned that. But I do not plan to die, and I plan to live a long life and give you a niece, or nephews, or both to spoil rotten and teach to tumble and read.” You said, both of you sealing the plan with a clasp of hands.
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You set sail, the Iron Lion with the Swan Ship Expectant Lover staying close, forced to slow its pace to stay with Asha’s Cog much to her annoyance.
Sandor had to wish goodbye to the Summer Isles woman whose wrist he grabbed, the man tense and trying not to flinch as she caressed his face on the opposite side of his burn. He left and refused to say anything, but you saw that he came aboard with more things than he left with, and he stayed on the deck to watch the port go away before silently heading back down below deck.
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It took you a few more days, but eventually you came to the First Daughter, Old Volantis. The high Black Stone walls of the Eastern Volantis were first to be seen, their ancient construction drawing your imagination much like the similar stone found at the base of the Hightower in Oldtown.
Arriving, you were quick to do what was proper, and calling upon a Hathay, not feeling like calling upon a Palaquin due to the expense. Asha would have preferred to walk, and avoid the stuffiness of the Hathay, but you had to make it clear that if she tried to walk no one would respect her or yourself. So you and Asha, Sarella and Humfrey, Tyrion and Tysha, and Dara and a Summer Isles paramour he had picked up amongst his followers. This procession, plus your entourage of Summer Isle archers and a scary looking Hound, made you the talk of the port, at least for today.
But you did not care for that talk, you cared about talk concerning another Westerosi, another blond haired Noble who came with a ship and many men.
It took four days to find your uncle, and he had almost made a horrible choice.
He held his head while sitting in the Manse that you and Tyrion had managed to acquire with your combined funds as well as some clever gambling concerning Dara, The hound, and Asha for various events. “As much as I am angry you are here, thank the Seven you came. I…I had run out of all my options. They all abandoned me, called me crazy and scattered to wind. I tried to hire more men, but they all cursed my name or laughed in my face. I got your letter, but…Part of me hoped I could leave before you came and keep you from the doom.” You Uncle Gerion said, looking dejected as he enjoyed the comfort of Tyrion’s manse, Tysha walking over and offering a cool drink.
Gerion took the drink, paused and looked at Tysha “Who are you My Lady?”
“T-Tysha, Mi’lord…I-I am Tyrion’s wife.” She said, offering her best smile as her Small folk wording slipped through.
Gerion went wide eyed, then looked to Tyrion who smiled back. Then Uncle Gerion put in his most charming smile and took Tysha’s hands in his “Well, then I’m even happier you came to my rescue, to meet such a woman as you.” He placed a kiss on her hands, Tysha smiling and laughing as Gerion looked up at her “You are an angel sent by the Maiden herself, thank you for making my nephew a better man by your love.”
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>>6394239
You smiled, watching as Gerion changed gears so easily, showing his new Niece with love and welcome to the family. As he did, as he settled and accepted your presence, you began to think about your plan.
Your uncle had lost his entire crew, along with some of his funds when they jumped ship. He still had his ship thanks to the Dock Guards, he still had plenty of funds to fund this expedition that you managed to save from being spent on slaves, and you saved your Uncle’s honor from being tainted by the slavery in this city.
The Doom of Valyria stood ready, and now was the last chance you had to prepare before…well, you faced Doom.
>Try to dig up information that may be of use to you about Old Valyria, checking with Local Triarch’s and nobility. You do not expect much.
>Try to gather support for the expedition by playing on the rivalry between the Tigers and the Elephants, though you do not expect much
>Try and contract some sell swords to buff up the numbers of the expedition, hoping to get men of quality but you are not sure what you may get from those sell swords willing to go to Old Valyria
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
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>>6394240
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
I feel you are hinting at us to dip so we shall.
Also a nice update and pace of it. I updated every time you had posted more.
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>>6394240
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
Even if this wasn't 'hinted at', I'd rather not risk it.
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>>6394220
Fuckin Sandor kek
>>6394232
Rock friend! Hell yeah!
>>6394234
>we impressed a legend
>by using math
And people still sleep on Geometry. And he's pretty based.
>>6394240
Glad we found Gerion. And glad he gave us little snippets that he couldn't really get anything useful going. Seeking out anything about Old Valyria might be useful, if there weren't different conditions there today.
I'd say we'd benefit from spending at least a day getting our bearings, making final preparations and having everyone look into more recent history and tales about the smoking sea and Valyria. To get a more concrete idea about the dangers now that we're in Volantis who should have more accurate tellings and less folklore like they have in Westeros as separated as it is from the place. Forewarned is forearmed as they say. But otherwise it would be good to move fast. Before pirates, vultures, or seedy merchants come to try and relieve us or impugn us on the sea before we get into the dangerous waters.
To say nothing of maybe dear old dad having sent someone to retrieve us. Or spy on us.
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
The people of Volantis know not to go to Valyria. We will find little help worth having. And only derision at seeking aid. Or hostility.
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>>6394240
>>6394254
Oh right and I forgot, as an addendum, can we tell Sandor to watch out for Tyrion at least til we get back? Just long enough for Tyrion to get his own guards and trusted men. And because fire bad. We don't want to have Sandor have to deal with that shit, or have us deal with a Sandor that wants to leave because frankly he could kill half of us before we could stop him from trying to hijack the ship if he freaked out. Win win. As much as we'd all appreciate having Sandor's incredible strength and prowess hand.
Unless he already wasn't going to come along, which bypasses all that. Or he simply doesn't listen and comes along anyway. Hm.
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>>6394232
>“A rock on a stick a certain King may love.”
FUCK YEAH
We're not even at Valaryia yet, and we've already got an awesome (slightly supernatural?) gift for Robert. We'll need to make sure we leave it with Tyrion so that it doesn't get lost during the journey.
>>6394240
>Try and contract some sell swords to buff up the numbers of the expedition, hoping to get men of quality but you are not sure what you may get from those sell swords willing to go to Old Valyria
We're a Lannister. Our family sits on a mountain of gold. If money is what these people are after, then we can promise that in abundance.
We have our own funds with us right now. Tyrion will have probably earned some money by the time we get back to rest, and then there's the Casterly Rock Treasury that can repay them upon our heroic return to Westeros. Maybe also an offer of permanent employment under our family, or even grant them land.
The main question is whether or not we can trust them to not abandon us like Gerion's did. I'd say the best option in that case is to keep them away from most of the danger, and relegate them to just guarding the boats. Doing so frees up more of Dara's men to be available to venture with us into the deeper dangers.
Furthermore, since we have three boats, we can probably promise anyone who gets cold feet/second thoughts that they'll be able to leave on a resupply run, provided that they take someone we trust with them.
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>>6394240
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
Let's roll. Digging up info is the only option that MIGHT pan out, but honestly I expect the place is just too damn mysterious and too damn forgotten, I trust our link and our intuition. I'm impressed by Dara and I am glad to have saved Gerion. I bet slave mutiny was a likelier cause of his canon death than even making it to the Doom.
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>>6394263
I'm with this anon. If things go badly and Jason + Asha are the only survivors, I want to be able to bring Sandor into the uncertain future. I think Tyrion will be vulnerable and isolated here, and if he has a protector like Sandor, he'll be safe. Lastly, we know the island is covered with fire and smoke, and we aren't too dumb to realize Sandor has a dislike of it, so no good forcing him to wade through. It's the smartest play.
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You guys can rest assured that between guarding the dwarf and his wife in a well paid for, well provisioned manse and sailing into fire death land, he’ll tell you to fuck off and be ready to kill anyone who looks at Lady Tysha wrong.
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>>6394240
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
Give Sandor the option to stay behind with Tyrion. I'm sure he's in a pretty interesting headspace right now but I don't know how much we can push him and Valyria is gonna have a lot of fire.
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Also QM... Are tear stones canon or is that all off the dome?? That shit is super cool.
We could use it's shape-changing properties with molds of some kind to make projectiles for siege engines - turn a round boulder into one with spikes on it. Launch it, and because of its weight and hardness it could wedge into and fracture traditional stone walls. Then you launch barrels of water afterwards and watch the projectiles melt out and maybe cause the whole wall to come down, possibly melt and re-solidify in the middle of streets and walkways.
Would make fantastic broad heads for arrows, I'm sure, could probably punch through plate if fired by a guy like Dara.
Making a bunch of small, flat studs that are worked into some armor, even just boiled leather, would make for something pretty damn tough.
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>>6394285
It’s original. The Summer Isles has almost nothing on it, and I wanted to add something unique to a rather unique location in the world, while not giving them something crazy. So Tear Stone, a stone that is impossible to shatter but easy to break with water.
And some weird monopoly the temple has in the treated stone.
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>>6394240
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
>Send a letter to Jamie to tell him that we will bring be okay and start thinking on what to say when we make our victory tour
It would be a shame to just leave without saying something to our big bro. Fuck Cersei btw
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>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
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>>6394281
kek sounds about right
>>6394285
I was thinking using huge pointed rods of the stuff with giant spools of rope to use as a sort of gigantic awl that you could launch against walls to put holes and cracks into then drag back to fire them again. Since they'd be smooth they wouldn't embed in such a way they couldn't be pulled out. But you'd need some serious pulley and crank action to dislodge it from a wall. Iron ballista bolts would shatter or deflect from a wall if you tried this, and stones from catapults and trebuchets are harder to aim despite being more destructive. It strikes me as a strange potential middle ground. But I am also a big fan of silly ideas. Like a big rainbow rod with a long rope on it.
>>6394286
It is pretty dope. And flavorful. And I like how it's not just a "go and buy rocks from the islands" deal to trivialize it. We'd have to get it from their priests or figure out the method first. Which makes an actual investment in either of those worthwhile as a venture. It ties itself together really nicely.
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>>6394293
We don't want Tywin to know Tyrion is in Volantis, we shouldn't send a letter. Varys will figure it out eventually because Sandy and Tyrion are easily identified, but house Lannister in disarray and without an obvious heir is beneficial to his goals, so I am hoping he won't tip the old man off.
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Little known fact: native American political structures and cultural norms had a significant influence on early American colonists as they developed the principles and structure of what would become the U.S. government. The Boston Tea Party vandals cut their hair into mohawks to emulate Mohawk warriors. Leaving Europe, you can imagine that while there was often little love for the natives it would be quite a trip to see so many different communities with comparatively much more malleable and horizontal power structures, and a totally different notion of property rights (or even what constitutes 'property').
All that is to say that I think it could be genuinely good for the Westerlands for Jason to be taking such an interest in the Summer Isles. He already has an endearingly honest and basically altruistic approach to governance. I think getting exposed to the culture and politics of the Iron Islands after this, with the same level of earnest curiosity, and respect, will help to make him one of the most cosmopolitan nobles in Westeros.
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When we get back. We should tell Robert about the summer islands and convince him to go alone. I bet you when he comes back he'll be back to his prime. Imagine him going back to KL and he's a big mother worshipper because technically you could see her as the goddess of the summer islands. Divorces ceresi that ass because he got himself a harem from the summer islands. It'd be hilarious
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Dang, Twyin would have been so much happier if he'd married Jason to Margery.
He'd have had a daughter (in-law) who can actually scheme, and his son wouldn't have a "disgraceful" reputation.
Or if he had just been better to Asha, her ambition, goals, and blood relation to Theon could have aided Tywin as well.
All his misery is truly his own fault and hubris lol.
It's almost poetic.
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>>6394300
They're gonna have to list all of Jason's nicknames and epitaphs like they do for Settra the Imperishable, King of Kings, High King of Nehekhara, the Khemrikara, Lord of the Earth, Monarch of the Sky, Ruler of the Four Horizons, Mighty Lion of the Infinite Desert, Great Hawk of the Heavens, Majestic Emperor of the Shifting Sands, Eternal Sovereign of Khemri's Legions and so on and so forth.
>>6394315
Jason and Marge would probably be his second choice. His first being whichever lady he could bully and manipulate the most into furthering the reach of house Lannister, of course. But breeding in the sheer wits of the Tyrell ladies is welcome.
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>>6394293
>>6394299
You're right, specially with basically doxxing Tyrion by sending that letter, better if we keep people in the dark and show up like heroes
And now, to another matter that I just realized: Are we going to take the place of Tyrion and be the Hand of the King when Joffrey takes the throne?
Maybe Tyrion will play his own little intrigue games to support us in Volantis, and he's in the ass of the World for Tywin to drag just to act as a babysitter while, at that point, surely Tyrion would be a local powerhouse by being a merchant and having his own spies, maybe making a whole net to us, just like Varys does.
Do you think Jason (now a seasoned lad from Valyria) would be able to straight Joffrey a little? Or to make Joffrey respect him? or maybe act out of fear after seeing his almost-but-not-entirely pirate Uncle walking up to him when he acts like a little shit?
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>>6394240
This rocks are certainly interesting. Same for that rock hammer, too bad it can be only used by strong people.
I like this Zoso. Retinue material.
So 3 ships, but Uncle Gerion lost his full crew. If we go now what we do with the third ship ? I assume sell it, so Tyrion gets even more cash to use. We cannot go around with it, not without a crew for it at least. And keeping it there in port without anyone watching it... yeah no Tyrion should sell it.
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
>Write-in
>Have Tyrion sell Uncle Gerion ship, for get additional wealth to use for his plans in Volantis
I didn't really feel too confident about this from the idea of the expedition, but with Gerion having lost his full crew and us leaving Sandor behind, not having someone else to fit his role is an issue. But the wording on merc recruitment doesn't inspire me anymore. Too bad, i had a few hopes for get more soldiers or a capable warrior. If nothing else we can fully claim leadership on the expedition over our Uncle, since its just his ass left. Jason now fully calls the shots for where we go in Valyria.
Two ships is less than three, so we will unfortunately have to bring less with us home.
>>6394254
If we "strike while the Iron is hot", we should just go. Beside some sleep/rest, buying some supplies without getting noticed (which we should be full but doesn't hurt) and a few hours for talk with Tyrion we should go. The option is clear. I assume Jason talked what he knew of the dangers of Valryia during sea travel to Volantis too. Also in the option to dig up information, Jason doesn't expect much.
>>6394289
No we cannot send a letter, too risky.
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>>6394323
>And now, to another matter that I just realized: Are we going to take the place of Tyrion and be the Hand of the King when Joffrey takes the throne?
Hmmm
I think it is safe to assume that Joffrey will take the throne - idt Jason will realize Robert is in danger until it's too late, we may not even be near King's Landing anyways.
Tyrion was stuck with the job because he is undeniably clever, and Tywin can control him, and in fact giving him the task was partially in order to control him. We aren't as smart and are a lot more unruly in a different way.
I am imagining a nightmare scenario where Baelish is made Hand instead. Kevan might, or even Gerion if he survives.
If it does fall to Jason, I think he would cringe and shrug his way through plenty of the snot's nonsense, laugh shit off and keep trucking. But when Joffrey inevitably talks shit on Asha, I don't think Jason would be patient with that. Asha might challenge him to a duel and scar him. I can imagine him talking shit on Dara, too.
Joffery might respect us more than he does Jaime and certainly more than Tyrion or his mother, because of our accomplishments.
A deciding factor here is how Jason responds to Ned's revelation about Joffrey's parentage, whether he learns it from Ned himself or Stannis' declaration to the world. Do we side with Tywin and our family even though we know they are guilty and illegitimate as hell? And Joffrey is evil as fuck?? If we do so publicly, we could be Hand and try to topple the house of cards from inside. Maybe we reject them and pick an outsider - Danny beginning to seem most likely with our proclivities, but Stannis is an option, potentially, idk, God knows we can change our minds later too. Davos, Brienne, Tyrion, Olenna, and the Hound are all perfect examples of how that can happen as different contenders bite the dust. If we do that, we won't be the Hand and neither will Tyrion. No Tyrion OR us means Stannis probably succeeds in taking the Red Keep and Tywin has to retreat. Cersei kills herself. Lots of possibilities with all these butterflies flapping.
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>>6394336
Part of having Tyrion in Volantis is to have a staging area for this expedition. We might prod at the outer islands for a couple of months and then come back to port here, at which point having a third, intact ship could be a huge help. It'll also allow Tyrion to immediately begin his business ventures.
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>>6394336
I am confident in Tyrion being able to use it that way, i will not change my vote. Any coin Tyrion has is one he can use here, for protection and investments. Right now a third ship is an hindrance and cost. Sitting in the port, is not done for free.
Also, i dont want it connected to Tyrion, so Varys/Tywin spies have to put a bit more effort for find him. Uncle Gerion, will prefer Tyrion to be alive and well.
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>>6394340
Yeah, even though I think having a third ship could be useful for us... There is no reason we can't sell Gerion's ship and replace it with a slightly cheaper one of a similar make. Same benefits of helping his enterprise and giving us a 'spare' without it being easily identified by spies.
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>>6394323
Tywin tolerated Joffery's BS because ultimately he wanted a grandchild on the Iron Throne more than anything. Despite how many problems that Joffery caused, Tywin still had his back.
Jason doesn't care about the Iron Throne. So if Jason refused to put up with Joffery's BS, the little shit would either have to accept it, or he'd have to make an enemy of the ONE faction that is propping him up.
Tywin would get pissed at both of them for causing infighting within the family, but he wouldn't tolerate anyone killing each other.
If Joffery still tries to cut off Jason's head, Tywin has a weapon that can supersede the political authority that Joffery has: debt.
The crown is massively in financial debt to the Lannisters. So Joffery "Baratheon" would have to do as Tywin says. Military might isn't even needed when Grandpa can say "No money means no food. Have fun starving in King's Landing".
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>>6394339
The problem with that is that we still have a third ship we cannot use. We also have no easy way to recover from losses of crew (its clear we will not recruit in Volantis now. So how we will do it especially if we dont want Varys or Tywin bothering us).
If we plan to go 2 ships only, we can leave the more damaged ship here repairing and we go back in Valyria with Uncle Gerion ship. But i still prefer to not have it associated with Tyrion ass.
Something we haven't discussed is how much we want to go in and out of Valyria. I am not sure how feasible is to do multiple trips, already a single one on his own is extremely dangerous. And it might last long not just for our own decisions but also for possible problems slowing coming up.
>>6394343
Yep. Its more difficult to find a dwarf Lannister in a great city, than a red and gold Lannister ship sitting in a port. We should be able to get other ships without much issue.
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>>6394340
>>6394343
Rather than sell it, we could let Tyrion keep it and then use it for shipping purposes in order to make money.
Nobody is willing to join an expedition to The Doom, but that doesn't mean there aren't sailors who'd be willing to work on a merchant ship that sails goods back and forth between Lys and Volantis.
In which case, it'd let us keep a third ship handy in case of trouble.
Hell, we could even make a rescue/back up plan for Tyrion to enact. Something like: "If we haven't made it back within four years, send a crew to a rescue point halfway between here and Valyria. If we've lost both of our ships, then at least we won't have to walk all the way home".
Or instead of that, maybe we do something similar, but as a resupply delivery. We spend two years deep in The Doom, then head to a rendezvous spot to receive a relief package of food, medicine, and any surviving wounded can be taken home.
Actually, now that I think about it...
I'd like to vote for Jason to also take the time to gather all the crew of the expedition at the Manse. We'll write down everyone's names and what they want to be remembered for. If we leave the book with Tyrion, then history won't just forget the names of those who don't come back. We'll be able to commission statues of them or Jason can name things that he builds after them.
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>>6394351
To be fair, if we sell it, that doesn't mean it will leave Volantis - and if it does, it may end up where someone might ask where it came from. So either way this problem might just not be solved. Maybe we talk Dara into leaving the swan ship here and we take both Lions?
We also don't know that we don't have enough people on Dara's ship to crew a third vessel. The cog only needs a few of us, it seems. If Dara brought enough spare followers to run it, I think we should just hit the shore with a third ship.
QM at some point could you clarify exact numbers for us? I am assuming anyone with Dara is able to fight AND sail.
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Guys we should just tell tywin that tyrion just died. Say he went with us to valryia and died on the way by a disease he got from a hooker or something. Honestly Jason doesn't even need to be a kin slayer or anything just get donas crew to kidnap and bring tywin to doran. And the mountain too but we can do that later on by drugging the guy first. Like the thing here is that tywin 100% doesn't even have a thought of somebody of his line betraying him no matter how shit they are. We can use that AND out knowledge of the tunnels to kidnap him and drag him to the ships before anybody knows. And literally the only person who'd suspect we'd do it would be ceresi. And she's already a bitch so it doesn't matter
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>>6394355
Valyria is only a handful of days away. Closer than the Summer Isles were by far. We should only be gone, optimally, for a couple weeks up to a month. If we've been gone for four years we're gonna be either lost on some far off continent for some arcane and godsforsaken reason, or dead kek. Or captured by slavers or something. The thing about Valyria isn't that it's hard to get to, it's right there in fact, it's just the single deadliest place on the entire planet thus known.
>getting people's last wishes/legacies
While that is pretty touching, it's also extremely dour. And sailors especially are very superstitious. We could definitely take all their names though.
>>6394356
Cogs probably are better suited to the waters of the smoking sea, but the swan ship is more nimble and faster, albeit under ideal conditions. Dara might elect to use the swan ship anyway just because of familiarity reasons.
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>>6394369
>We should only be gone, optimally, for a couple weeks up to a month.
Even though we are close to Volantis, Valyria is a pretty huge place, with extremely hostile terrain and even more hostile wildlife. Exploring the waters between the 'islands' of what hasn't crumbled into the sea could take months on its own. Exploring the as of yet basically unmapped landmasses themselves could take longer. Another good reason to bring a third vessel, if we have the manpower for it, is more room to store drinkable water and food so we can press on deeper into the ruins, for longer periods of time.
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For reference, with some of us wearing armor and all of us carrying some supplies and weapons, needing to manage certain logistics, I'd say we can expect a pace of hiking about ten to fifteen miles a day at most, and needing to double back to resupply every so many days - idk how big our full group will be but we can only carry so much food and water, and it'll be difficult or impossible to come by. We could find a single tower or bailey that takes the better part of a week to fully explore. I hope it doesn't take four whole years, that would probably suggest serious disaster, but I think I'm expecting this to take the better part of a year, or even up to two if some shit goes down.
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>>6394378
>t. Backpacker that spent a whole week in da mountains
>t. Someone that has walked as part of my job before and in a level city with sidewalks and few interruptions at an even pace, carrying no supplies/pack, the farthest I covered was 19 miles
>t. I am interested in logistics
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>>6394372
That is why I said "optimally" kek. In a perfect world, we sail into one of the ruined port cities, walk straight along a somehow intact dragon road into Valyria proper, find Tommen's bones still holding Brightroar standing straight up, turn around and leave. We're probably going to take a significant amount of time just trying to find somewhere to make landfall that won't get us accosted by strange things and hostile creatures. We also shouldn't be gone for more than a couple months at a time, for supply reasons. I am not willing to eat or drink a single fucking thing from that cursed land. So we're hard locked by how much supply we can reliably carry as far as I am concerned.
>>6394378
At first I was thinking finding a vantage point would be good, but then I remembered all the smoke and gases so it would probably be less useful for scouting. Obviously a tower that is still standing is bound to have something in it. Even if it might just be like a charred and blackened metal serving tray or something. Though one must also question the integrity of any remaining structures.
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>>6394240
>Try and contract some sell swords to buff up the numbers of the expedition, hoping to get men of quality but you are not sure what you may get from those sell swords willing to go to Old Valyria
Need more people for the third ship.
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>>6394392
>Can we eat dragon?
Something tells me that is a bad idea.
>either the small monkey sized dragon swarms here or the big swamp flightless dragons
I think you're thinking ofa breed of wyvern, for the monkey-sized ones. Those ones are in Sothoryos I believe. I don't recall any big swamp wyrms off the top of my head, just a different kind of crawling wyrms. Which if we come into contact with are probably better avoided than engaged. Trying not to be too specific on some of the critters that might reside in Valyria that I am aware of. Which granted isn't many, but it would be lame to do.
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>>6394240
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
>Write in
>Ask our lady wife if there are any rites one could perform to ask the drowned god for good fortune on the sea
Also, what a fuckin incredible update. better than the stuff I write here
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>>6394392
Pretty sure both of those are in the southern continent full of plagues, huge dinos/other big fuck off animals and evil gods apparently. Only place comparable to just how shitty Valaryia is really despite being an entire continent.
>>6394372
Old maps still sorta work in terms of landmarks. It's just a lot of shit sunk underwater and got wrecked by earthquakes. Its not like Valaryia is unmapped its just the maps there are Pre Doom Valaryia.
Which is very helpful to help identify the initial fuck off locations like the slave pits, mines, and hopefully wherever all magic hubs are marked.
>>6394356
It's not worth crippling the towership full of archers. Archers we desperately need to hopefully kill whatever god awful abomination, demon, or monster shows up that tries to kill us before it can touch us that can apparently beat the shit out of dragons to the point of extinction.
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>>6394399
I know but sothyos is the closest thing I can imagine to what the ecology of valyaria looks like you know?. You need to think on what could survive a place filled with genetic magical monstrosities with magical plagues. This isn't just an apocalyptic shithole its a apocalyptic shithole filled with magic so potent it killed everybody close to it. This is why I wanted to generally keep a small and elite crew instead of a big and strong one. Think about it more people means more interactions with the place. And that's bad. With that out the way first things first we should perform rituals to hopefully make us not die instantly when landing.
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>>6394378
>>6394380
Okay well that's actually some really good news for us.
Using the map you posted, I quickly sketched some estimates in pic related. The red lines are roughly 75 miles, and the purple dots at the halfway of those red lines represents 37 miles.
If we utilize the coast, then most of the time we'd be able to reach anywhere we like in 40ish miles or less. The only place that would take longer to reach would be the literal center heart of Valyria.
The EXTREME danger will be the monsters, magic, and the region itself. But on the very small bright side, it seems like at least we'll always be (relatively) close to the boats. Only like two to three days away. In some cases, if it means life or death for our people, then it might be a viable strategy to just drop everything heavy and marathon sprint back to the boats if we are getting chased by something.
Oh, and to clarify: there's nothing particular about where I placed the red lines. They're just for demonstration purposes to give a rough idea of distances.
>>6394392
Do not eat ANYTHING from this place. That is probably one of the worst ideas possible. Hell, even the fish in the surrounding sea are probably fucking horribly cursed/infested with parasites.
>>6394399
>demon
Yeah, these are probably the scariest things. At least a dragon can be stabbed to death. But if there's shit like the shadowbaby that stabbed Renly in the TV show? That's kinda uh... hard to just kill. Jason should try to get a lot of holy water from the churches in Volantis. Maybe stockpile torches and salt? I bet wildfire would work, but no way in hell would you want to bring that shit with.
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>>6394404
Best bet would be praying to the Valaryian Gods since they are the ones who got so ass mad that they completely wiped them off the face of the planet. I do agree on the need for a small elite crew of men. We are going up against shit that survived the Doom, wiped out the dragons, and even sent a fucking monster like Balerion fleeing for its life after beating the shit out of it when it tried returning home. So we can safely assume there are flying monsters capable of taking on dragons midair. Also, why need to detect and avoid any concentrations of magical blood plague there, which, according to lore is the worst plague and curse lurking within. Luckily, it is also rather predictable in its predations like Greyscale. Avoid high concentrations of blood magick but the Valaryians LOVE their goddamn blood magick. Other curses are harder we know there are fire and earth curses related to the buildings, mines, and volcanoes. Some kind of backlash from the Valaryians when they were trying to control the volcanoes and digging too deep and greedily in their mines. The earth and fire curses at least aren't ACTIVELY hostile more of an environmental hazard than anything. There is also the divine curses sweeping the entire zone which not much is known about besides SMITING by Valaryian Gods for all the atrocities committed by their worshippers and them talking shit about the Gods.
>>6394406
There is a list about all the stuff we should have stocked up on before leaving Old Town, specifically meant to counter that stuff. Hopefully we did because its only of the only places that would have obscure enough items thanks to the Maesters that could likely save our asses from that sorta magical bullshit like demons.
I think we had a hard time finding Dragonglass, right?
According to the lore, there ARE demons walking around in Valaryia. Only place with any confirmed sightings until the Others showed up. Also all those chimera and blood magick abominations. Not to mention whatever fucked up shit the Doom would have created.
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>>6394402
I can think of worse reasons to die. But yes, let us hope he can utilize his skillset to the fullest so he DOESN'T get got by some fucking bullshit from the incest capital of the world.
>>6394406
Allegedly, cold iron can harm and kill demons. Of course, with how vague the term demon tends to be used, sometimes just hitting it really fucking hard with a rock works, too.
>>6394407
It isn't that whatever is on Valyria now survived the doom. But whatever is on Valyria right now instead is surviving in a land of curses, fire, disease, and whatever ungodly horrors might have survived the doom. A potential entire ecosystem of What The Fuck. Also, fuck it, maybe there's goddamn polonium dust in the smoke that constantly erupts everywhere, how much worse could it be?
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>>6394408
Allegedly they are also vulnerable to dragonsteel/glass as well. Hence why anons tried to stock up on it Old Town. Basically anything that could hurt/slay a demon. As normal weaponry tends not to work on those things.
There is no real recent news on what there is currently merely what has been sighted before by the few survivors from any expeditions or got dragged there from a storm. Nobody really survived long enough to get a good luck at Valaryia otherwise there would be a successful expedition instead of all failures. There is no clue what kind of ecosystem exists there now, besides what has been seen lurking there before.
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>>6394406
Nice, I like what you did with the map. I think, considering the inclines, rocks, fire, and beasts, we will probably be booking like 6-7 miles generally, with a 'Bad Day' being like 1 or 2, and a 'good Day' absolutely topping out at a very peaceful 15. We also need to have enough food and water on our persons so that we have enough for our trips in AND retracing our steps. So if we hike for 4 days and cover a very generous 10 miles a day, penetrating to a distance of 40 miles, we need to be carrying enough provisions for 9 days, so we can return to the ships and have just a bit extra in case there is a disaster or accident that delays us by a day or two. We will need to be bringing supplies that allow us to penetrate into the interior, establish a base camp of some kind, retreat, return with more supplies to store there, retreat, and then hike in again, resupply at base, and then penetrate further. The logistics of this means it could take a couple of weeks of time and food to ATTEMPT to get at the deeper areas. We are gonna need a lot of shit.
Another reason for a third ship....
But maybe I'm being an autist, I suppose I'm thinking in terms of the bleak realism that Martin seems to like underscoring his rather grim take on epic low fantasy tales.
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>>6394413
Good news is, if we DO find Bloodroar, it probably works on demons and shit, too. Magic swords and all. Ladies in lakes handing em out and all.
>>6394425
Nah man, spit your shit. Sperg out. Even if it doesn't apply 1 to 1 it can still be useful as a framework for general journey difficulty and planning.
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>>6394407
>There is a list about all the stuff we should have stocked up on before leaving Old Town, specifically meant to counter that stuff.
>I think we had a hard time finding Dragonglass, right?
>>6394413
>Allegedly they are also vulnerable to dragonsteel/glass as well. Hence why anons tried to stock up on it Old Town.
Checked the whole thread by term, couldn't find anything about a list of anything in Oldtown like that, and don't remember it, so I'm not sure I follow. I checked every mention of ''obsidian', dragon', or 'dragonglass', and it looks like only two anons said anything about grabbing some in Oldtown, just one post about it each. Jason didn't do so in game, so didn't have trouble finding dragonglass but didn't have success either.
I do think it'd be good to have, and I imagine that because of how it is made, we will find big deposits of the stuff sooner rather than later, and blessedly Jason will likely be able to recognize it and maybe it's applications for self defense, too.
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>>6394413
>>6394429
I somehow doubt it. Simply because they're gonna be fire-based so they'll be strong against fire and fire-aspected stuff (dragonglass and valyrian steel). If we brought an Other's sword it'd probably either shatter on contact or BTFO them and no inbetween because ice is like the opposite of fire. If we brought proper water magic stuff then it'd REALLY mess them up.
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>>6394240
>>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
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>>6394239
>Strike while the Iron is hot and before word spread about your expedition, setting sail to Old Valyria with who you have now. With two ships and your crew, you have a sizable fighting force of invested individuals.
Lets strike the Doom before we lose our momentum.
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Striking while the iron is hot wins.
Thanks for the math and map stuff guys that’ll help my writing.
As for magic supplies, I imagine Jason brought some stuff he could gather or was given to him by Marwyn or The Mad Maiden of Hightower.
And it’snake o looking like people would prefer to go in with three ships? Correct?
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>>6394406
>At least a dragon can be stabbed to death
If you have enough weapons for it. The fuckers still take time and a lot of wounds to go down against large groups of humans in melee (see the crowds of Kings Landing kill the chained dragons of the Targs at the end of the Dance of Dragons. And the dragons where chained in place).
You know something i forgot ? We could have really used a naval ballista on our ship against monsters. That weapon is the real humans Vs valyrian monster equalizer, has seen by the dornish use.
Jason has some throwing spears so is not too bad, those can hurt a lot. We still have Dara with his bow, could try and loose arrows for monsters eyes or when they open their mouths. Might be killing blows with enough luck since he is truly skilled, even if we are up against all kind of monsters that are hardly dumb and that will move quite fast too probably.
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>>6394473
Three, but only if Tyrion will be able to send a rescue or resupply ship to a rendezvous point (probably Oros?) within the next six months.
If hiring a one-time ship/crew to do a single check-in by that point isn't feasible, then Tyrion should keep one of the boats.
Pic related is for both the QM and for other anons to give feedback on.
Oros is at least a safe harbor. It's also a place that can be reached via land rather than needing to sail the Smoking Sea, so maybe that's an alternative in case sailors are way too scared; Tyrion sends a caravan instead of a resupply boat.
On the other hand, EVAC location #2 is a place that can actually be reached by the expedition in case things go horribly wrong, whereas Oros would require us to still have a fully functional ship. The other (tiny) benefit is that although it's still part of Valyria, it's at least on the very edge, aka as far as you can possibly get from the horrible shit at the center.
Fingers crossed that that's enough to calm the nerves of a rescue crew. An actual expedition might be too crazy for people, but a mere "get in & get out" rescue mission at the safest point might not be as suicidal.
Maybe we use both locations? If we aren't there for the resupply, then it's panic stations and a rescue mission is launched? If we aren't at the pick up spot by a certain date, then they head home and declare us dead.
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>>6394487
I dont remember the land south of the demon road being safe.
I would say we use the locations we can find and check with our eyes, has good enough spots to use. And i wouldn't never count on any place being a safe harbor, until we are there. Never know if a surprise moved in while we weren't there.
The maps of Valryia shouldn't be fully trusted for finding places to disembark, all of them are ancient. The land changes through time and no one in their right mind would make new and updated maps of hell-land. We will have to make our own map as we explore.
In regard to resupplying from other ships, tall ask and we would need to instruct first said ships where to go. On top of that those ships need to navigate well which is hardly easy. Will need good crews and captains, brave too.
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Honestly, not speaking of the supernatural dangers our biggest problem will be the boats that we will be doing this expedition in. Both Cogs and the Swan Ship have a large section under the waterline owing to their bottom heavy design.
The waters we will be sailing in all previously used to be land, and are covered in a constant fog or steam that severely reduce visibility. We will have to have lookouts on every corner of the ship, and a person on the top of the mast to tell us where to go.
In my own experience on the sea, even with modern instruments you can accidentally beach yourself or damage the underside of the boat unless you are very careful around shallow waters, and as we are basically charting unknown seas the biggest threat to our expedition is ripping the underside of the boat on some jagged rock hidden by steam or hidden just underneath the water.
That's why Ironborn longships, despite being not too defensible might fair a bit better when exploring, but since we don't have that option we need to basically move at a snails pace through the waters to minimise the damage. It might be good to get a smaller ship with a very small portion in the waterline to scout ahead for us.
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There is word that Oros has people living there and is actively settled, though unknown if by descendents of the original inhabitants or not. Also rumors tend towards the Malign with the people there. It seems the water way between Oros and Valyria is natural or is connected to one that existed since it was a puppet state controlled by Valyria nobles who sailed over.
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>>6394535
With how little lore there is on Valyria and even less on it after the Doom, I am really interested in your interpretation of those lands. Truly, Jason has the courage of a lion and balls of iron to attempt this.
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>>6394487
To be fair, the land of long summer is basically valyria in miniature. The worst of the curses and horrors don't stalk the place but it's still a bleak place full of disease and twisted animals the want to kill you. With weather that beats the shit out of you and alternates between trying to drown you and trying to cook you. The isle of cedars has a similar thing going to it, but way less severe. Still a cursed island, still has fucky weather, still ahs some weird shit going on with some plants but it at least has normal animals on it.
You can imagine it as a difficulty scale, if Essos is easy mode, the isle of cedars would be normal, the land of long summer is hard, and Valyria is a challenge run on ironman with your QoL features removed at nightmare difficulty, also there would be a midget behind you hitting you with a cattle prod at random. Normal people look at people who want to do Valyria like we would look at someone who decided to play call of duty with an electrode stimulator placed on their nuts that delivers a shock every time they take damage. It's fucking stupid, or crazy.
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>>6394499
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>>6394599
Oh. Oh I did NOT know that the Lands of the Long Summer were like that.
I thought the horrible shit was mostly contained to Valyria.
Okay so using caravan instead of a resupply ship is off the table.
Still, I guess everything else about the Evac Locations remains the same?
It's just that imo, it's the only way that we could successfully survive Valyria whilst still sounding believable and not a Mary Sue. Things WILL go wrong, and even if Jason isn't smart enough to plan for that, Tyrion would.
There's also the moral boost of our men knowing that in case things go horribly wrong, that help will be on the way to rescue them if we don't return by a deadline.
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>>6394646
I think the people we have with us are the only people willing to enter Valyria, basically. We COULD spend a year or two scouring Westeros for more people willing to do so, but we definitely wouldn't find them in Volantis. Gerion's own soldiers and servants bailed on him, we can't even just use Lannister troops.
All that to say, if we try to get people to agree to come in after us if we don't return after a certain time, they will probably flake at best, and steal the ship and fuck off at worst. I think we're on our own. We can rely on having three ships to carry as much stuff as possible, but even just planning on returning to Volantis to restock supplies more than once feels like a stretch. It's basically Russian roulette. If we sail into Valyria, stay there for a few months, and then sail out... Not only will most of the small group we have with us already refuse to risk it a second time, but I would be surprised if Jason himself wanted to go back in. With three ships and enough people to man them, assuming we can circle to the edges and catch fish, and find a source of fresh water, I think we could reasonably be able to stay in Valyria for the better part of a year (assuming nothing kills us in that time). It seems to me a little like deep sea diving or doing a space walk, though, it requires SO much infrastructure to sustain because the environment itself is so lacking in the basic necessities for life. It isn't like being some old world explorer checking out Africa or the Amazon for the first time, where there may be plenty of dangerous animals (or people), and misidentifying plants could get you poisoned or something. It's possible some of these islands have zero edible plant life and zero potable water. Even still, hard to imagine taking an astronaut, cutting their tether in the vacuum of space... Then they get back to the vessel and land back on Earth, and inexplicably say they wanna do it again, cut tether and all. That's my thinking, anyways, I readily admit I may be looking at this the wrong way.
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>>6394646
>I thought the horrible shit was mostly contained to Valyria.
That's the neat part, it is.
The only issue I see with having rendezvous points is that inevitably we'd need ships to get to them unless we were already on those islands. Because ain't no damn way we're swimming in the smoking sea even a foot, let alone several miles to get between islands. Our ships are absolutely the only way we're getting out. And while we could potentially travel the dragon roads through the long summer it would be a bastard of a trip and probably give us some nasty bugs along the way. It's not an impossible journey it's just one that people don't take because there's no reason to and it's dangerous.
In my eyes if we lose all our ships, it's game over. If our ships are damaged to such a degree that they cannot make a decent voyage out, going up through Oros or just the shores along the north of the smoking sea and then up to either Mantarys or a longer trip back towards Volantis is the absolute emergency button. Oros itself will offer no succor and only more danger owing to it being another one of the Valyrian cities caught up by the Doom, albeit in the very edge of it and probably half intact instead of mostly ashes.
We really are kind of on our own once we leave. Since even going to the edge of one of the islands on the far end of the smoking sea would be a "No" from most in Volantis.
>>6394663
I ain't eatin' the fish in the smoking sea. Not a one. Hell nah. And I wouldn't trust the water neither. Them fuckin Valyrians got hit with like a dozen curses at the same time from multiple different pantheons, at least one of which was a water goddess. I'd rather die of thirst.
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>>6394646
No issue.
Some stuff isn't explained properly. I know there is an additional book that is an encyclopedia of ASOIAF, for example, but I didn't know it existed until I saw it with my eyes. Here is an image I found that shows the "damage," so to speak, to the entire region (Peninsula/Islands). It's kind of cool looking.
Anyway, for the known ancient ruined settlements of Valyria, I have found some info online :
- Valyria (Valyria capital. These dragon fuckers are not original), true hell and ruins, it's just rumors of horrors, demons, etc.... The only other place close to it in true hell level might be Stygai, near Asshai. Or Stygai might be a shit step down. Or two. Really bad.
- Oros, it seems in ruins for the most part; there are also rumors of monsters. And also rumors of people being there, not in something organized and civilized. Rumors of people being there, that's it. And also rumors of descendants of the Valyrians? I am not sure this place is safe. Or there are humans here. Maybe the people here are "humans" (mutated and cursed humans)?
- Velos, the city was submerged in a huge tidal wave during the doom. Fun
- Tyria, probably similar to Valyria City conditions, just not at the center of it all
- Draconys, Rhyos, Aqous Dhaen (No one knows their position, or at least where I have copied this info), these are other cities of Valyria. We can assume their end was a mix of Velos and Valyria (city). So hell, ruins, and underwater.
Known settlements that survived in Valyria (Part of the Peninsula/Islands that avoided most of the Doom effects) :
- Tolos, a port city*
- Elyria, an island city**
- Mantarys, it has a bad reputation, plus rumors of monsters and other ominous stuff. It's the nearest human city to the land of long summer.
*I don't remember a lot of this two. Probably no great rumors. These three settlements and Volantis are actual places where we can resupply or go back to if we need to do so. And they are also human.
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>>6394666
>In my eyes if we lose all our ships, it's game over.
>we'd need ships to get to them unless we were already on those islands.
My idea is that, worst case scenario, if all the ships are wrecked but not completely burned/destroyed, then we could try to salvage them by strapping together a raft. The shortest distance between the main island and the westernmost one is only like... 10 to 15 miles?
It'd be miserable and very dangerous, but rowing a raft across that narrow channel sounds somewhat possible if we needed to reach that rescue location.
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>>6394679
I like those maps. Especially since Ulthos is all purple and shit because they do indeed have trees with black bark and purple leaves for whatever reason and that makes me giggle.
>>6394680
That would be a plan, if the ships were damaged but not sunk. But it still hinges on getting more people to sail into the smoking sea and toward Valyria. Which I would not bank on. If our ships are busted up so badly we can't sail out on them, our only real hope is getting back onto mainland Essos somehow and heading north on foot while braving the long summer. Absolute worst case scenario that still has us alive at least. When it comes to survival it is better to be proactive than passive. Sitting around waiting for rescue on hell island jr is just as likely to get us killed as trying to cross the big smokey and walking the boggy sulfer death plains. So at that point fuck it just go for it, you know?
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>>6394687
They are pretty cool.
>>6394666
Honestly, I think Oros... might be a very good place to try and gun for the expedition, really (we have no idea where the old Lannisters 'ship wrecks are, so no idea of Brightroar's location anyway). As in try and loot it.
The enemies we will find in Oros might be easier to kill than anything down south. And it remains a ruined settlement of Valyria, and riches are definitely here. It was still touched by the Doom, so there are probably a few no-no monsters and demons to avoid.
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>>6394692
Oros is definitely an option. One of the two I had in mind. But Tommen back in the day probably wouldn't have gone there if he was going to Valyria for things. He'd have probably sailed for the main island like most treasure seekers probably have as well. It's easy to forget the outlying colonies and places when the heart of it is what everyone thinks of when they say the name. Of course, that IS a probably. Tommen very well could have landed in Oros. Though Tommen might have also been sunk in the smoking sea by who knows what. My hopes for actually finding Brightroar are basically nil honestly. I'm hoping we can find something else of value though.
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>>6394692
So we want brightroar, from our ancestor tommen the second.
Note this was on the wiki
>The last report of him is a Volantene chronicle titled The Glory of Volantis which mentions a "golden fleet" bearing the "Lion King" stayed at Volantis for supplies, and the that triarchs showered him with gifts. According to the chronicle, Tommen II swore that half of all he would find would be given to the triarchs in return for their generosity and the promise to send their fleet to his aid when he requested it. Afterward he sailed away. The next year, the chronicle states that Triarch Marqelo Tagaros dispatched a squadron toward Valyria to find any sign of Tommen's golden fleet but returned empty handed.
He was probably heading for Valeria directly, since he wanted the spells and treasure he thought was still on valarya
>>6394679
the map here says that he'd first set down first on the western archapelligo, the one with the house to the west of tyria and Valyria city.
Lacking any sign though, it's possible he went in directly from the northern channel towards the main landmass. He set out in 54 AC, 54 years after the targs got established, and the current year is like 290ish to 291.
The wood is probably rotten for the ships, so I wouldn't bet on finding the fleet run aground.
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>>6394701
Yeah I would assume Tommen would have go directly for Valyria (city), even if its a whole urban region of rich cities that are all ruins.
And also i am not confident in finding Brightroar. I think we can find treasures a plenty (in the ruins that look more solid most likely) and something of worth even in Oros. Going all the way to Valyria City feels even more dangerous. I kinda hope Tommen died before going near it, but chances are that Jason ancestor likely pushed his men until he was at least near Valyria City surroundings. If not inside the city first walls. I wonder if Tommen kept a diary of its own expedition travel.
>>6394702
He had the best expedition ever made for Valryia and the best support for it, and still managed to fuck it up.
>the one with the house to the west of Tyria and Valyria city.
Likely one of the cities that no one can recognize which name is it. I assume Tommen was defeated there in some capacity by the monsters lurking there while attempting to loot the ruins of that city, and then decide to go directly to Valyria City. As if that was less dangerous.
>The wood is probably rotten for the ships, so I wouldn't bet on finding the fleet run aground.
Ah right, a lot of time passed. So we would need to find skeletons, and old armors/weapons of ancient Lannisters. What are the chances Tommen expedition managed to arrive to Valyria city from Tyria ? It probably depends on the amount of men the expedition had.
Some men would have died in that western island city likely, some for general attrition, some in the sea and some in Tyria. It sounds like a death sentence to keep going after all those losses.
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>>6394712
A ship might have lasted 240 years on a beach but If they were capsized then we have very little chance to find them unless we accidently sail over them.
Armour/metal is going to be our best bet for recognising the old expedition, if we find any.
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>>6394725
Another thing to keep in mind is if something ate the bodies. And the general weather conditions of the area. I am sure any organic matter is long since gone. And most of the armor probably corroded and broken apart as well. Though there may still be bones and wargear, I'd wager most of it would be hard to spot after so long in the elements. Probably half buried in ash and filth. Unless they perished indoors.
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Hmmm, unrelated to Jason's adventures but...
Supposedly you need Dragonglass or a Valyrian Steel weapon in order to kill an Other, right?
What would happen if a Giant just ripped one in half and tried eating it's head?
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>>6394772
I think that comes down to a question of whether the Others are spiritual as much as physical beings. If they are primarily spiritual beings then destroying its body would do little. But if it were a physical creature and not just a shell, then surely if you smashed it with a boulder into paste, or hacked it into a million pieces it would perish. The problem is if the stories are exaggerated. Maybe it's only speculation that they can ONLY be killed by fire-aspected magical means. Or maybe it's true and they can just pull themselves back together or simply cannot be injured by any other means.
Regardless of whether the Other dies or not, it probably freezes the giant to death from the inside. Since the Others wield weapons of weird magic ice that can freeze steel swords so hard they shatter and even when they don't it instantly covers them in frost. and those pasty motherfuckers are holding the things just fine so they're cold as shit, too.
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>>6394781
Others are only vulnerable to fire aspected magicks and the giant will likely die from contact. Except for whatever the fuck the Night King married. That thing apparently could safely be touched unlike the Others.
On an unrelated note what if we could catch a kraken baby for Asha as a pet? Near Valaryia apparently is a huge spawning ground for kraken. Easy to snag one on the way back for her and if they are anything like irl squid/octopuses, they should be super smart too.
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>>6394783
The corpse queen could have been an Other, since there's nothing to suggest they couldn't control how hard they freeze things if at all. Or it could have just been an albino wildling. Depends on who you ask. Lots of those "Old stories" have mutable retellings. Much like our own histories. Who truly knows the truth?The Stark lords, probably. Those fuckers never let anything go.
As for the kraken for our kraken, it would probably be difficult nigh on impossible to control even if it were raised by humans. Without some magic at least. There's a certain blue-lipped uncle who is definitely looking into that shit.
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>>6394783
>catch a kraken baby for Asha as a pet?
There's like... no fucking way we'd be able to pull that off. But if we did? Holy shit that'd be a status symbol greater than Brightroar.
A Greyjoy girl, who went to Valyria and came back with the very beast that her House is symbolized by? If that doesn't make a Reaver Queen, I don't know what would.
The Lannisters have the wealth to feed and care for it, whilst Jason has the know-how to construct an aquarium or large water pen for it to live in until it gets older.
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>>6394786
The Starks would definitely know and are definitely not telling. Just like all those designs belonging to Brandon the Builder mysteriously being gone despite being a confirmed Stark who apparently traveled Westeros in his youth. They have more secrets and knowledge than the Maesters suspect no doubt.
The blue lipped uncle is a warlock and Ironborn heretic that our beloved Asha wants dead. The thought of having a pet kraken for her amuses me to no end. A pet lion for Jason is easy and nowhere near as impressive or cool.
>>6394789
A fishing net would hold one if it's a baby while we travel. Getting it used to humans and learning how to communicate is the issue. A kraken like a Laviathian would be far more intelligent than anyone realizes. It's why the maesters like their crows and ravens so much. Such smart animals. Whales and muscaloids like the squids/octopuses or in this case krakens and leviathans would be like that too.
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>>6394792
There is definitely a TON of shit going on with the Starks. And that blithering retard Joffrey fucks it all up by what he does to Ned. Fugg
Well yeah and Euron does need to die because he is doing some shifty shit on the side. Possibly trying to drown the fucking planet or whatever. The psycho. But he has a better chance of controlling a kraken than we do. It'd be cool as shit to have one, yeah, but we can't really control it. Or contain it. Squids frequently escape enclosures and many times see it as a game or puzzle to do for fun. Once they realize then CAN get out they tend to really want to.
>cooler than a lion
Sure, sure, however, hrakkar. It'd be sick to have one or two at home. Call us fuckin Simon and Garfunkel.
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>>6394795
I want a white lion cause I think we are closer to where it lives as a pet.
A trapped kraken is kinda useless to us. I was thinking we could teach the kraken sign language so we can communicate. With its sonar, it can no doubt hear us but we won't understand it. Teach that fucker how to lift its tentacles to communicate and chat. Maybe even a few games to keep it entertained. The fishermen can keep it fed while its younger and when it's bigger the whaling ships can help.
I have no doubt in my mind Jason can up with some sick underwater puzzles/models to play with it cause why not? It's a fucking kraken and he will teach it the glory that is the fun that is playing with building blocks. Imagine what a kraken can do if Jason successfully teaches it the glory and fun that is modelling!
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>>6394799
Oh god especially a ship in bottle contest with a kraken! That would be a trip and make it a great puzzle but hilarious challenge for a kraken/everyone else. Or anything else in bottle or something like that...
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>>6394799
I just don't find it feasible to make sure we can safely reside around or interact with a kraken. Unless, perhaps, we stole house Celtigar's alleged magic horn. Though how safely can you reasonably interact with something so strong it can drag ships into the deeps? Especially with the fact that it'd be in the water where it holds the advantage of being able to breath underwater kek Giant squids in our world get up to what, 12-15 feet at the largest? I bet a kraken gets up to like 100. Maybe even larger but I somehow doubt it.
Also fun fact, apparently squids have their brains located around their throats. So if they swallow something too big it literally gives them brain damage. They also have beaks. Always remember where the brains of your foes are, people.
The more I think about it the more I imaginethat this very thing is what Euron will leverage at the kingsmoot to beat out Asha. In canon it was Euron going to Valyria and finding that dragonbinder that won him the kingsmoot. With both candidates saying they went to Valyria and proving it, and providing a fuckton of plunder and spoils, Euron saying he also has an actual kraken enslaved to his will via magic and proving it probably also gives him the edge needed to win.But we're getting ahead of ourselves here. First we need to survive Valyria. And find the Valyrian Kama Sutra.
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Just a heads up, I’m chewing on the update. It’s a big one both narrativly and likely physically (I don’t imagine it being small).
Also, real quick.
Gerion Lannister is going to realize that Jason, Humfrey, Himself, and Sarella are all fourth born children. He’ll also realize that Asha and Sandor are Third born (I think Sandor is anyways).
So he’s going to push for a name. I was thinking of Calling it “The Last Born Expedition” or “The Last Born Company”
What are some thoughts or ideas for the name?
If one gets popular I’ll use that or mine above.
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>>6394816
For some reason I immediately thought "I ain't no senator's son" which made me think of another lyric "I ain't no fortunate one" which THEN made me think The UNfortunate Ones. Which tickles my silly pickle despite how awful and stupid it sounds, not to mention literally inviting misfortune with the name lmao. Though one must say, fortune favors the bold, and what bolder action could there be than to welcome bad luck by your very name?
I like Last Born whatsit whosit though. It's rather fitting. People with no real prospects of their own doing whatever they can. Rad.
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>>6394816
I like the Lastborn Expedition however once we return from Valyria if Gerion is still alive it can be transformed into the Lastborn Expedition Company as kind of a Lannister funded exploration organisation that'll go where no man has gone with proper backing.
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>>6394728
The more we write about it the more finding Tommen expedition sound incredibly difficult. Useless ancestor...
>>6394783
I am not sure how we snag it. Like sure Krakens make their spawning nests here, but are they visible nests that we can reach ? Do humans hunt for kraken eggs for eat them for example ? Also how do we feed it in Valryia waters ? The "little" one will eat more and more has it grows. Maybe we should try capture one on our way out...idk. We will see.
>super smart
A big issue if we don't know how to control/domesticate. Euron did go to Valryia for attempt to learn about magic and get some powerful artifacts though.....
>>6394816
Sure it can work has a name. Its not glorious or noble, but there is not much of that in this expedition.
A question for everyone : what was Gerion know for ? Like beside being an adventorous type, was he known for being good at something?
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>>6394850
We don't have too much lore on Uncle Gerion. We know he was kind to Tyrion and quite eccentric, and he also has a bastard daughter from a common woman called Briony so he doesn't have the classism of Tywin. From Genna, we know he didn't care for the game of politics and often mocked it.
We should probably introduce Joy Hill (his daughter) to Tyrion and Tysha, I bet she'd be a good big sister to their newborn.
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>>6394806I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure Euron actually steals the Dragonbinder from a ship transporting it that's owned by the House of The Undying, the sorcerers are fleeing with it after Danny rocks their shit and they run right into Euron. He hasn't actually been to Valyria.
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Also, for the name thing:
"The Latter-Born Brigade"
"The Lastborn Brigade"
"The Latter-Born Brotherhood"
"The Latter-Born Regiment"
I like brigade, I think, and I prefer Latter-Born to Lastborn, personally, but that's my own two cents.
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>>6394864
>adventorous
>eccentric
>0 issues with commoners
>no issue in having bastards
>no care of politics
I can see why Tywin doesn't seem bothered to potentially losing a brother here. We need to keep him alive.
>We should probably introduce Joy Hill (his daughter) to Tyrion and Tysha
Good idea. She is family too.
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>>6394879
I can go behind to either latterborn or lastborn, both sounds fitting. And yeah Brotherhood no since we aren't all males in the expedition.
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>>6394893
I think it has a better rhythm to it than 'Lastborn', and is more inclusive of kids born after the first.
"The Latter-Born Lances/Lancers"
Is this anything?
I am with the other anon on making it a company once we return, ideally with Gerion in tow. Actually fits with my plan to fund a mercenary company - calling them the Latter-Borns feels like a good jab at Tywin for the way he looks at us, and we can essentially bill it as a place for spare children of nobles to make a name for themselves and accrue accomplishments. We'll gain the benefit of better trained and equipped officers, they'll be welcomed into a storied organization run by a pair of twins who understand their lot in life particularly well. Ironborn navy, PMC of commoners mingling with overlooked lordlings that have something to prove, and an A team of oddballs with a pinch of magic? We may yet become a significant player in the game.
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>>6394908
I'm the anon who suggested we should for our expedition into a proper organisation after, and your idea for a mercenary company isn't a bad plan, but I don't quite see Gerion as the martial type.
We aren't either, so for mercenary work we'd be rellying quite a lot on Asha and maybe humfrey.
I envisioned the company more as something focused on exploring the gigantic world of asoiaf, with proper funding and establishing resupply points along the way. Involving exploration minded Ironborn and maybe even establishing some new trade routes along the way.
I bet goods from Yi-Ti will sell for a fortune
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>>6394917
My initial pitch was to fund the merc company and hand management off to Tyrion or maybe he and Humfrey both. That way Asha and Jason can focus on other stuff but still have ground troops worth a damn, since Ironborn are their most formidable on the water.
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>>6394806
>how to control
>Celtigar's alleged magic horn
I mean, the Stark's didn't need magic nor control in order to tame dire wolf pups. Danny didn't need magic or control in order to earn the love of her dragons. I know that dogs and dragons are loyal, so it's not the same, but if Asha manages to grab a Kraken when it's still a baby? If she just feeds it and plays with it every day as it grows up, then it's fairly reasonable that it'd grow affectionate towards her. Especially if they are so intelligent.
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>>6394783
Hmmm, I bet wildfyre would absolutely fuck up an Other.
Like, imagine the look on their face when a suicide fanatic of R'hllor dives towards them before exploding into green flames.
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>>6394942
Dany is a descendant of Valyrian dragonlords, and those guys are more blood and fire magic than human. Starks similarly are a magical bloodline, all of the current Stark children being wargs and Bran being a greenseer.
Now, the Greyjoys are also magical bloodline. The Grey King had a mermaid wife if the age of heroes myths are to be believed, which the Greyjoys decent from.
The question is whether the magic blood of the Greyjoys is first men magic or something else entirely. I believe houses like the Farwynd are known to be wargs and warg into seals and such, but as of now we didn't see if there is a unique type of magic the Greyjoys possess.
And Euron does not count, that guy is knee deep in blood magic and the house of sorcerors warlock magic but as of now he doesnt have any special drowned god stuff.
So the question is, will being close to a Kraken hatchling awaken any nascent powers Asha might have just like the direwolves did for the Stark children? Krakens are also magical in nature just as direwolves, so even if Asha might be a regular first men warg it might be enough to tame it. Or the blood of Greyjoys works in an entirely different way, with mermaid (deep ones?) influence running through it
I think it is a bit up to the QM, could be really cool tho
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>>6394850
>what was Gerion know for
Being aware he'd never get out of Tywin's shadow because Tywin was always the best of his brothers. So self aware I guess.
>>6394872It's either or for that one since I don't recall it being specifically stated that one or the other is true, however, Euron will claim it's from Valyria and use it as proof, so for purposes of the stories being told to the kingsmoot it's effectively the same. But I will admit to being a silly billy kek
>>6394942
A man could potentially wrestle with a direwolf. Sure it'd be closer to wrestling with a big cat in terms of strength than it would be like wrestling with a normal large canine but it's still possible. And being that direwolves are still canids and at least understand social structures they are naturally easier to tame. I would call Dragons loyal either, per se. Since the bonding thing they do if at least semi-magical in nature, since they will under no circumstances allow anyone other than the one they are bonded with control them while the original rider still lives. Yet they can make new bonds after the original rider dies. There's something going on behind the scenes there.
As for making the kraken a happy baby, yeah it probably would grow fond of her, but it would still be a wild animal. And a particularly strong one that doesn't abide by social structures we would be familiar with, being as it is a sea-creature. So loyalty isn't quite the same for them. I believe squids are also cannibalistic so seeming like family to them doesn't sound like a surefire way to avoid getting snatched up. I'd be down for getting her a big squiddo, but I would rather just be absolute positively sure it wouldn't backfire on her.
>Other pulls up like he owns the south
>suddenly some fucking guy jumps up on an overturned wagon next to the pale freak and pulls this move https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-A6_xsj_aU
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>>6394971
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Zass
This guy was 5'6" and carried a horse on his shoulders. And, as part of a circus act, carried two lions on his shoulders. He was also able to break out of prison by bending the fucking bars apart like a Baki character.
Considering that a direwolf would have a slimmer build than a horse and be a lot less flexible than, say, a big cat, I totally believe that a sufficiently strong man (not even accounting that many Westerosi are built different) could wrestle a direwolf.
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>>6394976
No anon, you got it all wrong. You have to stand tall and keep your hands up, you see, when they launch themselves at you? You have to wait for that moment, and grab them by the chest/neck and hold them on the hind legs, that mf won't get to bite you if you hold it like that until it tires itself out
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>>6394977
I just read thru that article, damn that guy was impressive.
Fine, if the direwolf isn't trying to actively kill you, you could probably wrestle with it. It would probably be like playing for the wolf and trying to get the world championship in weightlifting for you tho.
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>>6394977
>Carrying on his shoulders simultaneously a grand piano, a pianist and a dancer.[15]
Dudes be just doing whatever in the circus man lmao. Holy crap. Guy was built different.
>>6394979
Shit you're a genius. What a fool I am. The technique was staring me in the face the whole time and I never saw it. I am truly blind to the ways of the tickling wolf.
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>>6394806
Its a baby kraken that apparently are rife throughout the waters and coasts close to Valaryia thanks to the geothermal vent activity providing the perfect and largest known spawning grounds for Kraken there. Given the lack of dead kraken washing up its safe to assume they survive their own spawning. The baby would still be highly intelligent. Just got to teach it to communicate(hence sign language) and keep it entertained/fed enough to want to stick around.
>>6394850
irl squids and octopuses are picky as fuck where they spawn and lay their eggs. Prefering specific locations and crevices particularly around certain geothermal vents. Given how krakens apparently LOVE the waters near Valayria they appear to be of the geothermal loving variety. Given their size their spawns would be deeper in the depths. However the baby krakens themselves appear to prefer to the shallows(no doubt to avoid predators), where humans have easily noticed them and can even fish them up. Eggs are unlikely unless they somehow get washed up out of the crevices they are no doubt hidden in and past their guardians. They especially like the rocky coastlines near Valaryia for some reason.
The trick to deal with their intelligence is opening communication and keeping them entertained. I imagine they must be bored as fuck the majority of their no doubt very long lifespans given how even irl giant squids live for centuries. Give it a way to play some games would go a LONG fucking way to stay on a kraken's good side.
>>6394957
The Maesters suspected the Ironborn descended from a separate group of Men who came across the Sea and aren't actually of the First Men at all. Something the Ironborn themselves actually agree with. Euron forsook the Drowned God, it's why he is hated by the Traditionalist Ironborn so much and is a Warlock instead. Asha is a Reformist and hasn't technically abandoned the Drowned God which makes sense as she wants to be the First Reaver Queen. A title she would be able to claim if she truly turned her back on the Drowned God she is just sick and tired of the Ironborn retardation.
Ironborn are the most strongest influenced by the Deep Ones but the Merlings have also influenced others besides the Ironborn. So that isn't unique to them. The blessings of the Deep Ones IS unique to the Ironborn. Among the Greyjoys Asha would appear to be the most strongly impacted by whatever magical forces are at work in the Ironborn blood as she hasn't outright turned her back on Drowned God(Deep Ones) and wants to force the Ironborn to get their shit together finally. Plus she is an absolute charismatic beast of a woman just not Amazonian Brienne tier.
Its worth noting the Ironborn USED to be able to produce Berserkers and other such great feats, but lost the ability millennia ago, as well as being the closest to beings like the Merlings and Deep Ones. The closest Men to the Sea as they were ages ago. A fact that the Ironborn still desperately cling to this day.
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>>6395002
There are krakens in the summer sea, as well. And somewhere in the sunset sea. They also hunt in waters along Dorne and the Stepstones, but those would be grown and outside of our interests in this regard.
I watch too much anime to trust squids.
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>>6395002
I do think that deep one connection is fascinating, the oily black stone of the Seastone Chair is one of many artifacts of theirs. Although, the origin of the Ironborn is somewhat of a debate in universe, like you said some Maesters suggest they came from beyond the sunset sea while others lean more towards the first men explanation. We do know of Iron Islander wargs, which is a trait unique to first men. I think the truth might be somewhere in the middle.
There is definitely a Deep One connection as well, with the drowned god, patchface, the seastone chair and the various legends of the islands all pointing towards the abyss.
Honestly the problem lies with GRR Martin intentionally keeping the deep ones extremely vague. As far as I am aware, there's no unique magic that the Greyjoy seem to have despite their magical bloodline, and the only character that is definitely %100 connected to the deep ones/drowned god is patchface. Although that might be because in westeros magic needs a catalyst, without finding the direwolves the Stark children (probably except Bran) would not develop their powers.
I am certain our lady Kraken can handle a Kraken of her own. Maybe if we are lucky we might even get some deep one connections, although how inhuman they'll be is an interesting question.
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>>6395009
I mean sure, it's nice that Asha's bloodline might have a connection along with this theoretical baby Kraken would be born along the coast of a super magical place...
But is that extra stuff even necessary?
I'd bet that even someone normal like Tyrion could probably raise a mundane baby octopus from somewhere like the Summer Isles and the creature would be relatively loyal (if given love and attention since birth).
The Greyjoy lineage might not even be necessary if all you want is for the squiddie to just follow you around, look cool, and not attack you.
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>>6395013
A mundane baby octopus yea sure, a Kraken? probably not. Just as how those direwolf pups of the Starks would be wild animals under any other family instead of reflecting the personal journeys of the Stark children one to one, A Kraken would be nothing but the seas uncontrollable wrath made manifest if not brought up by the right person with the necessary magical blood.
Asha does have that blood, but whatever supernatural forces that run through the world need to align first for her to be the Kraken Queen she was meant to be.
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>>6395033
The geneology of Lann the Clever is a bit of a contested topic. Some Maesters say that he was an Andal adventurer, however he existed thousands of years before the Andal invasion of Westeros so that seems a bit unlikely. He is also said to be the bastard son of one of the legendary daughters of Garth Greenhand, but he is also said to have just posed as one of his many sons and stolen some of their inheritence. It is unclear, but he also might've married into the Casterly's. Either way, we definitely do have first men blood due to marriage packs throughout the ages.
If we do have any magical blood in us, it is probably of the life magic Garth Greenhand possessed, which is pretty cool. It is like the only magic that doesn't outright involve horrific acts, and the children of the forest are still around to teach it.
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>>6395033
To be clear, the mines beneath Casterly Rock aren't about to run dry. It's just that Tywin knows that it is indeed finite, so catching people in debt traps is wiser than actually mining any of the gold. So he is always keen to spend other people's money instead of Lannister gold. As for the lineage, other anon covers it.
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There are also things like water magic which seems to not need fucked up shit to make it work, as well as like one single comment about aeromancy existing but literally nothing else is said about it other than people practice it in Asshai or something IIRC. So it might be okay, too. But who knows, maybe they require sacrifices of some description as well. But I wouldn't trust the children of the forest, either. Considering what they do with those fucked up trees.
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>>6395038
That's fucking cool! I doubt Jason will get some kind of secret green magic power without being really Gaary sue-ish, or at least so soon.
>>6395052
That's actually good to hear lol
>So he is always keen to spend other people's money instead of Lannister gold
That's an art that I hope Jason learns, with our shenanigans it would be cool to have someone pay for our building blocks
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Likely the Ironmen given their taste for saltwives are now mixed. Westeros has several major ethnogroupings. With the purist being Northern First Men, the Vale Andals, The Dornish Rhoynar, Sea Ironmen, and the Targ Valaryians. Ironborn have the highest concentration of wherever the fuck the Iron Island colonizers actually came from(which surprisingly the Ironborn and Maesters both agree was likely overseas). Later, through their reaving they heavily mixed with the First Men and later other ethnogroups.
I'll admit I hadn't thought how magical bloodlines would play an impact in the domestication of a Kraken. Especially with how the Greyjoys supposedly hold quite the ancient and storied bloodline as well. Even if they have been a bunch of retards for centuries.
To be honest if Asha is successful with her kraken I'm more worried about whatever the hell that kraken will dredge up from the depths, especially if given a large chest or box to put stuff in. God knows what the merlings or deep ones would give it to bring back to the surface.
>>6395033
Lann the Clever is known best for his wits and charisma. Winning over Casterly Rock without spilling a drop of blood and siring over two hundred children. Founding Lannisport directly as a result as well. His true origin is disputed but its commonly accepted that among the ancient heroic lineages the wits and beauty of Lann is unmatched which they later leveraged heavily with wealth as well.
>>6395038
The Great Houses have intermarried so heavily into each other over the ages that they all do. It's worth noting however, that geography/magic has a great impact in how it manifests. Otherwise you wouldn't have such clear distinctions between Houses given all the intermarriage.
>>6395075
Jason inherited not the magic of Garth Greenhand but instead that of Brandon the Builder 'stolen' through Stark old intermarriages with the Lannisters. He than used his 'charming' charisma to win over the Kraken's daughter heart via good old fashion Lann charm.
You just know Lann and the Old Gods have gotta be laughing their asses off over that one. So Jason does have Magick it's just very...very old and construction related. Also why he is so oddly charming and endearing to females who should otherwise want to do him harm(see that Lann magical charisma). Despite him being as dense as gold while being as innocent and pure as maiden. Lann and the Old Gods has gotta be wheezing from laughing so hard.
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>>6395154
>Also why he is so oddly charming and endearing to females who should otherwise want to do him harm
I've said it before, but idk if I posted here on the phone it on my laptop
BUT! I said that Jason has some really unnatural charisma. The thing he did with Asha when he met her is just some calculation, BUT, making friends with Humfrey, her father, the Mad Maid, and now Dara? There are a really wide variety of friendship Jason got just by talking, not just a single profile (like for example "Noble", "4th sons" or any other type of people), he just seems like a really boring guy at first sight before you talk to him and he's the guy you hope he gets invited to the next party you go to, you know what I mean?
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>>6395161
Don't forget how he completely NEUTRALIZED the Martells as a personal threat to himself in only a single meeting and instigated an alliance between Asha and the Martells when previously Asha disliked them for being a threat to Jason(for entirely understandable reasons no less) because he knew they would never a Lannister. Even Doran Martell himself thinks Jason is a harmless moron who can never play the Great Game after his 'stupid stunt' that would have him and Varys rolling on the floor with laughter.
That is some supernatural bullshit level charisma if anyone is somehow immune to his 'charm' enough to notice just how fucking eerie truly is what he just did. He shouldn't have been able to neutralize someone like fucking Oberyn so perfectly who HATES the Lannisters so damned much, much less win over a sand viper enough to join his retinue and be a liaison between himself and Asha with the Martells. Like seriously, what kind of bullshit charisma is that?
Especially with the guy in question is some gigantic nerd who just wants to play with fucking building blocks all day, is denser than gold, and so pure and innocent they would put a maiden to shame(fucking hilarious contrast admittedly, with Asha's open lewdness and horniness)? You wouldn't think that until you see him work his charm and then suddenly it's like 'holy shit'. Only trouble is nobody can actually notice his 'charm magick', apparently it's innate and hidden in plain sight kinda deal.
Strictly speaking Jason has two Magicks but only one of which is observable, the Builder ancient magick that was 'inherited' from the Starks from Brandon the Builder but secretly he also has the charm magick of Lann himself. The charm Jason can lay out really is something else. Kraken daughter who should despise you and be hard as fuck to win over? Now wants to 'save' you from your own family and considers you her most treasured loverboy. Martells no longer consider you a problem. Hightowers vouch for you. Robert finds you the only likeable in law. Like damn man, throw the kid in a nest of his greatest enemies and while they are no besties neither are they mortal enemies anymore. Some that is some serious BS charisma at work. Not to mention how obsessed Asha is getting with him and confused with him 'supposed' to be an enemy of hers...dat charm magick is some potent ass shit.
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>>6395175
I want to point this out because in the very start of the quest the QM pointed out that the MC is 'mediocre in ALL stats'. Yet in terms of performance...that MC does NOT behave mediocre stats whatsoever in Charisma related metrics. Construction is understandable because he was given a freebie talent at character creation but that frankly doesn't explain the charisma bullshit.
That charisma of his, despite his personality quirks which by all rights should indicate the exact OPPOSITE...well look at what happens. Downright supernatural. Given his ancestry this points directly back to Lann. Jason is has straight up supernatural charisma but in the 'oh so beautiful' Cersei but bonafide 'what kind of magical trickery is this' kind. Charm magick. Charm magick out the ass that he unwittingly lays it out thick whenever without ever truly realizing it. The kid is a natural and apparently by instinct since he's completely clueless about it.
So yeah really unnatural levels of charisma that don't match his 'mediocre' charisma stat + personality quirks whatsoever. The only thing that explains it is that Lann ancestry and inherited charm magicks. With the builder magicks being 'acquired' from the Starks but fat chance of convincing them to reveal their many secrets, especially about Brandon the Builder given the totally not suspicious amount of similarities with a Lannister of all people.
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>>6395154
Well there is a weirwood three underneath the Casterly Rock, but truth be told, the origin of both Brandon the Builder and Garth Greenhands's magic lies in the children of the forest. Although, I would suggest that northerners mix blood magic into their practice. A lot of traditions involving blood and sacrificing people to the weirwood trees are present there.
If you are thinking Jason's Charisma is supernatural, Garth was quite the lady's man. He brung fertility not only to the land but to barren ladies as well.
I don't think that aspect of Jason is supernatural tho, his autism just made him not adopt the idiotic parts of westerosi culture because he is rather single minded in his pursuits and that is quite endearing to people. As Oberyn said "Honest, Honourable and Good Taste in character", and he is rather open minded too, seeking knowledge everywhere and trying new things whenever he is able to.
That'd make anyone quite liked, anyone would be honoured if some random bloke from overseas came to their lands, tried his best to respect the customs and experience the culture while not showing any predijuce and also being absolutely smitten by the local architecture, probably giving you some interesting information about it even you don't know about. Jason is a pretty chill guy
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>>6395181
On the flip side, every single instance of him winning people over comes down to one thing; respect. He shows true respect to people, not just the respect that noble courtesy insists upon. While himself being a harmless, simple, and easy going person. It's not even supernatural in that regard, he's JUST a chill guy. The kind of guy you meet once and decide he'd be cool to have a drink with or smoke a bowl with. His earnestness and blunt delivery makes him endearing.
Now, certain people would hate the shit out of that though. Which I am sure we will encounter at some point. They'll think him sycophantic or scheming. Thus far we seem to have met people who all are just good judges of character and see how genuine Jason is. But people like Cersei who are full of themselves likely will assume he has ill intent. And people who are super serious ALL the time probably would find him annoying or grating to be around, so Stannis and the like.Obviously Robert is the example of extrovert charisma and Jason is the example of introvert charisma.
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>>6395038
Greenhand? Nah, we prefer GreenEYES.
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>>6395181
>supernatural charisma
Really?
I think it really just comes from Jason not being a massive fucking turbo cunt like his father and sister. If a person can manage to act like a normal human being, then surprise surprise: people will probably like you.
Jason's other secret trick for getting people to like him is that he agrees with most of the people he meets, and supports their goals. Shocker.
With Asha he went "Yeah I don't think you should be beaten. I think you should be allowed to live however you want, and if that mean acting like a pirate well then more power to ya. If you want my help then just tell me what you want and I'll see what I can do".
With Robert he went "Hey, you look bored. Maybe some competitive excitement will cheer you up. Btw, I'm not a smug prick like others in my family".
With the Martell's, he went "Yeah I don't want to kill you guys, and I am fucking disgusted by what my father did. I hope that karma comes back to bite him some day. I also am not pissed that you tried to kill me nor that you had a spy amongst my retinue."
Hell, Oberyn went and fought to save Tyrion's life when he was put on trial. Sure, it was so that he could kill The Mountain, but he confided that he didn't have that much enmity towards Tyrion.
Honestly, the only thing about Jason's supposed skill in terms of winning people over is his knack for knowing what they want so that he can tell them what they want to hear. Oog, that comes from us anon's knowing a lot about all the characters in the story.
In-setting, it can just be chalked up to Jason learning what Cersei always said about "find out what people want so that you can exploit them first", except in Jason's case he isn't trying to exploit them; he's trying to cooperate and help them get what they want.
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Update, got nothing done today post wise due to busy. Will try to get a decent chunk done today. Current plan is to handle the expedition in stages, but we’ll see how that looks as I type.
Like the discussions going on, I’m learning a lot from you guys and it’s helping me develop ideas for later in the quest.
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>>6395200
So shall it be.
>>6395203
Oh don't take ideas from us. We're all crazy.
But while we're all here, have another weird theory from the internet, everybody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9sVMKExaMI
Now I don't agree with his apparent soft assertions that the magic used is all shadow magic just with a fire or ice leaning, I think it is all separate magics, albeit with some overlap here and there. You might pick that up in his use of verbiage. I'm also of the opinion that the lizard dudes and in fact many of the weird not-quite-human things in essos are results of blood magic tampering and not simply men in funny coats. Ties in to other theories about Valyria and stuff which tickle my fancy. I also don't agree that there is an invisible moon over Asshai and the Shadowlands since they aren't literally covered in darkness all the time. But the idea of magical permanent eclipses is quite fascinating.
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>>6395207
I do like that guys videos a lot. His video on how Bran the Builder built the wall is quite good and I like his theories on how winterfel is a gigantic Weirwood Tree encased in stone that pumps hot spring waters through the walls via its branches.
He kinda ties most if not all magic in westeros to a single source, and I think that just makes the story a bit less mysterious and interesting. There are a lot of things connected with the world that doesn't have anything to do with the children of the forest and the old gods. Westeros is deeply connected to them tho.
With more than a decade with no Winds of Winder, we are all mad down here.
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>>6395218
The way that Martin decides to write does leave a TON of shit that both is and is not related on different levels. Combined with lots of time do be leading to Targaryen Reader Madness.
I'd been out of the loop for so long I forgot all the various theories and new ones have popped up since, so now I've just been trawling around randomly finding them here and there. In Deep Geek if pretty nice insofar that he tends to keep them relatively short, but I like The Disputed Lands as well because of the myriad references and directly cited interviews and stuff. It's really neat. I haven't managed to come across any of that Morning Light or Morning Star guy that sometimes gets referenced in these videos but I'm sure I'll stumble onto him eventually kek. I'll get around to watching some more michael as well.
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>>6395221
You mean that blade of the dawn fella? House Dayne is pretty interesting. Along with the hightowers that house probably traces their roots back to the Golden Empire of Dawn. They even have a sword, the dawn blade, that is made of a metal even stronger than Valyrian Steel. That aspect of the world of asoiaf always fascinated me. The incredible buildings they created, the connection to Asshai and Stygia and the last long night, them being potential dragonriders even before the Valyrians, all very interesting stuff.
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>>6395237
Nah I meant the uh, what's his face youtube guy. David Lightbringer, that's the guy.
But I do think the sword Dawn and the Daynes are gonna be important. Dawn itself was noted as being made of metal that fell from the heavens, and the Yi Ti assert that their Long Night equivalent in history happened because the Bloodstone Emperor did a bunch of fucky wuckies, but he too worshipped a stone that fell from the heavens. Though these two events are unrelated and separated by great distance and time. There's SOMETHING going on with the celestial bodies. As noted by all the "Dragons will come from the hatched moon" and shit. And the stories of dragons living in the shadowlands with demons. Fuckin, the world has so many different apocalypses, fuck ever living there lmao
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>>6395242
Well Yi-Ti claim they ARE the Golden Empire of the Dawn, and their emperors similarly give themselves names of gemstone. They probably were in the territories of that old empire but they're very very recent compared to that ancient history.
The Bloodstone Emperor is said to have started worshipping a black stone that fell from the sky. Interestingly enough, we know the location of that black stone, which is in Stygia (a city more cursed than even Valyria, which is said to hold secrets even the Ashaii people covet but rarely have the courage to venture out and get). He also started a religion, the church of starry wisdom, which is also still around and is considered evil by some.
You are right that something strange is in the skies of this world. Dany's dragons waking were also heralded by a red comet. Prophecy and magic run deep and are only getting stronger.
Ah, David Lightbringer. I did watch a few of his videos but don't remember much to be honest.
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>>6395251
I'll give you the most crackpot theory. Check it.The Red Comet was actually a spaceship and the "Magic" returning to the world was it basically crop dusting the planet as a means of population control or experimentation to see what happens under specific conditions. It's FUCKING ALIENS MANG
Right now I'm just refreshing on dragon theories since we're going to Valyria, but I also don't want to post any in case they wind up putting expectations out or spoilers out or generally just get us sidetracked. I'll definitely post them after the Valyria trip is over assuming we'll never come back because fuck these godsforsaken islands. Sure most of it is ancient history stuff and not relevant and likely never will be for our scope, but still. It's the principle of the matter.
It's almost certain that Yi Ti is the result of the Empire of the Dawn falling. Or they at least slotted into their ruins. Every city is build atop three as they allege. We'd have to go to Leng to have a chance of finding the truth. But can you really trust history? It is written by the victors.
There's also apparently a breakaway warlord in Yi Ti right now that wants to take over, while there is also two other factions vying for control? Like dude the fuck is going on in not!china right now? It seems like they're going to go through a Long Night of their own the same time as Westeros this time around.
The stars are aligning, got weird fucking fish people, all the prophecies both are and aren't true. It is indeed some serious shit.
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>>6395260
Essos being upturned by a Dragon Queen, Yi-Ti being split between warring factions, Westeros being deep into several consecutive civil wars... Times do be looking apocalyptic even without the magical elements, with them it speaks of a greater threat to arise.
I really would like to visit Leng and Asshai, both our architectural and magical interests can be satiated to all hell in those places.
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>>6395268
One can only imagine what hells are taking place in Sothoryos, Ulthos, the secret continent to the east and the mythical lands to the west of Westeros should they exist.
I bet if Asha and Jason went to Leng or Asshai she would have to chain him down, twice, to stop his vibrating in excitement from ascending him to a higher consciousness kek it would be so cool. Potential answers to so many mysteries. The holy grail of telling us what the fuck is going on. Maybe Gerion will travel to these places after this is said and done. Bring us little trinkets, snippets and lore. Because Tywin is certainly not going to allow Jason to leave Westeros for as long as he lives, and by the time he isn't living we're probably going to be knee deep in the dead and a little busy to be taking a cruise.
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>>6395269
Yeah, The moment we land in Lannisport Tywin is going to chain our ass to those gilded halls. It is a shame tho, I would think seeing the wonders of the world would be incredible for our natural skills. The only option for freedom I see is Asha getting enough political power herself for us shield us from our father, since I doubt she's the type of person to stay in a single place if she has the sea
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>>6395273
>tfw asha gets to have her salt husband in a way that isn't villainous but heroic
Damn she really IS a reformist, huh? Here's hoping. Come to think of it however, I wonder if Gerion survives this journey if Tywin is going to feel proud of his brother. Not because Gerion achieved something great, but because his actions would result in elevating the grandeur of house Lannister.
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Also just as trivia, cold iron isn't some special iron, it's basically either wrought iron or cold forged iron depending on how you interpret it. Cold forging is just taking a metal that is close enough to the shape you want it to be and beating the shit out of it with hammers until it IS the shape you want. In this case, taking an iron bar or billet or ingot or whatever and smashing it into the shape of an axe head or dagger blade. As long as the iron wasn't melted or heated to its max that's basically what cold iron is. Also technically, wrought iron is the most babby version of steel. So if you've got some freaky fairies fucking around on your private property, just hit it with a fuckin skillet. As long as it isn't cast iron.
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>>6395274
I think Tywin would rather choke on his pie and stab himself trying to get it out than feel proud of his brother who had a bastard daughter from a commoner. At most his teeth grinding might be slightly less loud than usual
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>>6395289
It would be nice of him, but I think you'd have to give the Iron Throne itself to the Lannisters for him to show such an extreme level of care and emotion. That mans heart is colder than an other's ass, like as far as this quest goes his only positive comment to Jason has been "well done" and that was when he was 10.
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>>6395273
I mean, that one idea from earlier in the thread might still work if we don't want Jason to get spanked by Tywin for running away.
The heroic return arriving in Kings Landing rather than Lannisport would mean we could go to Robert for protection. Tywin wouldn't be able to drag us off and enact house arrest without publicly embarrassing the House.
It just depends on how long we could make excuses to stay at the Capitol. Maybe say we're studying courtly intrigue under Varys?
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>>6395435
Like someone pointed out before, its unclear how much protection Robert would give us. Tywin helped Robert a lot, and the queen is Cersei.
I think even if we go to Robert .... we should still go for the idea of creating our own protection before returning to Westeros. A sizable retinue at least. Ironborn reavers, sellswords, hedgeknights anyone that would be willing to serve us. If we can return in glory and riches from Valyria, we would have the coin and prestige for attract protection, and Tyrion, Asha and Humfrey could help in this regard in some way or another. Creating a layer of safety around our future family would be ideal. If not a fortress of safety.
>Maybe say we're studying courtly intrigue under Varys?
That would be funny, not sure Varys does any education for nobles.
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>>6395445
Yeah I just don't wanna give Tywin a chance to bother us before we are secure, especially since that is specifically what has Asha unsure of having children yet.
>Leave Valyria
>Go to Iron Islands to brag and flex
>Worst case, Asha secures a portion of the fleet for us to launch a privateering business
>We go to King's Landing and flex more before moving on to whatever we want to do next, away from Tywin's express jurisdiction
That would probably be ok... Better would be:
>Leave Valyria
>Go to Iron Islands to brag and flex
>Best case, Asha does a Salt Husband on us and impresses the horde and we end up with the Seastone Throne and full Iron Fleet
I genuinely think this is what we should hope for - if it isn't Asha's plan already (which it kind of seems like based on her convo with Oberyn and internal monologue) - I think Jason should push her to claim the throne in order to shore up our power as a couple.
>Sell the fleet's service as privateers in the Narrow Sea to stack some quick cash and establish a mercenary company to let lower lords rent in order to crush bandits and the like or help settle petty wars/feuds
>Then go to King's Landing, brag and flex more
>Continue to grow our military apparatus while doing whatever it is we want to do next
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>>6395464
Definitely, I just don't wanna do it without a host of ornery Ironborn who would shed blood and at the least cause a diplomatic incident if Tywin decides to fuck with us. He can talk all the shit he wants, dress us down, glare, whatever - but I don't want him thinking he is able to make executive decisions about where our kids go, or how they're raised, or whether we are allowed to leave Casterly Rock for our own purposes, or when, or how.
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>>6395469
A plausible excuse we could make to Tywin at King's Landing is we still have some treasures on the ship we would like to keep secret and transfer ourselves to Casterly Rock. The less people that know about it the better sort of thing. Then we could sail around, make a pit stop at the Iron Islands. Which depending on what we find might very well be true.
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>>6395464
No matter where we go the king WILL want to host a tourney in honour of our expedition. Robert is simply that kinda guy, so I think we can have our Kings Landing foray when that happens.
I honestly want to stay as far away from that accursed city as much as possible. Varys and Littlefinger are threats we have no way of surmounting without having an overwhelming force behind us. And their mummers rivalry is a smokescreen, they collude often and are practically partners.
Varys specifically is beyond dangerous. He even played Tyrion like a fool when he was hand of the king, and he'd play us all the more easily.
If we are able lets stay the fuck away from those big intrigue players. Especially Varys. There is a good amount of evidence he is a magic user. You don't use the term "Old powers" unless you are involved.
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>>6395475
I do believe Varys is some kind of illusionist. Even beyond his mundane abilities of disguise. I think even the knowledge that he can do mummery and pretend to be other people is a smokescreen to hide his genuine magical powers of a glamor. Though that's probably just me being paranoid kek.
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>>6395470
Maybe, but he might also just say 'That's fine, here is an escort of ships loaded with Lannister soldiers, and here is a cadre of Lannister guards to follow you around and since you're headed back to the Rock I think your children should stay here with me, I would like to introduce them to their future spouses.'
I'm thinking very much of how he canonically pulls the strings on not just his children marrying - like Tyrion and Sansa, or Cersei and Loras - but also his grandchildren. It's ultimately his decision to court the Tyrell's through Joffrey, and keep that commitment with Tommen. Without some swords in our back pocket, it'd just be way too easy for him to physically overpower us, should we be disobedient or defiant. I'd rather not give him the chance, and take the opportunity to let Jason grow a big juicy spine and say, 'No actually, my wife is the Reaver Queen, we have Reaver stuff to do, plus I went to college instead of the usual Lordly gap year. Now I have all this magic swag so I am going on a quick world tour to meet the other heirs of great houses and flaunt my shit. I'll be back at the rock in a while, smell ya then.'
That's how I'd vote/write-in, anyways. I don't want Tywin taking the Hound, or going after Tyrion, or trying to 'mold' (or barter with) our kids, or anything else of the sort.
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>>6395478
If the Swan Ship and Dara survive I was thinking we put any kids on it and since they are ostensibly independent agents they could just tell everyone to fuck off they aren't coming aboard and leave with the kids. Without telling anyone they are on there of course. Or that there are kids at all. They can make a stop somewhere and reconnect with Asha.
Alternatively just insist to Tywin that the treasure should not be known to common men, any, until it is secure. He'd probably want to go see it after so emphatically saying that "Naw, these muhfuggas CAN NOT be trusted if they know about it." of course. But if it were a book or scroll or tablet written in High Valyrian he probably wouldn't be able to read if it was like a fucking shopping list or something and we can claim it's a secret about dragons or something. Sure we'd be lying to Tywin and trying to pull one over on him but his blind ambition might blind him with possibilities. It's all calculated. It's just all a series of long shots. The sheer boldness of Jason might also surprise him even after coming back from Hell-island-with-fries-and-drink.
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>>6395457
More or less what i have in mind, just that i would start partially already in Volantis.
Thats why I didn't just mention Arya, which could probably attract Ironborns in the east to Volantis.
Tyrion and Humfrey could get us some men as well : one would known who to pick in Volantis after having spent here multiple months (and likely having taken some sellswords for protection naturally), and the other would be an accomplished and heroic westerosi knight which would attract any lance and sword without a master in Westeros.
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>>6395481
I wonder if there's some way to spin it so that Tywin at least acknowledges the benefits of what Jason is doing.
Frame it as "Father, I'm not going to let the world push me around anymore, and that includes you. How can I possibly stand up to the enemies of The Westerlands if I can't even stand up to you?"
If Jason shows that he has what it takes in order to defy Tywin, then he is ready to handle a lot of what the enemies of House Lannister can throw at him.
Yes, Tywin is still going to be pissed that we are wasting resources and that we could accomplish so much more by just doing what he tells us, but at least his son won't have grown up to be the laughing stock of the Great Houses, which has thus far been Tywin's biggest fear.
Even if Jason acts like an "impulsive, unruly, irresponsible heir", he is certainly nothing like his grandfather.
The question then becomes how Tywin will react in response. Will he treat the whole thing like a negotiation the way he did to Jamie with Tyrion's trial? At that point I guess it becomes a game of give and take. Jason makes some concessions on the condition that Tywin doesn't cross certain lines (his wife and children). If Tywin is uncompromising? We have to use what leverage we have in order to convince Tywin that it would be a bad idea; threaten to run away again, threaten to ruin House Lannister's name (publicly admit to what Cersei + Jamie are up to?), threaten to never have children, etc
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I have prepared a schizo rant about magic history. It was about 7000 characters long. I decided it would be kinder to put it as an image than to post 3 times in a row. But I will be sharing it, for funsies. I am just a little buzzed so if it doesn't make sense, it is because I am stupid, not because I am drunk kek If anyone is having trouble reading it I can resize it and play around with the dimensions. Or just let it rot. Whichever would be preferred. The dimensions are pretty big.
>>6395559
I imagine Tywin would say something along the lines of "You don't need to stand up to me because *I* know what's best you foolish, simple boy." but I bet he would appreciate the idea that Jason is willing to actually do things and display competence. Naturally he would want to temper Jason's simple approach to things and try to force him to learn how to think five steps ahead instead of just one or two.
I do figure his response would be him trying to browbeat Jason, and if that failed, then negotiating. But if THAT failed then he'd probably just skip to the table-chaining. WITHOUT the cushion on the seat, for being difficult y'see.
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>>6395574
Very cool and in-depth schizoid rant anon! I think I agree with most of the stuff here. After Dany's dragons are born and the red comet passes by, it seems to fuel magic to no longer need blood sacrifice, as that pyromancer that made a flaming ladder didn't kill a person to make it nor does the glass candle of Marwyn the Mage require it.
I think the Doom was orchestrated by the faceless men tho. Something similar happened in hardhome, the only city the wildlings had. I think that was a test run for what the faceless men did to Valyria.
One thing I disaggree with is that Tywins approach being considered in any way complex. The guy orchestrated the Red Wedding, setting the precedent of guest right going into the gutter is not a move someone who can think far ahead would make. The guy is too blinded by the concept of legacy to see what sort of legacy he is actually building
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>>6395633
Oh I am sure the Faceless men had something to do with the Doom, but I don't think that's the whole of it. They were definitely killing the shit out of the pyromancers, the blood mages, anyone even standing near the mines and pits if they weren't slaves, absolutely. But the Faceless Men never seem to have the capability to cause quite the same level of FUCK that the Doom does on a long term. It's not just that Valyria exploded, which the Faceless Men more than likely caused, it's that the land is cursed a thousand times over, is full of crazy shit and horrible monsters. The Blood Magic obviously cursed the land, which decided "Fuck you forever" was an appropriate response. Hardhome exploded and burned for some months. Valyria has been in a state of perpetual fucked for over four centuries. That shit ain't normal. Something is fueling it to this day. Which has to be a curse from the land itself or the gods. Especially since if it were just more volcanic shenanigans going on, it would have made more, larger islands. But there is no indication of that. The land is still shattered, no new mass is being added to the islands, it still just burns. The Faceless Men couldn't do that, they were killers of the highest caliber, yes, and with sorcerous knowledge, but they were not supremely powerful wizards. The catalysts of the event but not the seemingly eternal curse.
The Faceless Men could have done Hardhome, yeah, but it also doesn't quite add up. To kill all those people for no reason? Not their M.O. you know? Now if it weren't intentional? That would track. But I can't imagine they would blunder like that, they are unbelievably precise and careful. There is also the suggestion that it was a gayop by the maesters. But I don't quite buy that one, either. The Maesters are certainly lying bastards who want to present a very curated form of history, but they wouldn't really benefit from blowing up Hardhome, either. Even i it led to Wildlings becoming a greater threat in the future, with the Wall it's hard to feel unsafe. Much like the French before WW2 thinking the Maginot was completely unbreakable. Why worry about those Germans, right?
It's definitely a mystery. It could have just been a genuine natural disaster and maybe that inspired the Faceless Men on how to dispose of Valyria FOR GOOD kek.
And I thought the Red Wedding was Walder's or Bolton's idea, it just had Tywin's stamp of approval? I forget off the top of my head. Which, granted, still makes Tywin an idiot for backing it but still. But it DID absolutely cripple the North and lay the blame primarily on the Freys. Which if Tywin kept his involvement completely secret would have been an absolute genius 700 IQ play. Since the only people who could know about Lannister involvement were either dead, missing, or had no evidence besides their word and they were few and far between. But I might be misremembering. Aside from Walder and Bolton, of course. And their men.
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>>6395633
Oh SHIT yeah you just reminded me, another one of the crackpot theories I like is that some of the tunnels under the house of black and white actually go to Valyria. Just some long fucking tunnel system that pops up here and there along Essos but gets into the guts of Valyria. Likely long since defunct and collapsed because of the Doom. But the idea amuses the hell out of me. Despite the fact that the Faceless Men wouldn't need it to get in, what with the face magic.
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>>6395644
The faceless men worship the god of death and are pretty indiscriminate about who they give that death to. The first 'gift' they gave was to a slave, then a slavemaster. They don't have too much morality to speak off, and have plenty of method to want to destroy Valyria.
Valyria itself is a lot more cursed than Hardhome, but I believe that is more of a result of the Valyrians using blood magic to keep the 14 flames dormant. Their mages were maintaining the flames diligently, and if they were to die all at the same time (thanks to whatever the faceless men did) the flames would explode and Valyrians sorcery would mix into the land.
Speaking of it is my theory but I think the faceless men know a bit of Valyrian magic. I believe Hardhome was them testing the spells they stole from their infiltration of Valyria, and the Doom was at least in part the full deployment of those stolen spells.
Another reason why Valyria is so cursed besides the very active 14 volcanoes there is because their spells (both the Valyrian cast ones and Faceless Men cast ones) are still running but in a diminished or corrupted way due to not having any mages to maintain them. Kinda like a magical nuclear reactor meltdown, the reactor is still doing what it was designed to do but wayyyy beyond the parameters.
About Tywin, the Red Wedding was absolutely his idea, it fits his modus opperandi perfectly. It solved the problem of the north rebelling in the short term, every party involved immediately declaring their support for the Lannister throne, and the Bolton's being declared wardens of the north. It is more of a deal offered to the Freys and Boltons than something they presented to Tywin and just got his seal to do it. Especially since a lot of Lannisters got wed to the Freys afterwards (which also showed the entire realm that Lannisters were %100 behind it), Tywin would not do that if he had another option considering his trauma with Genna being wed to the Freys.
And it isn't a 600 iq move. Sure it ended the war in the short term, but the north immediately started several conspiracies to put the Starks back in power and the Lannisters created a blood feud with the largest client kingdom in the land permanently. Just like how the Dornish want the lannisters completely dead because Tywin doesn't see past immediate power and cannot imagine the rammifications of his actions, the same is true for the north after the Red Wedding.
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>>6395657
Oh I don't mean to sound like they have an ethical problem with it, I just mean that mass casualty events is something we never see them do as far as I am aware. As a consequence of their actions, sure, but I can't remember them ever actually like, blow shit up and kill a hundred people just to get one guy and his stable or something, right? This could just be me not knowing all the stuff they get up to, I admit. Just that they were primarily killing Valyrians instead of their slaves by the time they'd got up to do the Doom shit. They'd already been out of Valyria and hiding in Braavos for a good long while since then. So they'd have less incentives to kill the slaves than the masters at that point.
That's part of what I mean by "nature curses the unnatural". As if the world itself won't let the corruption go. Just like how the Others haven't faded away after thousands of years beyond the Wall just chillin since they still want to kill the Children of the Forest and likely claim all the Weirwoods that have since been corrupted by blood magic. Which requires them to go down to the eye of the gods and the isle of faces. You'd think after SO MUCH TIME they wouldn't care any more but they still seem to be driven by that singular purpose to move south and get past the wall. Despite the fact that eventually their winter will fade back into summer and force them to retreat again. It seems like the planet itself simply won't allow the corruption of Valyria to fade, so that none might ever live there again. A land forbidden for its hubris. Just like it won't let the Others disappear until whatever it is they want to do is done. Of course this is somewhat anthropomorphizing magic and the world which is most likely an overreach.
Ah right, the marriages. I did forget about that lmao. Silly me. I'm dumb.
But the Starks themselves were, as far as anyone was aware, almost completely eradicated or accounted for. And the rest of the Nothern houses getting buttfucked by Ironborn and the Boltons. Arya was gone but they lied and said they had her since no one had seen hide nor hair of her for a long while, they thought Cat was dead which is true but uh not forever, Jon took the Black and ended up stabbed presumably to death, Benjen was presumed dead, Bran and Rickon were presumed dead, The only loose end really was Sansa since no one knew where she was and she vanished rather recently. It was extremely solid all things considered, and Tywin was likely working behind the scenes to find and kill the last two Stark girls. He pretty much did "win". The minor houses of the North might hold grudges, but with the Boltons on his side there wasn't much they could do because of how strong they were. At least not without weakening themselves too much. And they had little political capital since the North mostly kept to itself.
He didn't make the same mistake he did with the Rebellion with how he dealt with the Starks. It was pretty solid.
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>>6395559
One way or the other, the "whole work with father" is a dying idea even in Jason mind. And this idea will likely cease to exist next meeting with Tywin, at the first words he says. Tywin while we and Tyrion where away was bottling up his rage, dissapointment and hatred at having his control be broken. No matter what we bring home (death, disease, PTSD, a modern citizen of Oros, some treasures, ancient books somehow, ancient wargear, artifacts, our kids with Asha, valyrian steel wargear, ancient magical books, Brightroar, Tommen bones, our new retinue, an intact human sized dragonlord statue of the finest marble and art, a fresh demon skull, a wonderful and perfectly preserved banner of the Freehold, free demonic possession, a kraken youngling, whole intact pieces of stone taken from different ruins, 3 ships worth of well preserved treasures, a dragonlord golden laurels with 100% pure gems bigger than a finger, the only alive copy of a complete treaty about ancient architecture schools written by a legendary renowed ancient valyrian scholar, a modern citizen of Valyria City etc....) this will not change. It cannot fix things, because Tywin would want everything to have gone his planned way. The extreme anomaly that was the Valyria Expedition cannot be removed from Tywin mind. There must be a breaking point with Jason, and far sooner there will be one with Tyrion.
With Asha things are already broken, she wants Tywin very dead.
>>6395574
Quite long and interesting. Not sure I want to find that or start opening up people for using magic though.
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>>6395672
I want a magic rock. It would go nicely with our collection. Just a little one. Size of a fingernail. Lil guy. But yeah. Probably for the best we don't go full warlock. Never go full warlock.
Surely, SURELY, dad would give us a hug if we brought him back Brightroar AND a suit of Valyrion armor. Before or after he slaps the shit out of us. Maybe if we brought him an old crown of the Valyrian Freehold? He'll love us. He'll say it. Bet.
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>>6395676
Yep. The results are visible across the world for going that way.
>He'll love us. He'll say it. Bet.
>"J-jason i -hrugh- am almost pro--RAAARGH- to call you my so-HQAAACK" Tywin brain and hearth explode at the same time
>Jason gets up from his latest nightmarish vision after the Valyria Expedition
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>>6395664
I think you're underestimating the culture of the North a bit. In the TV show the north vaguely reminisces but in the books the north remembers. The Manderlies, The Karstarks and many other noble houses genuinely hate the Lannisters due to the events of the Red Wedding, and they even know the wereabouts of Rickon and send Davos to grab him and also have plots going to rescue Jeyne Poole (who is disguised as Arya Stark) from Ramsay Bolton, who she was wed to legitimise the Boltons. Like the Starks are largely missing but even if they were all dead the entire north would remain an enemy.
About the faceless men, in any other case you'd be right that they don't prefer mass casualty events but to wipe out Valyria off the map? I bet you they'd give the gift of death to millions if it meant they could do that
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>>6395687
Is an incomplete loot list, but an interesting and tempting one. We could probably make a far longer list of loot and dangers of Valyria. The place has a lot going.
>valyrian steel scale mail
Oh sure if we find it. Should look very different in style than what is seen around today Westeros and Essos. Ancient Valyria seems very fantastical but also inspired by ancient romans and greeks.
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>>6395690
Valyria is inspired by the Romans and the myths of Atlantis, but style vise they are unlike anything in the real world especially in the architecture department. As far as I know we don't really have any descriptions of the things they wore, and Eurons (maybe, he claims it is) valyrian steel scale armour looks pretty normal.
Whatever we find will probably have dragons plastered all over tho, judging from dragonstone at least.
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>>6395691
Yeah very likely. They love their dragons
Also found out a artist doing a lot of ASOIAF images (even old valyria), and an animation about old valyrians. The animation is nothing advanced but I am surprised anyone made anything about them like this. Outside of official stuff i mean. Links under
https://x.com/debustee/status/2010388152985497969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVFDOdhVAJg
>>6395763
Eh give him his time, LannisterQm has shown us to be very dedicated, attentive and writes plenty. He already told us the incoming update its taking him some time and its not small.
My suggestion check other quests meanwhile.
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Yeah sorry, I’ve gotten little writing done due to various things. I am currently writing up the early part of the update still, where I focus on the planning to the first entrance into the Doom. Mainly speaking on the angle of approach and the issues while also expanding on Old Valyria’s magical infrastructure and how it currently makes the Doom more deadly by existing.
Will the post be big enough to warrent the time I’m taking? Probs not, but I’m gonna try and make it good since well, the doom requires I get very creative to live up to its hype.
Been loving the discussions going on in the background though.
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>>6395794
It reminds me of old TG, before the nannies were rousing and angered, cursed those upon whom lingered and made diminished to merethose precious few who flew unto the land of Qst and made it so, by their momentum and same fag's did dominate the lands and form the Venerable institutions of house take 3, lords d20 and d100s, house crit and house narrative, served by their branch house drawfag.
But I forget myself.
Not all was lost, for there were
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>>6395794
Take your time bro, bunch of QMs have been slowed up by meatspace lately (Bananas, Detect, Pea, Sloucho off the top of my head).
Your updates have been increasingly high quality and the board is slow. We can be patient.
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>>6395794
Its fine bud don't worry. We will talk about more about the expedition, what we could expect in dangers or loot, where to go, or just wait for you really.
I kinda wonder if the dead are also cursed in Valyria. I don't remember, but i guess anything that isnt burned could be part of abominations or demons around. Keeping them alive and not so alive. A fitting punishment. Might be a problem for looting if their properties are also cursed.
In regard to looting there might not a problem, in terms of quantity. There might be too much of it even (Valyria had become exceptionally rich and urbanized at their height, even their commoners had probably good opportunities for get rich some way : trade, high quality artisans, minor administrative tasks or the ever demanding Freehold military. Or they would have gone out becoming settlers in the Freehold Dominion [even Dragonstone that was at first just a military outpost was getting commoners valyrians for settle it. Among its modern native population some valyrian traits are not unfamiliar and neither traditions. Albeit now is heavily influenced by the Crownlands]). Mostly the problems for looting would be : quality, dangers inbetween, reaching the loot and then extract it.
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>>6395678
>"Jason... I... lllloo... llluurrr... I looww... you did well."
FUCK!
>>6395680
I'll be real, I have no idea what point I was trying to make yesterday kek
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I feel like the Valyrian style would be a mix of eastern and Mediterranean or middle eastern (more persian than arab) since they seem to be most commonly depicted with robes in casual wear. Their armor on the high end seems to be vaulted plate sort of deal, which you can find in really old Greek examples though they are far more crude, but also in some old Chinese as well I think. Which to be fair, stuff like scale mail will always look a bit "normal" no matter where it's from. The differences between them usually is a matter of how the scales are affixed underneath. Which can mean a different overlapping pattern on top. But there are also things like banded armor and mirror armor and all sorts of stuff. The Valyrians had at least some anachronism going on with their war gear just to make it fantasy cool. Which is pretty neat. It means you could have shit like European full plate or you can say they were rocking a Greek muscle cuirass.
But generally I would expect some scale mail, lamellar, some laminar, ringmail and plated mail(not to be confused with plate mail). But with the anachronism it really is a case of "pick something cool" since it's not like we're gonna see a lot of it because Valyria as a nation is long gone. Unless we find a mural or historical warfare treatise still intact in some ruins.
>>6395794
I wouldn't worry about hype or anything. Just focus on what your vision is. Chasing hype is a losing battle because the better you do the higher it goes kek. I'm just happy to be here.
>>6395797
I was there, Anondalf. I was there three thousand years ago. I was there the day the strength of Jannies fell.
>>6395798
There do seem to be a lot of things going down lately, huh? Must have something to do with summer rolling in.
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The loot that survives would probably be extraordinarily well protected from the elements to survive in the first place. Books and scrolls are unlikely to remain, sadly. Unless they were contained in a nice partially sealed glass case that somehow didn't explode during the DOOOOOOOOOM. But it would likely be unbelievably fragile and crumbly. The best bet we have for information would be murals, slates, and reliefs. Piece that shit together like an archaeologist finding shattered vases in the sands of Syria or something. But it'd be pretty easy to check if we found anything made of Valyrian steel. Since we could just hit it really hard and if it didn't break, it's probably that.
You know the more I think about it the more I think people are going to assume anyone who survives this expedition is cursed just for having gone there. An entire expedition of Ash-striders or Doom-seekers. Some sort of cautionary pejorative.
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I just saw another theory about the moon and the Empire of the Dawn, which I think is also really neat, so I'll post it here. But it's also longer than 3000 characters so I'll just screenshot it as well.
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>>6395843
Cool theory, but all the legends say the bloodstone emperor started the long night by worshipping a stone that fell from the sky and betraying his sister the amethyst empress. I think betrayal plays a huge part in triggering the long night, since it seems to be connected to actions as much as celestial events.
That stone that fell from the sky is in Stygia so it could not be immediately after it fell that the long night started, since there was time to build a city around it. And certain things survived the long night as well, like the church of starry wisdom which the bloodstone emperor is said to have created and Asshai, which similar to the bloodstone emperors use of forbidden magics continues to practice all types of magic freely and openly.
I think Asshai was the capital city of the Golden Empire of the Dawn. The size of it only makes sense then. I dont think it was named after the Azor Ahai tho, that must've come after since that would make it younger than the five forts. I think those forts were built during the long night, and ghost grass is something that spread during the long night as well.
Idk tho, the lore on this is intentionally vague
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>>6395977
It definitely takes some liberties with the timeline. And even though it cuts out some context surrounding events it still serves as a decent This Then That framing for a sort of cyclical event. If we did take it at face value that "moon piece fall, long night follows" then it wouldn't account for non-moon objects like the red comet which is presumably not part of the moon, but potentially could be. But also things like the piece of debris that fell from space where the Daynes settled Starfall and made Dawn from it. Unless that event happened simultaneously with the Empire of the Dawn's Long Night or with the Bloodstone Emperor's Long Night it should have had its own Long Night, which it didn't. And we also know Starfall is not that old so it doesn't add up there.
But it would reinforce the idea that celestial events either foreshadow or can influence the coming of a Long Night. Which may indicate a misattribution of the Bloodstone Emperor's evil deeds as a sort of caution tale when it misses that the stone itself was the cause and not his actions.
I do lean more toward the idea that the Bloodstone Emperor's actions are what truly cause that Long Night. Since it would reinforce the magical and fantastical nature of the world. If it were just solely attributable to the motion of celestial bodies you can put it down to a science and suck all the mystery out of it. Which kind of spits in the face of fantasy. Even though I am wont to search for answers and proofs to make sense of every aspect of a world. Having unasnwerable questions is kind of essential to the truly fantastical.
But yeah, the lore is massively vague kek. Thousands of years of history, multiple apocalyptic events, wars, disasters, hubris, all obscure the truth. And since our lore is most often delivered as an in universe perception it has to deal with those layers. Couple with the fact Martin frequently says maybe or no to things and either runs them back or was lying from the start to keep certain things a surprise means even he can't be a concrete source. Yet still we imagine and still we seek the truth. It's fun.
There is TOTALLY a magic fucking rock at Starfall though even after they took the metal out of it for Dawn. GODDAMN YOU TYWIN FOR MAKING DORNE A NO-GO ZONE FOR US WITH THE DECISIONS YOU'VE MADE now we can't just ask to go look at it. An autist denied his rock, his special interest! lmao
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Update update, I'm close to the end and am at 4k words and 22k characters.
Checking in with you guys, I was going to fast track into the first landing and you guys moving into the largest eastern landmass of the Doom.
Plan is for you to go in there and discover the remnants of old expeiditions, discover some of the horrors that lie on the land and in it, andall that jazz.
Before I got to deep i wanted to check in with y'all one what sort of choices you'de like to see in this expedition and the like, cause I want it to be fun but there is only so much I can do in Old valyria before I need to move the story along.
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>>6396129
>what sort of choices you'de like to see in this expedition and the like
Probably choices between digging through the ash to find ruins or trying to enter the ruins of one of the towers valyria is famous for having, how to run from some crazy thing hunting us, choosing between knowledge or wargear from some sort of cache guarded by a monster or in the split seconds before a ruin collapses. Stuff like that seems pretty engaging. Collecting the big rock or a bunch of little rocks. Just Autist Things.
>>6396131
>bang asha
>despite all odds the kid is born with the Pure Blood trait
>does the Strengthen Bloodline decision and grants our house a Legacy buff
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>>6396129
Save Banging Asha to leaving time. Fucking cursed.
>Choices
Types of ruins to inspect, knowledge or wargear as already suggested, fight high risk high reward dragon monster or study structures,
Give us a magical field that we have to figure out how to disrupt perhaps
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>>6396129
>what sort of choices you'de like to see
Hmm, thanks for asking! Here are some ideas I have in mind for kinds of encounters or dilemmas that I would find interesting:
>Detecting dangers from far off and having to decide between combat with Creatures or traversing hazardous terrain/buildings
>Navigating ruins that allow us to flex our architectural skills to proceed - for example, being able to recognize where a hidden entrance might be, or being able to estimate the scale and orientation of chambers we are yet to enter based on our ability to look at support structures or layout in areas we are in or have moved through, etc
>Having to triage or reorient our expedition following an injury to us or someone in the crew
>Attempting to rally or corral the crew due to panic caused by Valyrian horrors - maybe having to pick between a fear or inspiration based approach, with pros and cons to either
>Interfacing with something that induces a prophetic vision or maybe 'dragon dream'
The last is a big narrative decision, but it could be helpful to the game in a few ways. It could let you foreshadow original plot points you have cooked up for Jason, that aren't part of the canon story, and/or could let you foreshadow some of the future canon events. Considering how knowledgeable a lot of us are about the 'story' of ASOIAF, giving Jason a heads up or two could help reconcile some of the incidental metagaming.
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>>6396134
To expand a little on my last point - some indication of what the future holds, whether its canon or OC, could be a much needed impetus for Jason to change, specifically in the way that's suited to this game format. He gets some intuition that X tragedy will occur, or that Y family member is fucking up. Then we as players can later on vote on how Jason wants to prepare for that. A lot of us already seem on a similar page about solidifying power or leaning into Asha's possible claim on her throne. Maybe you have designs that defy or dovetail with those expectations. If we get a vision of a kraken drowning a stag, maybe we ultimately decide to intercept Stannis' invasion of the Blackwater and become War Heroes(tm). Food for thought!
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>>6396129
>what sort of choices you'de like to see
Ooohh, thank you for asking QM!
Hmm, I guess it depends on whether or not we'll have to start making rolls to determine the outcomes of our choices? In which case, there'd be the cautious/normal/reckless dilemma where the safe bet has less loot but lower consequences whilst the gamblers pick has greater rewards with higher risk.
Another set of choices might be to decide on the priority of what our expedition is searching for. Do we ONLY search for Brightroar and nothing else? If so then maybe the journey doesn't take as long, but we return home with nothing else, if we even find it to begin with. Do we search for stone tablets and information on magic? If so then we'd need to go to the most dangerous locations, but at least it'd be obvious where to look. Do we search for regular old treasure such as gold and jewels? Perhaps it might be the safest option, but the downside is that we already have access to plenty of that as a Lannister; it'd only be useful for getting enough money to defy Tywin.
May I also humbly request that every choice also includes an option of: (go with what Asha says)
Yes, I want Jason to be able to make his own decisions, but that's in regards to ruling the Westerlands. Out here on an adventure is the type of leadership that Asha has been denied for the last 3 years of her life. She'll both want and need the experience as a captain if she wants to earn loyalty from the Ironborn. Maybe we'll also earn some relationship points with her if we're lucky.
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>>6396131
No.
>>6396129
Choices should be like this in my opinion:
>Which major ruins to go towards
This would signify which region and direction of Valyria we go towards to. And you can differentiate what could we do there and what could we find.
>Decisions of approach of expedition
This can be a leadership talk of Gerion, Jason, Asha. Organizing how we will move when disembarked with Humfrey and Dara, Deciding which "beach" the boats will go to with Arya and Sarella, who stays at the boats and who goes. Etc..
>Decisions during the expedition
This can range from stopping to investigate more recent wrecks for signs of ancient lannister weapons/armors (fill a visible meter to get close to Tommen), to keep going toward a mansion, or for enter in the remnants of a city (and inside there do we go toward a palace with boiling lava, a desolate tower where strong winds are constant or a temple filled by silence). But it can also be what we do if x crewman is wounded/disease? Or where do we make camp if we arent near the boats? And after a night there do we march back because we are afraid of something ? What about this week rations of food and water ?
>Dangers encounters
Dangers encounters vary, there is both the natural : the sea, the treacherous terrain, the broken coasts, the gasses and fumes, the ash, the earthquakes, the boiling lava and fires. And the unnatural : curses, ghosts, monsters, abominations, the horrors of the doom, demons. Depending on who is with Jason, and where the expedition is found different solutions will be available for survive/avoid the dangers in front of them. Not everything might go smoothly though.
>The loot
The loot and the many different types of it should have some issues : how much of it can be taken ? Is it safe ? how long does it take ? Is this loot of good quality/good conditions ? How much loot is the expedition already carrying ? How much loot was already placed at the temporary camp ? What about the ship ? Loot is opportunity for what it means going back with it. But its also a possible danger and problem to deal with. Moving with all the expedition having 10 new kilos of stuff on their back seems small at first, but suddenly after 3 hours of walking its not. There are still more hours to get back in the boats, and the backline has just heard an inhuman scream.
>>6394679
Major ruins of Valyria
>>6395672
A few simple ideas for loot and dangers
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>>6396129
Ah i also expect certain elements of the expedition connected with Jason architecture. While we are searching for treasures of any kind we can find : heritage (Brightroar), mundane and magical, stuff that Jason would be interested about with Architecture would be cool for Jason to have the opportunity to obtain or interact with.
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The preparation for the final approach took a week, as you did not want to leave anything to chance. Every pound of supplies, every second planning, every scrap of information gathered was a disaster averted, a death postponed. You studied the size of the islands, you studied old maps from before the doom fell upon Valyria, you studied the shift in fishing routes and trade routes that occurred after the doom.
“The tides and currents changed,” you said idly in your Solar, the Manse being equipped with more than one as Tyrion was working in his own Solar to set up his own connections as a trader.
Asha looked to you from a map she had been placing pins on, raising her brow. “That bad?”
You nodded, showing her the old trade routes compared to the modern ones “ Before the doom, The Valyrian Freehold had multiple natural and artificial rivers and canals that allowed trade ships to pass through at frightening speed. If records are to be believed, one could use it to cross the entirety of the freehold in a single day, if speed was your only concern. There is even mention of a great water way, an artificial channel carved into the landscape by dragon fire and slaves that could allow fleets of ships of all sizes to move up and down its length, half the river flowing east and the other west.” You said, seeing an artistic depiction of such a waterway, its width cutting a city in two, yet bridges arching over it covered in spires and manses. From what you could tell, the Freehold was highly urbanized, with food imported in from beyond or grown via their magic in the pockets dedicated to such practices.
“Think we could use that to get to the deeper ruins?” Asha asked, watching as you wrote down notes, random thoughts about the construction of such a city as well as mathematic formulas.
You shook your head “No, such a thing, if it still exists, would have been a massive undertaking to maintain with both magic and mundane means. If it still existe, it’s likely a death trap of whirlpools, waves that pull ships below, or surges that will dash anything brave enough to try against rocks and ruins. Not to mention the numerous bridges along its length, which will either block the flow entirely or litter the length with invisible barges of stone and rock that will tear a ship’s belly open. No, the best we can get is a clear idea of where to avoid. “ you said, marking the waterway between Oros and Tyria with an X. “Which means our best bet I think is to come from the south.” You say, showing a path that entered from the southern most water way.
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Asha drew an X there “No, that’s a bad one. Checking the maps and coastal weather, that’s where a cluster of volcanos used to be. It’ll be a breeding ground for Kraken, not to mention the ash and smoke.”
You cursed, rubbing your chin as you analyzed your options for the expedition “What about the southwestern landmass, south of Aquos Dhaen?” You said, pointing at said location. “The old maps show that there were numerous rivers that would allow deeper exploration, ones that show no history of having been improved like the great water way between Oros and Tyria, and it was far enough away from any of the major volcanos that there may be less fire. And the twin mountain will likely help shield us from the harsher weather.”
Asha looked over the suggestion, then nodded. “Sounds good to me, but we’re going to want to modify the ship so that we can have a place we can breathe, as well as cover the deck of the ship to avoid burning ash.” she said, you leaning back and thinking over the problem.
“It’ll be tough to do that without trapping any of the fumes from the water, but I’m sure we’ll figure something out. Sailors should have figured out some tricks to avoid the dangers while passing by the doom or getting close to it.” You said, you and asha agreeing to reconvene later.
With these initial steps planned, you set to work to gather materials and information about the environmental dangers surrounding the doom while Asha worked on the cog in order to make the below decks air tight and able to provide fresh or at the very least clean air. You located a supplier for copper, one that had it in excess and had the ability to mass produce platting. Using the remainder of the expedition's funds that were not set aside for Tyrion to invest and begin trading with, both the Iron Lion and the Expectant Lover had the bottom of their hull fully coppered. The process was massively expensive, and increased the weight of the ships significantly, however copper would provide a water tight seal that was both heat resistant and, due to the natural chemical reactions, create a barrier against whatever foul sea life existed in the doom, at least the parasites.
This was also done to as much of the ship’s hull as possible, to protect more of it as well strengthen the hull. The shipweights called you a fool, saying that such a thing would rust and degrade within short order and would have to be replaced, but you did not care because it only needed to last long enough for the expedition.
After that it was a matter of finding fabrics and cloth that was fine enough to serve as filters for breathing that the crew could use, as well as covering for the entire body to avoid accidental exposure to anything within the Doom such as acid, scalding water, or diseases such as greyscale. It would be uncomfortable, but it was widely agreed that it was better to be sweating like a pig than dying like one.
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Something you spent much of your time on however, was something that kept to yourself. Etched into the plating of both ships, you personally carved runes from the first men in. Runes you had studied in the citadel, runes you had studied under Marwyn. Each one was carved with your full focus, each was carved with the story of Royce's bronze armor spoken to it, each one was spoken allowed in the tongue of the first men. You stuck with basic ideas, not asking for much. Shelter from heat, shelter from pests, protection from sickness. You did not ask for total protection, you did not ask for invincibility, you asked for fortification against the elements.
On each one, you bled, calling upon your lineage as a Lannister, as kings of the rock, as Heir to the Rock.
You felt no magic, but it made you feel better.
Soon it was time to set sail, and the entirety of the expedition gathered in the Lannister Manse to share drinks and prepare themselves for the hardships ahead. Wine flowed, food kept being served, and Tyrion even managed to find prostitutes that were not slaves, though they were far more expensive. You appreciated the effort even if you made no move to partake.
Eventually, your Uncle Gerion stood up. He had helped where he could, but his aide was the kind that was hard to measure. Sharing drinks with shipweights, letting dock hands slap his back in laughter, sharing stories of knightly valor to bored triarchs, he had talked and joked and entertained in order to clear the path forward. He used this charismatic skill to gather attention to himself and pause the party.
“Brothers and Sisters! Both by Blood, Marriage, and choice!” he said, gesturing to everyone as they turned to look at him “We are about to set forth onto a fool’s quest, at least that is what many would say. Many have tried and many more have failed, the maw of the Doom consuming any brave enough to brave its shadow and smoke. I will not lie, the danger that we will join them is real,” he said, letting the grim statement linger for a few seconds before continuing with a shining smile “But I think we will succeed where all others have failed. ‘Why’ you ask?” he said, gesturing to the room and spilling his wine in a likely deliberate comedic move “Because we have things that all other attempts lack. First! We have brave Dara, who while not a dragon I have no doubt could strike one from the sky with ease!”
The room cheered for Dara, who smiled and nodded, seated as he was on a couch with three of his female disciples held close to him.
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“He along with his many disciples, some more lovely than others,” Gerion said, smiling at a summer islander woman who was slight in size but her figure was strong “are a strength that could rival any mercenary band or pirate crew. However, they are not alone. Because aiding us are two noble warriors of Westeros, one a Knight of storied birth and the other a man of strength and power the likes of which many have not seen beyond the Westerlands. Ser Humfrey Hightower and Sandor Clegane!”
The cheers came down, Humfrey smiling and pumping his fist into the air while the Hound drank his wine, though his grumbling was not as heartfelt as before.
“But physical might is nothing if we cannot even make it to the Doom, and there too we hold an advantage, With my fiery Niece Asha and the brilliant sand snake Sarella Sand. The Daughter of the kraken, who has sailing in her blood, whose ancestors joined their line with mermaids and whose god rules the sea. The Child of Sunspear, whose ancient blood reaches back to the ancient Rhoynar who fought wars and rivaled the Valyrians themselves, and sailed the world to settle in Dorne. There is no one else I could trust to guide our sails.” he said, leading the party into cheering the two women’s names, Asha and Sarella smiling as they raised their glasses, you noticing that Asha’s smile was brighter than normal at the praise and cheers.
“However, the path ahead is not mundane in nature. No, the Valyrians made sure to ruin their land so thoroughly that it is cursed to this day. Magic runs rampant there, horrid curses and spells gone awry. Some men dismiss magic as falsehood, others fear it, however what we have with us is a man who turned to study its mysteries and tried to understand it. With his help, along with with his twin who shall greet us with a welcome home and more wine, I believe we can do the impossible. With their help, I think we can carve our names into history.” He said, the raised his glass to you “With Jason and Tyrion Lannister, my Nephews, we can succeed where armies, Kings, and DragonLords have failed!”
There was a louder cheer, as the words served to empower everyone’s spirits, and so you shouted with everyone else, making the celebration about the group, about the shared hardships you would all face.
“We are all extras, all of us born with fate conspiring us to be mere footnotes in history. It is only with either chance or bravery we Latterborn children can overcome this.” He said, looking at the collection of thirdborns, fourthborns, and so on “We have chosen bravery. The Fellowship of the Latterborn, the Latterborn sons and daughters, the Latterborn heroes of a new age!” He called out, earning a swelling cheer with every call of ‘ Latterborn’.
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You all drank, you all ate, and you all made sure to live well. Uncle Gerion was the fuel that kept the festivities going, the momentum that kept the Latterborn charging ahead, out of reach of the dread and uncertainty that skulked not far behind. He did not mention his own name, it was not his way, or perhaps he was not able to do it. The light of the stage never shined on Gerion, and you wondered if he did not step into it out of fear, or because the thought never occurred to him.
When all were swimming in wine, and your inhibitions were lost, you stood. Then stumbled. Then sort of, mimicked standing straight as your voice rose up “Swords and spear, arrows and sails, and hedge magic are well and good. But there is one man whose bravery is what gathered us here, whose bravery gave us this chance, whose own refusal to simply let the age pass him by is why the Doom shall be conquered today!” You said, shakily raising you wine, then standing straight and proud as the moment sobered you “Let us give a cheer to Gerion Lannister, who decided to change history forever with only his will and bravery. To Gerion!”
A thunder of heroes called out a single name, and Gerion looked as if he was a child in a storm, staring into the roar of something frightening yet gifted a smile. Gerion looked around, his name called out by great warriors, by a great captain, by the daughter of an enemy to his family, and by two nephews who looked at him like a hero. He tried to stand proud, to be like his eldest brother, and as always failed as his smile grew and his tears fell, and all got to see a starving man be fed a king’s feast.
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You set sail, with Tyrion, Tysha, and Sandor watching you leave. You had charged Sandor with protecting Tyrion, his wife and child, so that no matter what the Latterborn’s story would be told and perhaps they could be saved through the contingencies planned in the shadows. You made sure this was an honor, and hid the relief Sandor had almost shown.
Two ships, plated with bronze, hardened to protect its insides, and sailed by the best of the Latterborn. Sarella and Humfrey sailed the Swan Ship, Asha and You sailed the Iron Lion with the disciples of Dara spread between them and Gerion on the Iron Lion. Your boats cut through the water, and within but a few hours…
Old Valyria, or a hole that was once shaped like it, came into view.
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The water was cut in two, as the currents fought against the putrid water that tried to bleed from the world’s festering wound. It was an unnatural barrier, two seas pressed against each other and refusing to mix. When your ships cut into it, the change was instant “MASKS ON!” You called out, lifting a mask made of fine silks, leathers, and mixed with herbs and whatever you could find that would purify the air as a wall of miasma from the ocean and the sky collided with you. You stared out from a visor of glass, you were careful to breathe in such a way so you did not fog up the glass.
“Pay close attention! Vision is limited and I don’t like surprises!” Asha shouted out, a summer Island man in the crow’s nest shouting back down. Similar shouts were heard from the swan ship, men and women preparing and helping one another as they left the world where men lived and ventured into a rotting hell.
There was a snap of thunder, and by the time you looked the arrow had pierced the waves. You looked to the Swan Ship and saw Dara quickly pulling out another arrow, and you surged to the side as Asha cursed “Fucking already?!”
“Dara!” You shouted over, another thunderclap as Dara let loose his arrow, hesitating to watch it hit, before he lowered his bow. “Did you kill it?!”
Dara looked at you, and though you could not see his face, he shook his head and held himself in a tense posture “I did not need to!”
You were about to question him, when you heard Asha swear in horror, turning your gaze and stopping cold.
As the fog cleared, the guardians of the old Valyrian waters revealed themselves, as the currents pulled your ships forward making it difficult to turn back. Masses of twitching flesh, eight stubs stemming from its body that bled endlessly a pus if glowing red. They unleashed noises, squeels and gagging and wrenching noises, their beaks snapping at nothing as they lay belly up to the sky. Their flesh was picked at, covered in scabs and fresh wounds alike, and all bled the same. Twitching and writhing worms, glowing red hot, swam through their blood and out of their wounds and back in, where their eyes once were only now were throbbing sacs with more parasitic nightmares making their home in the soft tissue. They twitched and writhed, and you came upon the one that had taken Dara’s bolts.
It was a Kraken, or what was left of one, it flesh partly rotting, partly burning, and partly writhing. Welling up around the arrows in its body, the worms swimming in a thin trickle of the Kraken’s blood began to escape the body and swarm the arrows shaft, and smoke rose from it as the worms began to burn and eat their way through. In a matter of seconds, the spike topped with a steel head was turned to burning mulch as it collapsed and brought the worms back into their own mass.
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Counting them there was maybe a score of them, with likely more beyond the rolling fog. Dying in the open air, or long dead, the worms making their home within the corpses. “Seven hells,” you said, then grew panicked as a wave brought one of the floating masses of former kraken close. “Shit w-“ before you could warn Asha, the creature collided with the copper plated hull of the Iron Lion, its beak slamming against and attempting to punch through, and sliding off but leaving a scratch in the metal, worms spraying from its mouth and collided with the metal only for them to fall to the sea and before seeming to frantically swim back to their own vessel.
“These must be adolescents…they’re so small..” Asha said, referring to the horse sized cephalopods as she cast her gaze out “They shouldn’t be here, they should be in the open sea at this size…”
You pushed forward, the worms and beaks unable to puncture your hull easily and thus not an attractive target to whatever perversion of nature this biome had become. Leaving behind the rotting sentinels that welcomed all to Valyria, though the welcome proved to be final and lethal for most as you came upon the wrecks of those ships that had unfortunately passed too close to the dying krakens.
Many of the ships were old, there were some that were new mixed into the tangled mass of wood and sails, the ships either floating as hulks held together by rope and friction or as crude decorations upon the rocks that rose out of the sea like knives. As you passed one unfortunate clump made of a Volantine slave ship and a Braavosi trade Cog, you saw that more held them together than just their interlocking ruin. Tumorous growths that reminds you of a wasps nest mixed with a melting mound of compost were everywhere, with more of the firey red worms crawling in and out of the odd material holding the ships together. You were about to comment on the possible composition of such a material, until you saw the shape of a man in one of the masses.
He had been trying to claw his way free, had been frantic, and had been trying to climb over his crew as evidenced by the arms and faces near his waste on the primary mass. His body was withered away, and though the face was melted and shattered, you could tell he spent his last moments screaming. The firey words had made homes within his hollow eye sockets and the open tear where his bottom jaw and throat had once been. There were more like this, bodies of humans in states of distress, agony, and fight adding to the mortar that held these cursed husks together for their new masters, the fiery worms,
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>>6396226
“Land Ho!” Called out the man in the crowd next, pointing beyond a smoke cloud that seemed to follow a broiling current. As the ship passed through, the entire hull vibrated as whatever was below shifted the waters violently. However, you finally made it past and Asha began to slow the ship as proper land revealed itself to you.
It was a beach of Obsidian glass, shining and threatening to eviscerate any that got to close. Mixed in were the quickly eroding remains of any ship that had gotten too close to the beach or had drifted to it. Ships' hulls cut into ribbons then reduced to dust, metal rubbed and scratched until nothing was left, even what bone fragments that remained were deep in the process of being reduced to sand in the Obsidian shards and sand. Beyond that were lifeless hills with an ancient ruined walkway heading up into the hil beyond, smoke billowing up in the distance between what looked like the skeleton of multiple towers. Blocking the way forward was the ruins of a building of unknown purpose, one that had likely been built up on a hill judging from the landscape but now it served as an impassible wall of collapsed stones, all solid black from centuries of soot and ash. Near it was a fallen tower, stable looking enough to serve as a dock, which Asha and Sarella silently agreed to drop anchor at. “Everyone stay away from the water, the shallows around here may have Kraken hatchlings. With how many we saw back there and how popular the breeding grounds are, there are probably enough to rip a man free of his flesh within seconds should they sense him.” She said, carefully bringing the Iron Lion to dock, with the Expectant Lover doing much the same further down the fallen tower. “It shouldn’t be laying season, but be careful. Infant Krakens are known to crawl inland when they think they are in dangerous waters.”
“Wait, I thought Krakens were sea bound?” You asked, mounting worry in your tone.
“Oh no, they’re semi-aquatic in their early life, but when they become adolescents they return to the water so they do not collapse under their own weight. The infants though will hide in rock crevices, up in trees, or bury themselves in the sand in order to avoid predators and ambush prey. Since this beach is nothing but dragon glass, we should be safe around here as long as we stay away from the water.” Asha said, making sure the ship would stay put before stepping down to the deck. “Alright people, we have limited food and water. Let’s try and make this trip worth it.” Asha said, leaving unsaid the growing desire to never return to these lands already blooming in people’s hearts.
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>>6396228
As a makeshift camp was being set up on the fallen tower, the soot and ash cleared to reveal pristine white stone that was entirely fused into a single piece as if the tower was carved, you and Asha took a look at the copper plating of the ship. It was free of any parasites or significant damage, but there was already discoloration on the water-touched portions. “That’s not promising. I’m not a metallurgist, but I can assume that we won’t be able to dilly dally.” You said, noticing the look Asha gave you at your word choice. You shrugged “It’s a fun phrase my Aunt Genna always used. Now, come on, let’s prepare our expedition to go deeper into the island.”
Dara, Humfrey, a few of Dara’s disciples, Gerion, yourself, and Asha moved forward, leaving Sarella to watch the boats along with the rest of the Latterborn. You set out, after taking some time to cool down, eat and drink, and breathe real fresh air below the deck of the ship in the rooms sealed to the world outside. You stepped onto the beach, and the expedition truly began.
What is your current goal for this first island?
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
>Focus on finding Magical knowledge, tomes, writings, information. With your training, you stand to benefit from actually understanding the value of any knowledge you find.
>Focus on finding Tools, weapons, armor, and other gear left behind by the Valyrians. Asha believes that such things will bring you renown and power, and thinks any valyrion blade will do.
>Find a place of learning so you can study ancient Valyrion sciences. You know of fused stone, the process of creating or reforging valyrian steel, and ancient medicines of Valyria may all be one tablet or ruin away.
>other?
In addition, while on this first Isle, where will you focus your efforts?
>In the primary city. High Value location, high population, medium magic
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
>Stick to the smaller hamlets. Low value, medium population, low magic
>Search for public works, such as aqueducts or dams. High Magic, low value, low population
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>>6396229
>other?
>Focus on mapping and journalling everything, leaving cyphered marks of our passage along the way. Learning how this land works will pay dividends, when danger will inevitably find us.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
It's unlikely we'll succeed if we're honest about it, leaving alive and not empty handed without compromising our chances of a return is clearly the priority here.
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>>6396229
>Find a place of learning so you can study ancient Valyrion sciences. You know of fused stone, the process of creating or reforging valyrian steel, and ancient medicines of Valyria may all be one tablet or ruin away.
A sword has nothing on knowing secrets that will have knock on effects. As much as I love magic it's a blade without a hilt in this setting and practitioners are heavily discouraged by the faith and the wise men.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
I think the rich would have libraries with the info the Expedition seeks.
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>>6396229
So hey guys about that whole snagging a kraken yeah FUCK THAT. We can find one somewhere else. No worms. No godsdamned worms. If only there was a spell for eternally cold drinks.
So the dragonlord's manse is where we're most likely to find magical gear and magical tomes. The main city is where we're most likely to find greater amounts of more mundane loots, and likely raw money as well. The small hamlets are probably the safest due to less corners and enclosed spaces. And the public works are the wild card.
>Focus on finding Tools, weapons, armor, and other gear left behind by the Valyrians. Asha believes that such things will bring you renown and power, and thinks any valyrion blade will do.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
I think these choices together are likely to give us immediate decent return on investment. I would so love to look for Spells or Secrets, and to engage in glorious Learning at the college of Hellsvile but I would rather bank on the most immediate of concerns which would be hopefully finding something that can kill things dead better. Though in the process of seeking these objects of power who knows what else we may find.
>>6396230
Hello yes what the fuck? kek Why did you let us come here? If we find seven dragon balls will we get a wish?
More seriously, is it going to be one vote per goal/location per island and then whatever happens we react to mid-search or do we get secondary goals or location choices depending on how long we wish to spend on each island if we decide the pickings are too slim on the current one? Generally speaking, the logistics of action economy.
>>6396236
I feel like we are going to naturally be doing that. Maybe not leaving indicators for us to follow if we get turned around, but generally documenting, mentally or otherwise, what the fuck is going on. But yes, I agree, better to live and leave with just a little than watch everyone die and maybe scamper away with a bunch of shit we can't protect on the way back.
Which is another thing to keep in mind, pirates, privateers, sellsails and goons of the Triarchs might be between us and Volantis when we try to return so we must ensure we maintain the strength necessary to fight them off if need be.
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>>6396229
>Focus on finding Tools, weapons, armor, and other gear left behind by the Valyrians. Asha believes that such things will bring you renown and power, and thinks any valyrion blade will do.
I agree with her. The family needs *A* Valyrian sword, it's just a bonus if we find *The* family sword. Casting a wider net for things like armor or other weapons is the smart play.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
Most likely spot to find gear, but also quite likely to find books or weird science bullshit.
I think I might say that we PRIORITIZE anything Valyrian that is simple and of value - like a sword, weapon, armor, or tools we can identify. Books could be great, but it'll take time to translate them and they may just be diaries or fairytales or gossip columns or a cookbook. Science stuff could be great, but if we fuck it up we could melt our hands off or turn our eyes into parasites or go insane. A sword or shield or something of the like, however, is basically no risk and very high reward.
But while that's the PRIORITY, if we come across any clues about the Tommen expedition or indications of his passing, we should divert ourselves to track that down since it's very likely to lead us to a particular Valyrian sword, the one we are most after.
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>>6396248
I would imagine the public libraries would be better for that kind of stuff. Since a dragonlord's manse probably keeps the more arcane secrets hidden. Knowledge of how to build roads is only useful if you have a dragon, which needn't be guarded because the Valyrian's client states couldn't control dragons, and the reforging of Valyrian steel is known in various places throughout the world which means it isn't as closely guarded a secret as the actual initial forging of Valyrian steel, so likely kept open to the public as well.
Just trying to look at it logically it makes sense from my perspective. But I may be underestimating how jealously the Valyrian's guarded any of their lores.
>>6396254
>if we come across any clues about the Tommen expedition or indications of his passing, we should divert ourselves to track that down since it's very likely to lead us to a particular Valyrian sword, the one we are most after.
I agree with this. If we're looking for a Valyrian sword, and we find some tell of Tommen's going, then we know for sure where at least one Valyrian sword will generally be. At the end of the trail of clues.
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>>6396257
This is just a hard choice... My thinking is very much that if Jason focuses on objects already crafted, he knows what he is getting himself into. If he focuses on books or tablets, he is kind of gambling. Obviously, if we could learn how to forge Valyrian steel, that would be literally worth an endless number of Brightroars, and if we could learn how to fuse and shape stone, we could attempt to rival Bran The Builder. But I just don't wanna roll the dice on those kinds of world-altering discoveries, or our ability to master them, or that there is even presently enough magic in the world to float them in practice, yaknow?
Same stroke, aiming high has worked out for us most of the time so far, and having a Valyrian secret under our belt would give us the leverage to make some bonkers moves in the Game of Thrones. I definitely appreciate the sentiment there...
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>>6396261
Good points, solid points. Actually dredging up the most coveted of knowledges gives us effectively unbridled influence. However, knowing is only half of doing. Even if we did discover these secrets there's no guarantee we could actually utilize them. Perhaps we could cheat out lesser, bastard versions of them, though, if we apply the correct practices and sciences of the current era.
Then there's the question of if we learn, would we become indispensable or would we just paint a target on our backs? The maesters of this age do seem quite opposed to magic. And who knows what some of the schemers of the world would think of us having such coveted knowledge.
It's a continuous gamble, truly.
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>>6396229
Jason will come out of here turned into Alex Mercer if he finds a tome of Blood magic, man. Like wtf with those Wyrm Leeches™
>Focus on finding Tools, weapons, armor, and other gear left behind by the Valyrians. Asha believes that such things will bring you renown and power, and thinks any valyrion blade will do.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
It would be cool if we can find some ancient Houses flags, maybe of some of the Valyrian lords at the time.
Now I wanna add some write ins!
I liked the idea this anon had right here >>6396236 I don't think it should take much mental power to have Jason walking with his nose on a journal walking straight towards some Grayscale fuckers, but it would be cool if he documents things, and for his autismo he could try and draw the architecture he sees so he can later analyze
>Focus on mapping and journalling everything, leaving cyphered marks of our passage along the way. Learning how this land works will pay dividends, when danger will inevitably find us
>Consider bringing some dragonglass
I don't know if it's way to meta for Jason to suddenly bring that shit on the boat, but I wanted to ask, is there any other magical property for Dragonglass aside from killing White Walkers? We're still years before the sightings starts, I know, but I thought that maybe there was other uses that the students of the Higher Mysteries have for it, just than pretty glass that has some rumors, at least that was my mental process, something to give as a little souvenir to the Mad Maiden and Jason's maester in Oldtown
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>>6396262
>Then there's the question of if we learn, would we become indispensable or would we just paint a target on our backs?
The thing with this is that if Jason knows High Valyrian, he could easily just get the knowledge and tell no one, or even bring some books and just lie
>"Huh? What is this ominous tome with dragons spewing fire into an anvil on the cover?..."
>"Huuuuh...... I-It's a cooking book! Or I think so, I really don't know how to read High Valyrian, I wasn't really that keen in learning that part..."
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>>6396269
That is an option, yeah. But rumors always spread. And people have been killed for rumors before kek.
>"He's got Valyrian books."
>"No shit? Burn his fucking house down. With him in it. But take these books first."
And let's be honest, Jason would probably be a little too enthusiastic and let something slip about how exciting it all is. The beautiful golden goober. Or just, y'know, spies. Thankfully spies do not get far in Casterly Rock. So it may be possible to truly keep it secret. Come to think of it, Jason probably recognizes every servant in Casterly Rock.
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>>6396229
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
Hell on earth, let's fucking goooooo!
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>>6396272
>Ancestor posting
>Name of the file
Anon... Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer... Perhaps our reputation, if everything goes well, will let Gerion return with more loyal man so he can get the glory of getting Brightroar.
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>>6396229
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
Seriously anons, this is our goal and the only thing that might get Tywin to not do some Tysha level bullshit to us. We have limited time, we cannot dilly dally
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
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>>6396280
My man I just want a sword kek it'd just be easier to find A sword than THE sword. Since finding Brightroar hinges on Tommen having made landfall here (and not leaving here) but finding any Valyrian steel sword just requires one being here.
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>>6396282
Their goal was to loot, wasn't it? This sounds like a fairly big target. And it doesn't change the fact that we need Brightroar if we want to properly complete this mission. Anything else will get would pale in comparison to having the true Lannister blade.
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>>6396287
You know what's better than one sword? Two swords. You know what's better than two swords? You got it, the new Baconator at King's Landing made with 100% real pork now with 50% less parasites.
I'm just saying that in terms of playing the odds, securing -A- victory right away and then choosing to try and get the gold is a safer bet than going gambling right away. Since presumably by focusing on finding clues about Brightroar would mean less time investigating gear or items we find if it isn't immediately apparent it belongs to a former expedition. Like looking for your keys and glancing over your phone without even processing it's there, you feel me? I want to find Brightroar, but I also want to make sure that this trip could be under no circumstances be called a failure. Outside of the tremendous accomplishment that surviving this place is, I mean.
We'd have to assume that Tommen landed here, which is a reasonable assumption, and that he died here, also a reasonable assumption. But he could have landed on another of the islands, either intentionally or not. Or he could have been taken under the waves by those FUCKING worms. Which is why in my eyes it's better to actively search for loot and passively search for Tommen's expedition rather than the other way around. And if we assume Tommen was searching for loot, then us searching for loot is more likely to stumble the same direction he did, right?
Same goal different approach.
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>>6396229
>Focus on finding Tools, weapons, armor, and other gear left behind by the Valyrians. Asha believes that such things will bring you renown and power, and thinks any valyrion blade will do.
As awesome as Brightroar would be, the odds of finding it are slim to none. Furthermore, it would be a single sword and possibly nothing more. If we find any Valyrian Steel sword, we can just bring it home, lie, and tell people that it is Brightroar. Slap some gold and lion motif's on the hilt and it's basically the same. What's more, if we're lucky, maybe we'll get to find more than just one single weapon. Imagine getting an axe for Asha to wield as well!
The magical knowledge is nice, but it's too much of an uncertain gamble. Even if we do find anything, there's no guarantee that it'll be of value, let alone make us famous. If we manage to find some regular treasure, then maybe we can consider shifting our priority towards magic.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
For now, the low population is what we need to aim for. At least Jason sort of knows about magic, but the number of soldiers in our expedition is very limited.
>>6396251
>So hey guys about that whole snagging a kraken yeah FUCK THAT
I am in agreement unless we find an egg that hasn't hatched. In that extremely unlikely scenario, then maybe it'd be okay since the lil egg baby hasn't been exposed/infected by parasite worms. Even then, maybe it'd be easier and safer to grab one from the Summer Isles or something and just say that we took it from Valyria. The Ironborns are the only ones who will be interested, and they aren't worth our honesty.
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>>6396300
Also, a random valyrian sword is nothing. Even smaller houses have them. Sure it's nice, it's a pretty cool get, but it's nothing that'll particularly stand out.
Brightroar is the best we could get and it's ridiculous to come all the way here and NOT look for it
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I would like to look for Brightroar, but my initial idea was that we were going to spend literally months or years just going around ruins and shit, I didn't expect a deadly trap followed by corrosive acid on the water that will vaporize the wood in the ship if we didn't got it covered with bronze.
And with that information, then I thought "in that case, the plan would be like playing Tarkov and make in and out missions as we map out the islands and bring loot to Tyrion. So there's no rush to go for Brightroar right now". I don't get the responses to going towards other stuff, it seems a little clear we're in a in-and-out type of deal, unless QM wants to clarify things further
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>>6396268
>is there any other magical property for Dragonglass aside from killing White Walkers?
Yes, Jason probably does not know this yet (but maybe he does with a Valyrian chain link? Samwell figured it out without one anyways) but dragonglass can cure greyscale.
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>>6396300
That is not how probability works lmao it's also not what I said. 99% of treasure seekers quit right before they dig up the booty.
>>6396303
>brightroar is the best we could get
The only thing that is standout about Brightroar was that it was a greatsword. So, that it was large. It was not stated to be exceptional in any other way. To turn your own words against you, it's exactly that you think Brightroar is the greatest prize we can win that no other prize is its equal.
>>6396305
Wasn't that a show only thing? Or am I just got them dementors?
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>>6396229
>>Focus on finding Tools, weapons, armor, and other gear left behind by the Valyrians. Asha believes that such things will bring you renown and power, and thinks any valyrion blade will do.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
I agree with getting A Victory instead of finding the needle-in-a-haystack that is Brightroar.
Do we know any lore about if Tommen's ship was bronze or copperplated like ours is? His was called the "golden fleet", but I don't recall if it was mentioned if it was literal.
If it wasn't copper/bronze/gold plated, then this mission's fucked and he's probably stuck back in the morass of ships that borders Valyria, or an unrecognizable wreck elsewhere. Only way to get to his ship would be to slowly and methodically search the minefield and then every island, and we'd need to leave and regularly re-plate our ship(s). On the bright side, that'd mean that we have a clear goal, even if it's an incredibly dangerous one. If, on the other hand, his ship WAS gold/bronze/copper-plated, then we can simply search the coastline of every island, as even a heavily corroded copper/bronze/ESPECIALLY gold-clad ship will be distinctive. If we then run out of time, then we'd still need to leave and re-do the ship, but if we get lucky we could break it into only a few trips.
I think if we have confirmation, then we go on rapid searches. Just keep sailing until we find a distinctive ship that could be his, then search THERE. If not; then gear, then valyrian magic/science, THEN we look for Brightroar. Hell, gear is probably what Tommen was here for. It thus follows that his remains, should they be on this island, would be somewhere looking for gear if they're not on his boat.
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>>6396308
Brightroar isn't just a valyrian steel sword, it's House Lannister's valyrian steel sword. It might not be worth as much gold as two or three no-name swords but it's value lies more in it's history and the glory that would come from returning it.
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>>6396305
Dragon glass can cure greyscale?
Also yeah to Jason, Dragon glass is a useful reagent maybe but he wouldn’t know you can slay White walkers with it.
And while I won’t cut the expedition short, I do want to avoid this becoming “Valyria expedition quest”, though that’s not saying future expeditions will be impossible
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>>6396341
Right, but there's two counter points:
1. Why can't we just take a normal Valyrian Steel sword and just lie / tell people that it's Brightroar?
2. If we return home empty handed then we look like either liars or complete fools. With no loot to show for our efforts, people will think that we merely sailed to Volantis, fucked around at sea for a few weeks, and then came back with only stories and claims of bravery.
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>>6396341
Naturally. As a status symbol it's great. A reclamation of more prosperous times. It would be a fantastic omen. But showing up with any Valyrian sword we be a glorious affair. If Tywin truly cared THAT MUCH about the status it presented he would have been throwing money over the years at trying to reclaim it instead of just trying to buy a new one from a lesser house. Tywin's pragmatism outweighed his ambition there. So showing up with one at all would be a massive plus for the honor of house Lannister. Which is why I want to get one, any one, first, then if the one we found isn't Brightroar then we can look into it. Valyria is dangerous enough that I consider a small victory to be momentous. Which just further convinces me that casting a wider net is more optimal to begin with. Because we might get so assblasted on this first island that we might choose to turn around and leave immediately after. So if Brightroar isn't here it might be a waste of time to look for it since we might be forced to retreat at step 2.
Besides, don't be like Tywin. Legacy isn't everything.
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>>6396341
This Anon is correct. While any Valyrian sword would be cool, that’s all it would be. Cool.
Brightroar is something else, and I will make this clear, by virtue of being the mythical sword of house Lannister, will be better in a Lannister’s hand than any normal Valyrian blade, but politically and martially.
Legitimacy does not only have political weight, but arcane as well.
Plus, Gerion is going to be pretty hyper focused on grabbing that sword.
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>>6396351
Jamie would get better returns, but there’d be a larger difference between Jason and a Valyrian sword and Jason with Brightroar
>>6396349
The major houses will figure out pretty quick that any fake you try to pass off is a fake, as the appearance of bright roar was well known. So any attempt at lying will hurt house Lannister’s reputation, at least with the larger houses and their more prominent trusted bannerman.
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>>6396353
Part of me thinks that if Jason is in a melee we made some poor choices, you know?
>So any attempt at lying will hurt house Lannister’s reputation
I wasn't suggesting we lie, nor did I intend to, if that's how that read it's my bad. I meant to say, we'd just HAVE a Valyrian sword at that point. Not that we'd say we had Brightroar. I think some other anon mentioned trying to pass them off as each other though.
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>>6396355
Oh my bad, I just clicked the most recent post that was advocating any blade.
I will also be clear that, returning with a Vakyrion steel anything will be major as well, and will earn points with Tywin all the same.
Brightroar is just a sort of, better in every way to an already good result. Going for S instead of settling for A
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>>6396348
1. See >>6396353
2. Focusing on recovering Brightroar and finding shiny valyrian goodies are not mutually exclusive but finding Brightroar should be our top priority.
>>6396349
If Tywin believed it was possible to retrieve Brightroar from Valyria, he would have happily spent mountains of gold to recover it. He has already written Jason and Gerion off as dead men.
>Besides, don't be like Tywin. Legacy isn't everything.
Counterpoint, it would utterly infuriate Tywin that Jason and Gerion were the ones to bring Brightroar home and I think that's pretty funny.
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>>6396362
>it would utterly infuriate Tywin that Jason and Gerion were the ones to bring Brightroar home and I think that's pretty funny.
Okay I gotta respect the funny. That's 100% true that's just facts. No one should stand in front of a man and his funny.
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>>6396359
Honestly Tywin might cry. He doesn’t believe in magic, or the gods. He has a chip on his shoulder born from his father.
But do not doubt the power of being given something so important, so treasured, and so integral to your families history. He is still a mortal man, and getting to hold the blade his family held while they were kings will have an affect.
It’ll be a matter if his self control can withstand such a thing, especially when it comes with his son coming home with the fame and renown of such an achievement.
>>6396362
Tywin never bothered because he thought the cost was too high and the chance nonexistent. He also would not naturally value what isn’t physical about Brightroar, at least not until he had it in his hands.
Idk, I’m reading a lot into something we’ve never seen of Tywin.
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>>6396369
Well funny number post number and RNGsus, I guess the egg is on my face.
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>>6396251
I'll change my vote to
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
I WOULD vote to go to the city since that is where an expedition is most likely to go, but Tommen's expedition happened not so long after the Doom that they'd forget the general knowledge of Dragonlords having mansions and shit. So he might've gone to one of them instead.
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>>6396353
>The major houses will figure out pretty quick that any fake you try to pass off is a fake, as the appearance of bright roar was well known.
Oh, I didn't know that.
In that case, I'll change my vote from here >>6396296 to:
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
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>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
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>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
>Search for public works, such as aqueducts or dams. High Magic, low value, low population
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>>6396229
>Find a place of learning so you can study ancient Valyrion sciences. You know of fused stone, the process of creating or reforging valyrian steel, and ancient medicines of Valyria may all be one tablet or ruin away.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
KNOWLEDGE is power
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>>6396229
>>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
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>>6396229
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
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>>6396382
changing my vote to
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
For no other reason than seeing Gerion one up his calous brother.
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>>6396229
Fucking SSS tier update. Love the way you describe the horrors of the doom. That's some good shit!
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
I think the actual mysteries of Valryian blood magic would be deeper inland, but our ancestors failed expedition may have left clues closer to shore. That's my logic at least
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>>6396229
>Focus on finding Brightroar and evidence of previous Expeditions, Gerion vowed to return with Brightroar and that is his current focus.
It's quite clear this is what we went there for in the first place.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse.
I can't believe QM allowed us to sail straight into hell. I hope it's worth it, but it would be best to never return. If we ever need something from Valyria again, we should pay and send someone else.
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>>6396229
>Find a place of learning so you can study ancient Valyrion sciences. You know of fused stone, the process of creating or reforging valyrian steel, and ancient medicines of Valyria may all be one tablet or ruin away.
>Search for public works, such as aqueducts or dams. High Magic, low value, low population
I am interested in scientific knowledge for now in this island, specifically buildings. Loot we can go for later. Tommen fleet i feel would have pushed inside further ahead, they wouldn't have died in too many here.
>>6396129
Ah forgot one more thing:
>Desires of companions
Some of our companions might want to get something of their own here. If not all of them really.
>>6396474
>I can't believe QM allowed us to sail straight into hell.
I mean. He has put that option twice (timeskip option and the option we just took of going for Gerion/return to the Westernlands after our time in Oldtown).
>I hope it's worth it, but it would be best to never return.
Anything we can take would be great really. It could make us more rich, more knowledgeable, with magical knowledge, more prestigious or with more powerful weapons to give to loyal warriors/knights. Why not ? We would have a greater understanding in going inside Valyria, if we decide to ever return one day. We could prepare better than anyone else, we would have experienced companions and crew.
>If we ever need something from Valyria again, we should pay and send someone else.
They would just die, even if paid well and with our instructions they aren't Jason and the Latterborn. If we need something, we should do it ourselves.
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I am a fool. I will post this after we get done with Valyria. In case we find some books or some shit which touch on any of the very insane reaches and theories this is built on kek even though the vast bulk of it is completely irrelevant to the story.
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Knowledge of the sciences is an easy way to get the wise men on our side. The secrets of how to make those special swords can easily attract blacksmiths willing to work for us.
Leverage it to rediscover things that coukd increase steel and ship output. Etc
A few priceless swords and tools that is loss once traded versus knowledge that stays forever.
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>>6396591
If we find a Valyrian sword, we won't be trading it, same if we found armor or something else useful. Even if we found an artifact that lacks a function, there's a smith in Volantis that can work the steel even if he can't produce more of it himself.
I don't think I agree that knowledge will attract wise men to our side - seems more likely it will make us more of a target or perceived as a threat, maybe just piss people off. Marwyn, Mad Maid, and Melisandre are some of the most knowledgeable in the higher mysteries, and they are far from popular.
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>>6396592
Assuming we find Valyrian steel gear, what order would you divvy it out? Open question for everyone, by the by.
Obviously it's gonna go Tywin gets first dibs, cause he's the head of our house that is technically funding the expedition even if I'd rather not give him jack. But then who?
Asha > Humfrey > Gerion > Dara > Sandor=Sarella? Basing it on the "noble" hierarchy? Personally I'd go Asha > Sandor > Humfrey > Dara > Gerion > Sarella. because of personal biases and apparent skillsets. If we find a dragonbone bow it's definitely going to Dara, though. The only thing reputed to be better than the Goldenheart bows.
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>>6396595
No no no no Mon frayer.
Tywin gets Brightroar, if it is found. He is the head of the house and thus has claim to the house sword.
If we find ANYTHING ELSE, he gets kicked to the back of the fucking line!
Gerion naturally gets pick as being the guy to lead this mad voyage.
then Asha as lady lanister, then us, Then Humphrey, then Dara, then Sarella. Because this is Noble hierarchy.
We can probably pass our share to one of the others better suited though. Or claim it and then loan it out on use.
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>>6396598
Yeah, I'm with this. Tywin will likely give it to Jaime either way. Would be interesting if having Brightroar means he is able to avoid being captured by Robb, or something. Always pissed me off he got his hand cut off before we got to see him really flex his skills, and GRRM still continues to go on about how he's the best swordsman.
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>>6396598
Alroight, alroight. There's a plan. If we find a Dragonsteel Chisel though we're fucking yoinking that shit at Mach 17.
>>6396611
Had to nerf Jaime or else he'd eventually get loose and solo everything. Right cause before he gets captured he's just fucking around, but he totally would have locked in and stepped up his game after he got free. So they chopped his hand off to break his spirit and skill. It was the only way.I still don't think Jaime is as good as Arthur Dayne or Barristan in his prime was. But he would be comparable to them. They're the definite top three swordsmen of the age, regardless.
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>>6396619
The Smiling Knight had a point, if he could have had any sword he would have chosen Dawn. It really is just not fair when you have to swordfight someone with a magic steel sword.
I do agree though. If Jaime wouldn't let himself get stuck in eternal moping and his self-loathing he could grow way more deadly. It's too bad we can't even try to get Potential Realized Jaime while he's still fucking Cersei. Bitch is such a bad influence. Even if we do manage to find a dragonsteel blade here.
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>>6396630
One possibility is to get Joffrey Fostered somewhere as a ward and have jaime as a kingsguard be the one to be his guard.
This gets both of them out of Cersei's orbit, and Roberts to be honest, and possibly allows a more competent lord to work on the boy and give him some good paternal attention while allowing Jaime a chance to not rot under cersei's ego and Robert's pettiness.
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Anons I want to know your opinions, because I feel that GRRM has a hate boner for good characters or good outcomes for characters.
I get the whole point of the setting and the type of story it is, where the knight with good intentions ends up being stabbed by a peasant who coated their dagger with some puddle of shit and piss. But I feel like sometimes he just gets out of the way of the story to make sure there's a shitty outcome just because.
I have to admit I'm a tv show fag and sometime I'll dig the books, but that's the impression I get, that you can watch the show and say "think of the worst outcome and you might be right", and that takes a lot of suspense or build up for scenes or for characters and it makes me think "What thing will he takes out of his ass to make things worse?"
I rolled my eyes when I saw the death of Oberyn vs the Mountain, who got stabbed and slashed with a poisonous blade god knows how many times and he just got to suffer for a while, but not enough to throw Oberyn and smash his head like a rotting pumpkin. Or Theon snitching on Sansa, or Oberyn's wife for some reason kissing Myrcella and I knew in an instant there was some poison bullshit going on
Maybe I'm coping and seething but I do wanted to know what you guys think, and also to make some conversation while we wait for the next update.
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>>6396635
I think there is some weight to that, however there is evidence that GRRM is setting for a more noble and bright path for the end game of the story.
For one, Dorne storyline in the book does not have Oberyn's wife killing Myrcella, inface she is protected by Doran because of her being a child and her political use.
Doran martell is also just better at intrigue that his entire family so will not get assassinated, especially since he told his daughter the truth.
Then there is the fact that tywin died, and without him, the evil lannisters faction is spiralling out of control under cercei's leadership.
And then there's the Northern Conspiracy, which if i happens how people think, will prove that the Starks were right. That honor and trust was the long term strats that will always beat ruthlessness and cruel cunning.
There is also danny, whose basically been doing only good things, and is likely to overcome her political woes soon.
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>>6396634
That is an interesting idea. Would Tywin try to stymie such a thing? Likely not. Would Robert? Possibly, but he could be convinced, certainly. But Cersei? She'd lose her shit like no one's business. Go full fucking psycho bitch, probably. She might even try to kill some people, lots of people even. Of course this begs the question of WHO to ask to foster Joffrey. The Starks are honorable enough not to slit his throat in the night, and Robert would certainly trust his old friend Ned. Maybe the Arryns? Bobby and Ned both had good experiences with them in the past, even if there are some questionable influences there while Jon is away. Perhaps the Tyrells to more formally secure their allegiance to the crown as they are wont to ask. There are options. So many untrustworthy. So much exacerbated by the scheming in the realm.
It's food for thought. Big thinkin'.
>>6396635
I think Martin subscribes to the belief that doing good is good, even if it doesn't have a happy ending. Lots of bad things happen to people in the books who are doing them for the right reasons. Most of the time these are either logical results or tragic bad luck or just the consequence of characters being irrational in a human way. Joffrey executing Ned for instance, was a really, really fucking stupid decision on the boy's part. And Ned was punished because of him wanting to do the right thing in spite of the fact it was dumb to do so. Everyone winds up punished for these things. And it makes sense on some level even if it seems disagreeable. The characters have failings all the time, be they moral, intellectual, spiritual or physical. It's a very human thing most of the time.
But I do think the overall end of the story is going to be a happy one, if extremely tragic. Not an ending that makes you smile but one that gives you hope for the future sort of deal. It's just that the road to that happy ending is covered in broken glass, legos, rotten eggs, and the consequences of so many bad choices and foolish misgivings over thousands of years of history.
But the TV show does butcher a TON of stuff from the books and misses a lot of stuff. Like the complete lack of Tysha really fucks Tyrion's character motivation and development. And a lot of the way stories play out in it are darker, bleaker, and less sensical than the books.
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>>6396635
Sometimes that kind of tragic note really elevates the story. Baelor and Ned's deaths, for example, are so harsh and grim but are excellent narrative moments.
Other stuff, some of which you mentioned, does seem to just be there to remind people of the bleakness, and at times it starts to drag by giving the impression that random chance will contribute to a horrible outcome - like Tyrion just happening to be in a tavern where Cat can take him hostage, or Jaime and Brienne running into those mercenaries and one of them chopping his hand off basically because he can. It's a lot rarer that random chance produces a good outcome, like when Arya just happens to befriend a Faceless Man... Though a lot of those moments also end up being revealed to have been more orchestrated than readers realize at first.
However!
QM is right that the books don't really have the same trajectory, and seem to be setting up for something better. Danny becoming a genocidaire, Jaime trashing his climb to the light and choosing to die in the rubble with Cersei, and Sandor only getting to have his final confrontation with his brother when it's in a situation that's sure to kill them both... All of that is showrunner decisions.
Recently came out that GRRM told KOT7K actors that Dunk & Egg actually survive the Summerhall inferno - that's a miracle, and a real happy thought. He isn't as much of a grouch or edgelord as he sometimes pretends to be.
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>>6396648
Man, it seems like the show really sucks ass compared to the book, I might as well check them out sooner rather than later.
Also, seeing that you've read the books, is there anything going with Osha and Rickon once they separate from Brandon? All the way since I've started the show I got mad/disappointed that Rickon gets no screentime and no character development, and OSHA who I really liked also went and banished forever. I already got the spoiler of what will happen in season 6, but I wanted to know if he's an actual character on the book or just an afterthought even there
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>>6396656
Rickon and Osha have different fates between the books and show. Though with them almost nothing has happened other than some political motivation stuff centered around Rickon. He'll probably be important in the next book. Probably. They do pretty much disappear from the story. But they do a little stuff. A tiny bit.
To be fair, the show isn't bad at first. It's just that the showrunners do a big giant fucking stupid with it. Once they ran out of direction they lost the plot a little. And at the very end they just took a shit onto a piece of paper and called it a day because they apparently had gotten a deal to do Star Wars stuff so they wanted to bumrush the ending as fast as possible to open their schedules. A deal which I am pretty sure fell through, anyway.
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>>6396592
Then I think that's more of a reason to choose knowledge. It's leverage that if used correctly can bring political and physical power. Maybe even commerce to the family. Technology is a large scale improvement. Like a tech tree in civ. Vs tools that'll work on an individual basis.
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>>6396672
I’m glad Duncan lived.
Also Rickon is at the center of the Northern conspiracy, with it likely that Weyman Manderly is going to place him on the stark throne after he’s finished proving he’s the character with the highest level of intrigue in the north.
Also once he digests the three meat pies he ate that may or may not be the three freys that were squatting in his house.
MyMAN MANderly is one of my favorite characters.
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>>6396229
As much as I want to steal Valyrion knowledge/magick I do not want to assraped by curses and blood magick plagues because you know that shit is divinely ordained radioactive cursed tier. Also we would technically need dragons/volcanoes because all their shit was based on two things Blood and Fire. Fucking Valyrions and everything has to be on fire or blood related. So even if we somehow got copies of it, we wouldn't be able to do jackshit with it until we suck up to Danny.
Public works is begging to get assraped by by curses same is true of any heavily populated area. Gotta think where most of the fuck you magic, curses, and plagues would have ended up. Monsters, abominations, and demons are a bit harder to predict depending on what they feed on and what fuels them exactly. Especially the demons. We have seen at least the other shit needs hosts and flesh. Apparently shit CAN survive here albeit in a fucking cursed hellish fashion. So whatever we do, don't eat or drink shit.
Populations centers would host LOTS of flesh to be infested, plagued, and warped. Public works given Valyrion obsession with blood magick is gonna be heavily infested with curses. Smaller hamlets wouldn't have shit...so oddly enough I think Dragonlord manses would be our best bet. Despite the high magick risk it shouldn't have such insane concentrations that the public works or mage centers would hold and the lower populations should hopefully be enough to reduce the threat of oh god level abominations and plagues. While still retaining enough value of being targeted. Plus since their rich and poweful their stuff should be protected and warded enough to be full of goodies.
Given how much of a greedy fuck Tommen and othe expeditionary leaders were they may have similar ideas.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
>other?
Did you know volcanic ash is actually an AMAZING preservative so long as it isn't superheated? It's why you can find shit load of relics from archeological sites from around volcanic eruptions that are absurdly well preserved. A similar thing happens with silt/clay underwater, btw its only when its actively exposed to water/air/sun that shit gets fucked.
In other words the best most preserved goodies are concealed under ash and Valyrions LOVED their fuck off tower designs and manses. So all we have to do is dig out entrances to them and we have access to extremely well preserved interiors to catalog, record, and loot. Best of all it will be in impeccable condition so long as we don't aim for stuff that was closely exposed to lava flows, eruptions, or directly cracked open by earthquakes. So if we want the REALLY good shit be choosy and dig out the entrances through the ash. If you hit volcanic rock its no good. That means it was too hot and whatever is inside is cooked. Not worth mining it out. Digging through ash is extremely fast and easy. Mining through rock for ruined junk isn't.
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>>6396690
>only when its actively exposed to water/air/sun that shit gets fucked.
There's actually three reasons for this, one is the obvious one, erosion. It happens to everything exposed. The second is less obvious but well know, and that's oxidization. Oxygen, unfortunately, fucks with everything, it tarnishes, rusts, and even poisons things depending on how it interacts. The last one is radiation. Which can just straight up use pure energy to blast holes in the molecular structure of objects. Not to be confused with ionization, which radiation can do, but it's the thing that makes things give you cancer if you stand next to them. IIRC anyway.
Very interesting.
>closely exposed to lava flows, eruptions, or directly cracked open by earthquakes
We mustn't forget the pryoclastic ash and rock blast might have blown buildings open or over, and also the who knows how many metric fucktons of stone and debris falling from the sky putting holes or cracks in some of the buildings. But a Dragonlord's manse DOES have a good argument to be made that it is built of sterner stuff and would survive. Basically, just gotta look at the roof. If it's still on, decent chances the walls are too. Just avoid the rooms with windows. They got fucked.
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>>6396598
>then Asha as lady lanister, then us, Then Humphrey, then Dara, then Sarella. Because this is Noble hierarchy.
Nah, we should pull a Stannis moment, and go last in terms of loot splitting. It might be different for the welcome home party, but in terms of who gets to actually keep the loot? Going last would earn some mad respect from Dara, Humphrey, etc.
Besides, Jason isn't even a fighter. If we keep it for ourselves then it's kind of useless. Magic scrolls would have been more his speed.
>>6396635
I almost just ignore the show.
That said, I agree that the setting can sometimes feel needlessly bleak. Not as bad as the levels of grimderp that Warhammer reaches (where it can get so edgy to the point of not even making sense), but still unnecessary. I'm just lucky that most of the characters who I happened to like coincidentally got happy endings.
>>6396685
>MyMAN MANderly is one of my favorite characters.
White Harbor is the fucking GOAT in the GoT mod for Crusader Kings. It has the Northern Coin Mint still preserved so that they can make their own currency again if the player wants to seceded.
>>6396690
Depending on how bad things get, there might be a legitimate argument for giving up on Brightroar and just grabbing whatever we find so that we can gtfo as fast as possible. For now, things are... horrific, but at least we still have all our men. However, I'd say that if we ever get down to one boat, we leave immediately, regardless of what we have.
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>>6396251
Not inside Valaryia itself but there is a ton of baby kraken throughout the area around it too that get fished up. Just snag one for her? Doubt we can get an egg that required geothermal vents to hatch properly and good lord diving that deep and getting past a pissed off grown Kraken. Apparently kraken defend their nesting ground zealously according to Asha. Also younger krakens can survive on land...what fun. They only become fully aquatic when their the weight becomes too much to bear.
>>6396268
Dragonglass is innately infused with fire magick, hence why it was so prized in Westeros by the First Men and Children of the Forest even Giants. Absolutely worthless in this fiery hellhole but very helpful everywhere else. Might be helpful against demons, but given how the demons here are gonna be fire aligned...eh. Might still be better than no magick at all though.
>>6396296
Valryian daggers are a LOT more common and can be reforged into other Valryian steel weapons. For Asha, we just buy some daggers and reforge them into axes for her. Also let her keep a few daggers as she loves those things too. The hardest part about Valaryian steel is nobody knows how to smelt it from scratch only reforge and recast it. Apparently, the process involved dragonsfire and blood magick. Although funnily enough you can still make dragonsteel without the whole blood magick required but that method was apparently far more rare because Valyrians blood obsession.
>>6396313
King Tommen was after Valyrian heritage aka books and gear. The issue is we don't know if his boats even survived long enough or not and the ships that somehow made it to the first island got shredded into nothing. The rest got turned into fucking seahell worm colonies shortly upon entry and shipwrecked. No idea how many got outright sunk.
Which bodes very ill for any other expedition ships. Jason was autistic enough to think of copper plating his ships but who else would think of that? Even so it still corroding just not outright dissolving as fast or getting infested yet.
>>6396595
Hierarchy.
Expeditionary Leader is Gerion > Asha (Heir of Greyjoy, Jason stated she was in charge after leaving Westeros( so technically he transferred his authority to her), and is Lady Lannister) > Jason(Heir of Lannister) > Dara(Summer Islander Leader) Ser Humfrey > Sarella. Lower ranks would be nobleborn above commonborn. There are no slaves. Admittedly not sure how Humfrey and Sarella rank compared to the other nobleborn who joined up. Sandor stayed behind to keep Tyrion alive until he establishes himself but is a founding Latterborn member.
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>>6396635
GRRM is a fanatical deconstructionist who wrote himself into a corner and knows it. Basically, the same thing that happened to Wheel of Time. It's why he does everything BUT work on Song of Ice and Fire. He has two options and deeply HATES them both.
1 let the bad guys win which will piss everyone off.
2 pull a redemption arc for the good guys to win thereby nullifying his deconstructionism.
He hates both options so much that he would rather die first which is exactly what he intends to do just like the Wheel of Time and make someone else cleanup his mess and take the blame instead. In the meantime to keep people off his back he works on side content.
Basically a perfect example of an otherwise great author who falls into the deconstruction trap and down slippery slope headfirst. A major part of reasons behind the decline of modern entertainment and especially writing. A perfect example really.
>>6396634
Honestly a great idea. Only good idea I had was somehow catching Brienne and forcing her into Jaime's orbit because apparently she is the only character who can talk sense into him.
>>6396694
Yes I'm just pointing out the ruins are the worst places to loot and the best are those seemingly buried in ash that are 'worthless' but in truth hold the most riches.
Windows would get blown out but don't forget if the ashfall isn't too hot those rooms while damaged would still be easier to access instead of digging down to groundlevel and their loot wouldn't be entirely wrecked. So MUCH faster and safer to access. Even towers buried in ash and rubble that seem worthless so long as we dig out a window or a door for landing with dragons are good to go. The only ones not worth it are those hit with pyroclastic ash, lava flows, and rock blasts. Too hot and too much damage. Not worth it even if in THEORY deeper rooms could be intact. Not worth digging through the rock and rubble to access for scraps that may or may not even be there deeper inside.
Thanks to all that ash however and so long as we dig through the ash, we gain access to entire time capsules of nigh perfectly preserved rooms full of relics. Which lets be honest here is far safer being less likely to full of whatever horrors there are lurking around AND much better loot in general due to its preservation.
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Agreed if we are down to a single boat we bail no matter what. That is why we have multiple boats.
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>>6396718
>GRRM is a fanatical deconstructionist
If you seriously think the guy who wrote Dunk and Egg is a "fanatical deconstructionist" you're actually retarded.
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>>6396718
Well the problem with looking for a room that wasn't touched with any of the pyroclastic bits would basically mean ONLY interior rooms with no exterior access would be safe. Which is actually fine for our purposes, since that would include vaults, treasure rooms, armories, and dungeons. Why would dungeons be useful to us? Well they wouldn't, cause of curses, but they would because they would be one of the most secure places that are also readily available throughout the place and someone might decide to hide in them while avoiding monsters or demons. We're probably more likely to find signs of an expedition in a dungeon than most places for that reason alone.
Pyroclastic blasts occur right next to the volcano and are hot enough to flash fry a person up until quite a few miles have been traveled. Since they built everything on top of fourteen of the fuckers I would assume everything next to a window is either obliterated or if it was strong enough to resist, hurled god knows how far outside and buried at some random spot under ash. Thankfully the buildings themselves are made out of magic stones and shit as well so they're seemingly mostly resistant to the pressure wave externally. But I worry for the integrity of doors not made of stone or steel. And plenty of those doors would also probably be open since the DOOOOOOOOOM kinda came out of no where so no one was properly buttoned up.
But yeah. Digging helps. Just got to find the closed doors. Everything behind them will probably exist in an airtight seal.
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>>6396730
Windows. Dig to the windows and reach the doors. As long we don't hit rock or rubble, then it's not a bust. Admittedly doors will be better but depending on how deep the ash is going for the windows in a tower would be a LOT faster and safer instead of all the way down. Then access the room to reach the internal doors.
Good point on dungeons being used by survivors to hide from the monsters and demons. Hadn't thought of that. WHo knows what people grabbed while panicking. Downside is of course is if they were infected/transformed by a blood plague and somehow survived in trapped environment the whole time...but dungeons are fortified. We could easily pull up the defenses behind is us and trap there long enough to GTFO.
We should obviously avoid buildings that are clearly heavily damaged by the DOOM. No point in going in digging in ruins for scraps trying to avoid monsters when we can search for intact structures buried in ash. As long as there is a protective ash layer is really all that matters in determining how good the pickings are going to be and obviosly making sure the place wasn't completely wrecked to begin with. Sure SOME of the deeper rooms might be fine...maybe but is it really fuck worth digging through all that rock and rubble to reach?
Wooden doors would likely be turned into charcoal if they weren't burned to ashes so they should be fine if they were burned to ashes good bet whatever is further isn't worth it.
>>6396723
Haven't read it yet. GRRM is one of those authors very high up on my shit list. Read the series and dread it's gonna turn out like fucking Wheel of Time copout.
Also he has absolute shit tier control and care for his work given what he has allowed to be done instead of leveraging his position to gain veto power and bending them over the barrel whenever they tried to start shit to fuck things up. That alone has him in a very well deserved spot on my shit list.
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>>6396730
>Thankfully the buildings themselves are made out of magic stones and shit
I'm now imagining that Asha will tell stories to Tyrion that "Jason had to be dragged away from Old Valyria. He was gripping and clinging to the masonry, begging for just another minute with sublime architecture".
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>>6396745
>open door to dungeon
>"AY! PIZZA'S HERE!"
It's like a mystery box but it's only filled with corpses and evil.
>>6396749
I can picture Jason pouting on the ship out only to get scolded by Asha that "the chair was literally part of the wall why did you think you would be able to take it with us?!"
>>6396760
Art from Artist. Separate them as they say.
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Grrm is good. He just isn't perfect. Like there's something I theorised or believe in which is the potential effect when it comes to popularity. Basically if something has a potential to be way better but isn't. It'll explode online. Now this doesn't mean the original source is bad. Just that it can be improved upon. For instance grrm work is great a soild 8/10 but it COULD be a 10/10 which is why it got popular online and has staying power. You get me?. My biggest problem with grrm is sometimes he writes shit plot points that get abandoned yes but still exist. Like that tyrion sansa hound love triangle thing. Also his love for using grinderp clitches where basically every old guy is a pedo who likes em young.
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>>6396821
All but I think two votes for location were Dragonlord's manse so that's an easy win.
And I count 8 votes for Brightroar which should give it the most votes for the primary objective. 9 if we count the guy who didn't add a location with his vote.
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I'll admit I'm not sure how to categorize the write in option as that was more about how to best search for loot rather than what to prioritize specifically.
>>6396760
Nowadays fanfiction is legit better than 'canon' that is why.
>>6396762
I will stand by to the day I die that Earthsea is forever superior to Harry Potter. I tried reading it but holy crap is terrible comparison.
Also true.
>>6396773
My biggest bone to pick with him is lack of control over his creation instead of taking advantage to gain veto power and throttle them whenever they try stupid shit. Fuck, you can even get an autist fan to do it for you to ensure they stick to canon.
Also true. The Arya mary sue shit also got old personally. That is coming from someone who believes in tomboy supremacy no less.
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>>6396828
>I'll admit I'm not sure how to categorize the write in option as that was more about how to best search for loot rather than what to prioritize specifically.
Yeah those two threw me for a loop. To me they seem more like searching strategies rather than searching objectives, which might be a failing on my small pea-brain. But they both only got a couple of votes.
>Nowadays fanfiction is legit better than 'canon' that is why.
Fact checked, true.
>Fuck, you can even get an autist fan to do it for you to ensure they stick to canon.
Honestly this should be an industry standard. Having someone representative of the actual fanbase instead of a corporate mouthpiece for the fanbase would do a lot to keep things on the right track. Obviously the fan could go overboard but that's why they're there as a supplementary body than anything. Like a hyperfixated fan is going to tell you straight up that "No, he doesn't use a spear, he uses a leaf-bladed spear and it's important because in act three of the fourth stanza he uses it to scratch his nuts at 3 p.m. and this will be important for his character development later...". They'll make sure you KNOW the fuckin deets lmao
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Nah I prefer if the Latterborn gets loot on what they decide to get. No hierarchal bullshit on this expedition, Gerion speech clearly makes this an effort of all of them. So everyone gets at least a reward after doing their work, and going through the hells that are Valyria ruins.
If we have more loot we can gift something to Sandor and Tyrion (giving Tyrion some treasures would be good for his business. And Sandor for reward his protection). And Tywin..... We still will have to protect our new family from him when we make it back to Westeros. Giving Brightroar in a certain way will be the tool for ensure that protection, beside the retinue we will make.
The real reward for Jason here (for his own growth), would be able to understand even a fraction of the structures made here in Valyria. Public baths, aqueducts, great canals and dams etc.... are a mix both of superior sciences and magic. Its unlikely Jason will be able to truly replicate what the Valyrians did back home, but he can adapt what he has seen and learned for try and remake it in the Westernlands with his skill and knowledge instead. It should still provide good results, and the structures themselves a positive for the Westernlands.
>>6396634
Not sure how we keep them out of Cersei /Robert hands. Unless we want to stop in Kings Landing for sometime and throw our new found influence around for that to happen. Would also mean not going to the Westernlands for a while, and going somewhere else (means we do no projects, but we can study/look at something).
Though Joffrey was starting to get domestic animals kills, and bullying early on....
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>>6396880
>>6396888
Joffrey had every chance to be raised properly, itms just that Cersei was a high functioning sociopath who didn’t understand the appeal of being high functioning and spoiled him rotten, and Robert was a bad father because he never could heal from all the death in his life, such as his parents and Lyanna.
And Cersei beat out anything left he had.
Had Robert been the middle child, he might have been happier. Had he been allowed to be a storm lord, he might have been happier.
But instead he was just placed on the throne and left to rot while everything ran itself and he was allowed to feed his bottomless dispair, because no one loved him enough to make him be better or heal.
Had Ned been hand of the king from Day one, Robert would have healed and been a good king.
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>>6396880
Hierarchy is a necessity. Technically Gerion is the founder of and leader of this expedition. Jason technically transferred his authority to Lady Lannister Asha. Making her de facto second in command. Third in Command would be Dara because of the troops he brought along but even he has to listen to Jason(Asha) and Gerion.
To remind everyone Asha is DESPERATE for achievements, loot, and renown in order to rally support and reavers to her banner so she feels SAFE enough to start a family. Gerion wants Brightroar to prove a point since he's been under Tywin's shadow his entire life. Dara is bored of life and wants a proper challenge for once.
Returning to Westerlands is a TERRIBLE idea because it puts directly under Tywins thumb(again). We would be far better off directly ignoring it and heading to the Iron Islands to press Asha's claim instead. Assuming we don't visit King's Landing as or the North.
Honestly right now we are best off following Asha's lead and letting her build up her retinue and banner. As the Lannister Heir Tywin can cripple and sabotage us at will. Tywin cannot do that to another Great Realm's heir when she is no longer trapped by him and will be willing to have a family. If we want to make a personal move I would suggest making moves in King's Landing or other realms. Basically, anywhere Tywin cannot just flip over.
>>6397166
I have a few plans that can really flip the board over on that front. Hard part is not getting murdered by eunuch or littlefinger but I think the trolling and chaos we would cause from mapping out king's landing and the red keep with its underground should keep them distracted for long enough.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JWZ7pd0DKs
This reminded me, we should build gates in the depths of Casterly Rock. At least a few extras beyond the one that probably protects the cavern bay where the ships are held. And release some cats in the tunnels. Ships can also have cats, you know? We should get a ship's cat.
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>>6396229
>>Focus on finding Tools, weapons, armor, and other gear left behind by the Valyrians. Asha believes that such things will bring you renown and power, and thinks any valyrion blade will do.
>Seek out a Dragonlords manse. Medium Value, low population, high magic
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>>6397198
I would do moves in Volantis, since we would have gotten, in theory, treasures here in Valyria, and Tyrion should get something going in Volantis; And with that, we are financially independent. And by moves, I mean investing in making money and getting the retinue going right from here. Ironborn reavers, hedgeknights, sellswords, anyone we can take and test, to build the retinue now. Get some serious and loyal protection under our control. We have the right group of people to make it: Sandor, Asha herself, Humfrey, and even Dara, if he doesn't leave us after Valyria.
>>6397166
How old is Joffrey now?
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Rant about crossbows incoming.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc8v27Kd6w
Also in regards to crossbows being armor piercing, this is a particularly large and powerful crossbow at relatively close range against what would be considered standard armor to be produced en masse. Which is itself thinner than the armor worn by horsemen and nobles. And much thinner than the armor a mounted knight would wear.
Might break a rib or give serious bruising, and it would definitely put you in a position where you wouldn't want to fight with your armor compromised. Though there are other bolt heads that penetrate armor better would likely directly injure or cause casualty. At further ranges, like 100 feet or more it would be less effective. And at skirmishing range it would be largely ineffective against plate armors and only marginally effective against ringed armors with gambeson beneath. Throw shields into the mix and at best you will cause minor injuries to hands and arms at close range. Which is why you should never leave home without a shield.
This isn't accounting for deflection caused by angles and slopes. Glancing hits on someone turned to present less flat surfaces. Against chain or ring armors deflection typically isn't a problem though, it'll catch in the negative space between the links based on geometry, though you'd still have to be decently close to get through the mail and whatever is beneath it. Unless they were just rocking a regular shirt. Presuming you want to ensure casualties. Keeping in mind that casualties are just people being rendered combat ineffective, not strictly dead. Those are fatalities.
This is why massed fire is typically the only real way to use ranged weapons in warfare. You're bound to hit a joint if a few dozen projectiles are launched at someone. Which again, is why you never leave home without a shield. This is also why bowmen at sea are so dangerous, because most warriors on the sea will rock lighter armors for fear of drowning if thrown overboard. Even chainmail is decently heavy, though it won't fill with water or soak up any to add to its weight if you're put in the drink. Unlike padded surcoats which WILL soak up and increase in weight exponentially, though still not so heavy as to drag you down on their own.
Rant over. We do exist in a fantasy world where logic is sidelined for cool shit often enough kek. I wouldn't put too much stock in this sort of thing.
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>>6397166
>no one loved him enough to make him be better or heal
The way you phrased it is fucking heartbreaking. Poor Bobby.
Actually, I have a question for you about this. In the GoT mod for CK3, I once did a play through as Robert and led a campaign against the Wildlings before later starting a war to conquer the Stepstones. Obviously we won't go for anything like that in this quest, but if Robert had tried something similar in the books, do you think it would have helped cure his depression? Maybe even have led to him being a more involved father to his children?
>>6397198
>Asha is DESPERATE for achievements
The good news is that if everyone in the expedition is okay with it ahead of time, then different people can hog the glory in front of different groups.
At the Iron Islands, we can tell everyone that Asha did all the work. At the Summer Isles, Dara is the living legend. At King's Landing, Gerion was the mastermind. At Casterly Rock and in front of Tywin, Jason is the hero who recovered Brightroar.
Again, only if everyone is cool with it beforehand, but if so, then we can all get what we want, irrespective of the loot and treasure. Speaking of which, I think the expedition should agree to not divide up the loot until we actually make it back to safety. In the mean time, everything just goes onto the pile.
>>6397237
I doubt that sellswords and hedgeknights will be useful since Tywin has the armies of the Westerlands at his back. No matter how many warriors we rally, Tywin will have more.
The safer bet is to try and make friends in high places; people whom Tywin can't just throw an army at.
The Hightowers (and by extension the Tyrells) are untouchable for now, so that's a good start. Robert is also a useful friend to have. Pycelle supports the Lannister family, but that mostly means Tywin. Ned is a good man, although I don't know how much help he'd be.
Jason's biggest advantage is that he is the rightful heir to The Westerlands. Pissing off Tywin is bad in the short term, but plenty of people will want the long term benefits of helping out Jason; a Lannister always pays their debts, and Jason is scheduled to one day inherit the richest piggy bank in the seven kingdoms. Someone like Littlefinger would be tripping over himself just to earn favors from Jason early on whilst he's still "naive and impressionable".
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>>6397266
Crossbows definitely are armor piercing, just not... *plate*-armor piercing. I'd like to see chainmail try and stop that crossbow you used as an example. Against a man-at-arms or even a hedge knight you're gonna tear them a new one.
I'd think the premium "anti-armor" ranged weapon to be some freak of nature archer (like how Barristan and Jamie are with a sword, Bobby B is with a hammer, etc) and an excellent bow taking shots at gaps in armor.
Or, my favorite, a sling. David-and-goliath some MF using a lead slug. Won't go through a helmet but you're gonna leave a dent in their skull THROUGH the helmet if you get a high-tier freak using it, and ring their bell if it's just a normal.
Anti-armor melee weapons head-and-shoulder above all others (barring a warlance, which cheats by using a horse) is, of course, a poleax/warhammer/warpick/mace. Those just have no comparison given their ability to transfer a lot of force into a veeeery small point; or just transfer enough force to concuss someone and bash their helmet in. See Bobby V Rhaegar, wherin Bobby was strong enough to cave in his *chest plate* instead of just concuss him like a normie could.
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>>6397269
Not thinking about making an army, just some strong protection to count upon, like a retinue of our own put through the grinder by Sandor, Asha, Humfrey, and Dara. Going back with only our companions and Latterborns seems... a bad idea. Small in terms of security, even more so if we return rich and with kids. And since we will likely suffer losses in Valyria.... see what I mean? I ain't stopping anyone, I just don't want to feel a bit too tasty a morsel.
For the rest, sure, we can try something with Robert. Or the Hightowers/Tyrells, with the Martells, maybe even. And the Ironislands.
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>>6397269
>No matter how many warriors we rally, Tywin will have more.
That's true.
But it isn't about having enough martial might to defeat Tywin in a hypothetical civil war. It's about having enough martial might that we cannot be readily controlled with direct violence.
If Jason has a small cadre of homies like Sandor and Dara, and friends in high places like Robert or Olenna, it may give Tywin some pause before he does something such as ship our kids off to be wards and marriage tokens for his schemes. Or putting us under house arrest at the Rock so we don't further risk his legacy project. Or whatever other thing he wants to do.
But only pause. Because he still has more or less the largest amount of political influence and the largest, most dominant army, and his Clegane is bigger than ours. He could and would still manhandle our retinue and slap us around if we were sufficiently defiant.
If we have even JUST a dozen ships worth of Reavers, suddenly that kind of enforcement is not just cause for hesitation. It's cause for calculation. Can he afford the diplomatic incident and reputational harm of not just having Asha smacked around a bit and our buddies beaten... but scores of Ironborn warriors slain? Because they would fight Lannister troops (and lose) to defend Asha's kids, and suddenly this alliance is looking more like a civil war.
If we have the Iron Fleet, and a mercenary company with some Latter-Born officers scattered through the ranks, then it isn't just a diplomatic incident. Then, even though he will still ultimately win, he will do so at a cost - regiments of Lannister troops dead, many more wounded, and probably weeks of supplies or resources expended in order to carry out the brief, bloody, and publicly embarrassing campaign. Now the math doesn't add up. He can't tell us what to do because he can no longer afford it.
This applies to more than just Tywin.
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>>6397271
>Crossbows definitely are armor piercing
Every weapon is armor piercing if you hit with enough force sufficiently focused.Which is why the distinction between what is and isn't armor piercing is actually based on geometry more than anything. All that armor piercing denotes is that it has a narrower point of contact with whatever armor it is striking. A bow is in fact just as armor piercing as a crossbow, should they both be using the correct tips. Crossbows need a higher draw weight to keep up with bows owing to the acceleration window being longer for bows. Crossbows do have a higher ceiling to this because of material and mechanical limitations, but once you start reaching those points you start having crossbows that you need an entire crank for, or that you can't comfortably wield while being mobile. Now obviously this is a game of semantics, but I do like to make a point of it. Solely to combat the misconception that if you have a crossbow you can just ignore armor. If you have a sufficiently powerful weapon you can, that's all.
As for against mail armor, yeah, it'll punch through without issue at close range. But so will a bow, honestly. Mail armors in general are purpose built to resist cutting attacks. Bludgeoning and piercing attacks perform way better against it. Even a smaller, less powerful crossbow zips right through mail with direct fire at close range. But ideally you'd be wielding a shield.All the characters that use two weapons instead of a weapon and shield would be considered very foolish irl despite how cool it can be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvMm4jM49ig
This is why being rich really helps an army. Getting everyone some manner of plate on gambeson or plate on mail on gambeson means your footsoldiers can more surely engage with fewer injuries. It's true that plate armor is just built different in terms of defense, not that any weapons are particularly bad because of its existence. It's like facing an endgame boss, it is already scaled for the strongest weapons you can bring.
It's true though. Being a good shot is the most important thing. Accuracy, not power, makes ranged weapons formidable.
>bobby b
He should have gone boar hunting with his hammer. The BOOOAAAARRR never would have gotten a chance if its entire skull was flattened by a hammer. No tusks to gore with when your entire head is a pancake.
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>>6397269
> do you think it would have helped cure his depression? Maybe even have led to him being a more involved father to his children?
No not at all, because warfare was just the same as drink, food, and women. It would just be more to toss in the void, and after the war ended, he would go right back to before. Robert doesn’t need war or drink or food or women to be happy. None of that worked before.
>>6397237
He’d be between 5 and 6 years old right now.
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>>6397280
We should get some men to work for us. The only worry is their loyalty. They might want to try and steal the treasures. We'd need to keep the original crews of the expedition to watch over the treasures, which would be kind of shitty to exclude them from the celebrations but we'd be able to trust them. It's a pickle, innit?
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>>6397237
>>6397280
On the topic of personal retinue/entourage specifically, I think that so long as Dara sticks it out with us long term (and if we do some travelling after Valyria, especially if there are some tourneys at certain destinations for him to compete in, he will be sufficiently entertained to hang and likely endeared enough to stay even when he's bored again), we are pretty set. Tyrion's a great thinker, Asha and Sandor are truly top tier fighters, Humfrey seems solid, and Dara is probably one of the best archers alive, which is an overlooked combat skill that most every other major player of the Game seems to lack. All we're missing is a professional schmoozer, and maybe an Intel guy, but we could find someone that's both. A spymaster of some kind and a bard, or renowned courtier? Would be good to have a proper Maester as well, or at least someone more learned than us in things like medicine, ravenry, and metallurgy. Tyrion's got a brilliant mind, but his study seems mainly to be history, strategy, economics, stuff like that, he isn't a scientist. Perfect business partner and vizier, though, and we know we can trust him 1000% which, in this setting, is worth all the gold in Casterly Rock.
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>>6397288
>that second spoiler
I agree that outsides it would be foolish, but what about indoors? Would the benefits then become more reasonable? Genuine question, since I don't know much about the discussion topic here.
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>>6397296
As long as the shield isn't so big as to wedge itself on the walls or in a doorway, the shield would still be better indoors. Since you still get an entire area where you can stop yourself from getting hit. Ultimately not dying or losing bits of yourself is considered ideal in combat, often even over killing the other bastard. So anything that facilitates that is top tier. Cause you can also still bash someone to death with a shield. No one wants to get punched with the rim of an iron buckler. As long as you have room to stab with your other weapon, shields are fine. Swinging is still good but stabbing is better in context. Less stuff to god wrong with it.
But if you didn't have a shield, yeah, may as well have a dagger in your other hand. But wrestling is where it's at indoors. Assuming 1 on 1 combat. Already close enough that getting stuck in is inevitable, playing your ground game better than theirs will probably win you more fights that way.
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>>6396641
>For one, Dorne storyline in the book does not have Oberyn's wife killing Myrcella, inface she is protected by Doran because of her being a child and her political use.
that's because dorne is martins golden boys. if anyone did half the shit they've done in the books they'd been geocided and replaced with new nobility. especially after they betrayed house Targaryen and even killed the king under a banner of peace.
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We could just have dara or somebody shoot tywin. Technically it isn't kin slaying. Anyway I think in ny opinion it'd be cool if we altered the timeliness by killing tywin early. Just seems a intresting way to change the timeline
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>>6397321
The reasons for Dorne to not have been properly conquered make sense with their terrain and tactics, not to mention the Rhoynar having experience shooting down dragons and having brought that to Dorne.
I think the narrative does a good job selling Dorne’s survivability as well as the Martells.
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>>6397327
We can't because that's what Asha will ask Dara to do when we attend to Jason's celebration for his defenses of Lannisport after Tywin threatened to send Asha's first son to the Tyrells, having Dara shoot him all the way when he passes the gate and he's in open sea, unable for the Guards or anyone to go after
Or maybe Tywin turns into a good guy and there's no need for it :)
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>>6397237
Tyrion has a temporary bottomless moneybag until Tywin catches on that Jason gave it to him and cuts him off. Hence Tyrion going into business for himself with the funds Jason gave to him via Lannister Heir credit before Tywin finds out. Also why he has Sandor until he has his own bodyguards and retinue setup. Tyrion right now is busy trying to cover his own ass and establish his own family. Jason already gave him all the help he possibly could including the Lannister Heir name and checkbook. Jason already showed his face and directly supported Tyrion with his dealings.
Asha needs loot to show off and renown to gather Reavers with their ships to her banner. When word spreads they'll show up on their own to confirm it for themselves and then she'll have her time to shine. Tywin recently sabotaged the initiative Jason setup but the Hightowers went through with. So there are gonna be quite a few frustrated, upset, and angry hedgeknights who won't mind following, assuming they can travel that far. It's practically nonexistent for them to be granted such a HUGE opportunity and oh boy did Tywin ever fuck them over. So they'll come running. Sellswords are...mercs. So long as we have coins, we have them. The problem is Tywin has a LOT more coin than we do.
Hedgeknights will follow wherever Jason goes on account of Jason throwing them a bone and the same is true to a lesser extent to other men at arms. We can expect to see similar results from latterborn nobles as well. So we can expect them to gather once word spreads about us surviving. So we can expect a lot of 3rd+ nobles showing up. Given our blatant acceptance of Summer Islander women and Dornish Bastard noblewomen...we can expect some rather strange ones to show up too. Probably not Dornish if not for Asha's presence and influence.
>>6397271
A sling works but you gotta be a BIG son of a bitch to put enough strength behind it with lead shot. Bows too but it depends on the make of the bow and how strong the archer is. Crossbows are unique in their depedent entirely on the manufacturing process rather than how big and strong the man using it is.
Unsurprisingly there is no info on the strength of bows besides the best 3 being Dragonbone, Summer Islander wood, and weirwood bows making the best bows. Everything else sucks compared to those 3 apparently and all three except for those from the summer islands are exceedingly rare. With Summer Islander bows noted for their extreme range and accuracy(see easily sniping from towerships). Considering how only summer islands are the only ones still capable of mass producing bows from among the top 3 its little wonder why they are among the most renowned.
For obvious reasons, Westeros would be suppressing crossbow development given its superior armor piercing ability. Just look at what happened to the weirwood bows. You think the lords and knights want shit like that being much more common? They despise the existence of summer islander bows.
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>>6397269
Asha also needs loot to show off before the Ironborn and prove she is willing to share the loot with her followers. Basically she needs to prove she can get results and that its worth following her. Dara is dying of boredom. He just wants the challenge and to feel alive again. Even wars don't do that for him anymore. Treasure really isn't what he is after. Gerion wants the Brightroar. Asha is the one most desperate for loot as it's the best possible proof she can get to prove that she isn't bullshitting when it comes to sailing the smoking sea nad returning alive. Plus it showcases her ability to get RESULTS. Dara's followers are inspired by him and want to be as skilled. Gerion's followers are suicidal for glory and riches. Anyone who cared more about their lives had already fled. Not to say that Dara or his followers won't want a share(especially if we find a Dragonbone bow for example) but it's really not that high on their priority list. Want they want is a challenge and to prove their valour/skill.
>>6397280
We need enough troops to put up a good enough fight that Tywin cannot easily brute force it and form enough connections that it becomes too much of a headache to deal with. Its worth pointing out that both Jason AND Asha's connections/forces count for this but Jason's forces get hampered by being outranked by Tywin.
>>6397285
Exactly. We cannot outright stop Tywin but we can be enough of a pain in the ass to deal with that it isn't worth it for him to steamroll over us. Which is vital as otherwise Asha doesn't want kids. Asha will only bear children when she has enough troops to feel safe. Aka put up enough of a fight that its too embarassing for Tywin to take them by force. Tywin won't do it if the math doesn't add up and it makes House Lannister look too bad. Like kidnapping his own grandchildren in a very public and blood affair by fighting a very bloody and embarassing campaign. That isn't something he can tolerate.
>>6397289
>5-6 years old
So still in time to keep up from being a full blown sociopath if we show up in King's Landing in time huh? Maybe visiting King's Landing to grab Robert, Jaime, and Jeffery before heading North would be a good idea. Make sure to leave Cersei behind. Take Jeffery and Jaime as an excuse of bodyguard and finding a place to ward him. Only person I can really think of that can help Robert with his depression is Ned.
>>6397327
Asha will be teaming up with the Martells to plot Tywin's assassination. It's no secret we have a Martell spy/intermediary in our retinue to stay in touch and it's definitely not for Jason. Martells don't take Jason seriously for obvious reasons but Asha is a different beast entirely.
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>>6397328
they shot down one dragon and it was entirely by luck. hell in the aftermath it's said that they burned down every town in dorne twice. honestly considering that and how the multi year occupation the majority of the population should have been murdered or died to the famine that should have followed.
sure guerilla tactics are great but the problem is but it doesn't nearly work as well when you aren't receiving foreign support, your enemy is willing to genocide your population (so you don't hide among the civilian population), they are willing to spend years occuping, and your enemy are relatively close so they don't have to travel half-way across the world to get to you.
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>>6397336
>Even wars don't do that for him
Summer Islander wars. Not the same thing as the wars in Westeros or Essos. The closest thing he gets to doing to a real war is shooting rulebreakers and pirates. But I can see Dara opting to become an explorer just to see what he can find and kill across the world.
>Gerion's followers are suicidal for glory and riches
Gerion's men all ditched him. His followers are the guys we brought along and he inspired. I don't think Gerion is quite the best leader, but he is a wonderful speaker. And the men we brought along were almost all dudes that Asha talent scouted and hired on. Basically, thank Asha for finding men with BALLS.
>bobbert and de portion
We just need to get the guy a hobby. We should introduce him to blocks. Or ships in bottles. Or blocks in bottles. Wouldn't it be nice to build instead of destroy? Pick up the rock, Bobby!
>>6397348
The problem with hunting for the Dornish is that you'd need to be in Dorne. After burning down all the towns. So you have no infrastructure to rely upon to facilitate your search. So they dusted off their hands and decided they probably got enough of them. Of course they didn't because they foolishly did not just dam up and boil away the rivers which WOULD have doomed the Dornish as well as the Orphans. The Orphans who were surely supporting the hiding Dornishmen and were likely overlooked as a target by the Targs because they kind of just vibe out of sight and don't get involved with shit.
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>>6397349
Not to mention most attempts to attack Dorne fall into the weakness of dragons. They cannot hold territory or deal with asymmetric warfare.
That’s why the Targs needed armies and bothered to negotiate. They can’t burn the entire realm and expect to rule it after.
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>>6397353
Just like planes today. Yeah we can bomb a place back to the stone age. Doesn't mean we can do anything with it from the sky. Truly dragons are attack helicopters.
If we ever get a dragon I say we name it Apache.
>They can’t burn the entire realm and expect to rule it after.
>[laughs in mad king]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9jApIaIMAs
They briefly mention that law about banning crossbows by the pope that an anon earlier brought up in this one. At around 20 minutes and 30 seconds in. Which apparently was about bowmen, crossbowmen, and siege weapons used against fellow Christians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH431Lguuis&t=3s
I just wanted to share this cause it reminded me that an anon said something about it. I will now stop sperging about crossbows kek
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>>6397336
>heading North
>help Robert with his depression is Ned.
OH! We have the perfect political justification for the trip as well; Asha really ought to get to reunite with Theon.
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>>6397353
Hmmm, speaking of Dorne...
I hope we get to ask Sarella what Oberyn would have done with Jason and Asha if we had surrendered to them out at sea rather than fight back.
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>>6397395
>Inb4 Tywin flips shit because we hand money to one of our house's greatest rivals specifically to fund her development of a spy apparatus whilst keeping her close at hand
I am still operating on the assumption that the next time we spend a significant amount of time around Tywin, we have mercenaries or at least a flock of Reavers to swing around. Plus it isn't something Jason needs to run past his dad anyways, or get 'approval' for, ideally it'll be very under wraps anyways.
She's a Sand Snake and while they aren't exactly an A Team, they are formidable enough. Just like with Asha, if we invest in her early we could make something out of Sarella.
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>>6397395
Well we could never fully trust her, being as she is Oberyn's daughter and would thus have split interests at best. If the Martells had the same things in mind that we did and we managed to see eye to eye in general it wouldn't be awful. But we can't guarantee such cooperation, so relying on her to put us before her family would be a fool's gambit.
If we were in a position to need a spymaster, Tyrion would be a decent choice. But until then all espionage would probably go through Tywin and his networks or Asha and hers.
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>>6397395
Practically speaking, it's not a good idea. She herself is a good spy, that doesn't mean she'd be good at coordinating a spy network. Furthermore, she'd hardly be loyal.
Narratively speaking? It'd be funny as hell. Tywin would have a fucking aneurysm.
>>6397397
>But until then all espionage would probably go through Tywin and his networks or Asha and hers.
Pycelle is pretty loyal to the Lannister family. Is he any good at espionage or spy orchestrating?
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>>6397447
I wouldn't trust Pycelle. In terms of raw skill he's lesser than most of the schemers in the realm. He just has good connections and station. He's a supremely convenient scapegoat however, being as he is in the capital. He's also learned in many things. As an agent in King's Landing he's okay. But he's also a pushover who would break in short order under any real pressure. And around Varys and Littlefinger he's out of his depth.
I'm also pretty sure he's just in it for the money and what little power his position holds, it just so happens the Lannisters are fucking loaded and they're willing to exploit him.
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>>6397395
While it would be hilarious and give Tywin an aneurysm, the problem is our spymaster would be going up directly against the likes of Varys and Littlefinger directly from the start. Even Tywin ends up getting killed by them in the long run in canon(he did last a while though gotta give him credit there). So far, we have an indirect means of neutralizing the Martells Doran thanks to Jason being that much of a goober for playing the Great Game(By the Seven, I wish we could have seen his reaction upon finding out from Oberyn) and Asha's ploys.
Realistically, she is a Martell Sand Snake and frankly doesn't have the skills to compete on that level at all. Even Asha isn't yet on that level, despite being forced to speedrun her intrigue skills for the past three years from getting her ass handed to her on a silver platter by Tywin the whole time and many many beatings for her failures. She is definitely far ahead of canon Asha in terms of intrigue but Littlefinger and Varys are total monsters in terms of intrigue.
Honestly, I don't even know where we can FIND a spymaster that can compete with them, given how even Tyrion got fucked over by them canonically. The only person I can think of who can handle it is Olenna and that requires a marriage alliance with Margaery, with our direct heir to get on her onboard, even then, she is old lady. Margaery could do it but she needs years of careful growth to stand a chance.
Normally, I would wanna suggest Tyrion but Tyrion...he is vizier material NOT spymaster material. He can certainly handle himself as a Hand of the King and even a commander/quartermaster. Even hold his own for intrigue but going up against Littlefinger and Varys is frankly too much for him. He ain't no academic nor is he full blown intrigue master despite his wits. He has too much of a heart and love makes him stupid to be a truly qualified intrigue master.
Asha, on the other hand absolutely has the viciousness, wits, cruelty, and cunning required to excel in intrigue. She previously focused on martial and command pursuits until being forced to focus on intrigue after being kidnapped and married. Which ironically fixed her greatest canonical weakness. Not being able to solve all her problems via ax to skull or leadership has forced her to seriously plot properly for once.
So most likely similar to our diplomatic channels we'll likely be forced to lean on her for our intrigue channels as well to prevent Tywin's active sabotage/interference. As he cannot outright block or interfere in another Great House's affairs like that. Gamewise we have to hope that the QM will throw us a bone for a homebrew spymaster character who can get the job done otherwise, we are kinda screwed for surviving against Varys and Littlefinger(especially in King's Landing RIP).
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>>6397396
Asha is hellbent on recruiting however many reavers she can get her hands on before returning for obvious reasons. Tyrion is actively recruiting people for himself. Unknown how many he can spare or lend(the only muscle he started with was Sandor, which we lended him to get him started). When we return to Westeros and send out a call to arms. We can expect quite a few hedgeknights and latterborn nobles to respond given our feats and values.
Tywin's offers don't hold the amount of allure and weight to those men at arms and hedgeknights when he so blatantly fucked them over in mass after Jason's very public offerings to them. While his expedition feats would give hope to any latterborn with crazy balls and glory. Downside is the Latterborn nobles showing up while ballsy are definitely gonna be some crazy and eccentric mofos. Not just anyone is gonna wanna follow the Mad Lion or be so close to a wannabe Reaver Queen after all. Hedgeknights at least have the excuse of desperation and ambition.
>>6397397
The Martell's barely changed their minds after proving our honor/principles, contrast vs Tywin, and complete ineptitude in the Great Game followed by metaphorically throwing our wife at them for a duel against Oberyn. Possibly the most Dornish Shuffle thing ever. Basically, we did a LOT to prove how different we are from Tywin while outright offering them a key piece and figure they can negotiate/ally with instead, who isn't a filthy Lannister. Which they can therefore stomach dealing with.
That required making every right choice possible and a write in to make them neutral towards Jason BARELY. They still very much hate the Lannisters but simply can't bring themselves to consider Jason a threat whatsoever. Meanwhile, we 'coincidentally' gave them a piece in the Great Game who COULD offer them IMMENSE value for targeting Tywin directly and admitting to not minding to help them take out the Mountain as well.
Not enough to buy goodwill or to make Dorne stop hating us but enough to ensure the Martells no longer consider us a problem. Instead, they are far more interested in what Asha can offer. The Martell's at this point are Asha's problem until they want to draw the Mountain out for a trap. As for Asha...they are her first serious prospective ally among the Great Houses. As they also want her father in law dead very badly. Not to mention, they have no bias against her as a woman or her preferences/habits. So they are her obvious first choice despite being married to a Lannister.
So long as we have Asha and keep being 'harmless' they don't see a reason to target Jason any longer. Just not worth it. Getting rid of Jason means dealing with a much riskier unknown Lannister in the future. Better to get rid of Tywin and then write off the Lannisters completely when Jason takes over. Just like when the Laughing Lion was in charge. Wild card would be Asha but currently they are feeling her out and may end up allying with her so again no problem.
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>>6397482
Just because they don't have a reason to actively want you dead doesn't mean they won't kill you to further their goals. Or put you in horrible situations via intrigue. If this awful world if they ain't your ally, they're your enemy. And even then sometimes you can't trust em.
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>>6397481
So long as we stay out of King's Landing we can survive against Varys and Littlefinger because canonically that is what got Tywin killed when he was finally lured there long term. They were finally able to get him somewhere where they could reach him and planned around it. Tywin can keep protecting us from them so long as we don't stay in King's Landing.
King's Landing is very much a death trap for us without an amazing spymaster. It is the favorite playground of Varys and Littlefinger for a reason.There is a reason why even someone like the Queen of Thorns didn't want to stay there for long.
I am admittedly quite curious who Tywin's spymaster actually is. I have no doubt we met the person in question but we wouldn't know who is Tywin's spymaster and that person is good enough to keep Tywin and his most important people alive so long as they don't actively enter the nest of Varys and Littlefinger. So, just a tier below them in terms of effectiveness roughly at most. Still one of the best spymasters in the world. Just not a full blown monster tier.
>>6397483
I'm not saying they're friendly, technically they're barely neutral at best and getting rid of Jason means replacing him with an unknown factor who is far harder to deal with, while enraging his widow and other Lannisters, who are much bigger problems to deal with. Jason meanwhile is a harmless goober in the Game of Thrones. Gee, I wonder why they would prefer?
Same reason why nobody wanted to kill the Laughing Lion. Keeping him alive causes far more problems and is far more beneficial than killing him. Its an extremely odd position for the Martells to acknowledge but its true and Doran is smart enough to admit that. Even Oberyn acknowledged it otherwise his relationship level would still be hostile. Of course this doesn't apply to other Dornish or other Martell house members who likely disagree with them both. Which says a lot when someone as hateful, consumed by vengeance, and obsessed as Oberyn turns neutral instead of forever hostile.
I"m sure Doran's daughter may try something anyway, given her daddy issues but doing so threatens the plans they want to hatch to target Tywin via Asha and use Jason to lure out the Mountain. So again getting rid of Jason is more harmful. Plotting around him can offer gains so long as you don't go so overboard as to alarm those around him.
Hence biggest problem for intrigue is Varys and Littlefinger. Despite Doran also being a monster level plotter.
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>>6397487
I'm pretty sure Tywin handles his schemes himself. The closest thing he has to a spymaster is however many intermediaries he has hired so that things don't get traced back to him.
>otherwise his relationship level would still be hostile
To be fair that's metagaming since Jason doesn't know that. But also even in canon Oberyn was willing to give Tyrion a pass, he didn't really give a fuck about him. Whether Tyrion lived or died as a result of his actions didn't matter in the slightest to Oberyn.
Arianne fucking things up by accident would be on brand for her. Bad luck girlie. Oh fuck oh man she isn't going to wanna jump Jason's bones once she finds out he went to goddamn Valyria, is she? Ah man. I hope not. What a pain in the dick. That's like 100% her type. Fuck. Well good news is we'll probably never meet her, so that's nice. Probably.
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>>6397487
I already have Tywin’s spy master lined up actually, and they’re probably equal to Little finger or Varys when it comes to their network in Westeros. Outside their contacts are limited, but inside it’s much stronger.
>>6397482
I’ll look into providing a Doran Martell POV, mostly cause I love the idea and also to help further establish things for the players. Also it’ll pad out my next post that I’ve been slow on.
>>6397395
This is something I hadn’t considered, and will say that her disposition is a score you can improve.
Not to mention her and Humfrey’s relationship is rather strong even if it’s one the rocks.
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>>6397397
>Well we could never fully trust her, being as she is Oberyn's daughter and would thus have split interests at best.
>>6397447
>Furthermore, she'd hardly be loyal.
>>6397483
>If this awful world if they ain't your ally, they're your enemy.
Please see:
>>6397523
>her disposition is a score you can improve.
As far as aptitude goes, I would make the following case:
>Canonically, Qyburn has no established history of coordinating or managing a spy network, but he inherits a large portion of Varys's and is able to both maintain and utilize it
>Sarella may not have the ability to establish or manage a spy network at the moment, but she is also a teenager. We don't have the ability to cast a real spell, and Asha is not yet able to beat Oberyn in a fight or even pose much of a challenge. That can all change, and I suspect will change, over the next ten years.
>Sarella being on this trip and being in our orbit at this young age gives us a longer span of time to develop loyalty, instead of waiting until we are 28 or 30 to find a spymaster and then have to build that bond.
>As a Sand Snake in canon, it's established that Sarella does have/will have skill in espionage and combat, and again, has already proven herself to be a capable enough spy. At her age, I suspect Varys and Baelish were quite similar, acquiring secrets personally using their own deceptive powers. If we invest in this now, by the time we are fully in our prime, she may very well be able to compete.
>This would give us a much more solid in with the Martell's, which some of you have shown an interest in, and if we played it right, our rivals wouldn't see it coming until it's too late - even Tywin may be surprised.
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>>6397523
>I already have Tywin’s spy master lined up actually,
I bet his name's Richard. And I bet he's just as much of a dick as Tywin. kek
>>6397553
>Please see:
Hey man you can be as friendly as you like with someone, it doesn't mean they won't have other obligations just as important to them. Unless she winds up hating her family and abandoning them it'll always be something to be concerned about.
Listen to the Tywin in your heart, anon. Join our OnlyFamily.
>>6397574
Supposing that is true, that is how I assumeQuaithe is alive, since she's probably someone important from history, or just, you know, someone living in fucking Asshai of all places.. But I also assume that it wouldn't stop you from having your skull caved in by a rock.
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>>6397590
>doesn't mean they won't have other obligations just as important to them.
Well, if her obligations to us are just as important to her as those to her family, using your phrasing there, my assumption would be that she'd look for a compromise that allows her to meet both OR be as likely to ultimately side with us as with her family. If that kind of concern is enough to keep one from cultivating Sarella as an ally/confidant, my counter would be that it applies to everyone else in our orbit too - Sandor (currently paid by Tywin), Humfrey (more closely allied to the Martells and Tyrells than the Lannisters by far), Dara (ultimately out for himself at this point), and even our wife Asha, who has a valid chip on her shoulder about how we even came to be married (and we have gradually raised her disposition such that she loves us, genuinely, and feels conflicted about it). I don't think we have gotten a disposition meter for Sarella yet, but it probably is equal to or higher than the one we have with Tywin.
Not to say I am married to the idea of Sarella being our spymaster but... It seems pretty convenient and I think would be interesting to have a shadow alliance with Oberyn that explodes into relevance once shit starts hitting the fan. Ties well into my larger desire to have Jason become a character that propels the story moreso than he reacts to it.
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>>6397602
>my counter would be that it applies to everyone else in our orbit too
Correct. Do not trust anyone. There are dragons in the floorboards.
More seriously it depends on how the individual character is as a person. We just don't know Sarella well enough yet to actually say conclusively whether we can get her to act in our interests more than anyone else's. Unlike someone like Tywin, who we -know- he is going to act for his idea of family legacy first and foremost. It informs our decisions so to speak, knowing what people are like.
I'm not saying we can't have her work for us or anything. Just to be cautious and vet people. You shouldn't invite foxes into chicken coops and all that, you know? Always be paranoid when choosing who holds your secrets.I'm just voicing that paranoia kek
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>>6397610
I think an angle where we could develop Sarella's friendship is if we develop our friendship with Humfrey enough to ensure he has a good relationship with her. Becoming good friends with him and seeing that he genuinely becomes more active in wanting to have a great relationship with Sarella would be noticed as a positive.
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>>6397625
Alternatively if they decide their thing isn't working out it could put a damper in that approach. We'll have to see how they turn out by the time we get back to "civilization". Trying to fix a relationship doesn't necessarily mean it'll work out. Though I am hopeful they'll sort it and be happy in the end.
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>>6397490
Arianne will try to fuck Jason for two simple reasons-
1 I hate Daddy
2 Badass prettyboy who survived Valyria(being the son of the ENEMY is a bonus)
Of course that won't stop her from trying to kill us despite being warned against it from both her uncle and father because again this is Arianne with all her personal issues that never get resolved and personal ability to accomplish a lot but was never properly mentored.
She'll hear about Jason and be intrigued. Ignore the warnings to leave him alone and approach Asha instead. Deciding to fuck and probably kill Jason instead. Force Doran and Oberyn to intervene, hopefully without destroying the arrangements they're trying to form with Asha. Or some other stupid plot to target Jason for no other reason than 'I hate daddy' and 'I wanna fuck/target the bad boy who I have very specifically been ordered to leave alone'.
So yes typical Arianna trying her best to fuck things up because fuck daddy and my pussy is wet.
>>6397523
I figured as much and given how Tyrion set up shop in Essos to escape him and Jason's escapade. I would imagine Tywin is fixing the weakness in his spy network in Essos ASAP. Top tier spymaster but not monster tier like Varys, Littlefinger, Olenna, Doran, or that jolly fat fuck in the north.
I would imagine Sarella's and Humfrey's relationship is quite the struggle despite having Jason and Asha's relationship dynamic to compare. Total opposite. Hardcore traditionalist knight vs summer islander/dornish woman noble bastard. Like wow talk about complicated and opposites attract. Sad that really only Jason has any grasp of it as even Asha is confused and conflicted on why it works. Jason is...denser than gold and purer than snow.
Ultimately there is a reason why Jason gets along a LOT better with Humfrey than Sarella. For obvious reasons Sarella would lean more towards Asha anyhow.
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>>6397626
Jason gave a sitdown talk with Humfrey on how to handle such a wildly contrary relationship dynamic compared to what he is used to/grew up with followed by a Lannister style speel of 'is it worth it or not'. What Humfrey is struggling with is the betrayal and Sarella is struggling to make up for with sex which isn't working as she would like. Humfrey has grasped the relationship dynamic but he isn't okay with the betrayal response. Sarella doesn't know how to make up properly without resorting to sex because of her upbringing doesn't work too well on super traditional knight. So she is floundering hard. Humfrey while getting advice from Jason doesn't know how to convert that with what's going on with Sarella.
TLDR Sarella is deeply confused that the solution isn't moar sex and Humfrey has accepted the relationship dynamic but isn't happy with her response to the making up for the betrayal
At this point Sarella might have better luck just asking Asha and having her beat some sense into her. Even Asha witholds a lot from Jason but they still love/trust each other just fine.
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>>6397641
Well let's just hope Arianne never gets out to meet Jason.
>relationship issues
It's funny cause Jason is the type to ask if he's tried talking to her about it and Asha is the type to ask if she's tried sucking his dick. It's like watching two goats trying to butt heads but completely missing on the approach every time.
>>6397667
>"THEY'RE TRYING TO MOUNT MY LION!"
>"Dear, calm down, they were just complimenting my schematics."
They were, in fact, trying to mount her lion.
>>6397671
>smörgåstårta
What in the fuck cat vomit of letters word is that? Oh it's Finnish. Carry on.
>Jason: "If only there was a way I could eat while standing at my drawing table without getting grease and gravy all over my work."
>Asha: "Why don't you just build some walls around your food."
>J: [frantically sprinting to the kitchen]
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>>6397667
Asha's sexual paranoia stems from her own honest lewdness with a high libido and Jason being denser than gold and purer than snow(which drives Asha insane), followed by her dark history of miserably failing at seducing him until their wedding for a whole year. Her mate guarding arguably stems from her protectiveness and understanding his difficulty in keeping up with her. Asha doesn't wanna get cockblocked because some harlot beat her to the dicking. This is why Jason takes threesomes as a serious threat from her. Asha ALONE is most difficult for him to keep up with.
Arianna will try to seduce Jason and fail miserably because Jason is...Jason. A man who struggles to grasp husbandly duties, much less anything else(like seducing...or whoring). She'll either decide to kill him or add him to her paramour collection. Either way, this will enrage Asha because unlike Jason, Asha understands sexual undertones and flirtation. Arianna will take it as a challenge because there is no way someone as cute, fit, and adventurous with a lewd horny ass wife could possibly be that innocent and dense, especially a married man no less right?
>>6397675
Jason and Asha both have surprisingly realistic expectations and considerations when it comes to relationships. Jason simply decided he didn't want his marriage with a kidnapped enemy to be fucking miserable and hateful marriage, so he decided to be lenient and accepting so long as she didn't cross the line. Asha meanwhile canonically never got exposed much to Dorne so never realized there was a proper way for her to find a husband properly. This Asha found a man who let her act out and supported her before later finding out about Dorne. Asha's biggest problem was always finding a man who could tolerate her antics and then handle her libido. She was always very responsible in terms of sex and relationships was so honest about it that it alarmed both men and women. She was especially fond of calling out the hypocrisy of ladies with their moon tea consumption and cheating vs the honesty of men with their open whormongering. Brutally so.
Advice wise once you get the obligatory blunt lewdness with Asha, she withholds a LOT in order to maintain her relationship with her pure and dense husband(as revealed with Oberyn). Jason doesn't really grasp that form of nuance. So Asha would go beyond the checks and balances straight towards the secrets and what to withhold from your beloved. As Asha holds a lot back from Jason and many secrets but loves him anyway. A trick about nuance Sarella doesn't grasp.
A dynamic that arguably formed from ambitious Asha's sadism and viciousness vs Jason being a goober puppy who just wants to play with blocks.
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>>6397714
>Arianna will try to seduce Jason and fail miserably
Jason would obviously turn her down because he wouldn't cheat or betray his wife like that.
But Arianna is a Martell. I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to use a paralysis poison on Jason so that she can have her way with him and he can't resist
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>>6397726
>How could you even think of resisting my offer!
>"I'm sure someone else would like you, but I'm spoken for"
>Walks away to kiss the spitting, furious kraken vibrating in murder-make 20 feet away
Luv me wife
Luv me blocks
Luv me brother
'ate me father
Don't like maggots, not raycist just dun like em
simple as.
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>>6397719
I misworded it.
Asha has very high libido but can mostly contain it until she reaches port but prefers having a loverboy onboard when possible. Canonically, she'll take on multiple lovers at a time openly to sate herself. Jason has so far successfully handled it enough to keep her sated but not enough to not fear when he mistook her considering a threesome.
Plus Jason has never even realized what moon tea is, why there is no baby, and frankly prefers other things to do than just fuck but it's Asha's favorite hobby whenever she isn't sailing, fighting, or drinking. Especially as a couple and Asha has a very high libido that she expects him to handle. Jason certainly gets the job done but uh...remains distracted and apparently is nowhere near as horny as Asha is, unsurprisingly.
>>6397723
You are asssuming Jason will ever realize he is being flirted with. If he somehow does, he would turn it down regardless because Asha is both scary and very sexually demanding. Most men would cheer wildly if their wives offered them a threesome with another woman, not react with fear at having to handle another woman in bed at the same time.
Aphrodiasic and drugs yeah depending on how pissed off and offended she gets at being turned down with her bruised ego. Arianna does NOT handle rejection or inability to get what she wants well whatsoever. Jason isn't the cheating type while Asha is protective and territorial. If Arianna is smart/serious about it, she would flirt with Asha first and bed Jason indirectly through her. Asha is the horny one not Jason. Just catch her after a long sailing trip without her hubby for best results.
Of course since she just wants to piss off Daddy she'll ignore his instructions to ignore Jason and befriend Asha. Directly targeting Jason and enraging Asha instead.
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Come to think of it, what kinda kit do you guys think Jason rocks into battle? Obviously he's rich enough for full plate, but I'm thinking after we get back for Total Trauma Islands he'd want to keep buttoned up and extra protected so he'd probably just wear a brigandine everywhere normally if he wasn't about to go into an actual battle where he'd put on his proper plate. Just cause brigandine can be pretty stylish while still looking like plainclothes from a distance. Rock that red and gold fit. Perhaps I am just bitchmade in wanting to wear armor all the time kek.
But what about weapons? Sword and board? Mace and shield? Long axe? Poleaxe? Big sword? How autistically specific do we want to get, too? We know Jason is at least traditionally schooled with the use of swords and how to box, I'm assuming he also knows how to use axes and maces and hammers since those are probably standard for knightly training as well. As well as how to properly apply dagger. Probably a little wrestling as well.
I suppose it depends on if we find spare Valyrian steel weapons here other than Brightroar. Since Tywin is probably going to give that to Jaime. Or keep it on hand for himself as the head of the house. I wonder if they made shields out of Valyrian Steel. A Valyrian steel heater shield sounds pretty dope.
I wonder if we're gonna wind up like Bronze Yohn and have gear with runes all over it.
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>>6397793
>he'd probably just wear a brigandine everywhere normally
Personally, I'm hoping we can find a some Valyrian steel chainmail we can wear under our clothes like Bilbo's mithril shirt. I do agree that brigandine is good looking, but I think wearing it constantly would be bad for Jason's image, making him seem either super warlike or like a giant coward. Weapons-wise, Jason strikes me as a rapier and buckler kind of guy, very much a dex build to complement Asha's axe powerstancing.
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>>6397785
If Arianna uses aphrodisiacs on Jason he'd just tug at his collar, say "Excuse me, feeling a little odd. Pardon me." and then come back 30-90 minutes later with visible hickeys and say "Sorry, I was feeling a bit ill. Where was I?"
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Probably a sword and shield, just because that's the expected lordly weapon and he's no martial master so he rolls with it 'cuz that's what he was trained for.
Honestly though, I think he might do better with a hammer or mace. Less finesse involved, more brute force, and despite being a twink he DOES work out and have some mass.
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>>6397794
Well "all kinds", I doubt we're gonna be proficient with whips and shit you know? lmao I mean besides the ones Asha keeps in the bedroom. But fair, fair.
>>6397796
Armor does send remarkably bad signals at a wedding. But a confusing image for Jason would be pretty fitting. Tywin's son who seems to be nothing like him, seems to have no backbone but actually has strong morals, seems lackadaisical but is actively dutiful with whatever task he has. He's a man of subverted expectations. All because he has funny first impressions.
I do like rapiers. The thicker-bladed ones especially. They look so good. I think I'm more partial in terms of looks to messers though. Since rapiers sometimes look too pretty and refined to fight with, but messers just look like you want to kill someone every time you brandish it.
>>6397797
I think maces get a bad rep. Almost every time someone brings up blunt weapons it's either a wooden club or a hammer. No love for maces. Or morningstars. Not to be confused with flails.
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>>6397793
>Total Trauma Islands
Kek'd!
>Kit
Maybe depends who we train with the most over the next few years.
I think we should have Dara teach us to be an archer, and use all that crossbow autism too. We can build fortresses with secret arrow slots or lines of fire or that are just designed to benefit ranged combat or something lol.
For a melee, I think we should go with a short spear. Didn't we get some throwing spears/javelins?
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>>6397796
>rapier and buckler
I'd be so down with a rapier/saber/cutlass/whatever swashbuckling vibe for Jason.
>>6397800
>I think maces get a bad rep.
Agreed. I would push that direction if Jason was bigger or stronger, honestly. Does Humfrey fight with a mace or sword? Humfrey feels like a mace-weilding name, Jason is a sword name.
>Can you elaborate?
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>>6397805
>Maybe depends who we train with the most over the next few years.
>train with sandor
>get really good at talking shit
Jason would probably be pretty decent at ranged combat owing to his nerd ability to math. And yeah Oberyn donated some nice throwing spears. All the fancy noble people would turn up their noses at spears though. The king of goddamn warfare for thousands of years but now they think they're better than them. Hubris amirite? Spears are pretty based.
>>6397809
No I feel you there. Humfrey is a meaty, powerful name. Totally a mace name. And Jason is a flowing, nimble name, very swordy. Just like Samson is a jawbone name.
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>>6397793
>Come to think of it, what kinda kit do you guys think Jason rocks into battle?
A plate mail for a Lannister Lord really. Something good, and not too heavy. Likely decorated but not fully like what Jaimie or Tywin would use, still decorated since he is an heir. He would probably not lead from the front even if he has been an adventurer. I might see him make for himself a personal shield distinct from the standard Lannister Lion once he develops more has a young man : likely a Lion holding a scalpel and a hammer in its paws. Something for make distance from Tywin once the breaking point arrives between them (i could also see him order something for Asha, idk what). Jason would also likely have some sort of bags/baggage split between himself, his horse, his servants and tent for keep useful tools, maps and other objects related to architecture on hand.
Returning to armor in the now.
I am actually not sure the westerosi Latterborns are going heavy armor in Valyria. They might actually go with something that doesn't heat up too fast in terms of armor, and ain't too heavy in case they have to load up on loot and walk a lot.
>just wear a brigandine everywhere normally
I would feel that kind of thing is more a reaction for being stalked by assassins, like "every shadow is a dagger kind of deal". I wouldn't do it even if brigandines are cool, not being able to wear clothing freely is just a loss in my book. Valyria idk... armor can help but with the enemies here.... might not be a guaranteed protection. Like if they get in melee or even at range, some of the enemies can probably kill most humans just fine armor or not. There might be some smaller sized enemies where armor might offer some kind of protection but i don't think we should stay and fight them too long, for see if an armor holds up their strikes. We preferably should fight at range first if needed. And still wear armor of course.
>But what about weapons?
Well, likely sword and shield seems what we have with us as Jason standard. He isn't martial inclined so he would have knowledge of other weapons but no mastery or great experience with them, so i bet he would stick to the basics. Use whats safe.
Still, Lord Harmen did gift us a set of Dornish throwing spears. Which we can definetly use here in Valyria, since its not a complex ranged weapon to use.
>>6397810
>All the fancy noble people would turn up their noses at spears though
Too bad for them. Our pointy sticks will help us right here. Hopefully.
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>>6397834
>They might actually go with something that doesn't heat up too fast in terms of armor
Surprisingly, that's bronze or copper. Despite being incredibly conductive, it is reluctant to dump that heat into the person wearing it. Naturally this doesn't apply here where the sitting heat is probably closer to 100 degrees F so the air can't circulate heat properly away. But in other places, even hot ones of around 90 degrees it still works to keep you cooler than expected. As long as the air isn't hotter than your body. Even in direct sunlight which adds heat it keeps up better than one might think. Still slam you with fatigue over time like any other armor though. It's pretty heavy.
>I would feel that kind of thing is more a reaction for being stalked by assassins, like "every shadow is a dagger kind of deal"
To be fair, we are kinda there already. Since the danger level of these islands is basically "adrenaline city 24/7" and "always activated, ready to fight". Cortisol levels at maximum kek
>Our pointy sticks will help us right here.
All the best monster slaying weapons are just big pointy sticks. Scorpion bolts. Ballista bolts. Spears. Javelins. Arrows and quarrels. Lawn darts. No finer a tool in more savage a land than a long pointy object.
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>>6397793
Lannister fullplate on land and whatever Asha insists won't result in drowning for maritime, while still being protected. Being heir he probably isn't even used to 'plainclothes' until recently during his studies and travels.
Jason is smaller than Jaime. It is pretty boy vs handsome hunk. He won't be using any of the heavier or larger weapons. Probably stick with lighter blades and polearms to make up for that reach. I would suggest spears and archery myself with maybe a saber or dirk given how daggers/short blades are also a specialty of Asha. Basically spear at reach and stabby stabby up close. Otherwise, bow if we can keep our distance to use the power of math and geometry.
Otherwise knight standard of sword and board given Jaime's influence.
>>6397794
Equally mediocre in all things except for a single talent. Apparently Jason can do math and geometry to the extent that hints that he might have some leverage into archery based on how he caught Dara. Similar to how his construction talent was later proven to be disturbingly effective towards siegeworks and defense as well.
>>6397797
Honestly, Asha would probably be more pissed off and frustrated that she hadn't thought of it first.
>>6397800
Jason is a true contrarian with his subverted expectations and standards with his very confusing image. With a reputation that he doesn't give a flying fuck about. If Tywin hadn't screwed over his plans people would have taken him more seriously as a builder and reformer. Now he gets to be the Mad Lion instead.
Lol, don't go telling people about Asha's whip collection...or all her knives with their recreational bedroom uses. She has a vicious, sadistic streak enough as is.
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>>6397845
>Being heir he probably isn't even used to 'plainclothes' until recently during his studies and travels.
Well, plainclothes for a rich kid. I expect that means things like embroidered doublets and richly dyed suede pants.
>Jason is smaller than Jaime. It is pretty boy vs handsome hunk
Jaime is surprisingly jacked. He comes off as a dexfag just cause he's so good at fighting but he's got them biceps, too. Not as strong as the strongest of course, but he's a large man in the prime of his life on a good diet with a ton of physical activity and exercise.
Sabers are cool. Very utilitarian. Come in foot and cavalry versions.
>rumors spread that asha has whips and chains in her bedroom
>rumors spread that jason actually does have a bit of dornish in him and tywin was cucked
I wonder how many people would end up "dying in the sleep, peacefully, with twenty-eight stab wounds" after disrespecting Joanna indirectly like that. I'm wagering at LEAST 130.
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>>6394908
The Latter-born Company
a bit of commerce, a bit of mercenary work raiding ports, a bit of privateering, some logistics (moving other people's precious cargo around)
erstwhile reavers will take to it like krakens to water
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Okay so I've been playing some ck3 got right?. Big thing I've been thinking about is why didn't the ironborn just raid the essosi. Like I've been raiding over there right? And year by year I've been making reach amounts of money. Like you have to understand that essosi mil tech is like 99% mercs. So they can really fight off raiders. They're also supper rich so they're basically rich and defenseless against fast raids atleast they're basically perfect raid targets
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>>6397960
Cause of distance and effort. The iron born I imagine don’t raid Essos because the Westerlands, north, and reach are closer and have plentiful food and treasure.
If they were unified maybe they might hit the three sisters, but random captain with one ship? Fuck that effort, hit the Westerlands. Maybe head north and grab a she bear for a salt wife for the reputation.
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>>6398086
I think it would be cool seeing Jason with a rapier and a misericorde as an offhand, I would imagine it would be possible for him to learn to double wield or, as he's not that much of a fighter, at least having something for close and personal approach is wise
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>>6397960
It depends on the time period.
Pre Targs Ironborn mostly raided Westeros due to proximity. After the Targs took over and unified Westeros into an Empire raiding Westeros became a huge problem that regularly got their shit kicked in. ESPECIALLY if you were big and important.
If you were a small fry, obviously you could still get away with it but if you were a bigger fish you were forced to reave in Essos unless you wanted dragons breathing fire down on top of you.
Thus there is a LOT of reavers in Essos. Especially among the corsairs and pirates. A lot of whom aren't a bunch of random nobodies because a nobody can still operate in Westeros. A bigger reaver simply cannot do that. You're too well-known until the Ironborn get uppity and get their shit wrecked by Westeros again whenever they try to reave in mass in Westeros again.
So big boy reavers take long trips to reave in Essos and fully load themselves up on thralls, salt wives, and loot before returning. There are no big Ironborn raids in Westeros unless the Ironborn are revolting(again). That is why in the books/lore, the big Ironborn characters and their fleets are simply....gone for such long periods of time. They are off reaving in Essos because doing that shit in Westeros will get their shit slapped again. Of course this was very different Pre Targ invasion they didn't have to venture so far and its why the Traditionalist Ironborn bitch/moan about it so much.
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Imagine if Jason goes through all this effort to make sure his kids can marry who they want... only for them to be power hungry schemers exactly like Tywin would have raised them.
>>6397960
Some of that was mentioned in this earlier post >>6392507
If a canal was built, then the distance from Pyke to Braavos would be shorter than the distance to Oldtown. Handled correctly, it could earn massive favor from the Ironborn, Riverlands, North, AND the Reach since the Iron Islands would be able to raid Essos instead Westeros. The Ironborn would get to keep their "old ways" without making enemies of their neighbors.
The bigger concern is whether it would obliterate all diplomacy between Essos and Westeros. Maybe if the Ironborn pretend to be anonymous pirates instead of affiliated with the Iron Throne?
>>6397797
Big shield + war-pick sounds like the most appropriate for Jason since both thematically match his love for building.
The shield relating to defense, and the pick relating to digging/construction.
>>6397523
>Doran Martell POV
If it's not too much trouble QM, could I ask about what Jamie and Cersei's reaction to Jason + Tyrion's departure was? Not a full on post like Tywin's, but just like a sentence or two of description?
I'm curious if Jamie was proud/impressed by Jason's bravery, or if he was horrified/heartbroken that his younger brother was heading off to his doom.
In Cersei's case, I wonder if she's happy that we're gone because she hates us, or if she's thinking more long term like Tywin and is annoyed because Jason's death would jeopardize House Lannister.
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>>6398120
Cersei is not too big on thinking forward. As soon as she heard of our trip, she must've drunk like Robert and partied like the summer islanders, feeling safe that the potential Valanqars that would kill her in the future are all dead and that prophecy is false.
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>>6398120
Reavers are/were never affiliated with the Iron Throne. Except for the very rare occasions when the Master of Ships was an Ironborn and even then it was rare. They are treated as pirates/bandits even in Westeros when caught reaving. Essos is stuffed full of cutthroat mercs, slavers, pirates, and corsairs anyhow. Reavers are just treated as another pirate/slaver there. Keep in mind slavery is the norm in Essos and the exception in Westeros. That actually works to Ironborn advantage in their dealings in Essos.
Cersei hates the younger twins due to the prophecy and killing her mother. Jaime gets along better with his younger brothers especially since this time around he never betrayed Tyrion via Tysha. With them being 'dead' that would put him in even hotter water because he also never wanted to be heir(see self confessed musclehead) and he likes his little brothers.
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>>6398414
https://youtu.be/URXpWRPLLwQ
He also posits that Lann the Clever might have Empire of the Dawn origins, due to the legend of Lann coming from the east and Dany seeing the past rulers of the Empire where some of them has golden hair and green eyes just like the Lannisters. In that dream, she sees the past gemstone emperors as having hair of silver, hair of gold and hair of platinum white. The eyes of the emperors is described as opal, amethyst, tourmaline and jade.
On another note, Targaryens also can sometimes have golden hair, like Elaena Targaryen.
It is interesting that the Lannister's hair is never descibed as blonde, but always golden by GRR Martin.
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>>6398419
I got to watch the two videos and they're really interesting!
Now I'm a little curious of what happened with the Casterly Rock Weirdtree. Was the place collapsed? is there some really overcomplicated way to get in that Jason won't find anytime soon? (if not never, unless he hear the rumors or something)
Also on another unrelated note, I'm the anon who has been talking about watching the show. I already watched all of Season 6, and I'm really collecting my courage to start season 7 tonight and get my face smeared with shit. An alternative was to just act like as if the whole season 7 was a strong schizo episode and it never existed.
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>>6398419
That guy's obsession with the Undersea-men is also commendable. I haven't checked out his "Everything is Squishers" theory videos yet but I'll get around to what he thinks of them eventually kek
>>6398636
I think part of it is that he is a really practiced speaker which makes him very compelling even without decent evidence. But he also is very good at tying in the little details that show up for like, one line but logically could be extrapolated from. As well as a staggering depth of knowledge of other things which he can pull seemingly out of thin air and tie in reasonably.
>>6398650
The final season is just a season of "huh?" so enjoy the very tiny last shreds of coherency til you get there. Godspeed you crazy diamond.
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“Must you mock me brother?” Doran Martell said, a slight smile on his lips as he sat on his raised terrace above one of the many open pools crafted by his ancestor for his Targaryen wife. The smell of citrus was in the air, the distant hum of the wasps that his servants were trying to find the nest of, and the cry of laughter of the children below.
Oberyn Martell, currently sitting next to his brother in his own wheel chair, chuckled at his brother’s question “I would never mock you brother, my leg is injured and I thought to follow your example.” He said, pushing his wheel chair so that it balanced on the wheels, showing his athleticism and balance. “These devices are quite fun in the right hands.”
Both brothers watched the children below play, some passing a ball, some playing the shoulder riding game, and others basking in the sun. There were seeds of alliances, rivalries, and love being planted here, amongst the nobleborn and natural born children of Dorne. Doran heard them play, heard them laugh, and closed his eyes as he searched for two peels of laughter that the gardens never got to hear. The possible friendships that could have formed, the arguments that’ll never be made, the holes in his family that matched the ones in his soul.
The laughter helped, the peace helped, helped the pain in his body and his heart. But nothing could put out that burning coal of hate that kept him up at night, the one ignited when he and his brother lost their sister. “So he saved you after making your ship crash?”
“No,” Oberyn said, peeling a blood orange after he had settled his chair. “He saved the captain of a Dornish ship that flew the flag of Sunspear. It just so happened to be me, much to his surprise. Though that in itself I found rather interesting, as it was clear his Lady wife and the Hound had wanted to leave me and my crew to our fates. Sarella told me he had pushed for honor, and had cursed Tywin to all 7 hells.” Oberyn said, nodding when his brother looked at him to confirm “Sarella heard it all, the boy called his father’s actions sins, something he had to fix. He ran not to protect himself, so he said, but to protect his family and uphold his promise to the Imp.”
Doran took this in, leaning back in his chair as he pondered the information “And do you believe this?”
“Sarella is young, but her judgement of character is finely tuned. And he treated me with respect…Heh, he even offered me Bread and Salt after he ate it from Lord Uller.” Oberyn said, laughing at the chuckle of disbelief from his brother.
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>>6398675
“What an odd gesture…but a noble one if the intent was true.” Doran said, pondering the hidden intent or meanings.
“I believe that Lion lacks any deeper meaning brother. His guile is nonexistent and his machinations are as intricate as the blocks he likes to play with.” Oberyn said, placing a small block he had stolen from Jason. “I still have many of his blocks for a model he was creating of Hellgate Hall, yet he did not suspect anything and simply made more. He ate any food offered to him, and enjoyed our Dornish dishes while his companions ate only to be polite. He treated guest right as unbreaking and sacrosanct, not out of belief in the gods but because he could not fathom the benefit of breaking it. His lady wife suspected my every move, yet Jason simply enjoyed his time at Hellgate hall, for the food and because of how it is constructed. It was bafflingly charming, and hilarious when he tried the Wild Fired Chicken.” He said, nodding at his brothers stare.
“Even I do not care for the spice of that dish,” Doran said, imagining the burn of the chicken soaked in a broth of Dragon peppers, mustard seed, and a dash of venom from the snakes near brightspear. It was a delicacy that never agreed with Doran’s stomach. It had been Ellia’s favorite, the thought sobering the Prince of Sunspear. “So it is the Toothless Lion come again, Tywin’s bane born a new to curse him in his old age?”
Oberyn was silent for a time at that, contemplating his answer. Doran let the silence stretch as long as it needed, Knowing his brother never did anything without thought, the fact he was still thinking was an oddity. Oberyn eventually shook his head, letting out an uncertain sigh “I do not think so. While yea, the Builder is quick to laugh, humble to the point of disparaging himself, and shows none of the old Lion’s ruthlessness and cunning…however, there is something in him the Laughing Lion did not possess. It’s something I feel lies at the heart of the Old Lion, something that Should you only focus on his smiles and untalented nature would be easily missed.” Oberyn said, still contemplating his words as he spoke. His brother waited, patient as any proper prince should be. “He has the Old Lions pride, his will. Had the laughing Lion been a proper lord, perhaps Tywin would have been more alike to Jason, though more intelligent hands down. Had Tywin been like his father, perhaps Jason would have risen like the Old Lion. It is hard to say for certain, but should a time come where his mettle is tested, I would not be surprised if it stood firm like the walls he loves to build.”
“Is he a threat?”
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>>6398676
“If he survives the doom, I cannot honestly say. As it stands, the laws and expectations of the realm make him think that our actions are limited. He is fiercely loyal to his friends and his brother, and I assume his siblings or at least his elder brother. I did not have much time to truly get his measure, but he chose to attend to his friend the Hightower boy rather than take up the chance at facing me, instead sending his lady wife. From what Sarella told me, Jason spent the night supporting his friend not with plans or plots or anything, but by paying the bill for wine and song to heal his heart.” Oberyn smiled, wondering how his daughter was doing in her courting of the Knight of Hightower. “Should he return, he will in all likelihood keep building in the Westerlands. If his wife can act on her claim to the Reaver’s throne, then that will grant the Lions a presence at sea that could threaten all other of Westeros’ fleets. But will he be able to command his bannermen like his father? I don’t know. Will he be able to coordinate his armies and fleets like the generals and admirals he would have to face? Certainly not I’d say. And I have no doubt that while he is no weakling, he would fall against any man with practice and talent for the blade. In short,” he shrugged and went back to balancing on his wheels “It’s too early to tell. And besides, he may simply die in the doom and leave the old Lion without a Heir and destabilize his plans. So currently, nothing to worry about.”
Doran Martell considered his brother's words, chewing on them as he shared the peace of the Water gardens with him. He would not move, at least not in a way many could see. He would wait, the mysterious piece of the fourth Lion, a possible path to greater plays as he waited for that beggar Prince to amount to something.
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Asha held your hair back, her own hand shaking as she closed her eyes to the world with you vomiting next to her. You gagged and coughed, shaking after the evacuation of your gut had forcefully occurred once you had found cover. Humfrey stood in the center of the room, holding the Tear Stone Hammer meant for the king, something you allowed him to do so that at least someone would have a weapon close to magic in these lands. Dara and the remaining of his followers stood together, offering a song for their fallen brother in arms.
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>>6398678
Your mind slipped back to what had happened, you had climbed up from the beach and were making your way up the road, searching for the signs of a secluded building or the manse of a dragon lord, having determined that they would possess the kind of treasure, magic, and evidence of your ancestor. They would serve well as a first step on this expedition, that had been what you had said. You all had been careful, and the horrors of the approach had been left behind, replaced with a sense of adventure, the deathly silence of the plain, and your careful steps about cutting yourselves on the dragon glass spread around.
Then the winds picked up, a sea breeze mixed with the hostile weather of the Doom causing winds that would have already been strong to move with what could have only been killing intent. What had warned you were the flashes and shimmers of light, then the sparks as chunks of dragon glass struck rocks and each other as they were carried by a wall of wind.
You, who had chosen a shield and donned your simple plate armor, bodily shoved Asha to a nearby rock and covered her in a crevice while holding your shield up, a scream for everyone to take cover sending every scrambling.
Most managed to move fast enough, one Summer island prince did not.
First to go was his mask and his leather and padded armors, ripped apart like bedding. Then, with you unable to look away from shock and horror, went his flesh as the men fell to the ground. The dragon glass shard were like a hail of swords, flensing knives that took a tribute of flesh and blood. Flesh, tendons, muscle, organs, and even his bones were not safe. You had never seen a man die before that moment, and your first experience was to be shown that a man is nothing more than layers of flesh and meat.
By the end of the howling wind, what was left was the partially cleaned skeleton of the prince, chunks of his skeleton stolen by the wind and dragonglass carried along, part of his face locked in horror as his remains bled into the ashy soil.
Uncle Gerion had seen shelter and pushed the group to move towards it, what had been assumed to be a shack, but once you had grown closer and found the ground slopping down, you found an entire manse partially buried in ash and dirt, its roof decorated with scratched stone and dragon glass shards embedded into it.
Now you all stood within the Manse, the place where a wood door once stood now an open hole that blocked nothing. The inside of the building showed its former opulence even after centuries and the doom. The walls were striped of all colors, but the shapes of reliefs depicting the family history of the house could be felt and seen if one looked closely enough. The floors, the parts not buried beneath ash, sand, or rubble were a collection of white and black stone polished until they felt like ice, flecks of gold decorating the black and flecks of amethyst decorating the white so that with the right light the floor shimmered.
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Spitting out the last of the bile, you looked to your Uncle who was maintaining his composure, but you could tell that he had seen exactly what you had. No words could be said, save for the silent agreement to honor the fallen comrade and Latterborn brother.
You looked to Asha, who you knew had seen men die before, so was more prepared for it than you had, even if the method had caught her. You met her eyes, then said “Thank you,” to her, referring to her holding your hair to keep it from getting filthy.
Asha nodded, steadying herself as she stood ready to continue “Thank you,” Asha happy to have been protected from facing a similar end.
You moved through the manse, finding that time and the destruction had reduced everything that one could consider valuable to dust. Silks had burned or been torn by open air, tapestries the same. Art in both framed and upon the walls had been scoured, with the reliefs mostly eroded until they were illegible. Statues and busts depicting Dragonlords and their family were smashed until you had no hope to ever reconstruct them.
You eventually, after traveling the halls and looking into the rooms and finding nothing, wandering into a large room with a domed ceiling that had a single opening at its top. There, you found something different. Around a central fire pitt, you saw multiple humanoid shapes, statues made of ash and porous stone seemingly that were in various states of distress, pain, or terror. They held their heads, hid behind their arms, or curled into themselves. There were twenty of them, men and women, with a handful of children. One female form held to lumps that had perhaps been to swaddled children, while a largely built male tried to shield two smaller teens.
You had found the dragonlords in their final moments, Humfrey whispering out a curse before stepping forward and offering a prayer to the family, Dara’s followers doing the same while Gerion, Asha, and Dara began to move around the room. You however went to the central pit, where a man and two women stood in a circle around it. Their arms were outstretched, and their faces pointed to the skylight above, though the hands of all of them were broken and gone. You raised your brow at this, then turned your gaze to the pitt and crouched down. Moving the ash, you found black bones, none human, along with shards of vibrant shells. Three infant dragons, and their eggs, were mixed with the bones of what you assumed to be infant, newborn children of the dragonlords.
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>>6398681
The dragon hatchlings were curved around the infant skeletons, as if trying to protect them from the fires and burning ash. You had no idea on the ancient ways of Old Valyria's magic, but this was clearly a firepit, and you questioned the relation of Dragon eggs, Infant Valyrians, and fire. While searching the ash, you found a dagger and nearly cut your hand on it, its blade untarnished and gleaming as the smokey swirled of Valyrian steel shined to you. Etched into the blade were depictions of dragons breathing fire upon a river, and the handle was made of polished dragon bone given texture via very smooth High Valyrian writings. Pulling out your note book, you cross referenced the words and eventually determined that they were the names of members of a single family sharing the name of Maznareon.
You pocketed the dagger, looking to the others and meeting their gaze as you all acknowledged the first treasure of the expedition.
Your search continued from there, and small trinkets were found. Jewelry made of fine gold, Dragon bone, and polished stones were found in the master bedroom. A metal trunk, sealed to the world, was opened to reveal a dress of silk finer than anything you had ever seen. You found a skull, warped to be elongated in the back of the skull and possessing only sharp teeth that were not sharpened but natural that had been covered in silver with High Valyrian etched into it.
Two treasures however stood above all else, even if the others would catch a fair price upon a return to civilization. First was the discovery of a heavy set of Valyrian steel doors, in a lower floor built beneath the ground level. It stood unbroken and unmarred by history, with what appeared to be a lock that required one to place their hand upon a smooth mold of a man’s hand.
Written around the lock were the worlds “Salt, Sulfur, and Skulls” as well as the house name again, Maxnareon. This was the Manse’s treasure vault, where the family kept their greater treasures and thus it had been constructed by black dragon stone, it and the Valyrian steel door showing the value the Dragonlords placed in their treasure.
The second first however, were the collection of ancient armors and picked clean skeletons. Tatters of crimson, faded red leather, and rusted steel armor decorated with gold. Lannister men, warriors and personal guards of your house. You surged forward and immediately began to search, and found that these men had set up a camp at this door. Broken tools, picks and hammers in their collection. One man had broken fingers and hands, wrapped in tattered bandages. In their possession, you found multiple empty bags that appeared to have been looted, with a single bag still holding their treasures.
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>>6398682
A Valyrian Steel tower shield, a hulking thing that was unnaturally light that if held right could cover a man’s body. One its front was what you had to assume was the symbol of House Maznareon, a human skull with two dragons circling it, though you had no idea the colors. Next was spear whose head seemed as if a sword had been chosen over a spear head, the entire thing made of Valyrian steel and seemed built but cut and stab in equal measure. Next were a collection of coins and plates and dishes made of precious metals, all decorated works of art.
Finally, you found a journal, wrapped in leather and placed in a bag near one of the Lannister men. Many of the pages were worn or missing, but you were able to find some entries pertaining to the expedition.
“Day 3 in these cursed lands, and I have gone from the youngest son of five to the heir to my father’s meagre lands. My Lord Tommen, his majesty and King of the rock, tries to buoy my spirits but I do not expect to see my lands. After those cursed wyrms sank three of the Golden Fleets ships, and then another was taken as acids ate through its hull, we only had 2 thirds of the ship we came with. I almost thanked the seven when we came to shore, but the cursed Dragonglass beach and winds took my eldest brother and the eldest after him.
His Majesty King Tommen led us to a manse, and here we found treasures that seemed to make the whole thing worth the effort. Jewels, treasures, and a host of weapons that were added to the war chest or chosen by the officers. My two older siblings, the ones who remained, were able to pick a shield and spear, while I was allowed to fill a bag with treasures. We joked that I would get to choose a weapon from the next fine.
I buried them today, dying from their wounds suffered from some kind of creature, a twisted beast of scales on four legs that reminded me of a dog, though it was bloated and hacking up more of those damn wyrms. We decided it was better to kill my brothers instead of letting them suffer as the worms dug into their bodies.
I miss Rosanne, I miss the smell of flowers. Should I make it back, I will do as she wished. Sell My father’s lands, take the money and follow her to Old town, become a wealthy knight under the employ of her cousins within House Gardner.”
You skipped ahead to the final entry you could read, the last page burnt.
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>>6398684
“Day 7, and his majesty has determined that he shall take the majority of his men and continue on, leaving me in charge of this outpost. He seeks greater treasures that are easier to grab, with hopes to find a means of opening the Mazanareon vault. I am to stay here and keep breaking through as well as maintain this outpost so we may have a foot hold to the rest of the Island.
King Tommen would proceed to the capital of the Freehold, Valyria herself while his trusted brother led a force to Aquos Dhaen, to delve into the city’s heart and loot it. My king told me he trusts me to bring honor to my house, and promises that my bravery and loss will be rewarded once we return to the Westerlands.”
“Day 9, we are lost. Our food is tainted by ash and dragonglass. We did not properly cover it, and already I feel the shards cutting my open as blood falls from my mouth and nose. Jacob is worse off, his coughs are growing worse and I do not think he will survive the night.
Though, none of us will make it to sundown. We are not alone. Shapes in the dark came, men and women and children, glowing red eyes and leaking the fire wyrms from their bodies. They charged our position, coming from the city. They threw themselves on our blades, literally. They fought not seeking to kill us, but to seemingly die on our blades. When they would overwhelm a man, they would take his weapons and kill themselves. The blades burned and heated on their blood until they melted, then they would tear at the man, seeking to use his armor to bluegeon themselves, and eventually his bones to carve themselves open and unleash the wyrms within their body and fall over, any man unfortunate to fall dying by fire and their feral claws.
We killed them all before the sun rose, but their bodies disappeared. I don't know what attacked us, only that the ash is closing in on us. I know they’re out there, I know they’re waiting for us to lower our guard or perhaps try to run. I won’t give them the satisfaction.
I apologize to Rosanne, but I will not die that way. I will not die to this land's predations while my comrades bleed from the air. I pray my king finds his treasures, and I pray it was worth this hell. I choose the coward's way out, as to die bravely means pain I am unwilling to face. I will ensure Oscar, Jacob, and Oris go before I do, it's the least I can do for them. I will follow them, only once my men are safe from this hell.”
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>>6398686
You placed the book aside, looking at the three Lannister men, you determined that one of the men had decided to make his escape, perhaps taking much of the treasure with him. How far he got, if he even managed to survive, was beyond your skill to tell.
Now though, you had a vault before you, and information.
>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
>Attempt to get Humfrey and Dara’s help to force the door open
>Have Humfrey take the tear stone hammer to the floor above the vault and try to break in that way
>Leave the vault and make way towards the city of Aquos Dhaen, to where more Lannister men went.
>Head back to the ships and follow Tommen Lannister’s trail to the capital of Old Valyria
>Other?
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>>6398688
>>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
Then, of course, check the boat. If it's still good for another week or so, then we go into the heart of darkness. If not? Fuck it, let's leave.
I imagine "Holy shit, it isn't that bad, let's lock in and DO THIS boys!" has done in more Valyrian Adventurers than anything else (that didn't result in an instant kill like the oceanic wyrms or the storm).
We're taking that shield for ourselves, by the way. It calls to me.
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>>6398688
>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
A pity we can't take the vault doors, that's A LOT of valyrian steel right there. At least we've already found some loot and clues to the location of Brightroar.
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>>6398697
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>We're taking that shield for ourselves, by the way. It calls to me.
I thought of giving it to Humfrey desu, it just seems appropiate for him
btw, I really hope we don't have to deal with those Wyrm Leech Zombies, that will be a nightmare to deal with
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>>6398688
>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
HYPE!!!
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>We're taking that shield for ourselves
Shield is baller but I gotta say, I am leaning more towards that spear... Could take us from middling to competitive in a fight.
I think Gerion should take the shield, and maybe if we survive we can talk to him about turning half of it into a sword for him, and the rest into an ace for Asha? In the meantime it'll protect the old man from the wyrms and other things besides.
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>>6398724
>I am leaning more towards that spear
From the description I imagined it like a Kwan Dao, which would be very cool to learn, the thing is that I doubt any Westerosi knight knows how to properly use it and we'll end up learning a improper way to use it.
But now that I REALLY think about it, I guess there's the Halberd who's something that could be similar to out weapon. We wouldn't have the full pieces of the puzzles but we would try to smash them together instead of putting them where they should. Or the alternative is paying some foreign fighter who can show us how to use it, maybe we can pick up someone from Dorne on our way back.
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>>6398734
Could get Dara to teach us since he's a spear guy? Sandoq fights with something like it too, not that we know about him IC, but we'll likely meet if we end up having a favorable relation with Doran - which seems to be on the table. But, yeah, always the ability to hire a foreign tutor or weirdo capable of developing a fighting style for us, even? Aikido was invented in, like, the 50's I think, IRL.
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>>6398734
The spear sounds like a swordstaff. Literally just a blade and crossguard on a pole instead of a normal spearhead.
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>>6398743
True, Dara could be our teacher, but we still need to get to the end of the expedition and see if he grew fond of Jason to accept going to Westeros. He might see some disgusting horrors that will make him abandon his life as a warrior and turn into a priest lmao
>>6398747
Well fuck me, first time in my life I see something like that.
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>>6398688
>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
>Leave the vault and make way towards the city of Aquos Dhaen, to where more Lannister men went.
Razor winds is gonna drastically reduce how far we can go. That shit is gonna flay anyone alive who isn't wearing enough armour or isn't in cover. We got only two people with the kinda armour that can survive that. Also I don't think we are gonna get the Lannister sword this trip. Especially if fucking King Tommen made it to the capital. That place has to be a deathtrap from hell itself.
I have noticed the forewarnings about the population centers. Glad as fuck we didn't charge straight into the cities. Especially with the worm colonies on the ships and apparently those infectous zombie things that can melt through weapons and armour. God we should have brought more archers...and heavier armour. Definitely this isn't gonna be a single trip kinda deal to get that stupid sword back.
Also that tower shield calls to me. It's something that is light enough we can actually use.
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>>6398688
>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
Alright, the creatures did not attack the manse until they were already entrenched, and that "losing a ship to acid" is certainly concerning.
The way I see it is, we need to return back to Volantis after the Vault. Our protection against the acid is already eroding, and we cannot afford to lose any of our ships.
We have the heading of Tommen, good loot from the manse as well. Lets return and come back more prepared. A good expedition doesn't get overconfident and I don't want to take chances when we have the chance to achieve all the objectives of this trip eventually.
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>>6398679
>By the end of the howling wind, what was left was the partially cleaned skeleton of the prince, chunks of his skeleton stolen by the wind and dragonglass carried along, part of his face locked in horror as his remains bled into the ashy soil.
Jesus Christ. Fucking flensed by the wind. New rule, everyone buddies up with someone with a shield. Or at least some thick armor. Something to hide behind with them. I can only imagine one way this place could get any worse.
>>6398686
Okay that is pretty fucking close to the way I figured this could get worse lmao shit.
>>6398688
>>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
Hey fuck it, nothing ventured nothing gained right? Just hope there's nothing locked IN there.
>>6398721
Assuming the doors are about eight feet tall, three feet wide and 4 inches thick, that would make a real steel door weigh about 4,000 pounds. If Valyrian steel is lighter by a quarter it would weigh just under 3,000 pounds, and if it were half the weight it would be 1,645. Then multiply that by two for the two doors. A ship could actually easily carry that. I don't think these doors would be exceptionally thick despite being vault doors because four inches of steel is already REALLY thick, you'd need a siege ram to actually punch through that if all the braces and mechanisms in it were steel as well. And considering it's Valyrian steel, may as well be unbreakable to anything but magic. So it doesn't have to be a foot thick or anything wild like that. Though we won't know the actual thickness of the door unless we can open it and view the cross section. Still, actually getting it free from the wall might be genuinely impossible for us, so I wouldn't worry about the weight kek.
https://www.inchcalculator.com/metal-weight-calculator/
>>6398734
It sounds quite like a sword-lance. Or just a typical long-bladed spear. Which is more typically to east asian culture, yeah. Or a glaive. But you'd basically use it like a staff that happens to be sharp on one side. Which most vagabonds probably know how to swing a staff or walking stick, properly. Not 1 - 1 style wise for how you'd use such a weapon, different balance and all, but it's close. Easy enough to figure out. But yeah, not at all common in Westerosi tradition. Over in Yi Ti maybe.
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>>6398724
>reforging the shield
For shame, anon, there's a family crest on there. Don't do them dirty like that. However, fully melting it down could probably get three or four swords of various size out of it. So taking off bits of it to make a smaller shield and an accompanying weapon is a plan. Even if I would be keen to keep it intact.
>>6398762
>apparently those infectous zombie things that can melt through weapons and armour
Dude I was worried there would be cursed fire wights that just ran around catching shit on fire by virtue of existing and emitting tons of heat. Fucking living worm dispensers was not on my list of FUCK THAT coming here. I would hope they'd all be dead dead and not moving. Or existing. They go straight into my DOUBLE FUCK THAT list.
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>>6398783
Yeah no kidding. It's like walking through a fiberglass factory with no mask on but a thousand times worse. Brutal as shit. Thank goodness we put on masks and silks over our mouths. They'll get torn up a bit but they'll keep our lungs and throat intact at least.
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>>6398777
Yea, that guy bit the dust in one of the worst methods possible.
Gory gory what a helluva way to die!
If we could get a door off its hinges we'd be rich as hell. Our cog is built for trade so carrying cargo like that shouldn't be impossible, only problem is we'd have to carry the door from the manse to the boat which isn't a guaranteed success.
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>>6398788
What's funny is with the door we probably couldn't melt it down because there wouldn't be a forge big enough in Westeros or Essos with a forgemaster that could reforge Valyrian steel that works there. And trying to use it as a door would make it only as strong as whatever we mount it to and lock it with. But if we COULD break it down, House Lannister would go from the richest house in Westeros to probably the richest family in the entire world. In terms of assets, at least.
There are actually a lot of logistical concerns with it. And getting it back to the ships would definitely be the worst part. Then trying to load it onto it without dropping it into the water, since I don't think we have any cranes, nor would we want to spend the next half-a-day building one. Well, for a fucking door's worth of valyrian steel we might. Damn that's a pickle. But I am going to assume we don't have the means to free the door anyway. So I don't get too excited over nothing kek
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>>6398777
>Assuming the doors are about eight feet tall, three feet wide and 4 inches thick
I am gonna assume it is twice that because a dragonlord's vault would have to be able to keep our chimera, small dragons, and wizards. But let's say it is just an eight foot slab and it only ways 1500 lbs... Carrying a half ton, eight foot slab across this terrain without numbers and supplies is simply not possible. You're right though, if we could get the doors off the wall, they wouldn't be able to keep out a dragonlord's rivals. Not that we even need the door... With JUST the spear, shield, and dagger we have more Valyrian kit and material than almost any other house, I bet. It seems like we have a lead on Brightroar too...
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>>6398754
What would Jason name the spear I wonder...
I have no good ideas.
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>>6398791
The thing is, we know how to sail to this part of Valyria now. I figure that if we go back to Volantis for repairs and resupply we could do another trip just for the doors with a crane built on the ship for this exact reason.
I don't think we should be foolish and go deeper right now. Lets do this expedition in several steps to minimise casualties. We already have so much information to make our trip safer.
Plus it would be nice to see Tyrion again
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>>6398782
>For shame, anon, there's a family crest on there.
Hey man, Tywin didn't hesitate to melt down the Stark legacy sword for two new ones, and those guys were still alive! Not saying that was cool, but these Maznareon's ain't gonna miss it.
I am thinking we should give the dagger to Dara. He would be better with the spear than us, but... I want it... And with a bow as his mainstay the shield doesn't make much sense, so he won't want it. I know he came here for adventure mainly but he deserves some swag. I suppose there is also the treasure that's just worth money like the jewelry though, which would also raise his profile.
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>>6398800
The dagger is ours. I am guessing with it being so close to the petrified family, it has magical properties as well.
Jason isn't the martial type, both the shield and spear would be a bit wasted on him. Oberyn seems to have a high view of us tho, something as precious as a Valyrian Steel spear can forge a lasting allience I imagine
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>>6398796
If the doors aren't smooth enough you just need to make a sled for them out of wood or thick carpets. Then you lash a few ropes to it and you could have a half a dozen to a dozen people slide it along the ground. Especially on any dragonstone roads which are pretty smooth, and the obsidian which is REALLY smooth. Moving heavy things is a matter of friction and inertia. And six people could get even something that weighs thousands of pounds to slide on a smooth surface. It would be unbelievably exhausting though. And they'd be vulnerable as shit if we get caught out and they're gassed. Dropping the rope to hide from an obsidian blizzard wouldn't be too bad, but a fucking worm-dog pulling up and sprinting after someone would be a giant issue.
>What would Jason name the spear I wonder...
>"Far-Bite!"
>"You wanted to call it Longclaw, didn't you?"
>"Yeah..."
>>6398798
Part of me is sure if we do tactically retreat, there are going to be many men who decide one trip was enough and won't come back with us. Shit, -I- wouldn't want to make a return trip. It's the wise thing to do, playing this in steps, but it's also not really tenable due to morale. This place is an actual waking nightmare, and it will wear anyone down no matter how fierce their resolve. Unless they are actually literally insane.
>>6398800
>but these Maznareon's ain't gonna miss it.
>"Return the slaaaaaaab, or suffer my curse."
Ey get that fucker off our lawn.
I was thinking we leave the spearswordstick with Sarella, while she guards and maintains the ships. Asha could use the dagger with an axe, or we could give it to Dara, yeah.
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>>6398798
I brought this up a while back, but I think if we sail back to Volantis with just one or two casualties, a bunch of sweet loot, and the crew has SEEN and learned about some of the insanely horrible things on these islands... Almost everyone will refuse to reroll the dice. I wouldn't blame them. In fact, if Jason goes back to Volantis before getting Brightroar, I would vote for him to stay and not make another attempt; it is just too absurd of a gamble, and Tywin WILL be proud with what we already have. He may even eventually send another expedition with the information we have, and forbid us on pain of being waterboarded while Gregor dismembers Asha from EVER sailing in the DIRECTION of Valyria again.
Idunno man, after what happened to that one Summerbro, I cannot possibly rationalize the others agreeing to sail back in after making it out alive and paid. We ought to push straight for Brightroar after we check out what's in the vault, that stuff combined with what we already found ought to be enough to keep us as safe as we could hope for in this land; I think we'll be prepared enough to press it.
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>>6398806
>Smooth
Right, the problem is this is a bunch of volcanic rock, shattered infrastructure, and jagged obsidian. There would be hardly any stretches that would allow us to drag the thing for more than a few dozen yards, I imagine. I just don't think we are set up to try it, and don't want to be greedy anyways.
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>>6398806
The summer islanders are seeking glory, so i don't think they will chicken out especially since Dara sure as hell would not. Gerion wouldn't either, and I don't see Jason as the type of person let him go alone.
And everyone participating has accepted there will be casualties in this trip. Going back and having multiple trips is the logical choice that will minimise casualties.
I believe the treasure from this singular trip compared to the singular loss of life will be enough to convince our crew to go back now more prepared. We shouldn't let ego or the small chance of deserters lead us into deeper waters where escape might not be possible. If we get greedy and lose a ship that will be way worse for morale.
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>>6398811
Oh no trust me I've moved shit just as heavy with people before. I know we could get it back if we had everyone work together. Even over the ash fields and some of the more scuffed parts of the terrain. Humanity has been using sleds and carpets to pull shit over bad terrain for ages. That's how people would carry shit like moose through forests to bring back to villages back in the day and shit, too. Especially since the moment we get to a downward grade we can just shove the whole fucking door down it, since it'll survive just fine even if we chuck it off a cliff. The problem I see is the lack of security in doing it. And the getting onto the rocking ships. We probably have close to thirty people on this expedition, probably closer to fifty, probably left about half at the ships, with 15 (now 14, RIP Prince ) or 25 we could absolutely carry the door unless it weighed more than 6,000 pounds. That's where I would no longer trust being able to do it effectively.
Granted, the door is an example of digging too deep, too greedily IMO. A venture that would inevitably lead to disappointment.
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>>6398813
You gotta ask yourself, if you got back to safety, would you crawl back into hell? I'm a bitch so I know I wouldn't, I'd take my small W and chill with the midget. Knowing eliminates fear of uncertainty, but it cements the fear of the known. I bet even the glory hounds under Dara are squirming at the idea of being the next modern art masterpiece. Let along worm food if Jason told everyone what he read in the journal. So far everyone knows there are worms in the water, not up here. Nor do they know there are freak dogs and psycho carriers up here. Though I assume Jason is wise enough to let people know about that shit. If we see a not-dog, shoot the fucker. It is not friend-shaped.
But perhaps my own cowardice is shining through and painting my perception in piss-yellow light. Maybe these men are made of sterner stuff than I am giving them credit for. Sailing into hell once is already a display of mad courage. But still. There are some roads you only tread once.
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>>6398679
>obsidian storm
shieeeee
>>6398686
the wyrms are everywhere! I wonder if there is something to be done against them
>>6398688
>Other
First of all simply have everyone in the party try the handprint lock. Maybe someone has Valyrian blood in them, and of the right issue. The chance is slim, but the time taken will be short
Second:
>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
Third, arrange for cloth masks and secure food containers
Fourth, is there copper around? We need something against those wyrms.
fifth
>>6398774
back to Volantis it is, for copper sulphate solution, plate armor and other necessities
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>>6398815
We have the Valyrian Steel link for this exact purpose. We didn't cower at the legends of the horrors of Valyria, we sought to understand it and do as much research as possible on it, and then sailed directly to it (partly to learn more).
I personally can be quite cowardly irl, but my curiosity often supersedes it even if it doesn't always end well for me in the end. I %100 would sail back the opportunity is simply too great to give up.
We will probably never come to Valyria again after this expedition is done, but while we are still searching for brightroar we have the chance to learn and find out the secrets of these lands.Dragons will be reborn again. We need to have access to the magic that shapes stone with dragonfire. We could be building shit left and right with those dragons. It is worth it.
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by the way, if we go back to Volantis and parade some of the stuff we got, there will be many willing to throw their lot in with us
they will need to be vetted, of course, but a second expedition will not lack for manpower or talent
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>>6398821
Think Anon, THINK! How will we Hold The Door if we have no DOOR! FUCKING DOOOOOORRRR
lmao
>>6398822
I'm wagering on a full suit of Valyrian plate armor, and dragon eggs. As well as a genealogy book. And a scrolls of only the finest recipe for some sort of epic booze, some dragonwine or some shit. Whatever this house might have been known for. Which we don't know. Except maybe the iconography is a hint.
>>6398824
I mean shit I know exactly what a bear is like in story and idea, doesn't mean I wouldn't shit myself in bear country if I heard one outside of my tent.They say wildfire is a sort of cousin to dragon's fire. Mayhaps we can make shitass knockoff versions of dragonstone and other such wonders if we knew the exact spells used in their making as well. I trust wildfire more than I do dragons. And that's knowing the wildfire has but ONE desire. EXPLODE!
>>6398828
Counterpoint, if we make it known we sailed into Valyria, survived, and are planning on doing it again, there are going to be a thousand pirates in the water for the next couple months just slavering to meet us on our next return trip.
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>>6398828
That is an interesting question. It is unprecedented, no one has ever come back from Valyria before. I doubt Volantians would join us, but their lords will certainly want to sponsor us to bring more stuff from their lost homeland.
>>6398829
Right now, we are in the equivalent of bear country looking for gold with our bear mace running out. The gold makes it worth it and gear makes it safer.
I'd say going back and replenishing our expedition with proper tools just increases our chances, and we should do it.
Pirates will always be an issue, I don't think they can measure up to Dara and Asha anyways
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>>6398829
>DOOOOOORRRR
PULDORRRRRR kek
>if we make it known we sailed into Valyria, survived, and are planning on doing it again, there are going to be a thousand pirates in the water for the next couple months just slavering to meet us on our next return trip
fair point, but I doubt it will be "thousands". every responsible pirate captain will be keeping an eye out for us, but I doubt many will take the gamble on us making it through a second time and just sail up and down the coast looking for us
it's a big place, not like you can blockade a certain bay or anything
plus, if anyone ambushes us near the coast, we can always retreat back into wyrm infested waters where they can't follow and just sail to somewhere else under cover of darkness
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>>6398828
I think that some people may gain confidence in us and try to go for a second run, but I think they'd be motivated by greed more than anything else, and would be impossible to trust. If they don't coordinate with buddies to intercept us on the way back, then others who heard about our success would - we probably shouldn't flex our swag until we get out of Essos.
>>6398832
>their lords will certainly want to sponsor us to bring more stuff from their lost homeland.
Maybe... Though they may just fund their own expeditions, figuring that if we can do it, they can too. Though we still don't know how many more we're going to lose out here.
I also wanna put it out there that narratively I don't find the idea of multiple trips appealing. Having camps while out here, staging from the ships, that's one thing. Sailing all the way out, offloading goods, having whatever interactions we have with the locals to hire on more sailors to replace the dead or those that rightly don't wanna push their luck, THEN going back and starting again... Feels like it'd get repetitive.
I think we should let the QM cook and trust that he isn't gonna punish us for following his plot hooks and pressing our expedition for two-four updates before bailing. We covered a lot of ground just with our first two updates.
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>>6398832
I dunno man, I know how to evade a bear, I don't know how to evade a bear with a backpack full of gold bullion. Different ballpark for me.
And yeah, if it doesn't lead to everyone saying they don't want to do it, it would lead to more positive outcome. But that's the gamble. Either it works or it hard stops.
One must never underestimate raw numbers. Even an ant might bite a man to death given enough fellows.
>>6398833
Well thousands as in the number of men on the ships, not the number of ships. And they won't bear down on us all at once since they won't be an armada but instead a dispersed cloud of independent opportunists. The number out looking is far more than the number we could possibly encounter. Though the Triarchs of Volantis might also play their hand at getting their hands on our treasures. Can't trust those fart huffing bastards.
This is basically the fattest, juiciest target in the past couple centuries in this case. There is no shot a fuckton of ne'erdowells aren't gonna show up.
>>6398836
It does kill the narrative and terror when you start treating it like a business rather than an adventure, doesn't it?
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>>6398836
>I think they'd be motivated by greed more than anything else
you make very good points. fine. we return, we claim to have found nothing of much note, get supplies (NOT forgetting the Bordeaux mix, any vintner should have some or know where to get it) and fuck off
>I also wanna put it out there that narratively I don't find the idea of multiple trips appealing.
it's a nice little story arc, gives us deeper ties to Volantis which will come in handy later, allows the little birds to catch up with us, what's not to like?
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>>6398836
This is Planetos, plot hooks oft lead you things like the red wedding and the riverlands burning. I think it is narratively stronger such strategising is involved, GRR Martin took care to always include Robb planning his battles, and other such "relatively boring" activities. The world that Jason is in is brutal, having tact doesnt make it narratively weaker
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>>6398837
>kill the narrative and terror
it's MUCH harder to go into the dragon's lair, or into battle, or any sort of horrific situation a second time, willingly
many young officers, for example, crave to get involved in frontline combat, because they fancy themselves war appreciators
most regret this immediately and fuck off to staff jobs at the first opportunity
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>>6398842
What we are doing is more akin to the polar expeditions than war. We are truly doing what no man has ever succeeded in, and learning how to deal with the conditions. It is immense bravery, but I would say Jason and everyone else in this journey is genuinely making history and they know this fact as well
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>>6398844
>provided we live through it
Exactly. And if you get back to Volantis with Valyrian jewelry in hand or a Valyrian steel dagger at your waist... Would you rather go down in history like that, or as the guy that turned around, went back in, and
>Got eviscerated by a razor wind
>Got drowned and eaten by a kraken
>Got dismembered and cooked by ash wights
>Got mauled to death by chimera
>Contracted greyscale from a homicidal stone man and wasted away
>Got infested with fire wyrms and cooked from within
>Etc
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>>6398832
There have been survivors from failed expeditions its just that there has never been a SUCCESSFUL expedition to Valyria. That is why info and maps about post Doom Valyria exist at all. Not just a big blank spot on the map marked DOOM! Where Valyria formerly stood(it used to be a peninsula, not shattered islands).
We need to bail soon anyway. We need more/better masks, better containers for supplies, and heavier armour that can survive fucking glass sandstorms for our men. We got at best 2 maybe 3 suits of armour depending on what Gerion is packing that can survive it. We desperately do NOT want to be losing archers given how infectious a lot of the diseases and curses are here. Not to mention whatever condition the ships are in with the whole acid melting through their hulls.
>>6398836
QM confirmed he doesn't mind multiple small trips/expeditions into Valyria just doesn't want it turn into a lengthy story arc.
>>6398833
Reavers will have a nice obligatory chat with Asha upon finding out an Ironborn is involved(which is no secret given Asha's participation and being present during the farewell party). The other pirates will be a problem but keep in mind the curses and plagues of Valyria are known to be contagious. Not to mention expeditions cursed with bad luck and sailors even pirates are an extremely superstitious bunch. Reavers would be obliged to investigate on behalf of their Drowned God upon hearing a Reaver participated because it is THEE ultimate flex among modern Ironborn to sail the Smoking Sea.
Triarchs would be a bigger problem but Tywin is gonna be frothing at the mouth in rage the whole time and everyone is gonna hear about how fucking JELLY Bobby B is at missing out. Gods save you should either of them you about you messing with the expedition if they survived. Targeting the expedition is actively picking a fighting with Westeros itself and the Brother in law of a very bored and desperate King who desperately wants to be doing ANYTHING else but sitting on the throne. Triarchs pulling funny tricks will be having to worry about more than just a diplomatic incident.
As for the pirates? The reavers are gonna be up in arms when they find out a REAVER is a part of the expedition and therefore they can share in the glory! Such glory they haven't had a taste of in centuries. Pirates would have to fear reavers acting up against them. Much less the crazy fucks who will flock to Asha's banner because they wanna join in and wouldn't mind bringing an 'offering' to her as proof of their 'loyalty' by offering the heads of her enemies and some ships with thralls to work them.
Don't underestimate how insanely desperate the Ironborn are for a win or how great a flex sailing the Smoking Sea is to the Ironborn.
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Alright, we found exactly what we needed. Tommen went to the capital of Old Valyria. If we want Brightroar, we sail to the coast of the capital and hope that the expedition died near the water. Going any deeper in is a death sentence.
If we want loot that is a bit easier to grab, then we keep trying for this vault.
We should also leave some journal entry of our own or carve some writing onto the walls. Let anyone who comes afterwards know that we cleaned this place out, let them know where the The Latterborns are headed, and maybe rewrite down everything we can from the fading journal so that it gets preserved for another few centuries.
>>6398688
QM, what time is it when Jason is making this choice?
I do NOT want to be here past sundown.
Also, is it possible for us to try two options at the same time? Jason tries to open the vault door via magic whilst Humfrey attempts to smash through the ceiling?
>>6398715
Guys, this is the vault door to a Dragon Lord's Manse. The area is High in magic. This door is probably enchanted, and whoever breaks it down would get ultra cursed.
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>>6398846
If we go back to Volantis, we will be taking precautions against those hazards and will increase our chances to be unharmed. It is better than having our ship melt in the acid rivers and be stranded on an island with no chance of rescue. It is an investment for the future.
On different note, is there actually grayscale in Valyria? I thought that illness was mostly for the sorrows and the river rhoyne
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>>6398846
I would rather be the unassuming lego-obsessed twink who SOMEHOW has managed to get the Doom on farm status
we know how to deal with the wyrms already, and it seems that the krakens and the ash wights are just aspects of that. Bordeaux mix for the win
greyscale is a risk but protocols against contagion are pretty simple, and there is PLENTY of dragonglass around to try a cure
chimera sounds bad, and I am sure there are other, unknown perils, so I think a methodical approach, building on past success to succeed again is not only wise but also in our very character
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>>6398852
>Alright, we found exactly what we needed. Tommen went to the capital of Old Valyria. If we want Brightroar, we sail to the coast of the capital and hope that the expedition died near the water. Going any deeper in is a death sentence.
yep
>If we want loot that is a bit easier to grab, then we keep trying for this vault.
yep
>>6398850
>We need to bail soon anyway.
yep
therefore, as I said, make a quick attempt at the vault, fuck off to Volantis, return to find the ill-fated expedition and recover the family sworld
insane bragging rights and possible treasure for not a lot of extra risk
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>Head back to the ships and follow Tommen Lannister’s trail to the capital of Old Valyria
Don't get too greedy guys. We here for brightroar and some loot. Nothing more nothing less. Best to just get brightroar and gtfo
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>>6398858QM already told us that Asha and us would make it out alive because it'd be lame to have us die in our youth before the plot really starts to cook. Worst case scenario is we lose everyone with us except Dara, but I think it's likely we only lose one or two of our named companions and most of the Summernpc's, and that a few people take some serious hit, like losing an eye/foot/arm, and maybe that includes one of our named companions, two if things go VERY bad.
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>>6398854
We barely avoided the krakens thanks to Asha's warning and armouring the hulls. The only Krakens we've encountered are babies/juveniles that according to Asha shouldn't be in such deep waters but they are infested and have gone mad. The big krakens apparently are closer to their main nesting grounds but given the expansion of volanic activity we have to be very careful about that.
Ash wights are located in the population centers and apparently can form some kind of symbiotic hive of flesh and fire with worms, plague, blood, and curse magick given what we saw on the ships sailing in. They are also contagious while their attacks and trying to kill them will melt through armour and weapons both. However they can somehow 'detect' outsiders after sundown given how they were lured out of the population centers when it became dark and hunted down the expedition at a distant manse. So SOMHOW they can detect 'prey' in the nightfall and are entirely suicidal in their attacks.
We haven't encountered any trace of greyscale yet.
We have found traces of abominations, chimeras, and some kind of infestation with those 'hives'.
>>6398856
Firewyrms do not swim and stick close to the volcanoes. What those things are closer to the chimeric flesh worms seen on the Targ princess when she caught the blood magick plague from Valyria. So you know something FAR worse than simple firewyrms.
>>6398857
That assumes Tommen didn't get too close to the capital or sunk. If either of those two things is the case, it's a wash to get that stupid sword back. Easier to loot whatever the expedition grabbed and some choice goodies ourself with some digging through the ash for some untouched goodies within intact ruins.
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>>6398684
WAIT A MINUTE
HOLD ON
>a lock that required one to place their hand upon a smooth mold of a man’s hand
>though the hands of all of them were broken and gone. You raised your brow at this
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>Written around the lock were the words “Salt, Sulfur, and Skulls”
>a skull, warped to be elongated in the back of the skull and possessing only sharp teeth that were not sharpened but natural that had been covered in silver with High Valyrian etched into it
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>the symbol of House Maznareon, a human skull with two dragons circling it
Okay, I think I have an idea about what's happened.
Tommen's expedition tried cutting off the hands of the dead dragon lord family to insert into the hand recess of the lock.
Furthermore we have found something that the expedition didn't; the weird skull with the High Valyrian etchings. I think this is important. The family crest is of a human skull with dragons circling it. We also have access to the family skulls as well as some dragon bones + dragon egg shells.
What we are missing is the sulfur and salt part. By salt, maybe they mean sea water? Otherwise Jason will have to rely on salt he brought with.
ALSO
The ghosts are fucking terrifying. But the journal explicitly said that they hunted for Valyrian steel to kill themselves with. Yet the vault doors still stand? I am guessing that there's some enchantment or something on the doors that keep away the ghosts, else they would have already smashed their heads against it. I think if we stay near the door when the ghosts come, maybe it'll keep them at bay?
There is potentially a dangerous idea of trying to use the worms to melt the door, since the journal said that the worms can melt Valyrian steel, but that'd be borderline suicide to try and attempt.
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>>6398870
>krakens
manageable with a bit of care and foresight, just as you say
>Ash wights are located in the population centers
which is why we are NOT going to the capital
>We have found traces of abominations, chimeras, and some kind of infestation with those 'hives'.
Unknown unknowns, Yeah. steer clear of the hives I guess. Chimeras are defo killable
we should also get some bronze arrowheads for our supersonic archer in case we meet some bigger wyrms
>Easier to loot whatever the expedition grabbed and some choice goodies ourself with some digging through the ash for some untouched goodies within intact ruins.
so you're arguing we should grab whatever we can from this place and fuck off for good?
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>>6398873
Interesting catch! Valyrian house's words usually are recipes for magic (such as fire and blood being what is necessary to create dragons). I think that the skull involved in this ritual is that elongated skull, we have salt, and sulphur we can probably get from the volcanic landscape.
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>>6398873
One of the corpses also had broken fingers. Which meant he either put his hand into the crevice and it crushed his hand, or he tried to, maybe, punch a Valyrian steel door. Or he fell on it badly, who knows.
There's something going on with that door. Salt itself is a common preservative so if we do need salt we'll have some. Sulfur is, well, probably fucking everywhere at this point. Grab a handful of the ash from outdoors, probably has some amount of sulfer baked into it. Or maybe it means some kind of gas. Which should be plenty in the air already. I am not a puzzle type of guy kek. I'm dumb as hell.
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>>6398875
I am concerned about the demons still. We haven't found any clues about them but other failed expeditions attest to their existence. Maybe they require areas much higher in magic to sustain them like the Others? So far we have found a few abominations and chimera.
The infestation and those fucking hives do concern me. As well as how the ash wraiths leave after dark and can track down prey from so far away. So even avoiding the cities doesn't mean we are safe from them, should we stay after dark. Firewyrms should be avoidable so long as we stay away from the highly volcanic areas. They are a manageable risk, similar to kraken.
I would prefer high value low risk. Which means looting other expeditions of their shit and digging out intact ruins from the ash that were neatly preserved. I would rather not find out what the demons are like here or find out what kind of nightmarish infestation and hives formed in places like the cities or gods forbid the slave pits. I dread to find out what exists in high magic zones.
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>>6398873
>But the journal explicitly said that they hunted for Valyrian steel to kill themselves with. Yet the vault doors still stand? I am guessing that there's some enchantment or something on the doors that keep away the ghosts, else they would have already smashed their heads against it.
I don't think it is saying they wanted to die by Valyrian steel or even that VS comprised all the weapons they impaled themselves on. I think they are unable to be slain with mortal weapons and so skewered themselves to get closer to their prey. Valyrian steel might actually be able to hurt and kill them, and resist being melted by them - I would bet money on it desu.
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>>6398682
Lets check on the Expedition
Current death count : 1 brutal death revealing another danger of Valyria
Current Loot list :
- Valyrian steel dagger
- Knowledge of Maznareon family (name, level of glory, house words/password ? "Salt, Sulfur, and Skulls", symbol : human skull with two dragons)
- Jewelry made of fine gold, Dragon bone, and polished stones
- a dress of silk finer than anything you had ever seen.
- a skull, warped to be elongated in the back of the skull and possessing only sharp teeth that were not sharpened but natural that had been covered in silver with High Valyrian etched into it.
- Heavy set of Valyrian steel doors (need to take out somehow)
- Valyrian Steel Tower Shield
- Fully made Valyrian Steel Sword-Spear
- Collection of coins and plates and dishes made of precious metals, all decorated works of art.
Clues of Tommen expedition remnants
- Ancient armors and skeletons
- Horryfying journal revealing other dangers and useful interesting info
- Confirmation Tommen was becoming more mad and has gone to Valyria City (hell), Confirmation Tommen has sent other Lannister men to die in Aquos Dhaen (hell2)
This is not bad at all honestly for a start, all of this loot and information is wonderful already. On our side it really does help we have some smart people, and that we are a smaller size expedition. But staying even a night on land seems very dangerous and any human made activity sounds like it attracts dangers, like a lot of it. The journal hints about this : the Westernlander ancient noble talking to the journal is steadingly and clearly depressed, horrified and losing morale while going about his tasks in the manse. Tommen also ordered him to make a full on outpost here. And that sounds like noticeable, loud work. And this journal is a total of just 9 days (at least the readable pages). Thats not a lot of time.
Also what a sorry fate for that ancient Jason. Bone chilling for today Jason to read his own name lol.
>>6398688
>Attempt to use your knowledge of magic to try and open the vault door
>Other?
>Maintain general silence, keep sentries in other near rooms of the manse on guard, and discuss briefly the info of the journal with our companions before try to open the door
>Other?
>If all magical means for open the door fail, recite a prayer to the Seven, then say the Maznareon house words in Valyrian slowly near the door "Salt, Sulfur, and Skulls"
Might has well try while keeping the best silence we can make. This ancient Lannister outpost died for many reasons, not being silent was one of them probably.
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>>6398890
Worse than actually. Tommen headed towards the capital directly. The only place I can imagine comparable to that hellscape would be the 13 volcanoes given all the warnings about those in particular and none of them are gonna be nearly as rich in blood magick plague due to population density.
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>>6398890
It is an important detail that the ash wights didn't start attacking until the expedition was here for a few days. I don't think we'll immediately be swarmed.
Also, the 7 hold no power in these lands. Would be more fruitful to pray to Balerion, Vhagar or Meraxes. Probably Meraxes is the kindest god at least judging from Rhaenys's personality.
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>>6398875
Wyrms, Ash wights and those dogs things seems killable but can create losses, heavy ones too. Maybe if we are smart in how we fight, we can make sure we end up just with being wounded instead of other deaths.
Worms are definetly killable but they act like swarms so I feel they are a dead sentence 100% if encountered in large numbers.
Kraken younglings sound killable, if still a danger. Adult Krakens are too dangerous. And we have not seen or read of anything else.
>>6398894
Good ol ancestor. Well at least he has given himself the worst dead, right in the capital. Small amount of justice for this madness. His brother probably died horrifically in Aquos Dhaen.
>>6398895
Perhaps by staying on the move, keeping silence and avoid making loud human activity we can avoid a bit longer some dangers. Stuff like acid, dragonglass, earthquakes etc... is still going to be there though.
I was thinking Jason would do it out of habit, but if he knows a prayer to Valyrian gods he could probably use one of those instead yeah.
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Say, if we some how make it through this portion of the expedition, can we send a letter to Bobby B and request for aid for an expedition to Valyria itself? Might make the expedition to to find Brightroar easier. Maybe we can even request Jaime to tag along.
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>>6398904
Although the king would certainly help, aid from Westeros would take weeks to arrive and months to set up. Not to mention the political issues it would cause. It is better we rely on ourselves even if a maester who has knowledge of metals and chemicals would be quite excellent.
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>>6398806
There is some things we need to check for this doors before considering to loot them :
- How feasible is to take them out of their current location
- How good are the Latterborn in coordinating for carry them
- How much sound would the doors make by being transported
- And calculate the exact distance/path between manse and our ship that the Latterborn would need to do for get the doors there
>>6398821
Lol
>TAKE THE DOOR AAAH
>Dies Horribly
Yeah is a tad foolish. But talking about it doesn't hurt. Acting on it would be very risky and thats the difference.
>>6398822
A lot of different stuff honestly .... could be anything at all. Should be all high quality, the best in art and craft, and of course rare and ancient. Potentially even multiple magical objects or with remnants of magic. Likely multiple objects with heavily symbolic/prestigious value to the family and maybe an honored dead (family founder with wife and dragons buried together type of stuff) ? And of course there is a small chance that something evil is trapped inside.
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>>6398881
>I would prefer high value low risk. Which means looting other expeditions of their shit and digging out intact ruins from the ash that were neatly preserved.
we are in agreement, then
>>6398890
we have supplies for a week or so anyway, we need to fuck off. personally I'd not spend more than a day in this place regardless
and stop it with the damn doors for the love of the Seven or I will send blood-wights to torment you in your sleep
>>6398901
prayer seems like it wouldn't hurt at this point. would it?
>>6398904
that would take a year minimum. no.
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>>6398883
Just to clarify, I was being literal. The entry states that they were grabbing dropped weapons or ripping them from fallen warriors so they could kill themselves, with their bodies being so hot that the weapons melted after enough use.
This was not made clear in the journal but you picked up on it, Valyrian steel weapons are not immune to the magical heat within these Ash Wraiths.
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>>6398913
Gonna be crushed under that door like a looney toons cartoon.
>>6398909
The door is magically locked for certain, we probably shouldn't try brute forcing it until it is open fully. But I think it is entirely possible to eventually take it with us, putting it onto the ship is an entirely different story tho.
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>>6398852
>If we want Brightroar, we sail to the coast of the capital and hope that the expedition died near the water. Going any deeper in is a death sentence
I have the feeling Tommen was the kind of man to order the fleet to beach on the shores even if heavily damaged by the jagged coastline, acid, winds, lava, sea, wyrms or krakens. And then move toward the capital on foot. The more we read about him the more he sounds mad.
>We should also leave some journal entry of our own or carve some writing onto the walls.
I was thinking of having Jason write a full book about the Latterborn expedition once it ends. With the thoughts and experiences of other Latterborns in it as well. And perhaps Jason comments on the remnants of past expeditions.
It would genuily sell like platinum plated hot cakes across the known world, while solidying forever in history this legendary achievement. We have friends in the Citadel so it should be easy enough to get multiple copies made, and sell them.
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>>6398918
Eh, if the vote comes up I will choose not to try and take the doors, but like they're the largest amount of Valyrian steel anyone has seen since the Doom. I bet it would take the entire gold supply of the Rock to actually procure that much Valyrian Steel.
It is just tempting. Not too realistic, but really tempting
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>>6398917
>Gonna be crushed under that door like a looney toons cartoon.
If it flattens us enough we can probably slip right under the next vault doors we come across and unlock them from the inside. It's a genius plan, gotta admit.
>>6398918
I think you're taking it just a little too seriously my friend. kek
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>>6398918
If we can take the Door we absolutely should. It's so much Valeryian steel.
Any expense to build a new forge is absolutely worth it to reforge the damned stuff into ingots.
But first we need the door open and brute force isn't it.
>>6398688
>Attempt to open it with our knowledge of magic.
If that fails
>Humphrey, the floor!
I think their house words are the way. But we can also use their ossified bones as a hand.
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>>6398923
It is funny, would be damn glorious tho. Jason "The Valyrian Gate" Lannister.
>>6398919
Also Tommen definitely had whatever insanity Cersei has. He lost a third of his fleet before entering Valyria, lost more on the first island, decided to SPLIT UP and sail directly to the capital. I bet he even decided to use those artificial canals that we are avoiding like the plague.
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>>6398928
I DONT BELIEVE YOU.
AT ALL.
THAT "ROUNDING ERROR" IS STILL WORTH MILLIONS, POSSIBLY BILLIONS!
I still want to take it, even if the sum collection of the vault is worth 300 times the value, I still want those big slabs of unbreakable money!
And they will make fine windbreakers against the dragon glass showers.
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>>6398934
Your objection is fear mongering and petty. We can manage moving it overland to the ships if we try. It just precludes going further inland.
Which I don't think we need too since tommand is headed for 2 other cities on other islands.
As another note, the dagger. It holds names, the door might need a name for who is opening it.
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>>6398910
>more than a day in this place regardless
I don't feel like making camp either. As in not even bothering to make a temporary one, for the time we stay here. I kinda want to get on the ships soon after failing to open this doors/if we open this doors.
>DOOOOR STUCK ! DOOOR
Its not fair that you all you got to talk about this doors before but I cant....
>prayer
Maybe. Maybe no. It could be a bad choice to invoke anything religious, but I am the only with that vote so its not gonna matter.
>>6398911
I will not take them but those questions are to be considered if anyone wants to try. Bare minimum really. I am probably not going to vote for take them if it comes to a vote. Dont stress over it.
>>6398917
I still feel is going to be a loud process and we cant afford sounds here. I think we are going to utterly fail at least 2 of the 4 questions i made about those doors. And thats too much danger in my opinion for try it.
>>6398924
Thanks, also i agree for Tyrion help in that.
>>6398932
There must be some liquid insanity going in the Lannister blood. Weird that it happens twice in recorded history. At least is less times than Targs. Incest?
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>>6398935
>jason just sitting staring at the door, fingers twitching
>"Hey are you okay?"
>"I bet this weighs 214 stone."
>"What?"
>"We could move that. Just need some rope..."
>"Someone grab the blockhead, he's doing that thing again!"
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>>6398936
petty is painstakingly dragging some slabs of steel along for however long when we could be waltzing back to the ships with part of whatever's inside the vault
have you considered, by the way, that the vault may be worth more to us in an operable state?
who knows what's in there?
maybe we will need several trips just to empty it, and in the meantime it's best if it stays closed as it has for however many years so far
anyway all this is moot if we don't manage to open the doors
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>>6398940
In this situation, we empty and reseal it until.the vault is empty, then measure the rate of erosion on the copper of the ships bottom, and if we have time we open it again and tear them.out and drag them.overland.
And if not, leave and return specifically to loot all this tucking hucking steel!
I'm not a retard who's ignoring the value IN the vault, I'm hungry to take everything AND the vault.
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>>6398936
A small correction, Tommen was heading directly to the capital, his brother another city. His brother definitely doesn't have brightroar but they might've found some loot that'll help us. That is a big "might" tho
About the vault doors, sulfur burns a pretty blue colour, some amount of blood sacrifice must be involved too because Valyrians love that stuff. Maybe we can find sulfur in the braziers?
>>6398937
Well Tywin's wife was his first cousin afaik, and medieval nobles love "purity" whatever that means. But 2 insane people in such a long line isn't that much (3 if you count joffrey). Are there any other insane Lannisters? Idk
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>>6398938
Lmao
>>6398947Likewise, I loved that in stalker the environment itself is a character of its own. Running to a shelter and hiding with all the other critters I would normally hunt really made the danger feel real. Valyria feels the same way, the entire land is inhuman and hostile, yet life finds a way even if it is strange and dangerous.I am excited to see what deeper sections have to offer even if the journey feels dangerous.
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>>6398951
>Why are all the gods such vicious cunts?
Indeed.
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>>6398954
Its enough to make an atheist.
Maybe this is just the Christian in me, but being unable to rely on your gods in a place like this really makes me wonder why you would bother at all.
If they aren't with you at your most dire, what value do they have anywhere.
>>6398955
Yeah, but the risk of incurring new divine wrath because we are in these lands is too high.
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>>6398959
Magic exists in this world, and priests of R'hllor even speak to their god. I think hating the gods might be a natural reaction but atheism is probably nonsensical in Planetos.
Hope we don't get cursed, and those first men runes will do some good.
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>>6398959
yeah it's the judaic component of your faith that is speaking through you
in this setting gods just are, it's not always possible to con them into doing what you want or bamboozle them into believing that you are observing their rules when you actually aren't
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I'll speak against trying to grab the doors, because that will take a LOT of time, and if we got lucky enough to not find some fuckass mutant monster on our way here, that means it's possible we will find something when the night comes. Nocturnal predators and shit
Not only that, if by walking we got caught in the Dragonglass storm, even if we're taking a door at a time with a sledge, we might get caught in more than one, specially if we need to make 2 trips for each door.
Too much energy and time wasted when we don't know if we can get them off easily. The vault itself might've been made completely with Valyrian steel and fitted into the structure/stone, and surely held in place with some ancient, masterclass engineering that will take days for Jason to even understand it (they molded stone with dragonfire, right? They might as well done the same with this shit). And of course, magic and curses, and the fact that because magic is almost dead in Westeros (or Jason wasn't able to properly tap into it), we don't have a certain way to protect ourselves before the curse starts shaping our skull and killing is as a punishment for trying to rob this ancient family vault.
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>>6398924
Another reason for making a book is that it could also be used to make renowned, over time, all Latterborns. Considering that Dara and his followers are not just after riches but also challenge, glory, and prestige, they would greatly appreciate this. It would also be a good way to honor the expedition's fallen. Besides making a statue for them.
Also, we should tell the expedition to keep an eye out for more Lannister journals. Their value has just skyrocketed in my eyes. Not just for using them in the book that I want Jason to write when the expedition ends, but also because it might help a lot in the expedition (like how it just helped us a lot right NOW).
>>6398946
Tommen's brother, part of the expedition that has gone to Aquos Dhaen, could have a journal of their own... same for the Tommen-led part that has gone to the capital. How tempting to have them both ...... But what Jason or Gerion might know of Tommen's brother actually? Something that would motivate them to go into the unknown and see the fate of this other ancestor of theirs (besides wanting the riches and knowledge he likely had found). Jason has made some prep studies before following behind his uncle, but would have Gerion read through ancient Lannister archives about his past ancestors while in Casterly Rock, preparing the expedition?
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>>6398979
Because he’s an NPC that is not mentioned in lore that I decided to add, I’ll give some details.
Tommen the second was king of the Rock, but he was not the eldest of his father’s sons. Typhos Hill was the first born of King Tommen the first, and his mother is not known for certain, with accounts listing a few options. The most popular are either a She-Bear from the north who Tommen had befriended while fighting the Ironborn, a Reaver woman who he had captured while at war with the Ironborn, or a Stormlander woman who had pretended to be a knight who aided Tommen the first, again, kill Ironborn.
Whoever his mother was, Typhos was born larger than most and stronger still, said to be over seven feet tall. He was quick to anger, held grudges easily, and showed no care for any other man save for his father and, famously, his younger brother Tommen II.
While the Scarred Lion earned his infamy fighting duels and tournies, and ravaging his father’s enemies, it was famously accounted by a traveling Bard that what little warmth was held in the Bastard’s heart was given completely to his younger brother Tommen II. Even his other siblings did not receive the same affection, with Typhos famously breaking the Jaw of Tommen the first’s second eldest lawful son.
Once Tommen the Second became king after the sudden death of his father, he and his bastard brother fought side by side and ruled, with Tommen II being the bright and noble King that all desired while Typhos ensured all still feared the King, as Tommen was not above using his brother to punish nobles who broke loyalty or angered him.
Eventually, King Tommen II would leave on his Ill fated expedition, taking his Brother with him and leaving his son to rule. Many blame Typhos for encouraging this expedition, but ultimately he too disappeared with Tommen.
However, his actions helped to keep the bannerman of the new King of the Rock in line, allowing Tommen’s son to grow into his role without fear.
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>>6398944
if we succeed and find that the dangers are survivable we can leave our uncle in charge of running an extensive salvage operation that could finance further exploration efforts, provide us with a source of steel and other valuables and make him rich in the process
it was his idea after all
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>>6398987
This Typhos sounds like a strong warrior. Definitely the kind of guy that can keep discipline going in that ill-fated expedition, and enforce it with an iron fist if needed. Then why did Tommen decide to separate? A request, maybe? Why would a loyal and military-minded brother like Typhos want to split in Aquos Dhaen, when Tommen is set for the capital? Already, there was a minor split by creating the Lannister Outpost at the Maznareon family manse. They sound like very connected brothers, and this change is intriguing. I want to know about it even more now.
Thank you for the lore!
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>>6398995
>Why would a loyal and military-minded brother like Typhos want to split in Aquos Dhaen, when Tommen is set for the capital?
Maybe he hoped that Thypos would think for his own good and leave? Sparing his most loyal sibling from the horrors? Maybe Tommen was not crazy enough to drag Typhos, and Typhos would stop him from achieving whatever goal he was looking for in the capital
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>>6398912
>Valyrian steel weapons are not immune to the magical heat within these Ash Wraiths.
Ok well I would not wanna lose this new swag in the furnace of some forsaken zombie's abdomen, so in that case I say we run like hell if we see them!
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>>6398946
>sulfur burns a pretty blue colour. Maybe we can find sulfur in the braziers?
>>6398879
>One of the corpses also had broken fingers. Which meant he either put his hand into the crevice and it crushed his hand
>Sulfur is, well, probably fucking everywhere at this point. Grab a handful of the ash from outdoors
Okay, so in recap...
Vault Door:
~ Maznareon Crest is dragons + skulls
~ The vault writing says "Salt, Sulfur, and Skulls"
~ The door needs a hand, but if you do it wrong it will crush yours
~ We have the elongated silver toothed skull (and the inscription on it), the dagger that they used for the firepit ritual, dragon bones / egg shells, possibly salt from Jason's bag, possibly sulfur from outside OR the braziers if they burn blue, skulls of the dead Maznareon family members, Jason's high purity blood OR Asha's blood since she's an Ironborn and thus salt is practically in her DNA.
~ The ghosts can melt Valyrian Steel
Knowing that, how does this sound for a plan?
Obviously we read the the skull says first.
Next, we use the ritual dagger to draw blood from Asha AND Jason. Maybe while they kiss. Next, we use a dragon egg shell as a bowl and pour the blood into it. We find sulfur from either the braziers or the ash and then mix that into the blood. We throw some skulls into the blood (dragon and/or human). We take salt from somewhere (or unnecessary due to Asha's blood?) and mix that into the blood potion. We start heating the stuff over a fire in the firepit. We dunk the elongated skull into the boiling blood potion and then pull it back out. Jason coats his hand in the blood, then places it into the slot whilst he reads the inscription of the skull out loud. Hopefully that will unlock the vault door.
If that doesn't work, someone stays by the vault door past sunset. If the ghosts appear, see if they either stay away from the door due to magic, or if they suicide into it upon seeing it.
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>>6399074
We must consider that the magic of Old Valyria is Blood and Fire magic. The skull is certainly a component in the ritual but I honestly don't know how we would use it.
I think whatever the ritual is it might involve a sulphur fire. This house I believe might have been a house of Pyromancers instead of those more involved with Blood Magic. Not every source of magic is blood. There was a firemage in Qarth when Dany was with Quaith who made a ladder out of flames.
Although there isn't too much proof, it is a possibility.
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>>6399074
Nah we ain't tryina use them fuckin fire boys to try and melt the steel beams. It's probably that they just didn't notice the dudes hiding in the manse, not that they can't get in or go near the door. If they're trying to kill themselves they'd first go after the people (us and our entourage) holding weapons before they'd try to brain themselves on a door. If they'd even try at all. Otherwise every building here would have been melted to slag as they tried to beat their heads in on the walls.
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>>6399096
Regular stone and metal won't kill the ghosts, that's why they didn't bother. They're looking for Valarian Steel to kill themselves with. Maybe bone as an alternative. The buildings are not made 100% out of magic metal. It's just the vault door.
I'm just suspicious of why the ghosts have never touched the door in over 200 years. You'd think they would have suicided into it by now... yet they didn't.
So it's either because they didn't find it, or because the door repels them. I'm leaning towards the latter because the ghosts knew that Lannister troops with VSteel weapons were here in the manse somewhere, but never melted these bodies.
Even if it was just a single person who stayed here after sunset, it'd still be a suicidal risk, thus not viable, but I still wonder if it'd be possible to use the worms to melt the door.
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>>6399106
>Though, none of us will make it to sundown. We are not alone. Shapes in the dark came, men and women and children, glowing red eyes and leaking the fire wyrms from their bodies. They charged our position, coming from the city. They threw themselves on our blades, literally. They fought not seeking to kill us, but to seemingly die on our blades. When they would overwhelm a man, they would take his weapons and kill themselves. The blades burned and heated on their blood until they melted, then they would tear at the man, seeking to use his armor to bluegeon themselves, and eventually his bones to carve themselves open and unleash the wyrms within their body and fall over, any man unfortunate to fall dying by fire and their feral claws.
They tried to kill themselves by any means necessary, but only in relation to the men themselves. It's probably a curse or the little fucking worms in them causing them to do it. Presumably to spread the wiggling shits inside of them onto fresh meat. And they were getting put down by regular weapons, just that their corpses didn't remain come sun up. "normal" means can certainly "kill" them. Hence if they wanted to simply die come night they'd be jumping into the sea to drown or caving their skulls in with debris. It's not so simple as that. I don't think they want to die per se, they just want the parasites out and need fresh flesh to lure them.
Or, it's just a curse. Fuck if I know.
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>>6399138
Blood curse magick plague based on the symptoms and descriptions. Note how it's contagious and they explicitly ignored other means of killing themselves? Instead their suicidal frenzy of attacks to infect the expedition and somehow tracking down normal humans too for that matter. Its why infected Lannister troops has to be mercy killed before they also got turned into those things.
According to Aerea Targaryen wiki the only treatment that helps is ICE. Apparently the cold kills the chimeric blood worms digging inside them. So we want saltpeter to make ice from our stored water supplies. It MIGHT save someone if they get hit and we treat it in time.
I'm more worried about how they were able to venture out from the city and target the expedition so explicitly over so great a distance. Only hint we got is that it has to do with the dark.
>>6399074
Be careful with fucking with Asha's blood especially with Valyrian blood magick specialty. Ironborn are specifically blessed by the Deep Ones and not just the Merlings. Jason's blood is of Lann that has ancient history but not the kind of oh fucked level goddamned cursed implications that Asha has. Fucking with Asha's blood with blood magick is begging for some deep horrors to come crawling out of the depths to fuck you. Especially here of all places.
>>6398994
It certainly explains where Jason's taste in women comes from.
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>>6399217
>one moment.
It starts with one.
>>6399225
>According to Aerea Targaryen wiki the only treatment that helps is ICE. Apparently the cold kills the chimeric blood worms digging inside them. So we want saltpeter to make ice from our stored water supplies. It MIGHT save someone if they get hit and we treat it in time.
Unfortunately we wouldn't know that since it was from Barth's little book of HERESY and it was thoroughly purged from Westeros. Since I also doubt Jason had gotten his hands on any of Barth's personal correspondence either. I'm less concerned with the logistics of fighting them and more concerned with how they could possibly be still moving. It can't just be the worms piloting them, they wouldn't be coordinated or intelligent enough for that to perform such complex maneuvers as necessary for human limbs and digits to function. These could be the remains of Valyrians that are cursed to live forever in torment.
Or more sinisterly, there is some sort of magical being here that animates these husks with dark spells. In which case we have a gigantic fucking problem. That would mean an intelligent THING with incredible sorcerous might has decided the ruins of Valyria is its kingdom. And it doesn't want visitors.
But that could just be the schizo in me.
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>>6399254
The fact that there's still a body for the worm to pilot is more alarming. We don't know if they're hot or just corrosive to the touch, but whatever they have on their mouth surely is
Maybe it moves by making micro-hiveminds everytime they make a nest in a body, and they control it. I can also see it as the worms being a living catalyst for a sorcerer's dark magic to control the bodies
Or maybe are the ash wights or whatever other anons mentioned before (the shadowy creatures that stalked the Lannister troop), that don't directly control them but are able to summon/direct. But the fact that the next morning they disappeared also makes them seem like their existence it magical (at least of the zombie ones. We've only met bodies infected by them, BUT, not reanimated like zombies)
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>>6399255
I would assume they are just hot and try to enter the body the traditional way, biting and ripping and burning through flesh or crawling into open wounds/orifices. But their bodies are definitely at least somewhat resistant to corrosion since they tried to swim into our boat. They're certainly drawn to organic matter, seemingly of any kind given they tore through the arrow Dara shot into the kraken corpse. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't also living acid gummies. But they adamantly refuse to exist outside of some host. Presumably because they can't keep it hot enough anywhere else to their liking. Or because that is just their prerogative as parasites. Which is a small blessing, since it means we don't have to deal with goddamn WORMTIDES rolling across the land.
I don't know which idea i hate more, that the worms can think when you get enough of them together in a corpse or that something is wiggling it's grubby little magic fingers at them and telling them where to go kek
We're certainly dealing with wights of some description. Just not the same kind that the Others use. And probably ghosts as well. Man fuck I hope the demons here aren't also sorcerers and are instead just mean motherfuckers with horns and oil for blood or whatever the fuck bullshit they have going on.
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>>6399254
Depends on if the Mad Mad was based and Mad enough to give us a look into such a book. Wouldn't put it past her given how 'close' we became that Asha grew paranoid enough to kidnap Jason over it.
The worms are some kind of chimeric abomination formed from blood magick and a plague of likely divine origin. Very nasty and potent stuff that apparently loses a lot of potency upon leaving Valaryia but still lethal to its hosts.
I suspect demons are the ones directing them given how they are able to locate and coordinate similar to the Others. Think about it, how the fuck were they able to find a small expedition outpost days away from the nearest city? Why are they limited to darkness? What happens to their bodies?
Plus we haven't found any traces of demons yet despite other failed expedition survivors having seen them. Only hints is the ones seen were some kind of hellfire variety believed to have crawled up from hell when the volcanoes went BOOM during the DOOM and they were able to crawl up directly from hell according to the theories that went around about them from the failed expeditions.
>>6399255
They actively form nests and cannibalize their hosts when their 'done' with them which we saw on the ships coming in. Apparently that is what their 'hives' are made of. There is also some kind of infestation as well as some other plagues and divine curses floating around as well. Not just those things.
What's alarming is those ship nests were formed along the perimeter of Valyria, meaning they KNOW whenever something comes in OR out. That is no coincidence. They also infest their hosts and use them as weapons to infect others and can cannibalize them as raw building materials. Which I suspect is likely what happened to the 'corpses' that they failed to leave behind.
>>6399261
Don't forget whatever big ass flying fuck off abominations that can takedown dragons are about somewhere. I don't think the wights themselves are intelligent I suspect the case is different for the Hives or those directing them. Not to mention we still haven't seen anything about the demons besides the failed expeditions describing them as some kind of hellspawn. I think the lack of magic currently limits their activity range. Which is why we haven't glimpsed any of them yet or they might operate under specific rules like the wights who seem limited to population centers, nightfall, and whatever alerts them to 'prey'.
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>>6399268
I think it's less that they "know" and more that they're limited to the smoking sea. And that, as such, there was a slow buildup of ships that got in and immediately fell victim to shipworm, which then made it easier for the next one, resulting in a domino effect. Reverse survivorship bias.
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>>6399268
>Depends on if the Mad Mad was based and Mad enough to give us a look into such a book.
No I mean that those books don't exist in Westeros any more. Only the errant fragment of the information in them. The only person I could see having even a partial copy would be Marwyn cause that guy gets around and is of astounding means. But considering Jason's uncomprehension of the first encounter with the creepy crawlies we can infer that Jason does not know what the hell these things might be. You can blame Baelor the Blessed for that lack of critical information.
Maybe if we come across some demons we can challenge them to a musical instrument contest to get away.
>Don't forget whatever big ass flying fuck off abominations that can takedown dragons are about somewhere.
Not necessarily. Balerion might have been wounded after he'd landed. And that is a safe assumption given Aerea came back on top of him. Had there been an intense combat in the air she probably would have fallen off considering she was not an experienced rider. That makes more sense to me anyway. Especially since if there were beasts that could fly around here they'd probably spread. Or at least try to. Though there may have been wyverns that were twisted by the doom that can no longer make long flights but short fitful ones still. It's always possible.
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>>6399322
So you did. Whoops. I must have forgotten that. I think that what happened to Aerea was either in Barth or Benifer's private correspondence or in the book about Unnatural History. But I don't remember if it is ever specified if he actually wrote it down to publish or if he just trauma dumped on people in letters. But he did tell someone about what happened to Aerea in some amount of detail.
>>6399268
I apologize for being stupid and dumb and wrong lmao
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So in terms of danger, we've got the:
Worms, Acid Water, Toxic Fumes, Glass Wind, Krakens (and other Mutant Monsters), Worm Zombies, Jagged Coastline, Magic Curses, Stone Men, and potentially Demons.
This place is worse than hell. Even the fucking Others would be scared here.
>>6399221
Should we roll or something to determine if Jason has any degree of success?
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>>6399328
Don't forget acid rain is likely with all the steam/gases vented constantly and acidic fog too rolling around. Normal weather is just ash falling apparently but we have also encountered razor winds and micro glass shard fumes. There is also the plagues, hives, and infestation.
>>6399322
Based mad maid. Honorary Auntie material right there.
>>6399314
SOMETHING killed ALL the dragons in Valyria which are noted for having immense fire resistance only beaten by firewyrms themselves because those fuckers literally swim through magma and dwell directly in volcanoes. Something fucked up Balerion so bad and so hard it fled all the way back to Westeros and wasn't fully healed by then.
Something is here that can and will easily takedown the biggest and baddest flying dragons that Valyria has to offer. Driving them to extinction during the Doom.
Also I completely forgot the demons could be wise enough to not be immediately hostile. Oh fuck not sure which is worse now. Imagine stumbling upon a demon that was interested in a 'chat' or striking a deal of some kind?
>>6399323
He wrote it about in two specific texts. One was the banned medical text from the Church about the condition/treatment and the other was also forbidden about unnatural history. Both were supposed to have been sealed and destroyed by the Targs. As they went into detail about what Aerea went through medically and what she confessed upon seeing on her deathbed. The Unnatural History one is more well known because it got leaked further.
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>>6399322
Looking through the wiki looks like the Mad Maid did let us read those books. As the Unnatural History was written as a direct result of what happened to the princess when the two who did the treatment began delving into the topic of research. So Jason does likely have a very good idea what those things are. He won't know their exact origins depending on how much he knows about Valyrian blood magick, chimeric abominations, and divine curses/plagues, though but he could definitely make some educated guesses.
Especially since the Targs did their best to cover it up and built the dragon pits as a direct result. I wonder if the Mad Maid had copies of their other writings or medical records from it.
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>>6399328
Don't forget that the air stinks. That might be the worst part of all this.
>>6399332
>SOMETHING killed ALL the dragons in Valyria which are noted for having immense fire resistance
Yeah, the volcanoes exploding did it. Straight up that's what killed them. They either got turned to mulch on the inside by the shockwave, flattened by debris, choked out by ash and smog, or buried until they died of hunger. Like man this was an explosion that shattered a landmass the size of a country. It was BAD. Half of the land that was stable was either sunk of blasted clean into the air and out into the sea. Shit was like Yellowstone popping off.
What little that had the bad luck of surviving couldn't leave because of the conditions in the air and the sea. And THEN they got slapped with curses and blights. You don't even need the nasty scary shit considering it was 14 whole volcanoes exploding. Like dragons are tough, yeah, but they get felled by spears and bows and siege weapons all the time, they aren't THAT tough. They're not invulnerable killing machines. Just regular killing machines kek.
Balerion just happened to be the baddest motherfucker by the time he got here. There is certainly some horribly mutated monster around in the past couple centuries and potentially now, but that never means they could fly. It's just assumed because Balerion could fly. He could have been ambushed by something hiding under the ash. Who knows. I don't want to find out though.
Always remember, when the freaky supernatural magical monster man asks you for your firstborn, you say NO. lmao
>medical text
I don't remember a specified treatise about curing whatever the fuck was going on with Aerea. My fault I guess.
>>6399337
Bruh why're you trying to kill our uncle? kek Besides, what makes you think he'll ever be willing to come back here after all is said and done?
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>>6399225
The blood worms have some magical hive connected and enhanced sensors. And they can specifically identify whats alive (fish, kraken, human) or not (a rock, dragonglass wind, acid rain, lava, a large wave hitting a beach etc...). They just need one worm finding out a prey, and then the rest reply to their wi-fi magic hive and get to that worm. Then they can swarm their chosen prey/s. It would make sense.
Also maybe the sunlight annoys them ? They are evil creatures, disliking the sun and being aligned with darkness sound very natural.
>>6399328
We have yet to deal with an earthquake, the other problems the sea has, or fire and lava. The ash and micro dragonglass is also a silent killer for supplies/if you dont have your mouth/eyes/ears covered. There could be worse stuff around too.
I think the quest is narrative centric instead of using rolls. So far we haven't done them, unlikely we will do them.
>>6399332
>Imagine stumbling upon a demon that was interested in a 'chat' or striking a deal of some kind?
Time to GTFO if it happens. Because it has something extra evil in store if it and its buddies are not attacking immediately upon contact, butchering and torturing a bunch of humans they havent seen in a while seems a no brainer. Like you just know your death will be nightmarish eitherway so might as well try GTFO and avoid whatever shit it prepared.
>>6399337
>outpost
Did you see how this ideal outpost lasted in the past ? A few days, of constant losses of attrition and fighting (+ any undocumented disertions and suicides). And this place was probably garrisoned by more than a few dozen men.
The lesson learned is clear : anyone that goes in Valyria on the future with an expedition needs to stay on the move with their ships. Or at best make temporary camps. There can be nothing stationary made by humans in this lands. Also future expeditions are either to our level of skill, or this just become feeding Valyria monstrosities costly humans box lunches. Instructions and correct equipment help only so much.
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>>6399370
that's the genius of it
the vault is fine, lasted all these many years
you empty it of whatever's in there, fill it up with supplies, whoever's nuts enough to risk their lives now has a resupply point (open mon-fri during normal business hours, we reserve the right to select our customers, terms and conditions may apply on any purchases)
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>>6399382
So who is going to restock the place? And who is going to do whatever gonzo-ass ritual is needed to open the doors? And how are we gonna stop whoever saw them do it, from telling other people how to do it? But most importantly what happens when something catches wind of the fact that juicy meatbags seem to always show up around this place and they decide to nest there?
I dunno man I think we should just steal the door.
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>>6399382
The vault is one room that took us a while to find in a large manse, said room we have yet to know how large it is just that it has one safe entrance. But we do know this manse was attacked before just fine by monsters, the ancient skeletons and wargear of past Lannisters make this clear.
No one in their right mind would want to stay closed up inside a room of this doomed manse. They would go insane even if they are playing sellers with whoever wants to resupply at one of the nearest piece of land (said resupply point still need to be reached by land and then by moving inside the manse to reach this door).
It really sounds to me more like a lunch bell location for valyrian monstrosities since they will be able to see regulary, Latterborn stationed (unless they are going insane by blocking themselves inside the vault door) here doing outpost human activity and other expeditions human activity. The way you want those practices to be sound not very friendly to other expeditions coming here. Some of them might leave or get angry about it. A recipe for disaster for the Latterborn rep and gains.
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>>6399388
Make Sandor write the book. While he's drunk. We dictate. It'll be the funniest book imaginable. And the most childish.
I'm gonna be real though, I don't want to reveal the secrets of this cursed land. Just in case some fuckass wiiiizzzzuurrrrd manages to get his hands on some dank magic from Valyria and starts fucking things up everywhere forever. Some things are better left buried.
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>>6399389
Nah, fuck that.We need all the advantage we can get in preparation for the long night.Any magic we find we learn and use. Magic is returning, and if we don't have it as an ally it will end up badly for us. We plunder every bit of knowledge we can have and take it with us.
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>>6399389
History needs to know of our legend.
An evil wizard is likely to get a Tommen end, Jason will write "this places where magic is present, are the ones most dangerous and filled by monsters" and those guys will throw themselves at those places regulary and die. Like flies to crap. In a way we would clean up the world. Or feed valyrian monstrosities human box lunches. Both ?
Alternatively we can just write a book for Lannister only eyes. If someone of our dynasty wants to give it a try because they want to follow what we did, they have instructions.
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>>6399390
No, anon. I do not wish to visit Tyrion in the future some day and have some moron crossbred elephants with basilisks. That does in fact sound like a really bad idea. I do not wish to be chilling in Casterly Rock because some novelty maegi who was brought to King's Landing unleashed a blood plague that is sweeping across the land. I do not wish to have some guy be really pissed off we brought blood magic that should be dead back to the world and get Faceless Men hired to put us in the forever box.
There are only two kinds of spells of any value to me, those being the shaping of dragonstone and the forging of valyrian steel. And I know we ain't getting neither of them lmao. Even those two are probably cursed arts full of blood magic. But at least they aren't the diabolical bullshit of some of the other Valyrian magics.
>>6399392
>thinking a wizza don't got minions to go and find things for him
Shiiiieeeeeettt.
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>>6399396
but it's perfect, don't you see?
dumbass adventurers will detect magic by facerolling in it and if they survive they will bring back their tales (that they can't contextualize) and if they're super lucky artifacts (which they likely can't use)
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>>6399393
There will already be people in the world capable of doing magic like that we will have to be similarly equipped to deal with. We must learn and be capable of the one tool that will give us immense defensive and offensive options in the future.
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>>6399409
I bet it just ends up looking like a Brachiosaurus